Following are penned notes from my husband's files: 1. 1683 Germans to Germantown, Phila. Suburb - 1/3 of Penna. with Germans by Amer. Revo. 2. 1714 - German Redemptioners sent to Falls of Rappahannock where they became Colony of Germanna. 3. 1718 - Scotch-Irish mostly settled in Western Pa. 4. 1732 Justus Hite (German) led group from York PA to Winchester. Va. (No indication as to his religious association.) Other surnames taken from land records and some marriage records - all in Muhlenberg Co. KY during the tenure of Elder Francis Stump: Jacob Rhoads; D. Kimmel (apparent male married C. HUNSACKER) numerous spellings such as Hunsinger, etc.; Geo. Hunsaker (perhaps one named in Francis' Will). The old handwritten will of Francis does not show a surname for the David which has become Stump in later wills - which clearly show completely rewritten by the same hand. I found a similar happening on another line - the female name had been transcribed as Sara and when I got the original land record it was quite plain as Leah - which showed in other papers. So it can happen. Many more Ripples, Willis, Washabaughs (no indication they were Brethren); Roth (assumed to be Rhoads); Barbara (assumed daughter of Elder Francis Stump married a Frampton); I'll continue checking, but since the following appears in the land records, - and they are scattered: Muhlenberg became a county in 1799; it was Lincoln from 1780-1792; Logan from 1792-1797; Christian 1797-1799. There were no death records in Kentucky prior to 1852. The first land purchase of Elder Francis Stump was from a Rhoads - and the land is described from a Warrant to a Biggerstaff - naturally the description cannot be located during the last century. I did get a USGS Survey dated 1911 from the Univ of Ariz. and worked with the City Engineer in Tuscon trying to locate the land - from the several drawings of the Biggerstaff warrant we could not quite complete the land because one vital measurement was missing. It raised the question of the warrant of the land may have been on the edge of Butler Co. KY (Butler created 1810). This was because the Title to the land went to so many different people after Rhoads sold part to Elder Francis Stump. Not finally settled to Biggerstaff heirs until mid-1800s. My feeling is that the Ripple sand Washabaughs - (married to Stump family members) were not Brethren - or they left the Brethren beliefs when they emigrated to Edgar and Clark Counties, Illinois. My husband's records of the blood line descent from David (Washabaugh) Stump and wife Catharine Ripple are quite complete. There are many related collateral lines which show no association with Brethren records. As I continue to try and get all these records (many are duplicated) in order, I'll send anything I think will help you. Please let me know if you have questions about anything I've written or anything you think may be in all this paper-work. Good luck on your book. Liz Stump

I Have to ask, how big is this file, my e-mail show's that I can receive up to a 5.0mb file. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Florian" <cageycat@gmail.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Gospel Messenger Vol. 25, No. 1, Jan. 4, 1887(complete) > This list is wonderful. I've gotten the file (thank you again). > > Ads in old papers also interest me. I noticed they offered Church > Registers-- I wish my church of interest had records from 1700-early 1800! > > Thank you Wayne for sharing this. > > Judy Florian > > > On 3/8/08, Judy Florian <cageycat@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I would also appreciate a copy. It's rare that I can read all emails on >> the same day I receive them. So I, too, missed the deadline. If anyone >> gets a chance, could you forward me a copy. >> >> Thank you. Wayne does so much to preserve Brethren history. >> >> Judy >> >> >> > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Found this interesting obituary in the Primitive Christian. Dennis Olympia, Wash The Primitive Christian May 13, 1879 page 304 MYERS – Sister Sarah, wife of brother D. J. Myers and daughter of bro. Jacob and sister Nancy Kart. The subject of this notice was born Nov. 5th, 1838, near 12 o’clock, Married January 15, 1857, near 12 o’clock, baptized in December, near 12 o’clock, took sick February 17th, 1879, near 12 o’clock, took congestive chill March 3rd, near 12 o’clock, died March 4th, 1879, near 12 o’clock, was buried March 6th, near 12 o’clock. Aged 40 years, 8 months, and 29 days. Funeral services by the writer and others, from Luke 23, 28, middle clause, “Weep not for me.” G. Bollinger. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

