Thanks Wayne for the Gospel Messenger you emailed me. It's wonderful. Lee Ann Davis **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

`Heinrich/Henry Roth/Rhoads who died in 1774 had a son Henry Jr. aka Capt. Henry. Capt. Henry had a son named Solomon. Capt. Henry's son Henry was not known in the family as Capt. Jr. Marcy _urahne1@aol.com_ (mailto:urahne1@aol.com) **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

Another member of the Brethren genealogical community has passed. Gerald of Bradford Ohio, was the author of and contributor to several books and a periodical. Gerald C. Wagoner Sr., 75, of Bradford, passed away at his home surrounded by family Tuesday, March 11, 2008. He was born July 31, 1932, in Englewood, to the late Floyd R. and Mary Cecil (Denlinger) Wagoner. He attended Englewood Schools. He married Ruby Miller on April 18, 1954, in Englewood, and they began a wonderful partnership and family together. He was employed in earlier years by Roadway Express and then retired from Hobart Corporation in Troy. He was an active member of the Brethren Charity Fund, for which he was one of the founding members. He had a heart for people and a deep concern for the well-being of his fellow man. He was a member of the Old German Baptist Brethren Church, Sugar Grove District, Covington. He will be missed and remembered by his faithful companion, Ruby Arlene (Miller) Wagoner of Bradford; daughters and son-in-law, Darlene Angle of Covington and Vicki and Scott Brown of Troy; sons and daughters-in-law, Gerald "Gerry" and Nancy Wagoner Jr. of Piqua and Eric and Monica Wagoner of Covington; 14 grandchildren, Chad Angle of Covington, Brandy Deaton of West Alexandria, Britton Angle of Covington, Lance Miller of West Milton, Robby Miller of Troy, Star Miller of Troy, Hannah Murray of Troy, Joshua Brown of Piqua, Dylan Wagoner of Covington, Nathan Wagoner of Piqua, and Meagan Wagoner, Haley Wagoner, Shaina Wagoner and Jenson Wagoner, all of Covington; four great-grandchildren, Cameron Deaton, Corbin Deaton, Tanner Deaton and Jacob Murray; brothers, Carl Wagoner of Covington and Glen Wagoner of Englewood; and extended family and friends. He was preceded in death and met in heaven by his parents and his sister, Mildred Bowman. Funeral services will be at 10 a.m. Friday at the Old German Baptist Brethren Church, Sugar Grove District, Covington, with the Home Brethren officiating. Calling hours will be from 2-5 p.m. and 6-8 p.m. Thursday at the Pearson-Jackson Funeral Home, 10 S. High St., Covington. Contributions, if so desired, can be made to the Brethren Charity Fund. Condolences also may be expressed to www.jacksonfuneralhomes.com. Troy Daily News, 12 Mar 2008 Gale Honeyman

Per his journal, Harmon Husband purchased property from Jacob Newmayer and Henry Rhoads in 1772 along Rhoads Creek (which he notes was previously called Newmayer's Creek) in the Glades area of Somerset County. One would assume Rhoads and Newmayer had some form of association. John Stump was a witness on the sale transaction. Bill Thomas

I actually helped Austin Cooper some, as he worked on the Two Centuries book - he gave me a signed copy, and I am very familiar with what it says. I have thoroughly gone through his list of Kentucky Migration -some of the names I cannot find, but of others, I have proved that some of the names given do NOT go to Muhlenberg Co - some even go to Ohio instead of Kentucky (although it could be argued that they First went to Kentucky - Then to Ohio!). A rough guess is that maybe half the names he gave -went to western Kentucky - some of those to Drakes Creek of Warren and Simpson Counties, and others to Pond River and Mud River of Muhlenberg and Logan Counties. Thanks - I will take a look at the sites you mention Merle C Rummel > > #3 Have you ever had contact with the John Vought (Vaught) Family Assn.? On the net maintained by mvyoung@shawneelink.com. In an old Archives Ref/ from LDS Library in Salt Lake City Vaught mentioned "probably 100 families first Brethren Settlers in Muhlenberg Co. KY." The Vaught assn material takes info from Chapter 11 of "Two Centuries of Brothers Valley." would it be worthwhile to try and find this Article? > >

