Which Wright are you talking about here? I'm a descendant of Philbert Wright who located in Washington County, Indiana. Joyce Wright led a breakaway group, claiming the majority was the not the real churchgroup. Those UBs kicked him out and he kicked all of them out. Wright sued in court to get the printing company and other assets, but was rejected up by the Federal Court of Appeals in 1899. He settled for adding (Old Constitution) to the name of his group. And of course after the larger group gave up the name UB, the smaller group removed the term "Old constitution".

Dear Merle, Christopher Guice (variously spelled) is on page 576 of the Brethren Encyclopedia Vol I (1983). According to the article he arrived in America in 1740 and Michael Frantz baptized him at Conestoga Church. In 1750 he was involved in the exommunication of Joseph Müller at Conestoga. By 1754 he was purchasing land on Killians Creek in present Lincoln County, NC. The article further states that by 1772 he moved to the Holston settlements and was active as a Brethren minister in Virginia. In 1784 the state of NC awarded him, son Christopher Jr. and son Jonathan land for their noncombatant services in defense of the Cumberland River settlements (later Davidson Co., TN). My research confirms the Brethren Encyclopedia information. He had left NC by 1772. Apparently there was some controversy at the Killian Settlement Meeting House around this time. The three parties deeded their land back to each other at this time. Some Brethren also left the area at this time. I believe that he and Christopher Gist are two different people. Sometime ago this issue was discussed on the mail list and it seemed that someone provided documentation that they were clearly different people. John Scott Davenport in his writings indicates that Philip Earhard also left NC in 1772 and went to the Antietam congregation in Maryland. He notes that as both Brethren ministers left, Lemuel Saunders arrived. He describes Lemuel Saunders as a Brethren enigma. He also describes the split in the Killians Meeting House union church arrangement. My research indicates that this meeting house continued to exist into the 1800's. We may never know or understand all these circumstances. My research suggest strongly that Lemuel Saunders was more regular Baptist than Brethren. He served many regular Baptist congregations west of the Catawba River. Robert Carpenter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Merle C Rummel" <cliff@rtkonline.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [BRE] Carolina Churches > Thanks much - > > This is a start on what needs to be done on these known Brethren in the > Carolinas. I will save this in my files, with some of the previous > information on these churches and families. I am using them to assist > in the Kentucky Migration - but this is a lead on those Brethren > families who remained in the Carolinas. I still want to know more about > the Crane Creek Church (just found a Brethren Casper Miller, who lived > at Salisbury, his son Adam moved to Washington Co IN, 1824). > > Roger Sappington presented what he could find out on the Carolina > churches in his History of the Brethren in North Carolina. This is the > next step, because there is more information like this out there. I'm > finding in Kentucky that the main way to learn of these churches which > have disappeared, is to trace the families. And that is what we are > doing in our family genealogies. That is what I've been doing with > these Kentucky families -where they came from. > > I've told myself I'm taking a break on the work on the Kentucky Book > (some of these "new" families need more research), maybe I'll pull > together a start on these Carolina churches (my daughter is not going to > be happy). > > I do have another interest here, included in your answer. Who is this > Christopher Guise? There is a major frontiersman of western > Pennsylvania, Christopher Gist. This Christopher Gist had a > "plantation" near Uniontown PA. He led General Braddock's army toward > Fort Duquesne (1755). He was an early explorer into Ohio. He moved > south, presumably to Georgia. He signed the petition from Fort > Redstone, with the Brethren of Brothers Valley and Washington Co PA. I > picked up a copy of his "Journals", at Fort Necessity last summer (and > haven't ready it yet). Is there a connection of these two men? or are > they the same man? Was Christopher Gist Brethren? > > The Brethren Encyclopedia was written what 30 years ago. I know I wrote > on what I knew then, and some of that has since proven to be incorrect. > I'm finding the same true about what others wrote. And there is a lot > more The 4th Volume was to correct these, but I admit, I didn't send > anything more in, partially because I'm still finding out new things. > But it is like Jeff Bach just reminded me - at some point, we have to > present what we know now. > > Merle C Rummel > >> >> There were three Brethren churches west of the Catawba River. The >> earliest >> church, Killians Meeting House, later became regular Baptist and was >> located >> in eastern Lincoln County. It began in the middle 1750's with >> Christopher >> Guise (variously spelled) and Abraham Earhard as ministers. Mountain >> View >> Baptist has an older cemetery which is the remnants of Lebanon Lutheran >> Church. Lebanon was a later Lutheran church of Killians Meeting House. >> Evidence suggests that Killians Meeting House was originally a union >> church >> of Lutheran, Reformed, and Brethren. Rev. Lemuel Saunders, apparently a >> regular Baptist, came to minister to the remains of the Brethren at >> Killians >> Meeting House after the American Revolution. Many Brethren moved away >> just >> before, during and after the Revolution. Some were Tories and Neutrals >> and >> some just moved. >> >> Two other Brethren churches located in western Lincoln and western >> Catawba >> County were both named Thessalonica. Their ministers were Henry Rhodes >> and >> Lorentz Linhardt. I believe that members of the Thessalonica located in >> present western Lincoln County joined Mt. Zion Baptist Church near >> present >> Cherryville in present Gaston County. Many of the Catawba County members >> of >> Thessalonica, the Millers and Bakers, moved to Cape Girardeau Missouri >> where >> Peter Baker established a Brethren congregation around 1800, the >> Whitewater >> congregation. They intermingled with the Rowan and Uwarrhi (spelling) >> Hendricks. The Catawba County Thessalonica Church also became regular >> Baptist Church. >> >> The two Thessalonica Brethren churches were served by Henry Rhodes and >> Lorentz Linhardt. Both died in early 1830's and apparently no other >> Brethren ministers served these congregations. Members apparently then >> joined regular Baptist churches. >> >> More research needs to be done on these churches. I have seen no >> evidence >> that the Brethren Church even recognizes