Andrew, I have your grandfather in my file because of your Half Grandaunt Pearl's marriage to William Henry Beachel the son of Emerson Henry Beachel and Katherine May Nedrow related to Elder Henry Meyers. When I read the Kesler entries, ran a copy of what I had to see if they matched. The file was sitting in the holder next to the computer when I read your message. Elder Benjamin Elias Kesler, Sr. son of Stephen Kesler and Sophia Sink, born 06 Mar 1951 in Franklin Co., VA and died 01 Aug 1952 in Goshen at age 91. Most of what I have is from a very long article about his Brethren and Dunkard work and the census. There also is a photo of Elder B.E.in the Brethren Encyclopedia. In 1900, lived at Union, Greene Co., Arkansas with wife Mattie L.; 5 children. Mattie was the mother of 5, all living. He was a minister In 1910, lived in Precinct 5, Elbert, Colorado with wife M.L. and 4 children. Mattie was the mother of 11 children, 4 living. He was farming on a homestead. Daughter Pearl and son-in-law Henry lived on the same land. In 1920, lived in Poplar Bluff, Butler Co., Missouri with wife Lulu M. and son Maury, step-son of Lulu. He was a minister and pastor. At the time of daughter Pearl's death in 1927 was still in Poplar Bluff. After 1937, Benjamin lived in Goshen, Elkhart Co., IN. "The Goshen Indiana Dunkard Brethren Congregation was organized on Nov 30, 1926 by a group of 15 members with Leander P. Kurtz as presiding elder. Over the years, several ministers moved into the vicinity. Elder B. E. Kesler spent his last years here after 1937." In 1885, married Mattie Laura Hurt, Born 12 Oct 1862. 11 children In next married Lulu Matilda Thurman She had a son Benjamin Elias, Jr. born 13 Aug 1920 in Poplar Bluff, Butler co., MO. Died Apr 1981 in Goshen. I do not have his wife. I presume it is Mariam. >From your message; Jr. had Steven who had Andrew? I can not attach to this. If you would like what I have with the sources, let me know. Mary Ann Rhodes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Kesler" <catlob@gmail.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 8:36 PM Subject: [BRE] Interested in Kesler lineage > Greetings! My name is Andrew D Kesler. I am the son of Steven Kesler > s/o Benjamin Kesler s/o Benjamin E Kesler. I live in Goshen, IN and > "the wife of the descendant B.E. Kesler" that you mentioned in one of > your former emails is my grandmother Mariam. I am very interested in > learning more of my fathers family heritage and, if possible, would > really enjoy being included in your emails. I just signed up to be on > the Brethren email group. Please let me know if this is the right > forum to submit an inquiry such as this. > Thanks > Andrew Kesler > > ------------------------

Hi Andrew, Yes, you have joined a good forum for all things Brethren, a place to get your questions answered and to help others with their questions. Sometimes it will be important to give considerable information about your family so that others will be able to identify your family situation. Not all of your questions will necessarily be answered, and sometimes you may get more answers than you bargained for. This mailing list has been very helpful for almost all of us. It is one of the more active forums there is. Welcome aboard, and may we all learn more about yours and other Kesler/Kessler families. Dwayne Wrightsman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Kesler" <catlob@gmail.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 8:36 PM Subject: [BRE] Interested in Kesler lineage > Greetings! My name is Andrew D Kesler. I am the son of Steven Kesler > s/o Benjamin Kesler s/o Benjamin E Kesler. I live in Goshen, IN and > "the wife of the descendant B.E. Kesler" that you mentioned in one of > your former emails is my grandmother Mariam. I am very interested in > learning more of my fathers family heritage and, if possible, would > really enjoy being included in your emails. I just signed up to be on > the Brethren email group. Please let me know if this is the right > forum to submit an inquiry such as this. > Thanks > Andrew Kesler > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Greetings! My name is Andrew D Kesler. I am the son of Steven Kesler s/o Benjamin Kesler s/o Benjamin E Kesler. I live in Goshen, IN and "the wife of the descendant B.E. Kesler" that you mentioned in one of your former emails is my grandmother Mariam. I am very interested in learning more of my fathers family heritage and, if possible, would really enjoy being included in your emails. I just signed up to be on the Brethren email group. Please let me know if this is the right forum to submit an inquiry such as this. Thanks Andrew Kesler

i am interested in joining your group to learn more about the Kesler lineage. my name is Andrew D Kesler from goshen, in. my great grandfather was Benjamin Elias Kesler. thank you Andrew Kesler