I apologize for what I know this is a poorly phrased question, the type I generally hate, but can anyone tell me anything more about Jacob Newmyer (et. var.), supposedly, ca. 1734-84. Hamilton, p172, mentions the Stony Creek congregation at Brothers Valley Twp, with original membership consisting of the families of, Rev. George Adam Martin and wife, Henry Roth and wife and daughter, Henry Roth, jr. and wife, George Newmoyer, Philip Oswald and wife and daughter, Abraham Gebel and wife, Philip Kimmel and wife, Mr. Widdebarger and wife. This church is the offspring of Ephrata (Hamilton, citing; vol.1 - PA, p89, Edwards, Morgan. "Materials Toward a History of the American Baptists," Phila, PA: 1770). I suspect Jacob is related to George Newmoyer, but have little evidence of this. I found that on 5 Jul 1762, a Jacob Nighmyer, took out a survey warrant for 150 acres in Antrim Twp, about the same time Henry Rhoads and George Martin did. This land was surveyed for Jacob Neighmier in 1766, so appearently he was vested in the land and it was patented in 1796 by Nicholos Beedinger, so he did not remain on the land, or died there and the land was sold. His son Peter Newmyer (the only child I'm aware of) married in 1783 to Susannah Rhoads, the daugher of Henry Rhoads and Elizabeth Stoner mentioned above. So, I have what I think are a few associations with members of the Stony Creek Congregation, but no direct evidence of, or knowledge of when he died and what his connection to George might be. Sincerely, Glen Swartz **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

He is the Jonathan H. Swihart written about in the Brethren Elncyclopedia page 1245. Parents are Jonathon and Elizabeth Metz Swihart. He married Mary Schillinger in 1861. He is not my line. I am only interested because of his Bourbon connection. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John and Marilyn Murray" <jfmurray@netnitco.net> > Does anyone know who this Jonathan Swihart was. I have 3 who might fit. > I > collect Swihart information because they are descendants of my Neff line. > > John Murray >

I'm not sure of the relationship, but John Stoner, probably the son of Abraham Stoner from Maryland, began the Morrisons Cove/Martinsburg branch of the River Brethren in 1827. He was a Brother-in-law to my ancestor Daniel Kensinger. Ken> From: rogers922@intrstar.net> To: brethren@rootsweb.com> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:11:09 -0400> Subject: Re: [BRE] Michael Stoner> > Since Stoner was an important Brethren family in early Maryland, who is> > this Michael Stoner?> > > Please include me in this answer as I have a collateral line of Stoner that > I don't have the foggiest idea of where to begin. This information would be > most helpful to me as well. Thank you Merle for bringing it up.> > Blessings,> Janet Rogers> North Carolina > > > ------------------------> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN> ------------------------> Support Our Sponsoring Agency> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG)> For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com> ------------------------> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx

Recently I have found these lists for Shenandoah Co. still exist at the Library of Virginia, and wonder if anyone knows if they have been published before?? 6 petitions from 18th century 1776, 1786, 1793, and 1796 2 petitions from the 19th century, 1826 and 1834 Richard B.

