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    1. [BRE] George Conrad Mack, chr. 1674, in "Counting the Cost"
    2. David Myers

    3. The following are the comments about George Conrad Mack in "Counting the Cost." Willoughby doesn't indicate where this material came from but it may be at least partly from oral tradition. The reference to George Conrad being rebellious in "secular ways" may be a conclusion based on George Conrad's first child being born about a month after George Conrad and Anna Margaret were married, although I'm not sure that George Conrad's parents objected to this situation as much as Alexander may have. George Conrad's father seems to have been fairly generous to him in the will and George Conrad has children named Johan Philip and Anna Christina but no children named Alexander. David Myers ------------------------------ "Counting the Cost" -- William G. Willoughby (1979): Page 21. "But the third son, George Conrad, a rebellious and difficult child, was often referred to as that 'cursed child,' and plans for him were uncertain." Page 25. "As a maturing young man, Mack had to think about his own future. He was made keenly aware of this when George Mack, the rebellious third son, announced his intentions of marrying Anna Margaret Schwartz from Ladenburg and leaving Schriesheim. After the wedding the Mack family bade George and Anna Margaret goodbye as they left to set up housekeeping in Ladenburg, where George could pursue his trade as a baker. The Mack family was not sorry to see George leave, for they looked upon him as a thorn in the flesh." "Both George and Alexander were rebellious against tradition, George in secular ways, Alexander in religious ways. It is quite evident that the stresses of operating the mill, the almost constant occupation by invading armies, and the pervasive insecurity of the times exacted a heavy toll from the Mack family." Page 28. Willoughby discusses the will of John Philip Mack, father of Alexander, Sr. and George Conrad: "To Jacob , the oldest, Mack gave one-half of the mill and to Alexander the other. To George he gave a house." ____________________________________________________________ Rock Solid Web Hosting. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nBPXX306auKiZr9nY73QV5HQyB21qgKYw67vh9D2nhFc1xm/

    06/15/2008 03:13:47
    1. Re: [BRE] How find DNA projects
    2. Roberta J. Estes

    3. Go to www.familytreedna.com and put the surname into the search box. Roberta Estes -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of winter dellenbach Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 11:43 PM To: Brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRE] How find DNA projects Can you all give me suggestions about how one finds out if there is a DNA project going re: a specific surname? I can (and have) googled around, but either there is nothing (likely) or I am not going about this right. winter ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    06/15/2008 11:42:35
    1. [BRE] Elias-Margaret RITTER DNA Project Results

    3. Phil, I was able to find your site through Donna; so I am send along a copy to you on this list. Possibly someone will be able to help somemore with the Elias and Margaret RITTER family. Chocy Donna, I was glad to hear from you and that you were still at the same e-mail address. Thank you for the Ritter Family DNA Project Results page. I really enjoyed it and also going over some of Phil's other pages. Unfortunately, I do not know any RITTER male direct lines to my family; but this project sure would help me, if I did. My father's mother was Maud Elizabeth RITTER born in Illinois in 1880. Her father, Jacob Henry RITTER, was the son of Jacob and Elizabeth (GOCHENOUR) RITTER, both born in Virginia. Jacob's parents and my third great grandparents, were both RITTERs, both born in Virginia and both born in 1790. They were Stephen A. and Mary "Polly" (RITTER) RITTER. Stephen sold all his property (1835) in Virginia moving to Licking County, Ohio where he and John BELL are credited as founders of St. Louisville (1837) which is located just north of Newark on Route No. 13. Stephen owned the whole north side of St. Louisville running a stageline, tavern and inn, as well as, farming. They had 6 boy and 3 girls. Adam and John RITTER were newly married also farmed in the area. I have not been able to prove the parents of Stephen A. RITTER; but I do have proof of Mary "Polly" RITTER's parents and my fourth great grandparents who were Henry and Eleanor "Nellie" (COALE) RITTER of Frederick County, Virginia. So, as you can see I have deep roots in the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia as my grandmother Elizabeth (GOCHENOUR) RITTER is a direct line to Jost HITE through my grandparents Jacob and Magdalena (HITE) CHRISMAN. At any rate, I have spent loads of time researching these families and my RITTERs have been very hard to sort out. Skipping over and back to my fourth great grandfather, Henry RITTER which led me to you. As you probably know, there is an Elias RITTER of Westmoreland County, Pennsylvania who has a will recorded in Frederick County, Virginia. However, I have never been able to find a copy of the will recorded there. I only know that it was because only one abstract book that I have ever seen includes Elias RITTER's will which stated that he was from Westmoreland County, Pennsylvania. I have never been able to locate him in that Pennsylvania county, so I thought perhaps the compiler made an error and it should have been Westmoreland County, Virginia. Well, I still do not know; but from what I see on the internet it probably was Pennsylvania. This Elias RITTER had a wife Margaret, as well as one of his daughters names was Margaret. I then found on a website where someone, though not proved, was naming Margaret RITTER the wife of William CARPER as the daughter of this Elias RITTER. Now this becomes very interesting because I have been trying to find out which RITTER family of the area this Margaret belonged plus William and Margaret (RITTER) CARPER were close neighbors and married at about the same time as my grandparents, Henry and "Nellie" (COALE) RITTER. While I believe that someone in Elias RITTER's will lived in Frederick County, Virginia, I don't know who since his children were all named like the other RITTERs of the county aka Catherine, John, Jacob and so forth. I always thought it possible that Margaret (RITTER) CARPER was Henry RITTER's sister. But I do not know; however, Henry did have a daughter named Margaret; but Elias and Margaret RITTER did not have a son named Henry. Anyhow, this is probably more than you wanted to know; but it shows you why I am so interested in the RITTER DNA Project Results and feel sorry that I don't know any direct males from my RITTER line which again could prove confusing since my line is a double RITTER from the same place and in the same year! Thanks again, Chocy **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102)

    06/15/2008 10:00:39
    1. Re: [BRE] Ritter DNA
    2. J. M. Freed

    3. The Ritter Surname DNA Project is at the following website: http://www.stanford.edu/~philr/RitterDNA/RitterResults.html Jim Freed, administrator Freed surname and McCabe Surname DNA Projects ----- Original Message ----- From: <Chocybrown@aol.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Ritter DNA > Is there a website where the RITTER DNA matches are shown? My third > great > grandparents are both RITTERs, both born in 1790 in Virginia, both > or one of the > families probably had ties back to Maryland. One of the families had > ties to > the Lutheran Church at Winchester. However, my second great > grandfather, as > well as his sister married the GOCHENOUR siblings. The GOCHENOUR > family were > a Mennonite family from the Back Creek area of Shenandoah County, > Virginia > just north of Woodstock. > > Chocy

    06/14/2008 05:38:48
    1. Re: [BRE] Ritter DNA
    2. Philip Ritter

    3. Here are some pointers if you look at the Ritter Surname DNA Project Website. The first group (colored light blue) are those who are descended from or match descendants of Jesse Ritter of North Carolina. I'm next (ID 4640, colored yellow) followed by the descendant of Hans George Ritter of Exetor, Berks Co. The website states that Hans George was born in Eppingen, Germany (per claims of descendants), but I'm not convinced that is the case. The descendant of John Ritter (b. NC) and Jacob Ritter, who settled in St. Joseph Co., IN is ID 8791 (kind of a lavender color). I'm also descended from the Elias Ritter whose descendants are shown in purple and is believed to be descended from an Elias Ritter who is claimed to have come as early as 1650 and settled in Western Maryland. Those Ritter were not originally Brethren (although many became so in Kosciusko Co., IN--e.g. my ancestor Catherine Ritter was the wife Elder Peter Hamman who ministered in Camp Creek, Kosciusko Co.). Some of the Maryland Ritters who have been mentioned may belong to this Ritter family. One lesson from the y-chromosome testing is that there are a lot of different Ritter families out there with different origins, so one cannot assume a common ancestry because of a shared last name (my uncle claimed we were related to Tex Ritter, who he had met, but that is clearly not true). There is also always a (very) slight danger of a misattributed ancestry in any generation (because of an unrecorded adoption or extra-marital paternity), which may result in someone with a Ritter surname having a non-Ritter y-chromosome. For this reason, many projects try to get descendants of different sons of the most distant ancestor to participate (if they match we can be assured we have the original y-chromosome "signature" of that original ancestor), although that is often not possible. Our Ritter project is still pretty small (33 participants) as y-chromosome projects go, and we hope to find more matches in the future. Winter, I searched for the Dellenbach surname at Family Tree DNA (the largest genealogical DNA testing company) and no Dellenbachs have been tested there. If you go to http://www.familytreedna.com/ you can search for other surnames. I also tried the Sorenson project (http://www.smgf.org/pages/ydatabase.jspx) and again there were no Dellenbachs. Phil Ritter Ritter surname y-chromosome co-administrator (also Hamman and Bachman). At 08:38 PM 6/14/2008, you wrote: >The Ritter Surname DNA Project is at the following website: >http://www.stanford.edu/~philr/RitterDNA/RitterResults.html > >Jim Freed, administrator >Freed surname and McCabe Surname DNA Projects > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <Chocybrown@aol.com> >To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 6:29 PM >Subject: Re: [BRE] Ritter DNA > > > > Is there a website where the RITTER DNA matches are shown? My third > > great > > grandparents are both RITTERs, both born in 1790 in Virginia, both > > or one of the > > families probably had ties back to Maryland. One of the families had > > ties to > > the Lutheran Church at Winchester. However, my second great > > grandfather, as > > well as his sister married the GOCHENOUR siblings. The GOCHENOUR > > family were > > a Mennonite family from the Back Creek area of Shenandoah County, > > Virginia > > just north of Woodstock. > > > > Chocy > > > ------------------------ >Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) >For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    06/14/2008 03:27:21
    1. Re: [BRE] Rhoads et al

