Merle, Thank you for your e-mail ref. the KY.Churches. It "kind-a" "sort-a" helps me with the emigration of my deceased husband's family emigration to Clark and Edgar Counties, ILL. around about 1820-30. It looks as though Francis Stump (died 1801) Muhlenberg County, KY was not living at the time of that 1800 "whatever" that caused the Baptist Brethren separation. Thanks again. Liz Stump s ----- Original Message ---- From: Merle C Rummel <cliff@rtkonline.com> To: brethren@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2008 5:54:58 AM Subject: [BRE] Another Kentucky Church I was so busy with the other Kentucky churches, that I missed this one which Rolland Flory told of in his "Lest We Forget" books - It is/was just southwest of Louisville (at or near the little suburban town of Shively) - it is still in existance as the Parkview Methodist Church, but its location has moved north into the city. Its beginning was before 1793 - a date at which it was accepted into the Salem Association. Records indicate that it was a Union Church -with both Baptist and Methodist meeting (certainly the Baptist Brethren, per later information). The Shively families donated land for a building in 1810. Flory lists membership names of Shively, Banta, Martin, Kern, Burkhart, Byers and Calvert. Many or most of these names are buried at the Shively Cemetery. I've just begun to explore these names. The family stories tell that the Shively and Banta families were at Redstone (Brownsville PA) about 1780, where Daniel Boone (?certainly only the stories about him) persuaded them of a future in Kentucky. Some of or all of these young men rowed down the Ohio River to "the Falls", where Daniel Boone (again?) persuaded them to go to Danville (main city of Kentucky then, where the state of Kentucky was organized). Enroute, in what is now Henry Co KY, an Indian attack killed John Shively and Jacob Banta. At Danville these men joined in the formation of the Low Dutch Company, which purchased some 6000 Acres of land from Squire Boone (north of Shelbyville KY - obtaining a total of 9000 Acres). Henry Shively married Mary Banta (daughter of Henry Banta) at Danville. . The Shively brothers (Christian, Jacob, Henry - sons of Michael Shively - brother John is dead) settled west of the "Wilderness Road" (or "Logan's Path") toward the mouth of the Salt River, where the town of Shively is and where this church was organized. Christian Shively (born 1746) married Anna Maria Bashore, and is recorded as returning to Pennsylvania to bring her to Kentucky. Jacob Shively (1751-1819) married Mary Swindler. Henry Shively (1759-1842) married Mary Banta. I have no information on a marriage for John Shively (1749-1781), although he was 32 years old when he was killed. I only have information on the children of Henry Shively. Henry Shively and family moved to Orange County IN (near the Lost River/Liberty Church) about 1837. Flory says that Henry's son, Jacob Banta Shively (1797-1868, wife Anna Shock?) is listed as a Brethren Minister (obituary in the Gospel Visitor - can anyone find it for me?). Most of this family went with the Disciples of Christ church after the division. These Shively families seem to have originally been Brethren and came to Kentucky as Pietistic Brethren. The "Baptist" identification of the church, then, was originally "Baptist Brethren". That as a result of the Annual Meeting actions in the early 1800s, which lost us all the Kentucky churches, this church went with the Methodists, who were also originally Pietistic. This is the Parkview Methodist Church of Louisville KY, today. Hendrick Banta III (1718-c1805) was born in New Jersey and died at the Low Dutch Settlement in Shelby Co KY. Others in that area were the Leathermans and the Stutzmans. The children of Hendrick Banta seem to have mostly come to Kentucky - I have more work to do on this family. If any of you have information about these families -I would be very interested (including Kentucky branches of the families: Martin, Kern, Burkhart, Byers and Calvert - I suspect this is includes the Peter Kern of whom I previously made inquiry) (Betty Darnell has helped me with some of the modern information.) Merle C Rummel ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear List I have just added The Primitive Christian newspaper (1876 -1883) obituary index to my web page. This includes the time the Primitive Christian and The Pilgrim were merged and printed under both titles. This was one of the five major Brethren newspaper before the Gospel Messenger. For those that have not been out the web site it is _http://www.rothweb.com/publications_ (http://www.rothweb.com/publications) Again if you want a copy of a obituary please e-mail at _orwahist@aol.com_ (mailto:orwahist@aol.com) . Please not which newspaper the obituary is from. Dennis Roth Olympia, Wash **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)

