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    1. Re: [BRE] Why Mrs. Schmucker wasn't in Somerset County
    2. William Thomas

    3. Suzy: The Historical Society of Somerset County re-published the journal of Harmon Husband a few years ago. The Journal talks about Indian uprisings in Somerset County beginning in 1778. It talks about the 250 militia from York, Cumberland and Lancaster County were called up in 1779 to defend Westmoreland and Bedford Counties. It also includes a July 4, 1779 letter from a resident of the town of Bedford, stating the county was pointed toward destruction, and mentions Girty. It has several Girty stories as well. The History of Bedford & Somerset Counties has a February 16, 1779 letter from the Bedford commissioners, noting that for the last 18 months they had been dealing with Indian uprisings, and that many of the settlers, didn't grow or harvest crops resulting in food shortages, and that many had already left the county. The History goes on to talk about an evacuation that occurred in 1782, after Girty burned Hannastown (outside Greensburg, PA). It states the settlers (including Husband) evacuated to Conococheague (Hagerstown Maryland area), as well as Cumberland and York Counties. It goes onto describe the local forts, noting that they were only occupied by a few militia and rangers, had only minimal provisions, and no money to buy additional supplies. Fort Bedford was the nearest fort, but built in the French & Indian War, and was likely in poor shape at this time. The only option was to move to a place that had food, and was safe from the Indians (who the British were encouraging to attack settlers). I just happened to see Simon Girty on television the other day. He was in an old classic "The Devil and Daniel Webster." Girty was one of the Juror's selected by Satan. Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Suzy Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 11:48 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] Why Mrs. Schmucker wasn't in Somerset County Wow! Wow! WOW! I hadn't thought of this, and I know nothing about it. That book of Bedford & Somerset Cos said they went to special Forts that were way closer. I Googled Simon Girty and/or Indian uprisings with not a whole lot of luck, but then I changed the search to find these books which can be read online: Frontier advance on the upper Ohio, 1778-1779 by Louise Phelps Kellogg d 1942 Pitt The massacre of Wyoming. The acts of Congress for the defense of the Wyoming Valley, Pennsylvania, 1776-1778: with the petitions of the sufferers by the massacre of July 3, 1778, for congressional aid by Wyoming Historical and Geological Society United States. Continental Congress Hayden, Horace Edwin, 1837-1917 Wilkes-Barre, Pa., Printed for the Society, 1895 OpL I'm getting there...they are on the top of the short list of things to do. Bill, I can't thank you enough for not only this, but your general conversation on the list these past couple of months. Suzy -----Original Message----- From: William Thomas <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:23 pm Subject: Re: [BRE] Why Mrs. Schmucker wasn't in Somerset County Suzy: A light just went off in my brain. I think I now why Jacob Schmucker's wife had her baby in Carlisle in 1779. Many of the residents of then Bedford County left the area between 1778 & 1779 due to Indian uprisings. Carlisle was the evacuation point for many of the refugee's. They were escaping the infamous Simon Girty and his Indian warriors. Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Suzy Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names?...tax list Yes, Bill, I know, not necessarily, but some 20 year old kid wasn't in a position to speculate like Benj Chew and others. Plus, he didn't outright own the property, not then anyway, if I'm reading my history books the right way. I think he got the property though some legislation that happened in 1792. Squatter's Rights is what I call it, but Tomahawk Claim is what they euphemistically call it in the books. This is totally off the subject of the list, but my current theory -- and I say that without really knowing how it all worked -- is that Jacob Schmucker, and possibly others, thought he'd better hightail it to Cumberland/Bedford Co to get his claim in before the land was all gone, but then he couldn't leave it for fear somebody would come along and take it. ?? That's the only thing I can think of because I doubt he had a place in the hills to spend the summer ala Geo Bush to Kennebunkport. :) My guess is Jacob's wife didn't join him until after the birth of their s! on in 1779, although she might have originally been there, and then left again, temporarily, to have her baby in civilization - I know that's what I would do!!! Really, I am just trying to make sense of the clues I've been given which amounts to his grandson, John Schmucker Jr's, hand written history as it appeared in a