Last year I posted a query about Jonathan H. Swihart and learned he went with the Progressives in the 1882(?) split. Today in our local archives (Marshall County Indiana) I found a publication done by the Senior High Camp at Shipshewana on the Brethren Church in Indiana. This History was put together in 6 days according to the Foreward which was written by Barry Graham. As I was leafing through the book, I noted the name J. H. Swihart and Jonathan Swihart under 7 different histories for serving as pastor. Just in case anyone might be interested. Those churches are (no particular order and not all gave a date) Loree 1883-1887 Corinth College Corner Salem and Burlington Bryan Mexico 1888-1891 Roann

Hi, Does anyone know who this Jonathan Swihart was. I have 3 who might fit. I collect Swihart information because they are descendants of my Neff line. Best regards, John Murray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karin Rettinger" <krettinger@hoosierlink.net> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 5:22 PM Subject: [BRE] Jonathan H. Swihart > Last year I posted a query about Jonathan H. Swihart and learned he > went > with the Progressives in the 1882(?) split. Today in our local archives > (Marshall County Indiana) I found a publication done by the Senior High > Camp > at Shipshewana on the Brethren Church in Indiana. This History was put > together in 6 days according to the Foreward which was written by Barry > Graham. As I was leafing through the book, I noted the name J. H. Swihart > and Jonathan Swihart under 7 different histories for serving as pastor. > > Just in case anyone might be interested. > > Those churches are (no particular order and not all gave a date) > > Loree 1883-1887 > Corinth > College Corner > Salem and Burlington > Bryan > Mexico 1888-1891 > Roann > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Go to Google and put in Michael Stoner and click on Michael Stoner, the Frontiersman who was always there. Thanks for the song. Pat. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "winter dellenbach" <wintergery@earthlink.net> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Michael Stoner > Folks, regarding Michael Stoner, see below for an email I sent to you > all a few months ago re: a song about Daniel Boone and the Wilderness > Rd. Review the lyrics and you will find a Michael Stoner, seemingly of > some fame. > winter

Big error - I was thinking of George Adam Martin - Merle > There was a group of Berks County Amish who lived near the Northkill Creek > area. They came to Somerset County about 1771. Families in this migration > included Miller's, Gnaegi, Lehman, Speicher and Zug, among others, and of > course Peter Livengood. The Miller contingent included Nicholas Miller > (John Miller's brother), and Michael Miller (a nephew of John, and son of > Jacob Miller). > > If you believe Austin Cooper's account, the Brethren were in Somerset County > in 1762. > > I don't know of any connection between this Miller family (which was > definitely Amish), and Jacob Miller who was Brethren. > > -----Original Message----- > From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Merle C Rummel > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 6:31 AM > To: brethren@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BRE] Francis Stump item > > Let me throw another theory into the mess > > from Berks County to Somerset County - in those years > > Elder George Adam Miller - while he moved first to the Antietam before > going on to Brother's Valley - was originally from the general area > including Berks -and we find a number of those who moved to Somerset > were of his Pietistic frame of belief. (The Stony Creek Church had > recorded problems between the Brethren and the Sabbatarians -those > holding more to the Ephrata beliefs.) > > One of the pietist concepts was that of celibacy - "living with" was > used in several of the statements about pietists practicing celibacy - > when a couple men were living together as celibates. Again - ages are > not given -but could we be seeing here a couple men holding to pietistic > celibacy - living together? > > That doesn't mean that it continued forever - but for that period of > time - and - at least with Elder Jacob Miller (who was in Brother's > Valley from 1764-1766) the "living with" (Harshbarger Letter - in the > Miami Valley in Ohio) seems to possibly be a "living nearby" - "living > nextdoor" - "taking care of each other"!! > > Merle C Rummel > >

