Unknown if William Bollen was German Baptist, but thought I'd ask about him. I'm curious about William Bollen who lived with my ancestor, Reverend Daniel Lane. Is anyone researching the Bollen family? Also, is anyone researching the Chartery family (see Census listed below)? Are Bollen & Lane were related at all? My Daniel Lane was a Reverend in the German Baptist church (Church of the Brethren)--was William a German Baptist? Why would William have been living with the Lanes? How long was William in the area & where did he come from? I know I'm asking a lot of questions, but I'm trying to understand more about my ancestor's life and trying to find new threads to search for my Lane family. I know VanKirks were near my Lanes--were the 2 families related at all? Was William just living with Daniel Lane and later with the Chartery family because William was older? ill? unable to work? or was he just helping on the farm? (note: no occupation listed; one time, his occupation is "No Business" (as best as I can read the words). Here is all I could find for William (are Matilda and Jane sisters to William? in the 1880 Census for Matilda & Jane): 1850 Census Name: William Bollen Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1800 Birth Place: Pennsylvania Gender: Male Home in 1850(City,County,State): South Strabane, Washington, Pennsylvania Household Members: Name Age William Bollen 50 Anna Lane 38 Daniel Lane 40 Mary J Lane 17 Robert J Lane 8 Robert P Lane 6 -- note: should say James Polk Lane) (This is my LANE Family. I descend == No 1860 - where did William go? === 1870 United States Federal Census about William Bolen Name: William Bolen Estimated Birth Year: abt 1802 Age in 1870: 68 Birthplace: Pennsylvania Home in 1870: South Strabane, Washington, Pennsylvania Race: White Gender: Male Value of real estate: View Image Post Office: Washington Household Members: Name Age Matild Chartery 47 George Chartery 23 William Chartery 18 Margaret Chartery 13 William Bolen 68 Anyone researching the Chartery family? === === No 1880 - where did William go? ======== Matilda Bollen Home in 1880: Washington, Washington, Pennsylvania Age: 76 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1804 Birthplace: Pennsylvania Relation to Head of Household: Sister Father's birthplace: England Mother's birthplace: New Jersey Neighbors: View others on page Occupation: Deff & Dumb Marital Status: Single Race: White Gender: Female Household Members: Name Age Jane B. Praul 78 Matilda Bollen 76 Eliza Denormandie 60 ======= MaryluMertz27 Contact Has a PUBLIC tree that includes: Name: Margaret Bollen Birth: 1796 - PA Death: 01 Mar 1875 - Strabane, Washington, PA Sources: 2 Tree Name: My Van Kirk Family Name: Margaret Bollen Birth Date: 1796 Birth Place: PA Death Date: 1875 Death Place: PA Are sisters Jane B. Praul and Matilda Bollen related to William Bollen? === Thank you for any tidbits you can share, Judy Florian

Try: http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/bah/dam/landrec.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: <Holysistersarah@aol.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Christian Schneider Patent > Where online di you find the land surveys? > > thanks > > +pray for peace > Sarah

Judy, look in Durnbaugh's "Brethren in Colonial America," page 603, for the translated-into-English version. That's where I found Gertrude and Magdalena. If you want the German language version as well you will have to look in "The Day Book/Account Book of Alexander Mack, Jr.," Kutztown, Pennsylvania, The Pennsylvania German Society, 2004. Neither is online to my knowledge. Dwayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Florian" <cageycat@gmail.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Gertrude and Magdalena > Dwayne, > > I don't know the family but could you tell us more about this > Register? Is it online or accessible for researchers? > > Judy > > On 7/25/08, Dwayne Wrightsman <dwayne55@comcast.net> wrote: >> There were two back-to-back entries in the Death Register kept by >> Alexander >> Mack Jr. that read: >> 276. old single Sister Gertrude >> 277. old sickly Sister Magdalena >> >> I am speculating that these were the two Pettikoffer sisters who came >> over >> with their parents on the Ship Allen in 1729. Both were reported with >> their >> mother, Anna Elizabeth, on the list of female passengers. >> >> Can anyone support or refute my speculation? >> >> Dwayne Wrightsman

Dwayne, I don't know the family but could you tell us more about this Register? Is it online or accessible for researchers? Judy On 7/25/08, Dwayne Wrightsman <dwayne55@comcast.net> wrote: > There were two back-to-back entries in the Death Register kept by Alexander > Mack Jr. that read: > 276. old single Sister Gertrude > 277. old sickly Sister Magdalena > > I am speculating that these were the two Pettikoffer sisters who came over > with their parents on the Ship Allen in 1729. Both were reported with their > mother, Anna Elizabeth, on the list of female passengers. > > Can anyone support or refute my speculation? > > Dwayne Wrightsman

Where online di you find the land surveys? thanks +pray for peace Sarah **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)

For what state? By survey, do you mean plat maps of townships? Surveys may be contained within county records; and you should contact the county recorder's office (or whatever it is called in each locale). They may offer them online as they do where I live; or you may have to go there and pay for a copy. Surveys are usually purchased (completed) to identify property boundaries. Plat maps are kept by the county recorder to more readily identify property ownership--with the legal descriptions recorded by deed.

