In my family's tradition, YES but again I think that can vary. On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Roberta Estes <[email protected]>wrote: > Was it the oldest male? > > --- On Mon, 2/14/11, Iris Wilde <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: Iris Wilde <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [BRE] Customs Regarding Bible Inheritance > To: [email protected] > Date: Monday, February 14, 2011, 3:26 AM > > > In my family's case, it was always passed to the "male". I think it depends > on the family. My Best, Iris Daughter of Ira D. Cripe > > On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 10:00 PM, Roberta Estes <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > I noticed in the estate sales of some of my Brethren ancestors that the > > family Bible was sold at the sale - and they were very pricey - sometimes > > that most costly item. Generally purchased by one of the sons. This was > > in > > the late 1700s and early 1800s. After that, in the 1850s, no Bible was > > listed in the estate inventory or sales. Is there a Brethren custom > about > > which child gets the family Bible upon the death of the parents? Like > > oldest son, oldest daughter, etc? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Roberta Estes > > > > ------------------------ > > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > > ------------------------ > > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > > ------------------------ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Thank God for Life and Liberty > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Thank God for Life and Liberty
In my family's case, it was always passed to the "male". I think it depends on the family. My Best, Iris Daughter of Ira D. Cripe On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 10:00 PM, Roberta Estes <[email protected]>wrote: > I noticed in the estate sales of some of my Brethren ancestors that the > family Bible was sold at the sale - and they were very pricey - sometimes > that most costly item. Generally purchased by one of the sons. This was > in > the late 1700s and early 1800s. After that, in the 1850s, no Bible was > listed in the estate inventory or sales. Is there a Brethren custom about > which child gets the family Bible upon the death of the parents? Like > oldest son, oldest daughter, etc? > > Thanks, > > Roberta Estes > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Thank God for Life and Liberty
This is an impressive story with well done research. I am not related but it makes me yearn to learn more about my family. Thanks for sharing this. Jean Edwards ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dee Howard" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 6:23 PM Subject: [BRE] Samuel Barnett - Pennsylvania- Church of the Brethren Member >I just completed an essay on my great great-grandfather, Samuel Barnett, > (1838-1920) who was a life long member of the German Baptist Brethren > Church - > later the Church of the Brethren. Most of his descendants remained with > the > church. Samuel Barnett's son in law, Reverend William N. Hoover, > (1871-1954) > served Brethren Churches in Hollidaysburg, Warriors Mark and Roaring > Spring, > Pennsylvania. He married my parents, Hattie (Barnett) and Michael Bechtel > in > the Roaring Spring Church of the Brethren in 1931. Samuel was married in > the > German Baptist Brethren Church in Bakers Summit, Pennsylvania. Does > anyone know > what happened to the church records from that church which no longer > exists? I > am looking for information about the parents of Samuel Barnett - Frederick > and > Eve (Wagner) Barnett > who were born in Pennsylvania and probably were Brethren. I will > appreciate any > help from others. > > Dee Bechtel Howard > > > > Introduction > > When I was a little girl I asked my grandmother, “How did I get red hair?” > She > replied, “Your great-grandfather Barnett had a red beard.” That’s all I > ever > heard of the red bearded man. > > > Years later when I began a study of the history of my family, I came upon > a > letter written by my cousin, Olive Barnet of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, to > a > genealogist asking for information about our great-grandfather, Samuel > Barnett > (1838-1920). She received a reply which read, “… Samuel Barnett served as > a > Private in Company I, 149th Pa. Volunteers Infantry, enlisting on August > 26, > 1863 and discharged December 30, 1863.” The letter also stated that he > was > buried in Albright Brethren Church Cemetery. I drove to this burial > ground just > outside Roaring Spring, Pennsylvania, and found the tombstone of Samuel > Barnett. His tombstone is large – slender, tall and decorated to > designate his > military service. He is buried with his first and second wives, Sara Ann > Cashman and Sarah Jane Croft. Buried next to him is his son, John > Barnett. > > Samuel Barnett’s Parents > > To learn more about my great grandfather I began a search to discover his > history. I looked for information about his parents and found their names > on > his death certificate. They were Frederick and Eve (Wagner) Barnett who > were > born in Pennsylvania. Among military records I found a General Affidavit > in the > matter of a Civil War Pension Application for Samuel Barnett. The > document > reads that Lois Albright, age 47 and a resident of Roaring Spring, Blair > County, > Pennsylvania, states, “I am well acquainted with Samuel Barnett. I have > known > him for 37 years. His name is spelled Barnett, not Bernard. I have known > his > father and he spelled his name Barnett.” From this statement it would > seem that > Samuel’s parents lived in the same area where he and Mrs. Albright lived; > however, I could not find land, tax, or church records for Frederick and > Eve > Barnett in the Bakers Summit area of Bedford County, Pennsylvania, where > Samuel > lived, nor in Blair County, Pennsylvania, where Mrs. Albright resided. > > Because of Samuel’s life-long relationship with the German Baptist > Brethren > Church, it could be assumed that his parents associated with that church > and > therefore, were probably of German or Pennsylvania Dutch descent. > > > > Samuel Barnett’s Death and Obituaries > > Samuel’s death certificate states his cause of death was “old age.” (He > was 82 > at his death.) Samuel’s obituary revealed he had worked in the ore mines > around > Bakers Summit and Ore Hill in Bedford County, Pennsylvania and that he > owned and > farmed land in that area. Samuel died intestate in 1920 and left an > estate of > $100 plus a farm worth about $1,000. One of his obituaries states he was > a > member of the Woodbury Church of the Brethren for many years. Another > obituary > claims he was a long time member of the Roaring Spring Church of the > Brethren > where his funeral was held. > > > Samuel Barnett’s Family > > Samuel married twice. His first wife was Sarah Ann Cashman, whose family > owned > land adjoining the Barnett farm. This union produced four children. > > > (1) Charles Cashman Barnett, the first born, lived in Roaring Spring, > Pennsylvania, and worked for the Pennsylvania Railroad in Altoona as a > blacksmith’s assistant. He married Mary Nofskar Hoover from the Clover > Creek > area of Blair County. He was a member of the Church of the Brethren in > Roaring > Spring and established a family home on Bloomfield Street next to the > church. > Their children were: Elvin Hoover Barnett, Hattie (Harriet) Pearl Barnett > and > Celia Josephine Barnett. > > (2) The second born was Susan who married Reverend William Nofskar Hoover, > brother of Mary Nofskar Hoover above, and became the wife of a preacher in > the > Church of the Brethren. The family lived and served Brethren Churches in > Roaring > Spring, Hollidaysburg, and Warriors Mark. They retired in State College, > Pennsylvania. Their children were: Milton B. Hoover, Ollie B. Hoover, J. > Emmert > Hoover, John B. Hoover, Mae Hoover, Hazel Hoover, and Ethel Hoover. > > > (3) William M. Barnett, the third son, became a butcher with a business on > Hog > Back in Roaring Spring. He married Mary Elizabeth Replogle. The Hoovers > were > life-long members of the Church of the Brethren. When retired, Will and > his > family moved to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Their children were: Olive > Susannah > Barnett and Ruth Viola Barnett. They adopted Ralph Edwin Barnett. > > (4) The last child was John who lived at home at least until his 36th > birthday. > He remained unmarried operating a chicken farm in the Bakers Summit area > until > his death in 1950. > > > Note: John Barnett never owned an automobile. I remember seeing him > walking > from his farm into Roaring Spring past my grandmother’s house on > Bloomfield > Street. > > > After the death of his first wife, Samuel married Sarah Jane Croft in 1887 > in > the German Baptist Brethren Church in Bakers Summit, Pennsylvania. She > survived > him by four years. > > > Samuel Barnett’s Military Records > > I acquired a full pension file and military service file for Samuel’s > Civil War > service from the National Archives to document Samuel Barnett’s military > records. He was drafted as a private on the 26th day of August 1863. The > enrollment form reveals he was born March 4, 1838 at Bedford, > Pennsylvania. He > could not sign his name. He was five feet-six ½ inches tall with a florid > complexion, blue eyes, and as my grandmother had told me so long ago, his > hair > was red. His occupation was laborer. > > > On October 1, 1863 he was received at draft rendezvous, Carlisle, > Pennsylvania, > assigned, and forwarded to the 149th Pennsylvania Volunteers. In a > General > Affidavit dated 1899 he stated, “That he was kept under guard with a > number of > soldiers at Chambersburg for about two weeks then was marched to Carlisle > and > there kept till about Oct the first then was taken to reinforce at the > Second > Bull Run fight.” The regimental return for October 1863, reports him, > “Loss, > Oct 7/63, conscript assigned to Co.” In 1900 Samuel completed a > Declaration for > an Original Invalid Pension form reporting the following information: > “That > while a member of the organization aforesaid, (149 regiment of Pa. > Infantry) in > service and in line of duty at Bull Run in the State of Virginia on or > about the > 26th of September 1863 he contacted jaundice and disease of liver and > resulting > piles. That he was treated in hospital as follows – Invalided in hospital > at > Rappahannock, state of Virginia, for jaundice for some time. Immediately > after > discharged and for years thereafter treated by Dr. (Charles) Olie at > Woodbury, > Pa.” > > > > Note: The first Battle of Bull Run was fought in 1861 and the second > Battle of > Bull Run in 1862. Samuel Barnett did not enter the army until 1863! Does > this > discrepancy in dates mean that Samuel was sent a year after the Battle of > Bull > Run to relieve soldiers guarding ground won in battle or did Samuel > enhance his > service record in order to gain a Civil War disability pension? > > After four months in service, Samuel was found to be medically unable to > continue military duty. His condition was described as “hypertrophy of > the > heart of several years standing.” He was honorably discharged on December > 30, > 1863 in Culpepper, Virginia. His certificate of disability for discharge > was > signed by William Humphrey, Surgeon, 149th Reg. P. V. Samuel, now 25 > years old, > returned home just after January 8, 1864, the birth date of his first > child, > Charles Cashman Barnett. > > > Civil War Pension > > On July 19, 1920, a Civil War pension check was returned to the United > States > Government noting that Samuel Barnett was deceased and his Civil War > pension > payment was cancelled. This marked the end of a long and hard fought > battle > Samuel waged to earn a Civil War pension for his physical disabilities. > > > Over 100 pages of documents tell the story of Samuel Barnett’s attempt to > prove > his right to compensation for his military service. As his name had been > spelled > incorrectly on discharge papers as Samuel Bernard instead of Barnett, > Samuel had > to complete many documents to prove the correct spelling of his name and > therefore his military identity. He did not read or write, so he went to > notaries to have the documents completed and notarized. In 1890 he was > rejected > for a pension. In 1891 he was examined by a physician and declared ¾ > disabled. > In an application dated 1889, he claimed the following infirmities: piles, > rheumatism, > > heart, general debility. He described his health at age 61 in 1899 as > follows: > “I have pain and stiffness in all my joints and muscles. Keeps me from > sleep, > have fluttering, feel faint like falling, short of breath, my hands swell. > My > piles come down and bleed. I am weak and nervous and not able to do any > work.” > > > Another physician’s certificate describes his medical condition as > follows: “He > had rheumatism, fluttering of the heart, shortness of breath, weak eyes, > pain in > his right side so severe at times he could hardly get his breath, inward > piles, > tongue coated and fissured, atrophy of the liver, contracted over the > stomach > and lower abdomen, abdominal veins enlarged and prominent, and skin with a > sallow appearance.” > > In 1904 a Surgeons Certificate was issued for his pension claim. His > medical > condition was described: “Is 66 years, 7 months, and 17 days of age: crown > of > head bald, hair quite gray: muscles relaxed and flabby: palms soft: marked > arcus > senilis > {white or gray opaque ring in the corneal margin of both eyes}: has no > teeth in > upper and only 5 black snags for teeth in lower maxillary: has the > appearance of > a man 70 years of age. No evidence of vicious habits.” In another report > his > nutrition was labeled poor. He received $10 per month disability pension > at > this time. In 1912 he received a pension of $18 monthly which increased to > $21 > in 1913. At his death in 1920 his pension had increased to $50 a month. > > After Samuel’s death in 1920, his widow, Sarah J. Barnett of 315 Juniata > Street, > Hollidaysburg, Pennsylvania, received a widow’s Civil War pension until > her > death in 1924. > > > Conclusions > > Samuel Barnett lived a long life enduring many physical disabilities. He > may > have worked as a laborer in the iron mines of the Ore Hill area of > Pennsylvania > and he owned and farmed land near Baker Summit. He did not read or write, > but > his four children went to school and found success in their work and with > their > families. He was persistent and capable in pursuing Civil War benefits > leaving > a full record of his military and post-military life. > > > It can be assumed that Samuel Barnett was of German or Pennsylvania Dutch > heritage for at least four reasons: (1) His first wife was a member of > the > Cashman/Kirschmann family who immigrated to Pennsylvania from > Baden-Guttenberg > or the Black Forest area of Germany in the middle 1700’s. Colonial > families > tended to marry within their ethnic and religious groups. (2) His second > marriage was held in a German Baptist Brethren Church and he was a > life-long > member of the same church, later called the Church of the Brethren. (3) > His > funeral was held in a Brethren Church and he was buried in a German > Baptist > Brethren Church cemetery. (4) As a descendant of Samuel Barnett I > learned to > know all of his children, most of his grandchildren and some of his great > grandchildren. There was a cultural tendency among these people to > Pennsylvania > Dutch culture and tradition. Although the name Barnett appears in the > British > Isles, it also is seen in the immigration documents from Germany in the > 1700’s. > I do not remember any cultural reference to United Kingdom cultures, so I > believe Samuel was of German descent. > > > Two area newspapers carried the obituary of Samuel Barnett, so he and his > family > must have been people of note in the community where they lived. > > > > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Was it the oldest male? --- On Mon, 2/14/11, Iris Wilde <[email protected]> wrote: From: Iris Wilde <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BRE] Customs Regarding Bible Inheritance To: [email protected] Date: Monday, February 14, 2011, 3:26 AM In my family's case, it was always passed to the "male". I think it depends on the family. My Best, Iris Daughter of Ira D. Cripe On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 10:00 PM, Roberta Estes <[email protected]>wrote: > I noticed in the estate sales of some of my Brethren ancestors that the > family Bible was sold at the sale - and they were very pricey - sometimes > that most costly item. Generally purchased by one of the sons. This was > in > the late 1700s and early 1800s. After that, in the 1850s, no Bible was > listed in the estate inventory or sales. Is there a Brethren custom about > which child gets the family Bible upon the death of the parents? Like > oldest son, oldest daughter, etc? > > Thanks, > > Roberta Estes > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Thank God for Life and Liberty ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I just completed an essay on my great great-grandfather, Samuel Barnett, (1838-1920) who was a life long member of the German Baptist Brethren Church - later the Church of the Brethren. Most of his descendants remained with the church. Samuel Barnett's son in law, Reverend William N. Hoover, (1871-1954) served Brethren Churches in Hollidaysburg, Warriors Mark and Roaring Spring, Pennsylvania. He married my parents, Hattie (Barnett) and Michael Bechtel in the Roaring Spring Church of the Brethren in 1931. Samuel was married in the German Baptist Brethren Church in Bakers Summit, Pennsylvania. Does anyone know what happened to the church records from that church which no longer exists? I am looking for information about the parents of Samuel Barnett - Frederick and Eve (Wagner) Barnett who were born in Pennsylvania and probably were Brethren. I will appreciate any help from others. Dee Bechtel Howard Introduction When I was a little girl I asked my grandmother, “How did I get red hair?” She replied, “Your great-grandfather Barnett had a red beard.” That’s all I ever heard of the red bearded man. Years later when I began a study of the history of my family, I came upon a letter written by my cousin, Olive Barnet of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, to a genealogist asking for information about our great-grandfather, Samuel Barnett (1838-1920). She received a reply which read, “… Samuel Barnett served as a Private in Company I, 149th Pa. Volunteers Infantry, enlisting on August 26, 1863 and discharged December 30, 1863.” The letter also stated that he was buried in Albright Brethren Church Cemetery. I drove to this burial ground just outside Roaring Spring, Pennsylvania, and found the tombstone of Samuel Barnett. His tombstone is large – slender, tall and decorated to designate his military service. He is buried with his first and second wives, Sara Ann Cashman and Sarah Jane Croft. Buried next to him is his son, John Barnett. Samuel Barnett’s Parents To learn more about my great grandfather I began a search to discover his history. I looked for information about his parents and found their names on his death certificate. They were Frederick and Eve (Wagner) Barnett who were born in Pennsylvania. Among military records I found a General Affidavit in the matter of a Civil War Pension Application for Samuel Barnett. The document reads that Lois Albright, age 47 and a resident of Roaring Spring, Blair County, Pennsylvania, states, “I am well acquainted with Samuel Barnett. I have known him for 37 years. His name is spelled Barnett, not Bernard. I have known his father and he spelled his name Barnett.” From this statement it would seem that Samuel’s parents lived in the same area where he and Mrs. Albright lived; however, I could not find land, tax, or church records for Frederick and Eve Barnett in the Bakers Summit area of Bedford County, Pennsylvania, where Samuel lived, nor in Blair County, Pennsylvania, where Mrs. Albright resided. Because of Samuel’s life-long relationship with the German Baptist Brethren Church, it could be assumed that his parents associated with that church and therefore, were probably of German or Pennsylvania Dutch descent. Samuel Barnett’s Death and Obituaries Samuel’s death certificate states his cause of death was “old age.” (He was 82 at his death.) Samuel’s obituary revealed he had worked in the ore mines around Bakers Summit and Ore Hill in Bedford County, Pennsylvania and that he owned and farmed land in that area. Samuel died intestate in 1920 and left an estate of $100 plus a farm worth about $1,000. One of his obituaries states he was a member of the Woodbury Church of the Brethren for many years. Another obituary claims he was a long time member of the Roaring Spring Church of the Brethren where his funeral was held. Samuel Barnett’s Family Samuel married twice. His first wife was Sarah Ann Cashman, whose family owned land adjoining the Barnett farm. This union produced four children. (1) Charles Cashman Barnett, the first born, lived in Roaring Spring, Pennsylvania, and worked for the Pennsylvania Railroad in Altoona as a blacksmith’s assistant. He married Mary Nofskar Hoover from the Clover Creek area of Blair County. He was a member of the Church of the Brethren in Roaring Spring and established a family home on Bloomfield Street next to the church. Their children were: Elvin Hoover Barnett, Hattie (Harriet) Pearl Barnett and Celia Josephine Barnett. (2) The second born was Susan who married Reverend William Nofskar Hoover, brother of Mary Nofskar Hoover above, and became the wife of a preacher in the Church of the Brethren. The family lived and served Brethren Churches in Roaring Spring, Hollidaysburg, and Warriors Mark. They retired in State College, Pennsylvania. Their children were: Milton B. Hoover, Ollie B. Hoover, J. Emmert Hoover, John B. Hoover, Mae Hoover, Hazel Hoover, and Ethel Hoover. (3) William M. Barnett, the third son, became a butcher with a business on Hog Back in Roaring Spring. He married Mary Elizabeth Replogle. The Hoovers were life-long members of the Church of the Brethren. When retired, Will and his family moved to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Their children were: Olive Susannah Barnett and Ruth Viola Barnett. They adopted Ralph Edwin Barnett. (4) The last child was John who lived at home at least until his 36th birthday. He remained unmarried operating a chicken farm in the Bakers Summit area until his death in 1950. Note: John Barnett never owned an automobile. I remember seeing him walking from his farm into Roaring Spring past my grandmother’s house on Bloomfield Street. After the death of his first wife, Samuel married Sarah Jane Croft in 1887 in the German Baptist Brethren Church in Bakers Summit, Pennsylvania. She survived him by four years. Samuel Barnett’s Military Records I acquired a full pension file and military service file for Samuel’s Civil War service from the National Archives to document Samuel Barnett’s military records. He was drafted as a private on the 26th day of August 1863. The