I can't begin to imagine the amount of time, talent and dedication Wayne gives to all of us on this list, and as Editor of the FOBG. For any of you who haven't met him in person, you're truly missing something -- he radiates knowledge and enthusiasm. Thanks again, Wayne! Becky Young Hoatland > Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 14:50:44 -0500> From: cageycat@gmail.com> To: brethren@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BRE] Gospel Messenger Vol. 25, No. 1, Jan. 4, 1887(complete)> > I would also appreciate a copy. It's rare that I can read all emails on the> same day I receive them. So I, too, missed the deadline. If anyone gets a> chance, could you forward me a copy.> > Thank you. Wayne does so much to preserve Brethren history.> > Judy> > > On 3/6/08, newmangeorge@bellsouth.net <newmangeorge@bellsouth.net> wrote:> >> > I realized as I read Wayne Webb's email that the date for getting a copy> > of the Jan 4, 1887 Gospel Messenger has pased. I am hoping that someone> > will forward me a copy, since I missed his deadline.> >> > G. Newman> > --> > ------------------------> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN> ------------------------> Support Our Sponsoring Agency> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG)> For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com> ------------------------> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join

I would also appreciate a copy. It's rare that I can read all emails on the same day I receive them. So I, too, missed the deadline. If anyone gets a chance, could you forward me a copy. Thank you. Wayne does so much to preserve Brethren history. Judy On 3/6/08, newmangeorge@bellsouth.net <newmangeorge@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > I realized as I read Wayne Webb's email that the date for getting a copy > of the Jan 4, 1887 Gospel Messenger has pased. I am hoping that someone > will forward me a copy, since I missed his deadline. > > G. Newman > --

Can someone please forward me a copy? Thanks, Steve On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Janet Hall <janlcpc@mchsi.com> wrote: > I just finished reading the Gospel Messanger and it is wonderful. Thanks > so > much Wayne for forwarding it on to us. And - I would be interested in a > paid > subription for other issues if it is in the offering and affortable to us > retired folks. > > Janet > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "judith meredith" <ja.meredith@verizon.net> > To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:11 PM > Subject: [BRE] Thank yours! > > > > Come on people! Wayne went to a lot of trouble to provide that copy of > the > > Gospel Messenger. If you're a recipient, the very least you can do is > > email > > him a big "Thank you"! > > > > > > > > Judy Meredith > > > > > > ------------------------ > > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > > ------------------------ > > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > > ------------------------ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.6/1317 - Release Date: > 3/7/2008 > > 8:15 AM > > > > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Wayne -- I'm about ((I think) ) to the point I'll have my deceased husband's records in the best order I can get them - and the best order to find things that may help others who may ask me directly. Right now I'm trying to prepare some things to get to Merle - that he has mentioned. Main reason for this e-mail is to THANK YOU AND ALL THE OTHERS who have done so much to help and encourage me. I'm not really leaving the Brethren WEB but will let up a bit on trying to just watch for things I now know to look for and perhaps new information that may come available. Thanks again, Liz Stump ----- Original Message ---- From: Wayne Webb <SpiWebb@aol.com> To: brethren@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, March 7, 2008 8:55:56 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Gospel Messenger Mike, You and others did not get a copy because your Internet Service Provider (ISP) will not allow for it. I got emails back from about six different ISPs containing the email addresses of over a dozen or so people stating that the file was too large. Your's was one of those emails that was returned. Refer to the email I sent out the evening of the mass email to the Brethren List. In that, in case you and others did not read it, it stated that if you did not get the file then there was a problem with your email provider. I sent it out to all those that responded in the allotted time and responded to me personally. Those who responded to the Brethren Mailing List did not get the file. Again refer to my two emails on the subject. Even then I am not too surprised to only hear from about seven or eight people a simple thank you. Along that same thought I am also not too surprised to not hear from people associated with historical societies who were on the list of recipients. It takes all kinds. Wayne Webb Editor: Brethren Roots ----- Original Message ----- > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 08:17:21 -0700 > From: "Mike Rose" <mjrose@uneedspeed.net> > Subject: Re: [BRE] Gospel Messenger > To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <00a601c88066$57f25d20$6501a8c0@mike> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Do not know why I did not get it, but would like a copy, > Thank You, > mjrose@uneedspeed.net > > Mike Rose ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Also, interested in a paid subscription if it becomes available. Thanks again! Carol Jean ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money &amp; Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

