Iris, you make some good points. We also need to be very careful not to put too much trust in the country. Historically we learned that we can only put our trust in God because the country can turn against you at a moment's notice. (As the Brethren learned firsthand in Europe, and actually in this country also as they were persecuted for being "Tories" during the Revolution and again when the government tried to draft them into the army against their beliefs.) So counting on the country to be "Christian" is a trap, and against our understanding of the separation of Church and State. Your point about being "salt of the earth" is excellent. Sorry if I am off topic. I've enjoyed your emails as you search for your family history. We're all spiritual cousins. John Shafer > Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 16:14:56 -0600 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BRE] OT maybe: How do Brethren grow churches? > > I am not a member of the Brethren Church but my Father grew up Old German > Baptist. His paternal side dates back to the 1700s with German Baptist > membership. I found the answers here very interesting. Lately, I've been > reading some at the www.wallbuilders.com site about how the minority have > shut God out of our country. Facts and statistics are given in relation to > the fact our Fore Fathers recognized Christianity as being a part of our > nation. I would like to encourage everyone who is a Christian to stand firm. > Read about what our Fore Fathers had planned for this nation that they > always believed would be Christian centered. Now, we are becoming the > "imbeciles". I really hope those who are the "salt of the earth" such as my > Father's people will stand firm against the evils that are coming into our > world. Once we were as German Baptists as "separatists" and stood for what > was right in the world. I believe the German Baptists are the "salt of the > earth" together with all who love Christ. When I was a child, I was told > that Christians might be persecuted in our country. I couldn't believe that, > now, however, I must admit I am beginning to wonder. My own heart tells me > when we turn against God as a Nation, we are in for a very rocky road. I am > proud of our Brethren Heritage and I pray God will bless each Dunkard, COB > and every Christian. In my own life, I often realized things to late and > made more than my share of mistakes. I hope more will turn towards the light > in our world and fight the good fight while we are here. Thank you for > allowing me to share my thoughts, Iris, Daughter of Ira D. Cripe > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 8:26 AM, J.A. Florian <[email protected]> wrote: > > > This might be off-topic (I hope not too much.) > > > > We all know churches today go through declines. Sometimes they revitalize > > and grow; other times, the congregation moves on and the church closes. > > > > I haven't seen much about Dunkard or COB churches that closed in the past. > > I know of one that was hit by lightning sometime around 1920-30 and later > > was torn down, but the congregation still had its mother church to attend. > > > > I believe I read about one church that closed for a time in the 1940s, but > > re-opened later. > > > > I'm wondering about the methods Brethren have used to grow their churches. > > How did they attract members? And retain members. > > > > With all the current pressures (financial, jobs, family), and world > > changes, > > how do Brethren keep their churches going today? > > > > I've been wondering about this for a while so thought I'd finally ask. > > > > Judy > > > > ------------------------ > > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > > ------------------------ > > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > > ------------------------ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Come home to www.soldiersangels.org and adopt a Soldier! They have given so > much to us. > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi James, I will respect your post. But I did want to write a clarification of my first message. Rather than asking for opinion about doctrine or practices, I had hoped to gain a little insight about the historical and current methods of gaining and keeping membership alive. (For example, what do churches do when people drift away? i.e. contact them? leave them alone? Do CObs "advertise" to the community or to its old members?) Further, I had hoped to maybe find a small suggestion of how I, as an outsider (though not a member), might help to support a COB church that has struggled to keep open. We all know that in any endeavor, it's hard to keep enthusiasm high when we're doing a task alone (or in isolation) and how we can build each other up in any activity (not just in religious activity). I guess I hoped to learn more about methods used to ' grow a church' so I could be more supportive to the remaining members. I'm in another State so there's little I can do in-person. Please respond OFF-List to cageycat "AT" gmail.com if you have a comment about old or new ways to build membership, or ideas about how I could be the most helpful or supportive. ("Reply" is set to insert the List Address so please remember to delete that, or just open a new Compose Mail before replying to my email address.) I apologize that my question veered the conversation away from the List rules. Thank you, Judy On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 8:29 PM, James Shuman <[email protected]> wrote: > Friends and Colleagues, > > Although the first few messages on this topic were fairly acceptable, > the nature of the thread was such that it soon veered in the > direction that we have long asked our members not to pursue. > >

Amen, Iris.  Your letter was filled with my history.  My father also was raised in the a long background of COB family members.  I am a Baptist now.  I also grew up thinking there was no way we would ever be persecuted in this country but the safety we felt was ours to worship God is fastly becoming a luxury that we must protect.    May the brethren, and all Christian groups band together and stand firm in the faith and the love of God.   Sherry Newman, GGgrand daughter of Christian Simmons of West Virginia and Tennessee, and great niece of Thomas Jefferson Simmons of Tennessee and Missouri. I hold my families roots in the church as a precious tie to the beliefs of the COB.  George and Sherry  "IN GOD WE TRUST" --- On Tue, 1/25/11, Iris Wilde <[email protected]> wrote: From: Iris Wilde <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BRE] OT maybe: How do Brethren grow churches? To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, January 25, 2011, 4:14 PM I am not a member of the Brethren Church but my Father grew up Old German Baptist. His paternal side dates back to the 1700s with German Baptist membership. I found the answers here very interesting. Lately, I've been reading some at the www.wallbuilders.com site about how the minority have shut God out of our country. Facts and statistics are given in relation to the fact our Fore Fathers recognized Christianity as being a part of our nation. I would like to encourage everyone who is a Christian to stand firm. Read about what our Fore Fathers had planned for this nation that they always believed would be Christian centered. Now, we are becoming the "imbeciles". I really hope those who are the "salt of the earth" such as my Father's people will stand firm against the evils that are coming into our world. Once we were as German Baptists as  "separatists" and stood for what was right in the world. I believe the German Baptists are the "salt of  the earth" together with all who love Christ. When I was a child, I was told that Christians might be persecuted in our country. I couldn't believe that, now, however, I must admit I am beginning to wonder. My own heart tells me when we turn against God as a Nation, we are in for a very rocky road. I am proud of our Brethren Heritage and I pray God will bless each Dunkard, COB and every Christian. In my own life, I often realized things to late and made more than my share of mistakes. I hope more will turn towards the light in our world and fight the good fight while we are here.  Thank you for allowing me to share my thoughts, Iris, Daughter of Ira D. Cripe On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 8:26 AM, J.A. Florian <[email protected]> wrote: > This might be off-topic (I hope not too much.) > > We all know churches today go through declines.  Sometimes they revitalize > and grow; other times, the congregation moves on and the church closes. > > I haven't seen much about Dunkard or COB churches that closed in the past. > I know of one that was hit by lightning sometime around 1920-30 and later > was torn down, but the congregation still had its mother church to attend. > > I believe I read about one church that closed for a time in the 1940s, but > re-opened later. > > I'm wondering about the methods Brethren have used to grow their churches. > How did they attract members?  And retain members. > > With all the current pressures (financial, jobs, family), and world > changes, > how do Brethren keep their churches going today? > > I've been wondering about this for a while so thought I'd finally ask. > > Judy > >                               ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >                               ------------------------ >                        Support Our Sponsoring Agency >            The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] >                               ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Come home to www.soldiersangels.org and adopt a Soldier! They have given so much to us.                                ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN                                ------------------------                         Support Our Sponsoring Agency             The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected]                                ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have to agree with my cousin Diane that the Brethren List is not the appropriate place to run a contemporary political forum, and trust that our moderators might step in and remind us that the purpose of our list is to discuss Brethren family history. Dwayne Wrightsman -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Diane Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] OT maybe: How do Brethren grow churches? If this list continues in this "anti-anything not Christianity" political vein, I will un-subscribe. Remember, these same founding fathers that are so revered 1) allowed slavery and 2) only gave white men the right to vote. Let's get back on subject..................... Diane Wrightsman Tavoian "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." --H. L. Mencken -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Iris Wilde Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 4:57 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] OT maybe: How do Brethren grow churches? John, If I may, I encourage you to read some of the materials at www.wallbuilders.com and our Ancestors original intents regarding Christianity. It was a minority who has made our country turn away from God. Government was never intended to be totally separated from religion only expression of religion. Everyone was suppose to be free to worship our God in the ways they saw fit. However, what we have due to the minority is much