David, As explained in Bill Thomas's message, the process of warrant-survey-patent was a long process, often, if not usually, taking many years. The patentee was often on the land prior to obtaining the patent (legal ownership). In the case of warrantee "Christopher Kalligleser," he could have been on the land for many years before it was patented by "Christian Snyder" in 1762. Kalckloeser may have died prior to 1762, and Schneider, being Kalckloeser's brother-in-law, may have picked it up in the settlement. Alternatively, Kalckloeser may have wanted to vacate the land and found his brother-in-law willing to take it over and patent it. Many things are possible. There were two surveys of the land, C-107-131 and A-53-193, which I found online. These surveys are just like the ones that are still done today, i.e., a map of the property with the names of the surrounding neighbors. On the C-107-131 survey that I downloaded, the property was shown and described as being in Heidelberg Township (was Lancaster, now Berks) on Licking Run which is a branch of Tulpehocken Creek. If I were in your shoes, I would research Christopher Kalckloesser (zillion spellings of this name) in terms of where he paid taxes and when and where he died. I look forward to seeing how you integrate this into your existing Christian Schneider research. Dwayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Myers" <myerswd@juno.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Christian Schneider Patent > Dwayne, > > What a great find! You are doing some important work on these families. > I am a little confused about the terms that are used in these types of > transactions. If you don't mind, perhaps you could summarize them a > little. I'm sure that it would help other researchers on the list. For > instance, what exactly is a person doing when they "warrant" a piece of > land? Do they gain legal possession of it, does money change hands, > etc.? If that is the case, I don't know what the patenting part of the > transaction would add. Very confusing. > > In this particular case, it seems odd that Christian Schneider would be > associated with this piece of land since he lived in an area that is now > in eastern Lancaster County. The area that you describe is more like the > area that the Kitzmillers lived in, so I wonder if Christian Schneider > was acting for them for some reason or there was something else going on > that my lack of understanding of these land transactions blinds me to. > And it's puzzling how far apart the patent and warrant were. Maybe this > makes sense if a person has more knowledge on this subject. > > David Myers > > > On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:12:19 -0400 "Dwayne Wrightsman" > <dwayne55@comcast.net> writes: >> I have stumbled upon a warrant, survey, and patent that seems to tie >> Christian Schneider (married Susanna Mack) to Christophel >> Kalckglasser (married Maria Mack). "Christian Kalligleaser" >> warranted 200 acres on a brook of Tulpehocken Creek on 19 August >> 1738. The land was surveyed as 226 acres on 14 May 1740 >> (C-107-131). The tract was patented 29 November 1762 by "Christian >> Snyder" (AA-4-78). The land was located in that part of Lancaster >> County that became Berks County. >> >> Susanna Mack and Maria Mack were sisters who came over with their >> young husbands from Surhuisterveen to Philadelphia on the Ship Allen >> in 1729. >> >> Question for David Myers: Does any of this fit into your research >> findings about the mysterious Christian Sneider? >> >> Dwayne Wrightsman

Janet said: I was able to go back another 4 generations on one of my main lines and have come to NEWCOMER, which I have been led to believe is Swiss and Mennonite. This is the link to the Mennonite "Herald of Truth" obituary list: http://www.mcusa-archives.org/MennObits/index2.html You will find numerous Newcomer names listed, so Newcomer is a Mennonite surname. Also Newcomer was an Anabaptist name in Switzerland (Swiss Anabaptists took on the Mennonite label when they came to America). One book I have notes of the persecution of a "Taufer" Neukommet" family in the Thun district of Switzerland. Anabaptists were called "Taufer" in the German language. Bill Thomas

Those particular names were easy, since those families were the original immigrants of Somerset County, and I'm related to all of them. But in general the starting point is the "bible" of Amish Mennonite genealogy, which is Gingrich & Kreider's "Amish and Amish Mennonite Genealogies." Also, the Amish/Mennonites have a long running publication that lists obituaries back to the Civil War era, and the Brethren have publications that go back before the Civil War that lists obituaries. If you are going back to the 18th Century, you really need to know your history, and understand migration patterns. Most Amish, Mennonites and Brethren traveled in groups, and settled in the same communities. To assist in the early periods there are also numerous articles and books on the Amish, Mennonite, and Brethren genealogy and history, including "Mennonite Family History" magazine. "Mennonite Family History" also includes a number of Brethren articles including a number written by Emmert Bittinger and Dwayne Wrightsman, and of course the Fellowship of Brethren Genealogists newsletters. Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Rogers Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 9:27 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRE] Brethren -Mennonite - Amish names Almost all of these family names have Somerset County connections, and were Amish or Mennonite prior to being Brethren. May I ask how one can tell if the surname is Amish, Mennonite or Brethren? I was able to go back another 4 generations on one of my main lines and have come to NEWCOMER, which I have been led to believe is Swiss and Mennonite. How can someone tell this by the surname. Many Blessings, Janet ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Almost all of these family names have Somerset County connections, and were Amish or Mennonite prior to being Brethren. May I ask how one can tell if the surname is Amish, Mennonite or Brethren? I was able to go back another 4 generations on one of my main lines and have come to NEWCOMER, which I have been led to believe is Swiss and Mennonite. How can someone tell this by the surname. Many Blessings, Janet

