B.E.Kesler remained in Southeastern Missouri until 1938, when he and his wife Lulu moved to Goshen, IN. There was a Dunkard Brethren congregation at New Madrid. Some of the members continued to live near Farrenburg. The Eby family moved from Farrenburg to the West Fulton, OH congregation, near Wauseon, OH. Members of the Eby family are still at West Fulton. When the Keslers moved to Goshen, IN there was a large congregation there. That had been one of the early congregations organized soon after the separation meeting at Plevna, IN. Milton Cook

I think it was near Popular Bluff, but that was not its name. I stopped there, and from there they took (or sent) me to New Madrid - to see the Civil War site of "Island Number 10" - and as the center of the earthquake. That was a long time ago (1963) - I don't remember for sure. Minister John Tanner (Danner?) moved to New Madrid in 1813-1814 from Boone County KY (near Cincinnati) where he had lost a son to the Indians. Got there just in time for the Earthquake, so in 1818 he moved to Cape Girardeau. Some question whether he was a Brethren or a Baptist minister (we were the Baptist Brethren back then - not yet German Baptist Brethren). Merle C Rummel > Can someone please tell me what congregation it may have been in New Madrid county, Missouri that was formed in 1886. "Bro. S. A. Honberger, of Barnard, Mo., goes to New Madrid county, to take charge of the church recently organized at that place." (GM Vol. 25, No. 10, p. 152) > >

The congregation in New Madrid Co, Mo was at first called LaForge but later Farrenburg. It was the home of Elder B.E.Kesler of Dunkard Brethren connection. The congregation was inactive after he left in 1926, but was revived in 1938. >From A History Of The Church of the Brethren in the District of Southern Missori and Arkansas, by Earl Harvey, 1964. Milton Cook

I would like to call this to your attention. The statement about John Bower is not accurate. John Ludwig Bower Sr. 1763-1851 and his wife Christina Fries c1774-1840 moved from PA to Muhlenburg County KY after the birth of their daughter Mary in c1796 and remained there until c1812 when they moved to Clay Township, Montgomery County OH where both died and are buried in the Worman Cemetery a mile or so south of Phillipsburg. They were clearly a Dunker family from the marriages of most of their children and the fact that the namesake son John Ludwig Jr. 1800-1879 was a Brethren Elder. Gale ----- Original Message ----- From: "Merle C Rummel" <cliff@rtkonline.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Muhlenberg County KY Churches Eller, David Barry The Brethren in the Western Ohio Valley 1790-1850: German Baptist Settlement and Frontier Accommodation, 1976, PhD Dissertation, Miami University, Oxford OH: p86 The only other clearly identifiable Dunker name on Francis Stump's will is John Bower (Bowers) who signed as a witness. He was apparently from Manheim Township, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, and lived near Stump in Bullskin Township, Fayette County, Pennsylvania, before moving to the Green River country sometime before 1798...In October 1810 he sold his land on Talbots Branch of Clifty and moved to the Brethren settlement in Shelby County...son, Jacob Brower . . .Hazel Creek Baptist Church, 1812

Thank you. Just another example of how oral family history Can change some of the details over the years, I suppose! I have passed this on to the family members. Grateful, Diane K -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of m.cook1@juno.com Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 9:33 PM To: Brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRE] B.E.Kesler B.E.Kesler remained in Southeastern Missouri until 1938, when he and his wife Lulu moved to Goshen, IN. There was a Dunkard Brethren congregation at New Madrid. Some of the members continued to live near Farrenburg. The Eby family moved from Farrenburg to the West Fulton, OH congregation, near Wauseon, OH. Members of the Eby family are still at West Fulton. When the Keslers moved to Goshen, IN there was a large congregation there. That had been one of the early congregations organized soon after the separation meeting at Plevna, IN. Milton Cook ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.9/1291 - Release Date: 2/21/2008 11:05 AM