enrollment form reveals he was born March 4, 1838 at Bedford, Pennsylvania. He could not sign his name. He was five feet-six ½ inches tall with a florid complexion, blue eyes, and as my grandmother had told me so long ago, his hair was red. His occupation was laborer. On October 1, 1863 he was received at draft rendezvous, Carlisle, Pennsylvania, assigned, and forwarded to the 149th Pennsylvania Volunteers. In a General Affidavit dated 1899 he stated, “That he was kept under guard with a number of soldiers at Chambersburg for about two weeks then was marched to Carlisle and there kept till about Oct the first then was taken to reinforce at the Second Bull Run fight.” The regimental return for October 1863, reports him, “Loss, Oct 7/63, conscript assigned to Co.” In 1900 Samuel completed a Declaration for an Original Invalid Pension form reporting the following information: “That while a member of the organization aforesaid, (149 regiment of Pa. Infantry) in service and in line of duty at Bull Run in the State of Virginia on or about the 26th of September 1863 he contacted jaundice and disease of liver and resulting piles. That he was treated in hospital as follows – Invalided in hospital at Rappahannock, state of Virginia, for jaundice for some time. Immediately after discharged and for years thereafter treated by Dr. (Charles) Olie at Woodbury, Pa.” Note: The first Battle of Bull Run was fought in 1861 and the second Battle of Bull Run in 1862. Samuel Barnett did not enter the army until 1863! Does this discrepancy in dates mean that Samuel was sent a year after the Battle of Bull Run to relieve soldiers guarding ground won in battle or did Samuel enhance his service record in order to gain a Civil War disability pension? After four months in service, Samuel was found to be medically unable to continue military duty. His condition was described as “hypertrophy of the heart of several years standing.” He was honorably discharged on December 30, 1863 in Culpepper, Virginia. His certificate of disability for discharge was signed by William Humphrey, Surgeon, 149th Reg. P. V. Samuel, now 25 years old, returned home just after January 8, 1864, the birth date of his first child, Charles Cashman Barnett. Civil War Pension On July 19, 1920, a Civil War pension check was returned to the United States Government noting that Samuel Barnett was deceased and his Civil War pension payment was cancelled. This marked the end of a long and hard fought battle Samuel waged to earn a Civil War pension for his physical disabilities. Over 100 pages of documents tell the story of Samuel Barnett’s attempt to prove his right to compensation for his military service. As his name had been spelled incorrectly on discharge papers as Samuel Bernard instead of Barnett, Samuel had to complete many documents to prove the correct spelling of his name and therefore his military identity. He did not read or write, so he went to notaries to have the documents completed and notarized. In 1890 he was rejected for a pension. In 1891 he was examined by a physician and declared ¾ disabled. In an application dated 1889, he claimed the following infirmities: piles, rheumatism, heart, general debility. He described his health at age 61 in 1899 as follows: “I have pain and stiffness in all my joints and muscles. Keeps me from sleep, have fluttering, feel faint like falling, short of breath, my hands swell. My piles come down and bleed. I am weak and nervous and not able to do any work.” Another physician’s certificate describes his medical condition as follows: “He had rheumatism, fluttering of the heart, shortness of breath, weak eyes, pain in his right side so severe at times he could hardly get his breath, inward piles, tongue coated and fissured, atrophy of the liver, contracted over the stomach and lower abdomen, abdominal veins enlarged and prominent, and skin with a sallow appearance.” In 1904 a Surgeons Certificate was issued for his pension claim. His medical condition was described: “Is 66 years, 7 months, and 17 days of age: crown of head bald, hair quite gray: muscles relaxed and flabby: palms soft: marked arcus senilis {white or gray opaque ring in the corneal margin of both eyes}: has no teeth in upper and only 5 black snags for teeth in lower maxillary: has the appearance of a man 70 years of age. No evidence of vicious habits.” In another report his nutrition was labeled poor. He received $10 per month disability pension at this time. In 1912 he received a pension of $18 monthly which increased to $21 in 1913. At his death in 1920 his pension had increased to $50 a month. After Samuel’s death in 1920, his widow, Sarah J. Barnett of 315 Juniata Street, Hollidaysburg, Pennsylvania, received a widow’s Civil War pension until her death in 1924. Conclusions Samuel Barnett lived a long life enduring many physical disabilities. He may have worked as a laborer in the iron mines of the Ore Hill area of Pennsylvania and he owned and farmed land near Baker Summit. He did not read or write, but his four children went to school and found success in their work and with their families. He was persistent and capable in pursuing Civil War benefits leaving a full record of his military and post-military life. It can be assumed that Samuel Barnett was of German or Pennsylvania Dutch heritage for at least four reasons: (1) His first wife was a member of the Cashman/Kirschmann family who immigrated to Pennsylvania from Baden-Guttenberg or the Black Forest area of Germany in the middle 1700’s. Colonial families tended to marry within their ethnic and religious groups. (2) His second marriage was held in a German Baptist Brethren Church and he was a life-long member of the same church, later called the Church of the Brethren. (3) His funeral was held in a Brethren Church and he was buried in a German Baptist Brethren Church cemetery. (4) As a descendant of Samuel Barnett I learned to know all of his children, most of his grandchildren and some of his great grandchildren. There was a cultural tendency among these people to Pennsylvania Dutch culture and tradition. Although the name Barnett appears in the British Isles, it also is seen in the immigration documents from Germany in the 1700’s. I do not remember any cultural reference to United Kingdom cultures, so I believe Samuel was of German descent. Two area newspapers carried the obituary of Samuel Barnett, so he and his family must have been people of note in the community where they lived. ----
> It has been my experience that family Bibles more often than not were given > to the youngest daughter in the family. Custom?perhaps. Or was it a closer > kinship to the parents? Very difficult to tell. > I've been trying to find a trace of Elder Jacob Miller's Bible. Since Elder Jacob seems to have spoken only German (re: William Smith and Samuel Bolton, both "English Preachers"), his would have been a German Bible. He died in 1816, there just west of the Great Miami River, west of Dayton in Montgomery County OH. A local tradition here at the Four Mile (Union Co Indiana - with possible support in the 1820 Census) says that his wife, Barbara (his second wife was likely Barbara Lybrook - per 1802 marriage record in Franklin Co VA).came to the Four Mile after his death, and brought the Family Bible. Supposedly she came to the Lybrook home, the second daughter, but whose husband, Philip Lybrook, would have been Barbara's younger brother. (She seems to have died in the 1821 Cholera Epidemic - buried there at Baltzer's place - Lybrook Cemetery.) We do not know the name of the first wife of Elder Jacob, the mother of his children. (Although through possible land records in Frederick Co MD, she might be an Elizabeth.) Elder Jacob only had three daughters, all three the eldest children in the family. All three