I see some problems with the birth dates offered on this site. Catharine Miller born 22 Oct 1770. She is buried Brumbaugh Cemetery near Gravelton IN with her husband Dunker Elder John Leatherman. According to her tombstone she was born 26 Jun 1777 and died 16 Sep 1850. Jonathan Miller born 10 Feb 1774 died 26 Dec 1849. According to a tombstone with this death date in Wolfs Cemetery in Greene Co PA, his age at death was 71y11m16d which would give a birth of circa 10 Jan 1778. I have a marriage date for him of 8 Aug 1799 to Susannah Toombs 1773-1852 daughter of William & Barbara. Can you elaborate on Joseph Miller? Gale ----- Original Message ----- From: "N. H. Goodman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Bigler at Little Conewago >I am sure there is lots of Miller information available. One huge site I > found is: http://brewer-family.org/genealogy/miller > According to the information on this site, Henry Miller, husband of > Catharine Bigler, was born 1743 and died in 1793. He was the son of David > Miller, born 1734 in Frederick County, MD and died in 1783, husband of > Catherine. His father was Abraham Miller, born 24 Aug 1707 and died 20 Sep > 1754 in Frederick County, MD. Lots of Miller information on this site! > > N. H. Goodman > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of John McLeod > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 7:48 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BRE] Bigler at Little Conewago > > Does anyone know anything about the ancestors of the Henry Miller who > married Catharine Bigler, d/o Mark Bigler. He apparently came down to > Maryland at about the same time as Mark Bigler and family. I have found > reason to suppose that I am descended from their son, Joseph Miller bn. > 1765.

Enter another Bigler cousin through Elizabeth Bigler and Henry Eller, the first. First off, I am thrilled for the baptismal record of Marx and his brother Michael. This is totally new information to me. Am I to presume that these were the only two in the Hunspach registry, or were there others? Is anything further known of Hans Thomas and Anna Maria? The 1738 warrant is indeed in present day York County PA. Marx Birgler and wife sponsored the baptism of Maria Catarina daughter of John Michael Carl on November 13, 1739 at Conewago Evangelical Lutheran Church preformed by Rev. Johann Casper Stoever Jr. In the same congregation with the same minister, Anna Maria daughter of Marx Biegler, born March 30, 1741 was baptized August 21, 1741. My conjecture is that she was the mother of Esther Randabush named in Mark's 1787 will. [Birgler and Biegler are spelled as in the original] To my knowledge, this is the only confirmed birthdate of the Bigler children. They apparently are not named in order of birth in Mark's will as the first named, Mark Jr. died in 1826 in Botetourt Co VA at the age of 79, making his birth circa 1746/7. Mark Biegler obtained Mark's Delight on March 1, 1743 in Frederick County MD. Through the years he added adjoining tracts, Bigler's Addition to Hull's Choice in 1750 [this deed names Mark and wife Mary Catharine Bigler], Resurvey on Hull's Choice in 1761 and Hickory Bottom in 1781. I had the privilege of corresponding with and later meeting Norman Burns and finally obtaining a copy of his book. I was not aware that their was a second book that he collaborated with. Does it add significantly to the first book? Gale Honeyman ----- Original Message ----- From: "N. H. Goodman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:33 PM Subject: [BRE] Bigler at Little Conewago My grandfather, George Albert Bigler, is a direct line descendant of the immigrant Marx Bigler (many variations in the spelling of his name) who arrived in Pennsylvania on September 28, 1933 on the Brigantine Richard and Elizabeth from the Palatinate. Mark was born April 17, 1705 at Ingolsheim, Alsace, France and baptized April 19, 1705 in the Evangelical Reformed Church at Hunspach, Alsace, France. He was the son of Hans Thomas Bögler and Anna Maria Vogler. His younger brother Hans Michael, born December 3, 1707, arrived May 30, 1741 on the Francis and Ann. Only one other Bigler, Mathias, is known to have arrived before Mark, on September 18, 1733, on the Pennsylvania Merchant of London. Mark was issued a land warrant from the Province of Pennsylvania on October 18, 1738 for 200 acres in Lancaster county, thought to have been in the Manor of Springetbury on the Little Conewago River, adjacent to the land of Leonard Leyst or Lease. Also in 1738 the Little Conewago Church of the Brethren was organized by Daniel Leatherman. According to Brumbaugh's "A History of the German Baptist Brethren in Europe and America", "Among the constituent members were families of the name Eldrick, Dierdorff, BIGLER, Gripe, Stutsman and others." A list of the members in 1770 did not include any Biglers. Mark moved to Frederick county, Maryland about 1743. I have other information on these families, but maybe this is enough for the great historians on this list to chew on at one time. Much of the information I have comes from "The Bigler Family", by Norman Burns, and "The First Four Generations of Biglers in America", by Franklin K. Brough and Sherman G. Brough in collaboration with Norman Burns. N. H. Goodman

