Thank you A. Wayne Webb for all your hard work. It is appreciated. -----Original Message----- From: A. Wayne Webb <[email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Sun, Feb 27, 2011 10:50 pm Subject: [BRE] The Brethren Evangelist - Offering #106 Evening Fellow List Members, A little misadventure with the various sites I maintain first, and then on to other things. I have successfully logged on to the Brethren Almanacs web site a number of people in the past month. None of them took the time to read the log in e-mail sent to them and follow the directions within it. In essence it asks that the recipient send a reply to the e-mail denoting their success in logging in so that it is known they were successful. Common courtesy seems to be lacking and I suspect that a thank you for all the hard work that went into the site, or other sites, would have definitely been too difficult. Along the same lines it has been duly noted that as of this evening there have been 1,694 visits to the Brethren Newspapers Offering site. An additional 2,200 visits have been made to the Montgomery county, Ohio web site. On each site this number is viewable at the bottom side of each home page. It makes me glad to see that people are enjoying what is available and are using the sites. At 8:00 A.M. this morning as I finished up a full night of uploading images to the Montgomery site and doing additional coding, I found that not only was I on the site, but an additional 12 others were at the same time. People have time to surf freely offered sites done by small groups or individuals for their love of history and yet none can take three or four minutes to send a simple thank you. Let alone volunteer a smidgen of their time to the site! It truly is a sad day in Muddville! 'Nuff said! I know somewhat the tribulations of a moderator's existence. Thank you Mr. Shuman for all that you have done over the years for the Brethren List. Also, a thank you for the moderators, past and present, of the Montgomery county, Ohio and Bedford county, Pennsylvania list servers is in order. Now on to happier tidings in Muddville. In the past several weeks I have been able to upload to the Montgomery county, Ohio site 363 fully indexed pages of the marriages from 1803 to 1837, Dockets A-1 and B-1. I have also uploaded to the same site the estate papers, some color some not, of the following individuals: Henry Moyer (d. 1804), Josiah Smith (d. 1805), Philemon Plummer (d. 1807), Joseph Blickenstaff (d. 1818), John Murray (d. 1820), Henry Hart (d. 1820), Mary 'Ulrich' Puterbaugh (d. 1842), George Swank (d. 1844), George Shank (d. 1871). Additionally I uploaded the guardianship of the heirs of John Murray (d. 1820). All-in-all this was ten sets of estate and guardianship papers totaling in excess of 440 items. It is all there but presently locked out until at such time as I can teach myself the intricacies of coding membership modules. I will be uploading from my other hundred or so estates and guardianships over the next several weeks to better flesh out the online collection. I must admit that it was intriguing seeing Internet "pings" on the estate and guardianship section of the site. I had to chuckle knowing that there was material not yet available to view. <g> The first item of each online set is viewable without a membership and people continue to think that because it is on the Internet that it is there for the taking. Please enjoy the marriage index for Docket A-2 which is almost indexed completely. There is only one letter remaining, R, and that should be available within the next three or four days. Mr. Jesse Davis has graciously donated his time and efforts and has aided greatly in bringing this aspect of the Montgomery county, Ohio site, the index to Docket A-2, to fruition for your enjoyment. He and I have worked well together and I am sorry to say that he must needs move on to other things. Thank you Mr. Davis and your assistance as the only person who stepped up to the plate will be sorely missed. If there is anything from my bag of tricks you would like please feel to ask as I always take care of those who assist me. Honor does still exist on the Internet. This marriage index can be viewed by visiting http://montgomery.brethrenarchives.com/index.php?option=com_content <http://montgomery.brethrenarchives.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=se ction&id=6&Itemid=54> &view=section&id=6&Itemid=54. And yet somehow I have found the time to continue the research and coding of a site dedicated to the various ministers and congregations of the German Baptist Brethren church thru the splits. There is far more now known than was previously known about the majority of the ministers and some interesting facts have come to light regarding the splinter groups and the congregations. It is a lot of work but is actually enjoyable being aware that, for a time, you are the only one who knows. It makes the work actually worth it. The last thing I have done in the past several weeks is to prepare a site for the Brethren Church Archives of Ashland, Ohio. The archivist, Mr. David Roepke, has been desirous of