I'm very behind in keeping up with my email, but I presently have Ruth C. Snyder's book on the "Fosher Girls . . . daughters of Daniel Fosher and Marillis (Eckel)Fosher (1785-1970)" [Lincoln, NE: self-published(?), 1982] on InterLibraryLoan for another week or so. I would be glad to check any info available. It's not very well organized or documented and not very sporadic on ancestors. (She has Elizabeth Landes's father --Henry-- but not the mother, for example. She has another half-page on the family of a John Jacob Landes, b Germany 1696, and married Margaret Naas, daughter of John Naas. But does not tie in this family with that of Henry Landes or explain why she's including the John Jacob Landes family. She Includes a good deal of family tradition and has tried to check info for accuracy etc. I'm interested in the family because Daniel Fosher/Fascher's wife (Marilla/Marillis Eckle--various spellings) was the sister of Elizabeth Eccle/Eagle, etc., who married Mathias Sni/yder and moved to Botetourt Co., VA, c1785, about whom I've written on this forum. JGLAP@aol.com wrote: > Can you tell me who the parents of Elizabeth Landes were? I have > Landes/Landis connections. Thank you. > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hello, I'm a direct descendant Abraham Flora and Christena Frantz, and would love the information on the person you noted who passed away. Thanks in advance, Becky (Young) Hoatland > Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:53:48 -0700> From: hawkwind275@yahoo.com> To: brethren-l@rootsweb.com> Subject: [BRE] A descendant of Abraham Flora and Christena Frantz died this past week at age 105. If anybody is interested, email me off of list and will give you more. Thanks.> > A descendant of Abraham Flora and Christena Frantz died this past week at age 105. If anybody is interested, email me off of list and will give you more. Thanks.> > ---------------------------------> Special deal for Yahoo! users & friends - No Cost. Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now> > ------------------------> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN> ------------------------> Support Our Sponsoring Agency> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG)> For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com> ------------------------> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ How well do you know your celebrity gossip? http://originals.msn.com/thebigdebate?ocid=T002MSN03N0707A

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I am a direct descendent of John's. Diane Kerchner -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Merle C Rummel Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 3:32 AM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRE] Hendricks Family I'm working on my Frontier Brethren Book - Can anyone give me family sheet information on Elder John Hendricks and his children and grandchildren? I also have a Thomas Hendricks there on Drakes Creek - seemingly a brother or son of Elder John There is a James Hendricks up at Hinkston Creek - are family sheets available on this family? Merle C Rummel ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1346 - Release Date: 3/27/2008 10:03 AM

I'm working on my Frontier Brethren Book - Can anyone give me family sheet information on Elder John Hendricks and his children and grandchildren? I also have a Thomas Hendricks there on Drakes Creek - seemingly a brother or son of Elder John There is a James Hendricks up at Hinkston Creek - are family sheets available on this family? Merle C Rummel

Merle, I do not have John Hendricks in my data base. However, I do have Bazil Hendricks who was born in Harrison Co,OH. Maybe he is related to your John Hendricks? I do have an orbit for him from Biographical and Historical Record - Adams and Wells Co. Indiana, Lewis Publishing Co. Chicago, IL 1887. which mentions that his parents were John and Susannah who were natives of PA. Bazil's birth date is 1 Sept 1818. The orbit does not mention any religious affiliation for Bazil, however he is indirectly related to the Steeles from Bedford Co,PA. If you would like a copy of the orbit, please let me know. Lynn Hilty Sewell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Merle C Rummel" <cliff@rtkonline.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 5:31 AM Subject: [BRE] Hendricks Family > I'm working on my Frontier Brethren Book - > > Can anyone give me family sheet information on Elder John Hendricks and > his children and grandchildren? > > I also have a Thomas Hendricks there on Drakes Creek - seemingly a > brother or son of Elder John > > There is a James Hendricks up at Hinkston Creek - are family sheets > available on this family? > > Merle C Rummel > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Brothers marry sisters even today with heighthened mobility. It may have something to do with the leadership of the Creator. Ever considered that?????? -- George and Sherry IN GOD WE TRUST -------------- Original message from "Robert Carpenter" <rcarpenter2@charter.net>: -------------- > Dwayne and all, > > I find this discussion to be fascinating and yet very challenging. I am > only offering my penny's worth. > > Dwayne is right. There has to be a reason for this family connection. My > grandfather was a family of 2 brothers marrying 2 sisters. But both > families attended the same church! I have 2 brothers also marrying 2 > sisters in the post Revolutionary era. They were close neighbors and both > ended up in the Lutheran Church. > > In your example so many of the same family marrying so many others is truly > fascinating. Take away religion, neighbors, and that leaves only a few > options. > > There is the possibility that both had known each other previously, either > in Europe or in early America. Or as someone else has suggested, there may > be a familial relationship heretofore unknown. > > While religion is taken out of the equation, it may not completely be. So > many of our early pioneers sought religion in so many different ways. In > North Carolina where I have done most of my research, language dictated many > marriages among religous groups. Also here few Anabaptists were able to > continue their unique religious practices into the 19th Century. I have > noticed some amount of conformity between Anabaptist and Reformed belief > systems. > > What a unique problem. Trying to isolate it without proper documentation is > going to be very challenging. > > I wish you good luck, > > Robert Carpenter > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet Rogers" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 1:56 PM > Subject: [BRE] Explaining the Frantz-Garst Marriages > > > > Tossing in my 2 cents worth here - > > > > Could it have been the 1st marriage was the catalyst for the others? > > Let's say Ann and Mark meet at a Love Fest and then marry. Letters > > home, > > from Ann, would then no doubt describe the personalities of the others in > > the home, causing a desire to meet. > > Let's then say that Ann and Mark wish to build a home, and Ann's family > > comes to help build, meeting Mark's family. Friendships, attractions and > > bonds are made. Other letters are exchanged by Ann to her family with a > > line > > or two that reads, "Rebecca, Jacob finds your sense of humor attractive, > > or > > Johann, Mary was very impressed with your strength.." > > There next comes another Love Fest, another marriage and down the line. > > It is not inconceivable that these matches came about through letters > > home and the functions of marriages and funerals as well as the church's > > Love Fest. > > A bad crop at one end of the county could have led to others in the > > church helping that family in other ways or helping them to build a home, > > barn, maybe purchase cattle or seed. Just because you are separated by a > > great distance then, didn't mean there wasn't communication of some sort. > > Was there some sort of cattle auction there that all farmers attended > > to > > acquire stock? How about the once a month or season trek to a main town to > > gather supplies that couldn't be home grown, (coffee, sugar, cloth, oil > > for > > lanterns, fat or wax for candles). There is always family gossip at these > > times. > > Then there is always word of mouth. One neighbor dies and his funeral > > is > > attended. One of the mourners writes a letter home and the information is > > passed to others. This could have been the same with letting eligible men > > and women know who was available for marriage. > > > > Blessings > > Janet > > > > > > ------------------------ > > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > > ------------------------ > > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > > ------------------------ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