As a wild guess, try Daniel Flora, b. 1824 - Ohio and Elizabeth Swisher, b. abt 1826 - Ohio as parents. Daniels parents were John Flora and Hannah Dillman from Franklin County, Virginia. Children: Amos K. b. abt 1848 Preble County, Ohio Cordelia A. b. abt 1850 Howard County, Indiana Sarah Isabel b. 3/17/1853 Howard County, Indiana Alice E.b. abt 1857 Howard County, Indiana John W. b. abt Jul 1858 Howard County, Indiana Howard L. b. abt 1860 Howard County, Indiana Mary b. 9/1/1854 Howard County, Indiana Several cnesus has Mary's initial as "S", however she is liisted in the 1910 census as Mary C. Fisher. Joseph and Mary were married and lived in Miami County, Indiana and then later were in Howard County, Indiana. Hope this may help and not misleaad anyone. Jmding@aol.com wrote: Subject was b. 9/1/1854 and Md. Joseph Fisher. I am seeking her parents and 6 siblings. Any help will be welcomed. Thanks, Jim Denlinger **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Subject was b. 9/1/1854 and Md. Joseph Fisher. I am seeking her parents and 6 siblings. Any help will be welcomed. Thanks, Jim Denlinger **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)

What a sweet name she had. On 5/6/08, Jmding@aol.com <Jmding@aol.com> wrote: > > Subject was b. 9/1/1854 and Md. Joseph Fisher. > > I am seeking her parents and 6 siblings. > > Any help will be welcomed. > > Thanks, > > Jim Denlinger

Thanks, Wayne, for the reminder. I was questioning whether the Jacob Ronk in MO was the same as the one in Indiana since the names of the wives were different. Amy Tucker is buried beside Jacob Ronk in the Cedar County MO cemetery and the Jacob Ronk in IN was married to a Hannah Brothers. I have already found that this Jacob Ronk is the same person--two wives. Hannah died in Indiana and he married Amy before coming to MO. Yes, one of his children (Sarah) is married to Thomas Miller, the minister who remained with the Brethren in Cedar County and who moved to near Fort Scott KS at the beginning of the War. Several of his children were there already, several of them stayed in MO and weathered the war, and several of them returned to Iowa where they lived before coming to MO. The story of Thomas Miller being killed as he fled to KS did not happen, but most likely this story is true. There is another Brethren living in Cedar County who was killed in November 1861, but whether he was fleeing from the bushwhackers is not verified yet, although family accounts say he was killed by guerrillas or bushwhackers. A very close friend of Thomas Miller was forced to leave Dade County (where Miller lived also) and who went to Lawrence KS because of their acquaintance with other Indiana Brethren who lived there. This friend's brother was killed along the KS-MO border later. So, there are several stories of Brethren who were killed, but none of them were Thomas Miller who died on his farm in KS later. Jane. > From: SpiWebb@aol.com> To: brethren@rootsweb.com> Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 07:42:18 -0400> Subject: Re: [BRE] Jacob Ronk> > Jane,> > If you check your back issues of Brethren Roots you will find an article > about Thomas Miller that if memory serves me correctly discusses Jacob Ronk. > And to answer your question yes it is the same individual. The dispute that > Merle is discussing is part of the reason that some of the Miller family, > Thomas Miller is related to Elder Jacob Miller, went Christian Church.> > Wayne Webb> Back in the Saddle again.> > ----- Original Message ----- > > Message: 3> > Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:52:10 -0600> > From: Jane Davis <jneherda@msn.com>> > Subject: [BRE] Jacob Ronk> > To: "BRETHREN-L@rootsweb.com" <brethren-l@rootsweb.com>> > Message-ID: <BLU137-W33270EC9DAD0C003A5E528DED70@phx.gbl>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> >> > Merle--I have a Jacob Ronk [b.1778, d.1860] and his wife, Amy (Tucker) > > Ronk [b. 1803, d. 1863] buried in the Noffsinger Cemetery, Linn Township, > > Cedar County, MO. As far as is known, they were Brethren. Is this the > > same Jacob Ronk you are mentioning in the Raccoon Creek church? It is > > known that Thomas Miller and others came to Cedar County from this church > > and helped with organizing the church in MO in 1852 or 1853.> >> > However, the more that is revealed about this group it appears to have > > been spread out through several counties in southwestern MO prior to the > > Civil War. It most likely had several preaching points rather than one > > central location with the one the 3 Moore families attended near Stockton > > being one of several preaching points, or locations, of this church as > > there were a number of ministers located within the bounds of this church. > > This is perhaps one of the reasons a building was never erected. Jane > > Davis. > > > ------------------------> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN> ------------------------> Support Our Sponsoring Agency> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG)> For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com> ------------------------> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live SkyDrive lets you share files with faraway friends. http://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_skydrive_052008

Jane, If you check your back issues of Brethren Roots you will find an article about Thomas Miller that if memory serves me correctly discusses Jacob Ronk. And to answer your question yes it is the same individual. The dispute that Merle is discussing is part of the reason that some of the Miller family, Thomas Miller is related to Elder Jacob Miller, went Christian Church. Wayne Webb Back in the Saddle again. ----- Original Message ----- > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 17:52:10 -0600 > From: Jane Davis <jneherda@msn.com> > Subject: [BRE] Jacob Ronk > To: "BRETHREN-L@rootsweb.com" <brethren-l@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BLU137-W33270EC9DAD0C003A5E528DED70@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Merle--I have a Jacob Ronk [b.1778, d.1860] and his wife, Amy (Tucker) > Ronk [b. 1803, d. 1863] buried in the Noffsinger Cemetery, Linn Township, > Cedar County, MO. As far as is known, they were Brethren. Is this the > same Jacob Ronk you are mentioning in the Raccoon Creek church? It is > known that Thomas Miller and others came to Cedar County from this church > and helped with organizing the church in MO in 1852 or 1853. > > However, the more that is revealed about this group it appears to have > been spread out through several counties in southwestern MO prior to the > Civil War. It most likely had several preaching points rather than one > central location with the one the 3 Moore families attended near Stockton > being one of several preaching points, or locations, of this church as > there were a number of ministers located within the bounds of this church. > This is perhaps one of the reasons a building was never erected. Jane > Davis.

