RE: I have Henry Baer/Bear/Bar/Barin, married Mary Moyer/Meyer, daughter Hannah, b. April 18, 1750 in Redstone, Fayette, PA. Like the Jacob Pfoutz birth location of 1737 Westmoreland County, I also question the location of a 1750 birth at Redstone. The area west of the Allegheny (Blue) Ridge was deemed Indian Territory by the Treaty of Lancaster in 1744. The Ohio Company that would lay claim to this area was not granted this land by the king until July 1749 (didn't take them long to break the treaty!). The first trading post was built at Cumberland Maryland in 1750, and a second trading post at Redstone was not built until 1752. The whites in this area were Indian traders. It wasn't long after that when the French kicked out the English from this area, and the French & Indian War began. The source of this information is the diary of George Washington. Bill Thomas

<< Veronica/Fronica/Freny Graff/Groff - 1750 >> Would this be Fronica Groff who married Peter Eichenberg, father of the Ikenberry / Eikenberry family? Peter's daughter Elizabeth married John Bowman. I don't believe that John fits in the Bowman family that Emmert Bittinger wrote about though. John settled in Franklin Co., VA. ************** Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016)

I was a little quick with the keys. In the second paragraph, the first sentence should read "George Graff was neighbor to Christopher Stump". Also, this property and the Zellers were in adjacent Heidelberg Township. Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of William Thomas Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 5:21 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] Baer/Bear & Graff/Groff Brethren Re: Graff/Baer Brethren I have done some research regarding these families. I know that a Jacob Graff lived in Lebanon Township, and that his daughter married Jacob Thommen, a son of Durst Thommen II. A Jacob Graff and wife were on the Ephrata listing of 1770, and Durst Thommen II and his father and siblings were associated with Ephrata. Jacob died about 1782. 1750 Lebanon Township tax records show Jacob Graff, and he is listed as neighbors to Henry Kline, and George Myer in 1762 land records. 1749 land records for Michael Kline show neighbors Jacob Graff and Christopher Myer. George was a son of Christopher. Ephrata is a short distance to the Lebanon Township area where these people lived. Land records also show Jacob Graff was neighbor to Christian Stump (Brother of Brethren John Stump) and John Zeller and David Zeller. Emmert Bittinger wrote an article on the Brethren Bowman family and notes their connection to Jacob Zeller. He notes that the Bowman family came from the Quitophelia region of Lancaster County, which is Lebanon Township. A Jacob Bowman warranted property that was patented by Martin Light, another neighbor of Jacob Graff. Martin Light was the uncle of Elder Michael Meyer. Daniel Seiler and Henry Eller (both associated with the Beaver Dam Congregation) also lived in the same vicinity if Lebanon Township. I have looked at the Bare/Bar/Bear family, and found no connection to the Brethren names you list. There was a John Bear on the Bethel Township, Lancaster County non-associator list of 1777. Bill Thomas ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have Henry Baer/Bear/Bar/Barin, married Mary Moyer/Meyer, daughter Hannah, b. April 18, 1750 in Redstone, Fayette, PA. Hannah married Christian Kauffman (Stehman) Stemen April 1, 1770, in Redstone, PA. Their son, Henry S. Stemen, b. 1775, Green/Lancaster Co, PA (married Mary Beery in Rockingham Co, VA) and in 1803 went to Fairfield County, Ohio, where he was one of the original settlers. In 1809, Rev. Stemen was called to the ministry of the Mennonite Church. Karen Johnson Bagford ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dwayne Wrightsman" <dwayne55@comcast.net> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 2:49 PM Subject: [BRE] Baer/Bear & Graff/Groff Brethren > The record of baptisms of the Conestoga Brethren include, among many > others, > the following: > > Jacob Baer/Bear - 1742 > Henry Baer/Bear and Wife - 1743 > Anna Baer/Bear - 1747 > Veronica/Fronica/Freny Graff/Groff - 1750 > Hannes/John Graff/Groff - 1754 > Madeline Baer - 1763 > > First question: Does anyone know about one or more of the above > individuals? > > Second question: Were they possibly from the early Swiss Mennonite > Baer/Bear and Graff/Groff families that intermarried and lived in Earl > Township, Lancaster County? > > Third question: In a footnote on p. 161 of his book, Martin Grove > Brumbaugh > says his first ancestor on his mother's side was Hans Graff/Groff who came > to Pennsylvania in 1696 and ultimately settled in Earl Township. Was this > the same person as the Hans Groff who was married to Anna Bear and to > Susanna Orendorff Kendig, who wrote his will 7 Nov 1738 in Earl Township > where he died before 5 May 1746? If so, what is the line from him to > Martin > Grove Brumbaugh? > > Fourth question: My own Grove ancestor was a Jacob Grove who was Brethren > in Wilkes/Ashe, North Carolina, during the late 1700s, and whose children > migrated to Muhlenberg, Kentucky, in 1801. Was this Jacob Grove a > descendant of the Earl Township Graff/Groff/Groves? > Was he the Jacob Grove who was the son of Martin Graff (died before 1760) > of > Earl Township? > > Dwayne Wrightsman > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