Linhardt and Rhodes as >> ministers. >> I have primary documentation that they were Dunker/Tunker ministers. >> >> I am not at all certain about the Rowan and Stanley County, NC churches. >> >> Hope this helps, >> > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks much - This is a start on what needs to be done on these known Brethren in the Carolinas. I will save this in my files, with some of the previous information on these churches and families. I am using them to assist in the Kentucky Migration - but this is a lead on those Brethren families who remained in the Carolinas. I still want to know more about the Crane Creek Church (just found a Brethren Casper Miller, who lived at Salisbury, his son Adam moved to Washington Co IN, 1824). Roger Sappington presented what he could find out on the Carolina churches in his History of the Brethren in North Carolina. This is the next step, because there is more information like this out there. I'm finding in Kentucky that the main way to learn of these churches which have disappeared, is to trace the families. And that is what we are doing in our family genealogies. That is what I've been doing with these Kentucky families -where they came from. I've told myself I'm taking a break on the work on the Kentucky Book (some of these "new" families need more research), maybe I'll pull together a start on these Carolina churches (my daughter is not going to be happy). I do have another interest here, included in your answer. Who is this Christopher Guise? There is a major frontiersman of western Pennsylvania, Christopher Gist. This Christopher Gist had a "plantation" near Uniontown PA. He led General Braddock's army toward Fort Duquesne (1755). He was an early explorer into Ohio. He moved south, presumably to Georgia. He signed the petition from Fort Redstone, with the Brethren of Brothers Valley and Washington Co PA. I picked up a copy of his "Journals", at Fort Necessity last summer (and haven't ready it yet). Is there a connection of these two men? or are they the same man? Was Christopher Gist Brethren? The Brethren Encyclopedia was written what 30 years ago. I know I wrote on what I knew then, and some of that has since proven to be incorrect. I'm finding the same true about what others wrote. And there is a lot more The 4th Volume was to correct these, but I admit, I didn't send anything more in, partially because I'm still finding out new things. But it is like Jeff Bach just reminded me - at some point, we have to present what we know now. Merle C Rummel > > There were three Brethren churches west of the Catawba River. The earliest > church, Killians Meeting House, later became regular Baptist and was located > in eastern Lincoln County. It began in the middle 1750's with Christopher > Guise (variously spelled) and Abraham Earhard as ministers. Mountain View > Baptist has an older cemetery which is the remnants of Lebanon Lutheran > Church. Lebanon was a later Lutheran church of Killians Meeting House. > Evidence suggests that Killians Meeting House was originally a union church > of Lutheran, Reformed, and Brethren. Rev. Lemuel Saunders, apparently a > regular Baptist, came to minister to the remains of the Brethren at Killians > Meeting House after the American Revolution. Many Brethren moved away just > before, during and after the Revolution. Some were Tories and Neutrals and > some just moved. > > Two other Brethren churches located in western Lincoln and western Catawba > County were both named Thessalonica. Their ministers were Henry Rhodes and > Lorentz Linhardt. I believe that members of the Thessalonica located in > present western Lincoln County joined Mt. Zion Baptist Church near present > Cherryville in present Gaston County. Many of the Catawba County members of > Thessalonica, the Millers and Bakers, moved to Cape Girardeau Missouri where > Peter Baker established a Brethren congregation around 1800, the Whitewater > congregation. They intermingled with the Rowan and Uwarrhi (spelling) > Hendricks. The Catawba County Thessalonica Church also became regular > Baptist Church. > > The two Thessalonica Brethren churches were served by Henry Rhodes and > Lorentz Linhardt. Both died in early 1830's and apparently no other > Brethren ministers served these congregations. Members apparently then > joined regular Baptist churches. > > More research needs to be done on these churches. I have seen no evidence > that the Brethren Church even recognizes Linhardt and Rhodes as ministers. > I have primary documentation that they were Dunker/Tunker ministers. > > I am not at all certain about the Rowan and Stanley County, NC churches. > > Hope this helps, >

Merle mentions Casper Miller and his son Adam. I am descended from a John Miller family of Washington District, NC, later Carter Co. Tennessee. John and his many sons were combatants in the Revolution. Members of Sevier's 'over the hill' contingent. They are reported as blacksmiths at the 'shelving rock' on Little Doe River, at Crab Orchard. This family was out of Pennsylvania. This family returned to Crab Orchard when hostilities ceased, but by 1820 were Regular Baptists (AKA Primitive Baptists) and split between Kentucky and Indiana. George Miller, a son of John took his family to Indiana, and by 1820 most were in Montgomery county. The Sugar Creek Congregation of Regular Baptists was theirs. Before 1834 the congregation was ready to branch out, and settlements in Mercer County, Illinois were available. The Millers and several other related families were the first to settle in Millersburg, in Mercer County, forming the Edwards River Congregation. "EDWARDS RIVER The first record of The Regular Baptist Church of Jesus Christ, of Edwards River, is the minutes of a meeting of the members, held at the house of George Miller, on Edwards River, July 21, 1838, of which meeting Jeremiah Swofford was chosen moderator, and Abraham Miller Jr., clerk. This meeting was held within the present limits of Perryton township. Meetings were held in the private houses of members until a meeting held in the house of Gabriel M. Barkley, in Farlow's Grove (now in Preemption township), December 22, 1838, the next regular meeting was appointed at the school house in Sugar Grove (now Perryton township). March 23, 1839, they voted to appeal to Henderson Church for letters of dismission and help to constitute them into a separate church. Their prayer was granted, and the Edwards River church was constituted June 29, 1839, by Elders Joseph Jones, Charles Vandeveer, and Hiram Bowman. The members at the constitution were: Joseph and Rebecca Jones; George, Mary Ann, and Julia Ann Miller; Abraham Miller, Jr.; John and Sarah Farlow; Roswell and Mehitable Stanard; Youngs Green; Michael Donahoo; Gabriel M. and Hannah R. Barkley; Mary Miller; and Susannah Shelley. Gabriel M. Barkley was chosen first deacon of the church, and Abraham Miller Jr., first clerk. Elder Joseph Jones was the first