The Harshbargers, Meyers/Myers, Britts, Graybills, Peffleys, and Stoners, mentioned by Winger in Merle's message below, were residents of Botetourt County, Virginia, prior to their moving to Raccoon Creek, Ladoga, and other places in the Montgomery County, Indiana, area. Other related families in this particular migration included the Houtzes, Arnolds, Markeys, Kesslers, and Noffsingers. These families moved from Botetourt, VA, to Montgomery, IN, during the 1820s, 1830s, and into the 1840s. Dwayne Wrightsman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Merle C Rummel" <cliff@rtkonline.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Jacob Ronk > I don't have direct information on the Jacob Ronk - but Winger > says: Jacob Ronk and wife Hannah - from Virginia to Big Raccoon Creek, > 1826, Putnam Co IN (same year as Elder William R Smith). He then > mentions Jacob Ronk -as deacon, 1830 - other Ronk names are mentioned > for later - so this could be a son: > > Besides Thomas Miller going from the Four Mile to Raccoon Creek and > adjacent areas, I also had Elder Daniel Miller, Francis and Henry Moss, > and John Fosher. Potter John Miller (Elder Daniel's older brother -both > sons of Elder Jacob Miller) and his family were living just west on > Raccoon Creek, in Parke Co IN. - how many of these moved on to Missouri, > I didn't try to track. And you are right -it was the early 1850s -not > 1848 (as Winger/Harshbarger said) -at least for Thomas Miller. > > Besides the Ronks coming from Virginia, Winger names the Harshbargers - > and Myers, Britts, Graybills, Pefleys, Stoners. Elder Jacob Garver was > there, at least by 1846 (I don't know whether he was directly from > Virginia, or had come first to my Obannon/Clermont Co OH area first (as > some others did)) > > by the way, Jane - I've tried to send some of my Kentucky Book info to > you - and just realized -I had an old address and you've moved -so of > course it doesn't work - will send it again (its BIG!). > > Merle

I don't have direct information on the Jacob Ronk - but Winger says: Jacob Ronk and wife Hannah - from Virginia to Big Raccoon Creek, 1826, Putnam Co IN (same year as Elder William R Smith). He then mentions Jacob Ronk -as deacon, 1830 - other Ronk names are mentioned for later - so this could be a son: Besides Thomas Miller going from the Four Mile to Raccoon Creek and adjacent areas, I also had Elder Daniel Miller, Francis and Henry Moss, and John Fosher. Potter John Miller (Elder Daniel's older brother -both sons of Elder Jacob Miller) and his family were living just west on Raccoon Creek, in Parke Co IN. - how many of these moved on to Missouri, I didn't try to track. And you are right -it was the early 1850s -not 1848 (as Winger/Harshbarger said) -at least for Thomas Miller. Besides the Ronks coming from Virginia, Winger names the Harshbargers - and Myers, Britts, Graybills, Pefleys, Stoners. Elder Jacob Garver was there, at least by 1846 (I don't know whether he was directly from Virginia, or had come first to my Obannon/Clermont Co OH area first (as some others did)) by the way, Jane - I've tried to send some of my Kentucky Book info to you - and just realized -I had an old address and you've moved -so of course it doesn't work - will send it again (its BIG!). Merle > I have a Jacob Ronk [b.1778, d.1860] and his wife, Amy (Tucker) Ronk [b. 1803, d. 1863] buried in the Noffsinger Cemetery, Linn Township, Cedar County, MO. As far as is known, they were Brethren. Is this the same Jacob Ronk you are mentioning in the Raccoon Creek church? It is known that Thomas Miller and others came to Cedar County from this church and helped with organizing the church in MO in 1852 or 1853. > >

