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Evening Merle, Yes many of us have our own personal copies of Some Who Led. As a general primer for the "biggies" in the church in its early days it is a handsome volume to have in your library. But for others, either too lazy to locate a copy or just wanting things for free with no effort, the book offered an opportunity on my part to aid history. A word of caution to those who have been or are using that set of pages. It is offered as is with no warranties. The images you see were generated from a PDF file that was exported to singular TIF images and then ported over, via JPG files, to a series of Internet pages. The original InDesign file that the PDF file was generated from went the way of the Dodo bird... now extinct. It, the InDesign file, got lost in the shuffle of a lost hard drive. You will notice that there are minor spelling errors through the series of pages. When porting the PDF file over to an Internet friendly set of images I was not going to redo the book as shown. It would have taken too much time on my part to retypeset it. Yes, it could have been OCRed but then you have to take the time to do that and then recreate the exact line, paragraph and page breaks. 'Tis not as simple as it sounds. I will not mention the hundred hours or so work on the photographs. 'Nuff said. The online version will, in it's second reincarnation, have the full list of keywords displayed in the box to the left of the image. I worked out the work flow with a group of very generous volunteers who were kind enough to work with me. When and if I get back to it the new material will be posted. Hopefully in the future the pages will be search engine capable. Funds and time is all that is required. It has been my hope to set up a German Baptist historical site online that would include Some Who Led as well as my other digital archives collection. This would not be limited to just Gospel Messengers, German Baptist History books, historically minded manuscripts and periodicals, but would also entail my extensive collection of court records. These records, while small in national import, do include two significant counties in German Baptist history... Montgomery county, Ohio and Bedford county, Pennsylvania. I have a sizeable collection of digitized estate records from Montgomery as well as marriages (1803-1844), and select dockets. Similar records to these are in my Bedford collection as well. It would be a paid site to fund my endeavors and further such projects. Now to answer your posed question. For select works, and this is purely my choice and for my edification, I have done the same with one or two other works. The reasons are various and are better eclipsed by my comments in the third sentence of the first paragraph. Wayne Webb ----- Original Message ----- > > This is interesting - but I already have "Some Who Led" - > > I tried to find a listing of available books on the site - and could not > > What books are available? Wayne, is this where your books are ending up? > > Merle C Rummel

Dwayne, Will you please clarify the names you mentioned as being on the Allen? In Durnbaugh's book "European Origins of the Brethren" he has a list of Allen passengers. I can't find a Kalckglasser; I do find a Christopher Kalckloser. There is also listed a Marie Kalckloser( I assume wife of Christopher), a Christian Schneider and a Susan Schneider. Is it known if Susanna Mack (married to Christian Schneider) and Maria Mack (married to Christopher Kalckglasser) were related to Alexander Mack? Durnbaugh also lists Anna Margaret Mack 2 times. Do you know if she/they are related to Alexander Mack? Maxine Driscoll in California ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dwayne Wrightsman" <dwayne55@comcast.net> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 3:12 PM Subject: [BRE] Christian Schneider Patent >I have stumbled upon a warrant, survey, and patent that seems to tie >Christian Schneider (married Susanna Mack) to Christophel Kalckglasser >(married Maria Mack). "Christian Kalligleaser" warranted 200 acres on a >brook of Tulpehocken Creek on 19 August 1738. The land was surveyed as 226 >acres on 14 May 1740 (C-107-131). The tract was patented 29 November 1762 >by "Christian Snyder" (AA-4-78). The land was located in that part of >Lancaster County that became Berks County. > > Susanna Mack and Maria Mack were sisters who came over with their young > husbands from Surhuisterveen to Philadelphia on the Ship Allen in 1729. > > Question for David Myers: Does any of this fit into your research > findings about the mysterious Christian Sneider? > > Dwayne Wrightsman > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have stumbled upon a warrant, survey, and patent that seems to tie Christian Schneider (married Susanna Mack) to Christophel Kalckglasser (married Maria Mack). "Christian Kalligleaser" warranted 200 acres on a brook of Tulpehocken Creek on 19 August 1738. The land was surveyed as 226 acres on 14 May 1740 (C-107-131). The tract was patented 29 November 1762 by "Christian Snyder" (AA-4-78). The land was located in that part of Lancaster County that became Berks County. Susanna Mack and Maria Mack were sisters who came over with their young husbands from Surhuisterveen to Philadelphia on the Ship Allen in 1729. Question for David Myers: Does any of this fit into your research findings about the mysterious Christian Sneider? Dwayne Wrightsman