I have come to the conclusions that at least 75% of those on the Brethren discussion group are cousins! For those who had an ancestor who was a GBB before 1800 it probably is 99.9% No big problem - as I said, it is a minor point considering various spellings of many names. What I would REALLY like to see is some record of the marriage of Christian Harter and Elizabeth Eller. The majority of his siblings were married in St. Peter's Lutheran Church, Frederick Co., MD, but I have no record of where they were married (or the exact date). I assume probably a German Baptist Brethren Church. By the way, Christian and Elizabeth were my 5G grandparents, as I said, but my direct line Harter ancestor was Frantz Harter, one of Christian's brothers. Frantz's son, John, married Christian's granddaughter, Catharine Ray. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "N. H. Goodman" <[email protected]> To: "'Bob Harter'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 8:48 PM Subject: RE: [BRE] Bigler at Little Conewago >I love it! I am meeting all kinds of cousins! > > Sorry for the misspelling Bob. My source for the spelling was only one of > several sources cited on the site I was reading. Other sources cited were > spelled correctly. I just happened to pick the wrong one, and I am glad > you > corrected me! The site I was reading was: > http://www.myfamilysearch.net/getperson.php?personID=I504&tree=2005217a > > N. H. Goodman >

Milton, My question is not necessarily about the Bigler Family but has to do with Catherine Lease, d/o Philip Lease. My ancestor was Leonard Lease/Leist. Do you have any info about this Lease family? I would appreciate anything that you may have. Thanks. Bonnie Jones ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, February 16, 2011 12:48:09 PM Subject: [BRE] Bigler Family I have recently acquired a copy of the book, George Michael Eller and Descendants of His on America by James William Hook. It was originally published in 1957, but reprinted in the 1990's. In discussing Michael Eller's siblings, it mentions his brother Henry Eller. On page 14, " According to a letter of Mary Hoss Headman of Knoxville, Tenn., published in the Maryland Historical magazine in 1945 (Vol 50, p. 250), Henry Eller Sr. married Elizabeth Bigler (Beigler), dau. of Mark and Catherine Bigler. Bigler's will, proved in Frederick Co. in 1787, mentions a wife Catherine, (sometimes written Marie Catherine), and children, (1) Catherine Bigler who m. Henry Miller; (2) Elizabeth Bigler, who m. Henry Eller (Etter); (3) Phoebe Bigler, who m. Lazarus Fonderburgh; (4) Salome Bigler, who m. Samuel Tomme; (5) Mark Bigler Jr., who m. Catherine Lease, dau fo Philip Lease who d. in Frederick Co., Md. about 1769; (6) Israel Bigler; (7) Daughter Bigler, who m. Mr. Randabush; (8) Hester! Bigler; (9) Juliana Bigler; (10) Barbara Bigler. (Will Book GM, No. 2, p. 238, Frederick Co., Md.)" Hopefully this will help with the Mark Bigler family. Milton Cook ____________________________________________________________ $65/Hr Job - 25 Openings Part-Time job ($20-$65/hr). Requirements: Home Internet Access http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d5c0e3bd564a3f2f6fst02vuc ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> It looks like the Eller line has been well researched. I am puzzled though > that Mark also names in his will a granddaughter, Elizabeth Etter. Is > there > also an Etter line, or is this a transcription error? I have a photo copy > of > the recorded will and the names Eller and Etter are very clearly not the > same name. It has been thought that this Elizabeth was the daughter of > Henry > and Elizabeth Eller. They did have a daughter Elizabeth, but she was > married > to Christian Herter about 1774. > Minor point, but Elizabeth Eller married Joh. Christian Harter. Some of the early records spell the family name as Herder, but I have never seen it rendered as Herter -- not to say it never was, though. (Christian and Elizabeth were my 5G grandparents) Bob Harter