> Mary Wintrode b. 4 Jan 1775 Frederick Co., Maryland daughter of Johann Peter > Winterroth and Ann Maria Michael of Frederick Co Maryland. ********* Several years ago I had a request on Johann Peter Winterroth - he came to near Deerfield - now South Lebanon OH - in c1802 (as soon as lands were available in the Virginia Bounty Lands). South Lebanon is on the Little Miami River there. He died a few years later (c1806), and was buried in a cemetery that then lay across the street from now the school (downtown). This cemetery was closed and the stones were moved up on the hill to the east, and are the "Old" section (yes, his stone is there). This was on the Indian Road, going north from the Bullskin landing toward the crossing of the Great Miami River at Franklin - going through Lebanon OH, and some 10 miles north of the Obannon Church. This would have been close to the area where the Deacon John Bowman family had lived -sometime just before 1800. It would have been a few miles beyond where the Philip Jacob Miller lands were, on the Clermont-Warren County line - or likely a part of the Obannon Church membership - I do not know of any other Brethren families living beyond there. They moved on up to near Dayton. Deerfield (S Lebanon) was where my Elijah Newton ancestor came, right after the War of 1812 (from Deerfield CONN - wonder if Elijah gave it its name?) About 1819, Elijah married as second wife, Christena, daughter of Deacon Gabriel Karns, and moved down to south of Edenton (maybe 5 miles east of where Gabriel lived). Newtonsville OH (south of Stonelick -in Clermont County) is a derivative of his family.. Merle C Rummel

Re: Graff/Baer Brethren I have done some research regarding these families. I know that a Jacob Graff lived in Lebanon Township, and that his daughter married Jacob Thommen, a son of Durst Thommen II. A Jacob Graff and wife were on the Ephrata listing of 1770, and Durst Thommen II and his father and siblings were associated with Ephrata. Jacob died about 1782. 1750 Lebanon Township tax records show Jacob Graff, and he is listed as neighbors to Henry Kline, and George Myer in 1762 land records. 1749 land records for Michael Kline show neighbors Jacob Graff and Christopher Myer. George was a son of Christopher. Ephrata is a short distance to the Lebanon Township area where these people lived. Land records also show Jacob Graff was neighbor to Christian Stump (Brother of Brethren John Stump) and John Zeller and David Zeller. Emmert Bittinger wrote an article on the Brethren Bowman family and notes their connection to Jacob Zeller. He notes that the Bowman family came from the Quitophelia region of Lancaster County, which is Lebanon Township. A Jacob Bowman warranted property that was patented by Martin Light, another neighbor of Jacob Graff. Martin Light was the uncle of Elder Michael Meyer. Daniel Seiler and Henry Eller (both associated with the Beaver Dam Congregation) also lived in the same vicinity if Lebanon Township. I have looked at the Bare/Bar/Bear family, and found no connection to the Brethren names you list. There was a John Bear on the Bethel Township, Lancaster County non-associator list of 1777. Bill Thomas

The record of baptisms of the Conestoga Brethren include, among many others, the following: Jacob Baer/Bear - 1742 Henry Baer/Bear and Wife - 1743 Anna Baer/Bear - 1747 Veronica/Fronica/Freny Graff/Groff - 1750 Hannes/John Graff/Groff - 1754 Madeline Baer - 1763 First question: Does anyone know about one or more of the above individuals? Second question: Were they possibly from the early Swiss Mennonite Baer/Bear and Graff/Groff families that intermarried and lived in Earl Township, Lancaster County? Third question: In a footnote on p. 161 of his book, Martin Grove Brumbaugh says his first ancestor on his mother's side was Hans Graff/Groff who came to Pennsylvania in 1696 and ultimately settled in Earl Township. Was this the same person as the Hans Groff who was married to Anna Bear and to Susanna Orendorff Kendig, who wrote his will 7 Nov 1738 in Earl Township where he died before 5 May 1746? If so, what is the line from him to Martin Grove Brumbaugh? Fourth question: My own Grove ancestor was a Jacob Grove who was Brethren in Wilkes/Ashe, North Carolina, during the late 1700s, and whose children migrated to Muhlenberg, Kentucky, in 1801. Was this Jacob Grove a descendant of the Earl Township Graff/Groff/Groves? Was he the Jacob Grove who was the son of Martin Graff (died before 1760) of Earl Township? Dwayne Wrightsman

RE: 1. JACOB1 PFOUTZ was born ca. 1737 in Westmoreland Co., Pa. He married MARY BACH. I find it highly unlikely that Jacob Pfoutz was born in Westmoreland County, PA in 1737. This part of Pennsylvania was wilderness and Indian Territory at that time. Bill Thomas

Wayne, I believe that the David Hoover you are referring too is: David E Hoover b. Mirey Spring, Md died 1 Jul 1841 on Stillwater, Montgomery Co.,Oh married 1790 Mary Mast married 9 Jul 1807 Elizabeth Curtis Parents were: Andrew Hoover and Anna Margaretha Pfautz >From my notes section: T. and O. Hoover, saw-mill; P. O. West Milton. Of the business men of Newton Township, none are more deserving of notice than the gentlemen whose names head this sketch; they are descended from pioneers of Ohio their paternal grandparents were among the first to leave the beautiful "land of summer" for the primeval forests of the Northwest Territory; in the fall of 1801, David E. Hoover left North Carolina for the purpose of making Ohio his future home; he located in the extreme northern part of the present limits of Montgomery Co., in this place he passed the remainder of his days, serving one year as a member of the Ohio Legislature from Montgomery Co., and fifteen years as Justice of the Peace of Randolph Township from this it will be inferred that his life was a success and full of usefulness; he reared a family of fourteen children, of whom the father of our subject was next to the youngest; he was born in Montgomery Co., and his life has been given to the milling business on the Stillwater, in his native county; his wife was a Canadian by birth, and emigrated to Montgomery Co. when only 10 years old, with her parents; six children were born to Mr. and Mrs. Hoover all of whom are living. T. Hoover was born in 1844, and O. Hoover in 1846; about seven years ago, they purchased the saw-mill which they are now operating; it is located in the southern part of Newton Township, Miami County, and is supplied with ample water-power the year round besides lumber, they manufacture all kinds of turned chair stock. Oscar Hoover was united in marriage with Miss Elizabeth Bartmass, April 19, 1873; they have one child. Thanks, Dave Sloan **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016)

