Not an answer on how CoB grows, but a comment on old abandoned or destroyed structures to which you alluded. In Preston Co, WV [where my mother grew up] there were lots of "preaching points", some being members homes, some being small church buildings. If I understand correctly, before the coming of the automobile and better roads, the preacher would make the rather long trip to one of the preaching points on a given Sunday, and the portion of the congregation that lived in the vicinity would attend. The preacher's location on any given Sunday was presumably on some sort of rotating schedule. As transportation improved these preaching points, much like the one room schools in the community, were abandoned and the congregation consolidated into larger groups meeting more regularly in larger buildings. To this day many of the Amish [non-automobile] congregations, at least in Lancaster Co, PA, are split in half, with the preacher going to one location one Sunday and the other location the next Sunday - I assume that you are allowed, but not expected, to attend every Sunday. So an abandoned or destroyed church building does not necessarily represent a congregation that "went out of business"; it may have consolidated. The CoB structure closest to my mother's birthplace is still owned [and maintained] by the active church some eight miles away, and there is generally an annual "homecoming" service held at the small church. I THINK that what I've said is reasonably accurate, but I am not claiming expertise in this area; corrections welcomed. Thom Flory -----Original Message----- From: J.A. Florian <[email protected]> To: LIST: BRETHREN EMAIL LIST <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Tue, Jan 25, 2011 9:26 am Subject: [BRE] OT maybe: How do Brethren grow churches? This might be off-topic (I hope not too much.) We all know churches today go through declines. Sometimes they revitalize and grow; other times, the congregation moves on and the church closes. I haven't seen much about Dunkard or COB churches that closed in the past. I know of one that was hit by lightning sometime around 1920-30 and later was torn down, but the congregation still had its mother church to attend. I believe I read about one church that closed for a time in the 1940s, but re-opened later. I'm wondering about the methods Brethren have used to grow their churches. How did they attract members? And retain members. With all the current pressures (financial, jobs, family), and world changes, how do Brethren keep their churches going today? I've been wondering about this for a while so thought I'd finally ask. Judy ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tabitha's second husband is Joseph Monz sometimes spelled Minz.Whitley County book 2 page 120 shows them as having been married on June 26, 1871 with possible spelling of Minz as his last name. They are found in 1880 living in Chester Township, Wabash County, Indiana under Montz. Also, the spelling on his wife's tombstone states she was wife of Joseph Montz which can be clearly seen. He was a 57 year old farmer and was born in PA in the census. His wife Tabitha J. was 54 and living with them was 15 years old Anna Robison whom he identifies as his step-daughter and who was born in Indiana. Tobitha has a tombstone spelled Tobitha and listed with death as Nov 1, 1852 and shows on the tombstone that she was wife of Joseph Montz as well as how long she lived. Now, regarding my Grandfather, I have in my possession their Affidavit for Marriage License which is signed December 31, 1845. They were married on January 1, 1846 per marriage return. I also have an 1860 census for them.I have an 1870 census that only names her. I did learn that they did the 1870 census I am thinking the census was taken after my Grandfather's death in 1870.His tombstone states he died on April 12, 1870. Their child, my *Grandmother's* Sister is called Mari Etta also (which goes nicely with Irena Anna). In the notice from the paper that I sent you, I have her sister's name is Mary E. Robinson. My Grandmother's only other sister died at 17 years name was Emily Jane. I have traced Tobitha back to being born to a John and Jane Robison in Ohio. That 1850 census has his name, her Mother's name as Jane my Great Grandmother's name as Jane as a child and shows she had several siblings, none of which I have as of yet been successful in tracing. Not only that, I am at a complete deadend grid with determining anything more about her parents other than that her Father came from PA and gives birth of 1793. I have managed also to discover that her Mother's maiden name was Neils from some old records. That's about all I know on them. I also don't know what their religious believes and foundation were. Obviously, I still have some work to do to see if I can determine if land was owned or any other records can be found giving more information. In regards