a properly set up site for some time now and I graciously offered my assistance. We have a little test vehicle up and running for him to learn on and in the near future we will be working to load to it a selection of his material. In the future we hope to post audio and video tapes after they have been prepared as well the catalog collections of the archives. I am glad to share in my expertise, such as it is, and hope that others will see value to the site. More anon. This latest Offering took me the better part of all day and was intriguing. It established one Brethren church some 70 years before it was supposedly established in 1967 and shed more light on a lesser known minister. Interesting little article too! You can view the latest Brethren Newspaper Offering by visiting http://offering.brethrenarchives.com/index.php?option=com_content <http://offering.brethrenarchives.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=arti cle&id=628:the-brethren-evengelist-offering-106&catid=38:2011&Itemid=57> &view=article&id=628:the-brethren-evengelist-offering-106&catid=38:2011&Item id=57. Enjoy them while they last. And fifty-one years ago was a special day in Muddville. With Brethren Love, A. 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Debbie, In terms of published records and histories, "Fröniga Graff" was baptized on 15 April 1750 (Martin Grove Brumbaugh, 1899, p. 311); "Freny Groff" was baptized in 1750 (Christian Bomberger's List from the Brethren Archives, Elgin Illinois). It's the same person, just a different spelling of her name. She is, as you say, generally known as Fronica. A young person could have been baptized when he or she was sufficiently mature and ready to be baptized. No one knows when she was born, but I would guess that she was probably about 18 or 20 or so when she was baptized. If it is true that Maria Kauffman was born as you say, then obviously Maria was not Fronica's mother. No one knows the first wife of Jacob Graff. In fact we cannot "prove" that Jacob Graff was Fronica's father. I have hypothesized that he was her father because he belonged to the Ephrata Society and she apparently was an "Ephrataite" judging from the narrative on page 311 of Brumbaugh. More importantly, she was married to Peter Eichenberg when Peter Eichenberg was named as an executor of Jacob Graff's will. It was not uncommon to name a son-in-law as an executor, especially one like Eichenberg who was an elder in the church when Jacob Graff died. Now, as for WorldConnect databases, they are only as good as the persons compiling them and the amount and degree of documentation provided to back them up. In my opinion, the vast majority of databases on WorldConnect are full of errors, false information, and devoid of documentation. Beware of them if you go this route. The Graff databases are especially dubious. As far as Maria Kauffman is concerned, no one knows when she was born, but if I were to make a guess, it would be that she was not Fronica's mother. As for Jacob Graff Jr., I would guess that he was about the same age as Fronica and that Maria was not his mother either. All of this is pure guess work on my part. Sorry that I cannot be more helpful. Dwayne Wrightsman -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 9:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BRE] Fronica Graff, d/o Jacob Graff Sr. Fronica Graff (or Froniga, with an umlaut, in the record) was baptized on 15 Apr 1750 in the Conestoga church. She married Peter Eichenberg about 1758. My question is: how old would a young woman need to be at that point in time, to be baptized prior to marriage? My dilemma is which of Jacob's marriages to place Fronica in. There are several World Connect databases that say Jacob's second wife Maria Kauffman was born about 1727 or 1728. If these dates are true, or even close, that does not leave enough time for Maria to have Fronica who was baptized in 1750. Dwight says that Jacob Graff was married to Maria before June 1743, when they sold land and both signed. At first I thought Fronica was a daughter of Maria, but by examining this I believe she must belong in his first marriage, to an unknown woman. Dwight, what are your thoughts on this, and which marriage do you think your Jacob Grove belongs in? Debby ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Evening Fellow List Members, A little misadventure with the various sites I maintain first, and then on to other things. I have successfully logged on to the Brethren Almanacs web site a number of people in the past month. None of them took the time to read the log in e-mail sent to them and follow the directions within it. In essence it asks that the recipient send a reply to the e-mail denoting their success in logging in so that it is known they were successful. Common courtesy seems to be lacking and I suspect that a thank you for all the hard work that went into the site, or other sites, would have definitely been too difficult. Along the same lines it has been duly noted that as of this evening there have been 1,694 visits to the Brethren Newspapers Offering site. An additional 2,200 visits have been made to the Montgomery county, Ohio web site. On each site this number is viewable at the bottom side of each home page. It makes me glad to see that people are enjoying what is available and are using the sites. At 8:00 A.M. this morning as I finished up a full night of uploading images to the Montgomery site and doing additional coding, I found that not only was I on the site, but an additional 12 others were at the same time. People have time to surf freely offered sites done by small groups or individuals for their love of history and yet none can take three or four minutes to send a simple thank you. Let alone volunteer a smidgen of their time to the site! It truly is a sad day in Muddville! 