families would certainly have been present at Elder Jacob's death (30 miles from the Four Mile, a long day's fast travel, but there were fairly good routes). Where did his Bible go? The eldest daughter, Mary, lived there at Dayton, so near her father. She married first Samuel Darst, who died in Franklin Co VA, then probably an Andrew Peel. I have no record of a daughter by them, Three of the sons remained in Ohio, Dayton and Miami Co. A German Bible would have come to your attention, Gale! (and to Don Bowman, before you!) The second daughter, Anna, married Philip Lybrook, and came early to the Four Mile, living in Indiana Territory. They lived just south of the present (Upper) Four Mile Church. Their youngest daughter never married, but raised the four children of her sister, Phebe, who had married Martin Kingery (both died in 1835/1840 -of Typhoid) I have nothing on the youngest, daughter Maria, and the other daughter, Susannah, married Henry Miller and moved to Monroe Co Iowa. What might have happened to a Bible? Of course, son Baltzer Lybrook, was an Elder here at Four Mile, and lived just south of his parents (Railsback-Lybrook Cemetery location) - so maybe he got the Bible. But he died in the 1832 Cholera Epidemic - and his wife married her brother-in-law, Elder William Moss (whose wife had also died in the Epidemic), and they moved up to Mexico IN. William Moss and Mary (Eikenberry) (Lybrook) Moss raised Baltzer and Mary's six daughters (probably 8 - but 2 died young) -up there in Miami Co IN. What might have happened to a Bible? The youngest of these daughters was Eve, who first married John Ritter (who died in Franklin Co VA) then Joseph Kingery. They are probably the "Gingrich" with John Miller in Montgomery County about 1798, they settled in Preble County OH, just east of College Corner, at the edge of now Houston Woods State Park, probably our first family on the Four Mile Creek. They had 5 daughters, the youngest, Fanny, married Lewis Mead, and I have not found a trace on them. Of course, if we start considering the sons - we have to include much of Indiana, and to Iowa. That's my researching, and I sure wish I could find his Bible! - so far - after 2 centuries - No Trace! Merle C Rummel
There is a new posting to the BrethrenArchives.Com Offering web site. You can view this by visiting http://offering.brethrenarchives.com/index.php?option=com_content <http://offering.brethrenarchives.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=arti cle&id=626:the-gospel-messenger-offering-105&catid=38:2011&Itemid=57> &view=article&id=626:the-gospel-messenger-offering-105&catid=38:2011&Itemid= 57. I have spent a little time and taken the opportunity to cross link the two BrethrenArchives.Com sites presently available to the general populace - the Brethren Offering site and the Montgomery County, Ohio site. On each site there is a section in the sidebar that will provide links to various sites I wanted to let others be aware of; some German Baptist Brethren and some non-German Baptist Brethren. In the Brethren Offering site you want to look in the "Resources" sub-menu items. On the Montgomery County, Ohio site you want to look in "Sites of Internet." They both do the same thing. I am glad to announce that more records have been indexed on the Montgomery County, Ohio site. Mr. Davis and I presently have indexed the entire index of 114 pages for the exception of the letters M thru R. Remember, there is no bride's index, only the grooms' index. Once the project is complete it will be an extremely handy tool. It has already been handy for my research even though we only have 3,128 names in it. You can access the Montgomery site through the Offering link above and then navigating to the Resources : Non-Brethren links. With Mr. Davis' assistance, and if you are still willing, we can start on the marriages from 1844 to 1851. Thank you Mr. Davis and I eagerly await your next batch of index entries. I have also taken the time to figure out how to put into place a "Statistics" pane on each site. At present it shows how many members on each site, how many articles (content), web links and how many times the articles (content) have been accessed. I am evaluating software to make this feature more functional. The two sites have been accessed slightly over 2,500 times since their release in early January and all that just by word of mouth! Thank you! Cordially, A. Wayne Webb
It has been my experience that family Bibles more often than not were given to the youngest daughter in the family. Custom?perhaps. Or was it a closer kinship to the parents? Very difficult to tell. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roberta Estes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 11:00 PM Subject: [BRE] Customs Regarding Bible Inheritance >I noticed in the estate sales of some of my Brethren ancestors that the > family Bible was sold at the sale - and they were very pricey - sometimes > that most costly item. Generally purchased by one of the sons. This was > in > the late 1700s and early 1800s. After that, in the 1850s, no Bible was > listed in the estate inventory or sales. Is there a Brethren custom about > which child gets the family Bible upon the death of the parents? Like > oldest son, oldest daughter, etc? > > Thanks, > > Roberta Estes
I noticed in the estate sales of some of my Brethren ancestors that the family Bible was sold at the sale - and they were very pricey - sometimes that most costly item. Generally purchased by one of the sons. This was in the late 1700s and early 1800s. After that, in the 1850s, no Bible was listed in the estate inventory or sales. Is there a Brethren custom about which child gets the family Bible upon the death of the parents? Like oldest son, oldest daughter, etc? Thanks, Roberta Estes
Another note - not sure if there is any connections to the Bigler family that you referenced, but there is a town called Biglerville - located in Gettysburg, PA.
The Congregation, "Little Conewago" founded in 1738 was later renamed Upper Codorus and is presently known as Black Rock Church of the Brethren. I was born into that congregation and am still an active member there. We have a book, "The History and Families of The Black Rock Church of the Brethren". The index lists these Biglers: Cathryn, John, Mark (1705 - ), Michael. Some excerpts --- Daniel Leatherman was married to Catherine Bigler, the daughter of Michael. Daniel Leatherman is thought to have been married before - his first wife may have died in Europe or on the difficult trip to come here. "Some members of the Bigler family were also associated with the growing experiences of the L.C. congregation. In Switzerland, members of the family resided in teh communities of Biglen and Worb southeast of Berne. Mark Bigler (1705 - - ) came to America Sept. 28, 1733 and received a warrant for one hundred acres of land beyond the Susquehanna River. He never settled on this land. Like many others, he decided too move on into Frederick County, MD. . . . " Michael Bigler, the brother of Mark, arrived in America May 30, 1741. He received a warrant of land for one hundred acres in the western reaches of Lancaster County, PA (April 25, 1744). A later warrant (March 7, 1745) gave Michael fifty more acres adjoining his other land 'ont he Little Conewago over the Susquehanna'. Michael was married to Rosina Boyer ( - 1785), the widow of Adam Boyer. Like his brother, Michael moved into MD to purchase lands in Frederick Co. However, the son of Michael remained in York Co. and was naturalized on May 29, 1770. An early record of Manheim Township shows that a John Bigler ( - 1803) and his wife, Mary, were residents of the township at the beginning of the 19th century." (The building of B. R. Church is located in Manheim Township of York Co., PA.)