Evening List, For your reading pleasure. Wayne Webb Editor: Brethren Roots OBSERVATIONS. By Samuel Murray. I have been confined to my room for five weeks, and am quite weak, physically, but the mind is busy. It is impossible for the intelligent mind to be idle. I have been taking a review of the Salimony church, for the last twenty years, when the Brethren placed the responsibility of housekeeping upon me, which was accepted with a great deal of reluctance. For some years we had dark clouds hanging over us, and they seemed to stay a good while, but finally all passed away. Now, dear brethren, let us rejoice and praise the Lord for the glorious sunshine which he has given us, under which the church has prospered so abundantly. Let us labor to be of one mind and judgment, and work together in harmony, and surely the Lord will bless our work. I have thought that we have not done as much for the missionary cause, as we should have done. If there is any blame, I think it rests on me and my co-laborers, for not urging it upon our members. I think, when our dear brethren and sisters learn the reason, they will excuse us. We badly needed another church-house in which to worship, and our old house needed repairing, and we had it to do ourselves. It is now done. Within five years the church has paid at least $5,000 for building and repairing. Besides that, a very heavy tax was levied on all tax-payers, for building gravel roads, bridges, etc. Hence I felt delicate about urging the members. We hope we will soon be able to do better than we have in the past. Some have said to me, "You have such a large church; you can build and do almost as you please." I am very glad that we have now three hundred members. I am also glad that we have one family with six members (father, mother, three daughters, and one son), others with four, and some with three. I think that is just as it should be. We bless the Lord for it! It so happens that we have a great many poor members, who have all they can do to take care of themselves; a goodly number that have to have help. It sometimes happens, that those who have much, are but little help to the church, or the cause of Christ. It makes me shudder to think of what the Savior says in regard to the rich entering into the kingdom of heaven. I know we have some as charitable members in the Salimony church, as can be found any where. I am sorry-to know that there are exceptions. God bless the Salimony church! The MESSENGER comes regularly. It is indeed a welcome visitor. Oh, how anxious we are for the church news! Dear brethren and sisters, I ask in the name of all that is good, quit one thing, when you give the report of a good meeting. That such a one did the preaching, is all right. Do not say that he is a "powerful preacher," or "he is the right man," or, "if we only had more such." Don't you know that you are doing that brother an injury? Oh, just think how many brethren have been spoiled and ruined by such uncalled for praise. We are very glad that we have able ministers in the church, who are willing to spend, and be spent for the cause of Christ, and the building up of the church. We should encourage them all we can, not only with our prayers, but also with means for the support of their families. We should not say or do anything to exalt them. We should not throw any temptation in their way. They have enough of that to contend with, without our throwing some more in the way. I could name quite a number of brethren, who were ruined in just that way. I remember, when I was young, an old elder, in speaking of another old elder, said to me, "He is spoiled; he did not spoil himself; we spoiled him." Oh, just think, how many brethren have been spoiled! Oh, brethren and sisters, let us be careful, and not help to spoil our useful brethren! We need them, and the Lord wants them. River, Ind.

Merle, Knowing what we know of Francis Stump; it is likely that his wife was a daughter of Eld. George Adam Martin. Or at least Austin Cooper relates this and I believe it as well. I will also postulate that it was Eld. Martin who raised him to the ministry and perhaps was at Francis Stump's ordination as well. And then we know of the connection between William Knepper of the Ship Allen and George Adam Martin. Don't forget that George Adam is reported as having arrived in 1729. Wayne Webb Editor: Brethren Roots ----- Original Message ----- > p86 (footnote #11 --Rachael Stump Kimmel's maiden name was Martin, as > proven by a deed made August 13, 1810 wherein the heirs of "Rachael > Kimmel, formerly Rachael Stump, formerly Rachael Martin, deceased" ..The > heirs included John Vought, and wife Elizabeth; Gilbert Vaught, and wife > Mary; and Barbara Frampton. It is assumed that these female heirs were > the daughters of Francis Stump... According to tradition, Gilbert Vaught > was a minister at the Hazel Creek Baptist Church...a son for Francis > Stump. This son may have been Frederick Stump, who was cruelly murdered > in 1799 while fishing in the Green River...This murder was probably > committed by the infamous Harp brothers.