Almost all of these family names have Somerset County connections, and were Amish or Mennonite prior to being Brethren. I also have non-Brethren relations who moved from Somerset County to Black Hawk County, Iowa. Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of DebbyBliss@aol.com Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 6:48 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRE] So. Waterloo CoB, Waterloo, IA,early families & church description I don't have any direct ancestors who lived at Waterloo, IA, but a number of descendants of my directs moved there from Somerset Co., PA, along with others. A friend I correspond with has a subscription to a newspaper database. She ran across the following article on the South Waterloo Church of the Brethren and sent it to me. I thought it would be of interest to some on the Brethren mailing list. This is located in Orange Twp., Black Hawk Co., IA. This article describes the church building erected in 1913. I googled "south waterloo church" "church of the brethren" and found a couple of photos on the bottom of the page at this address: _http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://scottwebbconcrete.com/images/ image54thumb.jpg&imgrefurl=http://scottwebbconcrete.com/churches.htm&h=119&w =11 9&sz=8&hl=en&start=18&tbnid=R2plDGaI6MStKM:&tbnh=88&tbnw=88&prev=/images%3Fq %3 D%2522south%2Bwaterloo%2Bchurch%2522%2B%2522church%2Bof%2Bthe%2Bbrethren%252 2% 26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG_ (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://scottwebbconcrete.com/images/ image54thumb.jpg&imgrefurl=http://scottwebbconcret e.com/churches.htm&h=119&w=119&sz=8&hl=en&start=18&tbnid=R2plDGaI6MStKM:&tbn h= 88&tbnw=88&prev=/images?q=%22south+waterloo+church%22+%22church+of+the+breth re n%22&gbv=2&hl=en&sa=G) Under "Historical Sketch" below it mentions when several of the families moved to Black Hawk Co., IA. A number of the families have Beeghly ancestry. Some of the spelling variations include: Buechley, Bueghly, Beekley, Beeghley, etc. Many in this family later changed the spelling to Bickley after the move to IA. I have tried to identify many of the people mentioned. Some of the families mentioned in the article include: Lewis Berkley b 1839, wife Minnie Bauman (Lewis s/o Ludwig Berkley and Sarah Buechley) Elias K. Buechley b 1812, wife Barbara Good, d/o Jacob and Polly Dr. John A. Buechley b 1819, wife Anna Good, d/o Jacob and Polly Martin Buechley b 1827, wife Susan Saylor, d/o Jacob and Barbara John Dull b 1821, wife Sarah Jane Saylor, s/o Jacob and Barbara Jacob C. Fike b 1821, wife Elizabeth Blough, d/o John and Fannie Jonas Flickinger b 1830, wife Caroline Berkley, d/o Jonathan and Elizabeth Ephraim Lichty b 1846, wife Sarah Miller, s/o William and Lydia John A. Lichty b 1819, wife Lena Fike, d/o Jacob and Susanna David Meyers b 1831, wife Mary Hess (David s/o Michael Jr.) Abraham Miller b 1813, wife Salome Forney, d/o John Forney and Susanna Beeghly Daniel A. Miller b 1821, wife Elizabeth Weller J. W. Miller (may be Jacob W) b 1844, wives Charlote Walker and Maggie Mary Maust Matthias Miller b 1822, wife Mary Berkley, d/o Ludwig Berkley and Sarah Buechley Samuel M. Miller b 1833, wife Anna Beekley, d/o Elias K. and Barbara Good William Miller b 1827, wives Lydia Fike, d/o Jacob & Susanna and Abbie Buechley, d/o Elias K. At the bottom of the article it mentions Rev. A. P. Blough and Dr. J. E. Miller. These were Albert Perry Blough and John Ezra Miller. From what I've been able to find, John Ezra Miller's wife was a first cousin to Albert Perry Blough. The newspaper article from 22 Nov 1913 follows. Now Orange Church a Paragon of Simple Beauty and Utility Edifice Erected by the Church of the Brethren in Orange Township Will Be Dedicated on Thanksgiving-Bishop J. J. Yoder to Deliver Chier Address-Structure Has Cost Approximately $30,000 Marked by its simple beauty and substantial construction, the new edifice built by the Orange township Church of the Brethren, will be dedicated on Thanksgiving day. No stones will be left unturned by the church authorities to insure the success of the dedicatory program, which will culminate more than a year of ceaseless activity on the part of the congregation to achieve its purpose-the completion of a house of worship, adequate for the needs of the present and future generations. Structure Cost $30,000 The new church cost approximately $30,000. It consists of a main building 93 feet 9 inches long and 56 feet 8 inches wide. The main part is practically octagonal in form with sides of unequal length, while the annex is built in the form of a rectangle. Solid brick, hollow building tile and Bedford stone are the chief materials used in the construction of the building, the stone being utilized to trim the exterior and beautify it. Four entrances, facing the east, west, southeast and southwest, lead into a like number of vestibules leading to the interior of the edifice. The main entrance is at the southwest corner, and it affords an unobstructed and beautiful landscape view for a considerable distance around. The tower is built directly above the main vestibule. Interior Is Beautiful. In a word, simplicity is the striking feature of he interior of the building. On the basement floor have been installed the furnace room, the kitchen, primary department, dining room, mothers' room and toilets. Two stairways at the east and west, something on the spiral order, lead the visitor from the basement to the main auditorium, the main floor of the annex, and from thence to the galleries above. The pews in the main auditorium are arranged in semi-circular form, so that all worshipers can have a full view of the pulpit, which is located at the east side of the main building, in close proximity to the point where the annex joins it. Immediately back of the pulpit is the baptistery, two sliding doors opening into it, making it possible for the entire congregation to witness the baptismal service. Candidates for baptism will be admitted through an end door. The gallery of the main auditorium is likewise constructed somewhat on the semi-circular order, the seats being arranged in tiers, so that the view of none will be obstructed. In the center of the ceiling an air vent has been installed and, radiating from the dome to the points where the dome lines merges into the vertical lines, are a number of substantial beams. Annex Arranged Differently. Different architectural lines have been followed in the construction of the annex. The small auditorium in this part of the building is semi-circular in form, but at its outer edge ar seven Sunday school rooms, each one of which is numbered. The same identical plan has been followed in building the gallery above and a like number of rooms of equal dimensions is found there. An air vent has been installed in the ceiling at a central point, and four groups of three electric lights each are arranged in symmetrical order around it. The same lighting system has been followed in the main auditorium with the exception that the lights are studded in the large beams radiating from the dome. A number of small rooms, that will serve for various purposes, are located on the first floor of the annex. Stained glass opal windows put the finishing touches on both the exterior and interior schemes. Complete Electric Plant The electric plant will be complete within itself. A generator is located in the furnace room and wires radiating from it, together with a number of gaslights that have been installed, will illuminate the rooms splendidly. The building will be heated by steam. History of Church. Perhaps the most important and significant event in the history of the Orange township church-excepting its formal inception-occurred in 1870 when the national conference of this denomination was conducted in the old meeting house which is still standing, but which will soon be razed. Men and women in large numbers journey from their homes in various sections of the country to participate in the