mug biography of his great grandson, G.F. Schmucker. I just can't see him laying claim and leaving his property, but then maybe my idea of what was going on back then with regard to land claims isn't quite right. I would love to hear how it worked when somebody laid their claim (or at least paid taxes) in 1776 but didn't purchase it until 1792. Suzy -----Original Message----- From: William Thomas <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, Feb 26, 2011 2:29 pm Subject: Re: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names?...tax list Being on the tax lists doesn't correlate to residency. It only means you owned property. A number of the names on the Bedford County list owned property but were not residents (some were land speculators like Benjamin Chew). Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Suzy Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names? Thank for your answers, Bill, N. H. and Gale. I have perused the listings on the COB site, and the other lists, but am still combing through the Ephrata book which I had never seen before. I only have a small window of perhaps 8 years: 1768-1776 the time when ha was a semi-adult (probably on his own, but it's not certain) but before he was present and accounted for in Somerset Co (Bedford at the time). The only thing I really have is that his wife was in or near Carlisle in 1779 when his son John was born. (Jacob is in Somerset as early as 1776 when he was on a tax list, so I am not sure how that happened.) I know other Schmucker researchers have combed though things long before this, but I keep hoping his name will magically appear. ;) Thaks of rht e replies, though. It's very interesting. Suzy Smucker Wert Indianapolis -----Original Message----- From: gale honeyman <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:40 pm Subject: Re: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names? The URL for the Church of the Brethren network containing Brethren history and genealogy is http://www.cob-net.org/genchurch.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Thomas" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names? > Susy: > > There is the Ephrata Death Register on the COB website. You can also > download the Chronicon Ephratense (a detailed history on the cloister). I > believe the book Pennsylvania Vital Statistics also includes Ephrata > records. > > Bill Thomas ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/02/2011 06:32:56
    1. Re: [BRE] Freeman Ankrum's book on Alexander Mack and his descendants
    2. Maxine Driscoll

    3. You might be interested in this site http://mock.rootsweb.ancestry.com/Chart00.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Allen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 12:21 PM Subject: [BRE] Freeman Ankrum's book on Alexander Mack and his descendants Wayne or anyone else: One group of people I am studying in Ohio were also from Morrison's Cove, but they didn't settled in Montgomery Co. in Ohio. They were the Longeneckers, descended on their mother's side from Alexander Mack. Do you know if the Alexander Mack genealogy is on-line anywhere? They are suppose to have been written up on the following pages. 1. Alexander Mack: the Tunker, and descendants Freeman Ankrum- 1943 - 352 pages - I need pp 67 to 70, on the Longeneckers. I've found out that Daniel and Sarah (Mack) Longenecker purchased numerous parcels of land in various counties in Ohio, that they likely rented out to other relatives and Brethren people. They lived in both Stark Co. and Columbiana Co., but I've only found them in census records in Salem, Columbiana Co. Richard [email protected] ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/02/2011 05:41:20
    1. [BRE] Freeman Ankrum's book on Alexander Mack and his descendants
    2. Richard Allen

    3. Wayne or anyone else: One group of people I am studying in Ohio were also from Morrison's Cove, but they didn't settled in Montgomery Co.  in Ohio.  They were the Longeneckers, descended on their mother's side from Alexander Mack.  Do you know if the Alexander Mack genealogy is on-line anywhere?  They are suppose to have been written up on the following pages. 1.      Alexander Mack: the Tunker, and descendants   Freeman Ankrum- 1943 - 352 pages - I need pp 67 to 70, on the Longeneckers. I've found out that Daniel and Sarah (Mack) Longenecker purchased numerous parcels of land in various counties in Ohio, that they likely rented out to other relatives and Brethren people. They lived in both Stark Co. and Columbiana Co., but I've only found them in census records in Salem, Columbiana Co. Richard [email protected]

    03/02/2011 05:21:00
    1. Re: [BRE] Why Mrs. Schmucker wasn't in Somerset County
    2. Suzy