    3. Merle, I have a number of disagreements with the outline you have provided below (and I see no evidence for this outline). Proven is a pretty strong word in genealogy, and I prefer to say I have evidence to support my hypothesis. Much of it I've posted in the following emails: Subject: [BRE] Henry Roth - Full documentation Date: 1/7/2008 To: _brethren@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:brethren@rootsweb.com) Subject: Henry Rhoads, ca. 1712-1774 - update Date: 3/21/2008 To: _BRETHREN@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:BRETHREN@rootsweb.com) Subject: Henry Rhoads, ca. 1712-1774 - update 2 Date: 4/5/2008 To: _BRETHREN@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:BRETHREN@rootsweb.com) I will send you a separate report of what I have on this line in another email. Sincerely, Glen Swartz ------------------------ 6/13/2008 5:24:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cliff@rtkonline.com writes: A primary method I am using in my research of the early Brethren Churches of Kentucky, is to follow the Brethren families, as they go to Kentucky, and as members of the family leave Kentucky in the moves west. I have collected the following data on these families. I would appreciate your review of this information, and any proven corrections you can provide. Than you, Merle C Rummel ********************************* RHOADES Family RH-1 Heinrich ROTH...........m. c1728................Katerina ?RHEINHARDT b. 23 Jan 1711 Palatinate Germany..............b. c1714 Germany d. 7 Apr 1774 Brothers Valley PA..............d. ?1774 Ursina PA bur: family cemetery f. Hendreek Roth m. Catrina Cable ch: ...Susannah.....(1734-..........m.........John Swisher. ...Barbara......(1735-c1800)....m. c1766, Michael Sylls ........Bedford Co PA. ...Henry........(1739-1815).....1/m 1760, Elizabeth Stoner. .....Muhlenberg Co KY ................................2/m 1808, Barbara Lauriman ...Catherine....(1745-1838).....m.........Frederick Sipes ......Bedford Co PA. ...Jacob........(1749-1790).....m. c1771, Rebecca Gilbert ......Bedford Co PA. ...Gabriel......(1751-1818).....m. 1769, Rachel Shedacre .......Bedford Co PA. ...Joseph.......(1753-1799).....m. c1774, Elizabeth Mitchum ....Muhlenberg Co KY ...Daniel.......(1755-1838).....1/m 1777, Eve Faust ............Nelson Co KY. ................................2/m 1794, Elizabeth Newman .....Paris IL. 1737 – to America with parents – Hendreek Roth - to Ephrata c1770 – to Brothers Valley, Stony Creek Church (now Somerset Co PA) Family Authorities say that there was no sibling named Solomon ....Austin Coopers information came primarily from the Sylls family of Pennsylvania. RH-12 Henry RHOADS............1/m 19 Oct 1760.........Elizabeth Dovey STONER b. 5 June 1739 Lancaster Co PA................b. 25 Mar 1744 Frederick Co MD d. March 1815 Muhlenberg Co KY...............d. 2 Oct 1807 Muhlenberg Co KY bur: Rhoads Cemetery – on farm.................bur: Rhoads Cemetery f. Henry Rhoads.................................f. Christian Steiner m. Katerina.....................................m. Catharina Ramsburg ........................2/m 9 Feb 1808..........Barbara LAURIMAN ................................................b. 1787 Logan Co KY ch: ...John.........(1762-1779) ...Jacob........(1763-1832).....m. c1782, Alsinda Van Meter ....Macupin Co IL. ...Susannah.....(1765-1838).....m. 1783, Peter Nighmyoir. ...Daniel.......(1766-1839).....1/m 1789, Mary Keith ...........Warrick Co IN. ................................2/m 1816, Mary Kimberly ...Caterina.....(1768-1857).....m. 1790, Christopher Jackson ...Pike Co MO ...Elizabetha...(1770--1852)....m. 1786, Jacob Van Meter ...Henry........(1772-1840).....m. 1808, Elizabeth Noffsinger NF-1 .Warrick Co IN ...Solomon......(1774-1849).....1/m 1795, Nancy Bradley ................................2/m 1798, Rachael Johnson ......Muhlenberg Co KY ...David........(1777-1855).....1/m 1798, Elizabeth Vaught .....Bedford Co PA. ................................2/m 1824, Sallie Eaves ...Hanna........(1780-1847).....m. 1795, Jesse Jackson .........Muhlenberg Co KY 1775 - Trip to Kentucky – marked land (McConnell’s Run - near Lexington) Revolution – captain, Brother’s Valley 3d Company – Col Wm Parker/Gen Peter Muhlenberg Wintered at Valley Forge 1784 -11 May KY –Long Falls of the Green River – Capt Wm Rowan –from Fort Hartford Rhoads - founded Rhoadsville –became Fort Vienna – or Vienna Falls – lost land to John Hanley (Dorseys of Annapolis MD) - “Calhoun” KY. 1788 – Hartford, Nelson Co (now Ohio Co) 1794 – to Pond River – near Greenville - Brouder KY – Logan Co -2500 Acres – military lands Solomon – Brethren Preacher – Surveyor (Henry did not have a brother Solomon – error –based on his will) RH-122 Jacob RHOADS............m. 7 Oct 1786...........Alcinda Alsey VANMETER b. 6 Jun 1763 Cumberland Co PA.................b. 1766 Frederick VA d. c1835 Macoupin Co IL...................d. c1830 Grayson Co KY bur: Medora Cemetery f. Henry Rhoads.................................f. Jacob VanMeter m. Elizabeth Stoner.............................m. Letitia Stroude ch: ...John.........(c1787-1854)....1/m 1805, Mary Williamson ......Macoupin Co IL. ................................2/m.......Lucinda Elliott ...Nancy........(1788-..........m. 1804, John Brady ...Josiah.......(1790-1859).....m. 1812, Susan Watkins .........Macoupin Co IL. ...Samuel.......(1791-1877).....1/m 1814, Jane Pennybaker ................................2/m 1836, Frances Keele ........Macoupin Co IL. ...Jacob........(1793-1871).....m. 1814, Elizabeth Owens .......Macoupin Co IL. ...Henry........(1794-1854).....1/m c1818, Mary Cleaver ........Macoupin Co IL. ................................2/m 1836, Lydia Keele (cholera) .Macoupin Co IL ...Elizabeth....(c1795-.........m.........Lewis Elliott ...Susan........(c1798-.........m...................Kimball ...Jesse........(1800-1867).....1/m c1818, Margaret Calden ................................2/m........Hannah Winthrow .....Macoupin Co IL. 1780 – with VanMeter family –to Kentucky – 27 flatboats to “Bear Grass” (Louisville) –settled 40 mi south (Elizabethtown KY) –Severns Valley. 1786 – with parents – to Nelson Co KY (Calhoun) to Hardin Co KY. 1831 - Rock Creek Baptist Church – sons Baptist Preachers – John/Samuel/Jacob/ 1835 – “Rhoads Point” (now Medora) Macoupin Co IL RH-124 Daniel RHOADS...........1/m 11 Nov 1789........Mary KEITH b. 11 Jul 1766 Bedford Co PA...................b. 10 Nov 1773 (W)VA d. 1 Mar 1819 Warrick Co IN...................d. c20 Mar 1851 Pike Co IN ................................................bur: RhoadsCemetery f. Henry Rhoads.................................f. John Keith m. Elizabeth Stone..............................m. Hannah ................................................2/h 1819, John Compton ........................2/m c Oct 1811..........America KIMBERLY ................................................b. 14 Oct 1777 VA ch: ...James ...David........(c1789- ........................................Pike Co IN ...Lewis........(c1792-c1855)...m. 1816, ?Diana Jones ..........Pike Co IN ...Henry........(c1794-.........m. 1816, Mary Lightner ...William......(c1794-c1858)...1/m 1844, Esther Chamness ......Pike Co IN ................................2/m c1816, Elizabeth ...John.........(c1806- ...Riley........(c1807-1873)....m. 1829, Nancy Jones ...........Warrick Co IN. ...Daniel.......(1812-1873).....m.1834, Sarah Hudspeth .........Warrick Co IN. ...Andrew.......(c1813-1872)....m. 1833, Mahala Jones ..........Warrick Co IN. ...Isaac........(1815-1846).....1/m 1833, Jane McClarey ................................2/m 1837, Nancy Severs .........Warrick Co IN. ...Sally........(1818-1868).....m. 1837, Gilbert Clutter .......Warrick Co IN. 1809 – 9 May - Mary Keith – left – divorce – William only son with her RH-125 Caterina RHOADS.........m. 13 Feb 1790..........Christopher Maccabeus JACKSON Jr. b. 19 Jul 1768 Bedford Co PA...................b. 8 Jan 1768 d. 31 Oct 1857 Pike Co MO......................d. 22 Jul 1831 f. Henry Rhoads.................................f. Christopher M Jackson m. Elizabeth Stoner.............................m. Magdalene Boggess ch: ...Elizabeth....................m. 1808, John Mason ...Julius.......(1793-1869).....m........Harriet McCreary ...Mary.........(c1795-.........m........Joshua Render ...Ann..........(c1796-.........m........Elias Jackson ...Christopher..(1797-1884).....m. 1827, Camilla Shanks ...Hannah.......(c1798-.........m. 1822, John White ...Gabriel......(c1802-.........m........Sallie Pate ...Sarah........(1805-1856).....m. 1824, William Thomas ...Rebecca......(1806-1890).....m. 1829, Jesse Mooreman ........Breckenridge Co KY ...Catherine ...Providence...(c1809-c1876)...m........Moorman Edison ................MO ...Rachel.......(1814-..........m. 1831, John Chilton ..................MO RH-127 Henry RHOADS............m. 15 Jun 1808..........Elizabeth NOFFSINGER b. 29 Mar 1772 Bedford Co PA...................b. 3 Dec 1776 d. 5 Sep 1840 Warrick Co IN...................d. 20 Oct 1848 Warrick Co IN bur: Rhoads Cemetery, New Hope..................bur: Rhoads Cemetery f. Henry Rhoads.................................f. John Noffsinger m. Elizabeth Stoner.............................m. Mary Spangler ch: ...George.......(1810-1873).....m. 1838, Catherine Brown .......Warrick Co IN. ...Solomon......(1811-1880).....m. 1831, Mary Hedges ...........Yankeetown IN ...Benjamin.....(1812-1873).....m. 1836, Emily Danforth ........Warrick Co IN. ...Rachel.......(1817-1897).....m. 1834, Dave Hedges ...........Warrick Co IN. ...Mary E.......(1819-1900).....m. 1837, William Meeks .........Wayne Co UT. RH-128 Solomon RHOADS.........1/m 3 Feb 1795...........Nancy BRADLEY b. 7 Jun 1774 Bedford Co PA....................b. 13 Mar 1772 PA d. 19 Nov 1849 Muhlenberg Co KY................d. 7 Nov 1796 KY bur: Browder Cemetery f. Henry Rhoads m. Elizabeth Stoner .......................2/m 5 Feb 1798..........Rachel BOONE JOHNSON ................................................b. 1 Apr 1779 SC ................................................d. 30 Jan 1865 Muhlenberg Co KY. ................................................f. Squire Boone Jr ................................................m. Jane Van Cleve ch: ...Bradford.....(1795-1828).....m. 1817, Susan F Noffsinger ....Muhlenberg Co KY ...Sarah........(1796-1875).....m. c1814, Solomon Noffsinger ...Muhlenberg Co KY ...Polly........(1799-1842).....m. 1815, Peter S Baker ...Samuel.......(1800-1881) ...Nathan.......(1803-..........m. 1833, Hannah J Jones ...Elizabeth....(1805-1842).....m. 1825, Jacob Landis ...Henry........(1807-1884).....m. 1831, Elizabeth Morton ......Muhlenberg Co KY ...Shaley.......(1810-1835).....m........James Mahone ...Presby.......(1812-1860).....m. 1838, Sallie Ross ...........Muhlenberg Co KY ...Absolom......(1814-1888).....m. 1844, Tabitha Dennis ........Muhlenberg Co KY ...Minerva......(1817-..........m. 1839, Peter H Baker RH-129 David RHOADS............1/m 2 Dec 1798..........Elizabeth VAUGHT b. 19 Nov 1777 Bedford Co VA...................b. 19 Mar 1779 Lancaster Co PA. d. 8 Jul 1854 Muhlenberg Co KY.................d. 11 Nov 1822 Muhlenberg Co KY. bur: Rhoads Cemetery, Browder KY................bur: Rhoads Cemetery f. Henry Rhoads.................................f. Gilbert Vaught m. Elizabeth Stoner.............................m. Mary Martin ........................2/m 22 Mar 1824........Sarah EAVES ................................................b. 15 Aug 1794 Brunswick Co VA. ................................................d. 28 Apr 1853 Muhlenberg Co KY. ................................................bur: Rhoads Cemetery ch: ...Mary.........(1800-1862).....m. c1818, Henry C Myers ........Muhlenberg Co KY ...Gilbert......(1803-1894).....m. 1825, Temperance Eaves ......Muhlenberg Co KY ...Barnabas.....(1805-1887).....m. 1831, Mary Roll .............Muhlenberg Co KY ...Rachel.......(1807-1881).....m. 1825, Abraham Roll ..........Muhlenberg Co KY ...Elizabeth....(1808-1907) ...Christopher..(1809-1849).....1/m.......Sarah Downing ................................2/m 1831, Eleanor Smith ........Mississippi ...Jacob........(1812-1895).....m. 1839, Elizabeth Linton ......Logan Co KY ...Nancy........(1814-1884).....m. 1833, Thomas R Morton .......Ohio Co KY ...Levina.......(b/d 1815) ...Pityful......(1817-d/inf) ...Barbara......(1819-1901).....m. 1837, Thomas Ross RH-12A Hanna Rebecca RHOADS....m. 15 Dec 1795..........Jessie JACKSON b. 23 Mar 1780 Bedford Co PA....................b. 5 Jan 1769 VA d. 1845 Adams Co IL......................d. 3 Jan 1847 Muhlenberg Co KY f. Henry Rhoads.................................f. Christopher M Jackson m. Elizabeth Stoner.............................m. Magdalene Boggess ch: ...Nancy........(1798-..........m........John Cundiff ...Elisha.......(1800-..........m........Jane Floyd ...Samuel.......(1802-1845).....m. 1825, Nancy R Allison .......Muhlenberg Co KY ...Leroy........(1804-1884).....m. 18137, Jerusha Wright .......Delaware Co IA. ...Elizabeth....(1806-1860).....m. 1827, William H Langley .....Muhlenberg Co KY ...Martha.......(1808-1875).....m. 1833, Reuben McKinney ...Mary.........(1810-..........m........Richard Cundiff ...Esther.......(1812-c1885)....m. 1840, David Imbler ..........Lane Co OR ...Christopher..(1816-1905).....m. 1846, Martha Oglesby ........Grant Co WI ...Susannah.....(1819- ...Harvey.......(1822-1908).....m. 1856, Mary Johnston .........Delaware Co IA. RH-14 Joseph RHOADS..........m. 1770..................Elizabeth MITCHELL. b. c1745 Bedford Co PA.....................b. 1750 d. 28 Oct 1799 Muhlenberg Co KY................d. c1815 Muhlenberg Co KY f. Heinrich Roth m. Katerina ch: ...Elizabeth....(1773- ...Mary.........(1775-1843).....m. c1793, Andrew Hunsaker HR-1B .Marion Co MO. ...Jacob........(1780-1850).....m. 1804, Sarah Zimmerman ........Adams Co IL ...Henry........(1783-1874).....m. 1817, Nancy Wilson ...John.........(c1785-.........m. 1806, Elsie McQuery .................CA ...Hannah.......(1786-1854).....m. 1799, Samuel Hunsaker HR-1C ..Adams Co IL ...Daniel.......(1790-1867).....m. 1811, Barbara Cockrum ........Mercer Co MO. ...Catherine....(1792-1859).....m. 1821, Jacob Zimmerman ........Union Co IL ...Rachel.......(1794-1873).....m. 1812, Briant Cockrum .........Knox Co MO. 1773 – tax list –Brothers Valley twp Bedford Co PA pvt – Capt Paxton’s Co – with brothers; Jacob and Daniel Fayette Co PA 1796 – 600 A Logan Co KY 1848 - John – possibly led – second Donner Party Rescue RH-18 Daniel RHOADS...........1/m 10 Feb 1777.........Eva FOUST b. 5 Oct 1755 Cumberland Co PA.................b. 19 Nov 1761 d. 26 Apr 1838 Paris IL........................d. 17 Jan 1792 Nelson Co KY bur: Ogden Cemetery f. Heinrich Roth................................f. Nicholas Faust m. Katerina.....................................m. Catharine Mafhaes ........................2/m 15 March 1794.......Elizabeth NEWMAN ................................................b. 10 Mar 1773 ................................................d. 28 Feb 1855 Paris IL ................................................bur: Ogden Cemetery ................................................f. Thomas Newman ................................................m. Mary ch: ...David........(1777-1850).....m. 1824, Sarah Eaves ...........Somerset Co PA. ...Elizabeth....(1779-1855).....m. 1794, William Bush ..........Hardin Co IN ...Rachel.......(1780-1820).....m. 1797, Isaac Newman ..........Muhlenberg Co KY ...Susannah.....(1783-1854).....m. 1798, Stephen Williams ...Jacob........(1786-1857).....m. 1808, Elizabeth Ripple ......Edger Co IL ...Catherine....(1789-1838).....m........Joseph Black ..........Somerset Co PA. ...Sarah........(1789-1838).....m. 1809, John C Pierce .........Edmondson Co KY ...Hannah.......(1791-1792) ...Thomas F.....(1795-1869).....1/m 1817, Elizabeth Forster ....Minersville UT ................................2/m 1852, Mary M White ................................3/m 1853, Mary Vible Walch ................................4/m 1853, Arranette C Maale ................................5/m 1853, Eliza C Johnson ................................6/m 1854, Olive Larnden ................................7/m 1854, Wilhelmina M Peterson ................................8/m 1855, Jacobina WS Jorgenson ...Jonathan.....(1798- ...Joseph.......(1801-c1886)....m. 1820, Sarah Unsell ...Isaac........(1803-1884).....m. 1825, Mary Parker ............Clark Co IL ...John B.......(1807-..........m. 1822, Nancy Keith ...Newman.......(1811-c1895)....1/m 1833, Rachael Edwards .......Edgar Co IL ................................2/m 1842, Elizabeth Merritt ................................3/m 1849, Rachel Murphy ...George.......(1814-1897).....m. 1866, Sarah ..................So English IA Brothers Valley PA Brethren Minister? 1775 – Minute Man – sent to Boston – American Revolution .......Bunker Hill/Breeds Hill – Dorchester Heights - 1794 – Hardin Co KY c1795 – Boone’s Fort KY c1798 – Nelson Co KY c1800 – Muhlenberg Co KY+ William Bush – brother of Sarah Bush Johnston – Abraham Lincoln’s stepmother Thomas joined Mormon Church (1832) – west -1845 w/ George Donner –split to Sutter’s Mill. ....member of the Mormon Battalion - Mormon Church Treasurer –under Brigham Young ....(may be source -statement that Brethren influenced practices of Mormon Church) **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. 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    06/14/2008 03:11:39
    1. [BRE] How find DNA projects
    2. winter dellenbach