"Topozone" is great. Google the address. It allows you to see the area in many different views as well as to move easily in any direction. You can click on several different buttons to show the area a different size. I have found a number of "old" areas labeled by playing with all the options. Everything is printable. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

I just finished reading the Gospel Messanger and it is wonderful. Thanks so much Wayne for forwarding it on to us. And - I would be interested in a paid subription for other issues if it is in the offering and affortable to us retired folks. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "judith meredith" <ja.meredith@verizon.net> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:11 PM Subject: [BRE] Thank yours! > Come on people! Wayne went to a lot of trouble to provide that copy of the > Gospel Messenger. If you're a recipient, the very least you can do is > email > him a big "Thank you"! > > > > Judy Meredith > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.6/1317 - Release Date: 3/7/2008 > 8:15 AM > >

OK, have contacted provider. Thanks, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Webb" <SpiWebb@aol.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Gospel Messenger > Mike, > > You and others did not get a copy because your Internet Service > Provider > (ISP) will not allow for it. I got emails back from about six different > ISPs containing the email addresses of over a dozen or so people stating > that the file was too large. Your's was one of those emails that was > returned. > > Refer to the email I sent out the evening of the mass email to the > Brethren List. In that, in case you and others did not read it, it stated > that if you did not get the file then there was a problem with your email > provider. I sent it out to all those that responded in the allotted time > and responded to me personally. > > Those who responded to the Brethren Mailing List did not get the file. > Again refer to my two emails on the subject. > > Even then I am not too surprised to only hear from about seven or eight > people a simple thank you. Along that same thought I am also not too > surprised to not hear from people associated with historical societies who > were on the list of recipients. It takes all kinds. > > Wayne Webb > Editor: Brethren Roots > > ----- Original Message ----- >> Message: 4 >> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 08:17:21 -0700 >> From: "Mike Rose" <mjrose@uneedspeed.net> >> Subject: Re: [BRE] Gospel Messenger >> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <00a601c88066$57f25d20$6501a8c0@mike> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Do not know why I did not get it, but would like a copy, >> Thank You, >> mjrose@uneedspeed.net >> >> Mike Rose > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Perhaps the following URLs will help: _http://www.rootsweb.com/~paberks/library/townships/BernTownshipHistory.html_ (http://www.rootsweb.com/~paberks/library/townships/BernTownshipHistory.html) _http://www.co.berks.pa.us/berks/cwp/view.asp?a=1144&q=451881_ (http://www.co.berks.pa.us/berks/cwp/view.asp?a=1144&q=451881) _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Map_of_Berks_County_Pennsylvania_With_Muni cipal_and_Township_Labels.png_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Map_of_Berks_County_Pennsylvania_With_Municipal_and_Township_Labels.png) Regards, Charlie In a message dated Sat, 08 Mar 2008 01:19:05 -0500, Pat Hickin <_pph929@ntelos.net_ (mailto:pph929@ntelos.net) > writes: > In his Bible entries, my ancestor Mathias Snider says he was born > (1757) in 'Barcks" Co., "Barne" Township, eight "Meilles" from Reading. > I'm not sure where Berne Twp is in Berks Co., I'm thinking it includes > the nw part of Reading. But would Bernville have been in the original > Berne Township, which I believe was formed originally in Lancaster Co. > > Can anyone tell me in present-day terms where that's likely to have > been? For the life of me I cannot find township maps for PA counties > though I know I've seen them on the internet and I know there's a set of > state maps that show the changes in county borders over the passing > years. They are simply outline maps, but that's a help. > > And, where does one find good maps online? What I'm looking for are > relief maps, with township and county borders, either new or old. I > use Google Earth, but for some reason town and city names don't show up > even though it seems to me I have the right boxes checked. Mapquest and > the like are some help, and topographical maps with all the little lines drive me bananas. > > Thanks for any help!! > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

In his Bible entries, my ancestor Mathias Snider says he was born (1757) in 'Barcks" Co., "Barne" Township, eight "Meilles" from Reading. I'm not sure where Berne Twp is in Berks Co., I'm thinking it includes the nw part of Reading. But would Bernville have been in the original Berne Township, which I believe was formed originally in Lancaster Co. Can anyone tell me in present-day terms where that's likely to have been? For the life of me I cannot find township maps for PA counties though I know I've seen them on the internet and I know there's a set of state maps that show the changes in county borders over the passing years. They are simply outline maps, but that's a help. And, where does one find good maps online? What I'm looking for are relief maps, with township and county borders, either new or old. I use Google Earth, but for some reason town and city names don't show up even though it seems to me I have the right boxes checked. Mapquest and the like are some help, and topographical maps with all the little lines drive me bananas. Thanks for any help!!