Ferne and Brethren List- I am re-requesting the whole obit (you can send it to the Brethren Listserv so others can have it) of Rev. Tobias Kreider (1826-1902). I went and search archives, but could not find a message that had the whole obit. I only have a paper copy and want an online version that is not a picture. I requested few weeks ago, but nobody has responded this time. Thanks. Patrick (if anybody has notcontacted me before, and descends from David Kreider (1779-1844) and Gertude Miller (1782-1851), please write my hawkwind address off of her) --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.

Welcome, Andrew! Yes, you are on the right list. Group, this is Kesler the descendant I was speaking of in earlier emails. Diane Kerchner -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Kesler Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 5:36 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRE] Interested in Kesler lineage Greetings! My name is Andrew D Kesler. I am the son of Steven Kesler s/o Benjamin Kesler s/o Benjamin E Kesler. I live in Goshen, IN and "the wife of the descendant B.E. Kesler" that you mentioned in one of your former emails is my grandmother Mariam. I am very interested in learning more of my fathers family heritage and, if possible, would really enjoy being included in your emails. I just signed up to be on the Brethren email group. Please let me know if this is the right forum to submit an inquiry such as this. Thanks Andrew Kesler ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.0/1296 - Release Date: 2/24/2008 12:19 PM

The reference was 1740 ....not 1840. The claim was made that someone was born in Tyrone in 1728, which was well before the first white settlers in this area, which came in 1740. -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of RRRhoads@aol.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 2:05 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] BRETHREN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 72 Actually Balir Co. was formed from elements of Huntingdon and Bedford Co. in 1840. believe me when I say there were lots of people there before 1840. Roger Rhoads In a message dated 2/23/2008 11:20:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, brethren-request@rootsweb.com writes: Message: 5 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:08:54 -0500 From: "William Thomas" <wbtst2@atlanticbb.net> Subject: Re: [BRE] Kessler To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000001c87679$72b05be0$6401a8c0@thomas01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" RE: Johannes Kessler (b Tyrone PA, 3/8/1727/28, d 3/24/1813, Botetourt Co., VA) I think you have an error in your birth location. Tyrone, PA (north of Altoona in Blair County) was founded in 1850. The Tyrone area was unsettled Indian territory in 1728. The first settlers came to what is now Blair County in the 1740's. Bill Thomas **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-du ffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Actually Balir Co. was formed from elements of Huntingdon and Bedford Co. in 1840. believe me when I say there were lots of people there before 1840. Roger Rhoads In a message dated 2/23/2008 11:20:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, brethren-request@rootsweb.com writes: Message: 5 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:08:54 -0500 From: "William Thomas" <wbtst2@atlanticbb.net> Subject: Re: [BRE] Kessler To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000001c87679$72b05be0$6401a8c0@thomas01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" RE: Johannes Kessler (b Tyrone PA, 3/8/1727/28, d 3/24/1813, Botetourt Co., VA) I think you have an error in your birth location. Tyrone, PA (north of Altoona in Blair County) was founded in 1850. The Tyrone area was unsettled Indian territory in 1728. The first settlers came to what is now Blair County in the 1740's. Bill Thomas **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