Thanks - I'll have to look up the Diary (I"m very glad that I live here close to Bethany Seminary). Bowman and Kline sure are not Boenin and Wine. But then - Elder William Harshbarger was born after Elder William Smith died - and he wrote this for Otho Winger and his History of the Brethren in Indiana - c1910 - well, I can understand why Bro Harshbarger named them as best as he could remember them being named -probably by his parents, from so many years before. This is one more of the series from about 1820s that I am finding, of Annual Meeting Elders acting against the earlier Elders who lived out here in the "west" -who were "not obeying Annual Meeting Decisions". This was at the time that the National Road opened for a flood of the eastern Brethren to migrate into communities out here in the "west", where the Brethren already had churches (this is decades before they met the Far Western Brethren over in Illinois). A question on this went back to Annual Meeting: "What do we do with these 'Strange Brethren'?" - the answer: "Avoid Them!" (avoidance - ban) About 1830, these Virginia Brethren Elders were called out to the Raccoon Creek Church (the Ladoga Churches), where they took the Church Eldership away from Elder William R Smith. They were called out to settle a dispute between him and Deacon Jacob Ronk (Deacon Ronk had just previously moved out from the eastern Annual Meeting area). Elder Wm Smith was holding (or wanted to hold):"open meetings" (have some ideas, but no specifics are given), and was opposed by Deacon Ronk, as this "was not according to the rules of the Brethren". We had earlier presented how the 1811 Virginia Conference acted similarly against the Eldership of Elder Jacob Miller - near Dayton (except - Elder Jacob was just a little bit more respected, so that they could not.removed him entirely - they just divided the Lower Miami Church [Dayton OH] into four church areas -giving him only one). What we have almost positively proved is that the William Smith, who preached in English with Elder Jacob Miller, in Franklin Co VA, moved to the Four Mile Church, about 1825, then a couple years later moved west with several of the Four Mile Families -including several of Elder Jacob's children -to the new church community in western Indiana, on Raccoon Creek, off the Wabash River. In error, Winger mentions him - as being from Darke Co OH (his own land purchases say he was from the Four Mile, Union Co IN). His children were born and married in Franklin Co VA. We do not have everything completely determined, but the general outline is there. You didn't get my question last fall, about Brethren Virginia History - what do your records say about what became of this William Smith of Franklin/Floyd Cos? - do they say anything that would dispute this conclusion? I hope the Diary will tell more of this decision. Thanks again Merle > Hello Merle, Boy am I behind. Did I answer your inquiry below? The answer > is that Elder Benjamin Bowman, minister of the GreenMount Church north west > of Harrisonburg and Elder Kline made the trip to serve on the A C committee > assignment. ANd if you look in the Diary Book of Kline, you will find this > trip outlined in detail, including the stops he made and the families he > visited and the sermons Elder Bowman preached. Emmert > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Merle C Rummel" <cliff@rtkonline.com> > To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 6:49 AM > Subject: [BRE] early Virginia Brethren > > > >> I am working on Elder William R Smith of the Raccoon Creek church in >> Putnam Co IN >> >> about 1830 there was a dispute in the church - >> >> Elder William R Harshbarger later says: "Elder W.R. Smith wanted to >> hold church meetings publicly. Deacon Ronk and others said that it was >> not according to the rules of the Brethren. To settle the difficulty, >> they sent for Brethren Boenin and Wine, of Virginia. They came on >> horseback to the little organization on Raccoon Creek. They heard the >> case and decided that the Ronks were right and that Smith was wrong. >> For this and other reasons the church was pput under the care of Daniel >> Miller." (Elder Daniel Miller - son of Elder Jacob Miller)

Merle--I have a Jacob Ronk [b.1778, d.1860] and his wife, Amy (Tucker) Ronk [b. 1803, d. 1863] buried in the Noffsinger Cemetery, Linn Township, Cedar County, MO. As far as is known, they were Brethren. Is this the same Jacob Ronk you are mentioning in the Raccoon Creek church? It is known that Thomas Miller and others came to Cedar County from this church and helped with organizing the church in MO in 1852 or 1853. However, the more that is revealed about this group it appears to have been spread out through several counties in southwestern MO prior to the Civil War. It most likely had several preaching points rather than one central location with the one the 3 Moore families attended near Stockton being one of several preaching points, or locations, of this church as there were a number of ministers located within the bounds of this church. This is perhaps one of the reasons a building was never erected. Jane Davis. _________________________________________________________________ Make Windows Vista more reliable and secure with Windows Vista Service Pack 1. http://www.windowsvista.com/SP1?WT.mc_id=hotmailvistasp1banner