On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Wayne Webb <SpiWebb@aol.com> wrote: > Ron, > > In closing I will add one of other little tidbit. Isaac Bear / Bare, a > Mennonite, was likely related to Elder Henry Wintrode Bare of the Twin > church in Preble county, Ohio. In his early years Henry W. Bear lived > within four miles or so of the Old German church. That Isaac Bear was > possibly associated with the German Baptist church I offer the obituary of > his son, David Bear, from the Gospel Messenger of 1892. Check your back > issues of "Brethren Roots" for a listing of the burials in the Old German > Church cemetery. I do not recall which issue it was published in. > > "BEAR.-In the bounds of the Lower Twin Church, Montgomery Co., Ohio, > Feb. 20, 1892, David Bear, aged 75 years, 10 months, 4 days. Bro. Bear was > born in Montgomery County, Ohio, April 16, 1816, and was united in > marriage > with Elizabeth Mullendore, Aug. 16, 1837. This union was blessed with > thirteen children. Services by the Brethren from 1 Cor. 15:35. > Daniel M. Garver. http://family.gradeless.com/bare.htm Various documents on the Bare (Wintrode) family and descendants are posted there. *Jacob Mary Bare. Jacob Bare* dead before April 1826 Preble Co Ohio Jacob Bare appears in the 1820 Ohio Census in Twin Township, Preble Co. Ohio. Born c 1775/1785 Pennsylvania/Md died: 6 Sep 1826 (?) Preble Co., Ohio Buried Dunkers Cem, Preble Co., Ohio. Married: 25 Mar 1803 Washington Co., PA to Mary Wintrode b. 4 Jan 1775 Frederick Co., Maryland daughter of Johann Peter Winterroth and Ann Maria Michael of Frederick Co Maryland. *Jacob Bare* had a government patent on land in Preble Co Ohio Mention of patent of E-1/2 SE-1/4 S-22 T-6 R-3 issued to *Jacob Bare*. Various land record refers to the following as heirs of *Jacob Bare.* *Henry W. Bare* m Polly --- Born: 25 Aug 1803 Lebanon, Warren, Oh Died: 25 Aug 1885 Place: At His Home Twin Townships, Preble, Oh Buried: 28 Aug 1885 Sugar Hill Cem, Lanier Twps, Ohio Married: 21 Dec 1826, Preble, Ohio to Mary Ann Foreman (Foorman) Born: 17 Mar 1811 Staunton, Augusta Co. Va Died: 18 Jun 1902 Preble Co, Oh Buried: Jun 1902 Sugar Hill Cem, Preble, Ohio dau of Jacob Foreman and Elizabeth Rebecca Paulus [A Henry Bare Purchased land in Miami Co IN 6/2/1848] [A Henry Bare purchased land in Jefferson Co 8/1/1838] [A Henry Bare purchased land in Jefferson Co 7/16/1832] [A Henry Bare purchased land in Blackford Co 1/1/1850] *John H. Bare* b 14 Oct 1807 died 6 April 1891 married (1) Anna Ware b c 1811 married (2) Elizabeth Gulick b c 1811 [A John Bare purchased land in Miami Co IN 4/10/1849] *Magaret 'Peggy' Bare* b 1808/09 (aged 17 in 1826) m Nov 27 1841 to *David Ware* *Nancy Bare* b 1809/10 (age 16 in 1826) m Mar 5 1837 *Jeremiah Simpson* *Elizabeth A. R. Bare* *Peter Bare* b c 1813. [A Peter Bare purchased land 5/1/1849 in Huntington Co IN] *Isaac Bare* b 17-Sep-1818 Preble Co Ohio died 15-Feb-1881 in Polk Twp Huntington Co Indiana. m1 Oct 20 1843 *Elizabeth Robertson* 9 children m2 Oct 1, 1859 *Lydia Marthena Thrift* 12 children [Purchased Land patent on 4/1/1849 in Huntington Co IN] *Jacob M. Bare* b. c 1820 *Samuel T. Bare* b c 1823 *David Bare* b 1826 m Elizabeth --- [Purchased Land patent on 4/1/1849 in Huntington Co IN] http://family.gradeless.com/bare.htm -- _________________________ Dr. Donald E. Gradeless 1402 East 225 South Winona Lake, IN 46590-2041 AC 574-267-6020 DrG@execpc.com http://gradeless.com _________________________

Dave, we need to pow-wow on this one. I have an ancillary entry for the David E. Hoover/Mary Mast and am unable to sort it out this morning. My comments earlier have been taken from the book titled "Memoir of David Hoover." This is available online at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~inwayne/references.htm Quoting directly from the book: Part I, written in 1854 by (himself) I was born on a small water-course, called Huwaree, a branch of the Yadkin river, in Randolph County, North Carolina, on the 14th day of April, 1781... (Punctuation and spelling are as itis.) If my information is correct, my grandfather, Andrew Hoover, left Germany when a boy; married Margaret Fouts, in Pnnsylvania; and settled on Pipe creek in Maryland. There my father was born; and from thence, now about one hundred years ago, he removed to North Carolina, then a new country. Rudolph Waymire, my grandfather on my mother's side, emigrated from Hanover Germany after he had several children. My father had a family of ten children, four sons and six daughters. On the 19th of september, 1802, we loaded our wagon, and wended our way toward that portion of what was then called the Northwest Territory which constitutes the present state of Ohio. After crossing the river, we pushed on to Stillwater, about twelve miles north of Dayton, in what is now the county of Montgomery My father then purchased two hundred acres of land, not far from Lebanon, Indiana Warren County, as a home. Thus time passed on until the spring of 1806... it was not until the last of may or the first of June that the first entries were made. John Smith then entered south of Main street, where Richmond now stands... (References to Society of Friends, and meeting minutes) I therefore married a girl named Catharine Yount, near the Great Miami; on the last day of March 1807. AND the book goes on to discuss his being a judge. Montgomery County, Ohio is in reality quite close to Wayne and Fayette Counties in Indiana. It appears that THIS david moved there in 1806. Now that I think about it, I have looked at this before and was confused. I still am. Perhaps I have missed something this morning, as I am busy with a project with a wife that wants it done--but the trail the book develops appears logical; even tough there could be a conflict with the Hoover/Mast marriage. Last summer, did you and I discuss this? I think we may have. If you have interest, contact me off line and we can continue this and finish