different. I have enjoyed reading the information from David Barton. My Father was drafted in WWI and that's when he left his childhood religion. I believe he always missed the religion but he stayed religious. I learned a lot from him. I always say, "My Dad was 61 years *young* when I was born." He was indeed the youngest "old" man I've ever known. I'm trying to write a historical mixed fictional and bio of my own personal genealogy. What I'm trying to do is to write about the time frame that the particular relative would have lived in by studying this. The account is fictional truth except for the person who is my actual ancestor. This book will NOT be published. It's only for my use only. It's a way I'm learning. If anyone has any books they'd like to recommend that I read regarding the time frames of 1600 onward, I would absolutely love that. I am honored to be a member of the Brethren Heritage Center. I absolutely believe we are the salt of the earth as long as we turn towards the Light that is Christ Jesus. I do believe we are all spiritual cousins and if you trace back far enough we are all a part of each other. Thanks John for your letter. I need to read more about being a "Torie" during the Revolution. I have so much to learn. I have all these names going back to the late 1600s but I have very little idea what their lives would have been like living during those time frames. I believe from the work I have done on my Grandmother Robison I have learned much more about her and in some "odd" way feel closer to her based on what I have discovered about her. My Best, Iris Daughter of Ira D. Cripe On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 4:22 PM, john shafer <[email protected]> wrote: > > Iris, you make some good points. We also need to be very careful not to > put too much trust in the country. Historically we learned that we can only > put our trust in God because the country can turn against you at a moment's > notice. (As the Brethren learned firsthand in Europe, and actually in this > country also as they were persecuted for being "Tories" during the > Revolution and again when the government tried to draft them into the army > against their beliefs.) So counting on the country to be "Christian" is a > trap, and against our understanding of the separation of Church and State. > Your point about being "salt of the earth" is excellent. Sorry if I am off > topic. I've enjoyed your emails as you search for your family history. > We're all spiritual cousins. > > John Shafer > > > Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 16:14:56 -0600 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [BRE] OT maybe: How do Brethren grow churches? > > > > I am not a member of the Brethren Church but my Father grew up Old German > > Baptist. His paternal side dates back to the 1700s with German Baptist > > membership. I found the answers here very interesting. Lately, I've been > > reading some at the www.wallbuilders.com site about how the minority > have > > shut God out of our country. Facts and statistics are given in relation > to > > the fact our Fore Fathers recognized Christianity as being a part of our > > nation. I would like to encourage everyone who is a Christian to stand > firm. > > Read about what our Fore Fathers had planned for this nation that they > > always believed would be Christian centered. Now, we are becoming the > > "imbeciles". I really hope those who are the "salt of the earth" such as > my > > Father's people will stand firm against the evils that are coming into > our > > world. Once we were as German Baptists as "separatists" and stood for > what > > was right in the world. I believe the German Baptists are the "salt of > the > > earth" together with all who love Christ. When I was a child, I was told > > that Christians might be persecuted in our country. I couldn't believe > that, > > now, however, I must admit I am beginning to wonder. My own heart tells > me > > when we turn against God as a Nation, we are in for a very rocky road. I > am > > proud of our Brethren Heritage and I pray God will bless each Dunkard, > COB > > and every Christian. In my own life, I often realized things to late and > > made more than my share of mistakes. I hope more will turn towards the > light > > in our world and fight the good fight while we are here. Thank you for > > allowing me to share my thoughts, Iris, Daughter of Ira D. Cripe > > > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 8:26 AM, J.A. Florian <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > This might be off-topic (I hope not too much.) > > > > > > We all know churches today go through declines. Sometimes they > revitalize > > > and grow; other times, the congregation moves on and the church closes. > > > > > > I haven't seen much about Dunkard or COB churches that closed in the > past. > > > I know of one that was hit by lightning sometime around 1920-30 and > later > > > was torn down, but the congregation still had its mother church to > attend. > > > > > > I believe I read about one church that closed for a time in the 1940s, > but > > > re-opened later. > > > > > > I'm wondering about the methods Brethren have used to grow their > churches. > > > How did they attract members? And retain members. > > > > > > With all the current pressures (financial, jobs, family), and world > > > changes, > > > how do Brethren keep their churches going today? > > > > > > I've been wondering about this for a while so thought I'd finally ask. > > > > > > Judy > > > > > > ------------------------ > > > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > > > ------------------------ > > > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > > > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > > > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto: > [email protected] > > > ------------------------ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Come home to www.soldiersangels.org and adopt a Soldier! They have given > so > > much to us. > > > > ------------------------ > > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > > ------------------------ > > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > > ------------------------ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Come home to www.soldiersangels.org and adopt a Soldier! They have given so much to us. ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

So, I've come across some interesting history on Jacob Grieb's family in the Brethren Archives. For anyone who is interested in this lineage and hasn't seen the link, it can be found here: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/BRETHREN/2010-09/1285773253 It is really fascinating to read about our ancestors. My Best, Iris Daughter of Ira D. Cripe -- Come home to www.soldiersangels.org and adopt a Soldier! They have given so much to us.

I also agree that we are not a political forum. I am very interested in the continuation of Brethren family history. I am grateful for all I have learned here. My Best, Iris Daughter of Ira D. Cripe On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Dwayne Wrightsman <[email protected]>wrote: > I have to agree with my cousin Diane that the Brethren List is not the > appropriate place to run a contemporary political forum, and trust that our > moderators might step in and remind us that the purpose of our list is to > discuss Brethren family history. > > Dwayne Wrightsman > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Diane > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:06 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BRE] OT maybe: How do Brethren grow churches? > > If this list continues in this "anti-anything not Christianity" political > vein, I will un-subscribe. > > Remember, these same founding fathers that are so revered 1) allowed > slavery > and 2) only gave white men the right to vote. > > Let's get back on subject..................... > > Diane Wrightsman Tavoian > > > > "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and > hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series > of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." > --H. L. Mencken > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Iris Wilde > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 4:57 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BRE] OT maybe: How do Brethren grow churches? > > John, > If I may, I encourage you to read some of the materials at > www.wallbuilders.com and our Ancestors original intents regarding > Christianity. It was a minority who has made our country turn away from > God. > Government was never intended to be totally separated from religion only > expression of religion. Everyone was suppose to be free to worship our God > in the ways they saw fit. However, what we have due to the minority is much > different. I have enjoyed reading the information from David Barton. My > Father was drafted in WWI and that's when he left his childhood religion. I > believe he always missed the religion but he stayed religious. I learned a > lot from him. I always say, "My Dad was 61 years *young* when I was born." > He was indeed the youngest "old" man I've ever known. > I'm trying to write a historical mixed fictional and bio of > my own personal genealogy. What I'm trying to do is to write about the time > frame that the particular relative would have lived in by studying this. > The account is fictional truth except for the person who is my actual > ancestor. This book will NOT be published. It's only for my use only. It's > a > way I'm learning. If anyone has any books they'd like to recommend that I > read regarding the time frames of 1600 onward, I would absolutely love > that. > I am honored to be a member of the Brethren Heritage Center. I absolutely > believe we are the salt of the earth as long as we turn towards the Light > that is Christ Jesus. I do believe we are all spiritual cousins and if you > trace back far enough we are all a part of each other. Thanks John for your > letter. I need to read more about being a "Torie" during the Revolution. I > have so much to learn. I have all these names going back to the late 1600s > but I have very little idea what their lives would have been like living > during those time frames. I believe from the work I have done on my > Grandmother Robison I have learned much more about her and in some "odd" > way > feel closer to her based on what I have discovered about her. My Best, Iris > Daughter of Ira D. Cripe > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 4:22 PM, john shafer <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Iris, you make some good points. We also need to be very careful not to > > put too much trust in the country. Historically we learned that we can > only > > put our trust in God because the country can turn against you at a > moment's > > notice. (As the Brethren learned firsthand in Europe, and actually in > this > > country also as they were persecuted for being "Tories" during the > > Revolution and again when the government tried to draft them into the > army > > against their beliefs.) So counting on the country to be "Christian" is a > > trap, and against our understanding of the separation of Church and > State. > > Your point about being "salt of the earth" is excellent. Sorry if I am > off > > topic. I've enjoyed your emails as you search for your family history. > > We're all spiritual cousins. > > > > John Shafer > > > > > Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 