    3. Can you all give me suggestions about how one finds out if there is a DNA project going re: a specific surname? I can (and have) googled around, but either there is nothing (likely) or I am not going about this right. winter

    06/14/2008 02:42:45
    1. Re: [BRE] Ritter bio.
    2. Merle C Rummel

    3. Several comments - this family connects to the Elder Jacob Miller family (David was his youngest son) -and I have information on them at The Virginia Settlement - Four Mile Church (Union Co Library web site, Liberty IN). I had long wondered how this Jacob Ritter connected to another Jacob Ritter - who went to St Joseph Co IN in 1832. Elder Aaron Miller (wife Elizabeth Hardman) and Elder David Miller (wife Sarah Hardman) were two brothers, who married two sisters. Aaron had been to the Four Mile (Wayne Co IN/Franklin Co IN - south east corner on the Ohio State Line), then returned to his father, Montgomery Co OH. Both brothers moved to the Nettle Creek Church (Hagerstown IN Wayne Co IN - northwest corner). They became involved in the migration to the Portage Prairie Church, northwest of South Bend -went up with others, to investigate the area, then moved up a year or two later. This John Ritter family was at Nettle Creek -and now I see the connection -from its origin. [I have not done much to trace the Nettle Creek families -although my mother was raised there (orphan - raised by the Elder John Miller, of the Nettle Creek Church) - and I have always considered that Miller/Brenneman family to be cousins.] I was interested in the comment that Jacob Ritter was born 3 miles west of Dayton - since Elder Jacob Miller's property is about that distance west, on the west side of the Great Miami River - just north of the trace that runs from Dayton west to Eaton OH -west to Boston IN (where I live) then angles SW to Conner's Trading Post (now Connersville IN). It crossed the Delaware Indian Road near Brownsville IN - near the "Buffalo Ford" - the "Fiant's Ford" - over the Whitewater River [at Clifton, north of Brownsville]. Fiant's Ford is named for Daniel Fiant, a squatter there in 1802, whose wife was Susannah Gaby, youngest daughter of Elder Martin Gaby of the Oley Church in Pennsylvania. The Nettle Creek Church was on the Delaware Indian Road (about 1900 - some Indians were found walking through the Stout Farm -north edge of the Nettle Creek Church lands/cemetery - "what are you doing?" - "oh, we're following our old road!"). The trace from Dayton was Elder Jacob Miller's path from his home to those of his children here on the Four Mile (south from Boston). Elder Jacob Miller's third daughter, Eve, married first a John Ritter (6 Aug 1787). He died in Franklin Co Va in December of 1793. They had four children: Jacob (1788-1838 -married Sarah Witter), Samuel (1789-1838 -married a Margaret), Catherine (married John Moss), John (1793-1829 -married Sarah Lybrook). After John Ritter's death, Eve married Joseph Kingery (1794 -well after all -4 tiny children!). The family is identified in the Miami River Valley -south of Dayton before 1800 ("Gingrich", with John Miller, her brother - so they soon came west). They settled on the Four Mile Creek on the Ohio side of the state line by 1803. Their farm is just west of the now Huston Woods State Park -northeast of College Corner OH/IN. The family cemetery is on the creek, in the corner of their property. We have made a possible identification of the father of John Ritter as a Jacob Ritter, of Franklin Co VA -but I do not know more about them. Jacob Ritter and Samuel Ritter, children of John and Eve, moved to Portage Prairie, St Joe County, and both died in 1838. (What happened there that year?) The other two Ritter children, Catherine (who married John Moss) and John (who married Sarah Lybrook) followed Sarah's family (Henry Lybrook) to near Niles Michigan, probably about this same time. (The 7 children of Joseph Kingery and Eve all seem to have stayed in the local Four Mile area.) SO - now - do I find a reason why the Ritter children all moved north? -even though they grew up in the same home with the Kingery Children on the Four Mile? Also, it needs to be added - Jacob Witter (1791-1851 -wife Agnes Huston), son of Christopher Witter, of the Four Mile church (living directly ON the Delaware Indian Road) -went to the Portage Prairie area in 1823, with Squire Thompson (son of William Thompson and Eva Toney - living then on the Ohio side of the line). Jacob stopped in St Joe County, died there. Squire went on north on the St Joseph River, to the French Fort at Niles MI - as first settler there (made whiskey out of his corn crop -sold it to the Indians) -then moved over to Cass Co MI - where Henry Lybrook lived. [The Four Mile was a Brethren Settlement, but I do not know the religious affiliation of all the family members.] OH - Squire was a '49er, went to California by wagon train - died of Cholera at Sacramento on arrival. His sons with him prospered there (restaurant - and river steamerj - no record of them as miners!) A letter from Benjamin Miller to his brother-in-law, Senator William Miller, of South Bend, identifies Elder David Miller as a believer in Eternal Restoration (the Brethren Pietist belief that frequently became Universlism). Benjamin was a Universalist. William's father, Tobias Miller (son of Elder Jacob Miller), is identified as the first Universalist Preacher at LaPort IN. He had moved north in the large migration of 1833, following the Cholera Epidemic of 1831-32. Eternal Restoration stated that God so loved his creation that he would not leave men in Hell for eternity - but would "restore" them. Annual Meeting condemned it in the 1790s -and lost all the Brethren Churches of the Carolinas! (Elder John Hendricks, from there, moved to western Kentucky [very quickly records say], Drakes Creek, and his family moved to Cape Girardeau Co MO following his death. The Whitewater Church there went Univeralist. -many of the Limbaugh family there is of Hendricks descent -John Hendricks is probably the "John H" placed on the ban by Annual Meeting in 1796). I do recognize the name Ritter as one of the earliest families baptized at Germantown PA, in 1723, and many of the Carolina families -including Franklin County VA, were Brethren who came south from eastern Pennsylvania and Maryland - a Ritter family at Mt Eden KY - that is why I wish to know of the Ritters in Kentucky! - including Nashville TN (the end of the "Traders Path" -which went west from the Wilderness Road - there were other Brethren there -some going down from the Drakes Creek Church! [on the Traders Path]) I wonder where John Ritter lived in Kentucky? Merle C Rummel ***************** > Merle, this may help with the Ritter family. > > Elizabeth Miller's husband Jacob Ritter had made a trip on horseback > the spring of 1829 in company with other men locating land open for > settlement in the then Northwest territory. > > Jacob & Elizabeth changed from German Baptist to the Universalist Church. > Bio. from 1907, "Pictorial and Biographical Memoirs Elkhart and St. Joseph > Counties" , (IN), pgs. 187, 198. > Jacob Ritter, of South Bend, Indiana and one of the pioneers of St. Joseph > Co., is a Montgomery Co., Ohioan, born about three miles west of Dayton, on > the 1st of January, 1806, a son of John and Barbara (Garber) Ritter. John > Ritter was born in NC, April 1777, and there grew to manhood. When a young man > he learned the cooper's trade and for some time made that his chief > occupation. He afterward resided near Nashville, TN, for a short time and later was a > resident of KY. As he was married in Montgomery Co., OH in 1805, he was > probably a settler of that locality about the year 1803. At the time he crossed > the Ohio River at Cincinnati there was only a block house and a few cabins > where that city now stands, the principal inhabitants at that point being > soldiers. His wife was born in VA, a daughter of John and Barbara Garber. About > the year 1818 the Ritter family removed to Wayne Co., IN being among the > pioneers of that county, where Mr. Ritter became the owner of 160 acres of land. > Here Mr. Ritter lived for several years. He afterward disposed of his > property there and settled in St. Joseph Co., a portion of his land being in > Portage and a portion in German Twp. He afterward settled on the Michigan road in > German Twp., where he lived until his death in Feb. 1867. His wife > survived him several years, her death occurring at the home of her daughter in Floyd > Co., IA, at the advanced age of one hundred and two years. Mr. and Mrs. > Ritter were the parents of the following children: Jacob, Michael, John, > Benjamin, David, Samuel, Martin, Sarah and Susan, all of whom are living but John, > who served three years as cavalryman in the late war under Gen. Custer. > Jacob Ritter, whose name is at the head of this sketch, was about twelve > yrs. of age when his parents settled in Wayne Co., (IN), and there in his native > county he succeeded in obtaining a practical education in the common > schools, which were held in the old-time log cabin. He was reared on a farm, and > has always devoted his attention to that occupation. In Wayne Co. he united > his fortunes with those of Elizabeth Miller, Oct. 26, 1826, her birth having > occurred in Montgomery Co., OH, June 5, 1809. She being a daughter of David > and Sarah (HARDMAN) Miller, who also became pioneers of St. Joseph Co., IN. In > the spring of 1830 Mr. Ritter came to this county also, and found himself in > Portage Prairie on April 5 of that year, and located on a farm of eighty > acres in Sec. 32, which he had previously selected in the fall of 1829, at which > time he also became the owner of eighty acres of timber land. A number of > other families came at the same time and that year they all raised quite good > crops of corn. Several of these settlers combined work and in 1830 seeded > about 200 acres to corn, which Mr. Ritter says became the finest crop of sod > corn he has ever seen produced in any county. That years they also raised some > magnificent melons and turnips, but he refuses to disclose their exact size > and weight for fear people of the present day would be inclined to doubt his > veracity. He erected a log cabin on his property in German Twp., Sec. 29, in > the fall of 1831, where he lived for many years, and which he still owns. > In 1866 he retired from active labor and purchased property in South Bend, > where is now residing. He also owns 342 acres of land, and is nicely situated > to enjoy life. He and his worthy wife became the parents of fourteen > children: Lucinda (deceased), Barbara, Sarah A. (deceased), Amanda E., Martha E., > Aaron M., William H. H., David M., John N., Benjamin F., Theodore (deceased), > Lorinda and Clarinda (twins) and Elizabeth M. Of these children, Amanda E., > Martha E., William H. H. and Elizabeth M. are residents of this county; > Barbara, now wife of Joseph Hardman, is living at Prairie City, Grant Co., OR; > Aaron M. and David M. are farmers near Springfield, MO; John N. is engaged in > the practice of law and in banking at Columbus, KS; Benjamin F., a farmer > and dealer in agricultural implements, resides in Castleton, Cass Co., ND. > Lorinda, wife of Q. A. Bulla, lives near St. Edward, Boone Co., NV and Clarinda, > who married J. F. Buchtel, is living in Kansas City, MO. Two sons, William > H. H. and David, served three years during the war in the 23rd IN Battery, > under command of Capt. Andrews. Mrs. Ritter died Feb. 20, 1867, and in 1872 > Mr. Ritter took for his second wife Ellen Lentz, born Feb. 26, 1831, in PA, > daughter of Christopher and Hannah (Davis) Lentz, who were of Scot. descent. > Christopher Lentz was a soldier in the War of 1812 and for many years was a > resident of German Twp., where he lived until his death, which occurred Aug. 14, > 1838. His widow survived him until Oct. 27, 1869. Mr. Ritter is a member > of the I.O.O.F., having joined that order about the year 1850. He has always > been a great reader, and possesses a well-stored mind. He rather favors the > Universalist doctrine in his religious views, and in politics has always been > an ardent Democrat. His record as an honorable man of affairs has remained > untarnished, and as a citizen he has always been public spirited and law > abiding. > > John Ritter born 1777 in NC going from Tennessee to Kentucky to the (Dayton > Ohio area now.) About 1803 > married 1805 Barbara Garber born in Rockingham County, Virginia. > She was Brethren but John was in the war of 1812 under William Henry > Harrison so I don't think he was. > They moved to Wayne County, Indiana and then to St Joseph County, Indiana. > >