other things we were doing a while ago. I am heading to Indiana next month for research, and perhaps can resolve this and any other issues outstanding. Come on to SLC and let's figure it out. I am interested in further commentary on this from anyone interested. Ron Snowden Orem, Utah On Apr 9, 2008, at 11:29 AM, DESloan@aol.com wrote: > Wayne, > I believe that the David Hoover you are referring too is: > > David E Hoover b. Mirey Spring, Md > died 1 Jul 1841 on Stillwater, Montgomery Co.,Oh > > married 1790 Mary Mast > married 9 Jul 1807 Elizabeth Curtis > > Parents were: > Andrew Hoover and Anna Margaretha Pfautz > >> From my notes section: > T. and O. Hoover, saw-mill; P. O. West Milton. Of the business men > of Newton > Township, none are more deserving of notice than the gentlemen > whose names > head this sketch; they are descended from pioneers of Ohio their > paternal > grandparents were among the first to leave the beautiful "land of > summer" for the > primeval forests of the Northwest Territory; in the fall of 1801, > David E. > Hoover left North Carolina for the purpose of making Ohio his future > home; he > located in the extreme northern part of the present limits of > Montgomery Co., > in this place he passed the remainder of his days, serving one year > as a > member of the Ohio Legislature from Montgomery Co., and fifteen > years as Justice > of the Peace of Randolph Township from this it will be inferred > that his life > was a success and full of usefulness; he reared a family of fourteen > children, of whom the father of our subject was next to the > youngest; he was born in > Montgomery Co., and his life has been given to the milling business > on the > Stillwater, in his native county; his wife was a Canadian by birth, > and > emigrated to Montgomery Co. when only 10 years old, with her > parents; six children > were born to Mr. and Mrs. Hoover all of whom are living. T. Hoover > was born > in 1844, and O. Hoover in 1846; about seven years ago, they > purchased the > saw-mill which they are now operating; it is located in the > southern part of > Newton Township, Miami County, and is supplied with ample water- > power the year > round besides lumber, they manufacture all kinds of turned chair > stock. Oscar > Hoover was united in marriage with Miss Elizabeth Bartmass, April > 19, 1873; > they have one child. > > Thanks, > Dave Sloan > > > > **************Planning your summer road trip? 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Ron, That is the one I was talking about and thank you. While living in Montgomery county, Ohio the David Hoover that you mentioned was a justice of the peace. Though not mentioned as such in county records, at least to my knowledge, I have found him serving in that capacity in estate records for western German township. And this would have been where the Fouts family was living. I at first thought this David Hoover was a son of Martin Hoover of Morrison's Cove, Pennsylvania and later of Montgomery county, Ohio, but later ascertained that he was not. That being said I would not be too surprised if Andrew and Martin Hoover were not somehow related. Since the biography you mention states that the Hoover family was of a Quaker background, the English side of Anabaptists (if I am not incorrect in making that statement) I would suspect that this family was associated with the Waymire family of North Carolina who also settled in the Miami Valley of Ohio. There was a mass migration of Anabpaitst opposed to slavery who moved into the Miami Valley early in the 1800s. Generally speaking when these families moved into Ohio they became, at least some of them did, associated with the German Baptist church. And some of them were quite prominent. So getting back to the Old German Church of western German township, Montgomery county, Ohio I have the following to offer. I have photographs of the church taken in the 1910s before the church fell down. While discussing these photographs this morning with a fellow list member we observed something interesting. When comparing this building's structural makeup we both agreed that it was likely not a Brethren church. How did we arrive at this conclusion? Because it is a two story building. I have scans of many early Brethren churches and not one of them is a two story; they are all single story. However, the building was not German Protestant. We based this observation on the interior of the building. I have one or two such photographs and the pulpit is on a raised dais with a balcony in the upper reaches of the church. We believe that this was not common in the Protestant churches until much later. But this does somewhat match late 1700s and early 1800s architecture of a Quaker or "Englisher" church. There were no people of English extraction within ten miles of this church so that it may have been English is very doubtful. And this building, supposedly built in 1825, was the only structure the Old German ever had. The two men who donated the land, difficult to document but well known in my family, were Jacob Wolfe of Berks county, Pennsylvania and Frederick county, Maryland (Wolfesville) and Isaac Bear of Lancaster county, Pennsylvania. The first was baptized German Protestant with the second coming from a long line of proven Mennonites. Then we plug in the Baptist preacher Peter Poyner from North Carolina and Daniel Troyer (Mennonite?) from Maryland and the answer as to the religious beliefs of the congregation is still left to the imagination. I did ask myself if Daniel Troyer may have been United Brethren and the possibility is definitely not out of the realm of possibilities. In closing I will add one of other little tidbit. Isaac Bear / Bare, a Mennonite, was likely related to Elder Henry Wintrode Bare of the Twin church in Preble county, Ohio. In his early years Henry W. Bear lived within four miles or so of the Old German church. That Isaac Bear was possibly associated with the German Baptist church I offer the obituary of his son, David Bear, from the Gospel Messenger of 1892. Check your back issues of "Brethren Roots" for a listing of the burials in the Old German Church cemetery. I do not recall which issue it was published in. "BEAR.