Thank you Merle, Thank you for the suggestion to use the BE as a guideline. I had suspected that the ancestors beyond William weren't quite what was written and it will be a challenge for me to correct this, but I am willing and able and still a youngster - :-) Thank you all for your input and have a wonderful and fulfilling day. Many Blessings, Janet Rogers North Carolina ----- Original Message ----- From: "Merle C Rummel" <cliff@rtkonline.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 5:09 AM Subject: Re: [BRE] Renner and the BE > >> Now, if I can find where the BE got it's information...hehe.. > > I wrote several of the articles for the Brethren Encyclopedia - in none > of them did I give sources for my information, I was asked (or in a > couple of the instances -volunteered - and they used them) to summarized > what I had done on these churches/individuals/families. Yes, what I > wrote was based on my research - but for too much of the materials they > were not directly source documents. > > My use of the Brethren Encyclopedia is that it is a directive to where > to look for information. > > Merle C Rummel > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8/1338 - Release Date: 3/21/2008 > 5:52 PM > >

> Now, if I can find where the BE got it's information...hehe.. I wrote several of the articles for the Brethren Encyclopedia - in none of them did I give sources for my information, I was asked (or in a couple of the instances -volunteered - and they used them) to summarized what I had done on these churches/individuals/families. Yes, what I wrote was based on my research - but for too much of the materials they were not directly source documents. My use of the Brethren Encyclopedia is that it is a directive to where to look for information. Merle C Rummel

Bless your heart! Thank you so much for confirming what I had already guessed. I think Bohn, took a bunch of fanciful tales and wove them into whatever oral histories he compiled and basically created a Renner history for those ancestors before William (b. 1742). As far as I can tell, Bohn made no trip to Germany for reference or facts, as if he had, there would at least be the mention of which German province the Renner's came from other than the "Swabia" reference which is listed (again, no access to these notes at present).. It is just very frustrating to be stuck at this one juncture - up to the physical presence of William Renner's tombstone with a death date of 1792 (+/- a year or two, going by memory) and the rumor that he was born in 1742 Germany, there is no proof I can find of his immigration on either shore. I can place him in Washington County, Haugh's Church, 1768 when his son was born - so immigration had to be between 1742 and 1768. Of course, with no mention of whether his siblings or other family immigrating with him, I am reluctant to impose family status on the Renner's I do find immigrating to the US during this period... But thank you Bill, I really appreciate your help. Now, if I can find where the BE got it's information...hehe..I will be a happy camper, for a day or two anyway. Many Blessings, Janet Rogers North Carolina >I doubt the validity of the medieval components of this story. For one > thing the printing press wasn't invented until the 15th century. Germany > at > this point in time was the Holy Roman Empire, and the kingdoms within the > Holy Roman Empire didn't have kings, but electors. > > Bill Thomas

I doubt the validity of the medieval components of this story. For one thing the printing press wasn't invented until the 15th century. Germany at this point in time was the Holy Roman Empire, and the kingdoms within the Holy Roman Empire didn't have kings, but electors. Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Rogers Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 9:46 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRE] Renner and the BE Dear Merle, Or really, anyone on the list that may be able to answer the question. I have xerox copies of the biographies of my RENNER's listed in the Brethren Encyclopedia (which I cannot lay my hands on at the moment). I also have a xerox copy of the Roy Bohn "Genealogy of the Renner Family" circl 1937. In the introduction of the Bohn work, Roy basically transfered, lifter, plagerized, borrowed, whatever you would like to call it, excerpts from the BE Renner biographies. In these biographies it states, "The Renner family came from sturdy German ancestry. Their lineage came into prominence when one Francis Renner was make the King's printer in one of the large kingdom's of Germany in 1315. This printer, Francis Renner, was one of the best educated men of his day and had great influence in the royal household. His descendents continued in the royal service of the kingdom for many generations. Some of the grandsons of Francis won distinction as crusaders. They had the spirit of adventure. Some were pioneer Crusaders, while others traveled as merchants, or went out as valiant knights. The descendents of Francis Renner became numerous in Germany, and when the persecutions swept over Germany, William Renner, a dirct descendent of the old pioneer, Francis Renner, cast his lot with the faithful band of persecuted souls and came to America with a colony of Palatines. He settled in Lancaster County, PA and died there." Now, my question is this. Bohn, as stated before, lifted some material from the BE. Bohn's work has no footnotes, no reference to where information was retreived, etc. He does, in his preface, mention there were many family bibles involved. Is there any reference in the BE as to where some of this information came from? There are some errors that I can see, one being that if William Renner lived and died in Lancaster County, PA, why is his tombstone in Frederick County, MD? Can anyone give me a bit of a clue as to how the facts in the BE were gathered, or were they oral histories? To quote a local colloquillism, "I think I done confused myself." Blessings Janet ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Merle, Or really, anyone on the list that may be able to answer the question. I have xerox copies of the biographies of my RENNER's listed in the Brethren Encyclopedia (which I cannot lay my hands on at the moment). I also have a xerox copy of the Roy Bohn "Genealogy of the Renner Family" circl 1937. In the introduction of the Bohn work, Roy basically transfered, lifter, plagerized, borrowed, whatever you would like to call it, excerpts from the BE Renner biographies. In these biographies it states, "The Renner family came from sturdy German ancestry. Their lineage came into prominence when one Francis Renner was make the King's printer in one of the large kingdom's of Germany in 1315. This printer, Francis Renner, was one of the best educated men of his day and had great influence in the royal household. His descendents continued in the royal service of the kingdom for many generations. Some of the grandsons of Francis won distinction as crusaders. They had the spirit of adventure. Some were pioneer Crusaders, while others traveled as merchants, or went out as valiant knights. The descendents of Francis Renner became numerous in Germany, and when the persecutions swept over Germany, William Renner, a dirct descendent of the old pioneer, Francis Renner, cast his lot with the faithful band of persecuted souls and came to America with a colony of Palatines. He settled in Lancaster County, PA and died there." Now, my question is this. Bohn, as stated before, lifted some material from the BE. Bohn's work has no footnotes, no reference to where information was retreived, etc. He does, in his preface, mention there were many family bibles involved. Is there any reference in the BE as to where some of this information came from? There are some errors that I can see, one being that if William Renner lived and died in Lancaster County, PA, why is his tombstone in Frederick County, MD? Can anyone give me a bit of a clue as to how the facts in the BE were gathered, or were they oral histories? To quote a local colloquillism, "I think I done confused myself." Blessings Janet