Evening List, One for your reading pleasure. Please take note that the last entry contains information not available in material of today with the congregations mentioned being "new" to history. Wayne Webb Editor: Brethren Roots Notes from our Correspondents. - Sister Catharine Eisenbise, of Morrill, Kan., wants to recommend Dr. Snyder's Kidney Balsam. She has tried it, and thinks it is a blessing to humanity. --From Bro. F. M. Day we learn that Bro. David Brower held a series of meetings in the Damascus school-house, Clackamas Co., Ore., commencing Jan. 28. There was good attendance and excellent interest. --Sister Emma Westfall, of Zionville, Hamilton Co., Kan., has been distributing the MESSENGER and the tract, "The House We Live In," and the people in her locality want to hear the Brethren preach. She says they are much interested in the doctrine. Who will fill this call? --Bro. Hiram Hylton, of Littlesburg, Mercer Co., W. Va., says there is a little band of about twenty members living at that place. They are without a minister. They rejoice to read the good news in the MESSENGER, of sinners coming to Christ, and they would like it very much if some of the brethren would come and preach for them. Cannot our brethren in Virginia fill this call ? -Bro. Henry Stuckly, of Garret, Ind., writes that he held a series of meetings at North Butler, Ind. The meetings were well-attended, and some good impressions were made. While at this place Bro. S. was called to the bedside of a sick man who desired to be baptized, but he was too weak, and died without attending to the ordinance. Another warning that it is dangerous to neglect the one thing needful. -Brethren Burwick and Tinkel, of Landess, Ind., visited the Brethren near Sycamore, Howard Co., Ind., Jan. 14, and preached for them in the Honey Creek school-house until the 16th. The house was crowded. The Brethren will build a meeting-house the coming summer. So reports Bro. S. L. Burwick. -Bro. Jacob Royer, of Essex, Iowa, reports an interesting series of meetings held in the Center school-house, two miles west of Essex, by Bro. Isaac Barto. He preached eleven sermons. The meetings were full of interest, and some are seemingly counting the cost. Hope they will unite with the people of God. . --From the Maple Valley church, Aurelia, Iowa, Bro. Wm. Leonard reports that Bro. Joseph Trostle held a few meetings for them, commencing Dec. 25. Two were baptized. Bro. Joseph Myers commenced meetings for them Jan. 11, and preached seven sermons. The Brethren were richly instructed and much encouraged. -Sister Mollie Keiser, . of the Vermillion church, Ill., writes that Bro. C. S. Holsinger preached seven sermons for them, commencing Jan. 25. The meetings were largely attended, the interest good and the order excellent. They have a large Sunday-school. They expected to hold another series of meetings the last of February. -We have a letter from Bro. Noah Long, of Frontier, Mich., which has been overlooked. He gives an account of a visit, in company with his wife, to Indiana, during which time they attended a number of love-feasts. We beg Bro. Long's pardon for the oversight in not referring to his letter sooner, and are sorry it escaped our notice. -From sister Lizzie VanScoyk we learn that a series of meetings was held in the Lower Miami church, O., beginning Dec. 28, and closing Jan. 12. Brethren Henry Gump and Samuel Coppock commenced the meetings, and afterwards the ministers in the neighboring churches carried them forward. The church was much encouraged. ---Bro. S. F. Sanger, of Bridgewater, Va., commenced a series of meetings in the Elk Run church, Augusta Co., Va., Feb. 5, continuing until the 16th. The attendance increased until the close, and good attention was paid to the word. Many were deeply impressed with the importance of coining to Christ. Four were added to the church by baptism. So reports Bro. R. F. Mowbray. -Bro. W. Hutchison sends us an account of his visit to Ohio. He met with the Brethren in Wyandot county on Christmas day, and commenced meetings. He found the church somewhat divided, but by his Labors, and with the Spirit of the Lord working with them, they were seemingly united when he left them, Jan. 8. Bro. James McMillen has charge of the church. Bro. H. closes by thanking the Brethren for their kindness to him, and also has a pleasant word for the children, who, by their acts of kindness, endeared themselves to him. -Bro. Joseph A. Miller, of the Beaver Creek church, Rockingham Co., Va., reports that the church at that place is making some progress. He, in company with Bro. Levi Miller, visited Randolph Co., W. Va., in September, and preached at Becky's Creek three days; they baptized two persons, one aged seventy-eight and the other eighty-one years. There are fifteen members at this place, with one deacon and no minister. They visited another small band of members about fifteen miles from Becky's Creek. They number twenty-one, with one minister and three deacons From the latter place they went to Clover Creek, spent two days with the Brethren there, and then returned home. The traveling was all done on horseback. Bro. Miller again visited Becky's Creek in October, and remained eleven days, preaching the Word. Five were baptized, and five more promised to come on the next trip. Our Virginia brethren are doing a good deal of missionary work of this kind. May the Lord bless their labors!