gathering. Ephriam L. Lichty, a member of the Orange church, recalled yesterday that he helped to convey the scores of visitors from Waterloo to the meeting house in wagons that were most primitive in construction. The national conference at that time was about as large from a commercial standpoint as the district organization, embracing northern Iowa, South Dakota and Minnesota, is at present. Historical Sketch. Possibly the first member of the Church of the Brethren to set foot on the soil of Black Hawk county was Martin Buechley, who came from Allamakee county in 1854. With several other families, he had emigrated from Somerset county, Pa., in the early fifties and settled in the vicinity of Prairie du Chien, Wis., but conditions not proving congenial and after three members of the little colony had died, Mr. Buechley set out on a tour of investigation. Somehow, and it seems providential, he came to Waterloo, which was then a village of a few scattered houses located almost entirely on the west side of the Cedar river. He returned and moved his family to Waterloo some time during 1855. In the spring of 1856 Matthias Miller, with his family and a few other, came from Somerset county, Pa. The same year the families of John Speicher and John Dull came from Allamakee county. Others located her about as follows: Samuel M. Miller in 1858, William Miller and Jonas Flickinger in the spring of 1860, John A. Lichty, with a company of about sixty persons, in the fall of 1860, Elias K. Buechley and family in 1861. Dr. John A. Buechley and family, Abraham Miller, Daniel A. Miller, the Hoffs, J. W. Miller, Jacob C. Fike, Jacob J. Schrock, Ephriam Lichty and Samuel Smith followed some years later. The organization, which proved to be the foundation of the South Waterloo church, was effected at the home of Martin Buechley, who was then living on what is now lower Jefferson street in Waterloo. The following is a list of he charter members: Martin Buechley and his wife Susan Buechley; David Meyers, his wife Mary Meyers, and their daughter, Mary; Joseph Ogg and his wife, Susan Ogg, John Fillmore, a minister, and his wife, Sarah Fillmore; Matthias Miller and his wife, Mary Miller. The formal organization was effected in May, 1856. On the same day that the church was organized an election was held for a minister. Joseph Ogg was chosen and installed. David Meyers was the first deacon, being in that official capacity when he came to Waterloo. During this same summer Mr. and Mrs. John Dull were baptized, they being the first to be received into the new congregation by baptism. The first regular meeting place in Waterloo was in Capwell's hall, a two-story stone building on the corner of Fifth and Commercial streets, directly opposite the site that is now occupied by the new Russell-Lamson hotel. The first meetings in Orange township were held at the home of a Mr. Starr, who lived in a small loghouse located between the present homes of N. J. Fike and J. J. Berkley, in what was then known as the "log house in the locust grove." In later years as the township became more thickly settled and schoolhouses were erected, the meetings were held at four different places in the township, the schoolhouses being used for this purpose. For lovefeast occasions the pioneers used the newly built barns, such as those erected by John Hoff, Lewis Berkley and John A. Lichty. In 1867 plans were formulated for the erection of a permanent churh building. A building committee was appointed as follows: Samuel M. Miller, William Miller and Cornelius Miller. Money was solicited and during the winter of 1867-68 most of the material was put on the ground, and in the spring of 1868 active building operations were started. The actual cost of the building was $7,169.80, besides considerable donations in the form of labor, material, etc. And it might be interesting to add that the pioneers overcame a wealth of obstacles in raising the necessary funds. A special meeting was arranged for in April, 1912. At this meeting it was decided to appoint a committee of five as an investigation committee, authorizing it to report at the next regular business meeting. At a special meeting in August, 1912, the committee made its final report as an investigating committee, which was accepted. At the same meeting a building committee was selected, its chief duty being to raise funds for the erection of the new building. The contract for the building was awarded December, 1912, to Lauritzen & Wasson, general contractors; the heating and plumbing contract to Zook & Bentz, that for pews and chairs to the American Seating Co., while the wiring and electrical fixtures were installed by Hitchcock & Humphrey. Dedicatory Program at 10:30 A. M. Song. "Holy, Holy, Holy." Song, "Come, Thou Almighty King." Chorus, "All Hail, Immanuel." Scripture reading and prayer-Bishop I. W. Brubaker. Chorus, "Praise Ye the Lord." Dedicatory sermon-Bishop J. J. Yoder. Dedicatory prayer-Bishop John Zuck. "Song, "I Need Thee Every Hour." Offering. Benediction. Afternoon Service, 2:30 O'clock. Song, "Since I Have Been Redemed." Chorus, "Hark! The Song of Jubilee." Scripture reading and prayer-Bishop W. H. Hood. Song, "Grace enough for Me." Sermon-Bishop John Zuck. Prayer-Bishop J. J. Yoder. Chorus, "O Make Me Wise." Doxology and benediction. Evangelistic service at 7:30 p.., in charge of Bishop Yoder. A basket dinner will be served the visitors on Thursday in the old church building by the members of this congregation. Letter from Dr. Miller. Rev. A. P. Blough, pastor of the church, received a letter from Dr. J. E. Miller, president of Mount Morris college, who was invited to attend the dedication, stating that he will be here if possible. This is an unusually busy season at Mount Morris and a multiplicity of duties may interfere with Dr. Miller's plans to come to Waterloo. --Waterloo Evening Courier, Waterloo, Iowa (Saturday 22 Nov 1913) w/picture of Bishop J.J. Yoder and one of the church. **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. 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What follows is an explanation from a paper presented by a Joseph P. Wolf in 1999. "In Pennsylvania, there were five steps in the land patent process. The first step was the application by the potential settler for land to be granted by the proprietors or state government. After the application was made, the land officer issued a warrant, simply an order given to survey the desired land. Next, the deputy surveyor made a survey of the land applied for. This survey was a graphic representation of the land to be purchased drawn to approximate scale with names of owners of adjacent property or any waterways or other natural landmarks that would define the boundaries of the property. Then the land office made an official return of survey, which was a reiteration of the warrant and survey order and a statement of confirmation of payment of fees, etc. The last step in the process was the issuance of the patent, the official deed transferring land from the proprietor (or state government) to the individual." I should add that the warrantee and the patentee are often different people. I have also found the names listed in the PA Archives for patentees are not always the names show in Somerset County Courthouse documents, which contains the surveys. Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Myers Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 8:16 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] Christian Schneider Patent Dwayne, What a great find! You are doing some important work on these families. I am a little confused about the terms that are used in these types of transactions. If you don't mind, perhaps you could summarize them a little. I'm sure that it would help other researchers on the list. For instance, what exactly is a person doing when they "warrant" a piece of land? Do they gain legal possession of it, does money change hands, etc.? If that is the case, I don't know what the patenting part of the transaction would add. Very confusing. In this particular case, it seems odd that Christian Schneider would be associated with this piece of land since he lived in an area that is now in eastern Lancaster County. The area that you describe is more like the area that the Kitzmillers lived in, so I wonder if Christian Schneider was acting for them for some reason or there was something else going on that my lack of understanding of these land transactions blinds me to. And it's puzzling how far apart the patent and warrant were. Maybe this makes sense if a person has more knowledge on this subject. David Myers On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:12:19 -0400 "Dwayne Wrightsman" <dwayne55@comcast.net> writes: > I have stumbled upon a warrant, survey, and patent that seems to tie > Christian Schneider (married Susanna Mack) to Christophel > Kalckglasser (married Maria Mack). "Christian Kalligleaser" > warranted 200 acres on a brook of Tulpehocken Creek on 19 August > 1738. The land was surveyed as 226 acres on 14 May 1740 > (C-107-131). The tract was patented 29 November 1762 by "Christian > Snyder" (AA-4-78). The land was located in that part of Lancaster > County that became Berks County. > > Susanna Mack and Maria Mack were sisters who came over with their > young husbands from Surhuisterveen to Philadelphia on the Ship Allen > in 1729. > > Question for David Myers: Does any of this fit into your research > findings about the mysterious Christian Sneider? > > Dwayne Wrightsman ____________________________________________________________ Free info for small business owners. Click here to find great products geared for your business. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m7tDKS1Khzim6KD8u157W4nM3 P52rbdXOVQoHPVeyaRP2FC/ ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dwayne, What a great find! You are doing some important work on these families. I am a little confused about the terms that are used in these types of transactions. If you don't mind, perhaps you could summarize them a little. I'm sure that it would help other researchers on the list. For instance, what exactly is a person doing when they "warrant" a piece of land? Do they gain legal possession of it, does money change hands, etc.? If that is the case, I don't know what the patenting part of the transaction would add. Very confusing. In this particular case, it seems odd that Christian Schneider would be associated with this piece of land since he lived in an area that is now in eastern Lancaster County. The area that you describe is more like the area that the Kitzmillers lived in, so I wonder if Christian Schneider was acting for them for some reason or there was something else going on that my lack of understanding of these land transactions blinds me to. And it's puzzling how far apart the patent and warrant were. Maybe this makes sense if a person has more knowledge on this subject. David Myers On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:12:19 -0400 "Dwayne Wrightsman" <dwayne55@comcast.net> writes: > I have stumbled upon a warrant, survey, and patent that seems to tie > Christian Schneider (married Susanna Mack) to Christophel > Kalckglasser (married Maria Mack). "Christian Kalligleaser" > warranted 200 acres on a brook of Tulpehocken Creek on 19 August > 1738. The land was surveyed as 226 acres on 14 May 1740 > (C-107-131). The tract was patented 29 November 1762 by "Christian > Snyder" (AA-4-78). The land was located in that part of Lancaster > County that became Berks County. > > Susanna Mack and Maria Mack were sisters who came over with their > young husbands from Surhuisterveen to Philadelphia on the Ship Allen > in 1729. > > Question for David Myers: Does any of this fit into your research > findings about the mysterious Christian Sneider? > > Dwayne Wrightsman ____________________________________________________________ Free info for small business owners. Click here to find great products geared for your business. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m7tDKS1Khzim6KD8u157W4nM3P52rbdXOVQoHPVeyaRP2FC/

I don't have any direct ancestors who lived at Waterloo, IA, but a number of descendants of my directs moved there from Somerset Co., PA, along with others. A friend I correspond with has a subscription to a newspaper database. She ran across the following article on the South Waterloo Church of the Brethren and sent it to me. I thought it would be of interest to some on the Brethren mailing list. This is located in Orange Twp., Black Hawk Co., IA. This article describes the church building erected in 1913. I googled "south waterloo church" "church of the brethren" and found a couple of photos on the bottom of the page at this address: _http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://scottwebbconcrete.com/images/image54thumb.jpg&imgrefurl=http://scottwebbconcrete.com/churches.htm&h=119&w=11 9&sz=8&hl=en&start=18&tbnid=R2plDGaI6MStKM:&tbnh=88&tbnw=88&prev=/images%3Fq%3 D%2522south%2Bwaterloo%2Bchurch%2522%2B%2522church%2Bof%2Bthe%2Bbrethren%2522% 26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG_ (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://scottwebbconcrete.com/images/image54thumb.jpg&imgrefurl=http://scottwebbconcret e.com/churches.htm&h=119&w=119&sz=8&hl=en&start=18&tbnid=R2plDGaI6MStKM:&tbnh= 88&tbnw=88&prev=/images?q=%22south+waterloo+church%22+%22church+of+the+brethre n%22&gbv=2&hl=en&sa=G) Under "Historical Sketch" below it mentions when several of the families moved to Black Hawk Co., IA. A number of the families have Beeghly ancestry. Some of the spelling variations include: Buechley, Bueghly, Beekley, Beeghley, etc. Many in this family later changed the spelling to Bickley after the move to IA. I have tried to identify many of the people mentioned. Some of the families mentioned in the article include: Lewis Berkley b 1839, wife Minnie Bauman (Lewis s/o Ludwig Berkley and Sarah Buechley) Elias K. Buechley b 1812, wife Barbara Good, d/o Jacob and Polly Dr. John A. Buechley b 1819, wife Anna Good, d/o Jacob and Polly Martin Buechley b 1827, wife Susan Saylor, d/o Jacob and Barbara John Dull b 1821, wife Sarah Jane Saylor, s/o Jacob and Barbara Jacob C. Fike b 1821, wife Elizabeth Blough, d/o John and Fannie Jonas Flickinger b 1830, wife Caroline Berkley, d/o Jonathan and Elizabeth Ephraim Lichty b 1846, wife Sarah Miller, s/o William and