    06/14/2008 12:40:34
    1. Re: [BRE] Ritter DNA

    3. Is there a website where the RITTER DNA matches are shown? My third great grandparents are both RITTERs, both born in 1790 in Virginia, both or one of the families probably had ties back to Maryland. One of the families had ties to the Lutheran Church at Winchester. However, my second great grandfather, as well as his sister married the GOCHENOUR siblings. The GOCHENOUR family were a Mennonite family from the Back Creek area of Shenandoah County, Virginia just north of Woodstock. Chocy **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102)

    06/14/2008 12:29:45
    1. Re: [BRE] Ritter bio.
    2. Bill & Lynn Sewell

    3. I did find on RootsWeb as Samuel Ritter bd 1791 Washington Co,MD dd 1869 LaGrange Co,IN who was the father of John, Solomon,Catherine, Samuel, Levi, David, Martha,, Ann, and Mary. I could not find any information on the birth parents of Sarah Ann Ritter. Lynn Hilty Sewell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Ritter" <philr@stanford.edu> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Ritter bio. > Regarding John Ritter, his obituary noted that he was Brethren (it > probably said "Dunkard"). I can no longer find my copy of that > obituary. Does anyone have a copy that they are willing to post? > > According to the y-chromosome of a descendant, the John Ritter who > settled in St. Joseph Co., Indiana was not paternally related to my > ancestor John Ritter (who settled in Tuscarawas, Ohio) . Nor was the > St. Joseph John Ritter (who was born in North Carolina) paternally > related to the NC Jesse Ritter who has a large number of descendants > throughout the southern states (e.g. Tex Ritter). We have found no > matches to the St. Joseph John Ritter among any of the other Ritters > who have tested their y-chromosome and the origin of the NC/St. > Joseph John Ritter family remains something of a mystery. My John > Ritter has matched a descendant of Hans George Ritter, who was an > early settler of Berks Co., PA and gave money to the Brethren (i.e. > "Society of Germans, commonly called first day or Sunday Dunkers") in > his 1760 will. We're still trying to find out if Hans George Ritter > (who settled in Exeter) might be related to Daniel Ritter, who came > with Peter Becker, was at the first love feast, and settled in Oley > (adjacent to Exeter towship). > > > > At 10:44 AM 6/14/2008, you wrote: >>John Ritter born 1777 in NC going from Tennessee to Kentucky to the >>(Dayton >>Ohio area now.) About 1803 >>married 1805 Barbara Garber born in Rockingham County, Virginia. >>She was Brethren but John was in the war of 1812 under William Henry >>Harrison so I don't think he was. >>They moved to Wayne County, Indiana and then to St Joseph County, >>Indiana. >> >>This info. given to me by; Ira Hardman, _iraandhelen@juno.com_ >>(mailto:iraandhelen@juno.com) > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

    06/14/2008 10:08:55
    1. Re: [BRE] Ritter bio.
    2. Bill & Lynn Sewell

    3. I have two Ritters in my Steele index. Sarah Ann Ritter bd 01 Apr 1831 probably Ashland Co,OH dd 15 Sep 1881 married Joseph F Miller bd 11 Mar 1834 Ashland Co,OH dd 05 Jan 1927 . Both probably died in Excelsior,Hennepin,MN as all there children were born there. Joseph was the son of John B Miller bd 10 Mar 1800 Germany dd 20 Jan 1863 Walbash Co,IN and Elizabeth/Eliza Steele bd 16 Mar 1807 Bedford Co,PA dd 18 Mar 1854 Walbash Co,IN. Elizabeth was the cousin of Jacob S Steele who was a Brethren minister and bishop in Yellow Creek,PA My other Ritter is Martha Ritter bd 27 Mar 1835 Franklin Co,PA dd 03 Oct 1892 LaGrange Co, IN married to David Steele bd 08 Feb 1819 Bedford Co,PA dd 14 Feb 1908 LaGrange Co,IN. David Steele and Elizabeth were brother and sister. Lynn Hilty Sewell ----- Original Message ----- From: <Caland36@aol.com> To: <BRETHREN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 12:44 PM Subject: [BRE] Ritter bio. > Merle, this may help with the Ritter family. > > Elizabeth Miller's husband Jacob Ritter had made a trip on horseback > the spring of 1829 in company with other men locating land open for > settlement in the then Northwest territory. > > Jacob & Elizabeth changed from German Baptist to the Universalist Church. > Bio. from 1907, "Pictorial and Biographical Memoirs Elkhart and St. > Joseph > Counties" , (IN), pgs. 187, 198. > Jacob Ritter, of South Bend, Indiana and one of the pioneers of St. > Joseph > Co., is a Montgomery Co., Ohioan, born about three miles west of Dayton, > on > the 1st of January, 1806, a son of John and Barbara (Garber) Ritter. > John > Ritter was born in NC, April 1777, and there grew to manhood. When a > young man > he learned the cooper's trade and for some time made that his chief > occupation. He afterward resided near Nashville, TN, for a short time > and later was a > resident of KY. As he was married in Montgomery Co., OH in 1805, he was > probably a settler of that locality about the year 1803. At the time he > crossed > the Ohio River at Cincinnati there was only a block house and a few > cabins > where that city now stands, the principal inhabitants at that point being > soldiers. His wife was born in VA, a daughter of John and Barbara > Garber. About > the year 1818 the Ritter family removed to Wayne Co., IN being among the > pioneers of that county, where Mr. Ritter became the owner of 160 acres > of land. > Here Mr. Ritter lived for several years. He afterward disposed of his > property there and settled in St. Joseph Co., a portion of his land being > in > Portage and a portion in German Twp. He afterward settled on the > Michigan road in > German Twp., where he lived until his death in Feb. 1867. His wife > survived him several years, her death occurring at the home of her > daughter in Floyd > Co., IA, at the advanced age of one hundred and two years. Mr. and Mrs. > Ritter were the parents of the following children: Jacob, Michael, John, > Benjamin, David, Samuel, Martin, Sarah and Susan, all of whom are living > but John, > who served three years as cavalryman in the late war under Gen. Custer. > Jacob Ritter, whose name is at the head of this sketch, was about twelve > yrs. of age when his parents settled in Wayne Co., (IN), and there in his > native > county he succeeded in obtaining a practical education in the common > schools, which were held in the old-time log cabin. He was reared on a > farm, and > has always devoted his attention to that occupation. In Wayne Co. he > united > his fortunes with those of Elizabeth Miller, Oct. 26, 1826, her birth > having > occurred in Montgomery Co., OH, June 5, 1809. She being a daughter of > David > and Sarah (HARDMAN) Miller, who also became pioneers of St. Joseph Co., > IN. In > the spring of 1830 Mr. Ritter came to this county also, and found himself > in > Portage Prairie on April 5 of that year, and located on a farm of eighty > acres in Sec. 32, which he had previously selected in the fall of 1829, > at which > time he also became the owner of eighty acres of timber land. A number > of > other families came at the same time and that year they all raised quite > good > crops of corn. Several of these settlers combined work and in 1830 > seeded > about 200 acres to corn, which Mr. Ritter says became the finest crop of > sod > corn he has ever seen produced in any county. That years they also > raised some > magnificent melons and turnips, but he refuses to disclose their exact > size > and weight for fear people of the present day would be inclined to doubt > his > veracity. He erected a log cabin on his property in German Twp., Sec. > 29, in > the fall of 1831, where he lived for many years, and which he still owns. > In 1866 he retired from active labor and purchased property in South > Bend, > where is now residing. He also owns 342 acres of land, and is nicely > situated > to enjoy life. He and his worthy wife became the parents of fourteen > children: Lucinda (deceased), Barbara, Sarah A. (deceased), Amanda E., > Martha E., > Aaron M., William H. H., David M., John N., Benjamin F., Theodore > (deceased), > Lorinda and Clarinda (twins) and Elizabeth M. Of these children, Amanda > E., > Martha E., William H. H. and Elizabeth M. are residents of this county; > Barbara, now wife of Joseph Hardman, is living at Prairie City, Grant > Co., OR; > Aaron M. and David M. are farmers near Springfield, MO; John N. is > engaged in > the practice of law and in banking at Columbus, KS; Benjamin F., a > farmer > and dealer in agricultural implements, resides in Castleton, Cass Co., > ND. > Lorinda, wife of Q. A. Bulla, lives near St. Edward, Boone Co., NV and > Clarinda, > who married J. F. Buchtel, is living in Kansas City, MO. Two sons, > William > H. H. and David, served three years during the war in the 23rd IN > Battery, > under command of Capt. Andrews. Mrs. Ritter died Feb. 20, 1867, and in > 1872 > Mr. Ritter took for his second wife Ellen Lentz, born Feb. 26, 1831, in > PA, > daughter of Christopher and Hannah (Davis) Lentz, who were of Scot. > descent. > Christopher Lentz was a soldier in the War of 1812 and for many years was > a > resident of German Twp., where he lived until his death, which occurred > Aug. 14, > 1838. His widow survived him until Oct. 27, 1869. Mr. Ritter is a > member > of the I.O.O.F., having joined that order about the year 1850. He has > always > been a great reader, and possesses a well-stored mind. He rather favors > the > Universalist doctrine in his religious views, and in politics has always > been > an ardent Democrat. His record as an honorable man of affairs has > remained > untarnished, and as a citizen he has always been public spirited and law > abiding. > > John Ritter born 1777 in NC going from Tennessee to Kentucky to the > (Dayton > Ohio area now.) About 1803 > married 1805 Barbara Garber born in Rockingham County, Virginia. > She was Brethren but John was in the war of 1812 under William Henry > Harrison so I don't think he was. > They moved to Wayne County, Indiana and then to St Joseph County, > Indiana. > > This info. given to me by; Ira Hardman, _iraandhelen@juno.com_ > (mailto:iraandhelen@juno.com) > > > > > > **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best > 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102) > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    06/14/2008 09:58:13
    1. [BRE] from Kentucky to Sangamon County, Illinois
    2. L Webb