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Thanks Roger for the Daniel Ullery will info. I will have to renew my subscription of Brethren Roots. Have been away for a couple of years. Much appreciated. Joe U In a message dated 7/22/2008 9:27:11 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, RRRhoads@aol.com writes: Daniel Ullery's 1781 will has been translated from the German and is part of the excellent article by Gale Honeyman entitle “Origin of the Deeter-Teeter Surname” in the Summer 2008 issue of Brethren Roots that just arrived at my home. The will has his wife Christina as well as children Susanna, Christina, Daniel, Katharina, Johannes, Elizabeth, Hana, Maria and John. Johannes Martin and Johannes Deeter were the executors with Conrad Brombach and Hanns Ulrich being witnesses. These are not written in birth order but are scattered around the document. Suggest you get a copy for your reading. This is also the last issue edited by my good friend Wayne Webb. His guiding hand will be sorely missed. Roger Rhoads In a message dated 7/21/2008 9:42:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, brethren-request@rootsweb.com writes: Message: 4 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:20:41 EDT From: PAPAJOEU@aol.com Subject: Re: [BRE] Brethren history resources To: brethren@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <d1f.2c902976.35b681d9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" If someone has access to the will of one Daniel Ullery (Ulrich), resident in Peters Township, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, 2 January, 1781, and can give me the name of all his heirs listed and the names of their spouses, if shown, I would very much appreciate the data. I know only of his son John and daughter Susannah and not the others. Susannah was married to a Deeter. Thanks, Joe U. **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)

I came across something on Google Books that may be of interest. I'm not sure if someone has pointed this out before, and if they did my apologies. It is a series of papers presented in the 1920's to the Lancaster County, PA Historical Society. One of the papers that caught my interest was a series of petitions from 1785 signed by residents of what was later Dauphin, Lebanon and Lancaster Counties. The list contains about 1000 names, and those who signed their name in German are designated. There is also a two part paper on the settlement of Augusta County, VA by Lancaster County residents based on their names being listed in various Virginia legal documents. Augusta County included what is now Rockingham County. It includes notes on the Dunker's, although they state the first Dunker's came there in the 1780's. The title in Google is "Papers Read Before the Lancaster County Historical Society" Bill Thomas

Your 1764 deed abstract refers to a different Andrew Hershey than even one I AM interested in. But, I thank you very much for your reply since now I see that I should have proofread my query! It is not an Andrew/Mary marriage I am inquiring about, rather a Christian Hershey/Mary Good marriage I am questioning! Mea culpa. The rest of my query is right on. Sheepishly, I remain, ................................ Valerie A. Metzler, M. A., C. A. Valerie Metzler Archivist/Historian 114 Ruskin Drive Altoona, Pennsylvania 16602 814 940 0493 fax 940 0493 vmah@keyconn.net On 22.07.2008, at 13:25, William Thomas wrote: > > I have a 1764 Lancaster County Deed abstract (M306) for the estate of > Michael Baughman, and lists a daughter Magdalena, who was married > to Andrew > Hershey (deceased). The property was located in Lebanon Township. >