Hello Merle, Boy am I behind. Did I answer your inquiry below? The answer is that Elder Benjamin Bowman, minister of the GreenMount Church north west of Harrisonburg and Elder Kline made the trip to serve on the A C committee assignment. ANd if you look in the Diary Book of Kline, you will find this trip outlined in detail, including the stops he made and the families he visited and the sermons Elder Bowman preached. Emmert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Merle C Rummel" <cliff@rtkonline.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 6:49 AM Subject: [BRE] early Virginia Brethren > Emmert - I know you said that you were going to Florida - but maybe you > (or someone) can answer this question for me - > > I am working on Elder William R Smith of the Raccoon Creek church in > Putnam Co IN > > about 1830 there was a dispute in the church - > > Elder William R Harshbarger later says: "Elder W.R. Smith wanted to > hold church meetings publicly. Deacon Ronk and others said that it was > not according to the rules of the Brethren. To settle the difficulty, > they sent for Brethren Boenin and Wine, of Virginia. They came on > horseback to the little organization on Raccoon Creek. They heard the > case and decided that the Ronks were right and that Smith was wrong. > For this and other reasons the church was pput under the care of Daniel > Miller." (Elder Daniel Miller - son of Elder Jacob Miller) > > Who were the Brethren Boenin and Wine - back about 1830? Sappington's > book does not name a Boenin, and of the many Wines - a prominent Wine of > that time might be a son of Michael Wine of Flat Rock. Can you give me > names? Yes, this goes along with my whole thesis on the Pietist - > Annual Meeting dispute of those times! (but I was not looking for that - ) > > Merle C Rummel > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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This is in my database on Shively. Note the death date and marriage date. I do not have original sources but the information came from a Shively book that is found in the Union County PA Historical Society Archives. It may also be in the Arthur Black Shively book. Descendants of Catherine Badger 1 Catherine Badger b: September 22, 1848 d: January 23, 1933 . +Grant Armagost b: November 08, 1850 d: October 04, 1883 m: January 12, 1871 .... 2 Willie Armagost b: 1872 d: 1872 .... 2 Frank Armagost b: November 02, 1873 ........ +Addie Derry b: September 25, 1884 m: 1904 .... 2 Hattie Armagost b: July 27, 1876 ........ +Harvey R. Beaver m: January 05, 1896 .... 2 Emma Armagost b: August 02, 1878 ........ +Edward Langfitt m: 1902 .... 2 Maggie Armagost b: December 30, 1883 ........ +Carry Simpson b: December 25, 1877 m: 1903 > Catharine Badger Armogast, b 22 Sept 1848 at White Springs, PA. > I don't have DOD or DOM. She married E Grant Armogast (b 8 > Nov 1850).My notes say 5 children, but I only have three listed: > Willie, Frank and Hattie, who married Harvey Beaver. Grant died > before she did, and she died in Colfax twp, Iowa. But some of > the Armogasts are buried at Waddams Grove cem., IL.

I think this will answer some of the questions concerning the children of Christian & Hannah Repp Badger. This is from an Iowa newspaper (1925): "FATAL ACCIDENT NEAR PANORA "GUY BADGER FATALLY INJURED WHEN STRUCK BY FALLING SLATE. "Guy Badger, eldest son of Mrs J K Myers of Dallas Center, was killed Wednesday of last week when a high pile of shale that he was working under toppled over, the peak of it striking him, inflicting such injuries that he died on the way to the King's Daughters hospital at Perry. [You may want to skip the next paragraph or two if you don't like graphic stuff.] "On the Badger farm near Panora is an abandoned coal mine where shale had been piled up to a height of about 20 feet. As we get the story, Mr Badger and a son were in the act of repairing a road with this substance and had hauled a considerable amount of it which was dug out of one side of the pile sufficient to undermine it to some extent, altho it was probably not considered dangerous. All went well until about 4:30 in the afternoon when the heap toppled over, the tip of it striking Mr Badger, throwing him against a wagon wheel with terrific force sufficient to tear away the back part of the skull and crush in a whole side of his face, besides inflicting internal injuries as marks on his body would indicate. "The son put his father in the wagon, drove to the house and carried him in and physicians were summoned. Upon their arrival it was determined that the only possibility of saving the man's life would be to rush him to the hospital, and the start was made. When the party reached Jamaica about six o'clock, it was discovered that Mr Badger was dead, so the party returned to the home with the lifeless body. After the accident Mr Badger seemed to be conscious but was so terribly injured that he was unable to talk, altho agreeing by nod of the head where he should be taken for treatment. "Funeral services were held from the Brethren church near Panora, conducted by E D Fiscel and Irving Haughtelin. "Interment in the beautiful cemetery nearby. "Guy Badger, son of C M and Hannah Badger, was born in Dallas county, Iowa, June 9, 1878. Died from the effects of an accident near his home in Panora January 7th 1925 at the age of 46 years, 7 months and 28 days. "He was united in marriage to Ara M Devilbiss on January 4, 1898. To this union were born thirteen children, four sons and nine daughters. One son, Orlin, and one daughter, Marie, preceded him in death; also his father who died June 7, 1912. "He is survived by his faithful side companion, three sons, Ival, Lee and Carl; eight daughters, Erma Richter of Montana; Mable, Opal, Elsie, Roberta, Hazel, Lavone and Mary. Also by his mother, three sisters, Mrs Cora Brubaker of Des Moines; Mrs Effie Book of Laurens, Iowa; and Katherine of Dallas Center; three brothers, Jesse of Bagley, IA; Ira of Mount Carmel, Ill; and Joy of Dallas Center; a number of other relatives, with a host of sympathizing friends. He was a kind husband and father, industrious and respected citizen." [No wonder I couldn't fit Joy Badger in with the girls. He's a guy.] **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)