I was doing some research at the Mifflin County, PA Courthouse this week, and came across early Stump info. There is an 1825 deed where a William Stumpff and his wife Mary sell 108 acres in Decatur Township, Mifflin County to a George Seigler. I found an 1815 tax list for Decatur Township on the internet, which lists two William Stumpf's, a Peter Stumpf, and a John Stumpf. Also on the net is an 1877 atlas of the township that shows Stumpf's living near Seigler's in Decatur Township. The 1850 census shows a Stumpf family living in Decatur Township, including a Mary Stumpf, age 70. Decatur Township is in the upper part of the County past Lewistown. There was an early German Baptist congregation in Alfarata in adjacent Derry Township. Is anyone familiar with this Stump family? Bill Thomas

Does anyone have any information on Peter Hedrick, who moved to Harrison County, Indiana in 1852 and joined the United Brethren Church in 1881. He relocated from Pittsylvania County, Virginia. His wife was "Sophia." any information will be greatly appreciated. Ron Snowden

As a young pastor, I knew Austin well, and helped him some. I was very concerned about his record keeping (my brother says I was worse than that!) Yes, Austin was pastor at Stony Creek, and he made notes on all these pieces of information. Thats what they were - a pile of pieces of paper, with informations penciled on each - he had piles of them stacked on the table where he was working - and he could go down through them, and tell me where each came from. He usually knew exactly what he was looking for next -could jump from pile to pile. I questioned him (by telephone - some years later) about the statement in his book, on Elder Jacob Miller, at Stony Creek, and his statement was so typical - he had gotten back to New Windsor MD, after one of his "hunting" trips to Brothers Valley - in going through his notes, he realized what he had written down about Elder Jacob Miller. He said that he turned around and drove all the way back to Stony Creek, to check (and that is a long distance from New Windsor!!!). The material was on the inside back cover of the church clerk's book (c1820). When he got there, the book was missing. They searched everywhere for it - and it never was found. He even gave me a signed copy of his book - and I (like you) noted that he did little on identifying his sources. He was a minister, he had a real interest in keeping the history that he had learned (and he liked history), but he was not a trained historian. I don't think he really knew what footnotes were for (and Rolland Flory was similar - except he was a school principal, who preached some). The 1920 History of Southern Ohio - does not footnote, and gives considerable informations. My own research on the Petry family - had so much information that had come from family letters (we had 600 letters from grandparents -in just 3 townships in Darke and Preble Cos OH) - that we didn't even try to give the sources (and there were many instances that one letter disagreed with another - and I would hunt other sources, till I could find a probable correct solution). We didn't write our books then, like it is almost demanded that we write now - even 30 years ago. Merle C Rummel > > Austin Cooper in "Two Centuries of Brothersvalley; Church of the Brethren, > 1672-1762." Westminster, MD: Times, Inc., 1962, page 167 wrote Henry's wife > was Elizabeth Stoner, daughter of Elder John Stoner of the Pipe Creek Church, > Frederick Co, MD, citing a marriage in the "Pleasant View Records." > > Where are these records Austin refers too? To my knowledge no one has been > able to find them. I believe Austin was a pastor at that congregation, so I > assumed he had seen them. >

I need to address one matter brought to my attention, is there any evidence that Capt. Henry Rhoads' wife, Elizabeth had the maiden name "Stoner"? Austin Cooper in "Two Centuries of Brothersvalley; Church of the Brethren, 1672-1762." Westminster, MD: Times, Inc., 1962, page 167 wrote Henry's wife was Elizabeth Stoner, daughter of Elder John Stoner of the Pipe Creek Church, Frederick Co, MD, citing a marriage in the "Pleasant View Records." Where are these records Austin refers too? To my knowledge no one has been able to find them. I believe Austin was a pastor at that congregation, so I assumed he had seen them. Alvin L Rhods, in "Genealogies of Rhoads-Scott and Related Families," Decorah, IA: Anundsen Pub Co, 1987 on pages 2-4, wrote: Henry m.(1) 19 Oct 1760 to Elizabeth Stoner, d/o Christian Stoner and Elizabeth of Pipe Creek MD. I received an email from Alvin in Dec 2005 in which Alvin stated he now doubts the father was Christian. Richard R. Weber, author of "Stoner Brethren: A History of John Stoner (ca 1705-1769) and His Descendants." Columbia, MD: RR Weber, 1993. emailed me Mar 2008, "Austin's assertions do not constitute evidence, except where they actually present valid evidence. I believe that Cooper is utterly wrong regarding Elizabeth Stoner's ancestry (and many other matters)." He continued, "I asked Cooper personally for his evidence regarding Elizabeth Stoner's ancestry. He dug up a tiny pocket notebook, and said that so-and-so told him in 1947 (or so). That is meaningless." Richard is the first person, and only person, I'm aware of who actually spoke with Austin Cooper and asked Cooper what his evidence was. Apparently Mr. Cooper was not citing from church records, as he wrote. So, as anybody seen any evidence to support the maiden name of Elizabeth, other than hearsay? Regards, Glen Swartz P.S. Thank you Richard for your insight. -------------------------- 3/21/2008, GlSwartz writes: Children of Henry Rhoads and Catherina (Rheinhardt) are: 1. Capt. Henry Rhoads, ... m.(1) Elizabeth Stoner, 09 Oct 1760, Pleasant View Church, Burkittsville, Frederick Co, MD; b. 25 Mar 1744, pr, Frederick (then Prince George's) Co, MD d/o Elder John Stoner. **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001)

