David, message from Emmert. I noted your efforts at researching the Kitzmiller family. At the risk of giving you information you already know and have, I will mention that the Kitzmiller family, or part of it, migrated from Lancaster County into what is now West Virginia, formerly Virginia, very early, perhaps as early as the 1790s. Many Brethren and Mennonites migrated because of the pressures and antagonisms engendered during the Rev. War, because the Anabaptists would not fight for freedom from England. The Kitzmillers became members of the Brick Church of the Brethren, then when Locust Grove and Allegheny churches became independent of Brick Church (Greenland Cong.), they belonged there. The area today is near Bismark and Mt. 'Storm W. Va. I personally know members of the Kitzmiller family there. Emmert Bittinger

Bill, Thanks for the information. Your information illustrates another frustrating aspect to this situation. It would seem that the Kitzmillers were fairly substantial people, ergo they should have had estate records. Yet I have found very little in the way of estate records for them. I wonder if they did have estate records and the records were missed by the indexing system. This happened with one of my ancestors in Northumberland Co., PA. I was informed by the office of the County Clerk that they didn't have any estate records for my ancestor but that didn't seem right to me. I ordered a film from the LDS library that had county land records for the relevant period and found that he did own land that was sold after his death on the order of the Orphans' Court. This indicated to me that he must have had estate records and, when I informed the County Clerk of this, they were able to locate them. So I may have to do the same thing here, order land records for Lancaster Co., PA and see if I can find land sales after the deaths of the Kitzmillers that I am researching. David Myers On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 13:41:49 -0400 "William Thomas" <wbtst2@atlanticbb.net> writes: > A Jacob Kitzmiller had a survey for land in what is now Annville > Township, > Lebanon County, and near his lived Hans Adam Schneider. Then there > are a > Jacob & John Kitzmiller that had land surveys in Early Township, and > a John > Kitzmiller Jr. that had a survey in Cocalico Township. There was a > Leonard > Kitzmiller that was on the Frederick County, MD non-enroller's list, > who > owned land very near the Beaver Dam Congregation, and sold property > to > Samuel Garber all in the 1770's. > > Bill Thomas ____________________________________________________________ Smart Girls Secret Weapon Read Unbiased Beauty Product Reviews, Get Helpful Tips, Tricks and Sam http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/JKFkuJi7VaI1BY36EcyQs5G0ebwFMlbcVm3ft1xFNBW5TW0xjIKhuw/

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Merle and all. I have been going through what Merle has written on this list and some copies from several books I made back in 2002 in hopes of proving or at least finding some evidence of the parentage of George Donner, Sr. I think all I have done is further confuse myself! >From what I had copied I am beginning to not believe the Jacob in MD. is the father of George, Sr. and his brother Jacob, Jr. Jacob who was the son of Michael moved to MD. about 1762 having been born in York County, Pa. about 1762 He MD. Elizabeth Boechtel, however he was still in MD. in 1799 and died a few years later. The Jacob in Rowan with 2 sons, George and Jacob, Jr. was in Rowan before and during the Rev. There was another Michael Danner who arrived Philadelphia in Sept. 1741 This Michael had a brother Dieter (Dietrich). Tieter died in 1768 and was a blacksmith and had the following children: Margaret, Mary, David, Catherine, Jacob, Susannah & Esther. In the Records of the Moravians in North Carolina I find the following references: October 14, 1764: Dieter Dannner, son-in-law of old Mother Hauser, arrived from Manacasy in MD. to visit here and in Bethania and look for land. Next day he bought the 400 acres of his brother-in-law, Michael Hauser for 80 lbs. It is a good farm. Feb. 26, 1772: George Hauser came in his wagon from Bethania, bringing the Archive close made by Bullitscheck; here he took on most of Br. and Sr. Reuter's baggage and furniture, taking them to Salem. Br. Reuter left day before yesterday, already, as this week he is to survey 800 acres on the Ens, near Peter Pfaff, for Schutz and Tanner, two Baptists from the Huwaren. Feb. 17, 1778 Jacob Tanner arrived with one wagon, which had a load of goods for our store. His second wagon had an accident on the way, as it was fording a stream, for a mill-dam above the ford broke, and the water rushed down upon the wagon and team. The teamster cut his horses loose and came out with the, but the wagon remained in the water for 24 hours before it could be taken out, and about 20 bushels of salt, which was in barrels, was all melted. I wish I had known when I made the copies to check on the Hauser's - live and learn! Connie, maybe we are related! Jo Ann in Houston. **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