Hi Merle, here I am again - throwing my offering into the "mess" of Stump early Brethren. #1. Is the message about Franz Stump entering a theory that he is THE Francis Stump, or either the son, brother or nephew? Or is Franz just a new entry in the pile of questions????? #2. This may be my penultimate e-mail to you referring to trying to find the names and numbers of families who left Muhlenberg Co. KY and emigrated to Clarke and Edgar Counties, Ill. as a body (or group) during the period 1820 to about 1825-30. #3 Have you ever had contact with the John Vought (Vaught) Family Assn.? On the net maintained by mvyoung@shawneelink.com. In an old Archives Ref/ from LDS Library in Salt Lake City Vaught mentioned "probably 100 families first Brethren Settlers in Muhlenberg Co. KY." The Vaught assn material takes info from Chapter 11 of "Two Centuries of Brothers Valley." would it be worthwhile to try and find this Article? Some of these notes seem to have been duplicated and I am not sure if I have sent them to you or not - hope you won't mind - if I consider them interesting and perhaps helpful I do want to get them to you. 1683 Germans to Germantown - Phila. 1714 German redemptioners sent to Falls of Rappahannock and became Colony of Germanna. 1732 Justus Hite (German) led group from Hork PA to Wincheser, Va. More possible names Hite, Solomon Rhoades solemnized marriage of Jacob Rhoades (perhaps son of Daniel) to Eliz. Ripple in Muhlenberg Co. KY. 1809 bu date is questionable - from Marriage Records Bk 1 Muhlenberg Co. Eliz. Ripple Rhoads born 27 Oct. 1788 Northampton PA died 29 Sept. 1862 buried Ogden Cemetery, Edgar Co. Ill. Rhoades (Roth) and Willis surnames - to me - have not connected to Brethren. Then when I find some of my husband's Francis' line marrying one of those names, I tend to think they would have been among those moving up to Illinois. David Washabaugh Stump was one of them who bought several pieces of land in Edgar County, IL in 1830s and apparently died in Edgar County in the 1840s. But, so far, no death or burial record. The William McClay Chapter, Sons of Revo. published "Susquanna Tales" in 1955 ref. Penna. beginning with 1668 in which "hunsicker is mentioned several times - never a given name, but during the period between 1700 and 1769 - when Francis Stump seemed to be in Penna., going via VA and on into KY. In Annals of Buffalo Valley - Conrad Weiser is called "German Counterpart of William Penn. Was William Penn a Brethren? Half a page of handwritten notes "The Ky. migration 1785 og 202 & 203 Oeter Becker, settled in Logan Co. - John & Eliz. Vaught Logan Co.; David Rhoads brother of former "Capt. Henry: Abraham Vaught mar. Eliza Bell 1808 dau. of William (Wm. Bell guardian to David Washabaugh) in KY ;; Polly Vaught mar. Adam Hunsacker - more, but has been drawn through . Many of such notes, I cannot recognize the handwriting. However, some of the facts I find in letters from Researchers my husband had paid. In the middle of some of the Sims Cemetery, records of Edgar Co. IL - relatives of David Washabaugh Stump buried there - with a question mark. I realize I've jumped back and forth on this. But --- Two pages of "History of Somerset County", PA - more names of Washabaughs, Millers, Penrods ---Francis Stump there in Elk Lick Twp from 1783-1799 - he sold his farm there and moved to Fayette Co. PA. then 1801 he died in Muhlenberg Co. KY - that man sure did travel - providing the dates he was in all these places are correct. But if there were Brethren groups there and in Ayr and Tod Twps. PA perhaps there are some records The Hebron congregation of the Reformed Church - Jacob Share organized it and Mary A. Washabaugh was an early member. "The old Dunkards, without any prefix or affix to their name are also represented in Ayr by a few families. This sect eschews church buildings and worhips in houses and barns, some of the brethren being selected from time to time to conduct