Crawfordsville Weekly Journal, (Montgomery County, Indiana) 8 Dec 1899 p 10 Mrs. Edward Neff died last Sunday in South Bend after a short illness. Her maiden name was Daisy Mikels, and she was the daughter of Rev. WK Mikels, formerly of this city. She was well known here and will be remembered as a beautiful and accomplished young lady. -- Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG ~~ "Proponents of each side are vying with determination to prove their ignorance is greater than the other." President Andrew Jackson, discussing a bill going through the US Congress. Visit http://ibssg.org/ For The Blacksheep website, Montgomery County, Putnam County, and Fountain County USGenWeb sites. MORE... Putnam County Indiana Biographies and Obituaries http://ibssg.org/putnam/bios/ Montgomery County Indiana Biographies and Obituaries http://ibssg.org/montgomery/bios/ Fountain County Indiana Biographies and Obituaries http://ibssg.org/fountain/vitals/bios/

My ancestors came to America before the American Revolution, and my father remembers family members speaking German. A 1940 article on one relative notes she didn't learn English until she was in her late teens. They were Mennonites, but even today, Amish still speak German, and most of their roots go back to the 1740's. German Baptist's held church services exclusively in German until the mid 1820's, almost 100 years after they came to America. Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of myerswd@juno.com Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 3:46 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] Schneider Family Sarah, I don't think that you can assume too much based on Jacob Holmes' will being written in German. Oftentimes, people would be primarily German-speakers for two or three generations after they immigrated to America. David Myers On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 06:58:48 -0700 "Sarah Holmes" <slholmes@usa.com> writes: > I am looking for a Catherine Schneider, born about 1757 (birthplace > unknown), died 1827 in Wayne Co., Ohio. She married Jacob > Holms/Holmes. Most of their children (Daniel, Caty, Polly, John, > Jonas, Susannah) were born in MD. They moved to Westmoreland, Co., > PA and it is possible their two younger children (Elizabeth and > Joseph) were born there. Jacob died in 1815. His will was in > German and I have only seen translations of it. The spelling of his > name varies within the same document. Previous family members who > completed research a number of years ago, made the assumption he was > the original immigrant based on the German will, but I have come to > believe this may be an erroneous assumption. He first shows up on > tax records in Westmoreland about 1801. His children take on the > English spelling of Holmes. His first born, Daniel, marries a > Nancy and moves to Congress Township, Wayne County, Ohio. > Catherine Schneider Holmes is buried there. Is there any church > record that indicates a marriage between Catherine Schneider and > Jacob Holms? Or baptism of their children? Probably in MD. > > > > Thank you for any assistance you can provide. > > Sarah > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams > mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

For those interesed in the Neff family, and also are in touch with Harold and Glatha Neff, please email off of this list. Ruth Neff Miller of Trotwood, Ohio died at age 101. If interested, contact me at my hawkwind address. I do not know RObert Miller's (Ruth's husband) genealogy. If you do, email me as well. Thanks. Patrick McGarry --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.

For all those interested in the Holler name, please email me outside of this list. THe few I know of on here I have emailed, but not heard back from. I find a new connection in the John Holler-Barbara Beeghley (her mother was an Ullery) family. Thanks. Patrick --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.