to my Robison Great Grandfather, he is shown by the 1900 census for Irena A. Cripe to be born in Ohio and the Mother to be born in PA. However, I now feel sure the Mother was born in Ohio so perhaps that got crisscrossed. According to the 1860 Census for Cleveland Township he was indeed born in PA and Tobitha in Ohio. I have ONE lead that may eventually prove to be of some merit. I am hoping someday, a very old record might show up that names the children of Henry and Ann Robison. There is one male that fits the age of my Grandfather I am told by someone who is a descendant of Henry Robison. In the census, it is evidently noted that there may be eight children. However, names are not given. My Grandfather James did own property with real estate valued at $200 and personal estate of $112. Also, their Daughter Emily Jane may have been given family names. It is my understanding that Henry Robison is known to have had a daughter by the name of Emily. Jane would have been Tobitha's Mother's name. I apologize if I have bored you. I am looking for clues wherever I may find them at! Thanks for any help you might be able to give. I'll be glad to share anything I come across that may be of interest to you. My Best, Iris Daughter of Ira D. Cripe On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:41 PM, gale honeyman <[email protected]>wrote: > 1880 census says Mary was born in Indiana; 1900 census says she was born > Indiana, both parents born Germany. I failed to locate her thereafter. > In 1860 and 1870 census of Indiana, there is no James Robinson born in > either Germany or Scotland. > > Who was Tabitha's 2nd husband? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Iris Wilde" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:32 PM > Subject: Re: [BRE] Question > > > >I was sent an obit by family tree members in Indiana after my visit > there. > > It reads, > > Mrs. Mary E. Landis died Wednesday evening at the home of her son, Vesta > > Landis, in East Manchester Thursday evening of last week she suffered a > > sudden attack of apoplexy and paralysis and was unconscious from then > > until > > her death. She had been employed in the home of Cornelius Kinsey at > Hoover > > and was brought to her son's home Tuesday. She became worse and died > > Wednesday. The funeral will be held Friday afternoon at two o'clock at > the > > Old Order Dunkard church a mile west and a half mile north of town. Rev. > > Joseph E. Metzger and Elder John Miller of Hoover will have charge of the > > services. Burial will be in the cemetery by the church. Mary E. Robison > > was > > born in Scotland, September 9, 1859, and died at North Manchester, > > February > > 16, 1916, aged 56 years, 9 months and 12 days. She came with her parents > > to > > this country at an early age and was later married to Joseph E. Landis, > > living about North Manchester untilhis death a few years ago. She had > made > > her home at Hoover for about six years but often came here to visit her > > son > > Vesta, she is survived by one sister, Mrs. Jacob Cripe of Lawrence, > > Kansas. > > This is from a VERY OLD newspaper clipping and most likely a North > > Manchester one. > > ********There is also other information on the web that made me wonder. > > Most > > of it is over ten years old so I'm thinking perhaps it was just > > misunderstood that she actually came as a child from Scotland though I am > > saving the clipping (of course)*********** > > > > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 7:16 PM, gale honeyman <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> Iris, > >> > >> CRIPE--Irene Anna Cripe, daughter of James and Tabitha Jane Robinson, > was > >> born Jan. 3, 1864, near North Manchester, Ind. She died at the home of > >> her > >> grandson, Ernest D. Wray, Baldwin City, Kan., on Jan. 15, 1951, age 87 > >> years > >> and 12 days. She was the last of her family to be called home. > >> She was united in marriage on June 3, 1883 to Jacob E. Cripe near > North > >> Manchester, Ind. > >> They lived near North Manchester until 1898 when they moved with their > >> family to near Birch Tree, Mo., and in 1900 moved to Kansas. > >> abstracted from her obit, The Vindicator, March 1951, pp 94-95 > >> > >> LANDIS--Mary Etta Robinson, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. James Robinson, was > >> born Sept. 4, 1859; died Feb 16, 1916, aged 56 years, 5 mos, and 12 das. > >> She united in marriage to Joseph M. Landis, Nov. 17, 1878. > >> Funeral by the Brethren at the North Manchester M.H. to a large and > >> attentive audience. > >> abstracted from her obit, The Vindicator, April 1916, p 126 > >> > >> These are the only two obits that mention a James Robinson. There are > >> none > >> for him nor Tabitha. > >> > >> Gale > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Come home to www.soldiersangels.org and adopt a Soldier! They have given so much to us.