    3. Since a lot of the Kentucky Brethren moved up to Illinois, some of you might be interested in this book - Sugar Creek - Life on the Illinois Prairie by John Faragher.  It's a social history of the county  from approx. 1820 - 1880.  I found some info about my Nathanial West & confusingly, another Nathanial West.  I thought it was fairly interesting, & it's available online.  Jeanne Webb

    06/14/2008 09:10:24
    1. [BRE] Ritter bio.

    3. Merle, this may help with the Ritter family. Elizabeth Miller's husband Jacob Ritter had made a trip on horseback the spring of 1829 in company with other men locating land open for settlement in the then Northwest territory. Jacob & Elizabeth changed from German Baptist to the Universalist Church. Bio. from 1907, "Pictorial and Biographical Memoirs Elkhart and St. Joseph Counties" , (IN), pgs. 187, 198. Jacob Ritter, of South Bend, Indiana and one of the pioneers of St. Joseph Co., is a Montgomery Co., Ohioan, born about three miles west of Dayton, on the 1st of January, 1806, a son of John and Barbara (Garber) Ritter. John Ritter was born in NC, April 1777, and there grew to manhood. When a young man he learned the cooper's trade and for some time made that his chief occupation. He afterward resided near Nashville, TN, for a short time and later was a resident of KY. As he was married in Montgomery Co., OH in 1805, he was probably a settler of that locality about the year 1803. At the time he crossed the Ohio River at Cincinnati there was only a block house and a few cabins where that city now stands, the principal inhabitants at that point being soldiers. His wife was born in VA, a daughter of John and Barbara Garber. About the year 1818 the Ritter family removed to Wayne Co., IN being among the pioneers of that county, where Mr. Ritter became the owner of 160 acres of land. Here Mr. Ritter lived for several years. He afterward disposed of his property there and settled in St. Joseph Co., a portion of his land being in Portage and a portion in German Twp. He afterward settled on the Michigan road in German Twp., where he lived until his death in Feb. 1867. His wife survived him several years, her death occurring at the home of her daughter in Floyd Co., IA, at the advanced age of one hundred and two years. Mr. and Mrs. Ritter were the parents of the following children: Jacob, Michael, John, Benjamin, David, Samuel, Martin, Sarah and Susan, all of whom are living but John, who served three years as cavalryman in the late war under Gen. Custer. Jacob Ritter, whose name is at the head of this sketch, was about twelve yrs. of age when his parents settled in Wayne Co., (IN), and there in his native county he succeeded in obtaining a practical education in the common schools, which were held in the old-time log cabin. He was reared on a farm, and has always devoted his attention to that occupation. In Wayne Co. he united his fortunes with those of Elizabeth Miller, Oct. 26, 1826, her birth having occurred in Montgomery Co., OH, June 5, 1809. She being a daughter of David and Sarah (HARDMAN) Miller, who also became pioneers of St. Joseph Co., IN. In the spring of 1830 Mr. Ritter came to this county also, and found himself in Portage Prairie on April 5 of that year, and located on a farm of eighty acres in Sec. 32, which he had previously selected in the fall of 1829, at which time he also became the owner of eighty acres of timber land. A number of other families came at the same time and that year they all raised quite good crops of corn. Several of these settlers combined work and in 1830 seeded about 200 acres to corn, which Mr. Ritter says became the finest crop of sod corn he has ever seen produced in any county. That years they also raised some magnificent melons and turnips, but he refuses to disclose their exact size and weight for fear people of the present day would be inclined to doubt his veracity. He erected a log cabin on his property in German Twp., Sec. 29, in the fall of 1831, where he lived for many years, and which he still owns. In 1866 he retired from active labor and purchased property in South Bend, where is now residing. He also owns 342 acres of land, and is nicely situated to enjoy life. He and his worthy wife became the parents of fourteen children: Lucinda (deceased), Barbara, Sarah A. (deceased), Amanda E., Martha E., Aaron M., William H. H., David M., John N., Benjamin F., Theodore (deceased), Lorinda and Clarinda (twins) and Elizabeth M. Of these children, Amanda E., Martha E., William H. H. and Elizabeth M. are residents of this county; Barbara, now wife of Joseph Hardman, is living at Prairie City, Grant Co., OR; Aaron M. and David M. are farmers near Springfield, MO; John N. is engaged in the practice of law and in banking at Columbus, KS; Benjamin F., a farmer and dealer in agricultural implements, resides in Castleton, Cass Co., ND. Lorinda, wife of Q. A. Bulla, lives near St. Edward, Boone Co., NV and Clarinda, who married J. F. Buchtel, is living in Kansas City, MO. Two sons, William H. H. and David, served three years during the war in the 23rd IN Battery, under command of Capt. Andrews. Mrs. Ritter died Feb. 20, 1867, and in 1872 Mr. Ritter took for his second wife Ellen Lentz, born Feb. 26, 1831, in PA, daughter of Christopher and Hannah (Davis) Lentz, who were of Scot. descent. Christopher Lentz was a soldier in the War of 1812 and for many years was a resident of German Twp., where he lived until his death, which occurred Aug. 14, 1838. His widow survived him until Oct. 27, 1869. Mr. Ritter is a member of the I.O.O.F., having joined that order about the year 1850. He has always been a great reader, and possesses a well-stored mind. He rather favors the Universalist doctrine in his religious views, and in politics has always been an ardent Democrat. His record as an honorable man of affairs has remained untarnished, and as a citizen he has always been public spirited and law abiding. John Ritter born 1777 in NC going from Tennessee to Kentucky to the (Dayton Ohio area now.) About 1803 married 1805 Barbara Garber born in Rockingham County, Virginia. She was Brethren but John was in the war of 1812 under William Henry Harrison so I don't think he was. They moved to Wayne County, Indiana and then to St Joseph County, Indiana. This info. given to me by; Ira Hardman, _iraandhelen@juno.com_ (mailto:iraandhelen@juno.com) **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102)

    06/14/2008 07:44:04
    1. Re: [BRE] Ritter bio.
    2. Philip Ritter

    3. Regarding John Ritter, his obituary noted that he was Brethren (it probably said "Dunkard"). I can no longer find my copy of that obituary. Does anyone have a copy that they are willing to post? According to the y-chromosome of a descendant, the John Ritter who settled in St. Joseph Co., Indiana was not paternally related to my ancestor John Ritter (who settled in Tuscarawas, Ohio) . Nor was the St. Joseph John Ritter (who was born in North Carolina) paternally related to the NC Jesse Ritter who has a large number of descendants throughout the southern states (e.g. Tex Ritter). We have found no matches to the St. Joseph John Ritter among any of the other Ritters who have tested their y-chromosome and the origin of the NC/St. Joseph John Ritter family remains something of a mystery. My John Ritter has matched a descendant of Hans George Ritter, who was an early settler of Berks Co., PA and gave money to the Brethren (i.e. "Society of Germans, commonly called first day or Sunday Dunkers") in his 1760 will. We're still trying to find out if Hans George Ritter (who settled in Exeter) might be related to Daniel Ritter, who came with Peter Becker, was at the first love feast, and settled in Oley (adjacent to Exeter towship). At 10:44 AM 6/14/2008, you wrote: >John Ritter born 1777 in NC going from Tennessee to Kentucky to the (Dayton >Ohio area now.) About 1803 >married 1805 Barbara Garber born in Rockingham County, Virginia. >She was Brethren but John was in the war of 1812 under William Henry >Harrison so I don't think he was. >They moved to Wayne County, Indiana and then to St Joseph County, Indiana. > >This info. given to me by; Ira Hardman, _iraandhelen@juno.com_ >(mailto:iraandhelen@juno.com)

    06/14/2008 05:28:53
    1. [BRE] Ritters

    3. Merle, I checked censuses and found several Ritters in Shelby with large families, and one in Spencer in 1840. The census page was cropped on the left for a couple of Ritters, with no first name available. Others were George (2), Michael, and John G in Spencer only. In 1830 Conrad, John, and Michael were in SE District, Shelby. In 1820 and before several Ritter families were in Barren and Jessamine Cos. Spencer Co KY marriage records start in 1824, but Shelby was formed earlier than that. I found a Henry Ritten to Mary Taylor in 1840 in Spencer Co. I I don't have Shelby Co marriages. Sharon M -------------- Original message -------------- From: Merle C Rummel <cliff@rtkonline.com> > > > > > Have you found any evidence that the Ritter family of Mt Eden, Spencer/Shelby > Cos KY, was Brethren? > > > > > No - I had not yet caught that there were Ritters at Mt Eden - - now > I've another name to investigate - unless you can give me data on them - > > I do suspect that they would have been Brethren - > > from what one local man told me - there were a lot of connected families > there at Mt Eden -he named so many, so fast, that I did not get them all > written down (he's dead now -) > > > Merle > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