16:14:56 -0600 > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [BRE] OT maybe: How do Brethren grow churches? > > > > > > I am not a member of the Brethren Church but my Father grew up Old > German > > > Baptist. His paternal side dates back to the 1700s with German Baptist > > > membership. I found the answers here very interesting. Lately, I've > been > > > reading some at the www.wallbuilders.com site about how the minority > > have > > > shut God out of our country. Facts and statistics are given in relation > > to > > > the fact our Fore Fathers recognized Christianity as being a part of > our > > > nation. I would like to encourage everyone who is a Christian to stand > > firm. > > > Read about what our Fore Fathers had planned for this nation that they > > > always believed would be Christian centered. Now, we are becoming the > > > "imbeciles". I really hope those who are the "salt of the earth" such > as > > my > > > Father's people will stand firm against the evils that are coming into > > our > > > world. Once we were as German Baptists as "separatists" and stood for > > what > > > was right in the world. I believe the German Baptists are the "salt of > > the > > > earth" together with all who love Christ. When I was a child, I was > told > > > that Christians might be persecuted in our country. I couldn't believe > > that, > > > now, however, I must admit I am beginning to wonder. My own heart tells > > me > > > when we turn against God as a Nation, we are in for a very rocky road. > I > > am > > > proud of our Brethren Heritage and I pray God will bless each Dunkard, > > COB > > > and every Christian. In my own life, I often realized things to late > and > > > made more than my share of mistakes. I hope more will turn towards the > > light > > > in our world and fight the good fight while we are here. Thank you for > > > allowing me to share my thoughts, Iris, Daughter of Ira D. Cripe > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 8:26 AM, J.A. Florian <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > This might be off-topic (I hope not too much.) > > > > > > > > We all know churches today go through declines. Sometimes they > > revitalize > > > > and grow; other times, the congregation moves on and the church > closes. > > > > > > > > I haven't seen much about Dunkard or COB churches that closed in the > > past. > > > > I know of one that was hit by lightning sometime around 1920-30 and > > later > > > > was torn down, but the congregation still had its mother church to > > attend. > > > > > > > > I believe I read about one church that closed for a time in the > 1940s, > > but > > > > re-opened later. > > > > > > > > I'm wondering about the methods Brethren have used to grow their > > churches. > > > > How did they attract members? And retain members. > > > > > > > > With all the current pressures (financial, jobs, family), and world > > > > changes, > > > > how do Brethren keep their churches going today? > > > > > > > > I've been wondering about this for a while so thought I'd finally > ask. > > > > > > > > Judy > > > > > > > > ------------------------ > > > > Search the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > > > > ------------------------ > > > > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > > > > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > > > > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto: > > [email protected] > > > > ------------------------ > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Come home to www.soldiersangels.org and adopt a Soldier! They have > given > > so > > > much to us. > > > > > > ------------------------ > > > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > > > ------------------------ > > > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > > > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > > > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto: > [email protected] > > > ------------------------ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------ > > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > > ------------------------ > > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > > ------------------------ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected]om with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Come home to www.soldiersangels.org and adopt a Soldier! They have given > so > much to us. > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Come home to www.soldiersangels.org and adopt a Soldier! They have given so much to us.

> You might try Google Books and search for each Ohio County--- then do a > search for your families' names. Keep a list of which county histories > you > search so you'll have those 'negative results'. Not all families made the > history books, but it's worth a try. As you know, county bios usually say > where a family's ancestor was from. > Minor correction: County bio sketches usually say where a family's ancestor was SUPPOSEDLY from. This is the area in which I have the bio sketches most frequently in error. The most recent one read says the person's father was born in PA, whereas he is was born in MD. - His grandfather was born in PA, though (so far as I know). I have seen the sketches (and census records, for that matter) indicate a person was born in Germany whereas they are documented as having lived in the U.S. for at least a couple generations. Bob Harter

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My apologies. Regarding #1 and #2 I only suggest that you read the actual documents that our Founding Fathers wrote. Let's get back on subject please. Thank you for helping us stay focused. My Best, Iris Daughter of Ira D. Cripe On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Diane <[email protected]> wrote: > If this list continues in this "anti-anything not Christianity" political > vein, I will un-subscribe. > > Remember, these same founding fathers that are so revered 1) allowed > slavery > and 2) only gave white men the right to vote. > > Let's get back on subject..................... > > Diane Wrightsman Tavoian > > > > "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and > hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series > of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." > --H. L. Mencken > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Iris Wilde > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 4:57 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BRE] OT maybe: How do Brethren grow churches? > > John, > If I may, I encourage you to read some of the materials at > www.wallbuilders.com and our Ancestors original intents regarding > Christianity. It was a minority who has made our country turn away from > God. > Government was never intended to be totally separated from religion only > expression of religion. Everyone was suppose to be free to worship our God > in the ways they saw fit. However, what we have due to the minority is much > different. I have enjoyed reading the information from David Barton. My > Father was drafted in WWI and that's when he left his childhood religion. I > believe he always missed the religion but he stayed religious. I learned a > lot from him. I always say, "My Dad was 61 years *young* when I was born." > He was indeed the youngest "old" man I've ever known. > I'm trying to write a historical mixed fictional and bio of > my own personal genealogy. What I'm trying to do is to write about the time > frame that the particular relative would have lived in by studying this. > The account is fictional truth except for the person who is my actual > ancestor. This book will NOT be published. It's only for my use only. It's > a > way I'm learning. If anyone has any books they'd like to recommend that I > read regarding the time frames of 1600 onward, I would absolutely love > that. > I am honored to be a member of the Brethren Heritage Center. I absolutely > believe we are the salt of the earth as long as we turn towards the Light > that is Christ Jesus. I do believe we are all spiritual cousins and if you > trace back far enough we are all a part of each other. Thanks John for your > letter. I need to read more about being a "Torie" during the Revolution. I > have so much to learn. I have all these names going back to the late 1600s > but I have very little idea what their lives would have been like living > during those time frames. I believe from the work I have done on my > Grandmother Robison I have learned much more about her and in some "odd" > way > feel closer to her based on what I have discovered about her. My Best, Iris > Daughter of Ira D. Cripe > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 4:22 PM, john shafer <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Iris, you make some good points. We also need to be very careful not to > > put too much trust in the country. Historically we learned that we can > only > > put our trust in God because the country can turn against you at a > moment's > > notice. (As the Brethren learned firsthand in Europe, and actually in > this > > country also as they were persecuted for being "Tories" during the > > Revolution and again when the government tried to draft them into the > army > > against their beliefs.) So counting on the country to be "Christian" is a > > trap, and against our understanding of the separation of Church and > State. > > Your point about being "salt of the earth" is excellent. Sorry if I am > off > > topic. I've enjoyed your emails as you search for your family history. > > We're all spiritual cousins. > > > > John Shafer > > > > > Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 16:14:56 -0600 > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [BRE] OT maybe: How do Brethren grow churches? > > > > > > I am not a member of the Brethren Church but my Father grew up Old > German > > > Baptist. His paternal side dates back to the 1700s with German Baptist > > > membership. I found the answers here very interesting. Lately, I've > been > > > reading some at the www.wallbuilders.com site about how the minority > > have > > > shut God out of our country. Facts and statistics are given in relation > > to > > > the fact our Fore Fathers recognized Christianity as being a part of > our > > > nation. I would like to encourage everyone who is a Christian to stand > > firm. > > > Read about what our Fore Fathers had planned for this nation that they > > > always believed would be Christian centered. Now, we are becoming the > > > "imbeciles". I really hope those who are the "salt of the earth" such > as > > my > > > Father's people will stand firm against the evils that are coming into > > our > > > world. Once we were as German Baptists as "separatists" and stood for > > what > > > was right in the world. I believe the German Baptists are the "salt of > > the > > > earth" together with all who love Christ. When I was a child, I was > told > > > that Christians might be persecuted in our country. I couldn't believe > > that, > > > now, however, I must admit I am beginning to wonder. My own heart tells > > me > > > when we turn against God as a Nation, we are in for a very rocky road. > I > > am > > > proud of our Brethren Heritage and I pray God will bless each Dunkard, > > COB > > > and every Christian. In my own life, I often realized things to late > and > > > made more than my share of mistakes. I hope more will turn towards the > > light > > > in our world and fight the good fight while we are here. Thank you for > > > allowing