Evening List, Can someone please tell me what congregation it may have been in New Madrid county, Missouri that was formed in 1886. "Bro. S. A. Honberger, of Barnard, Mo., goes to New Madrid county, to take charge of the church recently organized at that place." (GM Vol. 25, No. 10, p. 152) Wayne Webb Editor: Brethren Roots

B.E. Kesler and his wife LuLu moved to Goshen, Indiana where he founded a Dunkard Brethren church according to his descendants. I know his descendant's wife who still lives near Goshen. Diane Kerchner -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of m.cook1@juno.com Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 5:39 PM To: Brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRE] New Madrid Co, MO The congregation in New Madrid Co, Mo was at first called LaForge but later Farrenburg. It was the home of Elder B.E.Kesler of Dunkard Brethren connection. The congregation was inactive after he left in 1926, but was revived in 1938. >From A History Of The Church of the Brethren in the District of Southern Missori and Arkansas, by Earl Harvey, 1964. Milton Cook ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.9/1291 - Release Date: 2/21/2008 11:05 AM

Dwayne, Sorry about the transcription mistake. I should have typed "Marie Liesel Kalckglasser, wife of Christophel." I don't know how a someone would get Marie Liesel from Mariahlosel but my knowledge of German isn't real great so Brumbaugh's translation might be acceptable. It also may be that it's an assumption on his part. It does seem odd to me that he would turn one word into two words. I still suspect that this is some kind of affectionate nickname that Alexander Mack, Jr. had for Maria (Mack) Kalckglasser, who probably was a first cousin of his. If I remember my Spanish right, Miguelito is an affectionate or informal form of Miguel. I suspect that this may be a similar situation. David Myers On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:41:22 -0500 "Dwayne Wrightsman" <dwayne55@comcast.net> writes: > To David Myers, > > In your earlier post on Maria Mack you spelled the Brumbaugh entry > on page > 68 as Maria Leisel (e before i). I just looked at my first edition > Brumbaugh and see that he spelled it Liesel (i before e). Then I > looked > again at Alexander Mack Jr. and he spelled it (in German) as Lösel. > So we > have a total of three spellings: yours, Brumbaugh's, and Mack's. > > If these are second names and not surnames, Brumbaugh's spelling > would be > the same as Elizabeth in English. Mack's spelling would be the same > as > Nicolaus or Nicholas in English. Your Leisel is sometimes used as a > given > name but not as frequently as Liesel. I am now not as convinced > that the > name was a surname, especially in the context of Mack's entry of > Mariahlösel. However, I have not been able to find the word/name > Mariahlösel on the Internet. > > Dwayne Wrightsman > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams > mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This thread has fascinated me although I have no line here. PBS did a documentry on Mulenburg County, KY a few years ago. I remember they were concentrating on the mid-1800's forward and how the land was stripped for coal and how bad conditions were for the miners and townspeople alike. They used John Prine's "Take Me Back To Mulenburg County," as the theme music at the beginning and end. I do not remember if there was any reference to churches or the original settlers of the county, but I am sure someone could go to the PBS site and see if this will be repeated or is on video form for purchase, there should be a synopsis. Blessings, Janet Rogers