Hello to all the members of this list whos postings I have followed for several years. I have only recently become a member of the Fellowship of Brethren Genealogists. While I am not a member of the Brethren church, I have many ancestors who were. My grandfather, George Albert Bigler, is a direct line descendant of the immigrant Marx Bigler (many variations in the spelling of his name) who arrived in Pennsylvania on September 28, 1933 on the Brigantine Richard and Elizabeth from the Palatinate. Mark was born April 17, 1705 at Ingolsheim, Alsace, France and baptized April 19, 1705 in the Evangelical Reformed Church at Hunspach, Alsace, France. He was the son of Hans Thomas Bögler and Anna Maria Vogler. His younger brother Hans Michael, born December 3, 1707, arrived May 30, 1741 on the Francis and Ann. Only one other Bigler, Mathias, is known to have arrived before Mark, on September 18, 1733, on the Pennsylvania Merchant of London. Mark was issued a land warrant from the Province of Pennsylvania on October 18, 1738 for 200 acres in Lancaster county, thought to have been in the Manor of Springetbury on the Little Conewago River, adjacent to the land of Leonard Leyst or Lease. Also in 1738 the Little Conewago Church of the Brethren was organized by Daniel Leatherman. According to Brumbaughs A History of the German Baptist Brethren in Europe and America, Among the constituent members were families of the name Eldrick, Dierdorff, BIGLER, Gripe, Stutsman and others. A list of the members in 1770 did not include any Biglers. Mark moved to Frederick county, Maryland about 1743. My first question is: Who were the Bigler family who were members of that congregation?? Would it have been Mark or Mathias? Michael didnt arrive until 1741. Marks son, Mark II, married Catherine Leyst or Lease. This points to Mark as being the Bigler in 1738. The Bigler family was closely associated with Daniel Leatherman, who witnessed Michaels will. I have other information on these families, but maybe this is enough for the great historians on this list to chew on at one time. Much of the information I have comes from The Bigler Family, by Norman Burns, and The First Four Generations of Biglers in America, by Franklin K. Brough and Sherman G. Brough in collaboration with Norman Burns. Looking forward to hearing your opinions on who was the Little Conewago Biglers N. H. Goodman
Judy, it sounds like this "road tax" was a local jurisdiction taxing residents for the improvement of local roads. I found a number of such entries in accounting books from my great great grandfather and my great grandfather. More often in the early days they were required to work on the road, which they did and recorded how much time they spent. Later it seems they paid a tax. Your ancestor may have paid the road tax on the parsonage because he was the church treasurer at the time (as was my great great grandfather) or it was his contribution to the church to take care of this bill. The reason there is only one reference to the road tax is likely because it wasn't an every year assessment. It could have been a one time or infrequent assessment for improvement of the road. John > Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 22:52:58 -0500 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BRE] "Self-Allocation Giving"? > > Thank you, Craig, for your informative reply about how this works today. > > I've never read the Minutes for any 1900s entries but I recall seeing some > 1860-1880 entries with just a person's name and an amount (in change > mostly-- something like .5 e.g. point 5 -- would that have been cents?). > It didn't seem like there was one set amount for each person -- anywhere > from point 1 to point 10. > > As well, we had wondered why one of my ancestors paid the "road tax" on the > "parsonage" (If I recall, the date was in the 1860s or 1870s). According to > other Brethren researchers I spoke to in the 1980s, the German Baptists (as > they were called then) did not use "Reverend" (Rev'd) or "parsonage", but I > saw both in the Minutes. Further, no one could explain why my ancestor paid > the road tax. > > According to a descendant in 1970s, one church in SWPA did have a parsonage > very near to the church/graveyard and our ancestor, a Deacon in the church, > lived in that house. Supposedly, our ancestor would walk to the church 9so, > the house was close) and light the stove before services; he took care of > the cemetery and burials (and he and his wife were 2 of the last 3 burials > in this graveyard.) But the location of the "parsonage" was forgotten by > the time I began my research in the 1980s. And there's still no clear > explanation as to why he was responsible to pay the road tax and only that > year. It is the only Minutes entry, that I'm aware of, concerning payment > of taxes. I don't think it's ever mentioned before or after, for any > member. Might this road tax payment have been considered my ancestor's > "tithe"? > > So much was never recorded. What was written often just raises more > questions! > > If anyone has ideas of how I can pinpoint the location of this unknown > parsonage, please offer your suggestions. It was not in the church's deeds, > nor named in my ancestor's deeds. Being on a rural road, there's no "house > number" I could use/follow from tax or census. > > Again, thank you for explaining how self-allocation works today. If anyone > knows more about the ways members contributed financially to their churches > in the mid-1800s on, I'd appreciate more information. > Judy > On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Craig Alan Myers < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Judy, > > > > "Self-allocation giving" is what the congregation allocates to give > > to various external ministries, such as the District, the Camp, the > > Home, and the denomination. It is called "self-allocation" because > > the congregation decides for itself what it will give; there is no > > assessment by these external ministries on the local congregation. A > > congregation may give more, beyond what it may normally > > self-allocate.<snipped> > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
John, That makes a lot of sense. The old Minutes do not list the "office holders". I never considered that my ancestor, James Polk Lane, could have maybe been the Church Treasurer. It's frustrating that my research often has these single "clues" but little-to-no ways to use the clues to further my research. I wish this congregation had kept more complete "records" but it seems they wrote very little. Thank you for your explanation. It helps me understand the context, especially that it may only have been a one-time event or not every year. Judy On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 7:45 AM, john shafer <[email protected]> wrote: > > Judy, it sounds like this "road tax" was a local jurisdiction taxing > residents for the improvement of local roads. I found a number of such > entries in accounting books from my great great grandfather and my great > grandfather. More often in the early days they were required to work on the > road, which they did and recorded how much time they spent. Later it seems > they paid a tax. Your ancestor may have paid the road tax on the parsonage > because he was the church treasurer at the time (as was my great great > grandfather) or it was his contribution to the church to take care of this > bill. The reason there is only one reference to the road tax is likely > because it wasn't an every year assessment. It could have been a one time > or infrequent assessment for improvement of the road. > > John >