Dear Glen, Would you know if Frederick Rhoades born ca 1794 in Pa who married Anna May daughter of Jacob and Sophia(Rummel) May is part of this family? Nanette **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001)

I have more on the descendants of Daniel Rhoads - gathered from various sources. Thought this source might also be helpful. Thanks, David Kent Coy in Decatur, Illinois See REVOLUTIONARY SOLDIERS BURIED IN INDIANA (1949) WITH SUPPLEMENT (1954), compiled by Margaret R. Waters, with an added table of contents, two volumes in one, Genealogical Publishing Company, Baltimore, 1970, page 27 "RHOADS, DANIEL Vigo Co. (Uncertain: see discrepancy). b. 10-5-1755; d. 4-26-1839; bur. Pisgah Cem., Sugar Creek Twp., Gr. 1, Lot 114; m. (1st), 2-10-1777, Eve Foust, ae. 15 yr. 3 mo., d. 1-15-1792, ae. 30 plus; m. (2nd), 3-15-1794, Nelson Co., Ky., Elizabeth Newman, b. 3-20-1773, d. post 1849, Edgar Co., Illinois; chn.-David, b. 11-20-1773; Elizabeth, b. Feb. 1779, m. 12-10-1807, ___ Black; Jacob, b. 8-10-1786; Rachel, b. 11-25-1780; child, b. ,-10-1783; Catharine, b. 4-6-1789; Sarah, b. 4-6-1789; Hannah, b. 11-15-1791, d. 5-8-?; Thomas, b. 7-13-1794 (?); Jonathan, b. 9-3-1798; Isaac, b. 2-2-1803; Joseph, b. 1-17-1804 (?); John, b. 2-7-1809; Newman, b. 10-3-1811 (of Edgar Co., Illinois, 1848); George, b. 12-11-1814. Pens. appl. 8-1-1818, Knox Co., Ind., in 63rd yr., 5 chn. with him. only 1 ch. old enough to work; on Ind. Pens. Roll, 5-3-1830, liv. in Vigo Co., Ind.; in 1833, ae. 79, Vigo Co.; wid. in Edgar Co., Illinois, 1848-1849. (none of the Affids. in file indicate anything but that the sold. d. in Ind. However, an affid. from a man in Richmond, Ray Co., Mo., says sold. d. in Edgar Co., Illinois, within 5 mi. of Paris, Illinois It is possible that he has confused the sold. & the wid., as pens. file says sold. was pd. in Ind. up to time of death, and grave location seems positive. He might, however, have d. in Edgar Co., Illinois just over the State Line & been bur. in Vigo Co., Ind. In contradiction, the sold. is said to have d. in Edgar Co., Illinois, & bur. in Ogden Cem. This man is said to have been from Mass. & served in Mass., Capt. Samuel Payson, Col. John Grafton; later Col. Joseph Read. This disagrees completely with the service record below, which I found in the pens. file. I think that there were likely two men of the same name. MRW.). Enl. June 1775, Bedford Co., Pa., Comp. of riflemen, Capt. Cluggage (sp?), Col. Thompson; 1 yr. REF-Pens. W.1485 Pa.; Am. Leg.; 1835 Pens. List, v. 3, p.34; "Illinois Rev. Sold.", p.35."

Thanks Merle C Rummel > It appears time to offer an update on the family of Henry Rhoads and > Catharina (Rheinhardt).