Afternoon Fellow List Members, I saw this obituary and immediately thought of the ongoing discussion, at times, of the Baker family of Morrison's Cove, Pennsylvania. It comes from the Gospel Messenger, Vol. 25, No. 34, pp. 555-556, Sept. 6, 1887 A look at World Connect Project seems to indicate that the Baker family originated in Hopewell township, Bedford county, Pennsylvania. Wayne Webb Editor: Brethren Roots In Memory of a Departed Sister. Died, in the Mohican church, Wayne Co., Ohio, sister Anna Elson wife of Bro. Thomas Elson. She was born in Bedford Co., Pa., Feb. 6, 1812, died Aug. 7, 1887, aged 75 years, 6 months, and 2 days. Thomas W. Elson and Anna Baker were united in marriage by Eld. Studebaker, May 5th, 1829, so they traveled life's journey together lovingly for over fifty-eight years. Father and mother Elson had born to them fifteen children; thirteen sons and two daughters. Ten of the children are yet living to mourn the loss of their dear departed mother. They were baptized by Bro. George Hoke in 1834, since which time and until her last moment on earth, she lived as an earnet disciple of our Lord and Savior. Aug. 9th, 1887, her beloved body was carried to its last resting-place on earth by six of her sons. Having in former years carried those sons tenderly when they could not care for themselves, now, in return, they carry her beloved body to its narrow house in the earth. The writer took charge of and preached her funeral to a large and sympathizing congregation, selecting as a text these words: "Set thy house in order, for thou shalt die and not live." Isaiah 38: 1. The following hymns were sung: No. 598 at the house, 611 opening and 592 closing. Sister Elson was not sick long. While at church, Sunday, Aug. 7th, she took sick, leaving the house at once; she and her husband soon started for home. She remarked several times while on the way that she was very sick. When they arrived at home in New Pittsburgh, Wayne Co., Ohio, she was unable to leave the buggy, and her husband, assisted by several of his neihgbors, carried her into the house, about 11:30 A. M., where all that loving hearts and tenders could suggest and do, was done, but all was in vain. About 2 o'clock P. M. she took passage on the Golden Chariot and soared away to that Golden City prepared for all who love and serve the Lord. Eight of her children were soon there; some from Ohio, some from Indiana, and some from Michigan. Two could not be present,-sister Maggie, who remained at home and cared for her loving parents (now in Kansas), and a son with whose place of residence the writer is unacquainted. Her only brother and sister, of Canton, Ohio, were present at the funeral and it was a very sad and touching scene to see these children, this father and husband, and this brother and wife, parting with all that remained on earth of this aged mother, companion and sister. In conclusion let me say that to one and all, try and so live that we may all enjoy her company in a brighter clime. To her children, in particular, I would say, You all know her great love for you; you all feel that she has tenderly and lovingly prayed for you many times, and oh, may these prayers not be in vain. We trust that not one child may be lost. D. N. Workman.