me to share my thoughts, Iris, Daughter of Ira D. Cripe > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 8:26 AM, J.A. Florian <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > This might be off-topic (I hope not too much.) > > > > > > > > We all know churches today go through declines. Sometimes they > > revitalize > > > > and grow; other times, the congregation moves on and the church > closes. > > > > > > > > I haven't seen much about Dunkard or COB churches that closed in the > > past. > > > > I know of one that was hit by lightning sometime around 1920-30 and > > later > > > > was torn down, but the congregation still had its mother church to > > attend. > > > > > > > > I believe I read about one church that closed for a time in the > 1940s, > > but > > > > re-opened later. > > > > > > > > I'm wondering about the methods Brethren have used to grow their > > churches. > > > > How did they attract members? And retain members. > > > > > > > > With all the current pressures (financial, jobs, family), and world > > > > changes, > > > > how do Brethren keep their churches going today? > > > > > > > > I've been wondering about this for a while so thought I'd finally > ask. > > > > > > > > Judy > > > > > > > > ------------------------ > > > > Search the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > > > > ------------------------ > > > > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > > > > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > > > > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto: > > [email protected] > > > > ------------------------ > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Come home to www.soldiersangels.org and adopt a Soldier! They have > given > > so > > > much to us. > > > > > > ------------------------ > > > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > > > ------------------------ > > > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > > > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > > > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto: > [email protected] > > > ------------------------ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------ > > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > > ------------------------ > > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > > ------------------------ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Come home to www.soldiersangels.org and adopt a Soldier! They have given > so > much to us. > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Come home to www.soldiersangels.org and adopt a Soldier! 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If this list continues in this "anti-anything not Christianity" political vein, I will un-subscribe. Remember, these same founding fathers that are so revered 1) allowed slavery and 2) only gave white men the right to vote. Let's get back on subject..................... Diane Wrightsman Tavoian "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." --H. L. Mencken -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Iris Wilde Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 4:57 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] OT maybe: How do Brethren grow churches? John, If I may, I encourage you to read some of the materials at www.wallbuilders.com and our Ancestors original intents regarding Christianity. It was a minority who has made our country turn away from God. Government was never intended to be totally separated from religion only expression of religion. Everyone was suppose to be free to worship our God in the ways they saw fit. However, what we have due to the minority is much different. I have enjoyed reading the information from David Barton. My Father was drafted in WWI and that's when he left his childhood religion. I believe he always missed the religion but he stayed religious. I learned a lot from him. I always say, "My Dad was 61 years *young* when I was born." He was indeed the youngest "old" man I've ever known. I'm trying to write a historical mixed fictional and bio of my own personal genealogy. What I'm trying to do is to write about the time frame that the particular relative would have lived in by studying this. The account is fictional truth except for the person who is my actual ancestor. This book will NOT be published. It's only for my use only. It's a way I'm learning. If anyone has any books they'd like to recommend that I read regarding the time frames of 1600 onward, I would absolutely love that. I am honored to be a member of the Brethren Heritage Center. I absolutely believe we are the salt of the earth as long as we turn towards the Light that is Christ Jesus. I do believe we are all spiritual cousins and if you trace back far enough we are all a part of each other. Thanks John for your letter. I need to read more about being a "Torie" during the Revolution. I have so much to learn. I have all these names going back to the late 1600s but I have very little idea what their lives would have been like living during those time frames. I believe from the work I have done on my Grandmother Robison I have learned much more about her and in some "odd" way feel closer to her based on what I have discovered about her. My Best, Iris Daughter of Ira D. Cripe On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 4:22 PM, john shafer <[email protected]> wrote: > > Iris, you make some good points. We also need to be very careful not to > put too much trust in the country. Historically we learned that we can only > put our trust in God because the country can turn against you at a moment's > notice. (As the Brethren learned firsthand in Europe, and actually in this > country also as they were persecuted for being "Tories" during the > Revolution and again when the government tried to draft them into the army > against their beliefs.) So counting on the country to be "Christian" is a > trap, and against our understanding of the separation of Church and State. > Your point about being "salt of the earth" is excellent. Sorry if I am off > topic. I've enjoyed your emails as you search for your family history. > We're all spiritual cousins. > > John Shafer > > > Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 16:14:56 -0600 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [BRE] OT maybe: How do Brethren grow churches? > > > > I am not a member of the Brethren Church but my Father grew up Old German > > Baptist. His paternal side dates back to the 1700s with German Baptist > > membership. I found the answers here very interesting. Lately, I've been > > reading some at the www.wallbuilders.com site about how the minority > have > > shut God out of our country. Facts and statistics are given in relation > to > > the fact our Fore Fathers recognized Christianity as being a part of our > > nation. I would like to encourage everyone who is a Christian to stand > firm. > > Read about what our Fore Fathers had planned for this nation that they > > always believed would be Christian centered. Now, we are becoming the > > "imbeciles". I really hope those who are the "salt of the earth" such as > my > > Father's people will stand firm against the evils that are coming into > our > > world. Once we were as German Baptists as "separatists" and stood for > what > > was right in the world. I believe the German Baptists are the "salt of > the > > earth" together with all who love Christ. When I was a child, I was told > > that Christians might be persecuted in our country. I couldn't believe > that, > > now, however, I must admit I am beginning to wonder. My own heart tells > me > > when we turn against God as a Nation, we are in for a very rocky road. I > am > > proud of our Brethren Heritage and I pray God will bless each Dunkard, > COB > > and every Christian. In my own life, I often realized things to late and > > made more than my share of mistakes. I hope more will turn towards the > light > > in our world and fight the good fight while we are here. Thank you for > > allowing me to share my thoughts, Iris, Daughter of Ira D. Cripe > > > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 8:26 AM, J.A. Florian <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > This might be off-topic (I hope not too much.) > > > > > > We all know churches today go through declines. Sometimes they > revitalize > > > and grow; other times, the congregation moves on and the church closes. > > > > > > I haven't seen much about Dunkard or COB churches that closed in the > past. > > > I know of one that was hit by lightning sometime around 1920-30 and > later > > > was torn down, but the congregation still had its mother church to > attend. > > > > > > I believe I read about one church that closed for a time in the 1940s, > but > > > re-opened later. > > > > > > I'm wondering about the methods Brethren have used to grow their > churches. > > > How did they attract members? And retain members. > > > > > > With all the current pressures (financial, jobs, family), and world > > > changes, > > > how do Brethren keep their churches going today? > > > > > > I've been wondering about this for a while so thought I'd finally ask. > > > > > > Judy > > > > > > ------------------------ > > > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > > > ------------------------ > > > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > > > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > > > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto: > [email protected] > > > ------------------------ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Come home to www.soldiersangels.org and adopt a Soldier! They have given > so > > much to us. > > > > ------------------------ > > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > > ------------------------ > > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > > ------------------------ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Come home to www.soldiersangels.org and adopt a Soldier! 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That part is quite confusing to me Bob. I'm not sure how they got their information so mixed up but some of it might have been like their last names when they were misspelled. Sometimes it at least gives us an "inkling" of where we are most likely from. I am going to work on these google books and see what I can learn. Thank you for your very helpful input, Iris On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Bob Harter <[email protected]>wrote: > > You might try Google Books and search for each Ohio County--- then do a > > search for your families' names. Keep a list of which county histories > > you > > search so you'll have those 'negative results'. Not all families made > the > > history books, but it's worth a try. As you know, county bios usually > say > > where a family's ancestor was from. > > > > Minor correction: County bio sketches usually say where a family's ancestor > was SUPPOSEDLY from. This is the area in which I have the bio sketches most > frequently in error. The most recent one read says the person's father was > born in PA, whereas he is was born in MD. - His grandfather was born in PA, > though (so far as I know). I have seen the sketches (and census records, > for > that matter) indicate a person was born in Germany whereas they are > documented as having lived in the U.S. for at least a couple generations. > > Bob Harter > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Come home to www.soldiersangels.org and adopt a Soldier! They have given so much to us.