It appears time to offer an update on the family of Henry Rhoads and Catharina (Rheinhardt). Questions are welcome, corrections if you have any. Some of my conclusions differ from most of what I've seen in print, and I figured with the internet it was best to keep a free flow of information. I have more notes and documentation, but it's not going to fit in an email. I don't have a lot of narrative, as the first priority is to ensure the family is correctly assembled. Henry Rhoads [Sr] was born abt. 1712 pr, Germany, and died 07 Apr 1774 Stonycreek Twp, Bedford (Somerset) Co, PA. He m. Catherina (Rheinhardt) abt. 1738 pr, PA. She was born abt. 1717 pr, Germany, and died aft. 1775 in Stonycreek Twp, Bedford (Somerset) Co, PA. My interpretation of Cooper, and Rhods, p1, is Henry Sr, was the son of Heinrich Roth (pr, b. Germany) and Catherine Cauble, but I've found nothing to support this. Likewise I've found nothing to support the maiden name of Henry, Sr.'s wife Catherina. Children of Henry Rhoads and Catherina (Rheinhardt) are: 1. Capt. Henry Rhoads, b. 05 Jun 1739, ps, Germantown, PA; d. 06 Mar 1814, Browder, Muhlenberg Co, KY; m.(1) Elizabeth Stoner, 09 Oct 1760, Pleasant View Church, Burkittsville, Frederick Co, MD; b. 25 Mar 1744, pr, Frederick (then Prince George's) Co, MD d/o Elder John Stoner; d. 02 Oct 1807, Browder, Muhlenberg Co, KY; m. (2) Barbara Lauriman, 09 Feb 1808, Logan Co, KY; b. 1787, Logan Co, KY; d. aft. 1812. 2. Barbara Rhoads, b. abt. 1741, PA; d. bef. 1809, Bedford Twp, Bedford Co, PA; m. Michael Sells, abt. 1766; b. abt. 1739; d. abt. 1814, Bedford Twp, Bedford Co, PA. 3. Catherine Rhoads, b. abt. 1743, PA; d. abt. 1782, Bedford Co, PA; m. Frederick Severs, abt. 1770, Bedford Co, PA; b. abt. 1740 (bef. 1752), MD; d. 1804, Pond Creek, Muhlenberg Co, KY. 6 children. Frederick Severs, m.(2) ca. 1783-90 unk. 3 children. m.(3) 1796 Catherine Botts, b. 1780 Bedford Co, PA, d. Oct 1898, near Horeb, Muhlenberg Co, KY. No children by this marriage. 4. Gabriel Rhoads, b. 15 Jun 1744, Frederick Co, MD; d. Jan 1818, Somerset Twp, Somerset Co, PA; m. Rachel Shadacre, 28 Feb 1769, Cumberland Co, PA; b. 15 Jan 1749/50, d/o Valentine Shadacre; d. abt. 1829, Geistown, Cambria Co, PA (date, location is undocumented). 9 children. 5. John Rhoads, b. 08 Feb 1746/47, Frederick Co, MD; d. 12 Jul 1816, Stonycreek Twp, Somerset Co, PA; m. Catherine (unk), abt. 1773, Bedford Co, PA; b. 14 Apr 1748; d. 07 Dec 1837, Stonycreek Twp, Somerset Co, PA. 6. Susannah Rhoads, b. abt. 1748, Frederick Co, MD; d. aft. 1785; m. John Sweitzer, bef. 1776; b. abt. 1745, possibly removed to Ohio with brother Jacob. 7. Jacob Rhoads, b. abt. 1750, Frederick Co, MD; d. 1790, Londonderry Twp, Bedford Co, PA; m. Rebecca Boyer, abt. 1776, Bedford Co, PA; b. 31 Jan 1757, Frederick Co, MD, d/o Michael Boyer; d. 29 Aug 1805, PA. 8. Joseph Rhoads, b. 1753, Frederick Co, MD; d. 28 Oct 1799, Muhlenberg Co, KY. 2 known children. 9. Daniel Rhoads, b. 05 Oct 1755, Frederick Co, MD; d. 08 Apr 1838, Paris, Edgar Co, IL; m. (1) Eva Faust, 10 Feb 1777, Bedford Co, PA; b. 19 Nov 1761, Lower Millford Twp, Lehigh Co, PA, d/o Nicholas Faust; d. 15 Jan 1792, Nelson Co, KY; m. (2) Elizabeth Newman, 10 Mar 1794, Nelson Co, KY; b. 20 Mar 1773, Catawba Creek, Fincastle, Botetourt Co, VA; d. 28 Feb 1855, Edgar Co, PA. "The Brethren Encyclopedia," 3 vol., Philadelphia, PA: The Brethren Encyclopedia Inc., 1983. Vol.2, p1124. "Brethren Roots: A Quarterly Journal Published by Fellowship of Brethren Genealogists." Tipp City, OH: Fellowship of Brethren Genealogists. vol.39, no.2, Summer 2007, pp25-29. -- Rhoads, Roger R. "The Wigle, Wolfe and Donner Families: another connection." Cooper, Austin H., "Two Centuries of Brothersvalley, Church of the Brethren, 1762 to 1962" Westminster, MD: The Times Inc, 1962. Chap. 9 - Two Famous Pathfinders. Engel, Marie L. "The Earliest Rhodes of Bedford, Blair, Huntingdon, Mifflin, and Somerset Counties of Pennsylvania." Salisbury: M.L. Engel, 1985. Hamilton, Walter, J., ed, "Two Centuries of the Church of the Brethren in Western Pennsylvania 1751-1950." Elgin, IL: Brethren Publishing House, 1953. Isenhart, Marcella. "Heinrich Roth, Early 1700's-1774" Dubuque, IA: M. Isenhart, ca. 2002. Maryland Archives, Land Records, Court Proceedings. PA Archives, series 1-6; 13.50; 17.88, etc. Rhoads, J. Paul. "The Family of Henry the Elder." Green Valley, AZ: Rhoads, 1959. Rhods, Alvin L. "Genealogies of Rhoads-Scott and Related Families," Decorah, IA: Anundsen Pub Co, 1987. "The Rhoads Quarterly." Madison, AL: Al Rhods. ----------------------- Unfortunately I was unable to obtain a copy of the following reference. The one library that would send a copy via, interlibrary loan was lost by the U.S. Post Office. Her first book was good and I wanted to see what she wrote in her update. She does solid research and her citations are well above the norm. Engel, Marie Leighty. "Henry Rhoads Senr: immigrant and his earliest descendants." Salisbury, MD: M.L. Engel, 1997. Sincerely, Glen Swartz **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001)