I love it! I am meeting all kinds of cousins! Sorry for the misspelling Bob. My source for the spelling was only one of several sources cited on the site I was reading. Other sources cited were spelled correctly. I just happened to pick the wrong one, and I am glad you corrected me! The site I was reading was: http://www.myfamilysearch.net/getperson.php?personID=I504&tree=2005217a N. H. Goodman -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bob Harter Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 5:36 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] Bigler at Little Conewago Minor point, but Elizabeth Eller married Joh. Christian Harter. Some of the early records spell the family name as Herder, but I have never seen it rendered as Herter -- not to say it never was, though. (Christian and Elizabeth were my 5G grandparents) Bob Harter ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have recently acquired a copy of the book, George Michael Eller and Descendants of His on America by James William Hook. It was originally published in 1957, but reprinted in the 1990's. In discussing Michael Eller's siblings, it mentions his brother Henry Eller. On page 14, " According to a letter of Mary Hoss Headman of Knoxville, Tenn., published in the Maryland Historical magazine in 1945 (Vol 50, p. 250), Henry Eller Sr. married Elizabeth Bigler (Beigler), dau. of Mark and Catherine Bigler. Bigler's will, proved in Frederick Co. in 1787, mentions a wife Catherine, (sometimes written Marie Catherine), and children, (1) Catherine Bigler who m. Henry Miller; (2) Elizabeth Bigler, who m. Henry Eller (Etter); (3) Phoebe Bigler, who m. Lazarus Fonderburgh; (4) Salome Bigler, who m. Samuel Tomme; (5) Mark Bigler Jr., who m. Catherine Lease, dau fo Philip Lease who d. in Frederick Co., Md. about 1769; (6) Israel Bigler; (7) Daughter Bigler, who m. Mr. Randabush; (8) Hester Bigler; (9) Juliana Bigler; (10) Barbara Bigler. (Will Book GM, No. 2, p. 238, Frederick Co., Md.)" Hopefully this will help with the Mark Bigler family. Milton Cook ____________________________________________________________ $65/Hr Job - 25 Openings Part-Time job ($20-$65/hr). Requirements: Home Internet Access http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d5c0e3bd564a3f2f6fst02vuc

Thanks Bonita, this at least sets the date, time and place for those who are planning on attending the meeting. Gale ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] FOBG > This much I know today. Date for FOBG meeting is July 2, 2011 at 3p.m. in > the Amway Grand Plaza Hotel, Grand Rapids, MI. > Room and speaker to be announced in the next issue of BRETHREN ROOTS due > out in April. > Bonita Rogers, Editor

I am sure there is lots of Miller information available. One huge site I found is: http://brewer-family.org/genealogy/miller According to the information on this site, Henry Miller, husband of Catharine Bigler, was born 1743 and died in 1793. He was the son of David Miller, born 1734 in Frederick County, MD and died in 1783, husband of Catherine. His father was Abraham Miller, born 24 Aug 1707 and died 20 Sep 1754 in Frederick County, MD. Lots of Miller information on this site! N. H. Goodman -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John McLeod Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 7:48 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] Bigler at Little Conewago Does anyone know anything about the ancestors of the Henry Miller who married Catharine Bigler, d/o Mark Bigler. He apparently came down to Maryland at about the same time as Mark Bigler and family. I have found reason to suppose that I am descended from their son, Joseph Miller bn. 1765.

Yes Marilyn, according to Mark Biglers will in 1787, his daughter Elizabeth was the wife of Henry Eller. I am a descendant of Mark Biglers son Jacob, and I am just beginning to gather information on his other children and their descendants. It looks like the Eller line has been well researched. I am puzzled though that Mark also names in his will a granddaughter, Elizabeth Etter. Is there also an Etter line, or is this a transcription error? I have a photo copy of the recorded will and the names Eller and Etter are very clearly not the same name. It has been thought that this Elizabeth was the daughter of Henry and Elizabeth Eller. They did have a daughter Elizabeth, but she was married to Christian Herter about 1774. So who is Elizabeth Etter? N. H. Goodman -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marilyn Schwartz Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 12:02 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] Bigler at Little Conewago I am descended from Elizabeth (Beigler) and Henry Eller. I have seen online genealogies that she was the daughter of Marks Beigler. Is this accurate?