Outreach. Service to others. ................................ Valerie A. Metzler, M. A., C. A. Valerie Metzler Archivist/Historian 114 Ruskin Drive Altoona, Pennsylvania 16602 814 932 1740 fax 940 0493 [email protected] On 25.01.2011, at 09:26, J.A. Florian wrote: > > > I'm wondering about the methods Brethren have used to grow their churches. > How did they attract members? And retain members. > > With all the current pressures (financial, jobs, family), and world changes, > how do Brethren keep their churches going today? > > I've been wondering about this for a while so thought I'd finally ask.

Dear Everyone especially Judy I have been asking the same questions for several years that you are asking,Judy.For thirty five my family were wonderful friends of the minister who babtized my mother in the 50's as well as other members of my family.He was a tremendrous Elder as well as Bible Teacher and minister who held two weeks of revival meetings every year that he lived.Whenever I did anything wrong he was the first one who told me about it.The invitation to accept Jesus as one's personal Saviour was given practically at the close of every service.He always told everyone they should try daily to be as Jesus would have them be and be led by The Holy Spirit.Several weeks ago I recieved an E Mail from a wonderful friend who attends the Brethren Church several miles from where I live.She was telling me how she enjoys attending the Church.She at one time attended a Pentecostal Church. For several months I have been receiving some information about what The Fellowship of The Grace Brethren Church are doing in today's world.It seems their congregations seems to be growing.It seems they stay focus on God's work and The Holy Spirit.One of the Congregations I was a part of for about 9 years was really growing.They were talking about building a new church or adding onto the main one but several years later the Lord called the minister to go to another church.That same congregation now is doing pretty good if there is twenty-five for the Sunday Morning Service.They don't have Sunday evening services or Wednesday evening services any longer.So I really don't know what the problem is unless we arem't as grounded in God's Word and prayer the way we use to be. Patty Brate Connell

This might be off-topic (I hope not too much.) We all know churches today go through declines. Sometimes they revitalize and grow; other times, the congregation moves on and the church closes. I haven't seen much about Dunkard or COB churches that closed in the past. I know of one that was hit by lightning sometime around 1920-30 and later was torn down, but the congregation still had its mother church to attend. I believe I read about one church that closed for a time in the 1940s, but re-opened later. I'm wondering about the methods Brethren have used to grow their churches. How did they attract members? And retain members. With all the current pressures (financial, jobs, family), and world changes, how do Brethren keep their churches going today? I've been wondering about this for a while so thought I'd finally ask. Judy

1880 census says Mary was born in Indiana; 1900 census says she was born Indiana, both parents born Germany. I failed to locate her thereafter. In 1860 and 1870 census of Indiana, there is no James Robinson born in either Germany or Scotland. Who was Tabitha's 2nd husband? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iris Wilde" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Question >I was sent an obit by family tree members in Indiana after my visit there. > It reads, > Mrs. Mary E. Landis died Wednesday evening at the home of her son, Vesta > Landis, in East Manchester Thursday evening of last week she suffered a > sudden attack of apoplexy and paralysis and was unconscious from then > until > her death. She had been employed in the home of Cornelius Kinsey at Hoover > and was brought to her son's home Tuesday. She became worse and died > Wednesday. The funeral will be held Friday afternoon at two o'clock at the > Old Order Dunkard church a mile west and a half mile north of town. Rev. > Joseph E. Metzger and Elder John Miller of Hoover will have charge of the > services. Burial will be in the cemetery by the church. Mary E. Robison > was > born in Scotland, September 9, 1859, and died at North Manchester, > February > 16, 1916, aged 56 years, 9 months and 12 days. She came with her parents > to > this country at an early age and was later married to Joseph E. Landis, > living about North Manchester untilhis death a few years ago. She had made > her home at Hoover for about six years but often came here to visit her > son > Vesta, she is survived by one sister, Mrs. Jacob Cripe of Lawrence, > Kansas. > This is from a VERY OLD newspaper clipping and most likely a North > Manchester one. > ********There is also other information on the web that made me wonder. > Most > of it is over ten years old so I'm thinking perhaps it was just > misunderstood that she actually came as a child from Scotland though I am > saving the clipping (of course)*********** > > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 7:16 PM, gale honeyman <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Iris, >> >> CRIPE--Irene Anna Cripe, daughter of James and Tabitha Jane Robinson, was >> born Jan. 3, 1864, near North Manchester, Ind. She died at the home of >> her >> grandson, Ernest D. Wray, Baldwin City, Kan., on Jan. 15, 1951, age 87 >> years >> and 12 days. She was the last of her family to be called home. >> She was united in marriage on June 3, 1883 to Jacob E. Cripe near North >> Manchester, Ind. >> They lived near North Manchester until 1898 when they moved with their >> family to near Birch Tree, Mo., and in 1900 moved to Kansas. >> abstracted from her obit, The Vindicator, March 1951, pp 94-95 >> >> LANDIS--Mary Etta Robinson, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. James Robinson, was >> born Sept. 4, 1859; died Feb 16, 1916, aged 56 years, 5 mos, and 12 das. >> She united in marriage to Joseph M. Landis, Nov. 17, 1878. >> Funeral by the Brethren at the North Manchester M.H. to a large and >> attentive audience. >> abstracted from her obit, The Vindicator, April 1916, p 126 >> >> These are the only two obits that mention a James Robinson. There are >> none >> for him nor Tabitha. >> >> Gale