Lydia John A. Lichty b 1819, wife Lena Fike, d/o Jacob and Susanna David Meyers b 1831, wife Mary Hess (David s/o Michael Jr.) Abraham Miller b 1813, wife Salome Forney, d/o John Forney and Susanna Beeghly Daniel A. Miller b 1821, wife Elizabeth Weller J. W. Miller (may be Jacob W) b 1844, wives Charlote Walker and Maggie Mary Maust Matthias Miller b 1822, wife Mary Berkley, d/o Ludwig Berkley and Sarah Buechley Samuel M. Miller b 1833, wife Anna Beekley, d/o Elias K. and Barbara Good William Miller b 1827, wives Lydia Fike, d/o Jacob & Susanna and Abbie Buechley, d/o Elias K. At the bottom of the article it mentions Rev. A. P. Blough and Dr. J. E. Miller. These were Albert Perry Blough and John Ezra Miller. From what I've been able to find, John Ezra Miller's wife was a first cousin to Albert Perry Blough. The newspaper article from 22 Nov 1913 follows. Now Orange Church a Paragon of Simple Beauty and Utility Edifice Erected by the Church of the Brethren in Orange Township Will Be Dedicated on Thanksgiving—Bishop J. J. Yoder to Deliver Chier Address—Structure Has Cost Approximately $30,000 Marked by its simple beauty and substantial construction, the new edifice built by the Orange township Church of the Brethren, will be dedicated on Thanksgiving day. No stones will be left unturned by the church authorities to insure the success of the dedicatory program, which will culminate more than a year of ceaseless activity on the part of the congregation to achieve its purpose-the completion of a house of worship, adequate for the needs of the present and future generations. Structure Cost $30,000 The new church cost approximately $30,000. It consists of a main building 93 feet 9 inches long and 56 feet 8 inches wide. The main part is practically octagonal in form with sides of unequal length, while the annex is built in the form of a rectangle. Solid brick, hollow building tile and Bedford stone are the chief materials used in the construction of the building, the stone being utilized to trim the exterior and beautify it. Four entrances, facing the east, west, southeast and southwest, lead into a like number of vestibules leading to the interior of the edifice. The main entrance is at the southwest corner, and it affords an unobstructed and beautiful landscape view for a considerable distance around. The tower is built directly above the main vestibule. Interior Is Beautiful. In a word, simplicity is the striking feature of he interior of the building. On the basement floor have been installed the furnace room, the kitchen, primary department, dining room, mothers’ room and toilets. Two stairways at the east and west, something on the spiral order, lead the visitor from the basement to the main auditorium, the main floor of the annex, and from thence to the galleries above. The pews in the main auditorium are arranged in semi-circular form, so that all worshipers can have a full view of the pulpit, which is located at the east side of the main building, in close proximity to the point where the annex joins it. Immediately back of the pulpit is the baptistery, two sliding doors opening into it, making it possible for the entire congregation to witness the baptismal service. Candidates for baptism will be admitted through an end door. The gallery of the main auditorium is likewise constructed somewhat on the semi-circular order, the seats being arranged in tiers, so that the view of none will be obstructed. In the center of the ceiling an air vent has been installed and, radiating from the dome to the points where the dome lines merges into the vertical lines, are a number of substantial beams. Annex Arranged Differently. Different architectural lines have been followed in the construction of the annex. The small auditorium in this part of the building is semi-circular in form, but at its outer edge ar seven Sunday school rooms, each one of which is numbered. The same identical plan has been followed in building the gallery above and a like number of rooms of equal dimensions is found there. An air vent has been installed in the ceiling at a central point, and four groups of three electric lights each are arranged in symmetrical order around it. The same lighting system has been followed in the main auditorium with the exception that the lights are studded in the large beams radiating from the dome. A number of small rooms, that will serve for various purposes, are located on the first floor of the annex. Stained glass opal windows put the finishing touches on both the exterior and interior schemes. Complete Electric Plant The electric plant will be complete within itself. A generator is located in the furnace room and wires radiating from it, together with a number of gaslights that have been installed, will illuminate the rooms splendidly. The building will be heated by steam. History of Church. Perhaps the most important and significant event in the history of the Orange township church—excepting its formal inception—occurred in 1870 when the national conference of this denomination was conducted in the old meeting house which is still standing, but which will soon be razed. Men and women in large numbers journey from their homes in various sections of the country to participate in the gathering. Ephriam L. Lichty, a member of the Orange church, recalled yesterday that he helped to convey the scores of visitors from Waterloo to the meeting house in wagons that were most primitive in construction. The national conference at that time was about as large from a commercial standpoint as the district organization, embracing northern Iowa, South Dakota and Minnesota, is at present. Historical Sketch. Possibly the first member of the Church of the Brethren to set foot on the soil of Black Hawk county was Martin Buechley, who came from Allamakee county in 1854. With several other families, he had emigrated from Somerset county, Pa., in the early fifties and settled in the vicinity of Prairie du Chien, Wis., but conditions not proving congenial and after three members of the little colony had died, Mr. Buechley set out on a tour of investigation. Somehow, and it seems providential, he came to Waterloo, which was then a village of a few scattered houses located almost entirely on the west side of the Cedar river. He returned and moved his family to Waterloo some time during 1855. In the spring of 1856 Matthias Miller, with his family and a few other, came from Somerset county, Pa. The same year the families of John Speicher and John Dull came from Allamakee county. Others located her about as follows: Samuel M. Miller in 1858, William Miller and Jonas Flickinger in the spring of 1860, John A. Lichty, with a company of about sixty persons, in the fall of 1860, Elias K. Buechley and family in 1861. Dr. John A. Buechley and family, Abraham Miller, Daniel A. Miller, the Hoffs, J. W. Miller, Jacob C. Fike, Jacob J. Schrock, Ephriam Lichty and Samuel Smith followed some years later. The organization, which proved to be the foundation of the South Waterloo church, was effected at the home of Martin Buechley, who was then living on what is now lower Jefferson street in Waterloo. The following is a list of he charter members: Martin Buechley