"History of the Brethren in Maryland" contains a bio. for Isaac Renner which includes the story of the Renner family with Francis Renner being "the King's printer in one of the large kingdoms of Germany about the year 1315". It states that William Renner came to America with a colony of Palatines and settled in Lancaster County, PA. Perhaps the material you are talking about was actually in the History of the Brethren in Maryland. Mary (Fair) Renner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Davis" <jneherda@msn.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Renner and the BE > Janet--I have tried unsuccessfully to locate the material you have written > regarding the Renners as being in the Brethren Encyclopedia (BE). There > is very little family history regarding this family in the encyclopedia. > Here are the references I have for material printed in the Brethren > Encyclopedia, none without references as to where the material was > resourced originally. > In the list of ministers there are three Renners--Eli (Levi) Renner, a > Church of the Brethren minister, b.9-6-1839, d. 2-9-1913. He was elder at > the Burr Oak Kansas church in 1882, presiding elder 1892-1894, and at Red > Cloud Nebraska 1895. He is referenced in Craik, History of the Brethren > in Kansas, 1922, pp 119, 348-349. > Francis C. Renner, b 6-14-1840, d. 12-15-1914, also Church of the > Brethren, he was elder at New Midway, Maryland according to the Brethren > Almanac, 1890, p. 37 and the Gospel Messenger 1915, p 75 (contains his > obit). > Isaac Renner is not identified as to Brethren affiliation, b. 3-24-1811, > d. 6-30-1880. He was elder at Monrovia, MD(?), Monocacy, MD. Taken from > a history of the Brethren in Maryland, 1939 publication, pp. 247-248. > The above three bios are found on page 1747 in the Brethren Encyclopedia, > in the ministerial list. > > On page 1341, (Brethren Encyclopedia) under the history of the White Rock > Church of the Brethren, North Dakota, the Renner family name is listed as > being part of the group which settled near Denbigh, McHenry County, North > Dakota, church organization July 28, 1900.The third reference to Renners > is found on page 995, Brethren Encyclopedia, in which F. C. Renner, New > Midway, MD was one of those involved in the business of selling patent > medicines. The references given is to the Church of the Brethren Annual > Conference Minutes for 1909, p. 1876. Others listed in this article on > patent medicines are the History of the House of Fahrney, 1892. James H. > Young, Toadstool Millionaires: A Social History of Patent Medicines in > America, published 1961, the History of the Colorado Brethren by Blanche > Frantz, 1963, pp 1-2. > > These are the only references on the Renner family that I can locate via > Vol 4 index to the first three volumes of the Brethren Encyclopedia, or in > searching through Volumes 1,2, 3. > > I also wrote articles for the Brethren Encyclopedia and all articles were > expected to have references citing their sources of material written for > the BE. A tremendous amount of original research went into producing the > encyclopedia, especially when one considers what was available to use in > the 1970's. One article that I did not put into the BE was one in which I > could not locate any information for the article on this one church > because I only had two names with no counties, no towns, no addresses with > which to search the state. Also, churches that did not last more than > five years were not included in the writings about the local church. > Today, one can find more material via the internet, etc. Many of the > books written earlier in our history did not have references so it is > unknown from whom or where they got their material. > > Hopefully, Janet, you will be able to locate where you got your xerox > copies of the Renner family bios but they did not appear in the B. E. (to > my knowledge). I am interested in the Eli (Levi) Renner who was out in > KS. There is a one-page bio in Craik's Kansas history on Eli Renner. > Craik used bios sent in by family members at his request. Eli was son of > Noah and Fanny Weaver Renner, born near Dayton OH. During his childhood > the family moved to Portland, Indiana. He married Diana Cubbison, of > Bloomfield, Indiana Jan. 14, 1862. They had four sons, and a foster > daughter survive his passing. He was baptized in the Bear Creek church > near Bloomfield, Indiana November 1865. Elected to the ministry in that > congregation and moved to Kansas 1879, Burr Oak where he remained until > his death, except for 6 months in Meriden KS 1896. Death was the result > of attack of la grippe and stroke of paralysis. His last act was to sign > a check in payment for his share to the support of h! > is pastor. He was kind and considerate of others, continually concerned > about the welfare of the church which he loved. > > Best wishes for your continued research, Jane Davis. > > > >> From: rogers922@intrstar.net> To: brethren@rootsweb.com> Date: Sat, 22 >> Mar 2008 21:46:21 -0400> Subject: [BRE] Renner and the BE> > Dear Merle,> >> Or really, anyone on the list that may be able to answer the question.> I >> have xerox copies of the biographies of my RENNER's listed in the > >> Brethren Encyclopedia (which I cannot lay my hands on at the moment). I >> also > have a xerox copy of the Roy Bohn "Genealogy of the Renner Family" >> circl > 1937.> In the introduction of the Bohn work, Roy basically >> transfered, lifter, > plagerized, borrowed, whatever you would like to >> call it, excerpts from the > BE Renner biographies.> In these biographies >> it states, "The Renner family came from sturdy > German ancestry. Their >> lineage came into prominence when one Francis Renner > was make the >> King's printer in one of the large kingdom's of Germany in > 1315. This >> printer, Francis Renner, was one of the best educated men of his > day >> and had great influence in the royal household. His descend! > ents > continued in the royal service of the kingdom for many generations. > Some of > the grandsons of Francis won distinction as crusaders. They had > the spirit > of adventure. Some were pioneer Crusaders, while others > traveled as > merchants, or went out as valiant knights.> The descendents > of Francis Renner became numerous in Germany, and when > the persecutions > swept over Germany, William Renner, a dirct descendent of > the old > pioneer, Francis Renner, cast his lot with the faithful band of > > persecuted souls and came to America with a colony of Palatines. He > settled > in Lancaster County, PA and died there."> Now, my question is > this. Bohn, as stated before, lifted some material > from the BE. Bohn's > work has no footnotes, no reference to where information > was retreived, > etc. He does, in his preface, mention there were many family > bibles > involved. Is there any reference in the BE as to where some of this > > information came from? There are some errors that I can see, ! > one being that > if William Renner lived and died in Lancaster County, > PA, why is his > tombstone in Frederick County, MD?> Can anyone give me a > bit of a clue as to how the facts in the BE were > gathered, or were they > oral histories?> To quote a local colloquillism, "I think I done confused > myself."> > Blessings> Janet > > > ------------------------> Search the > Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN> ------------------------> > Support Our Sponsoring Agency> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists > (FOBG)> For further information contact Ron McAdams > mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com> ------------------------> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please > send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _________________________________________________________________ > How well do you know your celebrity gossip? > http://originals.msn.com/thebigdebate?ocid=T002MSN03N0707A > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