-In the bounds of the Lower Twin Church, Montgomery Co., Ohio, Feb. 20, 1892, David Bear, aged 75 years, 10 months, 4 days. Bro. Bear was born in Montgomery County, Ohio, April 16, 1816, and was united in marriage with Elizabeth Mullendore, Aug. 16, 1837. This union was blessed with thirteen children. Services by the Brethren from 1 Cor. 15:35. Daniel M. Garver." Wayne Webb > > I have a copy of a publication, obtained online, titled "Memoir of > David Hoover, A Pioneer of Indiana" that may shed some light on this. > It was revised by Isaac H. Julian, a relative of David Hoover. It was > published in Richmond, Indiana by James Elder, Publisher in 1857. > > Reading from part I, it says "...If my information is correct, my > grandfather, Andrew Hoover [aka Andreas Huber], left Germany when a > boy; married Margaret Founts, in Pennsylvania; and settled on Pipe > Creek in Maryland. There my father was born; and from thence, now > about one hundred years ago, he removed to North Carolina, then a new > country. He left eight sons and five daughters, all of whom had large > families...." > > David Hoover became an associate judge of the Wayne County, Indiana > Circuit Court. Of interest, he presided over the trial of his > father(Andrew Hoover--aka Andrew of Richmond) and William Bulla-- > accused of assisting a slave running from his master. They were found > innocent of criminal charges, but later paid $1,000 each in a civil > trial. > > His father, Andrew Hoover, was to the best of my knowledge a Quaker. > David Hoover's religion was summed up by "I am afirm believer in the > Christian Religion, though ot as lived up to by most of its professors > of the present day..." the book further states, however, that "...at > an early day in this country, Anti-Slavaery and Peace Societies were > formed, of which Judge hoover, Elder David Purviance, and other > prominent citizens of various parts of the county, were leading > members." > > I hope this helps, and is of interest. The story of Andrew Hoover/ > William Bulla is on line, and can be found at several locations with a > Google search. It is quite informative and interesting.

Wayne, thank you for the informational response. I do have history that David Hoover did live in Ohio and that he was a JP. Montgomery County, Ohio was a place well populated with my ancestors, many of whom were Quaker, and were buried in the Polk Grove Cemetery. Those whose religion have been identified were Waymire, Yount, Sinks and a few others. David Hoover's parents were Andrew Hoover (Andrew of Richmond) and Elizabeth Waymire. This Andrew was a leader in the underground railroad of Indiana. Most of the Hoover's are buried in the Hoover Cemetery in Richmond. Dave Sloan has a complete cemetery listing, which he provided to me, and he has photographs I believe--but I don't think it can be found anywhere on the web, by any author. I would love to have his "stuff" and publish it on the web. Andrew's father was also Andrew Hoover, but probably more known as Andreas Huber--one of the "three brothers." He married Anna Margaretta (possibly Catharine) Pfautz who was born about 1723 in Zweibruecken, Palatinate. Andreas, of course, was from Ellerstadt. His father was Gregor Jonas Huber, born in 1668 in Oberkulm, Lenzburg, Canton Zurich, Switzerland. He was a vinter; but his ancestors also were weavers, and several were the "sherrif" of Oberkulm. Two of these ancestors were killed for failing to attend the (presumaby) Lutheran Church. One by beheading and the other by burning at the stake. Now that's living one's religion! I have been working with Merle a bit, discussing with him the New Bethel Primitive Baptist Church, near Connersville, Indiana--which is Fayette County--about 12 miles from where Merle lives. I am convinced this church was originally a "Dunker" Church (used generically--I have somewhere that reference). Directly behind it is the Union Cemetery, in which Merle found names familiar to him. Merle is investigating this to see if it possibly is something of historical interest to this group; and (I think) could be the remnant of a church thought to be located elsewhere (that is currently being used as a chicken coop--as the story goes). Down the street 1/4 mile was my 3rd great grandfather's farm, which he purchased from his father-in-law, Thomas Patton--a Lutheran. Daniel Hoover died in Fayette County, and may have been a Mennonite that associated with the "Dunker" church after moving to Fayette County. His daughter Catharine married Andrew Reiley (Riley) and may have associated with the Brethren Church in Cass County, Iindiana--as did several of their children. There they married into the Roderick's, Ulrich's and Stackhouse families--and tie by marriage to the Hahns. (Primarily German, not Irish as the family has always believed) Merle has a relative from Fayette County named Riley. So far, no connection. It is possible that Reiley was an Anglization of Ryland, changed from Reylandt in Pennsylvania by the infamous Reuben Riley-- father of James Whitcomb Riley. But, I can't prove a connection to anyone, nor specifically which Church they associated with. Does any of this ring a bell? Thanks again for your information. Ron

