The Registers of the Ephrata Community by Julius F. Sachse List prepared by Judith Cox Whipple Is found at: http://www.cob-net.org/text/gencloister01.htm -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of William Thomas Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 6:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names? Susy: There is the Ephrata Death Register on the COB website. You can also download the Chronicon Ephratense (a detailed history on the cloister). I believe the book Pennsylvania Vital Statistics also includes Ephrata records. Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Suzy Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 7:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names? I was thinking about trying to find evidence of Jacob Schmucker in early Brethren records, and I keep swirling around that Ephrata Cloister. What kinds of records are available for that place? Suzy Smucker Wert Indianapolis -----Original Message----- From: Janet Hall <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, Feb 24, 2011 7:35 pm Subject: [BRE] Groff Mariah Royer, daughter of Daniel and Catharine Kemper Royer married Abraham Groff. She died before 1827. Since the Royer name has been associated with Ephrata, perhaps this is a line to explore regarding the Groff line of recent discussion. Janet Source: Frysinger Shifflet, Pennsylvania German Ancestors, p. 306 ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Janet, I have Mariah [Royer] Groff married to Abraham Groff (1760-1827), son of Franz Groff (1734-1819) of Rapho Township. Several of the children of Franz Groff seem to have married along the tier of Lancaster County townships that run, west to east, from Rapho, to Warwick, to Cocalico (of which Ephrata spun off). It is possible that the Rapho Groffs were related somehow to the Cocalico/Ephrata Graffs, but I don't know how. The Groff/Graff families are pervasive in Lancaster County. They have been studied many times over, and no one (including Richard Warren Davis and the authors of the Groff Books I and II) can keep them all straight. Now and then I go to WorldConnect to scout out the alleged connections between the Groff/Graff families, and come away with the sinking feeling that no one really knows the connections. However, I want to credit Brent Rhodes for having the most trustworthy WorldConnect Graf/Graff/Groff/Grove website in my opinion. Dwayne -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Janet Hall Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 7:36 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BRE] Groff Mariah Royer, daughter of Daniel and Catharine Kemper Royer married Abraham Groff. She died before 1827. Since the Royer name has been associated with Ephrata, perhaps this is a line to explore regarding the Groff line of recent discussion. Janet Source: Frysinger Shifflet, Pennsylvania German Ancestors, p. 306 ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Susy: There is the Ephrata Death Register on the COB website. You can also download the Chronicon Ephratense (a detailed history on the cloister). I believe the book Pennsylvania Vital Statistics also includes Ephrata records. Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Suzy Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 7:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names? I was thinking about trying to find evidence of Jacob Schmucker in early Brethren records, and I keep swirling around that Ephrata Cloister. What kinds of records are available for that place? Suzy Smucker Wert Indianapolis -----Original Message----- From: Janet Hall <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, Feb 24, 2011 7:35 pm Subject: [BRE] Groff Mariah Royer, daughter of Daniel and Catharine Kemper Royer married Abraham Groff. She died before 1827. Since the Royer name has been associated with Ephrata, perhaps this is a line to explore regarding the Groff line of recent discussion. Janet Source: Frysinger Shifflet, Pennsylvania German Ancestors, p. 306 ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I was thinking about trying to find evidence of Jacob Schmucker in early Brethren records, and I keep swirling around that Ephrata Cloister. What kinds of records are available for that place? Suzy Smucker Wert Indianapolis -----Original Message----- From: Janet Hall <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, Feb 24, 2011 7:35 pm Subject: [BRE] Groff Mariah Royer, daughter of Daniel and Catharine Kemper Royer married Abraham Groff. She died before 1827. Since the Royer name has been associated with Ephrata, perhaps this is a line to explore regarding the Groff line of recent discussion. Janet Source: Frysinger Shifflet, Pennsylvania German Ancestors, p. 306 ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Mariah Royer, daughter of Daniel and Catharine Kemper Royer married Abraham Groff. She died before 1827. Since the Royer name has been associated with Ephrata, perhaps this is a line to explore regarding the Groff line of recent discussion. Janet Source: Frysinger Shifflet, Pennsylvania German Ancestors, p. 306