Evening Lists, I found this in my meanderings through the 1887 Gospel Messenger. It makes for interesting reading as penned by Elder. H. B. Brumbaugh. It is also being sent to the respective counties in Pennsylvania where it may apply so that those list administrators can pass it along. Wayne Webb Editor: Brethren Roots WOODCOCK VALLEY. This is a narrow belt of land located between Terrace and Tauras mountains, and, though narrow, is noted for its good farms, good farmers and good people. Why it received this name we are not prepared to say with authority. Some of the old citizens tell us that at one time there were a great many birds in the valley of this name, and because of their abundance the valley was so called. Whether or not this is the true story, we are not able to vouch for, but such seems to border on a possibility, at least. The name, however, is quite ancient, and dates away back of the birth of Webster's Unabridged, in a time when words were not columned by the thousands, as they now are, and at a time when given names for boys were so few that a father of a large family, rather than cast a life-long reproach on his offspring, called his sons John, John Henry, John John, etc., in order that he might get around, and each one have a respectable name. But our first presentation is likely the correct one, as we have many other valleys with equally odd names; such as Trough Creek, Canoe, Half-Moon, Sinking, Hare's, Smith's, Black Log, Germany, Big, Juniata, etc., all named after some local feature of the different localities, and are generally expressive, when the circumstances connected with the naming are known. A long time ago, when these valleys were made to echo from side to side the war songs of the red man, ancient Brumbaugh, being of the first generation born on this side of the deep, located in this valley. To him were born sons and daughters, four of the sons, Daniel, Samuel, George and David, concluded to live in the land of their birth, and among their own people. However, after the red man leased his claims, smoked the pipe of peace, and hied his possessions westward, two of the more daring ones, Samuel and Daniel, called for their portion and struck towards the setting of the sun. They pitched their tents in the Miami Valley, Ohio. After being there a short time, they concluded that it was too poor a place to live, and again turned their faces towards the place of their birth; they all lived and died in Woodcock Valley. Of course, this will not be accepted as a reflection on the present condition of things in the Miami Valley, as circumstances have greatly changed there, and to the present inhabitants our Woodcock Valley, with its hills, would present no attractions whatever. Another of the Brumbaugh family, Henry, located near Dayton, and of his offspring there is quite a number in the Valley at this time. Another of the brothers belonging to the older part of the family, Conrad, settled near where Canton, Ohio, now is, and of his offspring there are quite a number residing in the neighborhood. But as it is not our present intention of writing a record of the Brumbaugh family, we wi!l drop this part and continue on the line on which we started. The four brothers referred to were all members of the Tunker church. George, our grandfather, lived at the old Brumbaugh homestead within a short distance of where the James Creek church now stands-was a minister and elder. David lived in the old stone mansion just above the village of Markleysbnrg, about a mile from where we are writing. Daniel lived further west, near where the village of Coffee Run is now located, and Samuel still farther west, near Stonerstown. These were all representative men, physically, morally and spiritually, and from their descendants, or the descendants of this family, the Clover Creek, James Creek and Huntingdon churches are largely represented, all following, religiously, in the footsteps of the fathers. We are now in the valley, on a visit to father, and the family with which he lives, David, the second son, and walked out to a place where we have before us a view of the old Brumbaugh homestead, the graveyard, where sleep many loved ones, and the James Creek church, where, in former days, we often assembled for worship and praise. It was a sight of these familiar scenes that awakened in us the thoughts that we have so hastily penciled, under the large walnut whose great branches are gently waving over us, by the evening breeze that is receding from the setting sun. With a glance of memory backward, we take in the scenes of decades, and are impressed with the changes that time has made. In our boyhood we are standing at the gate-down the lane are coming grandfather and grandmother-they are now here, and after a most cheerful greeting, they pass into the house. After awhile two more come, and two more, until the major part of the church is present. It is Saturday evening-supper is over, and we are all together, hymns are sung, exhortations and prayers are made, and we go to bed, to be at meeting in the morning, for right here in our father's upper room, in our own home, the meeting for Sunday is held. How we enjoy these meetings-not large congregations, but a deep religious spirit prevails, and we are impressed. These sixteen-week meetings are continued, and years grow upon us. Our associates, with ourself, are converted to the religion of Christ, and we have a third edition of the Brethren church in Woodcock Valley, our fathers being the second, and our grandfathers the first, although it was then known as part of the Clover Creek church. During this decade we see a large ingathering, the James Creek church organized, a commodious church-house built, three ministers elected, and Sunday-schools introduced. The thought that now impresses us is, What changes have taken place! Surely, things are not as they once were, and the question to comes us, Have these changes been for the better? Those who point back, say, No. Those who look forward, say, Yes. Who is it that says, No? The man that looks back-but there are no crabs in the church of Christ. "I press forward," is the Christian's watch-word. With increased possibilities come increased responsibilities. We are now in the fourth church edition, and while we do not feel that we are better than were our fathers, we hope that our growth in effective church work has been, to some extent, commensurate with our advantages. But the sun has fallen behind the western hills, darkness is gathering her shroud around us, and we must leave the sanctum that nature so beautifully has made. To the lovely spot we now bid adieu. And as you, dear reader, glance over these lines, we pray thee, pardon the stray thoughts you may find, and charge them to the strangeness of the circumstances under which they were written.

Dwayne, I have for several years held to the belief that Peter Becker and Valentine Becker were at the least uncle and nephew. I have no proof but the early history leaves one to make assumptions. Wayne Webb Editor: Brethren Roots ----- Original Message ----- > Now, the question is: Who was the Maria Catherine who was married to John > Stumpf? > > Could she have been the daughter Catherine of Julian Stumpf and his second > wife Maria? Could Maria Catherine have been a half-sister of her husband > John Stump (son of Julian Stumpf and his first wife Elizabeth)? Could > this > have been the "too near a relation" marriage that Conrad Beissel was > outraged about, resulting in John Stump being banned by Beissel from the > Brethren? > > Could Julian Stumpf's second wife Maria have been born a Becker, > explaining > why Valentine Becker was called "UNCLE" in the 1754 guardianship papers of > the children of John and Maria Catherine Stump's children? Also, could > Valentin Becker have been related to Elder Peter Becker?