John, If I may, I encourage you to read some of the materials at www.wallbuilders.com and our Ancestors original intents regarding Christianity. It was a minority who has made our country turn away from God. Government was never intended to be totally separated from religion only expression of religion. Everyone was suppose to be free to worship our God in the ways they saw fit. However, what we have due to the minority is much different. I have enjoyed reading the information from David Barton. My Father was drafted in WWI and that's when he left his childhood religion. I believe he always missed the religion but he stayed religious. I learned a lot from him. I always say, "My Dad was 61 years *young* when I was born." He was indeed the youngest "old" man I've ever known. I'm trying to write a historical mixed fictional and bio of my own personal genealogy. What I'm trying to do is to write about the time frame that the particular relative would have lived in by studying this. The account is fictional truth except for the person who is my actual ancestor. This book will NOT be published. It's only for my use only. It's a way I'm learning. If anyone has any books they'd like to recommend that I read regarding the time frames of 1600 onward, I would absolutely love that. I am honored to be a member of the Brethren Heritage Center. I absolutely believe we are the salt of the earth as long as we turn towards the Light that is Christ Jesus. I do believe we are all spiritual cousins and if you trace back far enough we are all a part of each other. Thanks John for your letter. I need to read more about being a "Torie" during the Revolution. I have so much to learn. I have all these names going back to the late 1600s but I have very little idea what their lives would have been like living during those time frames. I believe from the work I have done on my Grandmother Robison I have learned much more about her and in some "odd" way feel closer to her based on what I have discovered about her. My Best, Iris Daughter of Ira D. Cripe On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 4:22 PM, john shafer <[email protected]> wrote: > > Iris, you make some good points. We also need to be very careful not to > put too much trust in the country. Historically we learned that we can only > put our trust in God because the country can turn against you at a moment's > notice. (As the Brethren learned firsthand in Europe, and actually in this > country also as they were persecuted for being "Tories" during the > Revolution and again when the government tried to draft them into the army > against their beliefs.) So counting on the country to be "Christian" is a > trap, and against our understanding of the separation of Church and State. > Your point about being "salt of the earth" is excellent. Sorry if I am off > topic. I've enjoyed your emails as you search for your family history. > We're all spiritual cousins. > > John Shafer > > > Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 16:14:56 -0600 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [BRE] OT maybe: How do Brethren grow churches? > > > > I am not a member of the Brethren Church but my Father grew up Old German > > Baptist. His paternal side dates back to the 1700s with German Baptist > > membership. I found the answers here very interesting. Lately, I've been > > reading some at the www.wallbuilders.com site about how the minority > have > > shut God out of our country. Facts and statistics are given in relation > to > > the fact our Fore Fathers recognized Christianity as being a part of our > > nation. I would like to encourage everyone who is a Christian to stand > firm. > > Read about what our Fore Fathers had planned for this nation that they > > always believed would be Christian centered. Now, we are becoming the > > "imbeciles". I really hope those who are the "salt of the earth" such as > my > > Father's people will stand firm against the evils that are coming into > our > > world. Once we were as German Baptists as "separatists" and stood for > what > > was right in the world. I believe the German Baptists are the "salt of > the > > earth" together with all who love Christ. When I was a child, I was told > > that Christians might be persecuted in our country. I couldn't believe > that, > > now, however, I must admit I am beginning to wonder. My own heart tells > me > > when we turn against God as a Nation, we are in for a very rocky road. I > am > > proud of our Brethren Heritage and I pray God will bless each Dunkard, > COB > > and every Christian. In my own life, I often realized things to late and > > made more than my share of mistakes. I hope more will turn towards the > light > > in our world and fight the good fight while we are here. Thank you for > > allowing me to share my thoughts, Iris, Daughter of Ira D. Cripe > > > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 8:26 AM, J.A. Florian <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > This might be off-topic (I hope not too much.) > > > > > > We all know churches today go through declines. Sometimes they > revitalize > > > and grow; other times, the congregation moves on and the church closes. > > > > > > I haven't seen much about Dunkard or COB churches that closed in the > past. > > > I know of one that was hit by lightning sometime around 1920-30 and > later > > > was torn down, but the congregation still had its mother church to > attend. > > > > > > I believe I read about one church that closed for a time in the 1940s, > but > > > re-opened later. > > > > > > I'm wondering about the methods Brethren have used to grow their > churches. > > > How did they attract members? And retain members. > > > > > > With all the current pressures (financial, jobs, family), and world > > > changes, > > > how do Brethren keep their churches going today? > > > > > > I've been wondering about this for a while so thought I'd finally ask. > > > > > > Judy > > > > > > ------------------------ > > > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > > > ------------------------ > > > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > > > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > > > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto: > [email protected] > > > ------------------------ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Come home to www.soldiersangels.org and adopt a Soldier! They have given > so > > much to us. > > > > ------------------------ > > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > > ------------------------ > > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > > ------------------------ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Come home to www.soldiersangels.org and adopt a Soldier! 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Judy, this is a good question. As a longtime member of the Church of the Brethren I have attended a number of congregations in Ohio, Pennsylvania and Virginia. I attend Annual Conference every year. Sadly, the Church of the Brethren as a denomination has been shrinking since the 1960's. At one time the Church of the Brethren grew rapidly because families were large and our congregations were much better at retaining members by maintaining strong community and teaching the beliefs and practices. The German Baptists/Church of the Brethren at times in the history of the church were quite evangelical as well. Many deny this fact now, but it is true and you can read this by reviewing the Brethren publications from the past. Additionally there has been attrition due to congregations being unable to change, and as we know not all change is bad. There are some Brethren congregations that are growing around the country now; generally the ones that make outreach a priority. John Shafer > Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 09:26:09 -0500 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: [BRE] OT maybe: How do Brethren grow churches? > > This might be off-topic (I hope not too much.) > > We all know churches today go through declines. Sometimes they revitalize > and grow; other times, the congregation moves on and the church closes. > > I haven't seen much about Dunkard or COB churches that closed in the past. > I know of one that was hit by lightning sometime around 1920-30 and later > was torn down, but the congregation still had its mother church to attend. > > I believe I read about one church that closed for a time in the 1940s, but > re-opened later. > > I'm wondering about the methods Brethren have used to grow their churches. > How did they attract members? And retain members. > > With all the current pressures (financial, jobs, family), and world changes, > how do Brethren keep their churches going today? > > I've been wondering about this for a while so thought I'd finally ask. > > Judy > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Very well put John. Reading "The Gospel Messenger" and "The Brethren Evangelist" of the 1880s you can see where the Brethren Church, aka Ashland or Progressive Brethren, made the evangelistic cause a top priority as a body. They may not have hit a homerun every time but you have to come up to bat to be in the game. The Conservative Brethren, today's Church of the Brethren, did not stress (at least in an open forum) the teaching of the scriptures or the involvement of the younger generation in the church as a whole. On the other hand the Brethren church considered the children as an integral part of the church itself through their "Children's Department" and "King's Children" sections of their newspaper. And their involvement of the fairer sex (with their influence on the children) ensured that the children were involved. The Conservative Brethren did come around to this way of thinking at a slightly later date. The evangelistic activities of the Brethren before and shortly after the early 1880s splits are well known. But for some reason, and I believe not as a conscious effort, the Conservative branch slowly, gradually began to feel it not too important for the continuing growth of the church. Then by the middle of the last Century, and, likely more a reflection of the expansion of the population as a whole, little non-denominational churches became more prevalent and acceptable as a societal norm. This turn from the more formal church bodies of the 18th and 19th Centuries to those of the present reflects a changing society taken into context with those same religious bodies of olde not realizing or willing to accept the changes taking place. Those of us with fond memories of the church of our childhood, being part of this change, realize too late that something has been lost. It is perhaps only thru our interest in our heritage that we begin to understand what has been lost. Wayne Webb -----Original Message----- Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 16:53:23 +0000 From: john shafer <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BRE] OT maybe: How do Brethren grow churches? To: Brethren Listserve <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Judy, this is a good question. As a longtime member of the Church of the Brethren I have attended a number of congregations in Ohio, Pennsylvania and Virginia. I attend Annual Conference every year. Sadly, the Church of the Brethren as a denomination has been shrinking since the 1960's. At one time the Church of the Brethren grew rapidly because families were large and our congregations were much better at retaining members by maintaining strong community and teaching the beliefs and practices. The German Baptists/Church of the Brethren at times in the history of the church were quite evangelical as well. Many deny this fact now, but it is true and you can read this by reviewing the Brethren publications from the past. Additionally there has been attrition due to congregations being unable to change, and as we know not all change is bad. There are some Brethren congregations that are growing around the country now; generally the ones that make outreach a priority. John Shafer

I am not a member of the Brethren Church but my Father grew up Old German Baptist. His paternal side dates back to the 1700s with German Baptist membership. I found the answers here very interesting. Lately, I've been reading some at the www.wallbuilders.com site about how the minority have shut God out of our country. Facts and statistics are given in relation to the fact our Fore Fathers recognized Christianity as being a part of our nation. I would like to encourage everyone who is a Christian to stand firm. Read about what our Fore Fathers had planned for this nation that they always believed would be Christian centered. Now, we are becoming the "imbeciles". I really hope those who are the "salt of the earth" such as my Father's people will stand firm against the evils that are coming into our world. Once we were as German Baptists as "separatists" and stood for what was right in the world. I believe the German Baptists are the "salt of the earth" together with all who love Christ. When I was a child, I was told that Christians might be persecuted in our country. I couldn't believe that, now, however, I must admit I am beginning to wonder. My own heart tells me when we turn against God as a Nation, we are in for a very rocky road. I am proud of our Brethren Heritage and I pray God will bless each Dunkard, COB and every Christian. In my own life, I often realized things to late and made more than my share of mistakes. I hope more will turn towards the light in our world and fight the good fight while we are here. Thank you for allowing me to share my thoughts, Iris, Daughter of Ira D. Cripe On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 8:26 AM, J.A. Florian <[email protected]> wrote: > This might be off-topic (I hope not too much.) > > We all know churches today go through declines. Sometimes they revitalize > and grow; other times, the congregation moves on and the church closes. > > I haven't seen much about Dunkard or COB churches that closed in the past. > I know of one that was hit by lightning sometime around 1920-30 and later > was torn down, but the congregation still had its mother church to attend. > > I believe I read about one church that closed for a time in the 1940s, but > re-opened later. > > I'm wondering about the methods Brethren have used to grow their churches. > How did they attract members? And retain members. > > With all the current pressures (financial, jobs, family), and world > changes, > how do Brethren keep their churches going today? > > I've been wondering about this for a while so thought I'd finally ask. > > Judy > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Come home to www.soldiersangels.org and adopt a Soldier! They have given so much to us.