Mary Ann, here is the response I received from Cathryn Adams regarding your question about Hannah Booher's ancestry. (Hannah Booher married Marx Bigler's son Jacob) As she mentions in her response, she has been researching the Booher, Booker, Bucher, Bougher, etc. lines for 25 years. N. H. Goodman From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 6:58 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Hannah Booher or Booker It is believed that Hannah came to Mongolia county (later became Harrison County, West Virginia) about 1782 with a brother named Henry, and a widowed sister, Barbara Hutchinson. A Henry Booher constantly appears in Harrison County records near her husband, Jacob Bigler. This BROTHER married Catherine Koone, NOT HER FATHER. Note that the name Hannah is rare in German records. Hannah Booher Bigler was said to be of German AND WELSH origon. She was described in a Bigler family history as being tall, slender, red-haired, intelligent, and industrious. My research tells me (25 years of it) that she is the HANNAH BUCHER that was born 29 June 1760 and christened 13 Sep 1760 by the traveling preacher of the German Reformed Church.of Tohikon, Bucks, Pennsylvania. I believe that her brother, HENRY BUCHER, was married after he moved to Harrison County West Virginia as there were many Koone families that had been there for some time. This Henry's will was written 30 Jan 1839 in Harrison, West Virginial It was proved on Feb 15, 1841 and on Mar 15, 1841. It can be found on GS microfilm 847,082. According to the will Henry's daughters Barbary, Sarah and Elizabeth each married men by the surname of Pile. Daughter Katherine married a Baker. No Hannah. Hannah Booher (Bucher)'s parents were actually Henry Bucher born about1734 who married a Hannah born about 1735 and whose family was baptized by the traveling preacher. ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "N. H. Goodman" <[email protected]> To: "Cathryn E. Adams" <[email protected]> Subject: Hannah Booher or Booker Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:29:57 -0700 Hi Cathryn! I have been working on our lines in Little Conewago, York, Pennsylvania, where the Biglers lived before they moved to Maryland. I don't know when they became members of the Church of the Brethren, aka German Baptist Brethren. The Church of the Brethren (COB) have a very active mailing list at [email protected] as well as the "Fellowship of Brethren Genealogists", which I have recently joined. I have had so much fun meeting lots of our distant cousins on the mailing list! I had mentioned Jacob Bigler and Hannah Booher, and I received the following from a member of the list: > Hello > > Do you know the lineage of Hannah Booher that you mentioned? > I'm unable to place her. Dates. Places etc> > > Thank you > > Mary Ann Booher > Since I was on my way out of town for almost a week, I forwarded her letter to you. Did you receive it alright? I really don't know how to answer her, since there seems to be several Booher or Booker persons who are thought to be Hanna's father, grandfather or brother. Have you been able to untangle those relationships yet? I am sure there are other cousins on the list who are interested in that information also - myself included! I am not sure if you can reply directly to the list without joining the list - which of course you can do if you wish, or you can write to me and I will forward it to the list. Hope to hear from you on this matter soon! Also hope you are making great progress in your research on this line. Norma ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail <http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210> & Video Chat!
Hal, you probably suspect that I am trying to see if there is a connection between our mutual ancestor, Catherine Grove (died 1849 in Auburn Township, Sangamon County, Illinois) and the Graff/Groff families of Lancaster County. If so, you are correct. My hypothesis is that her line was Jacob Graff/Grove (died circa 1800) - Jacob Graff of Ephrata (1699-1776) - Hans Groff (died 1746) - Marx Graf (born 1640). Jacob Graff of Ephrata became a follower of Conrad Beissel, but his ancestry was Swiss Mennonite. The line that you have in your message doesn't fit for me. First there is no record to my knowledge that our Catherine Grove was born in 1780. Her tombstone and Poley Family Bible Study Book records indicate that she was born in 1776. Her father was known as Jacob Grove in