'Nuff said! I know somewhat the tribulations of a moderator's existence. Thank you Mr. Shuman for all that you have done over the years for the Brethren List. Also, a thank you for the moderators, past and present, of the Montgomery county, Ohio and Bedford county, Pennsylvania list servers is in order. Now on to happier tidings in Muddville. In the past several weeks I have been able to upload to the Montgomery county, Ohio site 363 fully indexed pages of the marriages from 1803 to 1837, Dockets A-1 and B-1. I have also uploaded to the same site the estate papers, some color some not, of the following individuals: Henry Moyer (d. 1804), Josiah Smith (d. 1805), Philemon Plummer (d. 1807), Joseph Blickenstaff (d. 1818), John Murray (d. 1820), Henry Hart (d. 1820), Mary 'Ulrich' Puterbaugh (d. 1842), George Swank (d. 1844), George Shank (d. 1871). Additionally I uploaded the guardianship of the heirs of John Murray (d. 1820). All-in-all this was ten sets of estate and guardianship papers totaling in excess of 440 items. It is all there but presently locked out until at such time as I can teach myself the intricacies of coding membership modules. I will be uploading from my other hundred or so estates and guardianships over the next several weeks to better flesh out the online collection. I must admit that it was intriguing seeing Internet "pings" on the estate and guardianship section of the site. I had to chuckle knowing that there was material not yet available to view. <g> The first item of each online set is viewable without a membership and people continue to think that because it is on the Internet that it is there for the taking. Please enjoy the marriage index for Docket A-2 which is almost indexed completely. There is only one letter remaining, R, and that should be available within the next three or four days. Mr. Jesse Davis has graciously donated his time and efforts and has aided greatly in bringing this aspect of the Montgomery county, Ohio site, the index to Docket A-2, to fruition for your enjoyment. He and I have worked well together and I am sorry to say that he must needs move on to other things. Thank you Mr. Davis and your assistance as the only person who stepped up to the plate will be sorely missed. If there is anything from my bag of tricks you would like please feel to ask as I always take care of those who assist me. Honor does still exist on the Internet. This marriage index can be viewed by visiting http://montgomery.brethrenarchives.com/index.php?option=com_content <http://montgomery.brethrenarchives.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=se ction&id=6&Itemid=54> &view=section&id=6&Itemid=54. And yet somehow I have found the time to continue the research and coding of a site dedicated to the various ministers and congregations of the German Baptist Brethren church thru the splits. There is far more now known than was previously known about the majority of the ministers and some interesting facts have come to light regarding the splinter groups and the congregations. It is a lot of work but is actually enjoyable being aware that, for a time, you are the only one who knows. It makes the work actually worth it. The last thing I have done in the past several weeks is to prepare a site for the Brethren Church Archives of Ashland, Ohio. The archivist, Mr. David Roepke, has been desirous of a properly set up site for some time now and I graciously offered my assistance. We have a little test vehicle up and running for him to learn on and in the near future we will be working to load to it a selection of his material. In the future we hope to post audio and video tapes after they have been prepared as well the catalog collections of the archives. I am glad to share in my expertise, such as it is, and hope that others will see value to the site. More anon. This latest Offering took me the better part of all day and was intriguing. It established one Brethren church some 70 years before it was supposedly established in 1967 and shed more light on a lesser known minister. Interesting little article too! You can view the latest Brethren Newspaper Offering by visiting http://offering.brethrenarchives.com/index.php?option=com_content <http://offering.brethrenarchives.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=arti cle&id=628:the-brethren-evengelist-offering-106&catid=38:2011&Itemid=57> &view=article&id=628:the-brethren-evengelist-offering-106&catid=38:2011&Item id=57. Enjoy them while they last. And fifty-one years ago was a special day in Muddville. With Brethren Love, A. Wayne Webb