Thanks Bill: The Newcomer and Newmyer names seem to be fairly distinct, and I haven't run into any records where variations on the names would be confused. I have also run into connections between the two families. I have one Peter Newcomer, born 1753 in Manor Twp, Lancaster Co, PA. He was Mennonite, and later settled in Tyrone Twp, Fayette Co, PA. His son Christian, married about 1814 to Mary Newmyer, who was the granddaughter of Jacob. Based on proximity, I'd imagine Wolf and Peter were probably related. Glen Swartz ------------------ 3/17/2008 10:08:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wbtst2@atlanticbb.net writes: Glen: I was looking at some wills for John Stump of Leacock Township, Lancaster County, and came across something that may relate to the Newmyer family. I have suspected that Francis Stump and John Stump of Somerset County had some connection to the family of John Stump of Leacock Township. John's father was Johann Julian Stump, who had ties to Alexander Mack in Europe. Another son of Johann Julian was Jacob Stump who married Elizabeth Becker. John Stump of Leacock was associated with Conrad Beissel and Ephrata. Anyway, one of the executors of John Stump was Wolf Newcomer. Wolf Newcomer was also the guardian of his son Peter Stump. The Will is dated 1748, and the Orphans Court record is 1754. Newcomer and Newmyer seem very close. Recall a John Stump witness the property sale of Jacob Newmyer. Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- March 14, 2008 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Jacob Newmyer, Brothers Valleys Thanks Bill, I'm starting to feel like a moth circling around a candle. The comment gave a little more focus and I found a number of further connections between the two families and at least one more probable child of Jacob. Glen Swartz ------------------ 3/13/2008, wbtst2@atlanticbb.net writes: Per his journal, Harmon Husband purchased property from Jacob Newmayer and Henry Rhoads in 1772 along Rhoads Creek (which he notes was previously called Newmayer's Creek) in the Glades area of Somerset County. One would assume Rhoads and Newmayer had some form of association. John Stump was a witness on the sale transaction. (Bill Thomas) **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

Glen: I was looking at some wills for John Stump of Leacock Township, Lancaster County, and came across something that may relate to the Newmyer family. I have suspected that Francis Stump and John Stump of Somerset County had some connection to the family of John Stump of Leacock Township. John's father was Johann Julian Stump, who had ties to Alexander Mack in Europe. Another son of Johann Julian was Jacob Stump who married Elizabeth Becker. John Stump of Leacock was associated with Conrad Beissel and Ephrata. Dwayne Wrightsman had several emails regarding the Stump/Becker connections in recent weeks. Anyway, one of the executors of John Stump was Wolf Newcomer. Wolf Newcomer was also the guardian of his son Peter Stump. The Will is dated 1748, and the Orphans Court record is 1754. Newcomer and Newmyer seem very close. Recall a John Stump witness the property sale of Jacob Newmyer. Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of GlSwartz@aol.com Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 2:05 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] Jacob Newmyer, Brothers Valleys Thanks Bill, I'm starting to feel like a moth circling around a candle. The comment gave a little more focus and I found a number of further connections between the two families and at least one more probable child of Jacob. Glen Swartz ------------------ 3/13/2008 9:37:15 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wbtst2@atlanticbb.net writes: Per his journal, Harmon Husband purchased property from Jacob Newmayer and Henry Rhoads in 1772 along Rhoads Creek (which he notes was previously called Newmayer's Creek) in the Glades area of Somerset County. One would assume Rhoads and Newmayer had some form of association. John Stump was a witness on the sale transaction. (Bill Thomas) **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

he Newcomers in my files are referenced as "Newcummit" as well. William Thomas wrote: > Glen: > > I was looking at some wills for John Stump of Leacock Township, Lancaster > County, and came across something that may relate to the Newmyer family. > > I have suspected that Francis Stump and John Stump of Somerset County had > some connection to the family of John Stump of Leacock Township. John's > father was Johann Julian Stump, who had ties to Alexander Mack in Europe. > Another son of Johann Julian was Jacob Stump who married Elizabeth Becker. > John Stump of Leacock was associated with Conrad Beissel and Ephrata. > > Dwayne Wrightsman had several emails regarding the Stump/Becker connections > in recent weeks. > > Anyway, one of the executors of John Stump was Wolf Newcomer. Wolf Newcomer > was also the guardian of his son Peter Stump. The Will is dated 1748, and > the Orphans Court record is 1754. > > Newcomer and Newmyer seem very close. Recall a John Stump witness the > property sale of Jacob Newmyer. > > Bill Thomas