moderator and pastor. The records of New Hope Church for May 1839 show that a request was received from the brethren of the arm of Henderson Church, delivered by brethren Joseph Jones and John Farlow, and agreed to send brethren the Saturday before the fifth Sunday in June, Charles Vandeveer, Peter Butler, John Riggs, and James Kelsey. The Edwards River Church united with and remained a member of the Spoon River Association during its existence. The first delegation from this church was Joseph Jones, Gabriel M. Barkley, George Miller, John Farlow, and Abraham Miller Jr., who were appointed to sit in council with and constitute a church at William Denison's. It was agreed at this time (1839) to hold meetings one-half the time at Sugar Grove and one-half the time at Farlow's Grove. The last regular meeting of this church was held October 9, 1847, when, "after consultation and due deliberation being had the church and council thought it expedient to letter each other out and so become dissolved, inasmuch as the members are moving away out of the bounds of this church." Most of these members shortly thereafter removed to Oregon territory. source: http://www.carthage.lib.il.us/community/churches/primbap/FamHist- Mercer.html (History of Mercer County, E. H. Hill & Co., Publishers, Chicago, Illinois, 1882) Page 306" The area of Edwards River was built up and by 1847 the Congregation was being dissolved, and the membership moved, via the Coon-Miller wagon train, to Linn County, Oregon, whereas they joined the Little Bethel Church of Regular Predestinarian Baptists, which was under Rev. Joseph Warren Turnage, of Clay County, Missouri, the town was once again known as Millersburg, being established on the land of George Miller, who donated a portion of his land for the Little Bethel Church and Cemetery, and is currently a part of Albany, Oregon. Abraham Miller, Jr. a son of George Miller, married the widow of Rev. Turnage, Elizabeth Crowley Dagley, and took over the Congregation. His previous wife, Julia Ann Morgan, of Pennsylvania, died shortly after arriving in Oregon. The last of the Millers to leave Illinois and move to Oregon was Isaac Newton Miller, a brother of George Miller. He departed in 1851. The people who had bought the land from the Edwards River Congregational, were apparently very happy to see the "strange" people go. SOURCE: Early Memories, Written by Irene Clark Davis for her sister, Ada E. Brown "Now it is the spring of 1848 and Father moved to Sugar Grove. So does Uncle Gibbs and Uncle Gabriel. At the Grove we find seven Miller families. Father bought of a man by the name of Crull. Uncle Gibbs bought Mr. Griswald's farm. Uncle Gabriel rented a place. Uncle Ransom soon came to be followed by Lewis and Ware Long. The neighborhood entirely changed in the space of two years. Not a Miller left. Four Miller brothers had come to the Grove from some western part of the state, many years before. Some of them had planted fruit trees that were now bearing. In those days grafting and budding were not known and the seedling is slow to bear, so I conclude they had been there 15 or 20 years. Their several names were Abraham, Isaac, John, and George. All good religious people. Had a mill for lumber, grist mill, a log house for school and church. "In 1850 all the elderly ones except Isaac Miller and his family left for Oregon. In 1851 Isaac left, leaving no one by the name of Miller. The Grove now began to be a different place. People from eastern states moved in. I heard Ma tell Pa that she liked the new neighbors better than the old ones. They were so different, (more sociable, I suppose) such as Ma had always associated with." Jeff Scism, IBSSG Merle C Rummel wrote: > Thanks much - > > This is a start on what needs to be done on these known Brethren in the > Carolinas. I will save this in my files, with some of the previous > information on these churches and families. I am using them to assist > in the Kentucky Migration - but this is a lead on those Brethren > families who remained in the Carolinas. I still want to know more about > the Crane Creek Church (just found a Brethren Casper Miller, who lived > at Salisbury, his son Adam moved to Washington Co IN, 1824). > > Roger Sappington presented what he could find out on the Carolina > churches in his History of the Brethren in North Carolina. This is the > next step, because there is more information like this out there. I'm > finding in Kentucky that the main way to learn of these churches which > have disappeared, is to trace the families. And that is what we are > doing in our family genealogies. That is what I've been doing with > these Kentucky families -where they came from. > > I've told myself I'm taking a break on the work on the Kentucky Book > (some of these "new" families need more research), maybe I'll pull > together a start on these Carolina churches (my daughter is not going to > be happy). > > I do have another interest here, included in your answer. Who is this > Christopher Guise? There is a major frontiersman of western > Pennsylvania, Christopher Gist. This Christopher Gist had a > "plantation" near Uniontown PA. He led General Braddock's army toward > Fort Duquesne (1755). He was an early explorer into Ohio. He moved > south, presumably to Georgia. He signed the petition from Fort > Redstone, with the Brethren of Brothers Valley and Washington Co PA. I > picked up a copy of his "Journals", at Fort Necessity last summer (and > haven't ready it yet). Is there a connection of these two men? or are > they the same man? Was Christopher Gist Brethren? > > The Brethren Encyclopedia was written what 30 years ago. I know I wrote > on what I knew then, and some of that has since proven to be incorrect. > I'm finding the same true about what others wrote. And there is a lot > more The 4th Volume was to correct these, but I admit, I didn't send > anything more in, partially because I'm still finding out new things. > But it is like Jeff Bach just reminded me - at some point, we have to > present what we know now. > > Merle C Rummel > > >> There were three Brethren churches west of the Catawba River. The earliest >> church, Killians Meeting House, later became regular Baptist and was located >> in eastern Lincoln County. It began in the middle 1750's with Christopher >> Guise (variously spelled) and Abraham Earhard as ministers. Mountain View >> Baptist has an older cemetery which is the remnants of Lebanon Lutheran >> Church. Lebanon was a later Lutheran church of Killians Meeting House. >> Evidence suggests that Killians Meeting House was originally a union church >> of Lutheran, Reformed, and Brethren. Rev. Lemuel Saunders, apparently a >> regular Baptist, came to minister to the remains of the Brethren at Killians >> Meeting House after the American Revolution. Many Brethren moved away just >> before, during and after the Revolution. Some were Tories and Neutrals and >> some just moved. >> >> Two