Rowan and Wilkes Counties, North Carolina, and he died about 1800 (just prior to when his sons and daughters moved to Muhlenberg County, Kentucky). He was not a doctor who died in 1819. I suspect that he may have been the son of Jacob Graff (1699-1776) of Ephrata. This Jacob's father, Hans Groff died in 1746, not 1740. We do, however, converge with Marx Graf. I'm very curious how you got your generations of Graffs in between our Catherine Grove (1776-1849) and Marx Graf (born 1640). My findings, which are different from yours, are fully documented in "Jacob Graff (1699-1776) of the Ephrata Community," MENNONITE FAMILY HISTORY, April 2009, pp. 74-80. Did your Elder Daniel B. Gibson have family records for his mother's family? If so, I hope you will share them. Dwayne -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Harald S. Gibson Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 8:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BRE] Continuation of Conestoga baptisms of Graff family members (Dwayne Wrightsman) Dwayne, how does this line connect, if at all, with the line Catherine Grove 1780-1849 - Dr Jacob Grove 1737-1819 - John Hans Groff 1697-1780 - Hans Groff 1661-1740 - Marx Sporri Graf 1640-1718 - Jacob Peter Graf 1616 - Hans Graf 1589 --- ? ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Christian Family Companion March 21, 1871 page 191 Brother Henry: We had a terrible fire here on Saturday, March 4th. John M. Rhodes’ barn burned down, with all his stock: 9 head of horses, 12 head of horn cattle, 28 sheep and dog and cat, nothing living escaped but 4 small pigs and a few chickens. Most all his grain of three years raising, and many farm implements were destroyed. The loss is estimated at $300o, without the barn, which belongs to Adam Fouse, and which was insured at $1400. The cause of the fire is a mystery. John W. Brumbaugh. Clover Creek, PA
Dwayne, how does this line connect, if at all, with the line Catherine Grove 1780-1849 - Dr Jacob Grove 1737-1819 - John Hans Groff 1697-1780 - Hans Groff 1661-1740 - Marx Sporri Graf 1640-1718 - Jacob Peter Graf 1616 - Hans Graf 1589 --- ?
Gale, I did not see any Heckendorn and none of the 15 Sarah Ziegler's seem to fit born 1813/1805 in the 1990 Revised book. Perhaps Ziegler is a first husband's name? You can double check in the 1906 book online http://www.archive.org/stream/zieglerfamilyrec00zieg#page/10/mode/2up/search /sarah click any of the orange tear drops on the bottom timeline to read pop up on all the Sarah's. Stan Follis -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of gale honeyman Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 12:41 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [BRE] Ziegler book In these books is there a mention of Sarah Ziegler who wed John Heckendorn on Dec 10, 1849 in the Zion Evangelical Lutheran Church in Jonestown PA. Census records are conflicting as to her age, 1850 at 37, 1860 at 45 and then I loose site of her. Her parents names are desired. Thanks for any help. Gale ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I did not find a Heckendorn. Lots of Sarah's but would need more information. Have you tried searching in digital book collection? http://www.lib.byu.edu/fhc/index.php ----- Original Message ----- From: "gale honeyman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 11:41 PM Subject: [BRE] Ziegler book > In these books is there a mention of Sarah Ziegler who wed John Heckendorn > on Dec 10, 1849 in the Zion Evangelical Lutheran Church in Jonestown PA. > Census records are conflicting as to her age, 1850 at 37, 1860 at 45 and > then I loose site of her. Her parents names are desired. Thanks for any > help. > > > > Gale > > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
In these books is there a mention of Sarah Ziegler who wed John Heckendorn on Dec 10, 1849 in the Zion Evangelical Lutheran Church in Jonestown PA. Census records are conflicting as to her age, 1850 at 37, 1860 at 45 and then I loose site of her. Her parents names are desired. Thanks for any help. Gale
Hello, Thank you for all your help. I went back and found where I had located the information about Leonard moving to Adams Co. and it was not in Mason's book. There is another Ziegler book by *Jesse Ziegler called "The Ziegler family record : a complete record of the Ziegler family from our ancestor, Philip Ziegler, born in Bern, Switzerland, in 1734, down to the seventh and eighth generations : including also those who are directly descended from the family as far as data could be obtained* Royersford, Pa.: J. Ziegler, 1906, 118 pgs." This is the book where I found the information on Leonard Ziegler moving to Adams County (Pg. 11). It follows all his children. Seems to be more thorough than the Mason book perhaps. But there