Thank you, Craig, for your informative reply about how this works today. I've never read the Minutes for any 1900s entries but I recall seeing some 1860-1880 entries with just a person's name and an amount (in change mostly-- something like .5 e.g. point 5 -- would that have been cents?). It didn't seem like there was one set amount for each person -- anywhere from point 1 to point 10. As well, we had wondered why one of my ancestors paid the "road tax" on the "parsonage" (If I recall, the date was in the 1860s or 1870s). According to other Brethren researchers I spoke to in the 1980s, the German Baptists (as they were called then) did not use "Reverend" (Rev'd) or "parsonage", but I saw both in the Minutes. Further, no one could explain why my ancestor paid the road tax. According to a descendant in 1970s, one church in SWPA did have a parsonage very near to the church/graveyard and our ancestor, a Deacon in the church, lived in that house. Supposedly, our ancestor would walk to the church 9so, the house was close) and light the stove before services; he took care of the cemetery and burials (and he and his wife were 2 of the last 3 burials in this graveyard.) But the location of the "parsonage" was forgotten by the time I began my research in the 1980s. And there's still no clear explanation as to why he was responsible to pay the road tax and only that year. It is the only Minutes entry, that I'm aware of, concerning payment of taxes. I don't think it's ever mentioned before or after, for any member. Might this road tax payment have been considered my ancestor's "tithe"? So much was never recorded. What was written often just raises more questions! If anyone has ideas of how I can pinpoint the location of this unknown parsonage, please offer your suggestions. It was not in the church's deeds, nor named in my ancestor's deeds. Being on a rural road, there's no "house number" I could use/follow from tax or census. Again, thank you for explaining how self-allocation works today. If anyone knows more about the ways members contributed financially to their churches in the mid-1800s on, I'd appreciate more information. Judy On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Craig Alan Myers < [email protected]> wrote: > Judy, > > "Self-allocation giving" is what the congregation allocates to give > to various external ministries, such as the District, the Camp, the > Home, and the denomination. It is called "self-allocation" because > the congregation decides for itself what it will give; there is no > assessment by these external ministries on the local congregation. A > congregation may give more, beyond what it may normally > self-allocate.<snipped>
Judy, "Self-allocation giving" is what the congregation allocates to give to various external ministries, such as the District, the Camp, the Home, and the denomination. It is called "self-allocation" because the congregation decides for itself what it will give; there is no assessment by these external ministries on the local congregation. A congregation may give more, beyond what it may normally self-allocate. In some Districts it was the case that the District assessed a per member charge; and the congregation was expected to send this amount in each year to the District. The effect of this was that local congregations were more likely to trim their membership rolls in "roll revision." The practice varied by District. In Western Pennsylvania, that has been the system for at least 40 years. (I grew up and was ordained in Western Pennsylvania District). In Northern Indiana (where I am moderator this year), our District depends on essentially self-allocation, but the District suggests that each congregation give 5% of its general budget to the District. Annual Conference is funded by a per member charge paid by the Districts (as well as offerings taken at Conference). Today, most congregations fund themselves through tithes and offerings, though I know of some congregations that assess a yearly per member charge of a percentage of the individual or family's net worth. And some other congregations use fundraisers of various kinds, though often those efforts go to outreach ministries. I think it is on topic, in a sense, for some may read through church minutes or records and wonder what this meant, as you have done. Craig Alan Myers At 05:30 PM 2/11/2011, you wrote: >Could someone tell me what "Self-Allocation Giving" means. How does >"Self-Allocation Giving" work? Is the money listed the amount a >congregation gave? or received?
While roaming the Internet today, I found the Western PA District webpage and saw that they have their newsletters online. I have a question about something I read in the current newsletter. On one page, the various congregations are listed on a form (page 26 of this pdf -- http://www.westernpacob.org/pdf/WPACOB_Feb_2011.pdf ) At the top of the form it says "Self-Allocation Giving". It has 3 areas listed: Congregation, Camp, Home and each of those has 2 sub-categories listed, being: Allocation and Giving. Could someone tell me what "Self-Allocation Giving" means. How does "Self-Allocation Giving" work? Is the money listed the amount a congregation gave? or received? Was this -- or something similar-- always used in COB churches? (i.e. would our ancestors have done this "Self-Allocation Giving" or something like it?) On the chance that this is off-topic for the list, could you send responses to my mail : cageycat AT gmail.com I'm trying to understand more about the inner workings of the COB churches and understand the words commonly used. Thank you. Judy
I am ignorant on this time frame and Ohio's involvement. Obviously, I have a LOT to learn. Right now, I'm studying France and Germany and the time frame before the Greib ancestors came to America. I've studied Switzerland during very early days and found it fascinating. As is said, "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." I'm about tired of repeating history. :) My Best, Iris Daughter of Ira D. Cripe On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:27 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Only a portion of northern Ohio was sold to the Connecticut Land Company. > Great portions of northern Ohio was given to Connecticut so that they > would give up its claim that Connecticut extended all the way from the > border > of Ohio and PA to the Pacific Ocean. > > Roger Rhoads > > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 11:11:13 -0500 > From: "J.A. Florian" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [BRE] Question > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Iris, > > I don't have anything on your family but wanted to offer one tidbit that > might help on the research. > > Ohio was originally held by the Connecticut Land Company, which owners > recruited New England and PA families. Families came as early as the late > 1790s-1801 but rumors began that the property deeds would not be > transferred. Therefore people were reluctant to buy. Then, more people > came between 1810 to 1830s. > > You might try Google Books and search for each Ohio County--- then do a > search for your families' names. Keep a list of which county histories > you > search so you'll have those 'negative results'. Not all families made the > history books, but it's worth a try. As you know, county bios usually say > where a family's ancestor was from. > > Judy > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Iris Wilde > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > Tabitha's second husband is Joseph Monz sometimes spelled Minz.Whitley > > County book 2 page 120 shows them as having been married on June 26, > 1871 > > with possible spelling of Minz as his last name. They are found in 1880 > > living in Chester Township, Wabash County, Indiana under Montz. Also, > the > > spelling on his wife's tombstone states she was wife of Joseph Montz > which > > can be clearly seen. He was a 57 year old farmer and was born in PA in > the > > census. His wife Tabitha J. was 54 and living with them was 15 years > old > > Anna Robison whom he identifies as his step-daughter and who was born in > > Indiana. Tobitha has a tombstone spelled Tobitha and listed with death > as > > Nov 1, 1852 and shows on the tombstone that she was wife of Joseph Montz > as > > well as how long she lived. > > Now, regarding my Grandfather, I have in my possession their > > Affidavit for Marriage License which is signed December 31, 1845. They > > were > > married on January 1, 1846 per marriage return. I also have an 1860 > > census > > for them.I have an 1870 census that only names her. I did learn that > they > > did the 1870 census I am thinking the census was taken after my > > Grandfather's death in 1870.His tombstone states he died on April 12, > 1870. > > Their child, my *Grandmother's* Sister is called Mari Etta also (which > goes > > nicely with Irena Anna). In the notice from the paper that I sent you, > I > > have her sister's name is Mary E. Robinson. My Grandmother's only other > > sister died at 17 years name was Emily Jane. I have traced Tobitha back > to > > being