Let me throw another theory into the mess from Berks County to Somerset County - in those years Elder George Adam Miller - while he moved first to the Antietam before going on to Brother's Valley - was originally from the general area including Berks -and we find a number of those who moved to Somerset were of his Pietistic frame of belief. (The Stony Creek Church had recorded problems between the Brethren and the Sabbatarians -those holding more to the Ephrata beliefs.) One of the pietist concepts was that of celibacy - "living with" was used in several of the statements about pietists practicing celibacy - when a couple men were living together as celibates. Again - ages are not given -but could we be seeing here a couple men holding to pietistic celibacy - living together? That doesn't mean that it continued forever - but for that period of time - and - at least with Elder Jacob Miller (who was in Brother's Valley from 1764-1766) the "living with" (Harshbarger Letter - in the Miami Valley in Ohio) seems to possibly be a "living nearby" - "living nextdoor" - "taking care of each other"!! Merle C Rummel > >> I thought I would pass this tidbit of information along regarding Francis >> Stump. It is from the Journal of Peter Liebundgutt (Livengood), a notable >> German Baptist from Somerset County. Peter was likely Amish prior to >> this, >> since a number of his children married into Amish families, and he >> emigrated >> from Berks County to Somerset County with a group of Amish. >> >> >> >> The entry is dated August 20, 1783, and the info of interest is this: "we >> have loaned John Miller money for keeping Frantz Stump namely". >> >> >> >> John Miller is likely my ancestor "Wounded" John Miller, who was Amish and >> sold his farm in Elk Lick Township to Peter Livengood about 1786. John >> emigrated from Berks County at about the same time as Peter Livengood. >> The >> implication of the journal entry is that Frantz was living with John >> Miller. >> That would imply that Frantz was young, and possibly an orphan. The >> interesting question is why would John borrow the money, and why would >> Peter >> lend it? >> >> >> >> I have noted in the past of property records from a decade earlier for a >> John Stump, who owned property adjacent the Rhoads family in the Glades >> area, which is some miles north of the original Miller property. >> Property >> maps of Somerset County show Francis had warranted property in 1785 very >> close to Peter Livengood in current Elk Lick Township. A neighbor of >> Peter >> was Michael Beeghley. On the other side of the Beeghley property was a >> John >> Stump. The maps also show Francis Stump and Christian Schrock owning >> property together in 1786 next to Henry Rhoads in current Summit Township >> (near Meyersdale). Christian Schrock was Amish, and his brother John >> married a daughter of John Miller. >> >> >> >> Bill Thomas >> >> >>

Also this could apply to a blind person (as in my Bechtel family in Somerset County) or a mentally handicapped person (as in my Shaffer family, also in Somerset County). Possibly money was borrowed with the knowledge that monies from an estate would become available as in the case of a minor child with a guardian, if the estate had not yet been settled. And it took a long time to settle estates in that mountain country in those days. Just some thoughts. John Shafer > From: lbooher6@woh.rr.com > To: brethren@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:19:32 -0500 > Subject: Re: [BRE] Francis Stump item > > Knowing nothing on this subject other than what I have read here...did the > journal specifically state this was a child? > > Could it not be that they were caring for an elderly man? One whose family > wasn't nearby? > > Mary Ann > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet Rogers" <rogers922@intrstar.net> > To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:04 PM > Subject: Re: [BRE] Francis Stump item > > > > The > > interesting question is why would John borrow the money, and why would > Peter > > lend it? > > > > Since I know nothing of this time frame or the habits of those in this > time, > > it did strike me though, if this child was indeed an orphan, that > depending > > upon his age, maybe someone was helping the orphan acquire needed tools > for > > an apprenticeship? Maybe to purchase a mule or a horse as transportation > to > > get to said apprenticeship? Would they have sent this orphan to a boarding > > school and needed funds for this purpose? (I strike that, I don't think an > > amish lad would be headed to a boarding school, not even for religious > > reasons)... > > > > Is there nothing in the Orphan Court records that could give light to > this? > > Was Livengood and Miller feel responsible for this child through > > relationship of Uncle (maybe the brother of the mother) - > > > > But you are correct, that one line can sure generate a whole bunch of > > questions. > > > > Many Blessings, > > Janet