Re: Andrew Hershey I have a 1764 Lancaster County Deed abstract (M306) for the estate of Michael Baughman, and lists a daughter Magdalena, who was married to Andrew Hershey (deceased). The property was located in Lebanon Township. Not sure if this is the Andrew Hershey you are talking about, but it is from that time period. Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Valerie A. Metzler Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 10:27 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRE] Guth/Good/Garber/Hershey Does anyone have any proof that Jacob Guth (born c. 1722) and Elizabeth Garber (born c. 1722) had a daughter, Mary, who married Andrew Hershey? And, where is the proof that this couple had a daughter, Anna, in the early 1730s when they were both still children? ................................ Valerie A. Metzler, M. A., C. A. Valerie Metzler Archivist/Historian 114 Ruskin Drive Altoona, Pennsylvania 16602 814 940 0493 fax 940 0493 vmah@keyconn.net ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Daniel Ullery's 1781 will has been translated from the German and is part of the excellent article by Gale Honeyman entitle “Origin of the Deeter-Teeter Surname” in the Summer 2008 issue of Brethren Roots that just arrived at my home. The will has his wife Christina as well as children Susanna, Christina, Daniel, Katharina, Johannes, Elizabeth, Hana, Maria and John. Johannes Martin and Johannes Deeter were the executors with Conrad Brombach and Hanns Ulrich being witnesses. These are not written in birth order but are scattered around the document. Suggest you get a copy for your reading. This is also the last issue edited by my good friend Wayne Webb. His guiding hand will be sorely missed. Roger Rhoads In a message dated 7/21/2008 9:42:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, brethren-request@rootsweb.com writes: Message: 4 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:20:41 EDT From: PAPAJOEU@aol.com Subject: Re: [BRE] Brethren history resources To: brethren@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <d1f.2c902976.35b681d9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" If someone has access to the will of one Daniel Ullery (Ulrich), resident in Peters Township, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, 2 January, 1781, and can give me the name of all his heirs listed and the names of their spouses, if shown, I would very much appreciate the data. I know only of his son John and daughter Susannah and not the others. Susannah was married to a Deeter. Thanks, Joe U. **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)

This is interesting - but I already have "Some Who Led" - I tried to find a listing of available books on the site - and could not What books are available? Wayne, is this where your books are ending up? Merle C Rummel > > The book "Some Who Led" is available online for free with a > comprehensive index and links on the Table of Contents page. It can be > found at www.brethrennetwork.com/orwahist/books/001_some_who_led. > > And thank you to Dennis Roth for hosting the pages. > >

Evening List, The book "Some Who Led" is available online for free with a comprehensive index and links on the Table of Contents page. It can be found at www.brethrennetwork.com/orwahist/books/001_some_who_led. And thank you to Dennis Roth for hosting the pages. Wayne Webb ----- Original Message ----- > > I would strongly recommend getting this book on interlibrary loan, > which I did several years ago. It has a picture of nearly every leader > of the Brethren who it chooses to include with a bio, usually just > about a page or two in length. It is really swell to look into the eyes > of these actual leaders when they were alive, and read of their bios, > written either shortly after their deaths or maybe some while they were > still alive. There are 47 libraries that own this, and you should be > able to get a copy even though it is approaching 100 years. Maybe if > you wait until it is 100 years old you won't be able to get it any > longer?? The title is: > > Some who led;or, Fathers in the Church of the Brethren who have passed > over, > Miller, D. L. 1841-1921. (Daniel Long), > Royer, Galen Brown,; 1862- ; joint author. > Publication: Elgin, Ill., Brethren Pub. House, > Year: 1912 > Description: 223 p. illus. (incl. ports.) 20 cm.

Does anyone have any proof that Jacob Guth (born c. 1722) and Elizabeth Garber (born c. 1722) had a daughter, Mary, who married Andrew Hershey? And, where is the proof that this couple had a daughter, Anna, in the early 1730s when they were both still children? ................................ Valerie A. Metzler, M. A., C. A. Valerie Metzler Archivist/Historian 114 Ruskin Drive Altoona, Pennsylvania 16602 814 940 0493 fax 940 0493 vmah@keyconn.net

Francis Stump and John Stump owned property in 18th Century Somerset County. Land warrants for John predate Francis by about 20 years. Harmon Husband of Whiskey Rebellion fame was an associate of John Stump based on his journal, and warrants show them as neighbors of the Rhodes Family. I knew that Harmon Husband married a Stump from Cecil County, Maryland. I did some research on Cecil county and came across a history of a Stump Family that provides some interesting insight. A John Stump immigrated to Maryland from Prussia around 1700 and purchased land in Cecil County Maryland. John died in 1747. He had two surviving children John and Henry. Henry moved to Harford County (this history is about Harford County) and had a son John, but his brother John remained in Cecil County, before moving to Harford County. John married Hannah Husband, the daughter of William Husband. Hannah's mother's maiden name was Herman. Harmon Husband is often referred to as Herman Husband in early records, and genealogies show the father of Harmon Husband was William Husband. John Stump also had a son named Herman Stump. John also had a son John born in 1753, who married the daughter of a Quaker. Harmon Husband became a Quaker. Harmon Husband moved from Cecil County, MD to North Carolina. He became embroiled in what they called the War of Regulation, and escaped to Pennsylvania around 1771 under an assumed name. It is interesting that he went to Somerset County, and then became associated with a John Stump in Somerset County. Was it because John Stump was related to his wife? Is Francis Stump of Somerset County related to John Stump of Somerset County? Are both tied to the Stump family of Cecil County? If so, this may mean they have no ties to the German Baptist Stump families of Pennsylvania. Some things to ponder for you Francis Stump researchers. Bill Thomas