Sidney, Clinton Twp., Shelby Co., Ohio ----- Original Message ----- From: <sharonmills@insightbb.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 7:35 PM Subject: [BRE] Mosquito Creek Church, Shelby Co OH > In which township was the Mosquito Creek Church located? > > Sharon Mills > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Wayne Webb <SpiWebb@aol.com> > Date: Friday, February 22, 2008 13:14 > Subject: Re: [BRE] Kessler > To: brethren@rootsweb.com > >> Gale, >> >> Is this the same family we were talking about >> that were founders of the >> Mosquito Creek church up in Shelby county, Ohio? >> >> Wayne Webb >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> > John Kessler was born 9 July 1768 in an unknown location in >> PA. His >> > family >> > moved from PA to Rockingham County VA living there less than a >> decade, >> > then >> > Wilkes now Ashe County NC in 1789 where he was married to Mary >> Custer. >> > They >> > left Ashe County c1812 moving to Hamilton County OH and the >> following year >> > to Jefferson Township, Montgomery County OH, c1832 to Stony >> Creek >> > Township, >> > Henry County IN. Yet in the later decade, some of their >> children moved >> > further northwest into Indiana and it is not established if >> John followed >> > in >> > these moves or went directly to Kosciusko County where he >> died. No, B. E. >> > Kesler is not from this general family. >> > Gale >> >> >> ------------------------ >> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> ------------------------ >> Support Our Sponsoring Agency >> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) >> For further information contact Ron McAdams >> >> ------------------------ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In trying to identify old family photos, I found a wonderful portrait of H. M. Long and wife. They are identified as Hiram Long and Jerusha (Ruth) Brumbaugh Long. The picture is about 4x6", taken in a classic pose, in the N.C. Jorgenson studio in Cando, N.D. If there is anyone related to this couple who would like to have the photo, please contact me, and I will mail it to you. Because there was a Church of the Brethren in Cando, they were possibly CoB. Doris Dibert dadibert@embarqmail.com

In which township was the Mosquito Creek Church located? Sharon Mills ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Webb <SpiWebb@aol.com> Date: Friday, February 22, 2008 13:14 Subject: Re: [BRE] Kessler To: brethren@rootsweb.com > Gale, > > Is this the same family we were talking about > that were founders of the > Mosquito Creek church up in Shelby county, Ohio? > > Wayne Webb > > ----- Original Message ----- > > John Kessler was born 9 July 1768 in an unknown location in > PA. His > > family > > moved from PA to Rockingham County VA living there less than a > decade, > > then > > Wilkes now Ashe County NC in 1789 where he was married to Mary > Custer. > > They > > left Ashe County c1812 moving to Hamilton County OH and the > following year > > to Jefferson Township, Montgomery County OH, c1832 to Stony > Creek > > Township, > > Henry County IN. Yet in the later decade, some of their > children moved > > further northwest into Indiana and it is not established if > John followed > > in > > these moves or went directly to Kosciusko County where he > died. No, B. E. > > Kesler is not from this general family. > > Gale > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams > mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

RE: Johannes Kessler (b Tyrone PA, 3/8/1727/28, d 3/24/1813, Botetourt Co., VA) I think you have an error in your birth location. Tyrone, PA (north of Altoona in Blair County) was founded in 1850. The Tyrone area was unsettled Indian territory in 1728. The first settlers came to what is now Blair County in the 1740's. Bill Thomas