Dwayne, I think that you may be getting closer here. I don't see any indication from the German verbiage that Mariahlosel was Christophel's wife. My German-English dictionary says that Weib is a woman, not a wife, so this Mariahlosel may be a woman who is unrelated to Christophel. On the other hand, sein (German for his) might have been misread as swin so the phrase might be "and his Woman the [sh.]," which seems like an odd designation for someone like Alexander Mack, Jr. to use, but perhaps he did. David Myers On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:27:32 -0500 "Dwayne Wrightsman" <dwayne55@comcast.net> writes: > David, > > As a follow-up, there was a Marylis Lisley on the Ship Allen who was > a > daughter of Peter Lisley. There were other Lisley women, some of > them too > young to be listed. These Lisley women tended to become celibates > at > Ephrata and died there along with a number of Lisley men, including > their > father Peter. In looking through the list of the Ephrata members, I > cannot > find the daughter named Marylis, nor can I find the name of > Christopher > Kalcklöser with the other Kalcklöser men and women who lived and > died at > Ephrata. > > Dwayne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dwayne Wrightsman" <dwayne55@comcast.net> > To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 4:04 PM > Subject: Re: [BRE] Christophel Kalckglasser, m. Maria Mack > > > David, > > What Alexander Mack Jr. recorded in his list of deaths was (as > transcribed > in English): "Bro. Christopher Kalckloeser and his wife, the > sister." > (Source: The Day Book/Account Book of Alexander Mack, Jr. > (1712-1803), > Kutztown, The Pennsylvania German Society, 2004, p. 95. The > transcription > in German (p. 33) is much more interesting: "Br Christophel > Kalckglöser und > swin Weib die sh. Mariahlösel." This could explain the entry in > Brumbaugh. > > Do you suspect that there were two marriages: first, Maria Mack, > and > second, Maria Leisel, or that there were two Christopher > Kalckloesers? In > my opinion, Christopher was married to Maria Mack when they came > over on the > Ship Allen. I say this for two reasons. First there is the matter > of the > marriage record which we have uncovered. Second there was the > positioning > of the wives and other women on the Ship: Maria [nee Mack?] > Kalklieser was > next to Anna Margaret Mackin who in turn was next to Phillipina > Mackin (see > List A). I believe that all three of these Mack women were sisters, > although I don't know who their parents were. > > This Kalckglöser family is extremely difficult to figure out. If > you look > at Brumbaugh, p. 399, you will find a "Ludwig Kalckglaeser and wife" > in a > list of the early Conestoga Brethren. Their identities are > explained by no > one to my knowledge. Usually the men's names include Johann > Heinrich, > Christoffel, and Emmanuel.......but Ludwig?????? Who was he? > > Dwayne Wrightsman

Dwayne, Something makes me want to say that leisel, losel, etc. is a term of affection in German. It seems like I remember something along those lines but I searched for forms of that term in Google and couldn't find what I was looking for. My German-Elnglish dictionary has the following. liese -- soft, quiet, gentle. So that makes a certain amount of sense, but it's not proof by any means. David Myers On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:04:51 -0500 "Dwayne Wrightsman" <dwayne55@comcast.net> writes: > David, > > What Alexander Mack Jr. recorded in his list of deaths was (as > transcribed > in English): "Bro. Christopher Kalckloeser and his wife, the > sister." > (Source: The Day Book/Account Book of Alexander Mack, Jr. > (1712-1803), > Kutztown, The Pennsylvania German Society, 2004, p. 95. The > transcription > in German (p. 33) is much more interesting: "Br Christophel > Kalckglöser und > swin Weib die sh. Mariahlösel." This could explain the entry in > Brumbaugh. > > Do you suspect that there were two marriages: first, Maria Mack, > and > second, Maria Leisel, or that there were two Christopher > Kalckloesers? In > my opinion, Christopher was married to Maria Mack when they came > over on the > Ship Allen. I say this for two reasons. First there is the matter > of the > marriage record which we have uncovered. Second there was the > positioning > of the wives and other women on the Ship: Maria [nee Mack?] > Kalklieser was > next to Anna Margaret Mackin who in turn was next to Phillipina > Mackin (see > List A). I believe that all three of these Mack women were sisters, > > although I don't know who their parents were. > > This Kalckglöser family is extremely difficult to figure out. If > you look > at Brumbaugh, p. 399, you will find a "Ludwig Kalckglaeser and wife" > in a > list of the early Conestoga Brethren. Their identities are > explained by no > one to my knowledge. Usually the men's names include Johann > Heinrich, > Christoffel, and Emmanuel.......but Ludwig?????? Who was he? > > Dwayne Wrightsman