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How nice to receive a reply Bill. And you rightly mentioned the Schantz family, founder of Johnstown. To be precise my ancestor Abe was the one who drew up the deed for Joseph to purchase the acreage. I have all the info needed from the date of 1776 when he married Anna Schantz. What I lack is any data that can show Abe's birth parents and any siblings. I also have the info on one Johannes Hildebrand of Ephrata and the founding of the Brethren movement from Schwartznau, Germany. This Johannes (John) was well know at the Ephrata Cloister and from those records it is known that a daughter of his married Valentine Mack (son of Alexander Mack). In one translated German document is also said that Johanne ALSO had 5 sons, none of them were named. It's those 5 sons who COULD be a father to my Abraham. Are their any scholars who can supply those sons names? Thank you I have my family on Rootsweb under the title World Connect Family Trees, on database by keyword: FROM COLONIAL PIONEERS **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

> I believe they were the old German Baptist Brethren. I have not traced them > back far enough to know where in Germany they came from for certain. Jo Ann > in Houston > > be aware, that this was 30-40 years before we adopted the name: German Baptist Brethren (1830) - back then, an accepted name was "Baptist Brethren" or "Fraternity of Brethren". This was 80 years before the Brethren split and the Old German Baptist Brethren Church was started. Merle C Rummel

Found this on my John Tanner in Kentucky Boone's Creek Baptist Church (Marker Number: 1773) County: Fayette Location: KY 1973 [Cleveland Rd.], Athens Description: Organized November 1785, by Elders John Taylor and John Tanner with 18 original members. Church part of Elkhorn Assn.; in 1823 joined Boone's Creek Assn. Sunday School organized ca. 1866. Present church is on same land as the first log church of 1785. Prominent among the founders were Daniel Boone's brother Samuel with wife Sarah. Presented by Boone's Creek Baptist Church. Tanner's Station 1789 (Marker Number: 999) County: Boone Location: Petersburg, Elem. Schoolyard, KY 20 Description: First settlement in Boone County. The Rev. John Tanner built blockhouse, and town began on 2,000 acres he and John Taylor owned. Shawnees captured Tanner's 9-year-old son here, held him until grown. An ardent Baptist, Tanner preached in Carolinas, Virginia; came to Kentucky in 1781; moved to Missouri, 1798; died there, 1812, age about 80. Town was named Petersburg, 1818. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Merle C Rummel" <cliff@rtkonline.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Donner/Danner/Tanner > >> I believe they were the old German Baptist Brethren. I have not traced >> them >> back far enough to know where in Germany they came from for certain. Jo >> Ann >> in Houston >> >> > > be aware, that this was 30-40 years before we adopted the name: German > Baptist Brethren (1830) - back then, an accepted name was "Baptist > Brethren" or "Fraternity of Brethren". This was 80 years before the > Brethren split and the Old German Baptist Brethren Church was started. > > Merle C Rummel > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1510 - Release Date: 6/19/2008 > 3:21 PM > >

I believe they were the old German Baptist Brethren. I have not traced them back far enough to know where in Germany they came from for certain. Jo Ann in Houston **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

The furtherest back Tanner I have was born in England. As of date I have not found then connected to the German lines or to German Baptist. I am sure I have not done digging as far as I should . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Carpenter" <rcarpenter2@charter.net> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Donner/Danner/Tanner > Was he regular Baptist or German Baptist? Was this surname German? > > Robert Carpenter > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sandra Long" <sanjlong@tds.net> > To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 11:34 PM > Subject: Re: [BRE] Donner/Danner/Tanner > > >> Rev John Tanner born abt 1732 in Chesterfield Virginia and died in 1812 >> in >> Cape Giardeau Missour was my GGGgrandfather.. This is some info on him: >> His >> son was John Tanner who was captured by the Indians. >> >> was Baptist minister and a close associate of James Rucker. >> born in Va, before 1760 moved to NC, went to KY about 1780 >> lived in Madison, Woodford, Boone, Shelby, and Caldwell Counties in KY >> had wills in Missouri and in KY >> >> >> John Tanner was a Baptist preacher in Virginia, at a time when the law >> was >> that no ministers except those of the Church of England werepermitted to >> preach or teach publicly or privately. He was jailed atleast twice for >> preaching without a license. A monument was erected onthe site of the >> jail >> in 1925 to commemorate John Tanner and 5 otherjailed preachers. That >> monument is still there! John Tanner was alsoshot in the leg by a man who >> was irate that the Reverend had baptized hiswife. There is some confusion >> about the order and number of John'swives. Wife one may have been Dorcas >> or >> Susannah; his second wife (whosigned deeds as his wife until 1791) was >> Rachel Cain. He wed SallyRucker in July, 1792. The Rev. John Tanner died >> in >> 1812, Cape Girardeau,Missouri, after surviving the massive earthquake and >> moving away from theruins of the town. >> Book written about John Tanner: "The Family of Rev. John >> Tanner--BaptistPreacher" by Marguerite Hussey (now deceased) >> Also mentioned in Sudie Rucker Woods' book and mentioned in a history >> onbaptist ministers. >> Also mentioned in the Lyman Draper papers at University of Wisconsin. >> 1770-jailed with 6 other men for preaching (William Webber, >> JosephAnthony, >> Augustin Eastin, John Weatherford, Jeremiah Walker, & DavidTinsley) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Merle C Rummel" <cliff@rtkonline.com> >> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 8:03 PM >> Subject: Re: [BRE] Donner/Danner/Tanner >> >> >>> >>>> I have researched the family for a number of years as I am a >>>> Donner descendant. I think I can be of help to you and am asking you >>>> for >>>> help >>>> with your information that George Donner Sr. was born in York County, >>>> Pa. >>>> and >>>> that he was a grandson of Michael and a son of Jacob and Elizabeth >>>> Boechtel. >>>> I have never been able to prove the parentage of George Sr. although I >>>> always suspected he was a brother to Samuel. I am familiar with this >>>> Jacob and >>>> Elizabeth from my research, but had not made the connection. Do you >>>> have some >>>> proof of his parentage or is this a theory because of the Brethren >>>> connection? >>> >>> I'm not much help - although my wife is a descendant of Michael Danner >>> (dau Anna, married Stephen Petri), and I pastored the Beaver Dam Church, >>> in Frederick Co MD -where Elder Jacob Danner came (well, Israel Creek, >>> but that was really the origin of Beaver Dam - and the Monocacy Road). >>> As such, I have been very interested in the Danner family. I admit, I >>> had not really connected the Donner Party to the Danner family. >>> >>> I do not have proof on what I presented. Like you, I made the >>> connection between George and Samuel in Muhlenberg Co (I didn't know >>> George was in Rowan -was Samuel there also?) Information that I have >>> indicates that Elder Jacob Danner had sons George and Samuel, and >>> neither stayed in Maryland. Beaver Dam was a major center for migration >>> south, to the Carolinas (which became a source for migration to >>> Kentucky) and Virginia. I had closer proof connecting Samuel to Jacob, >>> so I tied the two together there in Muhlenberg Co KY. In searching on >>> them (on the internet, esp), I found several sources who did tie the two >>> together, and gave George as a son of Jacob, so I presented it that way. >>> >>> So, they came to Jessamine Co KY. The Brethren who I found that went >>> there came from the Antietam area of Maryland (other side of the Blue >>> Ridge Mountains). As I understand, it was a direct migration from >>> Maryland. I had not seen Carolina people there, now I'll have to look >>> further in their history. >>> >>> Now - as to the Tanners - >>> The German could be pronounce either Danner - Donner - or Tanner. >>> (Grandpa tried to get me to learn Pennsylvania Dutch, I didn't! - I >>> think he was disappointed.) >>> >>> The preacher, John Tanner, who came to Tate's Creek, near Boones Station >>> and was a preacher there with George Boone - I have not made a direct >>> connection of him with our Danner family. There were a couple Johns - >>> he could possibly be a Danner (did Michael Danner have a brother, >>> John?). I added him, because of the Brethren connection at the Tate's >>> Creek Church. I was hoping someone might help me with him. The stories >>> connected to him, could easily have been one of the frontier Brethren. >>> >>> I don't want to publish a book