divine services. They are a very devout , conscientious, Christian people. I write all this thinking you may know things that will fit some of these facts I've copied and one thing will lead to another. I do think I've told you that I feel - after all this reading - that the Stump descendants left the Brethren group in Clarke and Edgar Counties, Ill and have always thereafter been Methodist. Such is my hope. Best ever to you and your book. Liz Stump ----- Original Message ---- From: Merle C Rummel <cliff@rtkonline.com> To: brethren@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 5:30:31 AM Subject: Re: [BRE] Francis Stump item Let me throw another theory into the mess from Berks County to Somerset County - in those years Elder George Adam Miller - while he moved first to the Antietam before going on to Brother's Valley - was originally from the general area including Berks -and we find a number of those who moved to Somerset were of his Pietistic frame of belief. (The Stony Creek Church had recorded problems between the Brethren and the Sabbatarians -those holding more to the Ephrata beliefs.) One of the pietist concepts was that of celibacy - "living with" was used in several of the statements about pietists practicing celibacy - when a couple men were living together as celibates. Again - ages are not given -but could we be seeing here a couple men holding to pietistic celibacy - living together? That doesn't mean that it continued forever - but for that period of time - and - at least with Elder Jacob Miller (who was in Brother's Valley from 1764-1766) the "living with" (Harshbarger Letter - in the Miami Valley in Ohio) seems to possibly be a "living nearby" - "living nextdoor" - "taking care of each other"!! Merle C Rummel > >> I thought I would pass this tidbit of information along regarding Francis >> Stump. It is from the Journal of Peter Liebundgutt (Livengood), a notable >> German Baptist from Somerset County. Peter was likely Amish prior to >> this, >> since a number of his children married into Amish families, and he >> emigrated >> from Berks County to Somerset County with a group of Amish. >> >> >> >> The entry is dated August 20, 1783, and the info of interest is this: "we >> have loaned John Miller money for keeping Frantz Stump namely". >> >> >> >> John Miller is likely my ancestor "Wounded" John Miller, who was Amish and >> sold his farm in Elk Lick Township to Peter Livengood about 1786. John >> emigrated from Berks County at about the same time as Peter Livengood. >> The >> implication of the journal entry is that Frantz was living with John >> Miller. >> That would imply that Frantz was young, and possibly an orphan. The >> interesting question is why would John borrow the money, and why would >> Peter >> lend it? >> >> >> >> I have noted in the past of property records from a decade earlier for a >> John Stump, who owned property adjacent the Rhoads family in the Glades >> area, which is some miles north of the original Miller property. >> Property >> maps of Somerset County show Francis had warranted property in 1785 very >> close to Peter Livengood in current Elk Lick Township. A neighbor of >> Peter >> was Michael Beeghley. On the other side of the Beeghley property was a >> John >> Stump. The maps also show Francis Stump and Christian Schrock owning >> property together in 1786 next to Henry Rhoads in current Summit Township >> (near Meyersdale). Christian Schrock was Amish, and his brother John >> married a daughter of John Miller. >> >> >> >> Bill Thomas >> >> >> ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Since Stoner was an important Brethren family in early Maryland, who is > this Michael Stoner? Please include me in this answer as I have a collateral line of Stoner that I don't have the foggiest idea of where to begin. This information would be most helpful to me as well. Thank you Merle for bringing it up. Blessings, Janet Rogers North Carolina