born to a John and Jane Robison in Ohio. That 1850 census has his > > name, her Mother's name as Jane my Great Grandmother's name as Jane as a > > child and shows she had several siblings, none of which I have as of yet > > been successful in tracing. Not only that, I am at a complete deadend > grid > > with determining anything more about her parents other than that her > Father > > came from PA and gives birth of 1793. I have managed also to discover > that > > her Mother's maiden name was Neils from some old records. That's about > all > > I > > know on them. I also don't know what their religious believes and > > foundation > > were. Obviously, I still have some work to do to see if I can determine > if > > land was owned or any other records can be found giving more > information. > > In regards to my Robison Great Grandfather, he is shown by > > the 1900 census for Irena A. Cripe to be born in Ohio and the Mother to > be > > born in PA. However, I now feel sure the Mother was born in Ohio so > perhaps > > that got crisscrossed. According to the 1860 Census for Cleveland > Township > > he was indeed born in PA and Tobitha in Ohio. I have ONE lead that may > > eventually prove to be of some merit. I am hoping someday, a very old > > record > > might show up that names the children of Henry and Ann Robison. There is > > one > > male that fits the age of my Grandfather I am told by someone who is a > > descendant of Henry Robison. In the census, it is evidently noted that > > there > > may be eight children. However, names are not given. My Grandfather > James > > did own property with real estate valued at $200 and personal estate of > > $112. Also, their Daughter Emily Jane may have been given family names. > It > > is my understanding that Henry Robison is known to have had a daughter > by > > the name of Emily. Jane would have been Tobitha's Mother's name. > > I apologize if I have bored you. I am looking for clues > wherever I > > may find them at! Thanks for any help you might be able to give. I'll be > > glad to share anything I come across that may be of interest to you. My > > Best, Iris Daughter of Ira D. Cripe > > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:41 PM, gale honeyman <[email protected] > > >wrote: > > > > > 1880 census says Mary was born in Indiana; 1900 census says she was > born > > > Indiana, both parents born Germany. I failed to locate her > thereafter. > > > In 1860 and 1870 census of Indiana, there is no James Robinson born in > > > either Germany or Scotland. > > > > > > Who was Tabitha's 2nd husband? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Iris Wilde" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:32 PM > > > Subject: Re: [BRE] Question > > > > > > > > > >I was sent an obit by family tree members in Indiana after my visit > > > there. > > > > It reads, > > > > Mrs. Mary E. Landis died Wednesday evening at the home of her son, > > Vesta > > > > Landis, in East Manchester Thursday evening of last week she > suffered a > > > > sudden attack of apoplexy and paralysis and was unconscious from > then > > > > until > > > > her death. She had been employed in the home of Cornelius Kinsey at > > > Hoover > > > > and was brought to her son's home Tuesday. She became worse and > died > > > > Wednesday. The funeral will be held Friday afternoon at two o'clock > at > > > the > > > > Old Order Dunkard church a mile west and a half mile north of town. > > Rev. > > > > Joseph E. Metzger and Elder John Miller of Hoover will have charge > of > > the > > > > services. Burial will be in the cemetery by the church. Mary E. > Robison > > > > was > > > > born in Scotland, September 9, 1859, and died at North Manchester, > > > > February > > > > 16, 1916, aged 56 years, 9 months and 12 days. She came with her > > parents > > > > to > > > > this country at an early age and was later married to Joseph E. > Landis, > > > > living about North Manchester untilhis death a few years ago. She > had > > > made > > > > her home at Hoover for about six years but often came here to visit > her > > > > son > > > > Vesta, she is survived by one sister, Mrs. Jacob Cripe of Lawrence, > > > > Kansas. > > > > This is from a VERY OLD newspaper clipping and most likely a North > > > > Manchester one. > > > > ********There is also other information on the web that made me > wonder. > > > > Most > > > > of it is over ten years old so I'm thinking perhaps it was just > > > > misunderstood that she actually came as a child from Scotland though > I > > am > > > > saving the clipping (of course)*********** > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 7:16 PM, gale honeyman < > [email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> Iris, > > > >> > > > >> CRIPE--Irene Anna Cripe, daughter of James and Tabitha Jane > Robinson, > > > was > > > >> born Jan. 3, 1864, near North Manchester, Ind. She died at the > home > > of > > > >> her > > > >> grandson, Ernest D. Wray, Baldwin City, Kan., on Jan. 15, 1951, age > 87 > > > >> years > > > >> and 12 days. She was the last of her family to be called home. > > > >> She was united in marriage on June 3, 1883 to Jacob E. Cripe > near > > > North > > > >> Manchester, Ind. > > > >> They lived near North Manchester until 1898 when they moved with > > their > > > >> family to near Birch Tree, Mo., and in 1900 moved to Kansas. > > > >> abstracted from her obit, The Vindicator, March 1951, pp 94-95 > > > >> > > > >> LANDIS--Mary Etta Robinson, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. James > Robinson, > > was > > > >> born Sept. 4, 1859; died Feb 16, 1916, aged 56 years, 5 mos, and 12 > > das. > > > >> She united in marriage to Joseph M. Landis, Nov. 17, 1878. > > > >> Funeral by the Brethren at the North Manchester M.H. to a large > and > > > >> attentive audience. > > > >> abstracted from her obit, The Vindicator, April 1916, p 126 > > > >> > > > >> These are the only two obits that mention a James Robinson. There > are > > > >> none > > > >> for him nor Tabitha. > > > >> > > > >> Gale > > > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Thank God for Life and Liberty
Afternoon, I have two posting for your reading. The Gospel Messenger Offering can be found at < http://offering.brethrenarchives.com/index.php?option=com_content <http://offering.brethrenarchives.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=arti cle&id=624:the-gospel-messenger-offering-104&catid=38:2011&Itemid=57> &view=article&id=624:the-gospel-messenger-offering-104&catid=38:2011&Itemid= 57> and consists of newspaper articles entitled as follows: From Greenmount, Va.; From Madison, Kan.; From Greenland, Grant Co., W. Va.; Home Again; From the Eden Valley Church; From Falling Spring Church, Franklin Co., Pa.; Marsh Creek Items.-No. 11; From the Sam's Creek Church, Md. and Notes from Our Correspondents. The second posting can be found at < http://offering.brethrenarchives.com/index.php?option=com_content <http://offering.brethrenarchives.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=arti cle&id=623:archiving-a-fallacy&catid=1:latest-news> &view=article&id=623:archiving-a-fallacy&catid=1:latest-news> and concerns some misconceptions of just what is and what is not an archival digital project. It is geared towards explaining in simple terms some misunderstandings of the material to be found at some online web sites. Wayne Webb
Thanks Judy, I'll sure check it out. Thanks a lot! On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 1:54 PM, J.A. Florian <[email protected]> wrote: > I don't know what type(s) of Bible you prefer, but some people had a > discussion about various Bibles at: > > http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=24951&forum=35&7 > > Judy > > On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Iris Wilde <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > I am looking for an unused family bible that I may record my genealogy > > history in. I'm considering an older unused Bible Could it be that > someone > > on this list might have some suggestions as to where I could find one? I > > have seen a few online that are interesting to me. Just thought I would > > send > > an inquiry to this list before I made any decisions as to what toi get. > > Thanks so much, Iris Daughter of Ira D. Cripe > > -- > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Thank God for Life and Liberty