    3. Wow! Wow! WOW! I hadn't thought of this, and I know nothing about it. That book of Bedford & Somerset Cos said they went to special Forts that were way closer. I Googled Simon Girty and/or Indian uprisings with not a whole lot of luck, but then I changed the search to find these books which can be read online: Frontier advance on the upper Ohio, 1778-1779 by Louise Phelps Kellogg d 1942 Pitt The massacre of Wyoming. The acts of Congress for the defense of the Wyoming Valley, Pennsylvania, 1776-1778: with the petitions of the sufferers by the massacre of July 3, 1778, for congressional aid by Wyoming Historical and Geological Society United States. Continental Congress Hayden, Horace Edwin, 1837-1917 Wilkes-Barre, Pa., Printed for the Society, 1895 OpL I'm getting there...they are on the top of the short list of things to do. Bill, I can't thank you enough for not only this, but your general conversation on the list these past couple of months. Suzy -----Original Message----- From: William Thomas <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, Mar 1, 2011 4:23 pm Subject: Re: [BRE] Why Mrs. Schmucker wasn't in Somerset County Suzy: A light just went off in my brain. I think I now why Jacob Schmucker's wife had her baby in Carlisle in 1779. Many of the residents of then Bedford County left the area between 1778 & 1779 due to Indian uprisings. Carlisle was the evacuation point for many of the refugee's. They were escaping the infamous Simon Girty and his Indian warriors. Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Suzy Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names?...tax list Yes, Bill, I know, not necessarily, but some 20 year old kid wasn't in a position to speculate like Benj Chew and others. Plus, he didn't outright own the property, not then anyway, if I'm reading my history books the right way. I think he got the property though some legislation that happened in 1792. Squatter's Rights is what I call it, but Tomahawk Claim is what they euphemistically call it in the books. This is totally off the subject of the list, but my current theory -- and I say that without really knowing how it all worked -- is that Jacob Schmucker, and possibly others, thought he'd better hightail it to Cumberland/Bedford Co to get his claim in before the land was all gone, but then he couldn't leave it for fear somebody would come along and take it. ?? That's the only thing I can think of because I doubt he had a place in the hills to spend the summer ala Geo Bush to Kennebunkport. :) My guess is Jacob's wife didn't join him until after the birth of their s! on in 1779, although she might have originally been there, and then left again, temporarily, to have her baby in civilization - I know that's what I would do!!! Really, I am just trying to make sense of the clues I've been given which amounts to his grandson, John Schmucker Jr's, hand written history as it appeared in a mug biography of his great grandson, G.F. Schmucker. I just can't see him laying claim and leaving his property, but then maybe my idea of what was going on back then with regard to land claims isn't quite right. I would love to hear how it worked when somebody laid their claim (or at least paid taxes) in 1776 but didn't purchase it until 1792. Suzy -----Original Message----- From: William Thomas <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, Feb 26, 2011 2:29 pm Subject: Re: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names?...tax list Being on the tax lists doesn't correlate to residency. It only means you owned property. A number of the names on the Bedford County list owned property but were not residents (some were land speculators like Benjamin Chew). Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Suzy Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names? Thank for your answers, Bill, N. H. and Gale. I have perused the listings on the COB site, and the other lists, but am still combing through the Ephrata book which I had never seen before. I only have a small window of perhaps 8 years: 1768-1776 the time when ha was a semi-adult (probably on his own, but it's not certain) but before he was present and accounted for in Somerset Co (Bedford at the time). The only thing I really have is that his wife was in or near Carlisle in 1779 when his son John was born. (Jacob is in Somerset as early as 1776 when he was on a tax list, so I am not sure how that happened.) I know other Schmucker researchers have combed though things long before this, but I keep hoping his name will magically appear. ;) Thaks of rht e replies, though. It's very interesting. Suzy Smucker Wert Indianapolis -----Original Message----- From: gale honeyman <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:40 pm Subject: Re: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names? The URL for the Church of the Brethren network containing Brethren history and genealogy is http://www.cob-net.org/genchurch.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Thomas" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names? > Susy: > > There is the Ephrata Death Register on the COB website. You can also > download the Chronicon Ephratense (a detailed history on the cloister). I > believe the book Pennsylvania Vital Statistics also includes Ephrata > records. > > Bill Thomas ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/02/2011 04:48:18