Rogers > > North Carolina > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "William Thomas" <wbtst2@atlanticbb.net> > > To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:57 PM > > Subject: [BRE] Francis Stump item > > > > > > >I thought I would pass this tidbit of information along regarding Francis > > > Stump. It is from the Journal of Peter Liebundgutt (Livengood), a > notable > > > German Baptist from Somerset County. Peter was likely Amish prior to > > > this, > > > since a number of his children married into Amish families, and he > > > emigrated > > > from Berks County to Somerset County with a group of Amish. > > > > > > > > > > > > The entry is dated August 20, 1783, and the info of interest is this: > "we > > > have loaned John Miller money for keeping Frantz Stump namely". > > > > > > > > > > > > John Miller is likely my ancestor "Wounded" John Miller, who was Amish > and > > > sold his farm in Elk Lick Township to Peter Livengood about 1786. John > > > emigrated from Berks County at about the same time as Peter Livengood. > > > The > > > implication of the journal entry is that Frantz was living with John > > > Miller. > > > That would imply that Frantz was young, and possibly an orphan. The > > > interesting question is why would John borrow the money, and why would > > > Peter > > > lend it? > > > > > > > > > > > > I have noted in the past of property records from a decade earlier for a > > > John Stump, who owned property adjacent the Rhoads family in the Glades > > > area, which is some miles north of the original Miller property. > > > Property > > > maps of Somerset County show Francis had warranted property in 1785 very > > > close to Peter Livengood in current Elk Lick Township. A neighbor of > > > Peter > > > was Michael Beeghley. On the other side of the Beeghley property was a > > > John > > > Stump. The maps also show Francis Stump and Christian Schrock owning > > > property together in 1786 next to Henry Rhoads in current Summit > Township > > > (near Meyersdale). 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Knowing nothing on this subject other than what I have read here...did the journal specifically state this was a child? Could it not be that they were caring for an elderly man? One whose family wasn't nearby? Mary Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Rogers" <rogers922@intrstar.net> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Francis Stump item > The > interesting question is why would John borrow the money, and why would Peter > lend it? > > Since I know nothing of this time frame or the habits of those in this time, > it did strike me though, if this child was indeed an orphan, that depending > upon his age, maybe someone was helping the orphan acquire needed tools for > an apprenticeship? Maybe to purchase a mule or a horse as transportation to > get to said apprenticeship? Would they have sent this orphan to a boarding > school and needed funds for this purpose? (I strike that, I don't think an > amish lad would be headed to a boarding school, not even for religious > reasons)... > > Is there nothing in the Orphan Court records that could give light to this? > Was Livengood and Miller feel responsible for this child through > relationship of Uncle (maybe the brother of the mother) - > > But you are correct, that one line can sure generate a whole bunch of > questions. > > Many Blessings, > Janet Rogers > North Carolina > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Thomas" <wbtst2@atlanticbb.net> > To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:57 PM > Subject: [BRE] Francis Stump item > > > >I thought I would pass this tidbit of information along regarding Francis > > Stump. It is from the Journal of Peter Liebundgutt (Livengood), a notable > > German Baptist from Somerset County. Peter was likely Amish prior to > > this, > > since a number of his children married into Amish families, and he > > emigrated > > from Berks County to Somerset County with a group of Amish. > > > > > > > > The entry is dated August 20, 1783, and the info of interest is this: "we > > have loaned John Miller money for keeping Frantz Stump namely". > > > > > > > > John Miller is likely my ancestor "Wounded" John Miller, who was Amish and > > sold his farm in Elk Lick Township to Peter Livengood about 1786. John > > emigrated from Berks County at about the same time as Peter Livengood. > > The > > implication of the journal entry is that Frantz was living with John > > Miller. > > That would imply that Frantz was young, and possibly an orphan. The > > interesting question is why would John borrow the money, and why would > > Peter > > lend it? > > > > > > > > I have noted in the past of property records from a decade earlier for a > > John Stump, who owned property adjacent the Rhoads family in the Glades > > area, which is some miles north of the original Miller property. > > Property > > maps of Somerset County show Francis had warranted