If someone has access to the will of one Daniel Ullery (Ulrich), resident in Peters Township, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, 2 January, 1781, and can give me the name of all his heirs listed and the names of their spouses, if shown, I would very much appreciate the data. I know only of his son John and daughter Susannah and not the others. Susannah was married to a Deeter. Thanks, Joe U. In a message dated 7/21/2008 12:46:06 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ebitting@bridgewater.edu writes: Hello John, To answer your question. I don't have a copy of a separate history of the Grossnickle Church, but I would suppose that the local leople do have such a history written up. However, the book by Prof. J. M. Henry, History of the Church of the Brethren in Maryland, (1930s) has a sizable history of the congregation, with a special emphasis on Daniel Leatherman, founder of the congregation. This book, of course, is now very rare and long out of print. I am wondering about your statement that "my ancestry came through there". McLeod, of course, is not a German name, and these people would have been German speaking. You may not have meant that they were Brethren at that time? Of course, the wife sometimes married out of the church. How did you mean that? I checked my J. M. Henry book, but no McLeod name is indexed there, but the index is quite inadequate, still unlikely that your ancesters on the MdCleod side were Brethren.? ----- Original Message ----- From: "John McLeod" <jm6@hubwest.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 12:49 AM Subject: Re: [BRE] Brethren history resources > Has anyone ever written a little history of the Grossnickle COB, > comparable > to the ones that Austin Cooper has done for four other churches???? > I am beginning to imagine that part of my ancestry came through there, as > well as the part which is known to have come through Broad Run. > > Thank you from John McLeod > > At 02:30 PM 7/17/08 -0400, "Emmert F. Bittinger" > <ebitting@bridgewater.edu> > wrote: >>An easy source for materials on Brethren History is the Brethren Press, >>1451 >>Dundee Ave., Elgin, Ill. 60120-1694. You could order an inexpensive paper >>back on Brethren History. Ask for "Heritage and Promise" a paperback, I >>think perhaps even less than $10.00, but I am not sure. Emmert Bittinger >> >> >> ------------------------ >>Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> ------------------------ >> Support Our Sponsoring Agency >> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) >>For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com >> ------------------------ >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>--- >>[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude] > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude] > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)