RE: Hi to someone -- Sometime back I remember reading that a guardian was appointed because "chosen" by "Frantz " I think that was spelling. I think that you may be mixing up the email I sent recently regarding a passage from the Peter Livengood Journal that noted that John Miller was loaned money in 1783 by Peter Livengood for keeping Frantz Stump. Bill Thomas

Hi to someone -- Sometime back I remember reading that a guardian was appointed because "chosen" by "Frantz " I think that was spelling. Since I've had to have all my records transferred from old cpu I know I've missed some things. However if anyone remembers such an e-mail I'd much appreciate your help. I may be inclined to think this was a minor - not the Francis Stump I'm seeking. Thanks again, Liz Stump ----- Original Message ---- From: "GlSwartz@aol.com" <GlSwartz@aol.com> To: BRETHREN@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 1:54:44 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Henry Roth/Rhoads - Troyer I believe a couple of these variations are transcript errors. Fryer appears on a warrant map, and I'm pretty sure was a transcript error. Boyer seems to appear when Droyer disappears and are again likely misreading's of the original records. I think the Orphans court record and will below refer to the same Abraham Rhoads. So, The evidence is now suffcient for me to conclude that Rebecca, wife of Jacob Rhoads, mentioned in the 1790 census, and probate records for Jacob, is identical to Barbara Troyer, d/o Michael Troyer and Magadalena Mast. (see earlier email: Subject: Re: [BRE] Henry Roth/Rhoads-re update. Abraham Date: 3/25/2008 7:09:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time. Text: A quick chronology for Jacob of Henry, Brothers Valley Twp) I have also used a process of elimination, and don't see any other solutions. Based on the records I've reviewed, it appears Jacob Rhoads (ca. 1748-1790), s/o Henry Rhoads (ca. 1712-1774) and Catherina, only had one survivning heir, Abraham, 1777-1866, who married Susanna Wingard. Supporting evidence: "Troyer Family Bible," Barbara, d/o Michael Troyer and Magdalena, b. 31 Jan 1757. 1790 Jun 21, Bedford Co, PA. Letters of Administration issued to Peter Buzzard on estate of Jacob Rhoads. His widow was Rebecca Rhoads. Bonds: Sol Lunn and Felix Mellin. 1790 Bedford Co, PA (M637-9), p251, ln40, Rebecka Roads, 0-1-2. (ln38 Joseph Boyer, ln54 Peter Nemire) 1793 Dec 17, Bedford Co, PA, Orphans Court. Came into court Abraham Road, grandson of Michael Boyer, above the age of 14 years and chose the said Michael Boyers as his guardian. 1803 Sep 18, will, Michael Troyer, to daughter Barbara a half share, and to Abraham Rhoads a half share. Barbara supposedly m.(2) aft. 1803 Peter Sipes. Since Barbara was already 46 years old in 1803, it is unlikely she had any children by Peter Sipe. ----------------------- Gingerich, Hugh F., "Amish and Amish Mennonite Genealogies." 2nd ed, Gordonville, PA: Pequea Pub., 2007. p526, [TY4] Barbara Troyer. m.(1) Henry Jacob Rhoads. m.(2) Peter Sipe. [my comment, I do not believe Barbara and this Peter had any issue] --------------------------- Rhods, Alvin L. "Genealogies of Rhoads-Scott and Related Families," Decorah, IA: Anundsen Pub Co, 1987. p6 [8] "Jacob, son of Henry and Katherine (Rheinhardt) Rhoads. He married Rebecca Boyer, daughter of Michael Boyer. She died 29 August 1805." ------------------------ Troyer, Hilda. "Troyer, Treier, Treyer." Gridley, IL: H. Troyer, 1984. p130. [563] Barbara, d/o Michael Troyer and Magdalena, b. 31 Jan 1757 ("Troyer Family Bible"), d. bef. her father (1807). m.(1) Mr. Rhoads. m.(2) Peter Sipes. p44. Will of Michael Troyer, ... to daughter Barbara a half share and to Abraham Rhoads a half share. [Based on will it appears she is has not yet married Peter Sipes]. ----------------------- Regards, Glen Swartz **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Would someone more knowable than me on the Iowa churches please help me out. I am looking for information on two churches that once were active in Southern District of Iowa. The first one is Adams Co. church it shows up in the Southern Iowa District meeting minutes by 1876 and lasted listed in 1887. For all these year it was not represented or was represented by letter only at the district meetings. I think this may have been a early name for the Mt Etna church, but I have not been about to find any reference to this. The second church was the Pleasant Ridge church which was listed in the Southern Iowa District meeting minutes from 1883 to 1891 and represent by Isaac Barto. Then in 1892 the Pleasant Ridge and Nishna (Nishney) Valley churches were listed together and represent by Isaac Barto. In 1893 a request was made to consolidate Pleasant Ridge and Nishna (Nishney) Valley churches into one church, which shall be called Nishna (Nishney) Valley church. The request was granted. I have church the Brethren Encyclopedia and the book History of the Church of the Brethren in South Iowa. Any help would be appreciated. Dennis Roth Olympia, Wash **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001)

Hi Jane, I am interested in the Eli (Levi) Renner who was out in KS. There is a one-page bio in Craik's Kansas history on Eli Renner. Eli, as you stated in the son of Noah Renner and Fanny Weaver. That would be my cousin Therese Koehler's line. Her email is theresek@prodigy.net. I am hunting for the box of xerox copies and hope to find them by this weekend. Blessings Janet

Janet--The material I shared at the bottom of my letter is the material from Craik, pp 348-349. That is the gist of what is on those pages. The only other info in Craik on Eli Renner is the date he was ordained (Feb 1, 1882) and the date he took charge (oversight) of the church (May 28, 1892 to July 28, 1894) which have already been listed under the ministerial list in the Brethren Encyclopedia as listed already, p 1747. Sorry, but the rest is about the church, not necessarily the ministers in the church. Jane Davis. > From: rogers922@intrstar.net> To: brethren@rootsweb.com> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:09:22 -0400> Subject: Re: [BRE] Renner and the BE> > Hi Jane,> > I am interested in the Eli (Levi) Renner who was out in KS. There is a > one-page bio in Craik's Kansas history on Eli Renner.> > Eli, as you stated in the son of Noah Renner and Fanny Weaver. That would be > my cousin Therese Koehler's line. Her email is theresek@prodigy.net.> > I am hunting for the box of xerox copies and hope to find them by this > weekend.> > Blessings> Janet > > > ------------------------> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN> ------------------------> Support Our Sponsoring Agency> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG)> For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com> ------------------------> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Test your Star IQ http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=redcarpet_HMTAGMAR