Jan T--Before you throw out that paper regarding the Nocona TX Brethren--is it possible to locate the source of this material? Sorry to be so picky, but it would help the rest of us find this article a little easier. Thanks. Jane Davis. > From: KTompk7744@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 11:58:28 -0400> To: brubaker-L@rootsweb.com; brethren@rootsweb.com> CC: brubaker@rootsweb.com> Subject: [BRE] Nocona TX (Brubaker, Molsbee & others)> > Found in one of those local TX histories at HeritageQuest, while I was > searching for Brubakers:> > "Church of the Brethren, Nocona> "Was organized April 6, 1889 with 21 charter members > including Abraham Molsbee, Sue Molsbee, David Molsbee,> Samuel Molsbee, Nannie Molsbee, Henry Brubaker, A.> Brubaker, Abbie Brubaker, Mollie Brubaker, Dora > Brubaker, Minnie Brubaker, Henry Troxel, E. C. Neal,> Sue Neal, Amy Neal, Andrew C Gillenwaters, Racheal > Gillenwaters, John Troxel, Nancie Troxel, Daniel Troxel> and Alice Troxel.> > "These met at the house of Henry Brubaker three miles> north of Nocona, Known as Molsbee Chapel.> > "A Sunday school was organized on May 30, 1891.> The group met in the homes of Henry Brubaker and> Abraham Molsbee and at various school houses around> the community. The first church building was erected > in 1908. Twice fire hasa destroyed the church, on> November 7, 1941 and October 22, 1948. The church> was rebuilt each time and in 1954 Sunday school rooms> were added.> > "The early church was led by Abraham Molsbee and> Henry Brubaker. Other ministers have included A. A.> Sutter, K G Tennison, J A Miller, E M Kidwell, D G> Brubaker, F E Maxey, Walter Peckover, C E Schrock,> D E Rodabaugh, J A Eby, Edward L. Murray."> > (These turned out not to be any of the Brubakers I was hunting, but now I > can toss this page out.) I hope some of these folks belong to somebody on the > list.> > Happy hunting.> > Jan T> > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001)> > ------------------------> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN> ------------------------> Support Our Sponsoring Agency> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG)> For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com> ------------------------> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ In a rush? Get real-time answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_realtime_042008

Found in one of those local TX histories at HeritageQuest, while I was searching for Brubakers: "Church of the Brethren, Nocona "Was organized April 6, 1889 with 21 charter members including Abraham Molsbee, Sue Molsbee, David Molsbee, Samuel Molsbee, Nannie Molsbee, Henry Brubaker, A. Brubaker, Abbie Brubaker, Mollie Brubaker, Dora Brubaker, Minnie Brubaker, Henry Troxel, E. C. Neal, Sue Neal, Amy Neal, Andrew C Gillenwaters, Racheal Gillenwaters, John Troxel, Nancie Troxel, Daniel Troxel and Alice Troxel. "These met at the house of Henry Brubaker three miles north of Nocona, Known as Molsbee Chapel. "A Sunday school was organized on May 30, 1891. The group met in the homes of Henry Brubaker and Abraham Molsbee and at various school houses around the community. The first church building was erected in 1908. Twice fire hasa destroyed the church, on November 7, 1941 and October 22, 1948. The church was rebuilt each time and in 1954 Sunday school rooms were added. "The early church was led by Abraham Molsbee and Henry Brubaker. Other ministers have included A. A. Sutter, K G Tennison, J A Miller, E M Kidwell, D G Brubaker, F E Maxey, Walter Peckover, C E Schrock, D E Rodabaugh, J A Eby, Edward L. Murray." (These turned out not to be any of the Brubakers I was hunting, but now I can toss this page out.) I hope some of these folks belong to somebody on the list. Happy hunting. Jan T **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001)