Sarah, I don't think that you can assume too much based on Jacob Holmes' will being written in German. Oftentimes, people would be primarily German-speakers for two or three generations after they immigrated to America. David Myers On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 06:58:48 -0700 "Sarah Holmes" <slholmes@usa.com> writes: > I am looking for a Catherine Schneider, born about 1757 (birthplace > unknown), died 1827 in Wayne Co., Ohio. She married Jacob > Holms/Holmes. Most of their children (Daniel, Caty, Polly, John, > Jonas, Susannah) were born in MD. They moved to Westmoreland, Co., > PA and it is possible their two younger children (Elizabeth and > Joseph) were born there. Jacob died in 1815. His will was in > German and I have only seen translations of it. The spelling of his > name varies within the same document. Previous family members who > completed research a number of years ago, made the assumption he was > the original immigrant based on the German will, but I have come to > believe this may be an erroneous assumption. He first shows up on > tax records in Westmoreland about 1801. His children take on the > English spelling of Holmes. His first born, Daniel, marries a > “Nancy” and moves to Congress Township, Wayne County, Ohio. > Catherine Schneider Holmes is buried there. Is there any church > record that indicates a marriage between Catherine Schneider and > Jacob Holms? Or baptism of their children? Probably in MD. > > > > Thank you for any assistance you can provide. > > Sarah > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams > mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Let me check my records and get my sources. I'll get back to you. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

Who is Jacobus Ulrich? To my knowledge, researchers still have no documented evidence of Stephen Ulrich prior to his showing up in the Maryland records. Dwayne Wrightsman ----- Original Message ----- From: <JGLAP@aol.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [BRE] Ullery-Ulrich's descendants- need a more updated file aswell >I have Jacobus Ulrich down to Stephen Ulrich and his descendants. If you > let me know what you have, I'll give you what I have. Lee Ann Davis > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have Jacobus Ulrich down to Stephen Ulrich and his descendants. If you let me know what you have, I'll give you what I have. Lee Ann Davis **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

Nancee Seifert Would you please send me information on the John Gaby family -and the children. Are you indicating that he is a nephew of Salome (son of Martin Gaby JR) - and about her age? I have him born about 1781 -which is the same year of Salome's birth (25 May 1781 Oley, Berks Co PA) Salome Gaby (wife of Daniel Fiant) was the youngest daughter of Elder Martin Gaby of the Oley Church. In 1802, right after their marriage, they moved to "Fiants Ford", over the Whitewater River, near Yankeetown, in Union Co IN (then Indiana Territory - outside of the Gore - or in squatter country). About 1834 they moved west into Fayette County, Waterloo twp, where the New Bethel Church was established (a later building on their property), and were buried on the back of their farm. Sometime about 1813, a John Gaby, wife Hannah (born c1789), is found living adjacent them. I find him listed in the 1820 census. It lists one son and seven daughters. I have only the names of Susannah (1802-1883) who married 1825, Richard Strong MD, Lydia (c1804-) who married 1821, David Stevenson, and Rachel (c1808-) who married 1829, Henry Hubbard. All these are in Fayette County IN - adjacent to the Fiants. The only child I have incomplete information on is Susannah- with twelve children (I found nothing on any other children) . I have been to the Strong homestead property in Fayette Co. Supposedly they were buried on family farm "Strong Cemetery", but recently I found a stone to a Richard Strong at the Bethel Baptist Church Cemetery, south of Springersville - several miles south of their farm. It was cold/snowy -and I did not record any information from the latter stone (am going back when possible). Since Henry Hubbard was a prominent historical figure in the Whiskey Rebellion in Somerset County PA - who is this Henry Hubbard? and where did he go after he got married? - he did not remain in Fayette County -according to the informations I looked at. These are all part of the early Four Mile Church - and I am attempting to complete information on the church families. Merle C Rummel > Hi Nancy: I am a descendant of MARTIN GABY, Jr. -- to JOHN GABY -- to > SUSANNAH GABY who married RICHARD STRONG. > They were Old German Baptist Brethren. >

I looked through my Stoner genealogy papers and only found 2 Michaels. One was Michael Stoner (1774-1853), son of Abraham Stoner (1745-1824) and Mary Ann Miller (1741- ), and married to Elizabeth Snively in Washington County, Maryland (2 Jul 1799). Have no idea if this is the same one or not. I don't have any other information about him. However, this one might be the same one as in the 1850 Waynesboro PA census. The other Michael C. Stoner wasn't born until 1828 - 1910. Michael doesn't seem to be a popular Stoner name. Now Abraham or Solomon or Jacob... Jeri -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robin Poeschek Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 10:48 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRE] Michael Stoner info > Earliest histories in Kentucky speak of a Michael Stoner (c1775) - > along > with "Thomas Whitledge, James Kenny, and several others" > > Since Stoner was an important Brethren family in early Maryland, who > is > this Michael Stoner? > > Merle C Rummel