A Samuel Pfoutz moved to Madison Twp., Montgomery Co., OH , just a bit further north than Germantown. Richard Weber included some of the family in his "Stoner Brethren" book. The rest of this info comes from censuses. Note that he was b. Buffalo Valley, PA, but his children were born variously in Frederick Co.and Carroll Co., MD. Roger Rhoads ---------------------------- Descendants of Jacob Pfoutz Generation No. 1 1. JACOB1 PFOUTZ was born ca. 1737 in Westmoreland Co., Pa. He married MARY BACH. Child of JACOB PFOUTZ and MARY BACH is: 2. i. SAMUEL2 PFOUTZ, b. 09 May 1776, Buffalo Valley, PA; d. 27 Jul 1843, Madison Twp., Montgomery Co., OH. Generation No. 2 2. SAMUEL2 PFOUTZ (JACOB1) was born 09 May 1776 in Buffalo Valley, PA, and died 27 Jul 1843 in Madison Twp., Montgomery Co., OH. He married REBECCA RINEHART. She was born 06 Sep 1786 in PA, and died 22 Aug 1873. Both are buried in Landis Cemetery, Perry Twp., Montgomery Co., OH. He was a COB minister, and they lived in Madison Twp., Montgomery Co., OH. Children of SAMUEL PFOUTZ and REBECCA RINEHART are: i. ESTER3 PFOUTZ, b. 10 Dec 1809, Frederick Co., MD; d. 25 Jun 1891, Crawford Co., IL; m. DANIEL STONER, 03 Mar 1833, Montgomery Co., OH; b. 01 Jan 1810, Frederick Co., MD; d. 20 Aug 1898, Crawford Co., IL. They are buried in Oak Grove Cemetery, Palestine, IL. ii. LYDIA PFOUTZ, b. 19 Oct 1817, Carroll Co., MD; d. 30 Aug 1867, Montgomery Co., OH; m. GEORGE ZUMBRUN, 31 Aug 1837, Montgomery Co., OH; b. 03 Nov 1808, Taneytown, MD; d. 23 Jul 1899, Montgomery Co., OH. They are buried in Landis Cemetery, Perry Twp., Montgomery Co., OH, and lived in Madison Twp., Montgomery Co., OH. The Zumbrun family came to Montgomery Co., OH in 1818 from Thurmont, Frederick Co., MD. iii. SUSANNA PFOUTZ, d. 24 Dec 1834; m. GEORGE ZUMBRUN, 16 Dec 1832; b. 03 Nov 1808, Taneytown, MD; d. 23 Jul 1899, Montgomery Co., OH. He is buried in Landis Cemetery, Perry Twp., Montgomery Co., OH. iv. SAMUEL PFOUTZ, b. Bet. 1824 - 1825, MD; m. SARAH UNKNOWN; b. ca. 1827, OH. Lived in Madison Twp., Montgomery Co., OH In a message dated 4/9/2008 12:04:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, brethren-request@rootsweb.com writes: Message: 1 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 10:37:47 -0400 From: "Wayne Webb" <SpiWebb@aol.com> Subject: Re: [BRE] Elder Michael Fouts To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <002801c89986$1e202670$0160fea9@main> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Morning Friend Merle, While I cannot help you directly in regards to the Fouts family I may be able to point you in the right direction. I must admit thought that it will not take you back any further than you are. However, there may be clues you were not aware of. And hopefully Friend Gale will chime in on this. We are aware that out in western German township, Montgomery county, Ohio there was a church. This church is generally known as the Old German Church. That it was of German extraction is not in doubt. But what religion it was is not documented. At least not to my satisfaction. There is an early 20th Century newspaper article printed in an Eaton, Ohio, newspaper stating that it was a Lutheran church. However, research indicates that it was most likely not. So what religion was this church? I have indications that it was likely Pietist in some form or other. I can identify two of the early ministers and one of the justices of the peace. The two ministers were Peter Poyner and Daniel Troyer (Tryer) In 1850 Peter Poyner is listed in the Preble county, Ohio, census as a Baptist preacher from North Carolina. Daniel Tryer is listed as a carpenter living in Germantown, Montgomery county. Conversations with a person; whom I trust in his judgement, indicates that Daniel Troyer was of the Mennonite faith and from Maryland. Daniel apparently spent some time in Virginia as his wife was from that locale. I have not been able to locate any good documentation on either Peter or Daniel. I have enough information to indicate that they were likely of an Anabaptist background. Of the several families out in western German township one of them a family of Pfautz and Fouts. They are from North Carolina and appear to have Anabaptist heritage. Gale Honeyman and I in several conversations over the years have discussed these families as a point of interest. I believe one or two of them intermarry into his families. So you may want to take a look in western German township. Yes, you will not find an answer to your question but you may be able to add to your knowledge about the family. In closing I wish to point out that I believe it is a son or grandson of Andrew Hoover who was a justice of the peace in that region before moving over in to Indiana. His name escapes me at them moment but I believe it was either David or Daniel. He moved over, again if my memory is correct, into Indiana where he was once again a JP. Wayne Webb Editor: Brethren Roots **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016)

I have just been looking through an old family Bible and found references to the church where my family (CRIPES, GARVERs) attended. It was the Milk River Church. Does anyone have any information on this church and know if there were any records kept? I know they lived in Towner County, North Dakota, Montana and Washington State. Any information would be very helpful. Thank you! Stephanie Wilson ???????????????? ------------------------ ??????????????????????? Support Our Sponsoring Agency ??????????? The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com ?????????????????????????????? ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Looks like it may be Montana. >From Internet Search Milk River Church in Hill County, Montana, USA. Latitude: 48.67861 : Longitude: -110.225 http://www.cob-net.org/fobg/cemetery.htm MONTANA v.2,p. 832 Milk River Valley, (1913-) Steve Stover ----- Original Message ----- From: sannmarie@aol.com To: brethren@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Milk River Brethren Church Montana? I have just been looking through an old family Bible and found references to the church where my family (CRIPES, GARVERs) attended. It was the Milk River Church. Does anyone have any information on this church and know if there were any records kept? I know they lived in Towner County, North Dakota, Montana and Washington State. Any information would be very helpful. Thank you! Stephanie Wilson ???????????????? ------------------------ ??????????????????????? Support Our Sponsoring Agency ??????????? The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com ?????????????????????????????? ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Re: Minister Daniel Troyer: Not sure if this is of any value, but perusing the Mennonite obits from the 1870's, there was a Joseph Troyer from Wayne County (wrong side of the state from Montgomery) that was listed as a member of the River Brethren. All the other early Troyer obits were Amish, although most lived in Ohio or Indiana. A number of descendents of Michael Troyer immigrated to Holmes County, Ohio in the early 1800's, and I believe they were all Amish. Wayne County is next to Holmes, so Joseph is likely tied to this Troyer family (probably why he made the obit), but it does show Troyer's who had a Brethren affiliation. I would question if Daniel was Mennonite in the 1850's (especially if he was tied to this Troyer family), since the Amish divisions that caused many to become Mennonite occurred after this. However, Amish becoming Brethren was a common even before the American Revolution. Bill Thomas