Hi, I enjoyed our conservation this evening. I pray that you will enjoy a safe trip to China. Here is our Neff Web Site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~neff/ Then chose D Line of Neff. Here is the Neff Family D- line to which the Gans family connects. The Descendants of Jacob Neff D Line By John F. Murray Listing 2005 descendants for 6 generations. ______________________________________________ GENERATION NO. 1 .D Jacob NEFF was born about 1688 in Germany, Dühren. He was the son of Hans Heinrich NEFF. Jacob died 1751 in Frederick Co., MD. He married Catherine ..... about 1714. She was born about 1694 in Germany, Dühren. Catherine died 1776 in Frederick Co., MD. Known children of Jacob NEFF and Catherine ..... are: .D1 Francis NEFF b. about 1718 d. about 1801 .D2 Margaret NEFF b. about 1720 d. 1798 .D3 Jacob NEFF b. about 1722 d. about 1787 .D4 Esther NEFF b. about 1725 d. about 1817 .D5 Henry NEFF b. about 1729 d. before November 1787 .D6 John NEFF b. about 1731 d. about 1815 .D7 Adam NEFF b. about 1733 d. 1818 .D8 Catherine NEFF b. about 1735 d. about 1828 ______________________________________________ GENERATION NO. 2 .D1 Francis NEFF was born about 1718 in Chester Co., PA, Coventry Twp. Francis died about 1801 in Washington Co., PA. He married (1) Elizabeth HESS about 1745. She was the daughter of Valentine HESS and Rachel ...... Elizabeth died before 1752. Known children of Francis NEFF and Elizabeth HESS are: .D11 Martin NEFF b. about 1747 d. before 13 January 1827 .D12 Margaret NEFF b. 1749 Francis married (2) Catherine ..... 1750/1752. Known children of Francis NEFF and Catherine ..... are: .D13 Jacob NEFF b. about 1753 d. after 1814 .D14 Esther NEFF b. about 1755 d. about 1830 .D15 Adam NEFF b. about 1758 d. after 1814 .D16 George NEFF b. about 1760 .D17 John NEFF b. about 1762 .D18 Abraham [Abram] NEFF b. about 1766 d. about 1857 .D2 Margaret NEFF was born about 1720 in Chester Co., PA, Coventry Twp. Margaret died 1798 in Washington Co., PA. She married Georg Schaiteler (SHIDELER) 20 December 1739 in Lancaster Co., PA, now York Co, Hellam Twp. He was born about 1718 in Germany, Bonfeld. Georg died 1784 in Washington Co., PA. Known children of Margaret NEFF and Georg Schaiteler (SHIDELER) are: .D21 John SHIDELER b. 3 March 1741 d. 14 March 1817 .D22 Jacob SHIDELER b. about 1742 d. 1809 .D23 Henry SHIDELER b. 22 January 1744 d. 13 February 1830 .D24 Ann SHIDELER b. about 1745 .D25 Catherine SHIDELER b. about 1747 .D26 Barbara SHIDELER b. about 1749 .D27 Peter SHIDELER b. 1751 d. 9 July 1830 .D28 Adam SHIDELER b. about 1755 d. October 1815 ______________________________________________ GENERATION NO. 3 .D13 Jacob NEFF was born about 1753 in Lancaster Co., PA. Jacob died after 1814. He married Catherine ...... She was born about 1745. Known children of Jacob NEFF and Catherine ..... are: .D131 Henry NEFF b. about 1775 d. before 1850 .D132 John NEFF b. about 1784 d. about 1835 .D133 Daughter NEFF b. about 1791--- Married unknown ***** .D134 Son NEFF b. after 1795 .D17 John NEFF was born about 1762 in York Co., PA. His spouse has not been identified.Known children of John NEFF and Unidentified Spouse are: .D171 Francis NEFF b. 1786 .D172 George NEFF b. 1788 .D173 Daughter NEFF b. before 1794 one of these daughters may have married Daniel Gans ***** .D174 Daughter NEFF b. before 1794 .D175 John NEFF b. 1795 .D176 Daughter NEFF b. before 1800 .D177 Daughter NEFF b. before 1800 .D178 Henry NEFF b. 1802 .D179 Son NEFF b. about 1804 .D17A Daughter NEFF b. before 1810 .D17B Daughter NEFF b. before 1810 .D18 Abraham [Abram] NEFF was born about 1766 in York Co., PA. Abraham died about 1857 in Greene Co., PA. He married Susan ..... about 1794 in Washington Co., PA. She was born 1768. Susan died after 1850 in Greene Co., PA. Known children of Abraham [Abram] NEFF and Susan ..... are: .D181 daughter NEFF b. about 1795 --- Married unknown ***** perhaps too young to be wife of Daniel Gans .D182 Henry NEFF b. 1797 my ancestor md. Barbara Mishler -- [John Murray] .D183 John NEFF b. 1799 d. 29 March 1865 .D184 Son NEFF b. after 1800 .D185 Daughter NEFF b. after 1800 .D186 Son NEFF b. before 1810 .D21 John SHIDELER was born 3 March 1741 in Frederick Co., MD. John died 14 March 1817 in Washington Co., PA, W. Bethlehem Twp. He married Catherine WISE about 1768. She was born 1745. She was the daughter of Peter WISE and Mary M. MILLER. Catherine died 1824 in Washington Co., PA, W. Bethlehem Twp. Known children of John SHIDELER and Catherine WISE are: .D211 Catherine SHIDLER b. about 1769 d. about 1824 md John Gans ***** .D212 John SHIDLER b. about 1771 d. after 1850 .D213 Barbara SHIDLER b. about 1774 .D214 Hannah SHIDLER b. about 1776 d. before 1825 .D215 Margaret SHIDLER b. about 1778 d. 29 November 1843 md Benjamin Gans ***** .D216 George SHIDLER b. 10 November 1779 d. 5 May 1855 .D217 Jacob SHIDLER b. 10 June 1781 d. 1864 .D218 Henry SHIDLER b. about 1784 .D219 Peter SHIDLER b. 19 January 1786 d. 22 April 1871 .D21A Daniel SHIDLER b. 19 January 1787 d. after 1850 .D21B Esther SHIDLER b. 6 September 1788 d. 21 February 1829 .D21C David SHIDLER b. about 1790 d. .D21D Elizabeth SHIDLER b. about 1792 d. after 1824 Well, this should help us do some research. I'm looking forward to your information on the George Gans and Susannah Arnold family - and grandchildren and spouses. Birth dates where possible and places lived. Thank you, Best regards, John John F. Murray 303 E Indiana St., Kouts, IN 219-766-3981 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gael Entrikin" <63gbe@charter.net> To: <BRETHREN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:35 PM Subject: [BRE] Neff/Gans >I am seeking an Ester Neff. The only information I have about her is > that she married Daniel Gans. Daniel was born ca. 1780 (I have an > unverified source that says Nov. 1780) and lived in Fayette Co, PA. > (Two of his children were born there) Daniel died in 1865 in > Hamilton Co, Ohio. I have the following information from a will source: > Will filed in Probate Court, Hamilton County, Ohio 1791 - > 1901 Volume 1 A-K Compiled by Lois E Highes > Prepared by Archives and Rare Books Dept University Libaries, > University of Cincinnati 513.556.1959 for copy Page 171 > Gans, Daniel Box 18, Case No 9814 - Green Twp Filed 11/18/1865 > Executors Garret Lane and Joseph Gans > Beneficiaries: Susan King, John Gans, Catherine Gio, Hannah Lane, > Harriet Gans, Louis Gans, William Gans, Caroline Moore, Joseph Gans > The women are all daughters. My information that his wife's name was > Neff comes from Beryl Modest Berchinal's book on the Gans-Ganss > Family. I do not know how long Daniel lived in Fayette Co, nor when > he moved to Ohio. I do know that his father , George, is at least in > one instance identified as Brethren, and that his son William was > married twice, once to Melinda Harris in Indiana, who died young, and > then to a woman named Anna. William became a Disciple (Cambellite) > minister and died in Kansas in 1885. > > Gael Entrikin > 1508 28th St SW > Rochester MN 55902 > 507 288 3948 > “We have to figure out how to live without fossil fuels someday... > Why not sooner?” > — James Hanson > > > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Yes, David, That is why I have not taken previous family researchers assumptions as true. Sarah ----- Original Message ----- From: <brethren-request@rootsweb.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:01 AM Subject: BRETHREN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 102 > > > Plain digests are sent to subscribers with all posts listed in one long > email. The alternative is MIME digests, which for many subscribers will > appear with each post as an individual attachment, although for others, > there is just one attachment. The default digest delivery is Plain, but if > you want your digest in MIME, please contact us at > BRETHREN-admin@rootsweb.com directly and we'll switch you over. > > To reply to a message, quote only that specific message, removing the rest > of the digest from your reply. Also, remember to change the subject of > your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are > replying. > > To browse the archives, visit > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=brethren > > Thanks, > your co-moderators > BRETHREN-admin@rootsweb.com > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Schneider Family (myerswd@juno.com) > 2. Re: Schneider Family...German Speaking (William Thomas) > 3. All those interested in the Holler tree (Patrick McGarry) > 4. Neff descendants (Patrick McGarry) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:45:36 -0600 > From: myerswd@juno.com > Subject: Re: [BRE] Schneider Family > To: brethren@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <20080318.175458.