    1. Re: [BRE] Bowman/Graff/Ephrata
    2. William Thomas

    3. Thanks for the info. Only thing I might dispute is the death date, since there is a series of Orphan Court records on John Bowman estates, which begin on 6/3/1755 and go through 9/1761. The first in 1755 has the Neff & Carver guardians, but just lists two minor children (who have the same names in later records). The Christian Carver that was German Baptist sold property in Warwick Township in 1768, which is close to Ephrata. Henry Neff may be the Minister who later lived in York County. One record in 1756 is definitely a different John with different children and a different spouse. I should add that one of the survey maps of his father's property in Strasburg (warranted in 1727), makes note of it being in his son John's possession (survey was after 1738). If the 1755 John is indeed a different John Bowman, who does he descend from, since the 1761 John includes a living son John in the records? Casper Bowman had a son John who was to pay his estate in a 1761 record, but is later listed as dead in a 1763 record, so he is not Casper's son. A John is found near Henry in Lebanon Township after this. Jacob doesn't list a son John in his will, and he died in 1753. The John of 1755 is most likely the John of Ephrata, so he lived in the area. So if the John of 1755 isn't the John of 1761, who is he? Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dwayne Wrightsman Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 9:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] Bowman/Graff/Ephrata Bill, Below is Richard Warren Davis's account of the Hans Bowman family who emigrated in 1717. The account is just a piece of Davis's larger account of the Bowman families. The piece seems to jibe with the description of the family that you sent earlier today. 1122. Johannes Bowman, b. c1668. He died at Strasburg Township, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania on 10 Jan 1738. He was a Mennonite minister. He arrived in Pennsylvania in 1717. He was married to Barbara. 11221. Jacob Bowman, b. c1693. Taxed 1719 and 1720 next to his father at Conestoga Township. He was probably the Jacob Bowman who died in 1753 at Earl Township, Lancaster County. He wrote his will in 1743 and it was proved in 1753. He warranted 150 acres in Earl Township on Conestoga Creek on 28 Nov 1738. He married in about 1713, Barbara Bär (d. 1760), sister of Samuel Bear of Cocalico Township. Barbara's family came from Adelshofen, Germany (near Richen and Ittlingen). 112211. Samuel Bowman, b. c1714. d. 1782, Earl Township. He was a Mennonite. He was taxed at Earl Township in 1750 and 1769 and 1770. He married Veronica Martin, daughter of Christian Martin. He was taxed at Earl in 1750, 1769 and 1770. 1122111. Elizabeth Bowman, b. 1736. d. By 5 Mar 1784, Donegal Township. She was baptized on 12 Apr 1754 at the Cocalico Reformed Church by John Waldschmidt. She married Johann Balthaser Laber (1731-1774) of Lebanon County. Her will was proved 5 Mar 1784. 1122112. Martin Bowman, b. c1740. He was taxed at Earl Township in 1769, 1770 next to his father. 1122113. John Bowman, b. c1743. 1122114. Henry Bowman, b. c1747. 1122115. Samuel Bowman, b. c1752. 112212. Anna Bowman, b. c1718. She married Tobias Horst by 1765. Their first three children were born about 1739 to 1745. 11222. Barbara Bowman, b. c1697. She was the executor of her father's will. 11223. Hans Bowman, b. c1701. d. c1761, Strasburg Township, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. He was married to Barbara Schenk, daughter of Christian Schenk. Barbara married secondly Conrad Hoke in about August 1761. Hans was deceased when the orphan court of Lancaster County, Pennsylvania showed on 2 Jun 1761 that John Bowman died with 219 acres in Strasburg Township and 200 acres in Sadbury Township, which were confirmed to his oldest son Henry and that Henry was to pay money to his siblings for the land. His widow Barbara Bowman was to receive a yearly sum and money was distributed to the following children of John Bowman, deceased; Henry Bowman (oldest son), Margaret Graff (widow of John Graff), John Bowman, Christian Bowman, Benjamin Bowman, Esther Bowman, Ann Bowman, Abraham Bowman, Elizabeth Bowman and Susanna Bowman. On 7 Aug 1671 in the orphan court of Lancaster County it showed that the administration of his estate went to Conrad Hoke and Hoke’s wife Barbara (late Bowman), John Hare (Herr) and Harry (Henry) Bowman. Money was distributed to Barbara (late widow) and now wife of Conrad Hoke, Henry Bowman (oldest son), Margaret who was married to John Graf, now deceased, John Bowman, Christian Bowman, Benjamin Bowman, Esther Bowman, Ann Bowman, Abraham Bowman, Elizabeth Bowman and Susanna Bowman. He was taxed at Conestoga in 1725 and 1727 next to Jacob Bowman. He was taxed at Strasburg Township in 1751, 1757, 1758 and 1759 as “Sr”. 