I was sent an obit by family tree members in Indiana after my visit there. It reads, Mrs. Mary E. Landis died Wednesday evening at the home of her son, Vesta Landis, in East Manchester Thursday evening of last week she suffered a sudden attack of apoplexy and paralysis and was unconscious from then until her death. She had been employed in the home of Cornelius Kinsey at Hoover and was brought to her son's home Tuesday. She became worse and died Wednesday. The funeral will be held Friday afternoon at two o'clock at the Old Order Dunkard church a mile west and a half mile north of town. Rev. Joseph E. Metzger and Elder John Miller of Hoover will have charge of the services. Burial will be in the cemetery by the church. Mary E. Robison was born in Scotland, September 9, 1859, and died at North Manchester, February 16, 1916, aged 56 years, 9 months and 12 days. She came with her parents to this country at an early age and was later married to Joseph E. Landis, living about North Manchester untilhis death a few years ago. She had made her home at Hoover for about six years but often came here to visit her son Vesta, she is survived by one sister, Mrs. Jacob Cripe of Lawrence, Kansas. This is from a VERY OLD newspaper clipping and most likely a North Manchester one. ********There is also other information on the web that made me wonder. Most of it is over ten years old so I'm thinking perhaps it was just misunderstood that she actually came as a child from Scotland though I am saving the clipping (of course)*********** On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 7:16 PM, gale honeyman <[email protected]> wrote: > Iris, > > CRIPE--Irene Anna Cripe, daughter of James and Tabitha Jane Robinson, was > born Jan. 3, 1864, near North Manchester, Ind. She died at the home of her > grandson, Ernest D. Wray, Baldwin City, Kan., on Jan. 15, 1951, age 87 > years > and 12 days. She was the last of her family to be called home. > She was united in marriage on June 3, 1883 to Jacob E. Cripe near North > Manchester, Ind. > They lived near North Manchester until 1898 when they moved with their > family to near Birch Tree, Mo., and in 1900 moved to Kansas. > abstracted from her obit, The Vindicator, March 1951, pp 94-95 > > LANDIS--Mary Etta Robinson, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. James Robinson, was > born Sept. 4, 1859; died Feb 16, 1916, aged 56 years, 5 mos, and 12 das. > She united in marriage to Joseph M. Landis, Nov. 17, 1878. > Funeral by the Brethren at the North Manchester M.H. to a large and > attentive audience. > abstracted from her obit, The Vindicator, April 1916, p 126 > > These are the only two obits that mention a James Robinson. There are none > for him nor Tabitha. > > Gale > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Iris Wilde" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 6:59 PM > Subject: [BRE] Question > > > > I've inquired about my Grandmother Irena A. Robison on here before. She > is > > my Father's Mother. However, since there is always new research done I'm > > hoping someone might have some answers that I presently lack. I have come > > across conflicting bodies of information. First, in Whitley County, > > Indiana, > > I am told there is a marriage certificate for her parents James Robison > > and > > Tobitha Scott. However, now I have been sent a newspaper clipping that > > names > > my Grandmother as the Sister of Mary Robison who is reported to be born > > in > > Scotland. Further, it states that her Father is James and her Mother is > > Tabitha Robison. Her married name is also Landis which is the name of the > > witness at my Grandmother's wedding. Their Father died so their Mother > > remarried. My Grandmother was married at the home of her Step-Father and > > Mother. Mary Robison was buried at the Old Order Cemetery in North > > Manchester, IN. I'm hoping someone on here might have some research they > > can > > point me towards. I will follow up on the marriage certificate in > Whitley > > County. In Spring/Summer I'll come to Indiana and do some more work on > > this. > > Right now, it's a puzzle and one I'd love to have some clarification for. > > If > > anyone has any input on this, I'd sure love to hear it. Thanks so much, > > Iris > > Daughter of Ira D. Cripe > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Come home to www.soldiersangels.org and adopt a Soldier! They have given so much to us.