is nothing in this book either on my Martin Ziegler!! I can't find him anywhere! I was tracking Leonard in hopes he might lead me to my Martin since there is a Leonard in the 1807 Latimore Twp, Adams Co, tax list with my Martin. So far, no luck in connecting them or finding my Martin before 1807. I guess if my Martin is not in either of the books, then his children won't be in there either so I can't think of anything else to search for in them. I appreciate you offer to help. Elizabeth ================================================== On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 6:24 PM, Lee & Lynne McDonald <[email protected]>wrote: > I will be more than happy to help you look up what ever you would like. > These books get awfully expensive. Most of Mason's books are primarily > family trees and the Ziegler family record revised that I have is about the > Philip Ziegler and Regina Requel family if that helps, > It appears that Leonardt Ziegler b 1768 is son of Philip and Regina. He > shows 6 children listed (no martin) and he was married to Catherine Redig. > Of the six children the trees goes on for only 2... > John b. 1793 m ??? > had son John Zielger > who had son Christian Ziegler > and > "Regina Born 1805 m-1 Jacob Reiff, and m-2 Charles Shultz. They lived at > Mumsburg, *Adams Co. PA.* > ** > So far I haven't found where it says Leonard went to Adams Co. but I will > keep looking unless the index doesn't have the histories indexed only the > trees > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* elizabeth <[email protected]> > *To:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 16, 2011 3:43 PM > *Subject:* Re: [BRE] New and seeking help with surname ZEIGLER/ZIEGLER in > book > > Thank you for your help. I re-read the information from the other > researcher and it is possible that I misunderstood and he was just referring > to the data on Leonard being in the book. > > Since the book says that Leonard "went to Adams Co." I was SO hopeful this > was the same Leonard named in the 1807 Adams Co. tax list along with my > Martin. Now I don't know if it is or not. > > Does this book have an index? Is there any possible way that you could look > for that Widow Mary, John , and any other Leonards listed in the book to see > if any of them might have gone to York Co. (which later became Adams Co.)? > > I have seen the book for sale online but cannot afford it. but I am willing > to help someone in exchange for their help by doing lookups in the resources > I can access online. > > Thank you, > Elizabeth > ================================================== > > On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Lee & Lynne McDonald <[email protected] > > wrote: > >> Elizabeth, >> I checked the Mason book to no avail. I see no listing for Martin >> however, >> Leonhardt is listed as son of Philip Ziegler II and Elizabeth Smith. >> I did find a Leonard Ziegler son of John and Mary Stohler lived near >> Rehrersburg PA. and leonard had a son named MANUEL. says leonard's family >> lived near Lititz PA no dob for Manuel but shows he has younger brother >> John >> b. 1816 >> >> Martin could be a middle name but this book is 700 pages of Ziegler >> family. >> If you have more clues i can try and help more. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "elizabeth" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 1:20 AM >> Subject: [BRE] New and seeking help with surname ZEIGLER/ZIEGLER in book >> >> >> > Hello, >> > >> > I just joined this list after receiving some information from some kind >> > soul >> > on another list. I have searched your archives and did not find any >> > mention >> > of the ancestor I am seeking. >> > >> > The other researcher told me that I could find my family in a book >> called >> > "Ziegler Family Record - Revised" by Floyd and Kathryn Mason. After >> > searching online for this book, I found my way somehow to this Brethren >> > mailing list. >> > >> > I have been searching for many years for my elusive ancestor. His name >> was >> > Martin ZEIGLER / ZIEGLER (spelled many ways).