property in 1785 very > > close to Peter Livengood in current Elk Lick Township. A neighbor of > > Peter > > was Michael Beeghley. On the other side of the Beeghley property was a > > John > > Stump. The maps also show Francis Stump and Christian Schrock owning > > property together in 1786 next to Henry Rhoads in current Summit Township > > (near Meyersdale). Christian Schrock was Amish, and his brother John > > married a daughter of John Miller. > > > > > > > > Bill Thomas > > > > > > ------------------------ > > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > > ------------------------ > > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > > ------------------------ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG. > > Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1325 - Release Date: 3/11/2008 > > 1:41 PM > > > > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The interesting question is why would John borrow the money, and why would Peter lend it? Since I know nothing of this time frame or the habits of those in this time, it did strike me though, if this child was indeed an orphan, that depending upon his age, maybe someone was helping the orphan acquire needed tools for an apprenticeship? Maybe to purchase a mule or a horse as transportation to get to said apprenticeship? Would they have sent this orphan to a boarding school and needed funds for this purpose? (I strike that, I don't think an amish lad would be headed to a boarding school, not even for religious reasons)... Is there nothing in the Orphan Court records that could give light to this? Was Livengood and Miller feel responsible for this child through relationship of Uncle (maybe the brother of the mother) - But you are correct, that one line can sure generate a whole bunch of questions. Many Blessings, Janet Rogers North Carolina ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Thomas" <wbtst2@atlanticbb.net> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:57 PM Subject: [BRE] Francis Stump item >I thought I would pass this tidbit of information along regarding Francis > Stump. It is from the Journal of Peter Liebundgutt (Livengood), a notable > German Baptist from Somerset County. Peter was likely Amish prior to > this, > since a number of his children married into Amish families, and he > emigrated > from Berks County to Somerset County with a group of Amish. > > > > The entry is dated August 20, 1783, and the info of interest is this: "we > have loaned John Miller money for keeping Frantz Stump namely". > > > > John Miller is likely my ancestor "Wounded" John Miller, who was Amish and > sold his farm in Elk Lick Township to Peter Livengood about 1786. John > emigrated from Berks County at about the same time as Peter Livengood. > The > implication of the journal entry is that Frantz was living with John > Miller. > That would imply that Frantz was young, and possibly an orphan. The > interesting question is why would John borrow the money, and why would > Peter > lend it? > > > > I have noted in the past of property records from a decade earlier for a > John Stump, who owned property adjacent the Rhoads family in the Glades > area, which is some miles north of the original Miller property. > Property > maps of Somerset County show Francis had warranted property in 1785 very > close to Peter Livengood in current Elk Lick Township. A neighbor of > Peter > was Michael Beeghley. On the other side of the Beeghley property was a > John > Stump. The maps also show Francis Stump and Christian Schrock owning > property together in 1786 next to Henry Rhoads in current Summit Township > (near Meyersdale). Christian Schrock was Amish, and his brother John > married a daughter of John Miller. > > > > Bill Thomas > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1325 - Release Date: 3/11/2008 > 1:41 PM > >

I thought I would pass this tidbit of information along regarding Francis Stump. It is from the Journal of Peter Liebundgutt (Livengood), a notable German Baptist from Somerset County. Peter was likely Amish prior to this, since a number of his children married into Amish families, and he emigrated from Berks County to Somerset County with a group of Amish. The entry is dated August 20, 1783, and the info of interest is this: "we have loaned John Miller money for keeping Frantz Stump namely". John Miller is likely my ancestor "Wounded" John Miller, who was Amish and sold his farm in Elk Lick Township to Peter Livengood about 1786. John emigrated from Berks County at about the same time as Peter Livengood. The implication of the journal entry is that Frantz was living with John Miller. That would imply that Frantz was young, and possibly an orphan. The interesting question is why would John borrow the money, and why would Peter lend it? I have noted in the past of property records from a decade earlier for a John Stump, who owned property adjacent the Rhoads family in the Glades area, which is some miles north of the original Miller property. Property maps of Somerset County show Francis had warranted property in 1785 very close to Peter Livengood in current Elk Lick Township. A neighbor of Peter was Michael Beeghley. On the other side of the Beeghley property was a John Stump. The maps also show Francis Stump and Christian Schrock owning property together in 1786 next to Henry Rhoads in current Summit Township (near Meyersdale). Christian Schrock was Amish, and his brother John married a daughter of John Miller. Bill Thomas