Julian Stumpf's daughter Catherine married John Keim. Therefore she was not the wife of her half-brother, John Stump. (Thank goodness!) Now I wonder if Julian Stumpf's second wife, Maria, was a widow who was first married to a Becker, and that when she and her husband Julian Stumpf came over with Elder Peter Becker, in 1719, she brought along a daughter, Maria Catherine Becker, by her first marriage, and that it was this daughter who married her step-son John Stump. If that were the case, the "too near a relation" marriage would have been between step-siblings (not as bad as half-siblings). Then I wonder if Maria also had a son, Valentin, who did not come over in 1719, but came instead in 1729 with his wife "Stinkee" on the Ship Allen. If that were the case, Valentin Becker would be the brother of Maria Catherine and truly the uncle of her children. A Valentin Becker married a Stintgen (=Stinkee) Frantzen in Krefeld in 1723, indicating that this Valentin Becker would have been old enough for his mother to leave behind in 1719. This scenario makes a lot more sense than the one described (below) in my first message. If only I could find out whether or not Julian Stumpf's second wife was first married to a Becker...... Isn't genealogy fun? Dwayne Wrightsman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dwayne Wrightsman" <dwayne55@comcast.net> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 3:19 PM Subject: [BRE] Julian Stumpf's Wives and Children > >From reading Durnbaugh's European Origins of the Brethren, 1958, one > >learns > that Julian Stumpf (contemporary of Elder Peter Becker) was married twice. > In 1712 Julian's wife from Stockheim was baptized in Dudelsheim by > Alexander > Mack (Durnbaugh, page 171). In 1714 Julian was in Dudelsheim where he was > listed as a resident with three children (Durnbaugh, page 183). > > Julian Stumpf's first wife, Elizabeth, and their children's baptisms, > Johannes (1700) , Anna Maria (1703) , Johann George (1705), Johann > Leonhard > (1707), and Johann George (1709), are mentioned in the register of the > Reformed Church of Nordheim, Hessen. > > Julian's second wife, Maria, and his children Jacob, George, Johann, Mary, > and Catherine, are mentioned in Julian Stumpf's will, dated March 12, > 1741, > and proved August 17, 1741, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania, Wills, Vol. > 4, No. 211, page 236. > > Children George, Johann, and Mary were apparently from Julian's first > marriage to Elizabeth. Children Jacob and Catherine were seemingly from > the > second marriage to Maria. (Son Jacob, from the second marriage, was > apparently the Jacob Stump who married Elizabeth Becker, daughter of Elder > Peter Becker.) > > Son Johann (John) Stumpf of the first marriage was apparently the John > Stump > who occupied the cabin of Conrad Beissel and kept a wife with him in the > cabin (sometime in 1727) without Beissel's knowledge. When Beissel found > out, he put a ban on John Stumpf for marrying "too near a relation." > > A Maria Catherine was named as the wife of John Stumpf in John's will > written 1748, proven 1749 (Lancaster County Will Book A-1-172). In the > will > a Valentin Becker was named co-executor. For two of the children of John > Stump, the court appointed their "UNCLE" Valentine Becker as guardian > (Lancaster County Orphans Court, June 4, 1754). > > Now, the question is: Who was the Maria Catherine who was married to John > Stumpf? > > Could she have been the daughter Catherine of Julian Stumpf and his second > wife Maria? Could Maria Catherine have been a half-sister of her husband > John Stump (son of Julian Stumpf and his first wife Elizabeth)? Could > this > have been the "too near a relation" marriage that Conrad Beissel was > outraged about, resulting in John Stump being banned by Beissel from the > Brethren? > > Could Julian Stumpf's second wife Maria have been born a Becker, > explaining > why Valentine Becker was called "UNCLE" in the 1754 guardianship papers of > the children of John and Maria Catherine Stump's children? Also, could > Valentin Becker have been related to Elder Peter Becker? > > I realize, of course, that no one can answer these questions, but I raise > them anyway as it seems to me to be the most logical explanation of those > things that we do know. > > Comments appreciated. > > Dwayne Wrightsman

Is this John Kessler related to the Johannes Kessler (b Tyrone PA, 3/8/1727/28, d 3/24/1813, Botetourt Co., VA) m 1755 Eva Dorothea Lehman (1/24/1733/34, Montgomery Co., MD- d7/24/1798 Botetourt Co., VA). Apparently Johannes and Eva Dorothea were living in Frederick Co., MD, ca 1763-1778, when their sons Daniel, Christian, Benjamin, David, and Abraham were born-- assuming my records are correct.) Merle C Rummel wrote: > John Kessler died 14 Feb 1845 at his daughter's house (Elizabeth, wife > of Nathaniel Burket) in Kosciusko Co IN. He is the son of Elder Ulrich > Kessler, of the Uwharrie Church, Rowan Co NC, where John was born, > 1768. His wife was Mary Custer. They moved first to Wilkes Co NC, then > followed the Custer family to Mill Creek, Hamilton Co OH, c1800. They > moved to Dublin IN, where Mary died. John Custer (Mary's father) is > known as an 'Eternal Restorationist' (Pietist Univeralism). Dubliin IN > was a Universalist Conference Center after the National Road went > through - about 1835. A grandson, Samuel Custer, says that most of the > family were Universalists, but Brethren. > > Is this B E Kesler of this family? > > Merle C Rummel > > >> B.E. Kesler and his wife LuLu moved to Goshen, Indiana where he founded a >> Dunkard Brethren church according to his descendants. I know his >> descendant's wife who still lives near Goshen. >> Diane Kerchner >> >> > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