Kathleen, >From a complete reading of the Sugar Grove Cemetery by myself and the late Joe Bosserman in summer of 1983, in rotation: Annah Krub, widow M to D x B 1824 [perhaps M-mother, D x B-died and buried 1824] Andrew Krubb, 1822, 32 [clearly cut, perhaps died 1822, age 32] Grubb, Elizabeth, widow of A., died July 1837 in her 77th year John Soulders, died April 11, 1863, aged 62y 6m 1d Sarah Sowders, wife of John, died August 4, 1840 in her 45th year Andrew Grubb, died September 16, 1840, age 20y 9m 10d Hannah Faltnor, wife of Jacob, died August 5, 1840, aged 18y 11m 13d [note maiden name Grubb, 1st wife of Jacob Falknor] David P. Reece s/o G. W. & M 1840 [s/o George & Mary (Deeter) Reese, unrelated to rest of these folks] J. S. [initials only] Joshua Souder, died August 31, 1846 in his 67th year Mary Souder, age 78y 11m 21d [note, no date of death engraved] Catharine Grubb, wife of John, died January 23, 1850, age 24y 1m 11d John Grubb, died February 21, 1883, aged 66y 5m 5d Mary Ann Grubb, died May 21, 1906, aged 73y 2m all of these surnames are as they are engraved. I would be most interested how these Krubb/Grubbs relate to each other and the Souders. Gale ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathleen Holder" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 7:52 PM Subject: [BRE] Souder/Sowders, Miami County, OH >I have been puzzling over the identites of two women buried In Sugar Grove > Cemetery in Covington, Ohio. Their headstones (per photos and > transcriptions > on FindAGrave), read: > > Mary Souder > age 45 years > d Aug. 4, 1840 > w/o of John > > Sarah Sowders > in her 45th year > d Aug. 4, 1840 > w/o of John > > Does anyone know anything more about them? I have been trying to determine > if one or both women were my Grubb kin (possibly daughters of an Abraham > and > Elizabeth Bowers Grubb. Also so curious that both died on the same day, at > the same age, with husband's names so similar. > > Kathleen (Grubb) Holder

Iris, CRIPE--Irene Anna Cripe, daughter of James and Tabitha Jane Robinson, was born Jan. 3, 1864, near North Manchester, Ind. She died at the home of her grandson, Ernest D. Wray, Baldwin City, Kan., on Jan. 15, 1951, age 87 years and 12 days. She was the last of her family to be called home. She was united in marriage on June 3, 1883 to Jacob E. Cripe near North Manchester, Ind. They lived near North Manchester until 1898 when they moved with their family to near Birch Tree, Mo., and in 1900 moved to Kansas. abstracted from her obit, The Vindicator, March 1951, pp 94-95 LANDIS--Mary Etta Robinson, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. James Robinson, was born Sept. 4, 1859; died Feb 16, 1916, aged 56 years, 5 mos, and 12 das. She united in marriage to Joseph M. Landis, Nov. 17, 1878. Funeral by the Brethren at the North Manchester M.H. to a large and attentive audience. abstracted from her obit, The Vindicator, April 1916, p 126 These are the only two obits that mention a James Robinson. There are none for him nor Tabitha. Gale ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iris Wilde" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 6:59 PM Subject: [BRE] Question > I've inquired about my Grandmother Irena A. Robison on here before. She is > my Father's Mother. However, since there is always new research done I'm > hoping someone might have some answers that I presently lack. I have come > across conflicting bodies of information. First, in Whitley County, > Indiana, > I am told there is a marriage certificate for her parents James Robison > and > Tobitha Scott. However, now I have been sent a newspaper clipping that > names > my Grandmother as the Sister of Mary Robison who is reported to be born > in > Scotland. Further, it states that her Father is James and her Mother is > Tabitha Robison. Her married name is also Landis which is the name of the > witness at my Grandmother's wedding. Their Father died so their Mother > remarried. My Grandmother was married at the home of her Step-Father and > Mother. Mary Robison was buried at the Old Order Cemetery in North > Manchester, IN. I'm hoping someone on here might have some research they > can > point me towards. I will follow up on the marriage certificate in Whitley > County. In Spring/Summer I'll come to Indiana and do some more work on > this. > Right now, it's a puzzle and one I'd love to have some clarification for. > If > anyone has any input on this, I'd sure love to hear it. Thanks so much, > Iris > Daughter of Ira D. Cripe

I've inquired about my Grandmother Irena A. Robison on here before. She is my Father's Mother. However, since there is always new research done I'm hoping someone might have some answers that I presently lack. I have come across conflicting bodies of information. First, in Whitley County, Indiana, I am told there is a marriage certificate for her parents James Robison and Tobitha Scott. However, now I have been sent a newspaper clipping that names my Grandmother as the Sister of Mary Robison who is reported to be born in Scotland. Further, it states that her Father is James and her Mother is Tabitha Robison. Her married name is also Landis which is the name of the witness at my Grandmother's wedding. Their Father died so their Mother remarried. My Grandmother was married at the home of her Step-Father and Mother. Mary Robison was buried at the Old Order Cemetery in North Manchester, IN. I'm hoping someone on here might have some research they can point me towards. I will follow up on the marriage certificate in Whitley County. In Spring/Summer I'll come to Indiana and do some more work on this. Right now, it's a puzzle and one I'd love to have some clarification for. If anyone has any input on this, I'd sure love to hear it. Thanks so much, Iris Daughter of Ira D. Cripe -- Come home to www.soldiersangels.org and adopt a Soldier! They have given so much to us.