> Capt Henry Roth/Rhoads did not have a brother named Solomon. He had a son > named Solomon. > > > Capt Henry Rhoads Jr - had both a brother named Solomon and a son named Solomon - A History Of Muhlenberg County HENRY RHOADS "THE GODFATHER OF MUHLENBERG" Henry Rhoads died on the 6th of March or May, 1814, aged seventy-five. His "last will and testament" was written April 15, 1812, witnessed by "J. W. McConnell and Wm. Sumner." It was recorded in 1813 and probated in August, 1814, as attested by "C. F. Wing, Clerk," in Will Book No. 1, page 194: In the name of God, Amen. I, Henry Rhoads, of the county of Muhlenberg and State of Kentucky, being weak in body but of perfect mind and memory, do make and ordain this my last will and testament. First, I recommend my soul to the Almighty God, and as touching my worldly effects wherewith He has helped me, I give and dispose of them in the following manner. First, I give and bequeath to my beloved wife Barbay Rhoads all the property she brought with her after we were married, agreeable to contract, and one cow, a large heifer and one iron pot and the corner cupboard and chest and my large Bible, and the low posted bedstead, one large and one small wheel including all the furniture we have got since we were married. I also give and bequeath to my beloved wife Barbay all that is allowed to her agreeable to the courts of a bond on my son David Rhoads bearing date August 23, 1810. Secondly, I give and bequeath all my debts, dues and demands and all the property I own in this world except what is expressly mentioned in this my last will to my children, namely my sons, Jacob Rhoads, Daniel Rhoads, Henry Rhoads, Solomon Rhoads, David Rhoads, Susanah Nighmyoir and Caty Jackson, Elizabeth VanMeter and Hannah Jackson, all my daughters, to be equally divided among them, at the discretion of my executors at my decease. Lastly, I do hereby nominate and appoint my brother Daniel Rhoads and Solomon Rhoads and David Rhoads as executors of my last will and testament, hereby ratifying and confirming this and no other to be my last will and testament, hereby revoking all other wills by me made as witness and seal this 15th day of April in the year of our Lord 1812 and the presence of viz: Henry Rhoads. (Seal) [2]

Capt Henry Roth/Rhoads did not have a brother named Solomon. He had a son named Solomon. Marcy _urahne1@aol.com_ (mailto:urahne1@aol.com) **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

Keith - there were Keithley families - mostly down at Drakes Creek church - south of Bowling Green - or southeast of the Muhlenberg Churches I don't make a connection for Joss My address is: PO Box 14 Boston IN 47324 Merle C Rummel > Merle, My son brought me - what he thinks will be the last of the Stump boxes yesterday - and just hurriedly checking them I see the names of KEITH, (or Keath) and Joss or Jass in Muhlenburg - in late 1700s -- that Keith may account for the name "Abner" coming down in the family as middle name. I'm only hoping for some censii records - this would really help. > >

All, Would anyone mind sending me a copy of the Gospel Messenger previously sent from Mr. Wayne Webb? I too missed the deadline. Please send to: jennifer.matiyasic.ctr@darpa.mil and /or missjenns@gmail.com If needed, once I receive a copy I can .zip the file if it's too large for certain ISP's and attempt to resend to whoever requests a copy. Thank you in advance. Jenn Jenn Jennifer L. Matiyasic DARPA SETA/Strategic Technologies Office (STO) SRA International, Inc. Phone: 571.218.4806 Cell: 571.246.6941 Fax: 703.516.8743 -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of HvCr9@aol.com Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 11:07 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] Gospel Messenger Thank you for The Gospel Messenger, January 4, 1887 and printed it. It's easiest to read at 128% on the computer screen. Very interesting! Can't wait to share it with the other members of our 270 and 300 Year Anniversary Committee. Thank you! Carol Jean ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money &amp; Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would have been GREATLY interested if I could have seen this on time. I am so sorry, Iris On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Wayne Webb <SpiWebb@aol.com> wrote: > Morning Fellow List Members, > > I have decided to share some of my dearly held treasures. To that end > I am