    06/13/2008 04:59:24
    1. Re: [BRE] KY families

    3. I met a Ritter from there recently. I will ask him for more details. He is doing family research in that area and may not have many details yet. Sharon M. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Merle C Rummel <cliff@rtkonline.com> > > > > > Have you found any evidence that the Ritter family of Mt Eden, Spencer/Shelby > Cos KY, was Brethren? > > > > > No - I had not yet caught that there were Ritters at Mt Eden - - now > I've another name to investigate - unless you can give me data on them - > > I do suspect that they would have been Brethren - > > from what one local man told me - there were a lot of connected families > there at Mt Eden -he named so many, so fast, that I did not get them all > written down (he's dead now -) > > > Merle > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

    06/13/2008 04:41:16
    1. [BRE] Wright et al
    2. Merle C Rummel

    3. A primary method I am using in my research of the early Brethren Churches of Kentucky, is to follow the Brethren families, as they go to Kentucky, and as members of the family leave Kentucky in the moves west. I have collected the following data on these families. I would appreciate your review of this information, and any proven corrections you can provide. Than you Merle C Rummel ********************************* WRIGHT Family WR-7 Amos WRIGHT.............1/m. 1782...............Elizabeth LOWE b. 2 Mar 1764 Rowan Co NC.......................b. 1765 Randolph Co NC d. 14 Oct 1846 Washington Co IN.................d. Feb 1806 Wayne Co KY bur: Mill Creek Cemetery f. Richard Wright m. Elizabeth Morgan? ........................2/m 15 Jan 1807.........Margaret DAVIS ................................................b. c1766 Wayne Co KY ................................................d. 1842 Washington Co IN ................................................bur: Old Mill Creek Cemetery ch: ...John.........(1785-1851).....m. 1803, Peggy Wolfescale ......Washington Co IN ...Anna.........(1787-1833).....m. 1804, Phillip Copple ........Washington Co IN ...Peter........(1789-1857).....m. 1812, Rachel Wood ...........Washington Co IN ...Levi.........(1792-..........m. 1810, Nancy Ross ...Joshua.......(1795-1863).....1/m 1815, Mary Morgan ................................2/m 1839, Mary Buchanan ........Clark Co MO ...Richard......(1799-1833)............cholera ...Rebecca......(1800-..........m. 1824, Nathaniel Buchanan ...Amos.........(1805-1880).....m. 1822, Jane Gross ............Knox Co IN c1796 – Randolph Co NC ....baptized – Tunkers - Baptist Brethren c1800 – Wayne Co KY ....preacher – Dependent Baptists 1807 – Clarks Grant, Indiana Territory 1809 – Beck’s Mills (Washington Co IN) WR-71 John WRIGHT.............1/m 5 Jan 1803..........Peggy WOLFESCALE b. 12 Dec 1785 Rowan Co NC......................b. 1780 IN d. 2 May 1851 Washington Co IN..................d. 12 Dec 1805 Wayne Co KY f. Amos Wright m. Elizabeth Lowe ........................2/m 7 May 1807..........Nancy PURLEE ................................................b. 1792 IN ................................................d. 28 Aug 1844 Washington Co IN ch: ...Elizabeth....(1803-..........m. 1825, Elias Bishop ...Jacob........(1809-1881).....1/m 1827, Sarah Sheets .........Washington Co IN ................................2/m 1833, Rachel T Denny ...Simeon.......(b/d 1812) ...Elivra.......(1813-1884).....m. 1827, Jordan Johnson ........Washington Co IN ...David........(1816-1884).....m. 1838, Elizabeth W Martin ....Washington Co IN ...Joel.........(b/d 1818) ...Ransom.......(1819-1893).....m. 1840, Sarah Shepherd ........Washington Co IN ...Phoebe.......(1822-1859).....m. 1841, Christopher Denny .....Washington Co IN ...John.........(1824-1843) ...Nancy........(1828-1832) 1797 – Powell’s Valley VA (TN) 1803 – Wayne Co KY 1807 – Clark’s Grant, Indiana Territory 1808 – immersion baptism – Ohio River –by William Summers (possibly Baptist Brethren) 1810 – Blue River (then Harrison Co – now Washington Co IN) – 5 mi below Royce’s Lick 1819 – accepted Campbellite concepts – called “Free-Will Baptists”/”New Lights” – preacher ...........all creeds are heretical/schismatical WR-72 Anna Patsy WRIGHT........m. 15 Dec 1804.........Phillip COPPLE b. 1787 Rowan Co NC........................b. c1784 Rowan Co NC d. 17 Jul 1833 Washington Co IN................d. 20 Jul 1850 Washington Co IN bur: Old Mill Creek Cemetery....................bur: Old Mill Creek f. Amos Wright m. Elizabth Lowe ch: ...Amos ...Anna ...Barbara ...Peter ...David........(c1801- ...Rebecca......(c1803-1831) ...................................Washington Co IN ...Jacob........(c1804..........m. 1827, Margaret Blalock ......Newton Co MO ...Elizabeth....(1805-1882).....m. 1823, Elijah Gaskins ........Clark Co IN ...Margaret.....(1808-1862).....m. 1829, Samuel Sutherland .....Bourbon co KS ...Nancy........(1811-..........m. 1830, William J Bare ...John.........(1821-1901).....m. 1841, Mary J Porter .........Cass Co NB ...Levi.........(1816-1896).....1/m.......Sarah Sill ................................2/m 1834, Lucinda Harmon .......Sullivan Co IN ...Phillip......(1820-..........m. 1847, Lucinda Moore .........Sullivan Co IN ...Catherine....(1823-..........m. 1849, William Sluder ...Mary.........(1821-1905).....m. 1843, William Hauger ........Sullivan Co IN ...Abraham......(1827-1892).....m. 1847, Rosannah Hauger .......Marion Co IL WR-73 Peter WRIGHT............1/m 26 Mar 1812.........Rachel WOOD b. 1789 Rowan Co NC........................b. c1782 PA d. 1857 Newton Co MO? f. Amos Wright m. Elizabth Lowe ........................2/m 27 Nov 1849.........Margaret MOORE ................................................b. 1802 MD ................................................d. 1850 Newton Co MO ch: ...Dempsey......................m. 1834, Polly Wingler ...Tilman.......(1816-..........m. 1839, Mary Newby ............Texas Co MO ...Nancy........(1818-..........m. 1841, Edmund L Julian .......Sullivan Co IN ...Betsey ...Malinda......(c1821-.........m. 1834, Roger Sutherland ......Jasper Co MO ...Rebecca......(1822-1904).....m. 1840, Adam Sears ............Lawrence Co IN ...Violet.......(1825-1872).....1/m.......John Voyles ................................2/m 1871, Abraham Cupp .........Newton Co MO ...Washington preacher WR-74 Levi WRIGHT..............m. 10 Sep 1810.........Nancy ROSS b. 1792 Rowan Co NC.......................b. 1800 MO f. Amos Wright m. Elizabth Lowe ch: ...Celia........(1818-1884).....m. 1841, Ezekial Wright.........Putnam Co IN ...Samuel ...Henry Preacher WR-75 Joshua W WRIGHT.........1/m 22 Sep 1816.........Mary MORGAN b. 1 Jan 1795 Rowan Co NC.......................b. 26 Dec 1798 Rowan Co NC d.1 Jan 1863 Clark Co MO......................d. 17 Dec 1836 Hamilton Co IN bur: Union Cemetery f. Amos Wright..................................f. Isaac Morgan m. Elizabth Lowe................................m. Susannah Fouts ........................2/m 21 Nov 1839.........Mary Ann BUCHANAN ................................................b. 22 Oct 1806 ................................................d. 23 Feb 1872 Clark Co MO ................................................bur: Union Cemetery ch: ...Anna.........(1816-1849).....m. 1833, John Essex ............Boone Co IN ...Susan........(1820-1883).....m.1845, Rufus Ash ..............Clark Co MO ...Tempy (c1822-1894)....m. 1841, Nelson W Bishop .......Scotland Co MO ...Isaac........(1824-1836) ...Amos.........(1825-1849).....m........Margaret ..............Hamilton Co IN ...Joshua.......(1827-1908).....m........Sarah J Bishop ........Clark Co MO ...Mary E.......(1829-1899).....m. 1847, Elijah Smith ..........Scotland Co MO ...Sarah........(1833-1895).....m........Alexander Adams .......Clark Co MO ...John.........(1839-1917).....m. 1861, Mary A Starr ..........Scotland Co MO ...Hugh.........(c1847-.........m........Matilda ...Nancy........(c1842- ...Eliza........(1850-c1860) ...Jeremiah.....(1852-1927).....m. 1871, Hannah Sansom .........Lee Co IA WR-77 Rebecca WRIGHT..........m. 15 Jan 1824...........Nathan BUCHANAN b. 1801 Powell’s Valley f. Amos Wright m. Elizabth Lowe ch: ...Amos.........(1827-1907) Oregon preacher ?to Missouri WR-78 Amos WRIGHT Jr...........m. 26 Sep 1822.........Jane GOSS b. 18 May 1804 Wayne Co KY......................b. 26 Nov 1804 Wayne Co KY d. 7 Feb 1880 Knox Co IN.......................d. 7 Jun 1870 f. Amos Wright m. Elizabth Lowe ch: ...Elizabeth....(b/d 1823) ...Isaac........(1824-1863) ....................................Danville KY ...Nathan.......(1827-1901).....m. 1849, Nancy Harmon ..........Washington Co IN ...Rebecca......(1830-1933) ...Levi.........(b/d 1833) ...Lavina.......(1836-1922).....m. c1856, John Houston .........Sullivan Co IN ...Amos.........(1841-1925).....m. 1867, Anne E Hulen ..........Knox Co IN Washington Co IN WR-8 Philburd WRIGHT.........1/m 15 Aug 1793.........Mary SEARS b. 29 Mar 1768 Rowan Co NC......................b. 13 Feb 1776 Rowan Co NC d. 31 Jul 1855 Washington Co IN.................d. 18 Sep 1830 Washington Co IN bur: Wright Cemetery............................bur: Wright Cemetery f. Richard Wright...............................f. Christian Sears m. Abigail Wigerly..............................m. Katherine ........................2/m 15 Nov 1832.........Elizabeth DEVAN ................................................b. 22 Feb 1792 Pittsylvania Co Va ................................................d. 26 Aug 1864 Washington Co IN ch: ...Nancy........(1794-1888).....m. c1815, Jacob Purlee .........Washington Co IN ...Eli..........(1795-1833).....m. 1819, Elizabeth Bowers ......Washington Co IN ...Evins........(1797-1895).....m. 1822, Nancy Hinds ...........Washington Co IN ...Sarah........(1799-1894).....m. 1815, Peter Zink ............Washington Co IN ...Philbert.....(1800-1850).....m. c1825, Nancy Frey ...........Greene Co IN ...Barbara......(1801-1833).....m........Ransom Johnson ........Washington Co IN ...Elizabeth....(1803-1865).....m. 1821, James Hinds ...........Edgar Co IL ...Catherine....(1806-1891).....m. 1824, Samuel Hinds ..........Washington Co IN ...Delilah......(1808-1873).....m. 1827, Emanuel Zink ..........Edgar Co IL ...Absalom......(1811-1868).....m. 1832, Sarah Beck ............Washington Co IN ...Celia........(1813-1893).....m. 1829, Adrew Ratts ...........Washington Co IN ...Mary.........(1814-1870).....m. 1836, Christopher Frantz ....Douglas Co IL ...John.........(1817-1879).....m. 1836, Sarah Souder ..........Edgar Co IL Preacher – Blue River Baptist Association