Earliest histories in Kentucky speak of a Michael Stoner (c1775) -along with "Thomas Whitledge, James Kenny, and several others" Since Stoner was an important Brethren family in early Maryland, who is this Michael Stoner? Merle C Rummel

Folks, regarding Michael Stoner, see below for an email I sent to you all a few months ago re: a song about Daniel Boone and the Wilderness Rd. Review the lyrics and you will find a Michael Stoner, seemingly of some fame. winter ------ RE: recent discussion re: the Wilderness Road and Daniel Boone. I thought you might be interested in the following song concerning both and the various names of the road or bits of it. It was in a PBS program on "The Appalachians". It is a great song. winter "Big Moccasin Gap" Johnny Cash, writer Johnny Cash and June Carter Cash, singers (sung) We're goin' west to Kaintuck down the road to Moccasin Gap Down the Wilderness Road, the Dug Road, the old Reedy Creek Road, the road down Troublesome Road through Moccasin Gap (spoken) There was a time when goin' way out west meant goin' to Kaintuck, the dark and bloody ground as Indians called it. Indian wars were ragin' and men like Daniel Boone and Michael Stoner came down the Wilderness Road like countless families did through a place in southwest Virginia called Big Moccasin Gap. (sung) It's a hot day in '73 [1773] and this is my wife and my kids with me. Daniel Boone lost his boy the other day - young Jim Boone is dead twenty miles away. The wagons turn and went back home - even Daniel couldn't make it alone. I guess prob'ly Daniel could, but he stopped awhile in Castle Wood. If you love your wife and love your baby man, turn your wagons back as soon as you can. Ev'ry Injun in these hills has gone berserk - you never gonna make it to Kaintuck. But I bet I'm gonna make it to Kaintuck (sung) We're goin' west to Kaintuck... The Dug Road the old Reedy Creek Road The Road down Troublesome Road through Moccasin Gap On Mar 12, 2008, at 10:34 AM, Merle C Rummel wrote: > Earliest histories in Kentucky speak of a Michael Stoner (c1775) - > along > with "Thomas Whitledge, James Kenny, and several others" > > Since Stoner was an important Brethren family in early Maryland, who > is > this Michael Stoner? > > Merle C Rummel > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams > mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

My husband's great grandfather was Joseph R. Frick, b. 26, Oct. 1834 at Lebanon, PA Joseph R. Frick married a lady by the name Fanny H. Helman of Manheim, PA Fanny was born 26, Dec. 1835. Would anyone out there have info. on this Fanny H. Helman; who her parents were, how many siblings she had etc? OR give leads where I might find this family tree? Thanks, Shirley Frick