I think I have a possible addition to the children of Michael PFOUTZ and Barbara CRUMBACKER. I made a visit to the Beaver Dam cemetery near Union Bridge Maryland a few years ago, and took pictures of tombstones of family names with early Beaver Dam connections. I took a photo of the tombstone of John Pfoutz, born April 15, 1769 and died Sept. 14, 1855. The dates and the same spelling of his last name, imply he was a son of Michael. Bill Thomas

I have a copy of a publication, obtained online, titled "Memoir of David Hoover, A Pioneer of Indiana" that may shed some light on this. It was revised by Isaac H. Julian, a relative of David Hoover. It was published in Richmond, Indiana by James Elder, Publisher in 1857. Reading from part I, it says "...If my information is correct, my grandfather, Andrew Hoover [aka Andreas Huber], left Germany when a boy; married Margaret Founts, in Pennsylvania; and settled on Pipe Creek in Maryland. There my father was born; and from thence, now about one hundred years ago, he removed to North Carolina, then a new country. He left eight sons and five daughters, all of whom had large families...." David Hoover became an associate judge of the Wayne County, Indiana Circuit Court. Of interest, he presided over the trial of his father(Andrew Hoover--aka Andrew of Richmond) and William Bulla-- accused of assisting a slave running from his master. They were found innocent of criminal charges, but later paid $1,000 each in a civil trial. His father, Andrew Hoover, was to the best of my knowledge a Quaker. David Hoover's religion was summed up by "I am afirm believer in the Christian Religion, though ot as lived up to by most of its professors of the present day..." the book further states, however, that "...at an early day in this country, Anti-Slavaery and Peace Societies were formed, of which Judge hoover, Elder David Purviance, and other prominent citizens of various parts of the county, were leading members." I hope this helps, and is of interest. The story of Andrew Hoover/ William Bulla is on line, and can be found at several locations with a Google search. It is quite informative and interesting. Ron On Apr 8, 2008, at 8:37 AM, Wayne Webb wrote: > Morning Friend Merle, > > While I cannot help you directly in regards to the Fouts family I > may be > able to point you in the right direction. I must admit thought that > it will > not take you back any further than you are. However, there may be > clues you > were not aware of. And hopefully Friend Gale will chime in on this. > > We are aware that out in western German township, Montgomery > county, > Ohio there was a church. This church is generally known as the Old > German > Church. That it was of German extraction is not in doubt. But what > religion it was is not documented. At least not to my > satisfaction. There > is an early 20th Century newspaper article printed in an Eaton, Ohio, > newspaper stating that it was a Lutheran church. > > However, research indicates that it was most likely not. So what > religion was this church? I have indications that it was likely > Pietist in > some form or other. I can identify two of the early ministers and > one of > the justices of the peace. The two ministers were Peter Poyner and > Daniel > Troyer (Tryer) In 1850 Peter Poyner is listed in the Preble county, > Ohio, > census as a Baptist preacher from North Carolina. Daniel Tryer is > listed as > a carpenter living in Germantown, Montgomery county. > > Conversations with a person; whom I trust in his judgement, > indicates > that Daniel Troyer was of the Mennonite faith and from Maryland. > Daniel > apparently spent some time in Virginia as his wife was from that > locale. I > have not been able to locate any good documentation on either Peter or > Daniel. I have enough information to indicate that they were likely > of an > Anabaptist background. > > Of the several families out in western German township one of > them a > family of Pfautz and Fouts. They are from North Carolina and appear > to have > Anabaptist heritage. Gale Honeyman and I in several conversations > over the > years have discussed these families as a point of interest. I > believe one > or two of them intermarry into his families. > > So you may want to take a look in western German township. Yes, > you > will not find an answer to your question but you may be able to add > to your > knowledge about the family. In closing I wish to point out that I > believe > it is a son or grandson of Andrew Hoover who was a justice of the > peace in > that region before moving over in to Indiana. His name escapes me > at them > moment but I believe it was either David or Daniel. He moved over, > again if > my memory is correct, into Indiana where he was once again a JP. > > Wayne Webb > Editor: Brethren Roots > >> Don Bowman - or anyone >> >> I am working on my Kentucky Churches - and need some family >> informations. I have received considerable information on the >> several >> generations of the Pfautz/Fouts family, but it does not include >> much on >> Elder Michael Pfautz and Barbara Crumpack - of the Pipe Creek >> Church MD >> >> I would like to have family sheet informations on the Elder Michael >> Pfautz - and on his children >> (info received from Roland Brown -saying that there were 5 children >> -indicating information was from Don Bowman) >> >> I have that Barbara Fouts, daughter of Elder Michael, married in >> 1753 to >> Jacob Stutzman - at Uhwarrie in North Carolina - this cannot be >> true - >> since Michael Pfautz and Barbara Crumpacker were married about that >> same >> time. - I suspect that this Barbara might have been a sister of Elder >> Michael. But information on his father, Johann Michael Pfautz, >> does not >> include a daughter, Barbara. His grandfather, Michael Pfautz, does >> have >> a daughter, Barbara - so the name is in the family. That Michael >> (wife: >> Ursula Muhlenhauser) had sons: Jacob and John. I do not have >> information on them - it could be possible that the Barbara Fouts who >> married Jacob Stutzman was daughter to one of them. >> >> Roger Sappington, in Brethren in the Carolinas, on the Uhwarry/Ewarry >> Congregation, says that September 1, 1764, Jacob Stutzman purchased >> 230 >> Acres. That in the same general area were David Fouts, Jacob Fouts, >> John Fouts, Michael Fouts, and Andrew Hoover. My Fouts information >> indicates that Andrew/Andreas Hoover had married Catherine Pfautz, >> daughter of Johann Michael Pfautz/Catherine Slough - or a sister of >> Elder Michael Pfautz (but as I said above - there is no Barbara >> named as >> a sister of this Catherine). Nor does this family include a David >> Fouts, and its Jacob and John Fouts died in Pennsylvania >> (Westmoreland >> Co and Lancaster Co) >> >> Merle C Rummel > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams > mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Morning Friend Merle, While I cannot help you directly in regards to the Fouts family I may be able to point you in the right direction. I must admit thought that it will not take you back any further than you are. However, there may be clues you were not aware of. And hopefully Friend Gale will chime in on this. We are aware that out in western German township, Montgomery county, Ohio there was a church. This church is generally known as the Old German Church. That it was of German extraction is not in doubt. But what religion it was is not documented. At least not to my satisfaction. There is an early 20th Century newspaper article printed in an Eaton, Ohio, newspaper stating that it was a Lutheran church. However, research indicates that it was most likely not. So what religion was this church? I have indications that it was likely Pietist in some form or other. I can identify two of the early ministers and one of the justices of the peace. The two ministers were Peter Poyner and Daniel Troyer (Tryer) In 1850 Peter Poyner is listed in the Preble county, Ohio, census as a Baptist preacher from North Carolina. Daniel Tryer is listed as a carpenter living in Germantown, Montgomery county. Conversations with a person; whom I trust in his judgement, indicates that Daniel Troyer was of the Mennonite faith and from Maryland. Daniel apparently spent some time in Virginia as his wife was from that locale. I have not been able to locate any good documentation on either Peter or Daniel. I have enough information to indicate that they were likely of an Anabaptist background. Of the several families out in western German township one of them a family of Pfautz and Fouts. They are from North Carolina and appear to have Anabaptist heritage. Gale Honeyman and I in several conversations over the years have discussed these families as a point of interest. I believe one or two of them intermarry into his families. So you may want to take a look in western German township. Yes, you will not find an answer to your question but you may be able to add to your knowledge about the family. In closing I wish to point out that I believe it is a son or grandson of Andrew Hoover who was a justice of the peace in that region before moving over in to Indiana. His name escapes me at them moment but I believe it was either David or Daniel. He moved over, again if my memory is correct, into Indiana where he was once again a JP. Wayne Webb Editor: Brethren Roots > Don Bowman - or anyone > > I am working on my Kentucky Churches - and need some family > informations. I have received considerable information on the several > generations of the Pfautz/Fouts family, but it does not include much on > Elder Michael Pfautz and Barbara Crumpack - of the Pipe Creek Church MD > > I would like to have family sheet informations on the Elder Michael > Pfautz - and on his children > (info received from Roland Brown -saying that there were 5 children > -indicating information was from Don Bowman) > > I have that Barbara Fouts, daughter of Elder Michael, married in 1753 to > Jacob Stutzman - at Uhwarrie in North Carolina - this cannot be true - > since Michael Pfautz and Barbara Crumpacker were married about that same > time. - I suspect that this Barbara might have been a sister of Elder > Michael. But information on his father, Johann Michael Pfautz, does not > include a daughter, Barbara. His grandfather, Michael Pfautz, does have > a daughter, Barbara - so the name is in the family. That Michael (wife: > Ursula Muhlenhauser) had sons: Jacob and John. I do not have > information on them - it could be possible that the Barbara Fouts who > married Jacob Stutzman was daughter to one of them. > > Roger Sappington, in Brethren in the Carolinas, on the Uhwarry/Ewarry > Congregation, says that September 1, 1764, Jacob Stutzman purchased 230 > Acres. That in the same general area were David Fouts, Jacob Fouts, > John Fouts, Michael Fouts, and Andrew Hoover. My Fouts information > indicates that Andrew/Andreas Hoover had married Catherine Pfautz, > daughter of Johann Michael Pfautz/Catherine Slough - or a sister of > Elder Michael Pfautz (but as I said above - there is no Barbara named as > a sister of this Catherine). Nor does this family include a David > Fouts, and its Jacob and John Fouts died in Pennsylvania (Westmoreland > Co and Lancaster Co) > > Merle C Rummel