Here is what David Eller has on Francis Stump - in his dissertation - Eller, David Barry The Brethren in the Western Ohio Valley 1790-1850: German Baptist Settlement and Frontier Accommodation, 1976, PhD Dissertation, Miami University, Oxford OH p83 ...the first Dunker minister in the county, Francis Stump. Stump is identified in the 1790 census as living in Bullskin township, Fayette County Pennsylvania, near the Youghiogheny River. He was already a Dunker minister in 1799 when his land in Pennsylvania was sold. He first obtained two hundred acres from Daniel Rhoads, a brother of Henry, in 1797. Another one hundred seventy acres was surveyed for him in 1798, which was bounded both by military land and a Hunsaker family. This land was located near Pond Creek. In 1801 he made a headright claim for one hundred fifty acres on rocky Fork of the Mud River... Stump died...1801...will mentions his "beloved wife Rachel" p83-4 (footnote #6 --J.E. Blough, History --of the Western District of Penn. "Francis Stump lived in what is now Elk Lick Township, Somerset County, from 1783 to 1799, when he sold his farm. The deed reads 'between Francis Stump, minister of the Dunkard Society'. He undoubtedly moved to Kentucky...Brother Stump was a descendant of Elder Peter Becker of Germantown." Cassel "Some Account of the Far Western Brethren", p1 A "Hannes Stump and wife Elizabeth" were baptized into the Brethren in 1748 by Michael Frantz of the Conestoga congregation in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania p85 Stump died sometime between August and October of 1801. The will mentions his “beloved wife Rachael”... Rachael soon remarried. Her new husband was Philip Kimmel. The Kimmels were also Dunkers and associated with the Rhoads family, coming to Muhlenberg County from Brothersvalley (Stony Creek) in Somerset County, Pennsylvania. Philip Kimmel claimed headrights on Deer Lick Creek in Logan County in 1796 and 1798. He purchased one hundred acres on the west side of Mud River in 1799 and in 1803 claimed another one hundred acres on the waters of Mud River. He and Rachael are listed in the 1810 census, both being over forty-five. Eight other members of the household are given, ranging in age from under ten to over twenty-six. Rachel Kimmel apparently died sometime before August, 1810. By 1814 Philip Kimmel moved across the Green River into Butler County... p86 (footnote #11 --Rachael Stump Kimmel's maiden name was Martin, as proven by a deed made August 13, 1810 wherein the heirs of "Rachael Kimmel, formerly Rachael Stump, formerly Rachael Martin, deceased" ..The heirs included John Vought, and wife Elizabeth; Gilbert Vaught, and wife Mary; and Barbara Frampton. It is assumed that these female heirs were the daughters of Francis Stump... According to tradition, Gilbert Vaught was a minister at the Hazel Creek Baptist Church...a son for Francis Stump. This son may have been Frederick Stump, who was cruelly murdered in 1799 while fishing in the Green River...This murder was probably committed by the infamous Harp brothers. p86 The only other clearly identifiable Dunker name on Francis Stump's will is John Bower (Bowers) who signed as a witness. He was apparently from Manheim Township, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, and lived near Stump in Bullskin Township, Fayette County, Pennsylvania, before moving to the Green River country sometime before 1798...In October 1810 he sold his land on Talbots Branch of Clifty and moved to the Brethren settlement in Shelby County...son, Jacob Brower . . .Hazel Creek Baptist Church, 1812 > Merle, thank you very much. Every little bit helps added to the bits and pieces I am continuing to accumulate on Francis Stump and those mentioned in his will. > >