with incorrect information - that's >>> partially why I made the intro statement - I haven't proved these >>> families. >>> >>> Merle C Rummel >>> >>> ------------------------ >>> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >>> ------------------------ >>> Support Our Sponsoring Agency >>> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) >>> For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com >>> ------------------------ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG. >>> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.0/1506 - Release Date: >>> 6/17/2008 >>> 4:30 PM >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------ >> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> ------------------------ >> Support Our Sponsoring Agency >> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) >> For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com >> ------------------------ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.0/1508 - Release Date: 6/18/2008 > 9:08 PM >

Thank you, Bill.? I must apologize.? For some reason a bunch of question marks (??) show up in the email message I sent as it shows up in the Digest.? However, I didn't type?the question marks in the original message.? That may have made my questions somewhat confusing. I didn't realize that Andrew, Daniel, John and John son of John were on the non-enrollers list.? However, George, son of Daniel, actually did serve.?According to his pension file he?was in the battles of White Plains, Trenton and Monmouth.??He has been recognized by the DAR. Cheryl S. Message: 2 Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:28:58 -0400 From: "William Thomas" <wbtst2@atlanticbb.net> Subject: Re: [BRE] ARNOLD DRUSHEL/TRUSHEL To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000601c8d218$d1257480$6401a8c0@thomas01> Content-Type: text/plain;?? charset="us-ascii" The 1776 Frederick County, MD non-enrollers list (those who refused to be part of the militia), includes Andrew Arnold, Daniel Arnold, John Arnold, and John Arnold son of John.? The non-enroller list (called non-associator lists in PA) trumps militia lists, which would have included names of those eligible for duty.? Many make the false assumption that being on a militia lists meant that you served in the militia.? Even those who showed up for muster, didn't necessarily serve in a unit that saw any military action.? Militia typically fought in local battles, and the war was a long way off from Western Maryland. Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of wsiebrass@aol.com Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 1:46 AM To: BRETHREN@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRE] ARNOLD DRUSHEL/TRUSHEL I'm hoping that Emmert or another experienced researcher?is willing to?answer a couple questions from someone?starting?research on the Arnold family. 1) I'm a descendant of Daniel (son of John George) Arnold's son, George Arnold, who served in the Revolutionary War.? I've read the relevant sections of "Allegheny Passage" by Emmert Bittinger.??In "Allegheny Passage" Emmert sites the wills of John Arnold and Andrew Arnold (brothers of Daniel).??He indicates that their father, John George, died intestate, but he sites John George's wife, Anna Maria Barth's will.? I couldn't find any mention of the wills of Daniel (who married Agnes Stoner) or Samuel (who married Elizabeth Lehn).? Does anyone have first hand knowledge of whether Daniel and Samuel wrote wills, and if so, when and where they were filed?? ?(Just looking to save some time - since so many others have already researched these lines.) 2) According to the family history my aunt gave me, the above George Arnold's first wife was named Catherine Leatherman.? I know that both the Arnold and Leatherman families were Dunker/Brethren, and these families intermarried a lot.? However, I've checked "Allegheny Passage" and "All the Leatherman Kin", but I've never found any documentation of which Leatherman family George Arnold's wife Catherine came from. ?In fact, I've never found any solid evidence that George Arnold's first wife's name actually was Catherine Leatherman. Does anyone know if there is any actual evidence that George's wife's maiden name was Leatherman, and if so, how this particular Catherine Leatherman connects into the Leatherman families? 3) Finally, the above George Arnold's son Jacob married Catherine Drushel, daughter of John Drushel (a.k.a. Johannes Trushel) and Katherine Mowry.? The Drushel/Trushel surname isn't mentioned in Allegheny Passage, or in any of the Brethren references I've come across thus far. ?Does anyone know if the Drushel/Trushel family were Brethren? A huge thank you in advance to anyone willing to provide their insights!