willing to send a mass mailing to anyone who would like a digital copy > of the Gospel Messenger for the week of January 4, 1887. > > To keep it manageable for myself I request that those interested email > me privately, not wishing to clog this list, and I will post to all at one > shot. I will send it out tomorrow evening at midnight. Those who send in > their request after that time will be left out in the cold. > > So if you are interested email me privately. > > Wayne Webb > Editor: Brethren Roots > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am sorry I did not respond sooner to this. I have not been able to be on computer a whole lot due to some health conditions. I will read this and I thank you Judith for pointing this out and to Wayne for sending it! My Best, Iris On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 11:11 PM, judith meredith <ja.meredith@verizon.net> wrote: > Come on people! Wayne went to a lot of trouble to provide that copy of the > Gospel Messenger. If you're a recipient, the very least you can do is > email > him a big "Thank you"! > > > > Judy Meredith > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I was planning on making a trip there this summer to meet her and talk more with her about my genealogy.....She always took time for the individual. She has left a "hole" in many of our lives but we know she has a wonderful mansion and is smiling with love at the words that all speak on her behalf. We have been blessed to have her be a part of our physical lives. On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 9:13 AM, Janet Hall <janlcpc@mchsi.com> wrote: > Yes, thanks so much for sharing. I too am saddened to hear of her > passing. > It only takes a spark to light a genealogical fire, thus was the case for > me > as I would know little about the early years of the Royer family if Gladys > had not shared with me our family connection. What an inspiration!! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Iris Wilde" <i.bridgeofhope@gmail.com> > To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 7:36 AM > Subject: Re: [BRE] Gladys Royer > > > > this saddens me greatly too. She was an incredible help to me and I do > > look > > forward to meeting her Spirit someday. Thanks you for sharing this, Iris > > > > On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 5:14 PM, geshoneyman <ghoneyman@woh.rr.com> > wrote: > > > >> It is with a sad heart that I send this anouncment to the Brethren > list. > >> Gladys (Cool) Royer was a member of our Brethren genealogical > community > >> and > >> the author of several family books. She was both a distant Spitler > >> cousin > >> and friend. > >> Gale Honeyman > >> > >> Gladys I. Royer > >> March 8, 1930-March 5, 2008 > >> Gladys I. Royer, 25457 C.R. 32, Goshen, died Wednesday > >> at 12:24 p.m. at her home. > >> Surviving are her husband, Dale L. Royer; three sons, > >> Allen (Patricia) Royer, Goshen, Mark (Lou) Royer, > >> Modesto, Calif., and Melvin (Barbara) Royer, Marion; > >> and two daughters, Karen (Leonard) Meador, Rossville, > >> and Diane (Doug) Reavis, North Manchester. > >> Friends may call from 2 to 5 and 6 to 8 p.m. Saturday > >> at Yoder-Culp Funeral Home, Goshen. > >> There will be a prayer service at the funeral home > >> Sunday at 1 p.m. > >> The funeral service will begin at 2 p.m. Sunday at the > >> Old German Baptist Brethren Church, Goshen. > >> Burial will be in the Old German Baptist Brethren > >> Church Cemetery, Goshen. > >> Goshen News, 6 Mar 2008 > >> > >> ------------------------ > >> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > >> ------------------------ > >> Support Our Sponsoring Agency > >> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > >> For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > >> ------------------------ > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------ > > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > > ------------------------ > > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > > ------------------------ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.6/1315 - Release Date: > 3/6/2008 > > 9:07 AM > > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I thought that the following might be useful to people researching the Kalckglasser family. Christophel Kalckglasser isn't mentioned in the will but I don't know whether he necessarily was deceased at that time. Perhaps his father, for whatever reasons, decided to leave him out of the will. David Myers -------------------------- Will Abstracts 1721-1819: Lancaster Co, PA (Contributed for use in USGenWeb Archives by Thera): KALKGLOSCO, JOHN HENRY Twp. omitted. October 20, 1746 --- 1748 Wife: (name omitted). Children: Jacob and Manuel. Legatees: Community of Ephrata and others. N.B. This will was not copied on records, nor does there appear to be any mention of its having been probated - the year only appearing on indexes. The original is on file. Ex.: (omitted).