My 5th grt granduncle, Christian Gish b. 1756 Lancaster, PA, d. 1814 Muhlenberg Co, KY, brought his entire family of nine to Muhlenberg Co, KY, after a sojourn in Botetourt Co, VA. Originally all or most of them were Brethren, but some became Baptists, as Merle mentions. They intermarried with France/Frantz, Noffsinger, and other Brethren families, and their spreading out in Muhlenberg Co, shortly after it was formed in 1797, is pretty well documented in the book "Christian Gish of Virginia" compiled by Josephine Costello Huffaker, a Gish descendant. Wayne Lucore Merle Rummel wrote: Originally this was called "Green River Country" - Muhlenberg County was primarily formed out of Logan County (originally Lincoln County). Logan County is now just the county that is south of Muhlenberg. East of Muhlenberg and Logan Counties was Warren County, the south part of it is now Simpson County.

> Merle, was there ever an actual Brethren Church (with a name to have records available) in the southern borderline of Muhlenberg-Logan Counties, Kentucky - minister Francis Stump - period 1795-1805 ?? The exodus of most of the group of families who were Brethren seemed to have emigrated to Edgar County, Illinois about 1825. A member of the Rhoades (Rodes, Roads - perhaps given name Henry) family may have also been a minister there. > > Francis Stump died August 1801 and left a will. I'm now looking for a burial service or place of burial. At the present time, I do not have actual records of more than one or two of the Kentucky churches. I do not know enough about churches in Muhlenberg County, Originally this was called "Green River Country" - Muhlenberg County was primarily formed out of Logan County (originally Lincoln County). Logan County is now just the county that is south of Muhlenberg. East of Muhlenberg and Logan Counties was Warren County, the south part of it is now Simpson County. Simpson County is the primary location of the Drakes Creek Church, where I have located a Lick Creek Primitive Baptist Church of the 1840s (at Gold City) that includes some of the family names of the Drakes Creek Church. But Drakes Creek seems to have included members in Logan County. How much these two church areas were connected, I don't know, but both of them have members moving to Missouri-Illinois, and few if any in Missour or Illinois came from the other Kentucky churches (there was migration from the Indiana churches -who had moved north from Shelby and Oldham counties KY). The original settlement of the Green River County, Muhlenberg, was a party from Brothersvalley, (Somerset County) Pennsylvania (the Rhodes, Kimmels, and soon including Francis Stump). According to David Eller (Brethren in the Western Ohio Valley, dissertation, pp83-4) Francis Stump obtained 200 acres from Daniel Rhoads in 1797, and another 170 acres the next year. This land was near Pond Creek (or Pond River which flows south off the Green River) near Bremen KY. In 1801 he made a headright claim for 150 acres on Rock Fork of Mud River. Mud River goes nearly due south from the Green River west of Rochester. Mud River is about 20 miles west of Bowling Green, and the Pond River is about 20 miles west of the Mud River. Drakes Creek flows south of the Barren River (branch of the Green River) from Bowling Green. Philip Kimmel, husband of Rachel Martin Stump (who died 1810), claimed headrights on Deer Lick Creek in Logan County in 1796-87. In 1803 he claimed 100 acres on the Mud River. The well known Elder George Wolfe lived on the Wolf Lick Creek of the Mud River, just south of the Muhlenberg line. The primary church of the Rhoads and others seems to be the Hazel Creek Baptist Church. I have not yet investigated the records of this church, to see if it might have been originally Brethren. My investigations into Muhlenberg County have only begun. Merle C Rummel