Hi Dennis: We visited Mt. Etna Church in Adams Co, Iowa, this past fall. They are still an active church, but very small. We picked up their Centennial booklet 1856-1956. I'd be happy to scan it and send to you. It gives a history of the church and a list of some of the ministers and elders. Their first minister was Christian Harader from West Virginia who arrived in the fall of 1856. Some of the names of the earliest members were the Feeces, Mansfields, Davises, Petersons, Powells, Pricketts, Tourneys and Mortons. In 1857 with the help of Elder Francis Myers of Monroe County they organized as a church with between 25 and 50 members. The first meeting house was built in 1868. The history also says that the church was possibly host to its first district meeting in 1887. District meeting was held there again in 1891, in 1900, 1907. I would imagine that the archives at Elgin must have this, but if not, I would be happy to send this booklet on to them. We enjoyed visiting the church and as I say, they still meet on Sundays. I have a picture of the interior of the church with an attendance board. I think they had 6 people attend the previous Sunday when we visited last fall. The woman who allowed us in the church was extremely pleasant and a kind hostess. One of my Smith lines connects to this church and you were kind enough to send me her obituary. So, I'm happy to return the favor. Hope this helps. Janie Smith " --- ORWAHIST@aol.com wrote: > Would someone more knowable than me on the Iowa > churches please help me out. > I am looking for information on two churches that > once were active in > Southern District of Iowa. > > The first one is Adams Co. church it shows up in > the Southern Iowa District > meeting minutes by 1876 and lasted listed in 1887. > For all these year it > was not represented or was represented by letter > only at the district meetings. > I think this may have been a early name for the Mt > Etna church, but I have > not been about to find any reference to this. > > The second church was the Pleasant Ridge church > which was listed in the > Southern Iowa District meeting minutes from 1883 to > 1891 and represent by Isaac > Barto. Then in 1892 the Pleasant Ridge and Nishna > (Nishney) Valley churches > were listed together and represent by Isaac Barto. > In 1893 a request was made > to consolidate Pleasant Ridge and Nishna (Nishney) > Valley churches into one > church, which shall be called Nishna (Nishney) > Valley church. The request was > granted. > > I have church the Brethren Encyclopedia and the book > History of the Church > of the Brethren in South Iowa. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Dennis Roth > Olympia, Wash > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. > Watch the video on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring > Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists > (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams > mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