Dwayne, You probably already have this information but perhaps not. David Myers ------------------ Will Abstracts 1721-1819: Lancaster Co, PA (Contributed for use in USGenWeb Archives by Thera): KIPPING, JOHN Warwick Twp. January 3, 1757 December 18, 1757 Children: (names and number not given). Son-in-law: George Koch. Ex.: George Koch and John Huber. ------------------ On Sun, 9 Mar 2008 17:39:37 -0400 "Dwayne Wrightsman" <dwayne55@comcast.net> writes: > The name Kipping has a number of variations including Kippinger, > Keppinger, > Kuppinger, Kueppinger, Kuepping, and possibly others. > > I know my query deals with very early Brethren history, but hope > someone > might have an insight on some aspect of this. > > Thanks. > > Dwayne Wrightsman

Thanks to all of you who forwarded a copy of Wayne's Gospel Messanger. I appreciate each and every one of you for taking time to help me out and an especially big thank you to Wayne for making it available to us. I have not had time to do more than a quick look but I hope to spend more time with it this week Again thanks to all of you for your consideration. -- George and Sherry IN GOD WE TRUST -------------- Original message from "Janet Hall" <janlcpc@mchsi.com>: -------------- > I just finished reading the Gospel Messanger and it is wonderful. Thanks so > much Wayne for forwarding it on to us. And - I would be interested in a paid > subription for other issues if it is in the offering and affortable to us > retired folks. > > Janet > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "judith meredith" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:11 PM > Subject: [BRE] Thank yours! > > > > Come on people! Wayne went to a lot of trouble to provide that copy of the > > Gospel Messenger. If you're a recipient, the very least you can do is > > email > > him a big "Thank you"! > > > > > > > > Judy Meredith > > > > > > ------------------------ > > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > > ------------------------ > > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > > ------------------------ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.6/1317 - Release Date: 3/7/2008 > > 8:15 AM > > > > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Thanks - this confirms data ****************************** > 1. 1683 Germans to Germantown, Phila. Suburb -this - date of Mennonite migration to New World - settlement became known as "German" town - i.e. Germantown PA ******************************* > Other surnames taken from land records and some marriage records - all in Muhlenberg Co. KY during the tenure of Elder Francis Stump: Jacob Rhoads; D. Kimmel (apparent male married C. HUNSACKER) numerous spellings such as Hunsinger, etc.; Geo. Hunsaker (perhaps one named in Francis' Will). > a few of the given names of Brethren in the Muhlenberg Co area - according to Rolland Flory - there were 3 regions (churches) of Brethren ******************************** > Many more Ripples, Willis, Washabaughs (no indication they were Brethren); Roth (assumed to be Rhoads); Barbara (assumed daughter of Elder Francis Stump married a Frampton); > Ripple - could be transliteration of Brethren family - Ruble - Ribble - known elsewhere ******************************* > The first land purchase of Elder Francis Stump was from a Rhoads > Captain Henry Rhoads settled first (1784) at the "Falls of the Green" River - now Vienna KY - lost it due to faulty land titles (Solomon Rhoads - brother - was a surveyor/lawyer) - moved south on Pond River and took 2500 Acre Military Grant - Bremen and Sacramento KY - the "Dutch Settlement" (I suspect I have this date somewhere.) ********************************* > My feeling is that the Ripples and Washabaughs - (married to Stump family members) were not Brethren - or they left the Brethren beliefs when they emigrated to Edgar and Clark Counties, Illinois. My husband's records of the blood line descent from David (Washabaugh) Stump and wife Catharine Ripple are quite complete. There are many related collateral lines which show no association with Brethren records. > What is the time of this migration? - the "Revival" - "Reformation" - the Brethren acceptance of the Campbellite Christian Church beliefs occurred between 1810 and early 1820s. The Disciples of Christ Churches that resulted, were formed mostly closer to 1840. Merle C Rummel