Was he regular Baptist or German Baptist? Was this surname German? Robert Carpenter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Long" <sanjlong@tds.net> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Donner/Danner/Tanner > Rev John Tanner born abt 1732 in Chesterfield Virginia and died in 1812 in > Cape Giardeau Missour was my GGGgrandfather.. This is some info on him: > His > son was John Tanner who was captured by the Indians. > > was Baptist minister and a close associate of James Rucker. > born in Va, before 1760 moved to NC, went to KY about 1780 > lived in Madison, Woodford, Boone, Shelby, and Caldwell Counties in KY > had wills in Missouri and in KY > > > John Tanner was a Baptist preacher in Virginia, at a time when the law was > that no ministers except those of the Church of England werepermitted to > preach or teach publicly or privately. He was jailed atleast twice for > preaching without a license. A monument was erected onthe site of the jail > in 1925 to commemorate John Tanner and 5 otherjailed preachers. That > monument is still there! John Tanner was alsoshot in the leg by a man who > was irate that the Reverend had baptized hiswife. There is some confusion > about the order and number of John'swives. Wife one may have been Dorcas > or > Susannah; his second wife (whosigned deeds as his wife until 1791) was > Rachel Cain. He wed SallyRucker in July, 1792. The Rev. John Tanner died > in > 1812, Cape Girardeau,Missouri, after surviving the massive earthquake and > moving away from theruins of the town. > Book written about John Tanner: "The Family of Rev. John > Tanner--BaptistPreacher" by Marguerite Hussey (now deceased) > Also mentioned in Sudie Rucker Woods' book and mentioned in a history > onbaptist ministers. > Also mentioned in the Lyman Draper papers at University of Wisconsin. > 1770-jailed with 6 other men for preaching (William Webber, JosephAnthony, > Augustin Eastin, John Weatherford, Jeremiah Walker, & DavidTinsley) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Merle C Rummel" <cliff@rtkonline.com> > To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 8:03 PM > Subject: Re: [BRE] Donner/Danner/Tanner > > >> >>> I have researched the family for a number of years as I am a >>> Donner descendant. I think I can be of help to you and am asking you >>> for >>> help >>> with your information that George Donner Sr. was born in York County, >>> Pa. >>> and >>> that he was a grandson of Michael and a son of Jacob and Elizabeth >>> Boechtel. >>> I have never been able to prove the parentage of George Sr. although I >>> always suspected he was a brother to Samuel. I am familiar with this >>> Jacob and >>> Elizabeth from my research, but had not made the connection. Do you >>> have some >>> proof of his parentage or is this a theory because of the Brethren >>> connection? >> >> I'm not much help - although my wife is a descendant of Michael Danner >> (dau Anna, married Stephen Petri), and I pastored the Beaver Dam Church, >> in Frederick Co MD -where Elder Jacob Danner came (well, Israel Creek, >> but that was really the origin of Beaver Dam - and the Monocacy Road). >> As such, I have been very interested in the Danner family. I admit, I >> had not really connected the Donner Party to the Danner family. >> >> I do not have proof on what I presented. Like you, I made the >> connection between George and Samuel in Muhlenberg Co (I didn't know >> George was in Rowan -was Samuel there also?) Information that I have >> indicates that Elder Jacob Danner had sons George and Samuel, and >> neither stayed in Maryland. Beaver Dam was a major center for migration >> south, to the Carolinas (which became a source for migration to >> Kentucky) and Virginia. I had closer proof connecting Samuel to Jacob, >> so I tied the two together there in Muhlenberg Co KY. In searching on >> them (on the internet, esp), I found several sources who did tie the two >> together, and gave George as a son of Jacob, so I presented it that way. >> >> So, they came to Jessamine Co KY. The Brethren who I found that went >> there came from the Antietam area of Maryland (other side of the Blue >> Ridge Mountains). As I understand, it was a direct migration from >> Maryland. I had not seen Carolina people there, now I'll have to look >> further in their history. >> >> Now - as to the Tanners - >> The German could be pronounce either Danner - Donner - or Tanner. >> (Grandpa tried to get me to learn Pennsylvania Dutch, I didn't! - I >> think