This much I know today. Date for FOBG meeting is July 2, 2011 at 3p.m. in the Amway Grand Plaza Hotel, Grand Rapids, MI. Room and speaker to be announced in the next issue of BRETHREN ROOTS due out in April. Bonita Rogers, Editor --- [email protected] wrote: From: "gale honeyman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: [BRE] FOBG Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 22:27:58 -0500 Has a speaker, date and location been set for the Fellowship of Brethren Genealogists meeting at the Church of the Brethren Annual Conference this year in Grand Rapids MI? ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need.

Elizabeth, I have the newer Ziegler Family Record Revised and in a quick look I do NOT find your Martin, the Leonhardt information from the 1906 book appears to be the same. Who told you your family was in the 1990 book? Ask them what page and I will look again. This book is still available from the authors: http://home.rica.net/masonf3150/ Stan Follis -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of elizabeth Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 2:20 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [BRE] New and seeking help with surname ZEIGLER/ZIEGLER in book Hello, I just joined this list after receiving some information from some kind soul on another list. I have searched your archives and did not find any mention of the ancestor I am seeking. The other researcher told me that I could find my family in a book called "Ziegler Family Record - Revised" by Floyd and Kathryn Mason. After searching online for this book, I found my way somehow to this Brethren mailing list. I have been searching for many years for my elusive ancestor. His name was Martin ZEIGLER / ZIEGLER (spelled many ways).( I do know for sure that my Martin is "not" the Martin b. 1770 who was the son of George Philip of West Manchester Twp, York Co, PA. ) My Martin was b. 1778/1779 and is buried in Newport, Perry County, PA. His wife's name was Susannah. I have a lot of information on their children," except" for Amos and Susannah. I have nothing on them. The earliest reference I have found to my Martin is a tax list for Latimore Twp, Adams Co, PA in 1807. Along with him there are three other ZEIGLERS.....a Widow Mary, John who is a weaver, and Leonard. It has been impossible to trace the common names Mary and John, so I have tried to find Leonard (Leonhardt, etc.). The only thing I have been able to find is a Leonard Zeigler in a book called "The Ziegler Family Record" By Jesse Ziegler, Daniel P Ziegler. It says that Leonard "Moved to Adams co., PA". It only gives this additional information -- "Leonhardt Ziegler No. 8 Gen II, born Mar. 5, 1768 (son of Philip Ziegler b. in Bern, Switzerland 1734 and Regina Reguel b. in Wurtemburg, Germany and settled in Rehersburg, Lancaster County, PA (which is now Berks County, PA), married Catherine Redig who was born Nov. 16, 1772. They were married Dec. 10, 1790. Moved to Adams co., PA. To them were born 6 children as follows: 29. Elizabeth Ziegler, born Aug. 10, 1791 30. John Ziegler, born Dec. 31, 1793 31. Catherine Ziegler, born Dec. 31, 1795 32. Eva Ziegler, born July 16, 1800 33. Regina Ziegler, born Oct. 27, 1802 34. Mary Ziegler, born Aug. 28, 1805" 'My' Martin is not mentioned in that book. I am trying to find this new book where I have been told my family is included in hopes of finding - 1. The parents or siblings of my Martin Zeigler. 