Merle, My son brought me - what he thinks will be the last of the Stump boxes yesterday - and just hurriedly checking them I see the names of KEITH, (or Keath) and Joss or Jass in Muhlenburg - in late 1700s -- that Keith may account for the name "Abner" coming down in the family as middle name. I'm only hoping for some censii records - this would really help. If you don't mind, will you give me your street and town address? There are a few papers may help you that I can't quite get scanned. I can put them in regular (snail) mail. Thanks again Liz Stump ----- Original Message ---- From: Merle C Rummel <cliff@rtkonline.com> To: brethren@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 6:01:33 AM Subject: Re: [BRE] Notes re Muhlenberg County Brethren Thanks - this confirms data ****************************** > 1. 1683 Germans to Germantown, Phila. Suburb -this - date of Mennonite migration to New World - settlement became known as "German" town - i.e. Germantown PA ******************************* > Other surnames taken from land records and some marriage records - all in Muhlenberg Co. KY during the tenure of Elder Francis Stump: Jacob Rhoads; D. Kimmel (apparent male married C. HUNSACKER) numerous spellings such as Hunsinger, etc.; Geo. Hunsaker (perhaps one named in Francis' Will). > a few of the given names of Brethren in the Muhlenberg Co area - according to Rolland Flory - there were 3 regions (churches) of Brethren ******************************** > Many more Ripples, Willis, Washabaughs (no indication they were Brethren); Roth (assumed to be Rhoads); Barbara (assumed daughter of Elder Francis Stump married a Frampton); > Ripple - could be transliteration of Brethren family - Ruble - Ribble - known elsewhere ******************************* > The first land purchase of Elder Francis Stump was from a Rhoads > Captain Henry Rhoads settled first (1784) at the "Falls of the Green" River - now Vienna KY - lost it due to faulty land titles (Solomon Rhoads - brother - was a surveyor/lawyer) - moved south on Pond River and took 2500 Acre Military Grant - Bremen and Sacramento KY - the "Dutch Settlement" (I suspect I have this date somewhere.) ********************************* > My feeling is that the Ripples and Washabaughs - (married to Stump family members) were not Brethren - or they left the Brethren beliefs when they emigrated to Edgar and Clark Counties, Illinois. My husband's records of the blood line descent from David (Washabaugh) Stump and wife Catharine Ripple are quite complete. There are many related collateral lines which show no association with Brethren records. > What is the time of this migration? - the "Revival" - "Reformation" - the Brethren acceptance of the Campbellite Christian Church beliefs occurred between 1810 and early 1820s. The Disciples of Christ Churches that resulted, were formed mostly closer to 1840. Merle C Rummel ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Did anyone respond? If not, here's a great site. http://www.mypennsylvaniagenealogy.com/pa_maps/pa_cf.htm Sharon Mills ----- Original Message ----- >

I think I read somewhere that the Johannes and Johanna KIPPING family has been researched by the German scholar, Marcus Meier, and wonder if anyone knows about this research and how it can be accessed. Meier was a visiting scholar at Elizabethtown College some years ago. Johannes and Johanna Kipping were among the eight original members of the Brethren baptized in 1708. They immigrated with family members on the Ship Allen in 1729. Other men on the Ship Allen were married to their daughters, John George Koch and Christian Kropf among them. Andreas Kropf married one of the Kipping daughters soon after arrival. I suspect, but have no proof, that Ship Allen passengers Johannes Petticoffer and Johannes Slaughter may have also been related by marriage to the Kipping family. Soon after arrival the Kippings, Kochs, and Kropfs bought land and were recorded as members of the Conestoga Congregation in the area near Cocalico, Ephrata, and Warwick in Lancaster County. The Petticoffers and Slaughters settled in Germantown. Later the Petticoffers removed to Ephrata. The Slaughters remained in Germantown. I very much want to learn about Johannes Slaughter's wife Catherine. Although she left her husband in 1750, she was nevertheless named in his will of 1759. Was Catherine Slaughter born a Kipping, or possibly a Kropf? The name Kipping has a number of variations including Kippinger, Keppinger, Kuppinger, Kueppinger, Kuepping, and possibly others. I know my query deals with very early Brethren history, but hope someone might have an insight on some aspect of this. Thanks. Dwayne Wrightsman

This list is wonderful. I've gotten the file (thank you again). Ads in old papers also interest me. I noticed they offered Church Registers-- I wish my church of interest had records from 1700-early 1800! Thank you Wayne for sharing this. Judy Florian On 3/8/08, Judy Florian <cageycat@gmail.com> wrote: > > I would also appreciate a copy. It's rare that I can read all emails on > the same day I receive them. So I, too, missed the deadline. If anyone > gets a chance, could you forward me a copy. > > Thank you. Wayne does so much to preserve Brethren history. > > Judy > > >