Hello Emmert, Thank you for your prompt reply. In response to your message appended below: 1) I have ready access to a microfiche copy of Henry. It has a great deal about the key figures, e.g., Leathermans, Fergusons, but does not delve into the minor characters for which I am looking. 2) This inquiry has nothing to do with McLeods. My McLoed ancestry came to America in 1907 and has no connection whatsoever with Brethren. 3) Only one quarter of my ancestry were Brethren, and that only some ways back. This branch goes through my maternal grandfather, Hugh Miller, born 2nd August 1867 in Doniphan County, Kansas. Hugh's parents, John Slifer Miller and Sarah Elizabeth Long, were married 9th May 1855, Reverend John Emmert of the Manor Church of the Brethren presiding. Sarah was first cousin to the Elder David Long who preached at the little church on the Antietam battlefield on the last Sunday before the great battle, with gunsmoke already hanging on South Mountain in the distance. Henry has a good deal to say about him. 4) I have found reason to suspect that I might be descended from the Joseph Miller who witnessed the will of Elder Daniel Leatherman and was executor of the will of William Ferguson. This is clearly the same Joseph Miller who was listed as an heir in the will of the Henry Miller whose wife was Catharine Bigler. Henry does mention the name, but only just barely. I need to find more details to determine the truth of this hypothesis. At 07:26 AM 7/20/08 -0400, "Emmert F. Bittinger" <ebitting@bridgewater.edu> wrote: >Hello John, > To answer your question. I don't have a copy of a separate history of >the Grossnickle Church, but I would suppose that the local leople do have >such a history written up. However, the book by Prof. J. M. Henry, History >of the Church of the Brethren in Maryland, (1930s) has a sizable history of >the congregation, with a special emphasis on Daniel Leatherman, founder of >the congregation. This book, of course, is now very rare and long out of >print. > I am wondering about your statement that "my ancestry came through >there". McLeod, of course, is not a German name, and these people would have >been German speaking. You may not have meant that they were Brethren at >that time? Of course, the wife sometimes married out of the church. How >did you mean that? > I checked my J. M. Henry book, but no McLeod name is indexed there, but >the index is quite inadequate, still unlikely that your ancesters on the >MdCleod side were Brethren.? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John McLeod" <jm6@hubwest.com> >To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 12:49 AM >Subject: Re: [BRE] Brethren history resources > > > > Has anyone ever written a little history of the Grossnickle COB, > > comparable > > to the ones that Austin Cooper has done for four other churches???? > > I am beginning to imagine that part of my ancestry came through there, as > > well as the part which is known to have come through Broad Run. > > > > Thank you from John McLeod > > > > At 02:30 PM 7/17/08 -0400, "Emmert F. Bittinger" > > <ebitting@bridgewater.edu> > > wrote: > >>An easy source for materials on Brethren History is the Brethren Press, > >>1451 > >>Dundee Ave., Elgin, Ill. 60120-1694. You could order an inexpensive paper > >>back on Brethren History. Ask for "Heritage and Promise" a paperback, I > >>think perhaps even less than $10.00, but I am not sure. Emmert Bittinger > >> > >> > >> ------------------------ > >>Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > >> ------------------------ > >> Support Our Sponsoring Agency > >> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > >>For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > >> ------------------------ > >> > >>------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>--- > >>[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude] > > > > --- > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude] > > > > > > ------------------------ > > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > > ------------------------ > > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > > ------------------------ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------ >Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) >For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message >--- >[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude]

I would strongly recommend getting this book on interlibrary loan, which I did several years ago. It has a picture of nearly every leader of the Brethren who it chooses to include with a bio, usually just about a page or two in length. It is really swell to look into the eyes of these actual leaders when they were alive, and read of their bios, written either shortly after their deaths or maybe some while they were still alive. There are 47 libraries that own this, and you should be able to get a copy even though it is approaching 100 years. Maybe if you wait until it is 100 years old you won't be able to get it any longer?? The title is: Some who led;or, Fathers in the Church of the Brethren who have passed over, Miller, D. L. 1841-1921. (Daniel Long), Royer, Galen Brown,; 1862- ; joint author. Publication: Elgin, Ill., Brethren Pub. House, Year: 1912 Description: 223 p. illus. (incl. ports.) 20 cm. It was written in an era when one on one personal contact and relationships were still valued. In this day and age when people write about others who they have never known personally it is somewhat refreshing to read such a book. Especially about so many people who sacrificed so much for the benefit of others. A must read for everyone on this list I would think, even those who think they know little or even those who think the know everything about the Brethren but never really lived like or knew personally these early Brethren who are really worthy of being called "leaders." They may be absent from many standard history books, but their stories speak about their own movements, family connections, joys and sorrows. Though not comprehensive by any means, it can provide some understanding of various Brethren churches in America and good geographic clues to your own families if you can tie them to the same churches or counties/towns, as good researchers will note parallels in movements in some of the ministers' families and their own. Richard B.

Does this book concentrate on a group of the church that lived in a certain area?  If so, which area?                          Thanks,   Sparky --- On Mon, 7/21/08, rricabee@aol.com <rricabee@aol.com> wrote: I would strongly recommend getting this book on interlibrary loan, which I did several years ago. It has a picture of nearly every leader of the Brethren who it chooses to include with a bio, usually just about a page or two in length. It is really swell to look into the eyes The title is: Some who led;or, Fathers in the Church of the Brethren who have passed over, It was written in an era when one on one personal contact and relationships were still valued. In this day and age when people write about others who they have never known personally it is somewhat refreshing to read such a book. Especially about so many people who sacrificed so much for the benefit of others. A must read for everyone on this list I would think, even those who think they know little or even those who think the know everything about the Brethren but never really  lived like or knew personally these early Brethren who are really worthy of being called "leaders." They may be absent from many Richard B.  