he was disappointed.) >> >> The preacher, John Tanner, who came to Tate's Creek, near Boones Station >> and was a preacher there with George Boone - I have not made a direct >> connection of him with our Danner family. There were a couple Johns - >> he could possibly be a Danner (did Michael Danner have a brother, >> John?). I added him, because of the Brethren connection at the Tate's >> Creek Church. I was hoping someone might help me with him. The stories >> connected to him, could easily have been one of the frontier Brethren. >> >> I don't want to publish a book with incorrect information - that's >> partially why I made the intro statement - I haven't proved these >> families. >> >> Merle C Rummel >> >> ------------------------ >> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> ------------------------ >> Support Our Sponsoring Agency >> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) >> For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com >> ------------------------ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.0/1506 - Release Date: 6/17/2008 >> 4:30 PM >> >> > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

A famous Schantz of Somerset County is Joseph Schantz, who was Amish. He is known more by his English pronounced name. Joseph Johns, the founder of Johnstown, PA. Joseph's family is in Amish & Amish Mennonite Genealogy. Many Amish became Dunkard's, so Joseph may be a starting point. Joseph was a neighbor of a number of Dunkard's when he lived in Brothersvalley Township, prior to coming north to the Johnstown area. Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of OhioWeaver@aol.com Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 10:30 AM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRE] Trying to find the parents of this fellow Abraham Hildebrand b. 1748, was a Dunkard (Brethren), married Anna Schantz Feb. 14, 1776, St James Church, Lancaster, Pa. Had 13 children. Was appointed an Associate Judge in Western Pa. by 1801 (Somerset Co.) Pa. Looking for his siblings and parents in Eastern Pa. **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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In a message dated 6/18/2008 10:35:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sanjlong@tds.net writes: Rev John Tanner born abt 1732 in Chesterfield Virginia and died in 1812 in Cape Giardeau Missour was my GGGgrandfather.. This is some info on him: His son was John Tanner who was captured by the Indians. was Baptist minister and a close associate of James Rucker. born in Va, before 1760 moved to NC, went to KY about 1780 lived in Madison, Woodford, Boone, Shelby, and Caldwell Counties in KY had wills in Missouri and in KY John Tanner was a Baptist preacher in Virginia, at a time when the law was that no ministers except those of the Church of England werepermitted to preach or teach publicly or privately. He was jailed atleast twice for preaching without a license. A monument was erected onthe site of the jail in 1925 to commemorate John Tanner and 5 otherjailed preachers. That monument is still there! John Tanner was alsoshot in the leg by a man who was irate that the Reverend had baptized hiswife. There is some confusion about the order and number of John'swives. Wife one may have been Dorcas or Susannah; his second wife (whosigned deeds as his wife until 1791) was Rachel Cain. He wed SallyRucker in July, 1792. The Rev. John Tanner died in 1812, Cape Girardeau,Missouri, after surviving the massive earthquake and moving away from theruins of the town. Book written about John Tanner: "The Family of Rev. John Tanner--BaptistPreacher" by Marguerite Hussey (now deceased) Also mentioned in Sudie Rucker Woods' book and mentioned in a history onbaptist ministers. Also mentioned in the Lyman Draper papers at University of Wisconsin. 1770 Do the books you mention above give any references to John Tanner's ancestry? I have the book The Falcon by John Tanner, which is A Narrative of the Captivity and Adventures of John Tanner - the John who was captured by the Indians. It is a very interesting little paperback book which I purchased from Amazon. Sorry but I don't recall the price but it was inexpensive. Jo Ann in Houston **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