    06/13/2008 11:26:52
    1. [BRE] Wolfe et al
    2. Merle C Rummel

    3. A primary method I am using in my research of the early Brethren Churches of Kentucky, is to follow the Brethren families, as they go to Kentucky, and as members of the family leave Kentucky in the moves west. I have collected the following data on these families. I would appreciate your review of this information, and any proven corrections you can provide. Than you Merle C Rummel ********************************* WOLFE Family WF-1 George WOOLF............m. c1776.............. Catherine ?SCHROEDER b. 1750 Lancaster PA d. 8 Aug 1808 St Genevieve MO f. Jacob Woolf ch: ...Mary.........(1777-..........m........Jonas Vancil ..........Union Co IL ...Jacob........(1778-1823).....m. 1799, Barbara Hauser ........Union Co IL ...George.......(1780-1865).....m. 1803, Anna Hunsaker .........Adams Co IL ...Elizabeth....................m. c1798, Charles Dougherty ....Cape Girardeau Co MO ...Louisa.......(c1790-.........m. c1814, George Lial ..........Cape Girardeau Co MO Minister/Elder – Brethren Lancaster Co PA 1787 – George Brotherton’s Landing, Turtle Creek, Monongehela River – near Pittsburg PA ..........Wolfe and Sons – Flatboat builders 1800 – Logan Co KY – “Green River country” 1806 - Cape Girardeau Co MO –migration – Little Whitewater River WF-11 Mary WOLF...............m. 1798.................Jonas VANCIL b. 1778 PA..............................b. 1 Oct 1775 Somerset Co PA d. Nov 1867 Union Co IL.......................d. Sep 1856 Jackson Co IL f. George Wolfe.................................f. Jonathan Wensel m. Catherine Schroeder..........................m. Mary Penrod ch: ...Isaac........(1800-1872).....m. c1823, Elizabeth Finney ....Jackson Co IL ...Catherine....(1801-c1850)....1/m 1818, Allen Crowell ................................2/m 1843, Reubin Grubb .........Union Co IL ...Benjamin.....(1804-1883).....m. 1827, Katherine Landrith ....Union Co IL ...George.......(1805-1876).....m. c1823, Elizabeth Casey ......Jackson Co IL ...John.........(1808-c1850)....m. 1829, Mary Corgan ...........Jackson Co IL ...Josephus.....(1812-1878).....m. 1831, Susan Snyder ..........Perry Co IL ...Samuel.......(1813-..........m........Lucinda Lamar .........Union Co IL ...Daniel.......(c1814-.........m. 1831, Louise Fike ...Mary.........(1816-..........m. 1835, Daniel T Coleman ...Aaron........(c1819 South of Green River KY 1806 – Union Co IL Isaac – intelligent, witty – played tricks/twisted truth – “Lying Ike” –hung by KKK Dunker – became Mormon Minister WF-12 Jacob WOLFE.............m. 4 Mar 1799...........Barbara HAUSER b. 19 Sept 1778 Lancaster Co PA................b. c1781 Fredericksburg MD d. 7 Oct 1823 Jonesboro IL bur: Kimmel Cemetery f. George Wolfe m. Catherine Schroeder ch: (5 ch) ...George.......(1809-1887).....m. 1831, Rua Faggart............San Joaquin Co CA 1803 to Union Co IL – with brother, George Jr and Abram Hunsaker WF-13 George WOLFE............m. 3 Mar 1803...........Anna HUNSAKER HR-16 b. 25 Apr 1780 Lancaster Co PA..................b. 19 Apr 1781 Cumberland Co PA d. 16 Nov 1865 Adams Co IL......................d. 29 Dec 1841 Adams Co IL bur: Kimmons Cemetery f. George Wolfe..................................f. Jacob Hunsaker m. Catherine ?Schroeder..........................m. Catherine Huffman ch: ...Mary.........(1804-1877).....m. 1832, Elijah Eberte .........Adams Co IL ...Jacob........(1807-1841).....m........Mary Luce Audrain Co MO ...twins........(1809 -d/inf) ...John.........(1811-1904).....m. 1841, Amanda Wheeler .........Adams Co IL ...David........(1813-1879).....m. 1843, Pamella McKnight .......Adams Co IL ...Barbara......(1815-1888).....m. 1836, John McClintock ........Hancock Co IL ...Samuel.......(1821-1827)......................burns Brethren Elder – Far Western Brethren 1803 – Union Co IL –with brother, Jacob and Abram Hunsaker -3/4ths mile SE of Jonesboro IL 1811-12 – New Madrid Earthquake – brought Bible Study group – Baptism –Elder John Hendricks 1820 – member of Committee on Muhlenberg Co Churches prominent debates against slavery – held state of Illinois to “free” 1831 – Adams Co IL – Mill Creek Church 1859 – leader in “Far Western Brethren” agreement with Annual Meeting Committee WF-15 Margaret WOLFE.............m....................John WIGLE b. 9 Mar 1785 Lancaster Co PA..................b. 15 Feb 1780 York Co PA d. 17 Apr 1836 Adams Co IL......................d. 10 Mar 1849 Adams Co IL f. George Wolfe.................................f. Jacob Weigle m. Catherine ?Schroeder.........................m. Catherine Heifner ................................................2/w – 1836 -Margaret Cleeland ch: ...Catherine....(1802-1880).....m. 1820, John Lesley ...........Mitchell Co KS ...George W.....(1805-1871).....m........Susan Clingingsmith ...Vancouver WA ...Jacob W......(1807-1892).....m. 1824, Nancy Hunsaker ........Douglas Co WA ...John W.......(1809-1858).....m........Catherine Hunsaker ?HR-1C .Linn Co OR ...Peter W......(1812-1894).....1/m 1836, Melinda Lawler .......Adams Co IL ................................2/m 1837, Nancy Scott ..........Mitchell Co KS ...David W......(1814-1895).....m. 1837, Almira Akers ..........Trenton MO ...Solomon......(1816-1879).....m. 1838, Nancy Potter .........Adams Co IL ...Anna.........(1818-1879).....m.........John Broady ..........Adams Co IL ...Benjamin.....(1821-1891).....1/m 1841, Margaret Daugherty ...Adams Co IL ................................2/m 1863, Mary Jones ...........Wet Point IA ...Frances......(1831-1912).....m.........William Hart .........Hancock Co IL Middle name of each son is “Wolfe” 1805 – Cape Girardeau Co IL 1827 – Easter Sunday – to Adams Co IL Operated first grain mill in Liberty Brethren - “inclined toward Universalism” Read Bible- in German Peter – Brethren Minister 1852 – to Oregon –sons George, Jacob, John WF-16 Catherine WOLFE.......m.1806....................Michael LIMBAUGH b. 29 Nov 1788 PA..............................b. 10 Nov 1783 d. 8 Apr 1879 Liberty IL.......................d. 29 Jul 1867 Adams Co IL bur: Broady Wigle Cemetery......................bur: Nations Cemetery f. George Wolfe.................................f. George Frederick Limbaugh Sr m. Catherine ?Schroeder.........................m. Anna Catherine Ritter ch: ...Francis......(1807-1847).....m. 1825, John Hunsaker HR-C1 ..Adams Co IL ...Elizabeth....(1809-1889).....1/m c1830, John H.H. Dayton ................................2/m 1849, John M Roe ...........Adams Co IL 1787 – 11 Dec – Limbaugh family moved to NC 1800 – Jan 1 – Geo Fred Limbaugh – to Territory –with youngest son Michael 1806 – to Cape Girardeau Co Mo - married Michael Limbaugh 1810 – to Union Co IL 1829 – to Adams Co IL Primitive Christian – baptized Brethren – c1810