The fellow I've been calling Robert Badger Jr, was born 1797, probably in PA, and died March 27, 1886 in Stephenson County, IL, near Waddams Grove. He was a carpenter and is credited with building one of the last wooden covered bridges in Union County PA, as I recall. He married Catherine McMurtrie at White Springs, Union County, sometime between 1815-1817. She was born c1794-96, and prob died before 1850. None of this information has been verified, except we do know that he is buried at Waddams Grove IL. I had presumed that he followed his son to Illinois from PA, but it could have been the other way around. In the 1850 census, Stephenson County, in Lancaster Twp, I find a Robert Badger born about the right time (he's 52 in 1850). His wife is Margaret, which would fit with our idea that Catherine had died during the journey. Children living with him are Samuel, 20; Catherine, 17; and John, 15. Our family's records say that the reason for assuming that we have Roberts I, II & III has to do with an old deed in Union County PA, for nine acres of ground sold for $100.00, dated ll/14/1825, from "Robert Badger" to "Robert Badger Jr." Admittedly, that doesn't necessarily mean they are father and son. But I still need to obtain a copy of the deed and see what it actually says. Linn's Annals of Buffalo Valley PA lists a Robert Badger who died October 16, 1837, but no age is given. His family is supposed to have consisted of Robert Jr., Samuel, three more sons and a daughter. This needs more checking. We also have a story about a Robert Badger traveling overland with Henry Lane and some Dalleys (kin on my husband's side) from PA to Stephenson County, IL. They didn't go by river because they had lots of livestock with them. On the journey, when they came to a river they had to cross, the prospect so frightened Mrs Badger that she had some kind of fit and died. I need to do more research on this. Okay, now you know all I know (some of which may be wrong). Happy hunting. Jan **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)

Your Badger information may very well trump mine. Maybe between the two of us we'll have something. I'm reasonably sure about Robert Badger whom I call III, the one who was a Brethren elder and who married Susannah Shively. We have a funeral card from his funeral service, and photos of headstones, etc., that my dad took on one of his genealogy trips. This one, Elder Robert Badger, (b Jan 22 1819 in PA Union County at White Springs & died Feb 24 1907 in Iowa at Panther, Dallas Co.) married Susannah Shively on January 1, 1840 at White Springs. Susannah was a daughter of George Shively (1788-1854) and Rachel Sties (1790-1861). The children I have for Robert & Susannah are: George, born Dec 3 1840, died 1841. Rachel, born Feb 11, 1842, d 1842. John Badger, born August 30 1843, PA White Springs; d July 19, 1916 IA Colfax twp. Married Elizabeth "Lizzie" Frey on Nov 27 1870 in IL. She was d/o Elder Daniel Frey (b 1806) andNancy Auman) and was born Sep 20 1851 in Stephenson Co. IL, d Sept 18, 1924 in Iowa. Two children: Susan Elizabeth Badger Hull & Rachel Anna Badger. Samuel Badger, born January 2, 1845 in Union Co,PA, d May 19, 1929 nr Manvel TX. Living in Stephenson Co IL by 1860 census. Joined Brethren 1864, became minister 1876 in IA, elder in 1878. Married June 13 1875 to P. Jane Crouse (b Dec 25 1855, d March 13, 1933 in TX) No blood children, but four foster children. Was elder of the Panther congregation. Moved family to TX. Funeral was at Manvel, TX. Susannah Badger Bower, born Dec 9 1846 in Union Co PA, d 20 Nov 1893 at McPherson, KS (my great-grandmother). Married David Bower July 7, 1867, Stephenson Co. IL. Six children: Rachel Ann Bower Dyck; Susannah Catherine Bower Boyd; Annie Elizabeth Bower Pitzer; Alice Mabel Bower Dickey; Mildred Ruth Bower Vaniman; David Earl Bower (always called "Earl"). David & Susannah are buried in the McPherson KS cemetery. Catharine Badger Armogast, b 22 Sept 1848 at White Springs, PA. I don't have DOD or DOM. She married E Grant Armogast (b 8 Nov 1850).My notes say 5 children, but I only have three listed: Willie, Frank and Hattie, who married Harvey Beaver. Grant died before she did, and she died in Colfax twp, Iowa. But some of the Armogasts are buried at Waddams Grove cem., IL. Mary Badger Beaver, b 23 August 1850 in Union Co PA. She married J H Beaver, and after a stopover in Stephenson Co. IL they wound up dying in Panther IA, Colfax twp. I have no info about children. infant son b 14 Oct 1852, d 1852. Christian M Badger, b 28 Sept 1853 in Union Co. PA, d June 7 1912. Died Jun 7 1912 at Panther Creek IA. Married Hannah C Repp August 9 1877. She is d/o George & Mary Jane Bell Repp. Hannah was born March 6 1859 in Williams Co. OH & died Oct 2 1948 at Panther Creek IA. Six children: Guy, Cora Badger Brubaker, Effie Badger Book, Jesse Badger, Ira Badger. For some reason I have some confusion about other child: Joy, Marie, Katherine. Needs to be straightened out. David Watson Badger, b 28 Sept 1855,Union Co PA, d 1941. Dallas Co. IA. Mostly called "Watson Badger." He married Sept 20 1877 Miss Annie Laura Emmert, b c1859 at Mt Carroll IL, d March 3 1921. Both buried at Panther Creek Cem. in IA. Children William A, Clara E Badger Wilcox, Ralph Q. Elizabeth b 23 August 1858 d 14 June 1911. m Albert Myers. She was a school teacher in the 1880 census for Dallas Co. IA. Children per Albert's obituary. Perhaps another two infants who didn't live long, if at all. ?? Jan T **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)