In a message dated 6/18/2008 10:35:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sanjlong@tds.net writes: Rev John Tanner born abt 1732 in Chesterfield Virginia and died in 1812 in Cape Giardeau Missour was my GGGgrandfather.. This is some info on him: His son was John Tanner who was captured by the Indians. was Baptist minister and a close associate of James Rucker. born in Va, before 1760 moved to NC, went to KY about 1780 lived in Madison, Woodford, Boone, Shelby, and Caldwell Counties in KY had wills in Missouri and in KY John Tanner was a Baptist preacher in Virginia, at a time when the law was that no ministers except those of the Church of England werepermitted to preach or teach publicly or privately. He was jailed atleast twice for preaching without a license. A monument was erected onthe site of the jail in 1925 to commemorate John Tanner and 5 otherjailed preachers. That monument is still there! John Tanner was alsoshot in the leg by a man who was irate that the Reverend had baptized hiswife. There is some confusion about the order and number of John'swives. Wife one may have been Dorcas or Susannah; his second wife (whosigned deeds as his wife until 1791) was Rachel Cain. He wed SallyRucker in July, 1792. The Rev. John Tanner died in 1812, Cape Girardeau,Missouri, after surviving the massive earthquake and moving away from theruins of the town. Book written about John Tanner: "The Family of Rev. John Tanner--BaptistPreacher" by Marguerite Hussey (now deceased) Also mentioned in Sudie Rucker Woods' book and mentioned in a history onbaptist ministers. Also mentioned in the Lyman Draper papers at University of Wisconsin. 1770 **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

Abraham Hildebrand b. 1748, was a Dunkard (Brethren), married Anna Schantz Feb. 14, 1776, St James Church, Lancaster, Pa. Had 13 children. Was appointed an Associate Judge in Western Pa. by 1801 (Somerset Co.) Pa. Looking for his siblings and parents in Eastern Pa. **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

The 1776 Frederick County, MD non-enrollers list (those who refused to be part of the militia), includes Andrew Arnold, Daniel Arnold, John Arnold, and John Arnold son of John. The non-enroller list (called non-associator lists in PA) trumps militia lists, which would have included names of those eligible for duty. Many make the false assumption that being on a militia lists meant that you served in the militia. Even those who showed up for muster, didn't necessarily serve in a unit that saw any military action. Militia typically fought in local battles, and the war was a long way off from Western Maryland. Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of wsiebrass@aol.com Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 1:46 AM To: BRETHREN@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRE] ARNOLD DRUSHEL/TRUSHEL I'm hoping that Emmert or another experienced researcher?is willing to?answer a couple questions from someone?starting?research on the Arnold family. 1) I'm a descendant?of?Daniel (son of John George) Arnold's son, George Arnold, who served in the Revolutionary War.??I've read the relevant sections of?"Allegheny Passage" by Emmert Bittinger.? In?"Allegheny Passage"?Emmert sites the wills of John Arnold and Andrew Arnold (brothers of Daniel).? He indicates that their father, John George, died intestate, but he sites John George's wife, Anna Maria Barth's?will.? I couldn't find any?mention iof the wills of Daniel (who married Agnes Stoner) or Samuel (who married Elizabeth Lehn).? Does anyone have first hand knowledge of whether Daniel and Samuel wrote wills, and if so, when and where they were filed?? (Just looking to save some time - since so many others have already researched these lines.)? 2) According to the family history my aunt gave me,?the above George Arnold's first wife was named Catherine Leatherman.??I know that both the Arnold and Leatherman families were Dunker/Brethren, and these families intermarried a lot.? However, I've checked?"Allegheny Passage" and "All the Leatherman Kin", but I've never found any documentation of which Leatherman family George Arnold's wife Catherine came from.? In fact, I've never found any solid?evidence that George Arnold's first wife's?name actually was Catherine Leatherman.? Does anyone know if there is any actual?evidence that?George's wife's?maiden name was Leatherman, and if so, how this particular Catherine Leatherman connects into the Leatherman families? 3) Finally, the above George Arnold's son Jacob married Catherine Drushel, daughter of John Drushel (a.k.a. Johannes Trushel) and Katherine Mowry.??The Drushel/Trushel surname isn't mentioned in Allegheny Passage, or in any of the Brethren references I've come across thus far.? Does anyone know if the Drushel/Trushel family were Brethren? ? A huge thank you in advance to anyone willing to provide their insights! ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