Hi Eric, Thank you. I have wondered if Mary and Sarah were the same person. Tthe photos do show two separate stones with the two names, though it is hard to make out much other detail. That is a good suggestion to ask the person who posted the entries. I'll try that. Kathleen On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 5:22 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Kathleen, > > findagrave.com is not perfect since they are entries from contributors so > those two women could both be the same person and two different researchers > have them listed that way. or any combinations of entries by the same > person. I looked at the entries and they are all by the same woman and > there is > a third one for a Mary Souder, no dates and it says w/o Joshua Souder. I > think the first two are for the same person. Leave a message for her and > ask > which is right. > > eric blocher > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Kathleen, findagrave.com is not perfect since they are entries from contributors so those two women could both be the same person and two different researchers have them listed that way. or any combinations of entries by the same person. I looked at the entries and they are all by the same woman and there is a third one for a Mary Souder, no dates and it says w/o Joshua Souder. I think the first two are for the same person. Leave a message for her and ask which is right. eric blocher

I have been puzzling over the identites of two women buried In Sugar Grove Cemetery in Covington, Ohio. Their headstones (per photos and transcriptions on FindAGrave), read: Mary Souder age 45 years d Aug. 4, 1840 w/o of John Sarah Sowders in her 45th year d Aug. 4, 1840 w/o of John Does anyone know anything more about them? I have been trying to determine if one or both women were my Grubb kin (possibly daughters of an Abraham and Elizabeth Bowers Grubb. Also so curious that both died on the same day, at the same age, with husband's names so similar. Kathleen (Grubb) Holder

Afternoon Fellow List Members, I am happy to report that as of this afternoon we now have indexed all of the groom's names up to and including those that begin with the letter "D." This accounts so far for 930 individuals who would have been married between 1837 and 1844 in Montgomery county, Ohio. My gratitude and thanks to Mr. Jesse Davis for his assistance with this indexing project. You can view the images for the index of marriage docket A-2 by visiting < http://montgomery.brethrenarchives.com/> and clicking on "Docket A-2" link to the right. Or you can search for a specific name at the top of the page. There is no login or unregistered users to the site and please do not request to join the site via the login feature. If someone could use the "gateway" feature and pass this e-mail along I would appreciate it. Cordially, A. Wayne Webb

> Below is a list of some Brethren and others from Muhlenberg County, KY, Deed > Book 8, p. 82. Merle and others might be able to verify which Muhlenberg > congregation these names go with. The Landes, Gish, and Coffman names > suggests the "Dutch Settlement" in the north of Muhlenberg, rather than the > Long Creek church in the southwest of Muhlenberg "constituted" in 1826. I > am especially interested in the name Peter Shaver as he attested to the > "Ancient Document" written by Elder Joseph Roland who had a big hand in > establishing both of these Muhlenberg churches. Which church was Peter > Shaver associated with? I wonder if he was related to the Shavers of the > Ephrata community and the Ephrata Brethren who migrated to the New River in > Virginia in the mid-1700s. One of those was an (older) Peter Shaver, maybe > this Peter's father. Another name I'm curious about is Jesse& Sally Welch. > > > Landes, Daniel: Division of Estate > . Source: Muhlenberg DB 8:82 > . Date: 02 October 1832 > . Division of the Estate of Daniel Landes deceased > . Samuel Landes lot 1: 150 A; Adj. Gish, Thomas Combs, Mark Overholds, Jacob > Whitmer > . Isaac Landes lot 2: 150 A; Adj. Overholds > . David& Ann Plain lot 3: 112 A; Adj. Jacob Whitmer > . John& Polly Vickers lot 4: 150 A; Adj. Benjamin Coffman, Christian Peters > > . Samuel Landes lot 5: 160 A; Adj. Peters, Peter Shaver, James Hendricks > . Jacob C. Landes lot 6: 160 A; Adj. James Hendricks, Joseph Gish deceased > . Jesse& Sally Welch lot 7: 50 A; Adj. Joseph Gish deceased > . Signed: John Morgan, Commissioner, Peter Shaver, Commissioner > > i have Peter Shaver and Andrew Shaver in Muhlenberg Co KY - in my Frontier Brethren research - but I did not attempt to separate the several congregations in the different locations where the Brethren settled in Kentucky. There usually were more than one congregation. A further question - from above Division of Estate - did it take that long to settle the estate? 6 years? - I suppose so. In which church area did Daniel Landis live in Muhlenberg Co? Daniel Landis, with his brothers, David, and Henry Jr came to the Four Mile soon after 1810. Most of hte children of Henry Landis Sr came to Preble Co OH and Indiana Territory (Four Mile, later Union Co IN). David (wife Elizabeth Peckleshimer /Becktelsheimer), died here, Mar 1914, and in his will state that he wanted to be buried with the "other good christians at Lybrooks" (6 years earlier than any known burials there). His wife is the reference in Henry Sr's will - "children of Elizabeth Moss" -since she married John Moss after David died. He lived north of the Upper Four Mile Church (he died long before it was built). The Lybrook-Railsback Cemetery is south of the present church, about a mile. Abour that time, Daniel Landis moved down to Muhlenberg Co KY, where his brother, John Landis, also moved. Daniel died there in Aug 1826. I recognize those names - as his children, several of whom moved up to Macoupin Co IL. OK - I have the Frontier Brethren book done (even on Adobe) - but research is not finished! Merle