Expert on Ullery's (i know there are so many connect or knoow) please email me off of list. I do have a file Gladys Royer sent me, but there was a lot missing that i knew and seen many others with descendants of Stephen Ulrich. Looking for a more update one since Don Bowman's research in the 70s. Lady whose husband is from Eli Ullery and Mary Royer wants to give to her descendants. I know she is going to call me, but i have no email for her. Thanks. Patrick --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.

I have an Elizabeth Schneider, born 1773, marrying my ancestor Abraham Gaby, son of Martin Gaby a Brethren elder who lived in Pricetown, Pa. They were married on July 18, 1791 at the Schwarzwald Reformed Church. This may speak to your question of any family connection to the Brethren. Nancy Karchner -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Sarah Holmes Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 8:59 AM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRE] Schneider Family I have had to be away from my research for several months so am now catching up on some past postings regarding the Schneider family in February postings. I have never been able to confirm if my Schneider family was Brethren, but at least 5 later generations were Brethren. I am looking for a Catherine Schneider, born about 1757 (birthplace unknown), died 1827 in Wayne Co., Ohio. She married Jacob Holms/Holmes. Most of their children (Daniel, Caty, Polly, John, Jonas, Susannah) were born in MD. They moved to Westmoreland, Co., PA and it is possible their two younger children (Elizabeth and Joseph) were born there. Jacob died in 1815. His will was in German and I have only seen translations of it. The spelling of his name varies within the same document. Previous family members who completed research a number of years ago, made the assumption he was the original immigrant based on the German will, but I have come to believe this may be an erroneous assumption. He first shows up on tax records in Westmoreland about 1801. His children take on the English spelling of Holmes. His first born, Daniel, marries a “Nancy” and moves to Congress Township, Wayne County, Ohio. Catherine Schneider Holmes is buried there. Is there any church record that indicates a marriage between Catherine Schneider and Jacob Holms? Or baptism of their children? Probably in MD. Thank you for any assistance you can provide. Sarah ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Nancy: I am a descendant of MARTIN GABY, Jr. -- to JOHN GABY -- to SUSANNAH GABY who married RICHARD STRONG. They were Old German Baptist Brethren. I would love to know about ABRAHAM GABY's lineage. He and MARTIN GABY, Jr. would have been brothers.. Best Regards, Nancee(McMurtrey)Seifert at iggy29@grm.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From: Nancy Karchner Date: 03/16/08 10:34:22 To: Sarah Holmes; brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] Schneider Family I have an Elizabeth Schneider, born 1773, marrying my ancestor Abraham Gaby, son of Martin Gaby a Brethren elder who lived in Pricetown, Pa. They were married on July 18, 1791 at the Schwarzwald Reformed Church. This may speak to your question of any family connection to the Brethren. Nancy Karchner

I have had to be away from my research for several months so am now catching up on some past postings regarding the Schneider family in February postings. I have never been able to confirm if my Schneider family was Brethren, but at least 5 later generations were Brethren. I am looking for a Catherine Schneider, born about 1757 (birthplace unknown), died 1827 in Wayne Co., Ohio. She married Jacob Holms/Holmes. Most of their children (Daniel, Caty, Polly, John, Jonas, Susannah) were born in MD. They moved to Westmoreland, Co., PA and it is possible their two younger children (Elizabeth and Joseph) were born there. Jacob died in 1815. His will was in German and I have only seen translations of it. The spelling of his name varies within the same document. Previous family members who completed research a number of years ago, made the assumption he was the original immigrant based on the German will, but I have come to believe this may be an erroneous assumption. He first shows up on tax records in Westmoreland about 1801. His children take on the English spelling of Holmes. His first born, Daniel, marries a “Nancy” and moves to Congress Township, Wayne County, Ohio. Catherine Schneider Holmes is buried there. Is there any church record that indicates a marriage between Catherine Schneider and Jacob Holms? Or baptism of their children? Probably in MD. Thank you for any assistance you can provide. Sarah