Judy, What a super great idea! I was reading in this book about the first case where someone left all their American goods to someone in Ireland and what a dispute that caused.....never thought about property deeds but it makes sense in lieu of what was happening in our country at the time. I will search google books. That will help me tremendously. Sooner or later, I always hope to "dig up something" and lots of times I've been successful. :) Thanks so much, Iris On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:11 AM, J.A. Florian <[email protected]> wrote: > Iris, > > I don't have anything on your family but wanted to offer one tidbit that > might help on the research. > > Ohio was originally held by the Connecticut Land Company, which owners > recruited New England and PA families. Families came as early as the late > 1790s-1801 but rumors began that the property deeds would not be > transferred. Therefore people were reluctant to buy. Then, more people > came between 1810 to 1830s. > > You might try Google Books and search for each Ohio County--- then do a > search for your families' names. Keep a list of which county histories you > search so you'll have those 'negative results'. Not all families made the > history books, but it's worth a try. As you know, county bios usually say > where a family's ancestor was from. > > Judy > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Iris Wilde <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > Tabitha's second husband is Joseph Monz sometimes spelled Minz.Whitley > > County book 2 page 120 shows them as having been married on June 26, 1871 > > with possible spelling of Minz as his last name. They are found in 1880 > > living in Chester Township, Wabash County, Indiana under Montz. Also, the > > spelling on his wife's tombstone states she was wife of Joseph Montz > which > > can be clearly seen. He was a 57 year old farmer and was born in PA in > the > > census. His wife Tabitha J. was 54 and living with them was 15 years old > > Anna Robison whom he identifies as his step-daughter and who was born in > > Indiana. Tobitha has a tombstone spelled Tobitha and listed with death > as > > Nov 1, 1852 and shows on the tombstone that she was wife of Joseph Montz > as > > well as how long she lived. > > Now, regarding my Grandfather, I have in my possession their > > Affidavit for Marriage License which is signed December 31, 1845. They > > were > > married on January 1, 1846 per marriage return. I also have an 1860 > > census > > for them.I have an 1870 census that only names her. I did learn that they > > did the 1870 census I am thinking the census was taken after my > > Grandfather's death in 1870.His tombstone states he died on April 12, > 1870. > > Their child, my *Grandmother's* Sister is called Mari Etta also (which > goes > > nicely with Irena Anna). In the notice from the paper that I sent you, I > > have her sister's name is Mary E. Robinson. My Grandmother's only other > > sister died at 17 years name was Emily Jane. I have traced Tobitha back > to > > being born to a John and Jane Robison in Ohio. That 1850 census has his > > name, her Mother's name as Jane my Great Grandmother's name as Jane as a > > child and shows she had several siblings, none of which I have as of yet > > been successful in tracing. Not only that, I am at a complete deadend > grid > > with determining anything more about her parents other than that her > Father > > came from PA and gives birth of 1793. I have managed also to discover > that > > her Mother's maiden name was Neils from some old records. That's about > all > > I > > know on them. I also don't know what their religious believes and > > foundation > > were. Obviously, I still have some work to do to see if I can determine > if > > land was owned or any other records can be found giving more information. > > In regards to my Robison Great Grandfather, he is shown by > > the 1900 census for Irena A. Cripe to be born in Ohio and the Mother to > be > > born in PA. However, I now feel sure the Mother was born in Ohio so > perhaps > > that got crisscrossed. According to the 1860 Census for Cleveland > Township > > he was indeed born in PA and Tobitha in Ohio. I have ONE lead that may > > eventually prove to be of some merit. I am hoping someday, a very old > > record > > might show up that names the children of Henry and Ann Robison. There is > > one > > male that fits the age of my Grandfather I am told by someone who is a > > descendant of Henry Robison. In the census, it is evidently noted that > > there > > may be eight children. However, names are not given. My Grandfather James > > did own property with real estate valued at $200 and personal estate of > > $112. Also, their Daughter Emily Jane may have been given family names. > It > > is my understanding that Henry Robison is known to have had a daughter by > > the name of Emily. Jane would have been Tobitha's Mother's name. > > I apologize if I have bored you. I am looking for clues wherever > I > > may find them at! Thanks for any help you might be able to give. I'll be > > glad to share anything I come across that may be of interest to you. My > > Best, Iris Daughter of Ira D. Cripe > > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:41 PM, gale honeyman <[email protected] > > >wrote: > > > > > 1880 census says Mary was born in Indiana; 1900 census says she was > born > > > Indiana, both parents born Germany. I failed to locate her thereafter. > > > In 1860 and 1870 census of Indiana, there is no James Robinson born in > > > either Germany or Scotland. > > > > > > Who was Tabitha's 2nd husband? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Iris Wilde" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:32 PM > > > Subject: Re: [BRE] Question > > > > > > > > > >I was sent an obit by family tree members in Indiana after my visit > > > there. > > > > It reads, > > > > Mrs. Mary E. Landis died Wednesday evening at the home of her son, > > Vesta > > > > Landis, in East Manchester Thursday evening of last week she suffered > a > > > > sudden attack of apoplexy and paralysis and was unconscious from then > > > > until > > > > her death. She had been employed in the home of Cornelius Kinsey at > > > Hoover > > > > and was brought to her son's home Tuesday. She became worse and died > > > > Wednesday. The funeral will be held Friday afternoon at two o'clock > at > > > the > > > > Old Order Dunkard church a mile west and a half mile north of town. > > Rev. > > > > Joseph E. Metzger and Elder John Miller of Hoover will have charge of > > the > > > > services. Burial will be in the cemetery by the church. Mary E. > Robison > > > > was > > > > born in Scotland, September 9, 1859, and died at North Manchester, > > > > February > > > > 16, 1916, aged 56 years, 9 months and 12 days. She came with her > > parents > > > > to > > > > this country at an early age and was later married to Joseph E. > Landis, > > > > living about North Manchester untilhis death a few years ago. She had > > > made > > > > her home at Hoover for about six years but often came here to visit > her > > > > son > > > > Vesta, she is survived by one sister, Mrs. Jacob Cripe of Lawrence, > > > > Kansas. > > > > This is from a VERY OLD newspaper clipping and most likely a North > > > > Manchester one. > > > > ********There is also other information on the web that made me > wonder. > > > > Most > > > > of it is over ten years old so I'm thinking perhaps it was just > > > > misunderstood that she actually came as a child from Scotland though > I > > am > > > > saving the clipping (of course)*********** > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 7:16 PM, gale honeyman <[email protected] > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> Iris, > > > >> > > > >> CRIPE--Irene Anna Cripe, daughter of James and Tabitha Jane > Robinson, > > > was > > > >> born Jan. 3, 1864, near North Manchester, Ind. She died at the home > > of > > > >> her > > > >> grandson, Ernest D. Wray, Baldwin City, Kan., on Jan. 15, 1951, age > 87 > > > >> years > > > >> and 12 days. She was the last of her family to be called home. > > > >> She was united in marriage on June 3, 1883 to Jacob E. Cripe near > > > North > > > >> Manchester, Ind. > > > >> They lived near North Manchester until 1898 when they moved with > > their > > > >> family to near Birch Tree, Mo., and in 1900 moved to Kansas. > > > >> abstracted from her obit, The Vindicator, March 1951, pp 94-95 > > > >> > > > >> LANDIS--Mary Etta Robinson, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. James Robinson, > > was > > > >> born Sept. 4, 1859; died Feb 16, 1916, aged 56 years, 5 mos, and 12 > > das. > > > >> She united in marriage to Joseph M. Landis, Nov. 17, 1878. > > > >> Funeral by the Brethren at the North Manchester M.H. to a large > and > > > >> attentive audience. > > > >> abstracted from her obit, The Vindicator, April 1916, p 126 > > > >> > > > >> These are the only two obits that mention a James Robinson. There > are > > > >> none > > > >> for him nor Tabitha. > > > >> > > > >> Gale > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ > > > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > > > ------------------------ > > > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > > > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > > > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto: > [email protected] > > > ------------------------ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Come home to www.soldiersangels.org and adopt a Soldier! 