2. His wife Susannah's maiden name. 3. How Martin might be related to the Widow Mary, John, and Leonard that are on the same tax list in 1807. Does anyone have this book who might be willing to lookup my family in it? I would be happy to do some searching for you in return. I can access Heritage Quest, as well as KindredKonnections, and NewspaperArchive which my children have given me as Christmas gifts. (I'm an old lady on Soc. Sec. so this is what I ask for when gift times come around......makes it easy for them and I love it....LOL!) Thank you, Elizabeth ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Elizabeth, I checked the Mason book to no avail. I see no listing for Martin however, Leonhardt is listed as son of Philip Ziegler II and Elizabeth Smith. I did find a Leonard Ziegler son of John and Mary Stohler lived near Rehrersburg PA. and leonard had a son named MANUEL. says leonard's family lived near Lititz PA no dob for Manuel but shows he has younger brother John b. 1816 Martin could be a middle name but this book is 700 pages of Ziegler family. If you have more clues i can try and help more. ----- Original Message ----- From: "elizabeth" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 1:20 AM Subject: [BRE] New and seeking help with surname ZEIGLER/ZIEGLER in book > Hello, > > I just joined this list after receiving some information from some kind > soul > on another list. I have searched your archives and did not find any > mention > of the ancestor I am seeking. > > The other researcher told me that I could find my family in a book called > "Ziegler Family Record - Revised" by Floyd and Kathryn Mason. After > searching online for this book, I found my way somehow to this Brethren > mailing list. > > I have been searching for many years for my elusive ancestor. His name was > Martin ZEIGLER / ZIEGLER (spelled many ways).( I do know for sure that my > Martin is "not" the Martin b. 1770 who was the son of George Philip of > West > Manchester Twp, York Co, PA. ) > > My Martin was b. 1778/1779 and is buried in Newport, Perry County, PA. His > wife's name was Susannah. I have a lot of information on their children," > except" for Amos and Susannah. I have nothing on them. > > The earliest reference I have found to my Martin is a tax list for > Latimore > Twp, Adams Co, PA in 1807. Along with him there are three other > ZEIGLERS.....a Widow Mary, John who is a weaver, and Leonard. > > It has been impossible to trace the common names Mary and John, so I have > tried to find Leonard (Leonhardt, etc.). The only thing I have been able > to > find is a Leonard Zeigler in a book called "The Ziegler Family Record" By > Jesse Ziegler, Daniel P Ziegler. > > It says that Leonard "Moved to Adams co., PA". > > It only gives this additional information -- > "Leonhardt Ziegler No. 8 Gen II, born Mar. 5, 1768 (son of Philip > Ziegler > b. in Bern, Switzerland 1734 and Regina Reguel b. in Wurtemburg, Germany > and > settled in Rehersburg, Lancaster County, PA (which is now Berks County, > PA), > married Catherine Redig who was born Nov. 16, 1772. They were married Dec. > 10, 1790. Moved to Adams co., PA. To them were born 6 children as follows: > 29. Elizabeth Ziegler, born Aug. 10, 1791 > 30. John Ziegler, born Dec. 31, 1793 > 31. Catherine Ziegler, born Dec. 31, 1795 > 32. Eva Ziegler, born July 16, 1800 > 33. Regina Ziegler, born Oct. 27, 1802 > 34. Mary Ziegler, born Aug. 28, 1805" > > 'My' Martin is not mentioned in that book. > > I am trying to find this new book where I have been told my family is > included in hopes of finding - > > 1. The parents or siblings of my Martin Zeigler. > 2. His wife Susannah's maiden name. > 3. How Martin might be related to the Widow Mary, John, and Leonard that > are > on the same tax list in 1807. > > Does anyone have this book who might be willing to lookup my family in it? > I > would be happy to do some searching for you in return. I can access > Heritage > Quest, as well as KindredKonnections, and NewspaperArchive which my > children > have given me as Christmas gifts. (I'm an old lady on Soc. Sec. so this is > what I ask for when gift times come around......makes it easy for them and > I > love it....LOL!) > > > Thank you, > Elizabeth > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sorry, there are no Beiglers nor Ellers in the Black Rock book. cjh