112231. Henry Bowman, b. c1728. He was called the oldest son in the orphan court records. He was taxed at Strasburg Township as a single man in 1758 and in 1769 he was taxed on 150 acres. He was living at Strasburg Township in the 1790 census with 2 other males over age 16, 2 males under age 16 and 5 females in his household. 112232. Margaret Bowman, b. c1730. She was married to John Graff, who was dead by 1761. 112233. John Bowman, b. c1732. He was taxed at Strasburg Township in 1757, 1758 and in 1759 as Jr. He was gone by 1769. 112234. Christian Bowman, b. c1734. 112235. Benjamin Bowman, b. c1736. He was taxed as a renter at Strasburg Township in 1769 and 1771. 112236. Esther Bowman, b. c1738. 112237. Ann Bowman, b. c1740. 112238. Abraham Bowman, b. c1742. 112239. Elizabeth Bowman, b. c1744. 112230. Susanna Bowman, b. c1746. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of William Thomas Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 3:28 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BRE] Bowman/Graff/Ephrata I have been researching various Thomas families of eastern, PA for a number of years, and recently was digging into a John Jacob Thoman of York County, who is said to have been married to a Susanna Bowman. Susanna is supposedly from Cocalico Township. I believe an Austin Jacob Thomas did much of the research on this family. I used wills, articles, orphan court records and warrants to try to locate Susanna's family. This information pointed to the Ephrata area. Looking at the Ephrata death register, I saw a number of Bowman's, including a Susanna Bowman (although that may be a married name). A John Bowman is also listed as having died in 1755, but is listed as 'young brother Johannes Bauman'. The existing records point to Susanna being the daughter of John Bowman, who died about 1755 per Orphan Court records. Susanna is listed with a number of siblings, including two minor children. One of these minor children was given to Christian Carver as a guardian, and another to Henry Neff. A Henry Neff was a member of the Conestoga Congregation, and Christian Carver is said to have been a German Baptist per Garber info I have (not part of the more famous German Baptist Garber family). John also had a married daughter Margaret that the Orphan Court records states is the widow of a John Graff. Looking at the numerous Graff families, I believe John is the son of immigrant Hans Graff and Susanna Kendig, who lived in Earl Township. A Hans Graff was also part of the Conestoga Congregation. John had property in Strasburg Township that is listed in the Orphan Court Records. Warrants and survey maps show this was property he inherited from his father John, who died in 1738. This property was adjacent property of Casper Bowman (his brother). I believe John who died in 1755 is the John who also had warrants on Cocalico Creek, near warrants of Henry and Jacob Bowman (likely his brothers). I have found three early Lancaster County Bowman families. The first is Wynant Bowman, who immigrated in 1707. The next is Wendle, who immigrated in 1710 on the ship Maria Hope. The last is Hans Bowman who immigrated on the so-called 'Three ships' in 1717. I believe this is the John who died in 1738. All of these families were Mennonite. I suspect the Henry who had property on Cocalico Creek is the Henry who is later found in Lebanon Township, and who was listed as a non-associator in 1759. I believe Jacob Bowman who also had property along Cocalico Creek is the Jacob Bowman who died in Earl Township in 1753. Emmert Bittinger did an extensive article on the German Baptist Bowman family of Rockingham County, VA, noting that its patriarch, Jacob Bowman, once owned property in Lebanon Township. Jacob may be a son of Henry Bowman, or the Jacob Bowman of Earl Township (although he is not listed in his will, Jacob was also no longer living in Pennsylvania at that time). It is noteworthy that one of the Rockingham Bowman's married into a German Baptist Thomas family in VA. There was also a Thomas family associated with Ephrata. Do any of you Bowman/Graff researchers have any comment on this info?? I find the internet genealogies on the Bowman and Graff families to be an ocean of misinformation. Bill Thomas ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/01/2011 03:28:15
    1. Re: [BRE] Bowman/Graff/Ephrata
    2. Dwayne Wrightsman