and his wife Susan Buechley; David Meyers, his wife Mary Meyers, and their daughter, Mary; Joseph Ogg and his wife, Susan Ogg, John Fillmore, a minister, and his wife, Sarah Fillmore; Matthias Miller and his wife, Mary Miller. The formal organization was effected in May, 1856. On the same day that the church was organized an election was held for a minister. Joseph Ogg was chosen and installed. David Meyers was the first deacon, being in that official capacity when he came to Waterloo. During this same summer Mr. and Mrs. John Dull were baptized, they being the first to be received into the new congregation by baptism. The first regular meeting place in Waterloo was in Capwell’s hall, a two-story stone building on the corner of Fifth and Commercial streets, directly opposite the site that is now occupied by the new Russell-Lamson hotel. The first meetings in Orange township were held at the home of a Mr. Starr, who lived in a small loghouse located between the present homes of N. J. Fike and J. J. Berkley, in what was then known as the “log house in the locust grove.” In later years as the township became more thickly settled and schoolhouses were erected, the meetings were held at four different places in the township, the schoolhouses being used for this purpose. For lovefeast occasions the pioneers used the newly built barns, such as those erected by John Hoff, Lewis Berkley and John A. Lichty. In 1867 plans were formulated for the erection of a permanent churh building. A building committee was appointed as follows: Samuel M. Miller, William Miller and Cornelius Miller. Money was solicited and during the winter of 1867-68 most of the material was put on the ground, and in the spring of 1868 active building operations were started. The actual cost of the building was $7,169.80, besides considerable donations in the form of labor, material, etc. And it might be interesting to add that the pioneers overcame a wealth of obstacles in raising the necessary funds. A special meeting was arranged for in April, 1912. At this meeting it was decided to appoint a committee of five as an investigation committee, authorizing it to report at the next regular business meeting. At a special meeting in August, 1912, the committee made its final report as an investigating committee, which was accepted. At the same meeting a building committee was selected, its chief duty being to raise funds for the erection of the new building. The contract for the building was awarded December, 1912, to Lauritzen & Wasson, general contractors; the heating and plumbing contract to Zook & Bentz, that for pews and chairs to the American Seating Co., while the wiring and electrical fixtures were installed by Hitchcock & Humphrey. Dedicatory Program at 10:30 A. M. Song. “Holy, Holy, Holy.” Song, “Come, Thou Almighty King.” Chorus, “All Hail, Immanuel.” Scripture reading and prayer—Bishop I. W. Brubaker. Chorus, “Praise Ye the Lord.” Dedicatory sermon—Bishop J. J. Yoder. Dedicatory prayer—Bishop John Zuck. “Song, “I Need Thee Every Hour.” Offering. Benediction. Afternoon Service, 2:30 O’clock. Song, “Since I Have Been Redemed.” Chorus, “Hark! The Song of Jubilee.” Scripture reading and prayer—Bishop W. H. Hood. Song, “Grace enough for Me.” Sermon—Bishop John Zuck. Prayer—Bishop J. J. Yoder. Chorus, “O Make Me Wise.” Doxology and benediction. Evangelistic service at 7:30 p.., in charge of Bishop Yoder. A basket dinner will be served the visitors on Thursday in the old church building by the members of this congregation. Letter from Dr. Miller. Rev. A. P. Blough, pastor of the church, received a letter from Dr. J. E. Miller, president of Mount Morris college, who was invited to attend the dedication, stating that he will be here if possible. This is an unusually busy season at Mount Morris and a multiplicity of duties may interfere with Dr. Miller’s plans to come to Waterloo. --Waterloo Evening Courier, Waterloo, Iowa (Saturday 22 Nov 1913) w/picture of Bishop J.J. Yoder and one of the church. **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)

There were two back-to-back entries in the Death Register kept by Alexander Mack Jr. that read: 276. old single Sister Gertrude 277. old sickly Sister Magdalena I am speculating that these were the two Pettikoffer sisters who came over with their parents on the Ship Allen in 1729. Both were reported with their mother, Anna Elizabeth, on the list of female passengers. Can anyone support or refute my speculation? Dwayne Wrightsman

Wayne, I'm behind in my e-mail, as usual. Thank you once again for the great work you do and for what you share!! Bobbi Estes -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Webb Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:29 AM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRE] A must read: Some who led; or, Fathers in the Church of Evening List, The book "Some Who Led" is available online for free with a comprehensive index and links on the Table of Contents page. It can be found at www.brethrennetwork.com/orwahist/books/001_some_who_led. And thank you to Dennis Roth for hosting the pages. Wayne Webb ----- Original Message ----- > > I would strongly recommend getting this book on interlibrary loan, > which I did several years ago. It has a picture of nearly every leader > of the Brethren who it chooses to include with a bio, usually just > about a page or two in length. It is really swell to look into the > eyes of these actual leaders when they were alive, and read of their > bios, written either shortly after their deaths or maybe some while > they were still alive. There are 47 libraries that own this, and you > should be able to get a copy even though it is approaching 100 years. > Maybe if you wait until it is 100 years old you won't be able to get > it any longer?? The title is: > > Some who led;or, Fathers in the Church of the Brethren who have passed > over, Miller, D. L. 1841-1921. (Daniel Long), Royer, Galen Brown,; > 1862- ; joint author. > Publication: Elgin, Ill., Brethren Pub. House, > Year: 1912 > Description: 223 p. illus. (incl. ports.) 20 cm. ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:McAdamsr@hotmail.com ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>From the Montgomery Co. Ohio List Message Board Thought someone on this list would be able to help her. Mary Ann Author: Rlandgren Surnames: McMullen, Bainter, Elser, Gillett Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.ohio.counties.montgomery/4623/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Shelby County, Iowa Shelby County Republican May 20, 1897 Death of David McMullen David McMullen died at the family home on west Durrant street, Monday afternoon. He has been confined to his bed for about three months, being sent thereto by an accident which occurred in February, in which he fell upon the ice and sustained a fracture of the hip. He had almost recovered from the fracture but the vital forces were so reduced that he could not rally from the shock. Deceased was born in Montgomery county, Ohio Sept. 18, 1819. When less than a year old, his parents moved to Wayne County, Ind., and later to St. Joseph county. Here he resided until 1874, when he came to