Hi Art, Johann Michael Miller's son was clearly named Lodowich or Lodowick, not Ludwig, although the two names are very close. Are there any other hints at all on the naturalization records? Witnesses, ages, etc? Do you have both the application and the final papers which happened some years later? I am very interested in the answer to this question as well, as I descend from Philip Jacob Miller. I would be glad to share whatever I have, even though it's not a lot. Roberta Estes -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Art Miller Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 9:43 PM To: ZZ-Frederick Co., Md.; ZZ-Miller Roots; ZZ-Brethren Roots Subject: [Miller] Ludwig Miller natualizations I need some help in sorting out the naturalizations of certain Millers that took place in early Frederick Co., Md. One, was in 1747 for Lodowick MIller on the same day as a Jacob Miller. Could this have been the Ludowick Miller that was son of Michael Miller of nearby Washington Co., Md.? If so, would the Jacob Miller have been his brother Phillip Jacob Miller? Or, was this Jacob Miller the one who died 1762 in Frederick Co. with wife Mary and was brother of Abraham Miller (naturalized in 1740 and died 1754 at Lewistown) of Fishing Creek off Monocacy River? Also, there was a Lodowick Miller on the 1762-1770 tax lists in Antrim Twp. of now Franklin Co., Pa.--could he have been the one naturalized in 1747? Then there was a Ludwig Miller naturalized in 1762 as witnessed by Daniel Leatherman and Anthony Hartman all of whom were members of the Middle Creek Brethren Church. So far, I have not found any connections between Ludwig Miller and the Miller brothers Abraham, Jacob and Isaac of Frederick Co. Perhaps these naturalized Millers moved over the state line to York Co., Pa. There was a Ludwig Solomon Miller who was in Manheim Twp. 1752 through 1774. He was a German from Palatine. Then there was a Ludwig Miller and Henry Myers in Mount Joy Twp. 1779 through 1783/4, both of whom appear to have ended up in Manellen Twp. of Fayette Co., Pa. Would appreciate any insight into these Millers. Art Miller, Louisville ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/MILLER ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Fronica Graff (or Froniga, with an umlaut, in the record) was baptized on 15 Apr 1750 in the Conestoga church. She married Peter Eichenberg about 1758. My question is: how old would a young woman need to be at that point in time, to be baptized prior to marriage? My dilemma is which of Jacob's marriages to place Fronica in. There are several World Connect databases that say Jacob's second wife Maria Kauffman was born about 1727 or 1728. If these dates are true, or even close, that does not leave enough time for Maria to have Fronica who was baptized in 1750. Dwight says that Jacob Graff was married to Maria before June 1743, when they sold land and both signed. At first I thought Fronica was a daughter of Maria, but by examining this I believe she must belong in his first marriage, to an unknown woman. Dwight, what are your thoughts on this, and which marriage do you think your Jacob Grove belongs in? Debby

I need some help in sorting out the naturalizations of certain Millers that took place in early Frederick Co., Md. One, was in 1747 for Lodowick MIller on the same day as a Jacob Miller. Could this have been the Ludowick Miller that was son of Michael Miller of nearby Washington Co., Md.? If so, would the Jacob Miller have been his brother Phillip Jacob Miller? Or, was this Jacob Miller the one who died 1762 in Frederick Co. with wife Mary and was brother of Abraham Miller (naturalized in 1740 and died 1754 at Lewistown) of Fishing Creek off Monocacy River? Also, there was a Lodowick Miller on the 1762-1770 tax lists in Antrim Twp. of now Franklin Co., Pa.--could he have been the one naturalized in 1747? Then there was a Ludwig Miller naturalized in 1762 as witnessed by Daniel Leatherman and Anthony Hartman all of whom were members of the Middle Creek Brethren Church. So far, I have not found any connections between Ludwig Miller and the Miller brothers Abraham, Jacob and Isaac of Frederick Co. Perhaps these naturalized Millers moved over the state line to York Co., Pa. There was a Ludwig Solomon Miller who was in Manheim Twp. 1752 through 1774. He was a German from Palatine. Then there was a Ludwig Miller and Henry Myers in Mount Joy Twp. 1779 through 1783/4, both of whom appear to have ended up in Manellen Twp. of Fayette Co., Pa. Would appreciate any insight into these Millers. Art Miller, Louisville

Not everyone wrote nor did anyone submit a bio for ministers who did not submit one, per my discussion with the former Librarian at Elgin. (Boy was he a knowledgeable guy! Miss him!) The "Ministerial Record" is incomplete, mostly because the request for a bio was a voluntarily made record. Judy On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Dale Ratcliffe <[email protected] > wrote: > I obtained the "Ministerial Record" for David Gerdes at Elgin. He wrote > his > in 1931. > > Dale Ratcliffe