Merle, thank you very much. Every little bit helps added to the bits and pieces I am continuing to accumulate on Francis Stump and those mentioned in his will. Always happy to have the helps you send. Liz Stump ----- Original Message ---- From: Merle C Rummel <cliff@rtkonline.com> To: brethren@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 9:17:45 AM Subject: Re: [BRE] Muhlenberg County KY Churches > Merle, was there ever an actual Brethren Church (with a name to have records available) in the southern borderline of Muhlenberg-Logan Counties, Kentucky - minister Francis Stump - period 1795-1805 ?? The exodus of most of the group of families who were Brethren seemed to have emigrated to Edgar County, Illinois about 1825. A member of the Rhoades (Rodes, Roads - perhaps given name Henry) family may have also been a minister there. > > Francis Stump died August 1801 and left a will. I'm now looking for a burial service or place of burial. At the present time, I do not have actual records of more than one or two of the Kentucky churches. I do not know enough about churches in Muhlenberg County, Originally this was called "Green River Country" - Muhlenberg County was primarily formed out of Logan County (originally Lincoln County). Logan County is now just the county that is south of Muhlenberg. East of Muhlenberg and Logan Counties was Warren County, the south part of it is now Simpson County. Simpson County is the primary location of the Drakes Creek Church, where I have located a Lick Creek Primitive Baptist Church of the 1840s (at Gold City) that includes some of the family names of the Drakes Creek Church. But Drakes Creek seems to have included members in Logan County. How much these two church areas were connected, I don't know, but both of them have members moving to Missouri-Illinois, and few if any in Missour or Illinois came from the other Kentucky churches (there was migration from the Indiana churches -who had moved north from Shelby and Oldham counties KY). The original settlement of the Green River County, Muhlenberg, was a party from Brothersvalley, (Somerset County) Pennsylvania (the Rhodes, Kimmels, and soon including Francis Stump). According to David Eller (Brethren in the Western Ohio Valley, dissertation, pp83-4) Francis Stump obtained 200 acres from Daniel Rhoads in 1797, and another 170 acres the next year. This land was near Pond Creek (or Pond River which flows south off the Green River) near Bremen KY. In 1801 he made a headright claim for 150 acres on Rock Fork of Mud River. Mud River goes nearly due south from the Green River west of Rochester. Mud River is about 20 miles west of Bowling Green, and the Pond River is about 20 miles west of the Mud River. Drakes Creek flows south of the Barren River (branch of the Green River) from Bowling Green. Philip Kimmel, husband of Rachel Martin Stump (who died 1810), claimed headrights on Deer Lick Creek in Logan County in 1796-87. In 1803 he claimed 100 acres on the Mud River. The well known Elder George Wolfe lived on the Wolf Lick Creek of the Mud River, just south of the Muhlenberg line. The primary church of the Rhoads and others seems to be the Hazel Creek Baptist Church. I have not yet investigated the records of this church, to see if it might have been originally Brethren. My investigations into Muhlenberg County have only begun. Merle C Rummel ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 2/21/2008 3:02:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, brethren-request@rootsweb.com writes: Subject: [BRE] Note from J. F. Cline Wayne, could "Cakerice" be "Kagarise" from Befrod Co., PA? Roger Rhoads **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

Morning List, I saw this in passing this morning and thought it might interest some. I do as it mentions that their meeting-house was one made of sod. GM Vol. 25, No. 4, p. 58, Jan. 25, 1887. Bro. J F. Cline started on foot, Nov. 6, from Sherman Center, Kan., to Cheyenne Co., same State, and as he walked over the beautiful prairies he was made to think of the wonderful works of God. By making frequent inquiries he found the home of Bro. Byers, where he was kindly cared for. On the 7th they had meeting in their sod meeting-house, and in the evening Bro. Cline spoke to the people in Bro. Myer's home. Brethren Myers and Cakerice are the ministers in this church . . . Wayne Webb Editor: Brethren Roots