OK on the Myers's - and Enoch & Nancy did have a son Albert, but apparently not the one who was killed by a UP train. The burial place of Enoch and Nancy is in the E. Chelsea Cemetery, west of Waddams Grove, IL - I think over across the county line into Jo Daviess Co. (Their son Albert P. Myers (b. July 26, 1858, d. Jan. 21, 1924) m. Clara Elizabeth Lutz on Mar. 6, 1884 - a sister of grandfather John "Ezra" Lutz.) OK also on the Badgers - apparently there were two Elizabeth's, and my father correctly identified his grandmother's sister in the anniversary picture as Lizzie Badger and not Lizzie Myers. Now I wonder whether you would be so kind as to fill in some blanks for me. I had only two generations of Robert Badgers. Here is what I have missing and would be glad to have them filled in: Your first Robert Badger and his wife are completely missing from my records. For your Robert Badger II, all that I have is that he was born "about 1797" and died March 27, 1866, with his burial place in the Louisa Cemetery, between Lena and Waddams Grove, IL - I have nothing about his wife. Your Robert Badger III is the only child of Roger Badger II that I have listed. For children of Robert Badger III, I have Samuel and Catherine with no dates, places, or spouses. For John and Elizabeth (Fry) Badger, I have no death dates. I suppose I can survive a while yet without any of this information, but if you can fill any of the missing pieces, it will look nice. With appreciation, Dwight Farringer. ----- Original Message ----- From: <KTompk7744@aol.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 12:56 PM Subject: [BRE] Albert & Elizabeth Badger Myers > Well, the obituary would sound like you are right about Albert's parents > being Isaac and Sarah Myers, whereas I had him (apparently wrongly) as s/o > Enoch > & Nancy Musser Myers. For what it's worth, Enoch and Nancy moved from > Juniata County PA to Wayne Co. OH, then to Jo Daviess Co. IL.; alas, this > information was entered early on in my venturing into genealogy, and I > didn't know > to record my sources back then. > > However, as to the wife, Elizabeth Badger Myers, in our family records she > was born August 23, 1858 at White Springs, Union County, PA and died June > 14, > 1911. She married Albert January 1, 1880, perhaps at Panther Creek. > Elizabeth is d/o Elder Robert Badger III (1819-1907) and Susannah Shively > (1819-1894). Her obituary is one of the clippings in Great-Grandpa > Bower's scrapbook > and appears to be from the Gospel Messenger. It clearly identifies her > as > "nee Badger" and being married to Albert Myers. The death notice was > sent > in by O E Messamer of Adel, Iowa. Since Great-Grandpa David Bower was > married to another child of Robert Badger III and Susannah Shively, > namely Susannah > Badger, I guess that would make Albert and Elizabeth his brother- and > sister-in-law. > > I do know that he also saved copies of newspaper and Gospel Messenger > articles about Mrs Lutz. > > Happy hunting. > > Jan

Well, the obituary would sound like you are right about Albert's parents being Isaac and Sarah Myers, whereas I had him (apparently wrongly) as s/o Enoch & Nancy Musser Myers. For what it's worth, Enoch and Nancy moved from Juniata County PA to Wayne Co. OH, then to Jo Daviess Co. IL.; alas, this information was entered early on in my venturing into genealogy, and I didn't know to record my sources back then. However, as to the wife, Elizabeth Badger Myers, in our family records she was born August 23, 1858 at White Springs, Union County, PA and died June 14, 1911. She married Albert January 1, 1880, perhaps at Panther Creek. Elizabeth is d/o Elder Robert Badger III (1819-1907) and Susannah Shively (1819-1894). Her obituary is one of the clippings in Great-Grandpa Bower's scrapbook and appears to be from the Gospel Messenger. It clearly identifies her as "nee Badger" and being married to Albert Myers. The death notice was sent in by O E Messamer of Adel, Iowa. Since Great-Grandpa David Bower was married to another child of Robert Badger III and Susannah Shively, namely Susannah Badger, I guess that would make Albert and Elizabeth his brother- and sister-in-law. I do know that he also saved copies of newspaper and Gospel Messenger articles about Mrs Lutz. Happy hunting. Jan **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)