Janet--I have tried unsuccessfully to locate the material you have written regarding the Renners as being in the Brethren Encyclopedia (BE). There is very little family history regarding this family in the encyclopedia. Here are the references I have for material printed in the Brethren Encyclopedia, none without references as to where the material was resourced originally. In the list of ministers there are three Renners--Eli (Levi) Renner, a Church of the Brethren minister, b.9-6-1839, d. 2-9-1913. He was elder at the Burr Oak Kansas church in 1882, presiding elder 1892-1894, and at Red Cloud Nebraska 1895. He is referenced in Craik, History of the Brethren in Kansas, 1922, pp 119, 348-349. Francis C. Renner, b 6-14-1840, d. 12-15-1914, also Church of the Brethren, he was elder at New Midway, Maryland according to the Brethren Almanac, 1890, p. 37 and the Gospel Messenger 1915, p 75 (contains his obit). Isaac Renner is not identified as to Brethren affiliation, b. 3-24-1811, d. 6-30-1880. He was elder at Monrovia, MD(?), Monocacy, MD. Taken from a history of the Brethren in Maryland, 1939 publication, pp. 247-248. The above three bios are found on page 1747 in the Brethren Encyclopedia, in the ministerial list. On page 1341, (Brethren Encyclopedia) under the history of the White Rock Church of the Brethren, North Dakota, the Renner family name is listed as being part of the group which settled near Denbigh, McHenry County, North Dakota, church organization July 28, 1900.The third reference to Renners is found on page 995, Brethren Encyclopedia, in which F. C. Renner, New Midway, MD was one of those involved in the business of selling patent medicines. The references given is to the Church of the Brethren Annual Conference Minutes for 1909, p. 1876. Others listed in this article on patent medicines are the History of the House of Fahrney, 1892. James H. Young, Toadstool Millionaires: A Social History of Patent Medicines in America, published 1961, the History of the Colorado Brethren by Blanche Frantz, 1963, pp 1-2. These are the only references on the Renner family that I can locate via Vol 4 index to the first three volumes of the Brethren Encyclopedia, or in searching through Volumes 1,2, 3. I also wrote articles for the Brethren Encyclopedia and all articles were expected to have references citing their sources of material written for the BE. A tremendous amount of original research went into producing the encyclopedia, especially when one considers what was available to use in the 1970's. One article that I did not put into the BE was one in which I could not locate any information for the article on this one church because I only had two names with no counties, no towns, no addresses with which to search the state. Also, churches that did not last more than five years were not included in the writings about the local church. Today, one can find more material via the internet, etc. Many of the books written earlier in our history did not have references so it is unknown from whom or where they got their material. Hopefully, Janet, you will be able to locate where you got your xerox copies of the Renner family bios but they did not appear in the B. E. (to my knowledge). I am interested in the Eli (Levi) Renner who was out in KS. There is a one-page bio in Craik's Kansas history on Eli Renner. Craik used bios sent in by family members at his request. Eli was son of Noah and Fanny Weaver Renner, born near Dayton OH. During his childhood the family moved to Portland, Indiana. He married Diana Cubbison, of Bloomfield, Indiana Jan. 14, 1862. They had four sons, and a foster daughter survive his passing. He was baptized in the Bear Creek church near Bloomfield, Indiana November 1865. Elected to the ministry in that congregation and moved to Kansas 1879, Burr Oak where he remained until his death, except for 6 months in Meriden KS 1896. Death was the result of attack of la grippe and stroke of paralysis. His last act was to sign a check in payment for his share to the support of his pastor. He was kind and considerate of others, continually concerned about the welfare of the church which he loved. Best wishes for your continued research, Jane Davis. > From: rogers922@intrstar.net> To: brethren@rootsweb.com> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 21:46:21 -0400> Subject: [BRE] Renner and the BE> > Dear Merle,> Or really, anyone on the list that may be able to answer the question.> I have xerox copies of the biographies of my RENNER's listed in the > Brethren Encyclopedia (which I cannot lay my hands on at the moment). I also > have a xerox copy of the Roy Bohn "Genealogy of the Renner Family" circl > 1937.> In the introduction of the Bohn work, Roy basically transfered, lifter, > plagerized, borrowed, whatever you would like to call it, excerpts from the > BE Renner biographies.> In these biographies it states, "The Renner family came from sturdy > German ancestry. Their lineage came into prominence when one Francis Renner > was make the King's printer in one of the large kingdom's of Germany in > 1315. This printer, Francis Renner, was one of the best educated men of his > day and had great influence in the royal household. His descendents > continued in the royal service of the kingdom for many generations. Some of > the grandsons of Francis won distinction as crusaders. They had the spirit > of adventure. Some were pioneer Crusaders, while others traveled as > merchants, or went out as valiant knights.> The descendents of Francis Renner became numerous in Germany, and when > the persecutions swept over Germany, William Renner, a dirct descendent of > the old pioneer, Francis Renner, cast his lot with the faithful band of > persecuted souls and came to America with a colony of Palatines. He settled > in Lancaster County, PA and died there."> Now, my question is this. Bohn, as stated before, lifted some material > from the BE. Bohn's work has no footnotes, no reference to where information > was retreived, etc. He does, in his preface, mention there were many family > bibles involved. Is there any reference in the BE as to where some of this > information came from? There are some errors that I can see, one being that > if William Renner lived and died in Lancaster County, PA, why is his > tombstone in Frederick County, MD?> Can anyone give me a bit of a clue as to how the facts in the BE were > gathered, or were they oral histories?> To quote a local colloquillism, "I think I done confused myself."> > Blessings> Janet > > > ------------------------> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN> ------------------------> Support Our Sponsoring Agency> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG)> For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com> ------------------------> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ How well do you know your celebrity gossip? http://originals.msn.com/thebigdebate?ocid=T002MSN03N0707A