( I do know for sure that >> my >> > Martin is "not" the Martin b. 1770 who was the son of George Philip of >> > West >> > Manchester Twp, York Co, PA. ) >> > >> > My Martin was b. 1778/1779 and is buried in Newport, Perry County, PA. >> His >> > wife's name was Susannah. I have a lot of information on their >> children," >> > except" for Amos and Susannah. I have nothing on them. >> > >> > The earliest reference I have found to my Martin is a tax list for >> > Latimore >> > Twp, Adams Co, PA in 1807. Along with him there are three other >> > ZEIGLERS.....a Widow Mary, John who is a weaver, and Leonard. >> > >> > It has been impossible to trace the common names Mary and John, so I >> have >> > tried to find Leonard (Leonhardt, etc.). The only thing I have been able >> > to >> > find is a Leonard Zeigler in a book called "The Ziegler Family Record" >> By >> > Jesse Ziegler, Daniel P Ziegler. >> > >> > It says that Leonard "Moved to Adams co., PA". >> > >> > It only gives this additional information -- >> > "Leonhardt Ziegler No. 8 Gen II, born Mar. 5, 1768 (son of Philip >> > Ziegler >> > b. in Bern, Switzerland 1734 and Regina Reguel b. in Wurtemburg, Germany >> > and >> > settled in Rehersburg, Lancaster County, PA (which is now Berks County, >> > PA), >> > married Catherine Redig who was born Nov. 16, 1772. They were married >> Dec. >> > 10, 1790. Moved to Adams co., PA. To them were born 6 children as >> follows: >> > 29. Elizabeth Ziegler, born Aug. 10, 1791 >> > 30. John Ziegler, born Dec. 31, 1793 >> > 31. Catherine Ziegler, born Dec. 31, 1795 >> > 32. Eva Ziegler, born July 16, 1800 >> > 33. Regina Ziegler, born Oct. 27, 1802 >> > 34. Mary Ziegler, born Aug. 28, 1805" >> > >> > 'My' Martin is not mentioned in that book. >> > >> > I am trying to find this new book where I have been told my family is >> > included in hopes of finding - >> > >> > 1. The parents or siblings of my Martin Zeigler. >> > 2. His wife Susannah's maiden name. >> > 3. How Martin might be related to the Widow Mary, John, and Leonard that >> > are >> > on the same tax list in 1807. >> > >> > Does anyone have this book who might be willing to lookup my family in >> it? >> > I >> > would be happy to do some searching for you in return. I can access >> > Heritage >> > Quest, as well as KindredKonnections, and NewspaperArchive which my >> > children >> > have given me as Christmas gifts. (I'm an old lady on Soc. Sec. so this >> is >> > what I ask for when gift times come around......makes it easy for them >> and >> > I >> > love it....LOL!) >> > >> > >> > Thank you, >> > Elizabeth >> > >> > ------------------------ >> > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> > ------------------------ >> > Support Our Sponsoring Agency >> > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) >> > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] >> > ------------------------ >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------ >> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> ------------------------ >> Support Our Sponsoring Agency >> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) >> For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] >> ------------------------ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >
Frederick "Fred" W. Benedict, 81, of Union City, OH, passed away Sunday, February 20, 2011, at the Brethren Retirement Community in Greenville, Ohio. He was a Brethren historian, printer, and writer who headed the Brethren Encyclopedia Project (www.brethrenencyclopedia.org) until a few years ago when the current president, Robert Lehigh, succeeded him. He was one of the originators of the Brethren Heritage Center and served as the first Chair of its Board of Directors. He was also a prolific writer of articles published in numerous periodicals, and publisher of "Old Order Notes" and "Quest." He was born January 16, 1930, in Waynesboro, PA, to Louis & Martha (Stoner) Benedict. Soon after graduating from Quincy High School, PA he moved to Madison County, Indiana (his mother's home locale), where he and his wife spent several years as part of the Beech Grove OGBB congregation. Later they moved to the Union City, Ohio area where they were members of the Old German Baptist Brethren Church, Shady Grove District. He is survived by his wife Reva (Bowman) Benedict; two sons and two daughters, 14 grandchildren, five great grandchildren, two brothers and five sisters. Funeral services will be held 10:00 AM Thursday, February 24, at the Old German Baptist Brethren Church, 6360 Farrington Rd, Covington, Ohio. Interment will follow at Sugar Grove Cemetery. Visitation will be held 3-5 and 6-8 PM Wednesday, at Jackson-Sarver Funeral Home, 10 S. High Street, Covington, Ohio. Memorial contributions may be made to Brethren Heritage Center, Brookville, or State of the Heart Hospice. -- __________________________ James Shuman, Co-Moderator [email protected] __________________________