    06/13/2008 11:26:38
    1. [BRE] Welty et al
    2. Merle C Rummel

    3. A primary method I am using in my research of the early Brethren Churches of Kentucky, is to follow the Brethren families, as they go to Kentucky, and as members of the family leave Kentucky in the moves west. I have collected the following data on these families. I would appreciate your review of this information, and any proven corrections you can provide. Than you Merle C Rummel ********************************* WELTY Family WL-1 Abraham WELDY...........1/m.....................Maria Magdalena GOCHENAUER b. c1732 Lancaster Co PA....................b. 1733, York Co PA d. 17 Jul 1787 Rowan Co NC.....................d. after 1773 f. Peter Welty..................................f. Jacob Gochenauer m. Catharina....................................m. Anna Hunsaker ........................2/m.....................Mary ................................................b. Oct 1737 ................................................d. 30 Jul 1826 Nicholas Co KY ................................................bur: Carter Cemetery ch: ...Franey.......(1754-1830).....m........John Hendricks HK-1 ..Pike Co IL ...Peter........(1760-c1825)....m........Elizabeth .............Simpson Co KY ...Fanny........(1764-..........m........John Hendricks ...Jacob........(c1768-c1825)...m........Rachel ................Cape Girardeau Co MO ...David........(c1774-c1839)...m. 1796, Mary Brown ............Highland Co OH ...John.........(c1776-c1835)...m. 1800, Elizabeth Hostetter ...Pike Co MO ...Abraham......(c1780-1842)....m. 1802, Mary Roland ...........Lincoln Co MO ...Elizabeth....(1784-1870).....m........Joseph Moler Jr MO-12 .Nicholas Co KY Mannheim Twp, York Co PA 1763 – Frederick Co MD – 113 A fro Gaspar Roland – sold 1770 to Abraham Roland 1773 – Dutchman’s Creek Rowan Co NC WL-12 Peter WELTY.............m........................Elizabeth b. c1760 York Co PA d. c1825 Simpson Co KY f. Abraham Weldy m. Maria M Gochenauer ch: ...Daniel.......(1785-1848).....m. 1807, Mary Hendricks HK-13 ..Cape Girardeau Co MO ...Elizabeth....................m. 1806, Meshech Finn ..........Simpson Co KY ...Abraham......(c1786-1848)....m. 1807, Sarah Hendricks .......Cape Girardeau Co MO ...Mary.........(c1789-.........m. 1806, Jacob Absher ...John.........(c1793-c1865)...2/m 1839, Elizabeth (Davis) McMahan .Cape Girardeau ...Nancy........(1805-1860) .....................................Simpson Co KY ...William......(1806-1884).....m. .......Elizabeth Chapman .....Simpson Co KY 1787 - Fayette Co KY tax list 1795 – Clark Co KY tax list 1801 – Drakes Creek settlement, Warren Co KY (after 1819, Simpson Co) WL-121 Daniel WELTY............m. 1 Oct 1807...........Mary HENDRICKS HK-13 b. 6 Oct 1785...................................b. 26 Sep 1790 Rowan Co NC d. 22 Feb 1848 Apple Creek twp..................d. 30 Apr 1857 Cape Girardeau Co MO ................................................bur: Miller’s Cemetery f. Peter Welty..................................f. John Hendricks m. Elizabeth....................................m. Franey Welty ch: ...John.........(1808-c1851)....m. 1834, Susannah Caldwell .....Cape Girardeau Co MO ...Hosea........(c1810-1848)....m. 1836, Lavinia Link ..........Cape Girardeau Co MO ...Mahala.......(1813-..........m. 1837, Solomon Whittenburg ...Cape Girardeau Co MO ...Daniel.......(1816-1890).....m. 1840, Hannah L Burgett ......Cedar Co MO ...Levi.........(1817-1901).....m.1842, Marilda AC Baker .......Cape Girardeau Co MO ...Frances......(1821-..........m. 1840, Henry Hill ............Cape Girardeau Co MO ...Henry F......(1823-..........1/m 1844, Elizabeth Peyton ................................2/m 1845, Elizabeth Justice ....Stoddard Co MO ...Wiley........(c1825-.........m........Aralle ................Cape Girardeau Co MO ...Stephen......(c1825- ...Elizabeth....(c1829- ...Aaron........(c1830-.........m. 1857, Eliza Barnett .........Adams Co IL ...Nancy........(1833-1905).....m. 1852, Aaron Link ............Cape Girardeau Co MO ...William......(b/d 1836) WL-122 Elizabeth WELTY.........m. 10 Mar 1806.........Meshach FINN b. 1785 PA................................b. 1792 NC d. 28 May 1855 Simpson Co KY...................d. c1820 Simpson Co KY f. Peter Welty..................................f. Peter Finn m. Elizabeth....................................m. Mary Wheeler ch: ...Alfred.......(c1807- ...Daniel.......(1809-1875).....m. c1835, Martha O’Dell ........Simpson Co KY ...Peter........(1811-1882).....m. 1836, Lucy Orvis ............Simpson Co (murdered) ...Abraham......(1813-..........m. 1842, Rebecca Meyers ........Salem IL ...John W.......(1814-1888).....1/m.......Solendy Hendricks ................................2/m.......Polly Hutcheson ......Simpson Co KY ...Nancy........(1816-1904).....m. 1839, Jacob Spears ..........Simpson Co KY ...Sarah........(1818-..........m........Jamieson W Orvis ...Abe W........(1819-1900).....m........Elizabeth Buchanan ....Simpson Co KY ...William WL-123 Abraham WELTY...........m. 5 Feb 1807...........Sarah Jane HENDRICKS HK19 b. c1786...................................b. c1786 Rowan Co NC d. 8 aug 1848 Cape Girardeau Co MO f. Peter Welty..................................f. John Hendricks m. Elizabeth....................................m. Jane ch: ...Nancy........(1811-1884).....nm .............................Cape Girardeau Co MO ...Elizabeth....(c1811-.........m. 1832, Jacob Sides ...........Cape Girardeau Co MO ...John.........(1816-..........m. 1850, Mrs Elizabeth J Vastine .Cape Girardeau Co MO ...Barbara......................m. 1839, David Dodson ...Alley........(c1823-.........m. 1849, Blewford Swor ...Peter........(c1825-.........m. 1850, Jane W Duncan ..........Cape Girardeau Co MO ...Miles A......(c1825-1899)....m. 1849, Elizabeth Fenwick ......Perry Co MO WL-125 John WELTY..............1/m 6 Feb 1821..........Frances FRITZ b. c1793 Bourbon Co KY d. c1865 Carbondale IL f. Peter Welty m. Elizabeth ........................2/m 13 Jun 1839.........Elizabeth DAVIS McMAHAN ................................................b. c1813 KY ................................................d. c1855 ................................................f. William Davis ................................................m. Elizabeth Carter ch: ...Catherine....(c1815-.........m. 1849, Jacob Schults..........Cape Girardeau Co MO ...Elizabeth....(c1817-c1855)...m. 1840, John B Hinkle..........Cape Girardeau Co MO ...Mary.........(c1824-c1885)...m.1845, Thomas Robbins..........Cape Girardeau Co MO ...John.........(1826-1863)...............................Memphis TN (Civil War) ...Eliza........(1830-1916).....1/m 1846, Thomas F Buchanan ................................2/m 1855, Josiah Dent...........Lawrence Co ARK ...Ann M........(c1834- ...Sarah J......(c1840- ...William N....(c1842-c1870)...m.1870, Rebecca A Forkurm.......Williamson Co IL ...Francis M....(c1845-1873)....m. 1866, Mary F O’Daniel........Carbondale IL ...Martha.......(c1848-c1852) ...Peter L......(1851-..........1/m 1872, Martha A Greathouse (div) ................................2/m......Laura A................Lincoln Co OK ...Nancy........(c1853-.........m. 1870, James C Robinson.......Bourbon Co KY 1826 – Cape Girardeau Co MO 1856 – Williamson Co IL WL-127 William WELTY...........m.......................Elizabeth CHAPMAN b. 1806....................................b. 1820 d. 1884 Simpson Co KY......................d. 1892 Simpson Co KY f. Peter Welty m. Elizabeth ch: ...Martha.......(1845-1909) ...Helen........(1847-1883) ...Mary F.......(1849-1905) ...Sophronia....(1857-1941).....m................Wakefield .....Simpson Co Ky ...Susan........(1857-1859) ...William H....(1859-1893).....m..........Mary J Finn .........Simpson Co KY WL-13 Jacob WELTY.............m......................Rachel b. c1768 d. c1828 Cape Girardeau Co MO f. Abraham Weldy m. Maria M Gochenauer ch: ...Abraham S....(c1790-c1840)........................Crawford Co ARK Rowan Co NC 1790 – Bourbon Co KY 1794 – Warren Co KY (Simpson Co) 1807 – Cape Girardeau Co MO ?c1825 – Randolph Co ARK WL-14 David WELTY.............1/m 22 Nov 1796.........Mary BROWN b. c1772 Clark Co KY......................b. c1775 Clark Co OH d. c1839 Highland Co OH ................................................bur: Carter Cemetery f. Abraham Welty................................f. Daniel Brown m. Maria M Gochenauer ........................2/m -before 1811.......Elizabeth ch: ...Daniel.......(1797-..........m. 1818, Dorothy Countryman CN-1A .Carroll Co IN ...David........(1800-1872).....m. 1821, Sarah Chaplin .........Pike Co IL ...Abraham......(1801-1875).....1/m 1822, Nancy Landes .........Highland Co OH ................................2/m 1832, Elizabeth (Patchel) Stafford (divorced 1854) ................................3/m 1857, Garlinda J Jordan ....Richland Co IL ...Catherine....(1806-1889).....1/m 1833, John B Faris ................................2/m 1839, Mathias Gibler .......Highland Co OH ...Mary.........(1808-1867).....m. 1828, Jonas Shaffer .........Highland Co OH ...Elizabeth....(1810-..........m. 1828, Solomon Snider ...Anna.........(1814-..........m. 1838, Joseph Garver ...............?ND ...Jacob........(c1815-1860)....m. 1836, Mary Chaplin ..........Schuyler Co IL ...Sarah........(1816-..........m. 1835, Daniel Garver/Garber ...Nancy........(1826-..........m. 1842, Andrew Ruble ..........Pike Co IL ...Rebecca......(c1827-.........1/m 1846, Thompson A Faris ................................2/m 1865, James Dak ............Highland Co OH ...Eve..........................m. 1849, Christopher S Brewer 1795 – Bourbon Co KY tax list 1799 – Drakes Creek, Warren Co KY tax list c1807 – Bourbon Co KY 1811 – Highland Co OH, Salem Twp, Brush Creek Church WL-15 John WELTY..............m. 4 Dec 1800...........Elizabeth HOSTETTER b. c1776...................................b. 15 Sep 1779 Baltimore MD d. 19 Aug 1829 Pike Co MO......................d. 16 Nov 1860 Pike Co MO ................................................bur: Hostetter Cemetery f. Abraham Weldy................................f. Frances Hostetter m. Maria M Gochenauer...........................m Frances Schutz ch: ...George.......(.....-1831)....m........Elizabeth Layne .........Pike Co MO WL-17 Abraham WELTY...........m. 3 May 1802...........Mary ROLAND RL-19 b. c1780...................................b. c1787 NC d. 1842 Lincoln Co MO f. Abraham Weldy................................f. Joseph Roland m. Maria M Gochenauer...........................m. Catherine ch: ...Elizabeth....(1803-1888).....m. 1818, Samuel Howell .........Lincoln Co MO ...Fanny........(1805-1841).....m. 1822, Thomas East ...........Lincoln Co MO ...Abraham......(c1807-.........m........Mary Newcomer ...Mahala.......(1810-1898).....m. 1827, David Preslely ........Linn Co OR ...Catherina....(1812-1893).....m. 1831, Young Howell ..........Lincoln Co MO ...Rosanna......(1818-1887).....m. 1838, Charles Early .........Lincoln Co MO ...Rachel.......(c1820-.........m. 1840, Joseph C Hunter ...Mary.........(c1822-1892)....1/m 1839, John H Trail .........Lincoln Co MO ................................2/m.......William Smith Sr ...Zilla........(c1824-.........m.........Moses Bond ...Elisha.......(c1826- ...Joseph.......(c1828-1836) Simpson Co KY c1825 – Lincoln Co MO

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    1. [BRE] Stutzman et al
    2. Merle C Rummel

    3. A primary method I am using in my research of the early Brethren Churches of Kentucky, is to follow the Brethren families, as they go to Kentucky, and as members of the family leave Kentucky in the moves west. I have collected the following data on these families. I would appreciate your review of this information, and any proven corrections you can provide. Than you Merle C Rummel ********************************* STUTZMAN Family ST-1 Jacob STOTTSMAN.........m. 1753.................Barbara FOUTS b. 1727 Germany...............................b. c1735 Lancaster Co PA d. 1813 Clark Co IN...........................d. Daviess Co IN ................................................f. Michael Pfoutz, Elder ................................................m. Catherine Neff ch: ...Anna.........(1754-..........m. 1774, Philip Harmon .........Daviess Co IN ...Jacob........(1756-c1832)....m. c1795, Mary Berkey ..........Dubois Co IN ...Elizabeth....(1758-c1840)....m. c1775, Jacob Hoover .........Boone Co IN ...Barbara......(1759-c1832)....m. c1777, Christian Sears SR-11 .Oldham Co KY ...John.........(1761-c1804)....m. c1786, Mary E Sears SR-12 ..Clark Co IN ...Daniel.......(1763-c1843)....1/m c1795, Mary E Kern KN-15 ................................2/m c1805, Lydia ...............Van Buren Co IA ...Magdalene....(1765-1824).....m. c1793, Thomas Hutchinson ....Clark Co IN ...Samuel.......(1767-c1842)....m. c1795, Sarah Berkey .........Clark Co IN ...David........(1769-c1837)....m. c1795, Susannah Berkey ......Clark Co IN ...Hannah.......(1771-c1838)....m. c1793, John Sheets ..........Bloomington IN ...Sarah........(1774-c1845)....m.........Andrew Sheets ........Washington Co IN ...Mary.........(1774-1824) ...Joseph.......(c1775-c1802)...m. c1794, Rachael J Karn .......Clark Co IN 1753 – Chester Co PA c1759 – Frederick Co MD – Pipe Creek Church c1764 – Rowan Co NC - Uwharrie Church c1770 – Guilford Co NC Letter to Elder Michael Pfoutz, Pipe Creek Church – brother-in-law ....Opened 1790s action of Annual Meeting – on Carolina Universalism ....“John H” – put on ban (?Elder John Hendricks) c1790 – Oldham Co KY - ?Peewee Valley 1802 – Clark Co IN, near Clarksville – 2000 acres - 2 mi SW of Olive Branch Cemetery ST-16 Daniel STUTZMAN.........1/m 4 Nov 1800..........Mary Elizabeth KERN KN-15 b. c1765 Rowan Co NC (Uwharrie R).............b. c1776 Rowan Co NC d. c1842 Van Buren Co IA......................d. c1807 ?Clarke Co IN f. Jacob Stutzman...............................f. Conrad Kern m. Barbara Fouts................................m. Mary Billings ........................2/m 19 Jun 1826.........Lydia A COLLINS ................................................b. c1788 PA ................................................2/h 1843, Benjamin Jeffers ch: ...Joel ...Nancy ...Elias ...Mary M ...Mary ...Joseph ...Elizabeth ...Sarah ...William ...Alfred ...Anna Olive Branch Church, Clark Co IN 1839 – to Van Buren Co IA 1843, Apr – estate settled ST-1D Joseph STUTZMAN.........m. c1794................Rachael Jane KARN b. c1775 Guilford Co NC........... ........b. 1776 Mecklenburg Co NC d. c1802 Clark Co IN.............. ........d.............Franklin Co ARK f. Jacob Stutzman...............................f. Conrad Kerns m. Barbara Fouts................................m. Mary Billings ch:.............................................2/h c1803 John Covert ...Daniel.......(c1795-1844).....m. 1817, Catherine Allhands ...Franklin Co AK

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