I believe a couple of these variations are transcript errors. Fryer appears on a warrant map, and I'm pretty sure was a transcript error. Boyer seems to appear when Droyer disappears and are again likely misreading's of the original records. I think the Orphans court record and will below refer to the same Abraham Rhoads. So, The evidence is now suffcient for me to conclude that Rebecca, wife of Jacob Rhoads, mentioned in the 1790 census, and probate records for Jacob, is identical to Barbara Troyer, d/o Michael Troyer and Magadalena Mast. (see earlier email: Subject: Re: [BRE] Henry Roth/Rhoads-re update. Abraham Date: 3/25/2008 7:09:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time. Text: A quick chronology for Jacob of Henry, Brothers Valley Twp) I have also used a process of elimination, and don't see any other solutions. Based on the records I've reviewed, it appears Jacob Rhoads (ca. 1748-1790), s/o Henry Rhoads (ca. 1712-1774) and Catherina, only had one survivning heir, Abraham, 1777-1866, who married Susanna Wingard. Supporting evidence: "Troyer Family Bible," Barbara, d/o Michael Troyer and Magdalena, b. 31 Jan 1757. 1790 Jun 21, Bedford Co, PA. Letters of Administration issued to Peter Buzzard on estate of Jacob Rhoads. His widow was Rebecca Rhoads. Bonds: Sol Lunn and Felix Mellin. 1790 Bedford Co, PA (M637-9), p251, ln40, Rebecka Roads, 0-1-2. (ln38 Joseph Boyer, ln54 Peter Nemire) 1793 Dec 17, Bedford Co, PA, Orphans Court. Came into court Abraham Road, grandson of Michael Boyer, above the age of 14 years and chose the said Michael Boyers as his guardian. 1803 Sep 18, will, Michael Troyer, to daughter Barbara a half share, and to Abraham Rhoads a half share. Barbara supposedly m.(2) aft. 1803 Peter Sipes. Since Barbara was already 46 years old in 1803, it is unlikely she had any children by Peter Sipe. ----------------------- Gingerich, Hugh F., "Amish and Amish Mennonite Genealogies." 2nd ed, Gordonville, PA: Pequea Pub., 2007. p526, [TY4] Barbara Troyer. m.(1) Henry Jacob Rhoads. m.(2) Peter Sipe. [my comment, I do not believe Barbara and this Peter had any issue] --------------------------- Rhods, Alvin L. "Genealogies of Rhoads-Scott and Related Families," Decorah, IA: Anundsen Pub Co, 1987. p6 [8] "Jacob, son of Henry and Katherine (Rheinhardt) Rhoads. He married Rebecca Boyer, daughter of Michael Boyer. She died 29 August 1805." ------------------------ Troyer, Hilda. "Troyer, Treier, Treyer." Gridley, IL: H. Troyer, 1984. p130. [563] Barbara, d/o Michael Troyer and Magdalena, b. 31 Jan 1757 ("Troyer Family Bible"), d. bef. her father (1807). m.(1) Mr. Rhoads. m.(2) Peter Sipes. p44. Will of Michael Troyer, ... to daughter Barbara a half share and to Abraham Rhoads a half share. [Based on will it appears she is has not yet married Peter Sipes]. ----------------------- Regards, Glen Swartz **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001)

Last week I sent out an inquiry about Stumps in Mifflin County, PA. Upon further investigation, I have found additional information of interest. I found an 1825 deed where William Stumpff and his wife Mary sold property to George Seigler in Decatur Township, Mifflin County, PA. George appears to be a grandson of Mifflin County pioneer George Zeigler, and a history on Mifflin County notes he emigrated from Germany about 1761. His son was also named George Zeigler, and was married to an Elizabeth Bunn. George Jr. died in 1821 at age 60. They had a daughter Sarah who married a John Rothrock. It