-237075.0.MyersWD@juno.com> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Sarah, > > I don't think that you can assume too much based on Jacob Holmes' will > being written in German. Oftentimes, people would be primarily > German-speakers for two or three generations after they immigrated to > America. > > David Myers > > > On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 06:58:48 -0700 "Sarah Holmes" <slholmes@usa.com> > writes: > >> I am looking for a Catherine Schneider, born about 1757 (birthplace >> unknown), died 1827 in Wayne Co., Ohio. She married Jacob >> Holms/Holmes. Most of their children (Daniel, Caty, Polly, John, >> Jonas, Susannah) were born in MD. They moved to Westmoreland, Co., >> PA and it is possible their two younger children (Elizabeth and >> Joseph) were born there. Jacob died in 1815. His will was in >> German and I have only seen translations of it. The spelling of his >> name varies within the same document. Previous family members who >> completed research a number of years ago, made the assumption he was >> the original immigrant based on the German will, but I have come to >> believe this may be an erroneous assumption. He first shows up on >> tax records in Westmoreland about 1801. His children take on the >> English spelling of Holmes. His first born, Daniel, marries a >> "Nancy" and moves to Congress Township, Wayne County, Ohio. >> Catherine Schneider Holmes is buried there. Is there any church >> record that indicates a marriage between Catherine Schneider and >> Jacob Holms? Or baptism of their children? Probably in MD. >> >> >> >> Thank you for any assistance you can provide. >> >> Sarah >> >> ------------------------ >> Search the Archives at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> ------------------------ >> Support Our Sponsoring Agency >> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) >> For further information contact Ron McAdams >> mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com >> ------------------------ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:53:34 -0400 > From: "William Thomas" <wbtst2@atlanticbb.net> > Subject: Re: [BRE] Schneider Family...German Speaking > To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001601c8895b$a9d95140$6401a8c0@thomas01> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > My ancestors came to America before the American Revolution, and my father > remembers family members speaking German. A 1940 article on one relative > notes she didn't learn English until she was in her late teens. They were > Mennonites, but even today, Amish still speak German, and most of their > roots go back to the 1740's. > > German Baptist's held church services exclusively in German until the mid > 1820's, almost 100 years after they came to America. > > Bill Thomas > > -----Original Message----- > From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of myerswd@juno.com > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 3:46 PM > To: brethren@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BRE] Schneider Family > > Sarah, > > I don't think that you can assume too much based on Jacob Holmes' will > being written in German. Oftentimes, people would be primarily > German-speakers for two or three generations after they immigrated to > America. > > David Myers > > > On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 06:58:48 -0700 "Sarah Holmes" <slholmes@usa.com> > writes: > >> I am looking for a Catherine Schneider, born about 1757 (birthplace >> unknown), died 1827 in Wayne Co., Ohio. She married Jacob >> Holms/Holmes. Most of their children (Daniel, Caty, Polly, John, >> Jonas, Susannah) were born in MD. They moved to Westmoreland, Co., >> PA and it is possible their two younger children (Elizabeth and >> Joseph) were born there. Jacob died in 1815. His will was in >> German and I have only seen translations of it. The spelling of his >> name varies within the same document. Previous family members who >> completed research a number of years ago, made the assumption he was >> the original immigrant based on the German will, but I have come to >> believe this may be an erroneous assumption. He first shows up on >> tax records in Westmoreland about 1801. His children take on the >> English spelling of Holmes. His first born, Daniel, marries a >> Nancy and moves to Congress Township, Wayne County, Ohio. >> Catherine Schneider Holmes is buried there. Is there any church >> record that indicates a marriage between Catherine Schneider and >> Jacob Holms? Or baptism of their children? Probably in MD. >> >> >> >> Thank you for any assistance you can provide. >> >> Sarah >> >> ------------------------ >> Search the Archives at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> ------------------------ >> Support Our Sponsoring Agency >> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) >> For further information contact Ron McAdams >> mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com >> ------------------------ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:28:31 -0700 (PDT) > From: Patrick McGarry <hawkwind275@yahoo.com> > Subject: [BRE] All those interested in the Holler tree > To: brethren-l@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <118426.77490.qm@web34805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > For all those interested in the Holler name, please email me outside of > this list. THe few I know of on here I have emailed, but not heard back > from. I find a new connection in the John Holler-Barbara Beeghley (her > mother was an Ullery) family. Thanks. > > Patrick > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:31:22 -0700 (PDT) > From: Patrick McGarry <hawkwind275@yahoo.com> > Subject: [BRE] Neff descendants > To: brethren-l@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <581267.81448.qm@web34803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > For those interesed in the Neff family, and also are in touch with Harold > and Glatha Neff, please email off of this list. Ruth Neff Miller of > Trotwood, Ohio died at age 101. If interested, contact me at my hawkwind > address. I do not know RObert Miller's (Ruth's husband) genealogy. If > you do, email me as well. 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I am seeking an Ester Neff. The only information I have about her is that she married Daniel Gans. Daniel was born ca. 1780 (I have an unverified source that says Nov. 1780) and lived in Fayette Co, PA. (Two of his children were born there) Daniel died in 1865 in Hamilton Co, Ohio. I have the following information from a will source: Will filed in Probate Court, Hamilton County, Ohio 1791 - 1901 Volume 1 A-K Compiled by Lois E Highes Prepared by Archives and Rare Books Dept University Libaries, University of Cincinnati 513.556.1959 for copy Page 171 Gans, Daniel Box 18, Case No 9814 - Green Twp Filed 11/18/1865 Executors Garret Lane and Joseph Gans Beneficiaries: Susan King, John Gans, Catherine Gio, Hannah Lane, Harriet Gans, Louis Gans, William Gans, Caroline Moore, Joseph Gans The women are all daughters. My information that his wife's name was Neff comes from Beryl Modest Berchinal's book on the Gans-Ganss Family. I do not know how long Daniel lived in Fayette Co, nor when he moved to Ohio. I do know that his father , George, is at least in one instance identified as Brethren, and that his son William was married twice, once to Melinda Harris in Indiana, who died young, and then to a woman named Anna. William became a Disciple (Cambellite) minister and died in Kansas in 1885. Gael Entrikin 1508 28th St SW Rochester MN 55902 507 288 3948 “We have to figure out how to live without fossil fuels someday... Why not sooner?” — James Hanson