other Brethren churches located in western Lincoln and western Catawba >> County were both named Thessalonica. Their ministers were Henry Rhodes and >> Lorentz Linhardt. I believe that members of the Thessalonica located in >> present western Lincoln County joined Mt. Zion Baptist Church near present >> Cherryville in present Gaston County. Many of the Catawba County members of >> Thessalonica, the Millers and Bakers, moved to Cape Girardeau Missouri where >> Peter Baker established a Brethren congregation around 1800, the Whitewater >> congregation. They intermingled with the Rowan and Uwarrhi (spelling) >> Hendricks. The Catawba County Thessalonica Church also became regular >> Baptist Church. >> >> The two Thessalonica Brethren churches were served by Henry Rhodes and >> Lorentz Linhardt. Both died in early 1830's and apparently no other >> Brethren ministers served these congregations. Members apparently then >> joined regular Baptist churches. >> >> More research needs to be done on these churches. I have seen no evidence >> that the Brethren Church even recognizes Linhardt and Rhodes as ministers. >> I have primary documentation that they were Dunker/Tunker ministers. >> >> I am not at all certain about the Rowan and Stanley County, NC churches. >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- Jeffery G. 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Merle, There were three Brethren churches west of the Catawba River. The earliest church, Killians Meeting House, later became regular Baptist and was located in eastern Lincoln County. It began in the middle 1750's with Christopher Guise (variously spelled) and Abraham Earhard as ministers. Mountain View Baptist has an older cemetery which is the remnants of Lebanon Lutheran Church. Lebanon was a later Lutheran church of Killians Meeting House. Evidence suggests that Killians Meeting House was originally a union church of Lutheran, Reformed, and Brethren. Rev. Lemuel Saunders, apparently a regular Baptist, came to minister to the remains of the Brethren at Killians Meeting House after the American Revolution. Many Brethren moved away just before, during and after the Revolution. Some were Tories and Neutrals and some just moved. Two other Brethren churches located in western Lincoln and western Catawba County were both named Thessalonica. Their ministers were Henry Rhodes and Lorentz Linhardt. I believe that members of the Thessalonica located in present western Lincoln County joined Mt. Zion Baptist Church near present Cherryville in present Gaston County. Many of the Catawba County members of Thessalonica, the Millers and Bakers, moved to Cape Girardeau Missouri where Peter Baker established a Brethren congregation around 1800, the Whitewater congregation. They intermingled with the Rowan and Uwarrhi (spelling) Hendricks. The Catawba County Thessalonica Church also became regular Baptist Church. The two Thessalonica Brethren churches were served by Henry Rhodes and Lorentz Linhardt. Both died in early 1830's and apparently no other Brethren ministers served these congregations. Members apparently then joined regular Baptist churches. More research needs to be done on these churches. I have seen no evidence that the Brethren Church even recognizes Linhardt and Rhodes as ministers. I have primary documentation that they were Dunker/Tunker ministers. I am not at all certain about the Rowan and Stanley County, NC churches. Hope this helps, Robert Carpenter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Merle C Rummel" <cliff@rtkonline.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Wright Family - Wayne Co., KY/Rowan Co., NC > >> >> <<Someone out in the internet says that Evans Wright's father Richard >> Wright >> (died in Rowan Co., NC) was a Primitive Baptist Minister. They did not >> source the information and I forgot to keep their name in my file. >> Do you know the names of the Primitive Baptist churches in Rowan Co., >> NC?>> >> >> EATON'S (FORK OF THE YADKIN) >> founded in 1772, Wright family joined this one >> PINEY WOODS (circa 1810s) >> FLAT CREEK >> >> the Baptist split into Primitive and others was circa 1830s, so it's >> hard to >> know exactly when to start to use the PB name >> >> >> > One of the things I am finding in Kentucky, those Brethren who did not > join the westward migration (to Illinois, Missouri or Iowa), often they > or their chidlren are later found in Primitive Baptist churches in their > community - some of which seem to be the Brethren Church, (Baptist > Brethren Church) - now a Primitive Baptist Church. And these include > foot-washing at their communion service and a couple even report having > trine-immersion baptism. > > Now, I am studying the Kentucky Brethren, who were "expelled" from the > Brotherhood by the Annual Meeting Elders, about 1825-6 - for not obeying > the decisions of Annual Meeting. Two leading Elders were put on the Ban > (Adam Hostetler and Peter Hon), and the Kentucky Church disappeared. > But in the 1790s (1795 and 1798) Annual Meeting did a similar thing to > the Brethren in the Carolinas. Elder Jacob Stutzman moved to the > Uwharrie, Rowan Co NC. He seemingly was the brother-in-law of Elder > Michael Pfoutz of the Pipe Creek Church in Maryland. He wrote a letter > condemning the Universalism he found prevalent among the Brethren of the > Carolinas. Now, yes, Brethren Pietism included a belief in "Eternal > Restoration" - that God, loving his creation, would not leave them in > hell for eternity, but there would be a "restoration". This was close > to, but not exactly Universalism. Elder Michael Pfoutz took the letter > to the Annual Meeting. Annual Meeting placed an Elder ("John H") on the > Ban. Early historians stated this was a John Hamm, but research about > him does not place him as a prominent Brethren leader, not enough to be > singled out, maybe not Brethren at all. Some of us feel it was Elder > John Hendricks, who almost immediately (1798) sold his lands (to William > Hendricks, son of Elder James Hendricks), and moved to far western > Kentucky, Drakes Creek, in now Simpson Co. He and his family were > strong in Universalism there and took it with them as they moved to Cape > Girardeau County Missouri and to Adams Co Ilinois. > > It is interesting, that Elder David Martin, son of the Elder George Adam > Martin, died just a few years before (1794). David Martin WAS the > leader of the Pietist Eternal Restoration belief in the Carolinas, and > one of the most prominent of the Carolina Elders. - but HE was dead - > and we do not know what happened to the Brethren churches of the > Carolinas - did some Brethren become Primitive Baptists in the > Carolinas, like some did in Kentucky? > > This question becomes personal with me. My ancestor was the minister, > Conrad Kerns, of the Crane Creek Church at Salisbury, Rowan Co NC. He > was alive during the Revolution (in the militia, guarded the jaol in > Salisbury, with his son