Thank you for The Gospel Messenger, January 4, 1887 and printed it. It's easiest to read at 128% on the computer screen. Very interesting! Can't wait to share it with the other members of our 270 and 300 Year Anniversary Committee. Thank you! Carol Jean ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money &amp; Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

Mike, You and others did not get a copy because your Internet Service Provider (ISP) will not allow for it. I got emails back from about six different ISPs containing the email addresses of over a dozen or so people stating that the file was too large. Your's was one of those emails that was returned. Refer to the email I sent out the evening of the mass email to the Brethren List. In that, in case you and others did not read it, it stated that if you did not get the file then there was a problem with your email provider. I sent it out to all those that responded in the allotted time and responded to me personally. Those who responded to the Brethren Mailing List did not get the file. Again refer to my two emails on the subject. Even then I am not too surprised to only hear from about seven or eight people a simple thank you. Along that same thought I am also not too surprised to not hear from people associated with historical societies who were on the list of recipients. It takes all kinds. Wayne Webb Editor: Brethren Roots ----- Original Message ----- > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 08:17:21 -0700 > From: "Mike Rose" <mjrose@uneedspeed.net> > Subject: Re: [BRE] Gospel Messenger > To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <00a601c88066$57f25d20$6501a8c0@mike> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Do not know why I did not get it, but would like a copy, > Thank You, > mjrose@uneedspeed.net > > Mike Rose

Would like a copy, please. Thanks cjh ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money &amp; Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

Come on people! Wayne went to a lot of trouble to provide that copy of the Gospel Messenger. If you're a recipient, the very least you can do is email him a big "Thank you"! Judy Meredith

I am interested in a copy. Thank you for your work and dedication. Jane Eisenbise Summers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Webb" <SpiWebb@aol.com> To: "Brethren Mailing List" <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 10:57 PM Subject: [BRE] Gospel Messenger Vol. 25, No. 1, Jan. 4, 1887(complete) #2 > Evening Folks, > > I will shortly be sending out that mass mailing of the above mentioned > first issue of 1887 of the Gospel Messenger. A few words to my fellow > list members before I do so. > > The list of recipients is pretty extensive and includes a couple of > people who were not able to locate my email address. And sorry to say > that I was not able to contact each and every person with acknowledgement > of the receipt of their email-there were just too many to respond to. Try > emailing roughly fifty to sixty people separately. > > Since it is a mass mailing I cannot guarantee that everyone will get > their copy. Neither can I control whether or not your email provider > blocks the email or not-the file is over eight megabyites in size. This > is out of my control. So if you receive this email through the Brethren > list and do not receive a personal email from me, with the attachment, > please contact your provider. > > It is also impossible for me to assist you in reading the attachment. > I use Acrobat because it is cross-platform capable. Even then there will > be differences in how it displays on your computer. Every day I pass > along PDF files to a circle of contacts and they never have a problem with > them so the same should apply to everyone else. > > Wayne Webb > Editor: Brethren Roots > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.6/1315 - Release Date: 3/6/2008 > 9:07 AM >

That would be great Robin. My email is newmangeorge@bellsouth.net Thank you. Sherry -- George and Sherry IN GOD WE TRUST -------------- Original message from Robin Poeschek <robinpoeschek@shaw.ca>: -------------- > Dear List, > > I have received the Gospel Messenger from Eric and would like to thank him > for sending it to me!! > > I would also like to thank Wayne Webb for all of the work involved in > providing this wonderful newspaper for us to enjoy. I can now see how my > ancestors might have read an article about a new place and decided to move > there. In a way it reminds me of how we are all connected through this list > serve. > > I have high speed cable and can easily send the Gospel Messenger to anyone > who missed the mailing. Just let me know! > > Thank you again!! > > Robin Poeschek > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.6/1315 - Release Date: 3/6/2008 > 9:07 AM > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Robin, I would like a copy also. Thank you so much Regards J. L. Strange, BA, CCHT, RMT Ask me about hypnotherapy or Reiki for pain relief, energy healing, spiritual emergency, past life regression. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)