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Only a portion of northern Ohio was sold to the Connecticut Land Company. Great portions of northern Ohio was given to Connecticut so that they would give up its claim that Connecticut extended all the way from the border of Ohio and PA to the Pacific Ocean. Roger Rhoads Message: 7 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 11:11:13 -0500 From: "J.A. Florian" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BRE] Question To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Iris, I don't have anything on your family but wanted to offer one tidbit that might help on the research. Ohio was originally held by the Connecticut Land Company, which owners recruited New England and PA families. Families came as early as the late 1790s-1801 but rumors began that the property deeds would not be transferred. Therefore people were reluctant to buy. Then, more people came between 1810 to 1830s. You might try Google Books and search for each Ohio County--- then do a search for your families' names. Keep a list of which county histories you search so you'll have those 'negative results'. Not all families made the history books, but it's worth a try. As you know, county bios usually say where a family's ancestor was from. Judy On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Iris Wilde <[email protected]>wrote: > Tabitha's second husband is Joseph Monz sometimes spelled Minz.Whitley > County book 2 page 120 shows them as having been married on June 26, 1871 > with possible spelling of Minz as his last name. They are found in 1880 > living in Chester Township, Wabash County, Indiana under Montz. Also, the > spelling on his wife's tombstone states she was wife of Joseph Montz which > can be clearly seen. He was a 57 year old farmer and was born in PA in the > census. His wife Tabitha J. was 54 and living with them was 15 years old > Anna Robison whom he identifies as his step-daughter and who was born in > Indiana. Tobitha has a tombstone spelled Tobitha and listed with death as > Nov 1, 1852 and shows on the tombstone that she was wife of Joseph Montz as > well as how long she lived. > Now, regarding my Grandfather, I have in my possession their > Affidavit for Marriage License which is signed December 31, 1845. They > were > married on January 1, 1846 per marriage return. I also have an 1860 > census > for them.I have an 1870 census that only names her. I did learn that they > did the 1870 census I am thinking the census was taken after my > Grandfather's death in 1870.His tombstone states he died on April 12, 1870. > Their child, my *Grandmother's* Sister is called Mari Etta also (which goes > nicely with Irena Anna). In the notice from the paper that I sent you, I > have her sister's name is Mary E. Robinson. My Grandmother's only other > sister died at 17 years name was Emily Jane. I have traced Tobitha back to > being born to a John and Jane Robison in Ohio. That 1850 census has his > name, her Mother's name as Jane my Great Grandmother's name as Jane as a > child and shows she had several siblings, none of which I have as of yet > been successful in tracing. Not only that, I am at a complete deadend grid > with determining anything more about her parents other than that her Father > came from PA and gives birth of 1793. I have managed also to discover that > her Mother's maiden name was Neils from some old records. That's about all > I > know on them. I also don't know what their religious believes and > foundation > were. Obviously, I still have some work to do to see if I can determine if > land was owned or any other records can be found giving more information. > In regards to my Robison Great Grandfather, he is shown by > the 1900 census for Irena A. Cripe to be born in Ohio and the Mother to be > born in PA. However, I now feel sure the Mother was born in Ohio so perhaps > that got crisscrossed. According to the 1860 Census for Cleveland Township > he was indeed born in PA and Tobitha in Ohio. I have ONE lead that may > eventually prove to be of some merit. I am hoping someday, a very old > record > might show up that names the children of Henry and Ann Robison. There is > one > male that fits the age of my Grandfather I am told by someone who is a > descendant of Henry Robison. In the census, it is evidently noted that > there > may be eight children. However, names are not given. My Grandfather James > did own property with real estate valued at $200 and personal estate of > $112. Also, their Daughter Emily Jane may have been given family names. It > is my understanding that Henry Robison is known to have had a daughter by > the name of Emily. Jane would have been Tobitha's Mother's name. > I apologize if I have bored you. I am looking for clues wherever I > may find them at! Thanks for any help you might be able to give. I'll be > glad to share anything I come across that may be of interest to you. My > Best, Iris Daughter of Ira D. Cripe > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:41 PM, gale honeyman <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > 1880 census says Mary was born in Indiana; 1900 census says she was born > > Indiana, both parents born Germany. I failed to locate her thereafter. > > In 1860 and 1870 census of Indiana, there is no James Robinson born in > > either Germany or Scotland. > > > > Who was Tabitha's 2nd husband? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Iris Wilde" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:32 PM > > Subject: Re: [BRE] Question > > > > > > >I was sent an obit by family tree members in Indiana after my visit > > there. > > > It reads, > > > Mrs. Mary E. Landis died Wednesday evening at the home of her son, > Vesta > > > Landis, in East Manchester Thursday evening of last week she suffered a > > > sudden attack of apoplexy and paralysis and was unconscious from then > > > until > > > her death. She had been employed in the home of Cornelius Kinsey at > > Hoover > > > and was brought to her son's home Tuesday. She became worse and died > > > Wednesday. The funeral will be held Friday afternoon at two o'clock at > > the > > > Old Order Dunkard church a mile west and a half mile north of town. > Rev. > > > Joseph E. Metzger and Elder John Miller of Hoover will have charge of > the > > > services. Burial will be in the cemetery by the church. Mary E. Robison > > > was > > > born in Scotland, September 9, 1859, and died at North Manchester, > > > February > > > 16, 1916, aged 56 years, 9 months and 12 days. She came with her > parents > > > to > > > this country at an early age and was later married to Joseph E. Landis, > > > living about North Manchester untilhis death a few years ago. She had > > made > > > her home at Hoover for about six years but often came here to visit her > > > son > > > Vesta, she is survived by one sister, Mrs. Jacob Cripe of Lawrence, > > > Kansas. > > > This is from a VERY OLD newspaper clipping and most likely a North > > > Manchester one. > > > ********There is also other information on the web that made me wonder. > > > Most > > > of it is over ten years old so I'm thinking perhaps it was just > > > misunderstood that she actually came as a child from Scotland though I > am > > > saving the clipping (of course)*********** > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 7:16 PM, gale honeyman <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Iris, > > >> > > >> CRIPE--Irene Anna Cripe, daughter of James and Tabitha Jane Robinson, > > was > > >> born Jan. 3, 1864, near North Manchester, Ind. She died at the home > of > > >> her > > >> grandson, Ernest D. Wray, Baldwin City, Kan., on Jan. 15, 1951, age 87 > > >> years > > >> and 12 days. She was the last of her family to be called home. > > >> She was united in marriage on June 3, 1883 to Jacob E. Cripe near > > North > > >> Manchester, Ind. > > >> They lived near North Manchester until 1898 when they moved with > their > > >> family to near Birch Tree, Mo., and in 1900 moved to Kansas. > > >> abstracted from her obit, The Vindicator, March 1951, pp 94-95 > > >> > > >> LANDIS--Mary Etta Robinson, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. James Robinson, > was > > >> born Sept. 4, 1859; died Feb 16, 1916, aged 56 years, 5 mos, and 12 > das. > > >> She united in marriage to Joseph M. Landis, Nov. 17, 1878. > > >> Funeral by the Brethren at the North Manchester M.H. to a large and > > >> attentive audience. > > >> abstracted from her obit, The Vindicator, April 1916, p 126 > > >> > > >> These are the only two obits that mention a James Robinson. There are > > >> none > > >> for him nor Tabitha. > > >> > > >> Gale > >