According to Austin Cooper's accounts, Peter Shaver was in the group from Pennsylvania that migrated to Muhlenberg, KY, circa 1785. Question answered. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dwayne Wrightsman Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 10:24 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [BRE] Some Brethren from Muhlenberg County Below is a list of some Brethren and others from Muhlenberg County, KY, Deed Book 8, p. 82. Merle and others might be able to verify which Muhlenberg congregation these names go with. The Landes, Gish, and Coffman names suggests the "Dutch Settlement" in the north of Muhlenberg, rather than the Long Creek church in the southwest of Muhlenberg "constituted" in 1826. I am especially interested in the name Peter Shaver as he attested to the "Ancient Document" written by Elder Joseph Roland who had a big hand in establishing both of these Muhlenberg churches. Which church was Peter Shaver associated with? I wonder if he was related to the Shavers of the Ephrata community and the Ephrata Brethren who migrated to the New River in Virginia in the mid-1700s. One of those was an (older) Peter Shaver, maybe this Peter's father. Another name I'm curious about is Jesse & Sally Welch. Landes, Daniel: Division of Estate . Source: Muhlenberg DB 8:82 . Date: 02 October 1832 . Division of the Estate of Daniel Landes deceased . Samuel Landes lot 1: 150 A; Adj. Gish, Thomas Combs, Mark Overholds, Jacob Whitmer . Isaac Landes lot 2: 150 A; Adj. Overholds . David & Ann Plain lot 3: 112 A; Adj. Jacob Whitmer . John & Polly Vickers lot 4: 150 A; Adj. Benjamin Coffman, Christian Peters . Samuel Landes lot 5: 160 A; Adj. Peters, Peter Shaver, James Hendricks . Jacob C. Landes lot 6: 160 A; Adj. James Hendricks, Joseph Gish deceased . Jesse & Sally Welch lot 7: 50 A; Adj. Joseph Gish deceased . Signed: John Morgan, Commissioner, Peter Shaver, Commissioner Dwayne Wrightsman ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Below is a list of some Brethren and others from Muhlenberg County, KY, Deed Book 8, p. 82. Merle and others might be able to verify which Muhlenberg congregation these names go with. The Landes, Gish, and Coffman names suggests the "Dutch Settlement" in the north of Muhlenberg, rather than the Long Creek church in the southwest of Muhlenberg "constituted" in 1826. I am especially interested in the name Peter Shaver as he attested to the "Ancient Document" written by Elder Joseph Roland who had a big hand in establishing both of these Muhlenberg churches. Which church was Peter Shaver associated with? I wonder if he was related to the Shavers of the Ephrata community and the Ephrata Brethren who migrated to the New River in Virginia in the mid-1700s. One of those was an (older) Peter Shaver, maybe this Peter's father. Another name I'm curious about is Jesse & Sally Welch. Landes, Daniel: Division of Estate . Source: Muhlenberg DB 8:82 . Date: 02 October 1832 . Division of the Estate of Daniel Landes deceased . Samuel Landes lot 1: 150 A; Adj. Gish, Thomas Combs, Mark Overholds, Jacob Whitmer . Isaac Landes lot 2: 150 A; Adj. Overholds . David & Ann Plain lot 3: 112 A; Adj. Jacob Whitmer . John & Polly Vickers lot 4: 150 A; Adj. Benjamin Coffman, Christian Peters . Samuel Landes lot 5: 160 A; Adj. Peters, Peter Shaver, James Hendricks . Jacob C. Landes lot 6: 160 A; Adj. James Hendricks, Joseph Gish deceased . Jesse & Sally Welch lot 7: 50 A; Adj. Joseph Gish deceased . Signed: John Morgan, Commissioner, Peter Shaver, Commissioner Dwayne Wrightsman