is noteworthy that the Zeigler name begins with an "S" in Mifflin County records. The deed above the Stumpff/Seigler deed involves a sale of property by John and Sarah Rothrock, and Elizabeth Sigler. The same history notes that the Rothrock family is associated with John Rothrock a pre-revolution immigrant, whose son Joseph Rothrock was a Brethren minister in the area and noted as the first resident bishop (although I don't believe Brethren had bishops). Durnbaugh has references to a Lewis Rothrock who is included in the death listing of Alexander Mack, and there is an Andreas Rothrock baptized in 1748 by Michael Pfautz. I should add that there also was a Zeigler family associated with the early Brethren. George Zeigler, Jr. had a son named Jacob, and a Jacob Sigler was an early minister in the Beaver Creek Church in Ohio. Not sure what all this means, but I thought I would pass it on. Bill Thomas

Jim, Here is some Obit's Dennis Roth Olympia, Wash The Gospel Messenger Jan, 6, 1891 page 14 GARBER. – In the Bear Creek church, Montgomery Co., Ohio, Dec. 6, 1890, Jonathan Garber, aged 76 years, 2 months and 26 days. Deceased was born in Rockingham County, Va., Sept. 10, 1814. He emigrated to Montgomery County, Ohio, in 1835. He married Catharine Rife, who preceded him to the spirit world about seventeen months.. seventeen children were born to them, fifteen are living, with sobers of grandchildren, and a number of great-grandchildren. Funeral services by John Kimmel, W Bucklow, F. Kline and George Miller to a large concourse of people. Jno. Calvin Bright. . The Primitive Christian Jan. 16, 1883 page 48 GARBER. - Sister Sarah, wife of Bro. Jonathan Garber, on Christmas evening, after a short illness of typhoid fever, aged 44 years, 11 months and 18 days. A kind husband and two children mourn her loss, with strong evidence, however, that their loss is her eternal gain. She was a “ministering angel” to the sick and a “lively stone” in the church. The occasion was improved by Bros. G. Garber and J Bowman form 2 Tim. 4, 6, 7. John Calnin Bright. . Gospel Messenger March 18, 1944 page 27 Klepinger, Amelia Ann, only daughter of Jonathan and Sarah Garber, was born near Trotwood, Ohio., Dec. 10, 1860, and died Dec. 13, 1943. On Dec. 10, 1882, she was united in marriage to Jacob Klepinger and they were blessed with four children. In addition to these, several grandchildren and great-grandchildren survive. Immediately after their marriage, she and her husband located on a farm near Georgetown and later in Pitsburg. They united with the church in 1883 and remained faithful member. Her husband died in 1937. Funeral services were conducted at Georgetown church by Brethren Walter Swinger and Lester Heisey. Interment was in the Mote cemetery. – Russell Klepinger, Greenville, Ohio Garber, Uriah W. (m. Lydia Lentz, Jonathan & Sarah) ............................ OH 84 01/30/43 25 Kuns, Rachel A. Garber (John G., Jonathan, Catharine)........................... OH 62 1916 542 Miller, Hettie Garber (Noah R., Jonathan, Catharine)............................... OH 71 1922 222 In a message dated 3/25/2008 12:52:09 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Jmding@aol.com writes: I am seeking information of Jonathan Garber b. 9-10-1814 md. Sarah Rife Looking for their b. & d date plus data on the 17 children & their spouses. Thanks, Jim Denlinger **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom000 30000000001) ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001)