Adam, with his brother, the minister Johan > Kerns, and with Elder James Hendricks, son-in-law of the Elder Gaspar > Roland) - but what happened to him? (died 1812, Salisbury). I have not > been able to find out. Adam (and other siblings) went to the Hinkston > Creek Church in Nicholas Co KY, then Adam and his family are found in > Lawrence and Monroe Cos IN, Adam as a Bishop of the Disciples of Christ, > his children as leaders of the "Brethren Association" which took those > Brethren into the Disciples Church. James Hendricks seems to have died > at Crane Creek about this time (1787), and some of his children went to > the Hinkston Creek Church (largest Brethren Church in Kentucky), and I > sort of lose track of them there (the family) - (there is a spare James > Hendricks at Drakes Creek, but I think this is not the same group). The > Hinkston Creek Church became the Old Union Christian Church. > > So, What happened to these "expelled" Brethren of the Carolinas? When I > preached there (built the Friendship Church, North Wilkesboro, back in > 1957-58 - with lumber from Lowes!), the Brethren Churches in Carolina > were not these original Churches. We really didn't know what happened > to them. > > Merle C Rummel > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

> > <<Someone out in the internet says that Evans Wright's father Richard Wright > (died in Rowan Co., NC) was a Primitive Baptist Minister. They did not > source the information and I forgot to keep their name in my file. > Do you know the names of the Primitive Baptist churches in Rowan Co., NC?>> > > EATON'S (FORK OF THE YADKIN) > founded in 1772, Wright family joined this one > PINEY WOODS (circa 1810s) > FLAT CREEK > > the Baptist split into Primitive and others was circa 1830s, so it's hard to > know exactly when to start to use the PB name > > > One of the things I am finding in Kentucky, those Brethren who did not join the westward migration (to Illinois, Missouri or Iowa), often they or their chidlren are later found in Primitive Baptist churches in their community - some of which seem to be the Brethren Church, (Baptist Brethren Church) - now a Primitive Baptist Church. And these include foot-washing at their communion service and a couple even report having trine-immersion baptism. Now, I am studying the Kentucky Brethren, who were "expelled" from the Brotherhood by the Annual Meeting Elders, about 1825-6 - for not obeying the decisions of Annual Meeting. Two leading Elders were put on the Ban (Adam Hostetler and Peter Hon), and the Kentucky Church disappeared. But in the 1790s (1795 and 1798) Annual Meeting did a similar thing to the Brethren in the Carolinas. Elder Jacob Stutzman moved to the Uwharrie, Rowan Co NC. He seemingly was the brother-in-law of Elder Michael Pfoutz of the Pipe Creek Church in Maryland. He wrote a letter condemning the Universalism he found prevalent among the Brethren of the Carolinas. Now, yes, Brethren Pietism included a belief in "Eternal Restoration" - that God, loving his creation, would not leave them in hell for eternity, but there would be a "restoration". This was close to, but not exactly Universalism. Elder Michael Pfoutz took the letter to the Annual Meeting. Annual Meeting placed an Elder ("John H") on the Ban. Early historians stated this was a John Hamm, but research about him does not place him as a prominent Brethren leader, not enough to be singled out, maybe not Brethren at all. Some of us feel it was Elder John Hendricks, who almost immediately (1798) sold his lands (to William Hendricks, son of Elder James Hendricks), and moved to far western Kentucky, Drakes Creek, in now Simpson Co. He and his family were strong in Universalism there and took it with them as they moved to Cape Girardeau County Missouri and to Adams Co Ilinois. It is interesting, that Elder David Martin, son of the Elder George Adam Martin, died just a few years before (1794). David Martin WAS the leader of the Pietist Eternal Restoration belief in the Carolinas, and one of the most prominent of the Carolina Elders. - but HE was dead - and we do not know what happened to the Brethren churches of the Carolinas - did some Brethren become Primitive Baptists in the Carolinas, like some did in Kentucky? This question becomes personal with me. My ancestor was the minister, Conrad Kerns, of the Crane Creek Church at Salisbury, Rowan Co NC. He was alive during the Revolution (in the militia, guarded the jaol in Salisbury, with his son Adam, with his brother, the minister Johan Kerns, and with Elder James Hendricks, son-in-law of the Elder Gaspar Roland) - but what happened to him? (died 1812, Salisbury). I have not been able to find out. Adam (and other siblings) went to the Hinkston Creek Church in Nicholas Co KY, then Adam and his family are found in Lawrence and Monroe Cos IN, Adam as a Bishop of the Disciples of Christ, his children as leaders of the "Brethren Association" which took those Brethren into the Disciples Church. James Hendricks seems to have died at Crane Creek about this time (1787), and some of his children went to the Hinkston Creek Church (largest Brethren Church in Kentucky), and I sort of lose track of them there (the family) - (there is a spare James Hendricks at Drakes Creek, but I think this is not the same group). The Hinkston Creek Church became the Old Union Christian Church. So, What happened to these "expelled" Brethren of the Carolinas? When I preached there (built the Friendship Church, North Wilkesboro, back in 1957-58 - with lumber from Lowes!), the Brethren Churches in Carolina were not these original Churches. We really didn't know what happened to them. Merle C Rummel

I thought I saw on this List that many German Baptist *did* serve in wars, while other men objected. Maybe someone could remind us all where to find that info. Judy On 6/28/08, Bb43@aol.com <Bb43@aol.com> wrote: <snip> > In light of all that service, I find it interesting that a relative of mine > joined the DAR based on Michael's war service. At the age of 15 he joined the > 3rd Co. of the 2nd Battalion of the Lancaster Co. militia. He was a > substitute 'fifer and drummer", so if he saw battle he probably didn't use any weapons. > > The stresses on these young men must have been tremendous at that time. But > I guess there was a forgiveness mechanism within the church, because he went > on to be a devoted Brethren. > > Beverly

Hi, Emmert. I have Michael Meyers as my ancestor. My notes say he was raised a Mennonite, and became a Brethren when he married into the Beeghly family. He "presided over an extensive membership for approximately thirty years." Five of his sons became ministers, two became deacons, and two of his daughters married ministers. In light of all that service, I find it interesting that a relative of mine joined the DAR based on Michael's war service. At the age of 15 he joined the 3rd Co. of the 2nd Battalion of the Lancaster Co. militia. He was a substitute 'fifer and drummer", so if he saw battle he probably didn't use any weapons. The stresses on these young men must have been tremendous at that time. But I guess there was a forgiveness mechanism within the church, because he went on to be a devoted Brethren. Beverly **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