I was able to easily borrow a copy of this book through my library's Link+ system, but if you don't have that, you can get a copy thru an inter-library loan via your local library. It is a very worthwhile book. winter On Jul 20, 2008, at 4:26 AM, Emmert F. Bittinger wrote: > Hello John, > To answer your question. I don't have a copy of a separate > history of > the Grossnickle Church, but I would suppose that the local leople do > have > such a history written up. However, the book by Prof. J. M. Henry, > History > of the Church of the Brethren in Maryland, (1930s) has a sizable > history of > the congregation, with a special emphasis on Daniel Leatherman, > founder of > the congregation. This book, of course, is now very rare and long > out of > print. > I am wondering about your statement that "my ancestry came through > there". McLeod, of course, is not a German name, and these people > would have > been German speaking. You may not have meant that they were > Brethren at > that time? Of course, the wife sometimes married out of the > church. How > did you mean that? > I checked my J. M. Henry book, but no McLeod name is indexed > there, but > the index is quite inadequate, still unlikely that your ancesters on > the > MdCleod side were Brethren.? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John McLeod" <jm6@hubwest.com> > To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 12:49 AM > Subject: Re: [BRE] Brethren history resources > > >> Has anyone ever written a little history of the Grossnickle COB, >> comparable >> to the ones that Austin Cooper has done for four other churches???? >> I am beginning to imagine that part of my ancestry came through >> there, as >> well as the part which is known to have come through Broad Run. >> >> Thank you from John McLeod >> >> At 02:30 PM 7/17/08 -0400, "Emmert F. Bittinger" >> <ebitting@bridgewater.edu> >> wrote: >>> An easy source for materials on Brethren History is the Brethren >>> Press, >>> 1451 >>> Dundee Ave., Elgin, Ill. 60120-1694. You could order an >>> inexpensive paper >>> back on Brethren History. Ask for "Heritage and Promise" a >>> paperback, I >>> think perhaps even less than $10.00, but I am not sure. Emmert >>> Bittinger >>> >>> >>> ------------------------ >>> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ >>> BRETHREN >>> ------------------------ >>> Support Our Sponsoring Agency >>> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) >>> For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com >>> ------------------------ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> --- >>> [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude] >> >> --- >> [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude] >> >> >> ------------------------ >> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> ------------------------ >> Support Our Sponsoring Agency >> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) >> For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com >> ------------------------ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams > mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

It sounds like this was a different Rev. John Hamm, but just in case he had a son of the same name or changed his denominational affiliation I'll re-post this reference: http://www.heritagepursuit.com/Summit/SummitChapterXXVI.htm From a Summit Co. biography (Franklin Twp. was originally in Stark Co., which later became Summit): "Closely following the Methodist ministers in the pioneer days, were missionaries of the Reformed and Lutheran Churches, holding services in the German language. At that time, the differences between these two denominations were so slight that many families encouraged and supported ministers of both sects. It is said that Rev. John Hamm, a Reformed or German Presbyterian, first conducted services in a round log-house which stood on Phillip Hartong's farm, now owned by Jacob King. This building had formerly been used by Hartong as a residence, but when he built another cabin, his first rude home was donated for school and church purposes. Rev. Hamm lived at Manchester for many years, until he died some five years since. In the early days it was his custom to walk over from Manchester to this log building, accompanied by his wife ; he organized the Reformed Congregations in Green Township, both at Greensburg and East Liberty, and it is said those at Uniontown and Mud Brook. It is possible, however, that Rev. Wier, of the Lutheran, and Rev. Faust, of the Reformed Church, conducted services in Green Township, at private houses, before Rev. Hamm did, as they preached at Manchester before he appeared in this section of the State. " Richard B. Rev. John W. Hamm (1800-1872) is referred to in the Stark Co., OH, marriages as "German Presbyterian, VDM". Roger Rhoads