Both the Myers and the Badger names ring some bells with me, and I would like to explore some possible connections. First, regarding the Myers connection: Was the Albert Myers (referred to below) a son of Isaac Myers (b. Apr 16, 1822 in PA and d. Apr. 13889 at Panther, IA) and Sarah Garver (b. Oct. 29, 1829 in Franklin Co., PA and d. Feb 27, 1891 in Iowa)??? This Sarah Garver was a sister of my great-grandmother Lydia Garver Lutz. I have that this Albert Myers and Sarah Garver had a son George S. Myers (b. 1853 and m. Elsie Ella McCauley), then another son Albert and a daughter Sarah Rebecca. I wonder whether this "other son Albert" was the one killed by a UP train. The 1857 date of birth is reasonable, and there is no "Davis County, Illinois" but there is Jo Daviess County, which is adjacent to Stephenson County, and those two counties were the locations of my Myers relatives. Now, regarding the Badger connection: Was the "Elizabeth Badger" (referred to below as wife of Albert Myers) born as Elizabeth Fry (b. Sep. 20, 1851 in Stephenson Co., IL, and m. John Badger Nov. 20, 1870)??? This Elizabeth and John had two daughters, b. 1873 and 1875, and John could have died early enough that Elizabeth could have an 1880 second marriage to Albert Myers. This Elizabeth Fry was daughter of Daniel Fry, pioneer Brethren missionary to Denmark, and was a sister of my great-grandmother Lydia Fry Farringer. There are two family group pictures on the occasion of the 50th wedding anniversary of my great-grandparents Henry and Lydia (Fry) Farringer in October, 1908, in which a bonnet-wearing lady was identified by my father as "Lizzie Badger", standing behind her sister Lydia in one of the pictures. There could be some puzzlement about why my father identified her by her first-married name Badger rather than her second-married name Myers - if she indeed was the wife of the Albert Myers referred to below. I will be glad if anyone can shed more light on these possible connections. L. Dwight Farringer, North Manchester, IN. ----- Original Message ----- From: <KTompk7744@aol.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 9:13 PM Subject: [BRE] Albert Myers obituary (m. Elizabeth Badger) > >From an Iowa newspaper dated June 14, 1930: > > "ALBERT MYERS' DEATH TRAGIC > > "AUTOMOBILE WAS STRUCK BY A FAST UNION PACIFIC TRAIN. > > "When news was received here last week of the death > of Albert Myers (or 'Ab' as friends knew him), the > telegram did not reveal the nature of the accident. The > tragic death of Mr Myers occurred at a railway crossing > through the streets of Sutherland, Neb., where he lived. > His car was struck by a fast U P train with such force > that Mr Myers was killed instantly. Many friends here > at the old home regret to learn of his untimely death. > > "The body was brought here for burial, the funeral having > been held last Thursday afternoon at the Panther Creek > Church of the Brethren conducted by Eld. J B Spurgeon, > assisted by O E Messamer. Many old friends and > neighbors were present at the funeral, the church being > almost filled. > > "The following obituary was read at the funeral: > > "Albert Myers, son of Isaac and Sarah Myers, was born > in Davis County, Illinois, June 21st, 1857, and departed > this life at Sutherland, Neb., April 15, 1930, aged 7_ > years, 9 months and 24 days. > > "When 19 years of age, he came with his parents to > Dallas county, Iowa. He, on Jan. 1st, 1880, Albert > was married to Elizabeth Badger. For more than 35 > years they lied in the Panther community. To them > were born six children, one daughter dying in infancy. > Mrs. Myers was called to her eternal home July 12th, > 1915. > > "On November 11th, 1919, Mr Myers was married to > Mrs. Sadie Kirkendal. Since 1925 they made their > home at Sutherland, Neb., where the accident that > took his life occurred April 15th. While driving his > car he was struck and instantly killed by a fast, > through train. > > "He is survived by his wife, three sons, Robert I, John > A, and Orva S of Adel; two daughters: Mary (Mrs. > A B Schaeffer) of Adel, and Clara (Mrs Norris) of > Stromberg, Neb. Also by sixteen grandchildren; two > great grandchildren; two brothers, Nathan and Henry > E of Adel; three sisters, Mrs Hattie Long of Panora, > Mrs F C Wicks and Mrs G C Royer of Adel, besides > many other relatives and friends. > > "As a young man he became a member of the Church > of the Brethren and lived faithful, always concerned for > work and principles of the Christian religion and his > church. His interest in humanity and in business > made for him a wide circle of friends and acquaintances > to whom the news of his sudden death came as a severe > shock. > > "One by one our loved ones leave us, > As the hour of life grows late; > One by one their partings grieve us; > They are passing through the gate. > > "One by one they are invited > To our Monarch's broad estate; > Not a loyal soul is slighted, > They are passing through the gate. > > "One by one we all are going > Down the pathway steep and straight; > Ah, the joy there is in knowing > We shall meet beyond the gate." > > > > **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? 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