Hello, I just joined this list after receiving some information from some kind soul on another list. I have searched your archives and did not find any mention of the ancestor I am seeking. The other researcher told me that I could find my family in a book called "Ziegler Family Record - Revised" by Floyd and Kathryn Mason. After searching online for this book, I found my way somehow to this Brethren mailing list. I have been searching for many years for my elusive ancestor. His name was Martin ZEIGLER / ZIEGLER (spelled many ways).( I do know for sure that my Martin is "not" the Martin b. 1770 who was the son of George Philip of West Manchester Twp, York Co, PA. ) My Martin was b. 1778/1779 and is buried in Newport, Perry County, PA. His wife's name was Susannah. I have a lot of information on their children," except" for Amos and Susannah. I have nothing on them. The earliest reference I have found to my Martin is a tax list for Latimore Twp, Adams Co, PA in 1807. Along with him there are three other ZEIGLERS.....a Widow Mary, John who is a weaver, and Leonard. It has been impossible to trace the common names Mary and John, so I have tried to find Leonard (Leonhardt, etc.). The only thing I have been able to find is a Leonard Zeigler in a book called "The Ziegler Family Record" By Jesse Ziegler, Daniel P Ziegler. It says that Leonard "Moved to Adams co., PA". It only gives this additional information -- "Leonhardt Ziegler No. 8 Gen II, born Mar. 5, 1768 (son of Philip Ziegler b. in Bern, Switzerland 1734 and Regina Reguel b. in Wurtemburg, Germany and settled in Rehersburg, Lancaster County, PA (which is now Berks County, PA), married Catherine Redig who was born Nov. 16, 1772. They were married Dec. 10, 1790. Moved to Adams co., PA. To them were born 6 children as follows: 29. Elizabeth Ziegler, born Aug. 10, 1791 30. John Ziegler, born Dec. 31, 1793 31. Catherine Ziegler, born Dec. 31, 1795 32. Eva Ziegler, born July 16, 1800 33. Regina Ziegler, born Oct. 27, 1802 34. Mary Ziegler, born Aug. 28, 1805" 'My' Martin is not mentioned in that book. I am trying to find this new book where I have been told my family is included in hopes of finding - 1. The parents or siblings of my Martin Zeigler. 2. His wife Susannah's maiden name. 3. How Martin might be related to the Widow Mary, John, and Leonard that are on the same tax list in 1807. Does anyone have this book who might be willing to lookup my family in it? I would be happy to do some searching for you in return. I can access Heritage Quest, as well as KindredKonnections, and NewspaperArchive which my children have given me as Christmas gifts. (I'm an old lady on Soc. Sec. so this is what I ask for when gift times come around......makes it easy for them and I love it....LOL!) Thank you, Elizabeth