> I just stumbled upon the following passage from one of the Carroll County, > Indiana, history books. If you read the last sentence, you will see a > number of Brethren looking names, especially Cripe, Studebaker, Metzger, > Saylor, etc. One name on the list is a NICHOLAS GARST. I'm wondering if he > is the Nicholas III I'm looking for. Anyone have an idea who this Nicholas > Garst was? Was there a Brethren church in the 1830s in this part of > Indiana? > > Two churches of the German Baptist denomination are located in this township. Wild Cat Creek was a major migration area of the Brethren in the early 1830s - especially from the Four Mile and nearby Ohio areas (over to Dayton). The two churches were Bachelor Run (founded in the home of Edmund Moss, son of Elder William Moss), and Deer Creek - which because of the dispute between Peter Replogle and Peter Eyman (1838) split into two churches - Lower Deer Creek and Upper Deer Creek (running east from the Wabash River - "Lower" - downstream - western - and "Upper" - upstream - eastern.. I looked through Winger's History - and did not see the name Garst for those churches, or elsewhere.. Merle C Rummel

I'm researching the life of John Nicholas Garst III (son of Nicholas II, and grandson of Nicholas I who had the four daughters who married four sons of Michael Frantz and Magdalena Zug, and who migrated from Pennsylvania to Botetourt, Virginia, in 1790, and later on to Ohio). Nicholas Garst II was the only Garst in this family not to move to Virginia. His children migrated directly to Ohio in the early 1800s. I have found Nicholas Garst III in Jackson Township, Montgomery County, Ohio, as early as 1816, but he seems to disappear from that part of Ohio during the 1820s. I just stumbled upon the following passage from one of the Carroll County, Indiana, history books. If you read the last sentence, you will see a number of Brethren looking names, especially Cripe, Studebaker, Metzger, Saylor, etc. One name on the list is a NICHOLAS GARST. I'm wondering if he is the Nicholas III I'm looking for. Anyone have an idea who this Nicholas Garst was? Was there a Brethren church in the 1830s in this part of Indiana? CLAY TOWNSHIP "Clay township was organized by the board of county commissioners in 1831, and Albert G. Hanna was appointed inspector of elections. The first election was held at the house of Jonathan Gillam, on the second Monday of April, 1831, and George Julian was elected justice of the peace. This township is the southwest township of the county. Wild Cat creek runs through this township. The first school house was built on the farm of Alexander Murphy in 1837 and a Mr. Troxell taught the first school. The next school house was built thereafter as the demands of the people required. Two churches of the German Baptist denomination are located in this township. John Wagoner erected the first saw-mill, and also a mill to grind wheat and corn. The villages in this township, are Pyrmont and Owasco. Pyrmont is situated on the western border, and Owasco on the Monon railroad. Among the early settlers were John M. Beard, Nicholas Garst, Jacob Shigley, Alexander Murphy, Adam Bates, James Gray, Eli Moore, Samuel Moore, James Enochs, George Stombaugh, Daniel Wagoner, John Wagoner, Samuel Mooney, N. Campbell, John Cripe, S. Studebaker, Jacob Cripe, Daniel Metzger, Jacob Saylor, Daniel Saylor, Samuel Bugher and others." What do you think? Dwayne Wrightsman

Morning Fellow List Members, The offering is from 1896 and is "The Brethren Evangelist" which was the publication of the Brethren Church whose headquarters was, and still is, at Ashland, Ohio. This particular offering is quite large in size but hopefully enough is there to make it of interest to you. The first section of this offering is listing of various one or two liners and is a brief glimpse into the larger articles that were printed. I have typed up and prepared as many of them as possible. The headings of the larger articles includes the following: "From New Paris, Ind" by Sinda Mayse; "From Masontown, Pa." by Mary M. Sterling; "KANEMORADO Items" by J. R. Keller; "From Pittsburg, Pa." by H. Wise; "From Middlebranch, Oh." by a member of the school; "From Brooklyn, Ia." by C. Forney; "Star News" by Estella Feller; "From Milford, Ind." by G. W. Rench, "From Enon Congregation" by J. L. Gillen; "Report of the National Ministerial Association" by R. R. Teeter; and "From Olathe, Kan." by Arthur Brubaker. You can access the later Offering at http://offering.brethrenarchives.com/index.php?option=com_content <http://offering.brethrenarchives.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=arti cle&id=619:the-brethren-evangelist-offering-102&catid=38:2011&Itemid=57> &view=article&id=619:the-brethren-evangelist-offering-102&catid=38:2011&Item id=57. For those of you who are registered users, with all that entails, you can access the "Source" link at the bottom of the page. Or at least as long as you are logged in. For Dennis and Gale I can state that I barely got started abstracting information pertinent to our project but had to desist. Personal matters must take precedence for the next several days. I did update our online ministerial file so I would recommend that you download it to your computer, overwriting any earlier files. Blessings One and All, A. Wayne Webb