Iris, I don't have anything on your family but wanted to offer one tidbit that might help on the research. Ohio was originally held by the Connecticut Land Company, which owners recruited New England and PA families. Families came as early as the late 1790s-1801 but rumors began that the property deeds would not be transferred. Therefore people were reluctant to buy. Then, more people came between 1810 to 1830s. You might try Google Books and search for each Ohio County--- then do a search for your families' names. Keep a list of which county histories you search so you'll have those 'negative results'. Not all families made the history books, but it's worth a try. As you know, county bios usually say where a family's ancestor was from. Judy On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Iris Wilde <[email protected]>wrote: > Tabitha's second husband is Joseph Monz sometimes spelled Minz.Whitley > County book 2 page 120 shows them as having been married on June 26, 1871 > with possible spelling of Minz as his last name. They are found in 1880 > living in Chester Township, Wabash County, Indiana under Montz. Also, the > spelling on his wife's tombstone states she was wife of Joseph Montz which > can be clearly seen. He was a 57 year old farmer and was born in PA in the > census. His wife Tabitha J. was 54 and living with them was 15 years old > Anna Robison whom he identifies as his step-daughter and who was born in > Indiana. Tobitha has a tombstone spelled Tobitha and listed with death as > Nov 1, 1852 and shows on the tombstone that she was wife of Joseph Montz as > well as how long she lived. > Now, regarding my Grandfather, I have in my possession their > Affidavit for Marriage License which is signed December 31, 1845. They > were > married on January 1, 1846 per marriage return. I also have an 1860 > census > for them.I have an 1870 census that only names her. I did learn that they > did the 1870 census I am thinking the census was taken after my > Grandfather's death in 1870.His tombstone states he died on April 12, 1870. > Their child, my *Grandmother's* Sister is called Mari Etta also (which goes > nicely with Irena Anna). In the notice from the paper that I sent you, I > have her sister's name is Mary E. Robinson. My Grandmother's only other > sister died at 17 years name was Emily Jane. I have traced Tobitha back to > being born to a John and Jane Robison in Ohio. That 1850 census has his > name, her Mother's name as Jane my Great Grandmother's name as Jane as a > child and shows she had several siblings, none of which I have as of yet > been successful in tracing. Not only that, I am at a complete deadend grid > with determining anything more about her parents other than that her Father > came from PA and gives birth of 1793. I have managed also to discover that > her Mother's maiden name was Neils from some old records. That's about all > I > know on them. I also don't know what their religious believes and > foundation > were. Obviously, I still have some work to do to see if I can determine if > land was owned or any other records can be found giving more information. > In regards to my Robison Great Grandfather, he is shown by > the 1900 census for Irena A. Cripe to be born in Ohio and the Mother to be > born in PA. However, I now feel sure the Mother was born in Ohio so perhaps > that got crisscrossed. According to the 1860 Census for Cleveland Township > he was indeed born in PA and Tobitha in Ohio. I have ONE lead that may > eventually prove to be of some merit. I am hoping someday, a very old > record > might show up that names the children of Henry and Ann Robison. There is > one > male that fits the age of my Grandfather I am told by someone who is a > descendant of Henry Robison. In the census, it is evidently noted that > there > may be eight children. However, names are not given. My Grandfather James > did own property with real estate valued at $200 and personal estate of > $112. Also, their Daughter Emily Jane may have been given family names. It > is my understanding that Henry Robison is known to have had a daughter by > the name of Emily. Jane would have been Tobitha's Mother's name. > I apologize if I have bored you. I am looking for clues wherever I > may find them at! Thanks for any help you might be able to give. I'll be > glad to share anything I come across that may be of interest to you. My > Best, Iris Daughter of Ira D. Cripe > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:41 PM, gale honeyman <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > 1880 census says Mary was born in Indiana; 1900 census says she was born > > Indiana, both parents born Germany. I failed to locate her thereafter. > > In 1860 and 1870 census of Indiana, there is no James Robinson born in > > either Germany or Scotland. > > > > Who was Tabitha's 2nd husband? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Iris Wilde" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:32 PM > > Subject: Re: [BRE] Question > > > > > > >I was sent an obit by family tree members in Indiana after my visit > > there. > > > It reads, > > > Mrs. Mary E. Landis died Wednesday evening at the home of her son, > Vesta > > > Landis, in East Manchester Thursday evening of last week she suffered a > > > sudden attack of apoplexy and paralysis and was unconscious from then > > > until > > > her death. She had been employed in the home of Cornelius Kinsey at > > Hoover > > > and was brought to her son's home Tuesday. She became worse and died > > > Wednesday. The funeral will be held Friday afternoon at two o'clock at > > the > > > Old Order Dunkard church a mile west and a half mile north of town. > Rev. > > > Joseph E. Metzger and Elder John Miller of Hoover will have charge of > the > > > services. Burial will be in the cemetery by the church. Mary E. Robison > > > was > > > born in Scotland, September 9, 1859, and died at North Manchester, > > > February > > > 16, 1916, aged 56 years, 9 months and 12 days. She came with her > parents > > > to > > > this country at an early age and was later married to Joseph E. Landis, > > > living about North Manchester untilhis death a few years ago. She had > > made > > > her home at Hoover for about six years but often came here to visit her > > > son > > > Vesta, she is survived by one sister, Mrs. Jacob Cripe of Lawrence, > > > Kansas. > > > This is from a VERY OLD newspaper clipping and most likely a North > > > Manchester one. > > > ********There is also other information on the web that made me wonder. > > > Most > > > of it is over ten years old so I'm thinking perhaps it was just > > > misunderstood that she actually came as a child from Scotland though I > am > > > saving the clipping (of course)*********** > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 7:16 PM, gale honeyman <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Iris, > > >> > > >> CRIPE--Irene Anna Cripe, daughter of James and Tabitha Jane Robinson, > > was > > >> born Jan. 3, 1864, near North Manchester, Ind. She died at the home > of > > >> her > > >> grandson, Ernest D. Wray, Baldwin City, Kan., on Jan. 15, 1951, age 87 > > >> years > > >> and 12 days. She was the last of her family to be called home. > > >> She was united in marriage on June 3, 1883 to Jacob E. Cripe near > > North > > >> Manchester, Ind. > > >> They lived near North Manchester until 1898 when they moved with > their > > >> family to near Birch Tree, Mo., and in 1900 moved to Kansas. > > >> abstracted from her obit, The Vindicator, March 1951, pp 94-95 > > >> > > >> LANDIS--Mary Etta Robinson, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. James Robinson, > was > > >> born Sept. 4, 1859; died Feb 16, 1916, aged 56 years, 5 mos, and 12 > das. > > >> She united in marriage to Joseph M. Landis, Nov. 17, 1878. > > >> Funeral by the Brethren at the North Manchester M.H. to a large and > > >> attentive audience. > > >> abstracted from her obit, The Vindicator, April 1916, p 126 > > >> > > >> These are the only two obits that mention a James Robinson. There are > > >> none > > >> for him nor Tabitha. > > >> > > >> Gale > > > > > > ------------------------ > > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > > ------------------------ > > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > > ------------------------ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Come home to www.soldiersangels.org and adopt a Soldier! 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----- Original Message ----- From: Patricia Connell To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 9:37 AM Subject: Re:(BRE)How do Brethren Churches grow? Dear Everyone especially Judy I have been asking the same questions for several years that you are asking,Judy.For thirty five my family were wonderful friends of the minister who babtized my mother in the 50's as well as other members of my family.He was a tremendrous Elder as well as Bible Teacher and minister who held two weeks of revival meetings every year that he lived.Whenever I did anything wrong he was the first one who told me about it.The invitation to accept Jesus as one's personal Saviour was given practically at the close of every service.He always told everyone they should try daily to be as Jesus would have them be and be led by The Holy Spirit.Several weeks ago I recieved an E Mail from a wonderful friend who attends the Brethren Church several miles from where I live.She was telling me how she enjoys attending the Church.She at one time attended a Pentecostal Church. For several months I have been receiving some information about what The Fellowship of The Grace Brethren Church are doing in today's world.It seems their congregations seems to be growing.It seems they stay focus on God's work and The Holy Spirit.One of the Congregations I was a part of for about 9 years was really growing.They were talking about building a new church or adding onto the main one but several years later the Lord called the minister to go to another church.That same congregation now is doing pretty good if there is twenty-five for the Sunday Morning Service.They don't have Sunday evening services or Wednesday evening services any longer.So I really don't know what the problem is unless we arem't as grounded in God's Word and prayer the way we use to be. Patty Brate Connell

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Valerie A. Metzler <[email protected]>wrote: > Outreach. Service to others. > ................................ > Valerie A. Metzler, M. A., C. A. > Hi Valerie, How would a very small church have done this in the past? How is this done today in smaller congregations? Thank you for any insight you can provide. Judy