I am descended from Elizabeth (Beigler) and Henry Eller. I have seen online genealogies that she was the daughter of Marks Beigler. Is this accurate? Are they in the "Black Rock Church" book? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:53 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] Bigler at Little Conewago The Congregation, "Little Conewago" founded in 1738 was later renamed Upper Codorus and is presently known as Black Rock Church of the Brethren. I was born into that congregation and am still an active member there. We have a book, "The History and Families of The Black Rock Church of the Brethren". The index lists these Biglers: Cathryn, John, Mark (1705 - ), Michael.

Has a speaker, date and location been set for the Fellowship of Brethren Genealogists meeting at the Church of the Brethren Annual Conference this year in Grand Rapids MI?

Re Little Conewago: If you would like the History of Black Rock Church of the Brethren, contact me at [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) and I'll get back in touch with you. Yes, we are "cousins"! You mention St. Matthews Lutheran church in Hanover, My g-g-g-g--g- grandfather was John George Bager (later known as Baugher). He was the first pastor of that congregation - having come from Halle University in Germany. So, we have several connections! Definitely makes us "cousins" of some sort! Carol Jean

Does anyone know anything about the ancestors of the Henry Miller who married Catharine Bigler, d/o Mark Bigler. He apparently came down to Maryland at about the same time as Mark Bigler and family. I have found reason to suppose that I am descended from their son, Joseph Miller bn. 1765. My Scottish surname is not relevant to this list. Mother's maiden surname was Miller and all of her ancestors came from German language areas.. At 08:53 PM 2/12/2011, [email protected] wrote: >The Congregation, "Little Conewago" founded in 1738 was later renamed Upper > Codorus and is presently known as Black Rock Church of the Brethren. I >was born into that congregation and am still an active member there. > >We have a book, "The History and Families of The Black Rock Church of the >Brethren". >The index lists these Biglers: Cathryn, John, Mark (1705 - ), Michael. > >Some excerpts --- >Daniel Leatherman was married to Catherine Bigler, the daughter of >Michael. Daniel Leatherman is thought to have been married before - >his first >wife may have died in Europe or on the difficult trip to come here. > >"Some members of the Bigler family were also associated with the growing >experiences of the L.C. congregation. In Switzerland, members of the family >resided in teh communities of Biglen and Worb southeast of Berne. Mark >Bigler (1705 - - ) came to America Sept. 28, 1733 and received a warrant for >one hundred acres of land beyond the Susquehanna River. He never settled >on this land. Like many others, he decided too move on into Frederick >County, MD. . . . " > >Michael Bigler, the brother of Mark, arrived in America May 30, 1741. He >received a warrant of land for one hundred acres in the western reaches of >Lancaster County, PA (April 25, 1744). A later warrant (March 7, 1745) >gave Michael fifty more acres adjoining his other land 'ont he >Little Conewago >over the Susquehanna'. Michael was married to Rosina Boyer ( - 1785), >the widow of Adam Boyer. Like his brother, Michael moved into MD >to purchase >lands in Frederick Co. However, the son of Michael remained in York Co. >and was naturalized on May 29, 1770. An early record of Manheim Township >shows that a John Bigler ( - 1803) and his wife, Mary, were >residents of the >township at the beginning of the 19th century." > >(The building of B. R. Church is located in Manheim Township of York Co., >PA.) > > > ------------------------ >Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) >For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you for your reply to my posting regarding the Biglers at Little Conewago. It is really wonderful to meet someone who was not only born in the place where my Bigler ancestors first settled in America, but who also was born into the same church they were members of!! Does that make us cousins? I am very interested in the book you mention: The History and Families of The Black Rock Church of the Brethren. I have not been able to locate this book in any library or bookstore. Do you know if there are still any copies available, and if so, where I can obtain one? I have some questions that maybe you can find answers to in the book you have, or that other members of this list might know something about. 1). I am not sure just when the Biglers became affiliated with the Church of the Brethren. In the Rev. John Casper Stoever's "Baptismal and Marriage Records", 1730-1779 there appears: John Michael Biegler and Susanna Reuscher, Married December 14, 1741. And in the records of St. Mathews Lutheran Congregation of Conewago: Baptism of John Michael Bügler, born May 17, 1743, son of John Michael Bügler. So Michael was married first to Susanna Reuscher before he married Rosina Boyer. In Michael's will he gives 5 Pounds current money to Mark Beegler, son of his brother Mark. He leaves everything else to Rosina with no mention to any of their children. Michael's widow, Rosannah Biglar, mentions in her will of September 9, 1785, her dowry from her deceased husband of york County, several of her children named Boyer, and her daughter Catharine's husband, Daniel Leatherman, who was her executor. 2.) So was Catherine Adam Boyer's daughter or Michael Bigler's daughter? I also find the naturalization record of Michael Beagler from Cadorus Township, York County on May 29, 1772. This might be supposed to be Michaels son. 3.) Assuming this is the John Michael, who was born in Conewago, why did this Michael Beagler needed to be naturalized? Maybe because his father had not yet been naturalized. 4.) Is this the John Bigler and his wife Mary, who were residents of Manheim township, and did they have children? Regards, N. H. Goodman -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:53 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] Bigler at Little Conewago The Congregation, "Little Conewago" founded in 1738 was later renamed Upper Codorus and is presently known as Black Rock Church of the Brethren. I was born into that congregation and am still an active member there. We have a book, "The History and Families of The Black Rock Church of the Brethren". The index lists these Biglers: Cathryn, John, Mark (1705 - ), Michael. Some excerpts --- Daniel Leatherman was married to Catherine Bigler, the daughter of Michael. Daniel Leatherman is thought to have been married before - his first wife may have died in Europe or on the difficult trip to come here. "Some members of the Bigler family were also associated with the growing experiences of the L.C. congregation. In Switzerland, members of the family resided in teh communities of Biglen and Worb southeast of Berne. Mark Bigler (1705 - - ) came to America Sept. 28, 1733 and received a warrant for one hundred acres of land beyond the Susquehanna River. He never settled on this land. Like many others, he decided too move on into Frederick County, MD. . . . " Michael Bigler, the brother of Mark, arrived in America May 30, 1741. He received a warrant of land for one hundred acres in the western reaches of Lancaster County, PA (April 25, 1744). A later warrant (March 7, 1745) gave Michael fifty more acres adjoining his other land 'ont he Little Conewago over the Susquehanna'. Michael was married to Rosina Boyer ( - 1785), the widow of Adam Boyer. Like his brother, Michael moved into MD to purchase lands in Frederick Co. However, the son of Michael remained in York Co. and was naturalized on May 29, 1770. An early record of Manheim Township shows that a John Bigler ( - 1803) and his wife, Mary, were residents of the township at the beginning of the 19th century." (The building of B. R. Church is located in Manheim Township of York Co., PA.)