Iowa, settling in this county. He bought a farm southwest of town, near Windy Knoll, where the family lived until about four years ago. They then moved to their present home in Harlan. The greater part of the long life of the deceased was spent in St. Joseph county, Indiana. For many years prior to his removal therefrom he was believed to be the oldest settler in the county. He married there in July 20, 1841 to Miss Elizabeth Bainter, who survives him. Four children were born to them. They are: G. E. McMullen of Irwin, Maggie E. Elser of Cherokee county, Sarah E. McMullen and Lizzie M. Gillett of Harlan. All were present at the funeral, which was held at the house Wednesday morning at ten o'clock, conducted by Elder Meyers of the Dunker church. Burial was made in the city cemetery. Shelby County, Iowa Shelby County, Iowa Republican June 14, 1900 Death of Elizabeth McMullen Mrs. Elizabeth McMullen died at the family house in this city, Sunday noon. Her death was caused by an acute attack of pneumonia, and her last sickness was of a few days of duration. The funeral was held at the home, Tuesday afternoon, Elder Washington Wyland officiating and Rev. L. R Thomas assisting. Elizabeth Bainter was born in Montgomery county, Ohio, May 12, 1825. Her father's cabin stood upon ground where is now the large city of Dayton. When five years of age, her family moved to what is now South Bend, Ind. and was the second white family to settle there. She was united in marriage to David McMullen, July 20, 1841. Herself, husband and family moved to Shelby County, Iowa, in October, 1874, settling on a farm in east Harlan township. They remained there until about 1890, when they moved to this city. The husband died some five years ago. Five children were born to them. Of these, one died in infancy, and the remaining are: Mrs. Samuel Elser of Cherokee county, George McMullen of Irwin, Miss Sarah McMullen and Mrs. Lizzie Gillett of this city. Mrs. McMullen was a member of the Dunker church, and lived a life consistent with its teachings. Most of her life was spent among pioneer surroundings, which developed in her a character of strength and nobleness peculiar to the pioneer. A large number of friends and neighbors attested their appreciation of the deceased by attendance to her funeral. I am interested in exchanging notes with anyone who is connected with this family. Robin McMullen Landgren Dlandgren@aol.com

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Maxine, The name was spelled Kalckgleser, Kalcklöser, Kalckglöser, and Kalckgloser in their own hand written signatures in Lists B and C. Kalckglasser is just another spelling of the same name, but, you're technically correct, this spelling was not used in the ship records. Maria [nee Mack] Kalckglöser and Susanna [nee Mack] Schneider were sisters. They were nieces of Alexander Mack Sr. The evidence was posted to this list by David Myers a few weeks ago. You may want to search the archives. Also, both of the Anna Margaret Macks on the Allen were related to Alexander Mack Sr. One was his sister-in-law, the widow of Alexander's brother, George Conrad, who was the mother of four Mack daughters on board, including the other Anna Margaret, Phillipine, Maria (mentioned above) and Susanna (also mentioned above). The other Anna Margaret, as I just mentioned, was a daughter. The four daughters were nieces of Alexander Mack Sr. Dwayne Wrightsman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maxine Driscoll" <max@sanbrunocable.com> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 12:00 AM Subject: [BRE] Macks on Allen > Dwayne, > Will you please clarify the names you mentioned as being on the Allen? > In Durnbaugh's book "European Origins of the Brethren" he has a list of > Allen passengers. > I can't find a Kalckglasser; I do find a Christopher Kalckloser. > There is also listed a Marie Kalckloser( I assume wife of Christopher), a > Christian Schneider and a Susan Schneider. > > Is it known if Susanna Mack (married to Christian Schneider) and Maria > Mack > (married to Christopher Kalckglasser) were related to Alexander Mack? > > Durnbaugh also lists Anna Margaret Mack 2 times. Do you know if she/they > are related to Alexander Mack? > > Maxine Driscoll in California > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dwayne Wrightsman" <dwayne55@comcast.net> > To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 3:12 PM > Subject: [BRE] Christian Schneider Patent > > >>I have stumbled upon a warrant, survey, and patent that seems to tie >>Christian Schneider (married Susanna Mack) to Christophel Kalckglasser >>(married Maria Mack). "Christian Kalligleaser" warranted 200 acres on a >>brook of Tulpehocken Creek on 19 August 1738. The land was surveyed as >>226 >>acres on 14 May 1740 (C-107-131). The tract was patented 29 November 1762 >>by "Christian Snyder" (AA-4-78). The land was located in that part of >>Lancaster County that became Berks County. >> >> Susanna Mack and Maria Mack were sisters who came over with their young >> husbands from Surhuisterveen to Philadelphia on the Ship Allen in 1729. >> >> Question for David Myers: Does any of this fit into your research >> findings about the mysterious Christian Sneider? >> >> Dwayne Wrightsman

Dwayne, Thank you so very much. I had none of that information. I evidently missed those postings, so I will check. I am very interested, as I descend from Alexander Mack Sr. and Jr. through William Mack (1749-1813) m. Agnes Gantz (1754-1808); Elizabeth Mack (1776-1847) m. John Holsinger (1768-1849); Nancy Holsinger (1809-1889) m. George Snyder (1799-1874) I have never been able to find much about this George Snyder. I would imagine that George is Brethren as the religion stayed in the family - down to me. The only conjecture that I have about George is that his father may have been Thomas & siblings may have been Harmon, Christian, Henry, and Sarah. But I have no proof of that. I wonder if any one on the list has researched this Snyder line? If so, would love to hear from them. Maxine Driscoll in California ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dwayne Wrightsman" <dwayne55@comcast.net> To: <brethren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 4:00 AM Subject: Re: [BRE] Macks on Allen Maxine, The name was spelled Kalckgleser, Kalcklöser, Kalckglöser, and Kalckgloser in their own hand written signatures in Lists B and C. Kalckglasser is just another spelling of the same name, but, you're technically correct, this spelling was not used in the ship records. Maria [nee Mack] Kalckglöser and Susanna [nee Mack] Schneider were sisters. They were nieces of Alexander Mack Sr. The evidence was posted to this list by David Myers a few weeks ago. You may want to search the archives. Also, both of the Anna Margaret Macks on the Allen were related to Alexander Mack Sr. One was his sister-in-law, the widow of Alexander's brother, George Conrad, who was the mother of four Mack daughters on board, including the other Anna Margaret, Phillipine, Maria (mentioned above) and Susanna (also mentioned above). The other Anna Margaret, as I just mentioned, was a daughter. The four daughters were nieces of Alexander Mack Sr. Dwayne Wrightsman -