>From reading Durnbaugh's European Origins of the Brethren, 1958, one learns that Julian Stumpf (contemporary of Elder Peter Becker) was married twice. In 1712 Julian's wife from Stockheim was baptized in Dudelsheim by Alexander Mack (Durnbaugh, page 171). In 1714 Julian was in Dudelsheim where he was listed as a resident with three children (Durnbaugh, page 183). Julian Stumpf's first wife, Elizabeth, and their children's baptisms, Johannes (1700) , Anna Maria (1703) , Johann George (1705), Johann Leonhard (1707), and Johann George (1709), are mentioned in the register of the Reformed Church of Nordheim, Hessen. Julian's second wife, Maria, and his children Jacob, George, Johann, Mary, and Catherine, are mentioned in Julian Stumpf's will, dated March 12, 1741, and proved August 17, 1741, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania, Wills, Vol. 4, No. 211, page 236. Children George, Johann, and Mary were apparently from Julian's first marriage to Elizabeth. Children Jacob and Catherine were seemingly from the second marriage to Maria. (Son Jacob, from the second marriage, was apparently the Jacob Stump who married Elizabeth Becker, daughter of Elder Peter Becker.) Son Johann (John) Stumpf of the first marriage was apparently the John Stump who occupied the cabin of Conrad Beissel and kept a wife with him in the cabin (sometime in 1727) without Beissel's knowledge. When Beissel found out, he put a ban on John Stumpf for marrying "too near a relation." A Maria Catherine was named as the wife of John Stumpf in John's will written 1748, proven 1749 (Lancaster County Will Book A-1-172). In the will a Valentin Becker was named co-executor. For two of the children of John Stump, the court appointed their "UNCLE" Valentine Becker as guardian (Lancaster County Orphans Court, June 4, 1754). Now, the question is: Who was the Maria Catherine who was married to John Stumpf? Could she have been the daughter Catherine of Julian Stumpf and his second wife Maria? Could Maria Catherine have been a half-sister of her husband John Stump (son of Julian Stumpf and his first wife Elizabeth)? Could this have been the "too near a relation" marriage that Conrad Beissel was outraged about, resulting in John Stump being banned by Beissel from the Brethren? Could Julian Stumpf's second wife Maria have been born a Becker, explaining why Valentine Becker was called "UNCLE" in the 1754 guardianship papers of the children of John and Maria Catherine Stump's children? Also, could Valentin Becker have been related to Elder Peter Becker? I realize, of course, that no one can answer these questions, but I raise them anyway as it seems to me to be the most logical explanation of those things that we do know. Comments appreciated. Dwayne Wrightsman

Thank you for this interesting list. I noted the Ogle Co. IL COBs. And also the link to the Almanac. I found 2 relatives, different sides of the family on this page, a Williford in TN and Weybright in MD http://www.rothweb.com/almanacs/1903/pages/page51.html ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Webb <SpiWebb@aol.com> Date: Sunday, February 10, 2008 2:11 pm Subject: [BRE] Gospel Messenger Volume 25, No. 3, Jan. 18, 1887 #3 > Continuing: > > FOREIGN MISSION. > <end of part 3> > > This completes the list of donations. I would like to remind > subscribers to > the Brethren list that due to the kindness of Friend Dennis Roth, > a frequent > writer to this list, we have the 1903 Brethren's Family Almanac on > the > Internet. It, the Alamanac, can be found at > http://www.rothweb.com/almanacs/1903/index.html and my thanks once > again to > Dennis for hosting the site for me. > > Wayne Webb > Editor: Brethren Roots

B.E.Kesler first married March 23, 1884 Martha Laura Hurt, apparently Mattie Lorrea is a nickname. She was the daughter of George and Permelia Hunter Hurt. I am not sure if this Hurt family has Brethren connections or not. There is a Hirt family in Franklin Co, VA who do have a number of Brethren connections. Are these two families one and the same? Milton Cook _____________________________________________________________ Click here to get you high school diploma (GED) in days http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3l9xov9CA9fnav4Y4B99YYJT2YRgZuZjbiyhhImr6SGoS8Rq/