> Earliest histories in Kentucky speak of a Michael Stoner (c1775) - > along > with "Thomas Whitledge, James Kenny, and several others" > > Since Stoner was an important Brethren family in early Maryland, who > is > this Michael Stoner? > > Merle C Rummel While looking through the index of this book for John Click info I noticed an entry for another one of my ancestors, Col. John Hardin. When I read this I remembered the song that was posted and found the above message and thought I should type it out as there was some interest. Robin Poeschek Kamloops BC Info on Michael Stoner - from “A History of Shenandoah County” page 647 + 648 (accessed through ancestry): Stoner, Bush Michael Stoner (1748 – 1815), great hunter and pioneer, born in Pennsylvania, was a “cousin” of the Harmons, originally of Shenandoah. There is some evidence he resided for a time in this county. The published statement he was a relative of Daniel Boone is probably untrue. It is stated his name was originally Holsteiner and that he was son of a Palatinate. He may have been a nephew or relative of Henry Holston (Holstein), from whom Holston river probably derives its name. Michael Stoner went to New River, Va., about 1765 – 1766, and there for the first time met Daniel Boone. Stoner and James Harrod went from Fort Pitt down the Ohio, crossed Kentucky to the Cumberland and Stone river and there met the Isaac Lindsey expedition from South Carolina, 1767; conducted Daniel Boone as far as Crab Orchard, Ky.,1769; went with Boone from Virginia to the Falls of the Ohio, with dispatches from the Virginia government, warning Col. John Floyd of Indian hostilities, 1774; marked with Daniel Boone the road to Boonesboro, 1775; met Simon Kenton in northern Kentucky and conducted him to Boonesboro, 1775; raised corn on Stoner’s branch, Bourbon county, Ky., 1776; was wounded in one of the Boonesboro sieges, 1777 – 1778; present at taking of Vincennes, 1778; at King’s Mountain, 1780; at Blue Licks, 1782; “out” with Gen. Benj. Logan, 1786; and “out” with Col. John Hardin. Col. Daniel Boone about 1809 sent for Stoner to visit the former in Missouri. They started up the Missouri river, hunting and trapping, but Boone at the end of a hundred miles was forced through illness to return. Stoner continued up the river about 1700 miles and was thus one of its first explorers. He returned to Wayne county, Ky. He married Frances, daughter of Rev. Andrew Tribble, and they had Dr. Michael Lower Stoner, member of the constitutional convention of Kentucky. The Stoners of Montgomery county, Ky.,are descendants of Michael Stoner. Among them was Maj. Robert G. Stoner, who joined his battalion, with that of Col. Wm. C.P. Breckinridge, to form the 9th Ky. Cavalry, C.S.A. Michael Stoner’s wife’s mother, a Miss Burrows, was sister of Frances Burrows, wife of Captain “Billy” Bush. Captain “Billy” Bush, born 1747, went to Kentucky, 1778; returned to Clinch river, 1774; went to Kentucky again, 1775; helped build Boonesboro, first fort in Kentucky, 1775; raised corn in now Clark County, Ky., in the heart of the Blue Grass, 1776; and founded Bush’s Station or Bush’s Settlement, first permanent occupation of Clark county. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1330 - Release Date: 3/15/2008 2:36 PM

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Thanks Bill, I'm starting to feel like a moth circling around a candle. The comment gave a little more focus and I found a number of further connections between the two families and at least one more probable child of Jacob. Glen Swartz ------------------ 3/13/2008 9:37:15 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wbtst2@atlanticbb.net writes: Per his journal, Harmon Husband purchased property from Jacob Newmayer and Henry Rhoads in 1772 along Rhoads Creek (which he notes was previously called Newmayer's Creek) in the Glades area of Somerset County. One would assume Rhoads and Newmayer had some form of association. John Stump was a witness on the sale transaction. (Bill Thomas) **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)