Hi, I do not know Ruth's genealogy but I pass this on to Harold and Glatha. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick McGarry" <hawkwind275@yahoo.com> To: <brethren-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 9:31 PM Subject: [BRE] Neff descendants > For those interesed in the Neff family, and also are in touch with Harold > and Glatha Neff, please email off of this list. Ruth Neff Miller of > Trotwood, Ohio died at age 101. If interested, contact me at my hawkwind > address. I do not know RObert Miller's (Ruth's husband) genealogy. If > you do, email me as well. Thanks. > > Patrick McGarry > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! > Search. > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Glen, Also to Bill Thomas: I'm still trying to find the Penna. background of my husband's ancestor, Francis Stump. Would you mind telling me any more "suspicions" you have about Francis Stump and the two John Stumps? Is there anything to make you think Francis could be a brother of either one -- such as dates - or anything else? Much of the oldest records we have been able to find have definitely connected my deceased husband's Francis to Johann Julian and the Jacob who married Elizabeth Becker. Are there Brethren records I might be able to access that might show some information? Francis died in Muhlenberg County Kentucky in 1801. He may have married Rachel Martin in Penna. before going south. Francis 'could' have been born around the 1748 date - perhaps closer to Philadelphia, and come from a Brethren group prior to your 1748 given date. Such as his becoming a member of Brethren group - or marrying Rachel? I do appreciate all the things I learn from people working in Somerset County PA. I've also learned much of Conrad Beissel and Ephrata. Any suggestions either, or both, of you might suggest to me will certainly be welcome. Sincerely, Liz Stump -- Mary Elizabeth Campbell Stump - e-mail: liztuc@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ---- From: "GlSwartz@aol.com" <GlSwartz@aol.com> To: brethren@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 10:11:11 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Jacob Newmyer, Brothers Valleys Thanks Bill: The Newcomer and Newmyer names seem to be fairly distinct, and I haven't run into any records where variations on the names would be confused. I have also run into connections between the two families. I have one Peter Newcomer, born 1753 in Manor Twp, Lancaster Co, PA. He was Mennonite, and later settled in Tyrone Twp, Fayette Co, PA. His son Christian, married about 1814 to Mary Newmyer, who was the granddaughter of Jacob. Based on proximity, I'd imagine Wolf and Peter were probably related. Glen Swartz ------------------ 3/17/2008 10:08:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wbtst2@atlanticbb.net writes: Glen: I was looking at some wills for John Stump of Leacock Township, Lancaster County, and came across something that may relate to the Newmyer family. I have suspected that Francis Stump and John Stump of Somerset County had some connection to the family of John Stump of Leacock Township. John's father was Johann Julian Stump, who had ties to Alexander Mack in Europe. Another son of Johann Julian was Jacob Stump who married Elizabeth Becker. John Stump of Leacock was associated with Conrad Beissel and Ephrata. Anyway, one of the executors of John Stump was Wolf Newcomer. Wolf Newcomer was also the guardian of his son Peter Stump. The Will is dated 1748, and the Orphans Court record is 1754. Newcomer and Newmyer seem very close. Recall a John Stump witness the property sale of Jacob Newmyer. Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- March 14, 2008 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Jacob Newmyer, Brothers Valleys Thanks Bill, I'm starting to feel like a moth circling around a candle. The comment gave a little more focus and I found a number of further connections between the two families and at least one more probable child of Jacob. Glen Swartz ------------------ 3/13/2008, wbtst2@atlanticbb.net writes: Per his journal, Harmon Husband purchased property from Jacob Newmayer and Henry Rhoads in 1772 along Rhoads Creek (which he notes was previously called Newmayer's Creek) in the Glades area of Somerset County. One would assume Rhoads and Newmayer had some form of association. John Stump was a witness on the sale transaction. (Bill Thomas) **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message