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In my previous message (see below) I listed the Conestoga baptisms of members bearing the Graff/Groff surname. Most were from the family of Franz and (second wife) Eva [Hamacher/Hammacker] Graff of Rapho Township, Lancaster County. The two remaining names were those of Fronica Graff (baptized 1750) and Hannes Graff (baptized 1754). Fronica Graff was the daughter of Jacob Graff (1699-1776) of Ephrata. She married Peter Eichenberg (baptized 1752) in 1758. Peter was also of Ephrata and was an executor of Jacob Graff's estate in 1776. He was also at that time elder in charge of the Conestoga congregation. We do not know if Hannes Graff was a brother of Fronica and son of Jacob. The only child mentioned by Jacob in his estate was his oldest son Joseph. We also know from the Registers of the Ephrata Cloister than Jacob had a daughter "Sister Priscam." We have also deduced that Fronica [Graff] Eichenberg was a daughter of Jacob. The only other clue about Jacob Graff's children is that he signed off as Jacob Graff Sr. in his deeds of sale to his oldest son Joseph. The "Sr." designation implies that he had a son named Jacob. Clearly, Jacob and Hannes (John) are two different names, but could they be the same person? The 1771 will of Jacob Graff's father-in-law, Henry Kauffman, spelled Jacob Graff's name as "John Grove." The settlement of Henry Kauffman's estate, nineteen days after Jacob Graff himself died, also spelled Jacob Graff's name as "John Grove." Grove, Groff, Graff, and Graf are obviously alternative spellings of the same surname, but Jacob and John are usually not the same given name, except in cases of "John Jacob" or "Hans Jacob." The way I see it: (1) Jacob may have had both a son named John (Hannes) who was baptized at Conestoga, as well as a son named Jacob, (2) John (Hannes) and Jacob were the same person, or (3) John (Hannes) Graff who was baptized at Conestoga was from another Graff family. Indeed, there was a "John Grove" who was a member of the Little Swatara Congregation in 1770, but this member has been tentatively identified by Little Swatara Brethren historian, Sandra Kauffman, as John Groh (born about 1752) of Bethel Township, Lancaster County. I would like to determine the identity of the Hannes Graff who was baptized into the Conestoga congregation in 1754. Comments and suggestions are welcome. Dwayne Wrightsman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dwayne Wrightsman Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 8:57 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BRE] Franz Graff, Magdalena Herr, Eva Hamacher, and Others In 1997, and again in 2010, this list discussed the family of Franz Graff, arguing about which wife, Magdalena Herr, or Eva Hamacher, was the first wife, and which was the second. Using logic, Magdalena Herr was the first wife because the family was originally Mennonite. The family shifted to Brethren after Franz Graff married Eva Hamacher (who was definitely Brethren). Using age differentials of the children leads to the same conclusion. Second wife, Eva Hamacher, was born into the Brethren family of Adam and Eve Hamacher of the Great Swatara Congregation. Adam was a minister at Great Swatara in 1770. His wife and daughter were also members. It would appear that Eva Hamacher Graff had a big influence in her familys religion. My interest in the Franz Graff family stems from the list of Brethren baptisms in the Conestoga Congregation as reported in Brumbaughs 1899 book, pages 307-315. It turns out that the majority of the Graff/Groff baptisms listed in Brumbaughs book were members of the family of Franz Graff and Eva Hamacher. Page 313 Sister Hamacher and her daughters, Maria and Eva, were baptized in 1763 (actually 1762 according to alternative documents). Page 314 In 1780, June 11, was added Anna Groff (who would marry Henry Mohler of Ephrata in the following year). Page 315 In 1790, May 3, was added Daniel Hollinger Jr. (who would later marry Barbara Graff, daughter of Franz and Eva [Hamacher] Graff). Page 315 in 1793, May 12, were added Hannis Groff and his wife Elizabeth (born Hollinger, daughter of Daniel Hollinger Sr.). In the Brumbaugh book the above names are spelled Groff. The Groff spelling was basically interchangeable with the Graff spelling. Prior to the baptisms reported above, there were some earlier Graff baptisms. These were basically among the children of Jacob Graff (1699-1776) who belonged to Conrad Beissels Ephrata Community of Seventh Day Brethren. Jacob Graff was the oldest son of Hans Graff (died 1746). Hans Graff (discussed in footnote 1, page 161, in Brumbaugh) was one of the original Mennonites to settle in the waters of the Conestoga River (which many years later became Lancaster County). He disowned his oldest son, Jacob Graff, for joining up with Conrad Beissel by cutting him out of his will. When Jacob Graff died in 1776, he left a will but named only his oldest son Joseph. His other children were not named. He left a clue, however, by naming Peter Eichenberg as one of his executors. Page 312 1752, May 3, Peter Eichenberg was baptized (by Elder Michael Pfautz). Page 311 1750, April 15, Fröniga Graff and other Ephrataites were received into the communion of the Conestoga church without rebaptism. Because Fronica was from the Ephrata Community, and because Peter Eichenberg was an executor of Jacob Graffs estate in 1776, and because Jacob Graff was a long-standing member of the Ephrata Community up to his death, I assume that Fronica Graff was a daughter of Jacob Graff and the wife of Peter Eichenberger (who would later become elder in charge of the Conestoga Congregation prior to moving on to Virginia and Ohio). Peter and Fronica were married about 1758 as their oldest child Susannah was born in 1759. Page 312 1754, October 20, Hannes Graff was baptized at Conestoga. Was Hannes a son of Jacob Graff (1699-1776)? (To be continued.) Comments welcome! Dwayne Wrightsman