I obtained the "Ministerial Record" for David Gerdes at Elgin. He wrote his in 1931. Dale Ratcliffe -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of orwahist Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 9:22 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BRE] Biographical sketches of ministers The following article was placed in the 1913 Gospel Messenger by the editor of the newspaper. Does any one know if the Gospel Messenger still has the biographical sketches? Do they still exist. Could they have been place at the Brethren archives at Elgin? Dennis Roth Biographical Sketches We wish each minister in the Brotherhood, past fifty year of age, who has not already done so, would prepare and send to us a well-prepared sketch of his life and labors. Very few, if any of these sketches, need to exceeded 1,800 words. We have on fie, in our fireproof vault, considerable data of this class, but there are several hundred active minister form whom we have not yet heard. Furthermore, we would be please to receive sketches of all the minister, who, in the generations gone by, have figured prominently in the work of the church. We mean those not already mentioned in our premium book, or in any issue of the Brethren Almanac. We have use for this information, and it would be arranged and place in our hands without much delay. ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> The following article was placed in the 1913 Gospel Messenger by the editor of the newspaper. > Does any one know if the Gospel Messenger still has the biographical sketches? Do they still exist. > Could they have been place at the Brethren archives at Elgin? > > Dennis Roth > > Biographical Sketches > We wish each minister in the Brotherhood, past fifty year of age, who has not already done so, would prepare and send to us a well-prepared sketch of his life and labors. Very few, if any of these sketches, need to exceeded 1,800 words. We have on fie, in our fireproof vault, considerable data of this class, but there are several hundred active minister form whom we have not yet heard. Furthermore, we would be please to receive sketches of all the minister, who, in the generations gone by, have figured prominently in the work of the church. We mean those not already mentioned in our premium book, or in any issue of the Brethren Almanac. We have use for this information, and it would be arranged and place in our hands without much delay. > > > ------------------------ WOW - I wonder what happened to these - Are they at Elgin? Merle C Rummel

I am seriously interested in anything to do with the Great Swamp community. This is the first that I had ever heard of a meeting there as early as 1737. Is there a list of the attendees? Is there anything about the congregation itself? Where should I look for information??? John McLeod, with Schleiffer ancestors through my maternal grand-father. On 2/26/2011 4:38 AM, Merle C Rummel wrote: > > A connected movement was that of Elder George Adam Martin. He had > connections to Ephrata, but was somewhat separate. As I understand, he > never was IN the Ephrata Cloisters. He was a leading Pietist, as > opposed to the increasing Anabaptism of the Brethren Elders, probably > was Sabbatarian. He had frequent disagreements with the Brethren > Elders, they deemed him a serious problem. He was baptized in 1735 at > the Conawago Church (Ephrata locale), !!!!!!!!! > was at the 1737 Great Swamp > meeting with Conrad Biessel. !!!!!!!!! > as an Elder, he was sent by Elder Martin > Urner, to Zinzendorf's Moravian Synod, as a/the Brethren > Representative. In 1762 he was at the Bermudian Church. He helped > found the Snow Hill Nunnery on the Antietam (a Seventh Day extension of > Ephrata - only recently closed). In 1763 he and Elder Peter Miller went > to Brothers Valley (Cumberland Co - later Bedford [1771]/Somerset [1795] > PA). A migration of Brethren went there about that time (?followed him > there?). >

Just might be. I don't know but the place and time period are right. Bartholomew b: 1717 in Germany died 1792 Frederick Co. Married Margaret Comes(Coombs/Combs) The Bartholomew of which you speak was his son. HE married Susanna Walters on 18 Sep 1785. I haven't searched wills in Maryland so I couldn't tell you which Bartholomew witnessed the Bigler will. My husband comes from Bartholomew's (1717) son John Booher who married Elizabeth Crull. I have little on the family of Bartholomew and Susanna save that names of children and that his will was probated 22 Mar 1830 Bedford Co Pennsylvania. Nothing on the children's marriages. John Booher had a sister named Hannah, but she married Jacob Crull, brother to Elizabeth. John and Elizabeth Crull Booher had a daughter Hannah b: 1816 who married John Phillip Clutter. I have no other Hannah's in my information. My husband Larry traces Larry son of, Lawrence L. son of, Jesse Marion, son of, Levi B. son of, Bartholomew son of, John son of , Bartholomew b. 1717 Germany or Switzerland Sorry, but this is certainly interesting Mary Ann -------------------------------------------------- From: "N. H. Goodman" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 6:28 PM To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BRE] Hannah Booher/Booker > Mary Ann; > > Is your Bartholomew Booher/Booker the same person as Bartel (nick name for > Bertholomew) Booker who was one of the witnesses of the will of Michael > Bigler (Marx' brother) in Frederick County, Maryland on Sept. 21, 1763? > > Cathryn Adams has more information than I do on Bartholomew, son of > Bartholomew, son of Balgas. Would that be your line? > > N. H. Goodman > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Mary Ann Booher > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 9:35 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [BRE] Hannah Booher/Booker > > Thank you! Now I understand why I couldn't place her. She is of another > Booher/Booker Group. > Not likely a desc. of Bartholomew. Thanks, I will keep this in the "other > file". Please pass on my Thank you to Ms Adams > > Mary Ann > > > ------------------------ Search the Archives > at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further > information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The following article was placed in the 1913 Gospel Messenger by the editor of the newspaper. Does any one know if the Gospel Messenger still has the biographical sketches? Do they still exist. Could they have been place at the Brethren archives at Elgin? Dennis Roth Biographical Sketches We wish each minister in the Brotherhood, past fifty year of age, who has not already done so, would prepare and send to us a well-prepared sketch of his life and labors. Very few, if any of these sketches, need to exceeded 1,800 words. We have on fie, in our fireproof vault, considerable data of this class, but there are several hundred active minister form whom we have not yet heard. Furthermore, we would be please to receive sketches of all the minister, who, in the generations gone by, have figured prominently in the work of the church. We mean those not already mentioned in our premium book, or in any issue of the Brethren Almanac. We have use for this information, and it would be arranged and place in our hands without much delay.

Mary Ann; Is your Bartholomew Booher/Booker the same person as Bartel (nick name for Bertholomew) Booker who was one of the witnesses of the will of Michael Bigler (Marx' brother) in Frederick County, Maryland on Sept. 21, 1763? Cathryn Adams has more information than I do on Bartholomew, son of Bartholomew, son of Balgas. Would that be your line? N. H. Goodman -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mary Ann Booher Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 9:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [BRE] Hannah Booher/Booker Thank you! Now I understand why I couldn't place her. She is of another Booher/Booker Group. Not likely a desc. of Bartholomew. Thanks, I will keep this in the "other file". Please pass on my Thank you to Ms Adams Mary Ann ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Being on the tax lists doesn't correlate to residency. It only means you owned property. A number of the names on the Bedford County list owned property but were not residents (some were land speculators like Benjamin Chew). Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Suzy Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names? Thank for your answers, Bill, N. H. and Gale. I have perused the listings on the COB site, and the other lists, but am still combing through the Ephrata book which I had never seen before. I only have a small window of perhaps 8 years: 1768-1776 the time when ha was a semi-adult (probably on his own, but it's not certain) but before he was present and accounted for in Somerset Co (Bedford at the time). The only thing I really have is that his wife was in or near Carlisle in 1779 when his son John was born. (Jacob is in Somerset as early as 1776 when he was on a tax list, so I am not sure how that happened.) I know other Schmucker researchers have combed though things long before this, but I keep hoping his name will magically appear. ;) Thaks of rht e replies, though. It's very interesting. Suzy Smucker Wert Indianapolis -----Original Message----- From: gale honeyman <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:40 pm Subject: Re: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names? The URL for the Church of the Brethren network containing Brethren history and genealogy is http://www.cob-net.org/genchurch.