There was a group of Berks County Amish who lived near the Northkill Creek area. They came to Somerset County about 1771. Families in this migration included Miller's, Gnaegi, Lehman, Speicher and Zug, among others, and of course Peter Livengood. The Miller contingent included Nicholas Miller (John Miller's brother), and Michael Miller (a nephew of John, and son of Jacob Miller). If you believe Austin Cooper's account, the Brethren were in Somerset County in 1762. I don't know of any connection between this Miller family (which was definitely Amish), and Jacob Miller who was Brethren. -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Merle C Rummel Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 6:31 AM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] Francis Stump item Let me throw another theory into the mess from Berks County to Somerset County - in those years Elder George Adam Miller - while he moved first to the Antietam before going on to Brother's Valley - was originally from the general area including Berks -and we find a number of those who moved to Somerset were of his Pietistic frame of belief. (The Stony Creek Church had recorded problems between the Brethren and the Sabbatarians -those holding more to the Ephrata beliefs.) One of the pietist concepts was that of celibacy - "living with" was used in several of the statements about pietists practicing celibacy - when a couple men were living together as celibates. Again - ages are not given -but could we be seeing here a couple men holding to pietistic celibacy - living together? That doesn't mean that it continued forever - but for that period of time - and - at least with Elder Jacob Miller (who was in Brother's Valley from 1764-1766) the "living with" (Harshbarger Letter - in the Miami Valley in Ohio) seems to possibly be a "living nearby" - "living nextdoor" - "taking care of each other"!! Merle C Rummel > >> I thought I would pass this tidbit of information along regarding Francis >> Stump. It is from the Journal of Peter Liebundgutt (Livengood), a notable >> German Baptist from Somerset County. Peter was likely Amish prior to >> this, >> since a number of his children married into Amish families, and he >> emigrated >> from Berks County to Somerset County with a group of Amish. >> >> >> >> The entry is dated August 20, 1783, and the info of interest is this: "we >> have loaned John Miller money for keeping Frantz Stump namely". >> >> >> >> John Miller is likely my ancestor "Wounded" John Miller, who was Amish and >> sold his farm in Elk Lick Township to Peter Livengood about 1786. John >> emigrated from Berks County at about the same time as Peter Livengood. >> The >> implication of the journal entry is that Frantz was living with John >> Miller. >> That would imply that Frantz was young, and possibly an orphan. The >> interesting question is why would John borrow the money, and why would >> Peter >> lend it? >> >> >> >> I have noted in the past of property records from a decade earlier for a >> John Stump, who owned property adjacent the Rhoads family in the Glades >> area, which is some miles north of the original Miller property. >> Property >> maps of Somerset County show Francis had warranted property in 1785 very >> close to Peter Livengood in current Elk Lick Township. A neighbor of >> Peter >> was Michael Beeghley. On the other side of the Beeghley property was a >> John >> Stump. The maps also show Francis Stump and Christian Schrock owning >> property together in 1786 next to Henry Rhoads in current Summit Township >> (near Meyersdale). Christian Schrock was Amish, and his brother John >> married a daughter of John Miller. >> >> >> >> Bill Thomas >> >> >> ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is Francis Stump who became a Brethren Elder and moved to Kentucky. -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mary Ann Booher Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 10:20 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] Francis Stump item Knowing nothing on this subject other than what I have read here...did the journal specifically state this was a child? Could it not be that they were caring for an elderly man? One whose family wasn't nearby? Mary Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Rogers" <rogers922@intrstar.net> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Francis Stump item > The > interesting question is why would John borrow the money, and why would Peter > lend it? > > Since I know nothing of this time frame or the habits of those in this time, > it did strike me though, if this child was indeed an orphan, that depending > upon his age, maybe someone was helping the orphan acquire needed tools for > an apprenticeship? Maybe to purchase a mule or a horse as transportation to > get to said apprenticeship? Would they have sent this orphan to a boarding > school and needed funds for this purpose? (I strike that, I don't think an > amish lad would be headed to a boarding school, not even for religious > reasons)... > > Is there nothing in the Orphan Court records that could give light to this? > Was Livengood and Miller feel responsible for this child through > relationship of Uncle (maybe the brother of the mother) - > > But you are correct, that one line can sure generate a whole bunch of > questions. > > Many Blessings, > Janet Rogers > North Carolina > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Thomas" <wbtst2@atlanticbb.net> > To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:57 PM > Subject: [BRE] Francis Stump item > > > >I thought I would pass this tidbit of information along regarding Francis > > Stump. It is from the Journal of Peter Liebundgutt (Livengood), a notable > > German Baptist from Somerset County. Peter was likely Amish prior to > > this, > > since a number of his children married into Amish families, and he > > emigrated > > from Berks County to Somerset County with a group of Amish. > > > > > > > > The entry is dated August 20, 1783, and the info of interest is this: "we > > have loaned John Miller money for keeping Frantz Stump namely". > > > > > > > > John Miller is likely my ancestor "Wounded" John Miller, who was Amish and > > sold his farm in Elk Lick Township to Peter Livengood about 1786. John > > emigrated from Berks County at about the same time as Peter Livengood. > > The > > implication of the journal entry is that Frantz was living with John > > Miller. > > That would imply that Frantz was young, and possibly an orphan. The > > interesting question is why would John borrow the money, and why would > > Peter > > lend it? > > > > > > > > I have noted in the past of property records from a decade earlier for a > > John Stump, who owned property adjacent the Rhoads family in the Glades > > area, which is some miles north of the original Miller property. > > Property > > maps of Somerset County show Francis had warranted property in 1785 very > > close to Peter Livengood in current Elk Lick Township. A neighbor of > > Peter > > was Michael Beeghley. On the other side of the Beeghley property was a > > John > > Stump. The maps also show Francis Stump and Christian Schrock owning > > property together in 1786 next to Henry Rhoads in current Summit Township > > (near Meyersdale). Christian Schrock was Amish, and his brother John > > married a daughter of John Miller. > > > > > > > > Bill Thomas > > > > > > ------------------------ > > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > > ------------------------ > > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > > ------------------------ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG. > > Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1325 - Release Date: 3/11/2008 > > 1:41 PM > > > > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message