For N. H. Goodman and all of you on this list who may be researching ancestors from northern Alsace, the cumbersome access to original parish records at the Archives of the Bas-Rhin in Strasbourg, France has been remedied, as they are now available online (as of July 2010). You can access them thus: Go to www.bas-rhin.fr/accueil. This is the official website for the Bas-Rhin department of Alsace. On this welcome page, there will be a drop down menu in the middle of the page titled "Services" with the word "sélectionner" in the box. Click on the box and and select, "état civil numérisé" (digitized birth/marriage/death records). The next page you see will be titled "licence," (user license) where in order to proceed further to access the records, you must agree to the following: 1. to use what you find only for your own private use and not publish it anywhere without permission and 2. to cite the source anywhere you use it, even in your private records. Click on the box asking you to agree to these restrictions, located at the bottom left of the page, and then click "Application Flash." Next, you'll see a screen with a keyboard. Hit "the first few letters of the name of the village whose parish records you wish to search and choices of names beginning with those letters will pop up. Click on the village name you are looking for and then you will see images of books as if on a shelf. Depending on the village, there may be records for protestant reformed, Lutheran, and/or Catholic parishes. Double-click the one you wish to look through. The binding images are labeled BMS for "baptêmes, mariages, sacréments" (baptism, marriages, last rites) and the dates covered by each volume. When the book opens, slide the slider at the bottom to page through the volume. If you find the record you are looking for, you can enlarge it if you wish and then print it off clicking on the the tab "imprimer" (print) at the top of the page, next to the green "retour" (back) tab. It will then print the screen view, automatically adding the source citation at the bottom of the page. While a trip to Strasbourg has to be an enjoyable thing in itself (I adore that gorgeous, ancient city), dealing with French governmental bureaucracies is anything but enjoyable. They always seem to be bureaucratic employee-friendly rather than citizen- or guest-friendly. It is so typical that one would have to set up an appointment two weeks in advance to access their original parish records! Thank god for digitization and the Internet! And fortunately, the French are often way ahead of us in efficient use of digital technologies (ATMs and debit cards, for example, were standard there in the mid-80's, years before we got them.) Hoping this will be helpful to all my cousin researchers! Nancy Cripe -----Original Message----- From: brethren-request <[email protected]> To: brethren <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Feb 17, 2011 5:52 pm Subject: BRETHREN Digest, Vol 6, Issue 54 Message: 5 ate: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:28:10 -0700 rom: "N. H. Goodman" <[email protected]> ubject: Re: [BRE] Bigler at Little Conewago The next year we went to Germany again. Our daughter loaned us a car, took s by the Archives of Bas Rhin, put us in a hotel outside of Strasburg, and eft us there for a week. The above mentioned original parish registers are here but can only be read on microfilm, and you have to make an appointment couple of weeks in advance to use a microfilm reader. (This may have hanged since then.) So, since I had already extracted the family and ollateral lines from the microfilm, I spent my time searching the notary ecords. A notary was like an attorney, and they handled the legal matters, ncluding the distribution of estates. It was there that I found the mothers hat the parish records did not name, and got one more generation back on nother. What a thrill to handle the 300+ year old books of original ocuments and to read the actual signatures of some of our ancestors, and to earn a little about their lives!!
Dwayne, Thank you for your reply, this clears things up for me. I thought maybe I had missed a post about their being related. Debby