Good answer, Teri. Let's concentrate on the first marriage between Christian Frantz and Mary Garst, with whom you have two lines. Mary Garst lives in one corner of the county and Christian Frantz in another. How and why would they have come into contact? Let's assume something simple like meeting at a large Conestoga Brethren love feast around 1780, a couple of years prior to their marriage. Now you have to address the question of how and why would John Nicholas Garst, born and baptized Reformed (strict father, etc.), have become Brethren after he settled on Little Swatara Creek. Someone had to influence him to get him to rebel from his father and siblings, all who lived in Bethel and were very Reformed. Enter the Frantz family (children of Christian Frantz I). They settled on Little Swatara Creek at the same time (circa 1750) as John Nicholas Garst. They founded the Little Swatara Brethren Society in 1757. Michael Frantz (son of Christian I) lived two farms upstream from John Nicholas Garst. His kid sister Elizabeth was born in 1729 and was two years younger than John Nicholas Garst who was single. Michael Frantz not only founded the Little Swatara Society, he became an elder in 1780. He was the closest Brethren Society neighbor of John Nicholas Garst. He had a kid sister Elizabeth who was about 21 years old when he and John Nicholas Garst (age 23 or 24) became neighbors on Little Swatara Creek. You can take it from there...... I have no proof, but my intuition tells me that John Nicholas Garst married Elizabeth Frantz, first cousin of Michael Frantz II of Cocalico. My intuition tells me that your Mary Garst was a second cousin of your Christian Frantz, and the other four Frantz-Garst marriages were between second cousins. I didn't pull Elizabeth Frantz out of the hat. She has been listed as John Nicholas Garst's wife in several IGI family files, one being the file submitted by Betty Farnsworth, a person whom yourself cite on your Theobald Gerst webpage. Dwayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teri Pettit" <pettit@adobe.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Explaining the Frantz-Garst Marriages >I think this is the most likely explanation for the second through fifth > marriages. > > My sister's second husband was the brother of my brother's second wife, > and > Patti and Allen first met at Jeff and Desi's wedding. Before they started > dating they also occasionally saw each other as in-laws at other events > where both our family and Desi's family attended, such as when we were all > visiting after the birth of Jeff and Desi's first child. > > And there was no church or community connection. Jeff, Desi and Allen > lived > in Farmington, NM, while Patti and the rest of our family lived near Santa > Fe, NM. That's nearly a four hour drive. Desi and Allen are Mormons; our > family was raised Disciples of Christ. > > As far as how the first meeting between Christian Frantz and Mary Garst > came > about, I'm reluctant to speculate. It could be either of the reasons you > hypothesize, or something else altogether. We may never know. > > > > On 3/24/08 7:09 AM, "Dwayne Wrightsman" <dwayne55@comcast.net> wrote: > >> Jan, >> >> Great point. The five marriages were indeed sequential, the first one >> (between Christian Frantz of Cocalico and Mary Garst of Little Swatara) >> was >> in 1782 or 1783, and the second one (between Daniel Frantz and Anna >> Garst) >> on July 25, 1784. The marriages between David Frantz and Elizabeth >> Garst, >> Peter Frantz and Catharine Garst, and Jacob Garst and Christina Frantz, >> came >> later. Do you think that the first marriage had to do with the "love >> feast" >> conjecture or with the possibility that they all may have been second >> cousins? One thing is sure, the families lived in distant corners of the >> Conestoga Congregation territory.

Glen noted this location regarding a Jacob Rhoads property: "the "Buffalo Lick," tract containing 290 acres, situated on the forks of the Chestnut Ridge and Allegany Creek branches of the little Youghiogeni," The Little Youghiogeni is the Casselman River, and Buffalo Creek is a tributary of the Casselman. Buffalo Creek begins just south of Berlin, and enters the Casselman at Garrett, just above Meyersdale. Route 219 parallels much of the creek. This area is in both historic and modern Brothersvalley Township in Somerset County, PA. This area was also heavily strip mined decades ago. Bill Thomas