David, It is not only the Schneider family that makes the Ranck connection. The descendants of the Ranck family also think that Susanna Margretha Ranck was married to Christian Schneider, and, furthermore, that they were passengers on the Ship Allen. Of course, you and I know from the Surhuisterveen marriage records and from the listing and order of the Mack "Brethren" on the Ship Allen that this Susanna Schneider was a Mack, not a Ranck. My take on the Ranck-Schneider families' hypothesis about Susanna Schneider on the Ship Allen being a Ranck is that it is a contrivance and can be ignored because of the Surhuisterveen and Ship Allen Brethren evidence to the contrary. What cannot be ignored, however, is the Pennsylvania evidence that there was a Christian and Susanna Margretha Schneider who lived in Earl Township, Lancaster County, and that this Susanna may have been a Ranck. I think that it is necessary to assume, without evidence to the contrary, that there was (shudder) more than one Christian and Susanna Schneider family living in Pennsylvania at the time. Good luck sorting them out. Dwayne Wrightsman ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Myers" <myerswd@juno.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Family of George Conrad Mack,chr. 1674 (preliminary analysis) > Dwayne, > > Your question addresses one of the frustrating aspects of this. It would > seem likely that the Christian Schneider who died in eastern Lancaster > Co., PA in 1793 would be the husband of the Susanna Macking who was > married in Surhuisterveen in 1725. The biography of the Schneider family > in Biographical Annals of Lancaster County [PA] has Christian's wife as > Susanna Margretha, which is exactly the same name as the daughter of > George Conrad Mack. However, there isn't a surname for her in the bio > and the descendants of that family think that her name was Susanna > Margretha Ranck. I don't know where this came from and I'm afraid that > it's going to be difficult to find out. There are birth dates and > baptism dates for most of the children in that family but I haven't been > able to track down the original source for those. The family supposedly > attended Zeltenreich Reformed Church in New Holland but the baptism > records for that church didn't start until the mid-1740's. What makes > things even more difficult is that there is a large Ranck family in > eastern Lancaster Co., PA so it's plausible that Christian's wife might > belong to that family. > > I hope I can get this straightened out because I'm so close to doing that > that I can taste it. Even better for our purposes, the bio says that > Christian travelled to Weber-Thal to settle there because friends of his, > the Webers, already were settled there. The bio says that the Webers > were Swiss Mennonites and I believe that other listers have said that > there often is a close relationship between the Brethren and the > Mennonites in this country, just as there was in Holland in the 1720-1729 > period. So I don't know what I'm going to do but I feel that there must > be an answer here, if I can just figure out what it is. > > David Myers > > > > On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 08:41:31 -0400 "Dwayne Wrightsman" > <dwayne55@comcast.net> writes: >> David, >> >> Great digging on the extended Mack family! Also a very good start >> to >> uncovering what I have called the "Schneider-Kitzmiller-Mack Nexus." >> Now >> the marriage between old Kitzmiller and Anna Margaret Mackin makes >> perfect >> sense since she was an "old" widow. I had presumed that she was a >> sister to >> all the other Mack women on the Ship Allen rather than their widowed >> mother. >> Thanks for this new (to me) information. >> >> Do you know whether or not the Christian Schneider (who married >> Susanna >> Mack) was the same Christian Schneider who lived in Earl Township >> near the >> Kitzmillers and their Mack wives? I think that William Thomas (of >> this >> list) may have addressed this issue in one of his posts or at least >> he may >> have some good clues about it. If you have already told the >> Pennsylvania >> story of Christian and Susanna [Mack] Schneider, would you please >> tell it >> once more. >> >> Dwayne Wrightsman