Thank you for the response, Galen. I guess I should have known it wouldn't so easy. I googled the address of where my mother lived as a child and the address of the Brethren church at that time, and they were only 1/2 mile apart. But I need to do some more checking. And you're right about the timing. The addresses I plugged in on Google showed them right near the water, and now is not the time to be asking questions when so much devastation has taken place. I'll stick this question with my list of future quests and get back to it later. Beverly **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

In a message dated 6/28/2008 10:28:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, freeames@comcast.net writes: <<Someone out in the internet says that Evans Wright's father Richard Wright (died in Rowan Co., NC) was a Primitive Baptist Minister. They did not source the information and I forgot to keep their name in my file. Do you know the names of the Primitive Baptist churches in Rowan Co., NC?>> EATON'S (FORK OF THE YADKIN) founded in 1772, Wright family joined this one PINEY WOODS (circa 1810s) FLAT CREEK the Baptist split into Primitive and others was circa 1830s, so it's hard to know exactly when to start to use the PB name steven rowe (living in the PeeDee-Yadkin River basin) . **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

As someone herein explained previously, Many were forced to serve or pay taxes. It Was cheaper to serve. I,too, have Brethren Ancestors who served, and my family has always Been as anti-war as was possible at the time (can't speak for the Native lines, though). Diane Marie Kerchner -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Judy Florian Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 9:55 AM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] church logo question I thought I saw on this List that many German Baptist *did* serve in wars, while other men objected. Maybe someone could remind us all where to find that info. Judy On 6/28/08, Bb43@aol.com <Bb43@aol.com> wrote: <snip> > In light of all that service, I find it interesting that a relative of mine > joined the DAR based on Michael's war service. At the age of 15 he joined the > 3rd Co. of the 2nd Battalion of the Lancaster Co. militia. He was a > substitute 'fifer and drummer", so if he saw battle he probably didn't use any weapons. > > The stresses on these young men must have been tremendous at that time. But > I guess there was a forgiveness mechanism within the church, because he went > on to be a devoted Brethren. > > Beverly ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That explains why Milton Wright was remembered by the UBC college [HUntinton} which had a male's dowm named after him. I sapeen my fredhman and sphormore years in the side dorm. StevenMichael

Steven It doesn't surprise me that the current UB deny or ignore that part of the history. The current UB denied it from the beginning. The split occurred in 1889 - when the new constitution was adopted at the General Conference. The vote for the new constituion was 50,000 to 3,000. Wright led a breakaway group, claiming the majority was the not the real churchgroup. Those UBs kicked him out and he kicked all of them out. Wright sued in court to get the printing company and other assets, but was rejected up by the Federal Court of Appeals in 1899. He settled for adding (Old Constitution) to the name of his group. And of course after the larger group gave up the name UB, the smaller group removed the term "Old constitution". I dont know anything about the Evangelical Brethren, it was the United Evangelical Church that joined with the United Brethren in Christ (new constitution to you), to form the Evaneligical United Brethren in circa 1946, and it was the EUB who joined the Methodist Church in 1968 - to form the United Methodist Church. I hope this wording is more acceptable to you. steven rowe (grandson of a UB minister- new constituion) In a message dated 6/28/2008 6:54:03 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jan1750@rcn.com writes: As a Graducate of Huntington College [now University] in Indiana] but not a member of the united Brethren Church in Christ, the UBC is still a very active church and is notin any associated with what is nw the United Mehodists or previously knon as the Evangalical Brethren. StevenMichael Lewis **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

Hello Merle, Thank You for your message. Someone out in the internet says that Evans Wright's father Richard Wright (died in Rowan Co., NC) was a Primitive Baptist Minister. They did not source the information and I forgot to keep their name in my file. Do you know the names of the Primitive Baptist churches in Rowan Co., NC? The Beaver Creek Meeting House I think is located near the land that Evans Wright sold to Isaac van Winkle in 1828. I hope that helps you. I think that Evans Wright went straight to Macon Co., Missouri since he is listed in the 1830 census in Macon Co., Missouri. The Wright Family DNA tests are slowly separating the different Wrights. I do not know if there is a connection to the (airplane) Wright Brothers. If asked I think all would agree no one knows where Richard Wright was born or came from to Rowan Co., North Carolina. Do you know where the Brethren families of Rowan Co., NC came from before they settled in Rowan Co., NC? Hope this helps, Good Luck in the research Debbie Freeman -----Original Message----- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:18:52 -0400 From: Merle C Rummel <cliff@rtkonline.com> Subject: Re: [BRE] Wright Family To: brethren@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4865593C.9000404@rtkonline.