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Thomas" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names? > Susy: > > There is the Ephrata Death Register on the COB website. You can also > download the Chronicon Ephratense (a detailed history on the cloister). I > believe the book Pennsylvania Vital Statistics also includes Ephrata > records. > > Bill Thomas ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 2/25/2011 11:26 PM, Suzy wrote: > Thank for your answers, Bill, N. H. and Gale. I have perused the listings on the COB site, and the other lists, but am still combing through the Ephrata book which I had never seen before. > > I only have a small window of perhaps 8 years: 1768-1776 the time when ha was a semi-adult (probably on his own, but it's not certain) but before he was present and accounted for in Somerset Co (Bedford at the time). The only thing I really have is that his wife was in or near Carlisle in 1779 when his son John was born. (Jacob is in Somerset as early as 1776 when he was on a tax list, so I am not sure how that happened.) I know other Schmucker researchers have combed though things long before this, but I keep hoping his name will magically appear. ;) > > Thaks of rht e replies, though. It's very interesting. > > Suzy Smucker Wert > Indianapolis One other complication - The Chronicon normally does not use use actual names, the person would choose or be given a religious name - seemingly far different from their actual name. I'd have to check - but as I remember, Alexander Mack Jr was called "Brother Timotheus" A connected movement was that of Elder George Adam Martin. He had connections to Ephrata, but was somewhat separate. As I understand, he never was IN the Ephrata Cloisters. He was a leading Pietist, as opposed to the increasing Anabaptism of the Brethren Elders, probably was Sabbatarian. He had frequent disagreements with the Brethren Elders, they deemed him a serious problem. He was baptized in 1735 at the Conawago Church (Ephrata locale), was at the 1737 Great Swamp meeting with Conrad Biessel. as an Elder, he was sent by Elder Martin Urner, to Zinzendorf's Moravian Synod, as a/the Brethren Representative. In 1762 he was at the Bermudian Church. He helped found the Snow Hill Nunnery on the Antietam (a Seventh Day extension of Ephrata - only recently closed). In 1763 he and Elder Peter Miller went to Brothers Valley (Cumberland Co - later Bedford [1771]/Somerset [1795] PA). A migration of Brethren went there about that time (?followed him there?). I've only peripherally followed your correspondence - but have you checked Austin Cooper's 2 Centuries in Brohers Valley? - I do not have a name indexed copy (one of Austin's first printing). Merle C Rummel

Thank for your answers, Bill, N. H. and Gale. I have perused the listings on the COB site, and the other lists, but am still combing through the Ephrata book which I had never seen before. I only have a small window of perhaps 8 years: 1768-1776 the time when ha was a semi-adult (probably on his own, but it's not certain) but before he was present and accounted for in Somerset Co (Bedford at the time). The only thing I really have is that his wife was in or near Carlisle in 1779 when his son John was born. (Jacob is in Somerset as early as 1776 when he was on a tax list, so I am not sure how that happened.) I know other Schmucker researchers have combed though things long before this, but I keep hoping his name will magically appear. ;) Thaks of rht e replies, though. It's very interesting. Suzy Smucker Wert Indianapolis -----Original Message----- From: gale honeyman <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:40 pm Subject: Re: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names? The URL for the Church of the Brethren network containing Brethren history and genealogy is http://www.cob-net.org/genchurch.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Thomas" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names? > Susy: > > There is the Ephrata Death Register on the COB website. You can also > download the Chronicon Ephratense (a detailed history on the cloister). I > believe the book Pennsylvania Vital Statistics also includes Ephrata > records. > > Bill Thomas ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you! Now I understand why I couldn't place her. She is of another Booher/Booker Group. Not likely a desc. of Bartholomew. Thanks, I will keep this in the "other file". Please pass on my Thank you to Ms Adams Mary Ann

Now I understand why I couldn't place her. She is of another Booher/Booker Group. Not likely a desc. of Batholomew. Thanks, I will keep this in the "other file". Please pass on my Thank you to Ms Adams Mary Ann -------------------------------------------------- From: "N. H. Goodman" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 5:33 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [BRE] Bigler at Little Conewago - FW: Hannah Booher or Booker > Mary Ann, here is the response I received from Cathryn Adams regarding > your > question about Hannah Booher's ancestry. (Hannah Booher married Marx > Bigler's son Jacob) As she mentions in her response, she has been > researching the Booher, Booker, Bucher, Bougher, etc. lines for 25 years. > > N. H. Goodman > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 6:58 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Hannah Booher or Booker > > > > It is believed that Hannah came to Mongolia county (later became Harrison > County, West Virginia) about 1782 with a brother named Henry, and a > widowed > sister, Barbara Hutchinson. A Henry Booher constantly appears in Harrison > County records near her husband, Jacob Bigler. This BROTHER married > Catherine Koone, NOT HER FATHER. > Note that the name Hannah is rare in German records. Hannah Booher Bigler > was said to be of German AND WELSH origon. She was described in a Bigler > family history as being tall, slender, red-haired, intelligent, and > industrious. > My research tells me (25 years of it) that she is the HANNAH BUCHER that > was > born 29 June 1760 and christened 13 Sep 1760 by the traveling preacher of > the German Reformed Church.of Tohikon, Bucks, Pennsylvania. I believe > that > her brother, HENRY BUCHER, was married after he moved to Harrison County > West Virginia as there were many Koone families that had been there for > some > time. This Henry's will was written 30 Jan 1839 in Harrison, West > Virginial It was proved on Feb 15, 1841 and on Mar 15, 1841. It can be > found on GS microfilm 847,082. According to the will Henry's daughters > Barbary, Sarah and Elizabeth each married men by the surname of Pile. > Daughter Katherine married a Baker. No Hannah. > > Hannah Booher (Bucher)'s parents were actually Henry Bucher born about1734 > who married a Hannah born about 1735 and whose family was baptized by the > traveling preacher. > > > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: "N. H. Goodman" <[email protected]> > To: "Cathryn E. Adams" <[email protected]> > Subject: Hannah Booher or Booker > Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 21:29:57 -0700 > > Hi Cathryn! > > I have been working on our lines in Little Conewago, York, Pennsylvania, > where the Biglers lived before they moved to Maryland. I don't know when > they became members of the Church of the Brethren, aka German Baptist > Brethren. The Church of the Brethren (COB) have a very active mailing list > at [email protected] as well as the "Fellowship of Brethren > Genealogists", which I have recently joined. I have had so much fun > meeting > lots of our distant cousins on the mailing list! I had mentioned Jacob > Bigler and Hannah Booher, and I received the following from a member of > the > list: > >> Hello >> >> Do you know the lineage of Hannah Booher that you mentioned? >> I'm unable to place her. Dates. Places etc> >> >> Thank you >> >> Mary Ann Booher >> > > Since I was on my way out of town for almost a week, I forwarded her > letter > to you. Did you receive it alright? I really don't know how to answer her, > since there seems to be several Booher or Booker persons who are thought > to > be Hanna's father, grandfather or brother. Have you been able to untangle > those relationships yet? I am sure there are other cousins on the list who > are interested in that information also - myself included! > > I am not sure if you can reply directly to the list without joining the > list > - which of course you can do if you wish, or you can write to me and I > will > forward it to the list. > > Hope to hear from you on this matter soon! > Also hope you are making great progress in your research on this line. > > Norma > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email with Video Mail > <http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210> & Video Chat! > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The URL for the Church of the Brethren network containing Brethren history and genealogy is http://www.cob-net.org/genchurch.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Thomas" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names? > Susy: > > There is the Ephrata Death Register on the COB website. You can also > download the Chronicon Ephratense (a detailed history on the cloister). I > believe the book Pennsylvania Vital Statistics also includes Ephrata > records. > > Bill Thomas

Thank you so much for the information on the online parish records of Bas-Rhin!!! Also for the details on how to access them. They are so well digitized and easy to use! I will use them a lot. With my limited French it appears that the notary records have not yet been digitized and posted online. When I was there the LDS church had microfilmed the parish records and you could only access them on those microfilms, even at the archives - thus helping to preserve the original books. At that time the notary records had not been filmed, and I was privileged to be able to use the original books. What a great thing it would be if they too could be made available online! They are so full of information. Thanks again, N. H. Goodman -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of NCripe Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 9:47 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] BRETHREN Digest, Vol 6, Issue 54 For N. H. Goodman and all of you on this list who may be researching ancestors from northern Alsace, the cumbersome access to original parish records at the Archives of the Bas-Rhin in Strasbourg, France has been remedied, as they are now available online (as of July 2010). You can access them thus: Go to www.bas-rhin.fr/accueil. This is the official website for the Bas-Rhin department of Alsace. On this welcome page, there will be a drop down menu in the middle of the page titled "Services" with the word "sélectionner" in the box.