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Thanks for bringing this to my attention - No, I was unaware of the Beaver Creek Meeting house - so I did a study of information on the Wrights, available on WorldConnect - It seems that 4 or 5 of the sons of Richard Wright (w: Elizabeth Ann Morgan) moved from the Uwharrie River, Rowan Co NC (Brethren Church there) - to Wayne Co KY (just west of the Cumberland Gap on the Cumberland River headwaters). From what I remember of that area of Kentucky, it could have been a good farming area. The youngest 2 sons: Amos and Philbert Wright moved on to Washington Co IN (Amos' first wife, Elizabeth Lowe, died in Wayne Co KY, 1806). Some of the children of others of the family also moved to Washington Co IN, and the eldest son, Benjamin ended up at Indianapolis IN (one daughter married and stayed in Washington Co). Your Evan went on to Missouri - did he stop in Indiana on the way, or did he move directly from Wayne Co KY to Macon Co MO? There is a possibility that this was a Brethren Family (especially since Amos' son, John Wright, is listed as Dunker/Brethren -in Washington Co IN), and that the Beaver Creek Meetinghouse (Christian Church) was originally a Baptist Brethren. I'm going to have to investigate more of the early families in Wayne Co. Can you tell me closer where this is located? Be aware that Amos, Philbert and their families were leaders in the Christian Church movement in Southern Indiana -and were involved in the movement of all the Brethren Churches there into the Disciples of Christ, Christian, Church. I'm not surprised to have Beaver Creek named as a Christian Church - in later times, and would not be surprised to find that it was originally one of the Brethren Churches. We Brethren had a habit of naming our churches after nearby Rivers and Streams, while few others churches did. This is one of the leads I use to locate these early Brethren Churches of Kentucky (especially if it is a Baptist or Primitive Baptist Church). Just a question - since the Wright Brothers lived over here in Henry Co IN, before moving to Dayton - and the airplane - do they fit in this expose? - possibly Benjamin's line? Merle C Rummel

> I have a Nancy Tennessee Keedy who married a Wright in Orange County, IN. > The Keedys were members of the Lost River Church. (Now Liberty Christian > Church). I would imagine the Wrights were also. > Alice > I'm still working on the several families in southern Indiana - Actually the Wrights lived east of the Lost River Church/Liberty Church (at Orleans, Orange Co IN), over in Washington Co IN - Amos, his son John, and his brother, Philbert, might have been early Brethren from the Uwharrie (Rowan Co NC), but they went quickly with the "Revival" (or as they called it "the Reformation") and formed the Blue River Baptist Association, which then led the "Brethren Association" (including the Lost River Church) into the "Revival" and the Disciples of Christ Denomination. Salem IN (Washington Co) was along the same "Buffalo Trace" as the Lost River Church (Orange Co), and the Olive Branch Chuch (Clark Co), and not too far from the White River Church (now Old Union Christian Church)(in Lawrence Co) - all of whom went Disicples. This occurred several years after Elder Adam Hostetler, of Mt Eden KY, was put on the Ban by the Annual Meeting Elders. (He then moved to the Olive Branch Church.) Included in this is that the "boy preacher", Joseph Hostetler (son of Abraham Hostetler and Agnes Hardman, nephew of Elder Adam Hostetler) spoke to Annual Meeting in 1821, and persuaded them that a person immersion just once, was going to heaven as surely as those immersed three times (the Brethren "Trine Immersion") [he had discussions with Alexander Campbell (Campbellites/Disciples of Christ)]. This was rejected by the Elders of Annual Meeting in 1826, and led to the above Ban - and everything that followed! Merle C Rummel

As a Graducate of Huntington College [now University] in Indiana] but not a member of the united Brethren Church in Christ, the UBC is still a very active church and is notin any associated with what is nw the United Mehodists or previously knon as the Evangalical Brethren. StevenMichael Lewis

In a message dated 6/27/2008 7:17:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, KTompk7744@aol.com writes: >And Milton, father of the famous Wright Brothers, joined the Church of >the United Brethren in Christ. I think that may be the fancy name for United >Brethren, associated with Otterbein. The fact that the author refers to >UB'ers as "the Brethren" tends to confuse me. "The Church of the United Brethren in Christ" was indeed the full formal name of the more commonly called United Brethren. Milton Wright was the founder (co-founder?) of the breakaway group "The Church of the United Brethren in Christ (Old Constitution)", a name that took long years and much court time to get.. After the merger of the United Brethren, Evangelical with the Methodist Church, Wright's group was eventually able to drop the "old constitution" part of the name. As a child, my mother lived in a town in Indiana with two churches: United Brethren and United Brethren (Old Constitution). You know that must have been a horrible split. but yes, UBs were (are?) also known as Brethren. steven rowe **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

I have a Nancy Tennessee Keedy who married a Wright in Orange County, IN. The Keedys were members of the Lost River Church. (Now Liberty Christian Church). I would imagine the Wrights were also. Alice ----- Original Message ----- From: <KTompk7744@aol.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Wright Family > In The Bishop's Boys, by Tom Crouch (1989 W W Norton Co), the author > devotes > several pages to the Wright ancestry. > > The father of Wilbur & Orville Wright (not to mention Reuchlin, Lorin and > Katherine, and two infant twins) was Milton Wright, who apparently was > highly > interested in genealogy. On p. 21, he is quoted as saying: > > "Dan Wright (my father) was the third son of Dan Wright, > who was the third child of Benoni Wright, who was the > tenth child of Samuel Wright, who was the fifth child of > James Wright, who was the second son of Samuel > Wright, our first American ancestor of the name, who > was born in England about the year 1600, settled at > Springfield, Massachusetts in 1637 or before, less than > twenty years after the landing of the Pilgrim Fathers at > Plymouth Rock." > > The family found itself in Connecticut and Vermont before joining brother > Porter Wright's family in the Gennessee Valley of NY in 1813. But on p. > 11: > > "The following year, the entire Wright clan--the elder Dan, > his wife Sarah, and their four children Asahel, Porter, > Dan and Eliza--pulled up stakes and moved west. They > traveled overland to Olean, PA, then rode a flatboat down > the Allegheny and Ohio rivers to Cincinnati. After a > quick survey of available land, the family settled on a > farm near Centerville, eight miles south of Dayton..." > > Which would have convinced me they were always in Montgomery County, Ohio, > if the next two pages weren't devoted to the emigration of Dan and > Catherine > Reeder Wright and their two sons, Samuel & Harvey on to Rush County, > Indiana. > Four more children were born in Indiana, including Sarah (1824),Milton > (1828), William (1832) and Kate (1834, died at birth). There's a good > deal of > detail in this chapter about Rush County in its frontier days. When > Milton > was 12, his father purchased a farm in Orange Twp, Fayette County, IN. > The > family's religious orientation isn't clear in skimming this chapter. > Each > of Catherine Reeder Wright's surviving sons chose the church as a career. > She was Presbyterian but attended the nearby Methodist Episcopal. Son > Harvey > "grew up to be a Primitive Baptist minister." Son Samuel died of > typhoid > before completing his studies. Son William became a United Brethren > preacher. And Milton, father of the famous Wright Brothers, joined the > Church of > the United Brethren in Christ. I think that may be the fancy name for > United > Brethren, associated with Otterbein. The fact that the author refers to > UB'ers as "the Brethren" tends to confuse me. > > After Milton's marriage to Susan Koerner, they moved around enough that I > lost track. Marion, Dublin, Williamsburg, New Castle, Millville, > Hartsville, > Grant County..... I think that at one point the family lived in Iowa. > > Anyway, it all sounds possible that they may have kinfolk in Indiana. > > At our house, we were much more interested in Reuchlin Wright, who settled > on a farm near Tonganoxie, KS. His daughter married a McLouth banker, > and my > mom, as a high school student, sometimes babysat for their kids. > > JT > > > > > > > **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for > fuel-efficient used cars. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Liz. Esther and I lived aat Burkittsville for seven years in the 1950s and have many pleasant memories of attending the Pleasant View Church one mile north of Burkittsville on the road to Middletown. It is easy to find, and of course Burkittsville is on the maryland map and in Frederick County. You wont find and early records there, but it is a beautiful rural country church. This is the community where my wife and I began our family and enjoyed the wonderful hospitality of the local people. It is a very old community, and we still have many friends there. The book A Pleasant View is a good source. There is also a section on this church in the book Allegheny Passage. Who were your ancestors from that area? If you wish to make a contact in the village, write back. Emmert Bittinger. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz Walker" <lizgwalker@cox.net> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 2:00 PM Subject: [BRE] Visit to Maryland > > I'm making my first time trip to Washington, D.C. next month and > would like to drive up to the Pleasant View Church in Burkittsville, > Maryland where some of my ancestors worshipped and are buried. Does > anyone on the list live near there or has anyone visited there? I'd > like to know if it is difficult to find, or get to from D.C. If I > visit on a Saturday would there be anyone there or do I need to let > them know I'm coming? Also, does anyone know if they have any early > records (birth, marriage, death) there, or is the book, "A Pleasant > View" the best source for the early church information. I have > written the church in past but didn't receive a response. I've also > done a Mapquest on the trip but I know that is no match for first > hand experience. > > Any thoughts, suggestions, advise, would be appreciated. You can > respond off list if you like. > > Thanks, Liz Walker > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Beverly. Your post caught my attention. So I looked up the name Michael Meyers in Allegheny Passage, and there is a reference there of Elder Michael Meyers a Brethren minister who was in charge of some Brethren churches in Somerset County between the years of 1806 and 1836. Could this have been an ancester of your Meyers line? Also, there is a Brethren Church at in a community named Wheeler near Elkins W. Va. a hundred years ago. This church later was known as Glady. Emmert Bittinger ----- Original Message ----- From: <Bb43@aol.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 2:41 AM Subject: [BRE] church logo question > Hi, all. > > I'm new to this board and to genealogy, but I have a question about the > religion of my grandfather Carl Jesse Meyers. > > Before I get to the logo question I should maybe just give a little > background. My grandfather's parents were Michael William Meyers > (1857-1930) and Ella > Wheeler (1865-1915). I know nothing about the Wheeler side of the family, > but > Michael was born in Somerset County, PA to Martin Meyers and Sally Witt. > I > haven't traced the Witt family back any farther, but Martin's parents were > Michael Meyers and Maria Beeghley, both of Somerset County, PA. Many > members of > this family were ministers in the Church of the Brethren. > > My great grandfather left PA with his parents, and eventually ended up in > Morrill, Kansas, where he married his first wife and where all his > children were > born. By 1910 he was living in Cedar Rapids, Iowa with four out his five > children - my grandfather Carl being the youngest son (1889-1926). > > The rest of my information is family lore. My grandfather died a young > man, > and much of what I hear is third hand - stories my grandmother, Vera Bates > Meyers, used to tell her children. Not necessarily reliable. > > The story is - yes, I will get to the logo question - that William Meyers > left the church when he married Ella. ("She was a Quaker, or something > like > that.") When Carl and Vera married she did not join his church - the > denomination > of which no one remembers - and she took some of the kids with her each > Sunday, and he took my mother and another daughter with him to his church. > I have > quizzed my mother about the church and she remembers very little. Carl > died > when she was seven, and from then on all the children went to church with > their > mother. > > So here's what my mother remembers: the church was two blocks away from > their home in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, it was a very small church, and it had a > window > or wall decoration that looked like a cross with a boat on the bottom and > a > crown in the middle. (This memory is from an 89 year old woman looking > back to > a memory more than eighty years ago when she was a young child.) But my > mind > immediately flashed to the logo on the Brethren Genealogy site. The > cross, > the wave and the circle could easily look like my mother's description. > And I > have found a Brethren church in Cedar Rapids that dates back to the turn > of > the century (20th, that is). > > So finally my question would be: Was there a symbol used by the Brethren > back in the 1920s that would be similar to the logo used today? > > I guess I'm hoping that my grandfather was a member of the Brethren > Church. > With all the history in his family with this church it would be sad if he > lost it all. (Incidentally, his father Michael William had his burial > services > held in 1930 in the First Brethren Church in Los Angeles, CA. Story is > that he > rejoined the church when he married his second wife Elva I. - with no last > name known by our family.) > > A very long question - I hope someone reads to the end and can shed some > light. > > Thanks, > Beverly > > > > **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for > fuel-efficient used cars. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message