    3. Bill, Below is Richard Warren Davis's account of the Hans Bowman family who emigrated in 1717. The account is just a piece of Davis's larger account of the Bowman families. The piece seems to jibe with the description of the family that you sent earlier today. 1122. Johannes Bowman, b. c1668. He died at Strasburg Township, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania on 10 Jan 1738. He was a Mennonite minister. He arrived in Pennsylvania in 1717. He was married to Barbara. 11221. Jacob Bowman, b. c1693. Taxed 1719 and 1720 next to his father at Conestoga Township. He was probably the Jacob Bowman who died in 1753 at Earl Township, Lancaster County. He wrote his will in 1743 and it was proved in 1753. He warranted 150 acres in Earl Township on Conestoga Creek on 28 Nov 1738. He married in about 1713, Barbara Bär (d. 1760), sister of Samuel Bear of Cocalico Township. Barbara's family came from Adelshofen, Germany (near Richen and Ittlingen). 112211. Samuel Bowman, b. c1714. d. 1782, Earl Township. He was a Mennonite. He was taxed at Earl Township in 1750 and 1769 and 1770. He married Veronica Martin, daughter of Christian Martin. He was taxed at Earl in 1750, 1769 and 1770. 1122111. Elizabeth Bowman, b. 1736. d. By 5 Mar 1784, Donegal Township. She was baptized on 12 Apr 1754 at the Cocalico Reformed Church by John Waldschmidt. She married Johann Balthaser Laber (1731-1774) of Lebanon County. Her will was proved 5 Mar 1784. 1122112. Martin Bowman, b. c1740. He was taxed at Earl Township in 1769, 1770 next to his father. 1122113. John Bowman, b. c1743. 1122114. Henry Bowman, b. c1747. 1122115. Samuel Bowman, b. c1752. 112212. Anna Bowman, b. c1718. She married Tobias Horst by 1765. Their first three children were born about 1739 to 1745. 11222. Barbara Bowman, b. c1697. She was the executor of her father's will. 11223. Hans Bowman, b. c1701. d. c1761, Strasburg Township, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. He was married to Barbara Schenk, daughter of Christian Schenk. Barbara married secondly Conrad Hoke in about August 1761. Hans was deceased when the orphan court of Lancaster County, Pennsylvania showed on 2 Jun 1761 that John Bowman died with 219 acres in Strasburg Township and 200 acres in Sadbury Township, which were confirmed to his oldest son Henry and that Henry was to pay money to his siblings for the land. His widow Barbara Bowman was to receive a yearly sum and money was distributed to the following children of John Bowman, deceased; Henry Bowman (oldest son), Margaret Graff (widow of John Graff), John Bowman, Christian Bowman, Benjamin Bowman, Esther Bowman, Ann Bowman, Abraham Bowman, Elizabeth Bowman and Susanna Bowman. On 7 Aug 1671 in the orphan court of Lancaster County it showed that the administration of his estate went to Conrad Hoke and Hoke’s wife Barbara (late Bowman), John Hare (Herr) and Harry (Henry) Bowman. Money was distributed to Barbara (late widow) and now wife of Conrad Hoke, Henry Bowman (oldest son), Margaret who was married to John Graf, now deceased, John Bowman, Christian Bowman, Benjamin Bowman, Esther Bowman, Ann Bowman, Abraham Bowman, Elizabeth Bowman and Susanna Bowman. He was taxed at Conestoga in 1725 and 1727 next to Jacob Bowman. He was taxed at Strasburg Township in 1751, 1757, 1758 and 1759 as “Sr”. 112231. Henry Bowman, b. c1728. He was called the oldest son in the orphan court records. He was taxed at Strasburg Township as a single man in 1758 and in 1769 he was taxed on 150 acres. He was living at Strasburg Township in the 1790 census with 2 other males over age 16, 2 males under age 16 and 5 females in his household. 112232. Margaret Bowman, b. c1730. She was married to John Graff, who was dead by 1761. 112233. John Bowman, b. c1732. He was taxed at Strasburg Township in 1757, 1758 and in 1759 as Jr. He was gone by 1769. 112234. Christian Bowman, b. c1734. 112235. Benjamin Bowman, b. c1736. He was taxed as a renter at Strasburg Township in 1769 and 1771. 112236. Esther Bowman, b. c1738. 112237. Ann Bowman, b. c1740. 112238. Abraham Bowman, b. c1742. 112239. Elizabeth Bowman, b. c1744. 112230. Susanna Bowman, b. c1746. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of William Thomas Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 3:28 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BRE] Bowman/Graff/Ephrata I have been researching various Thomas families of eastern, PA for a number of years, and recently was digging into a John Jacob Thoman of York County, who is said to have been married to a Susanna Bowman. Susanna is supposedly from Cocalico Township. I believe an Austin Jacob Thomas did much of the research on this family. I used wills, articles, orphan court records and warrants to try to locate Susanna's family. This information pointed to the Ephrata area. Looking at the Ephrata death register, I saw a number of Bowman's, including a Susanna Bowman (although that may be a married name). A John Bowman is also listed as having died in 1755, but is listed as 'young brother Johannes Bauman'. The existing records point to Susanna being the daughter of John Bowman, who died about 1755 per Orphan Court records. Susanna is listed with a number of siblings, including two minor children. One of these minor children was given to Christian Carver as a guardian, and another to Henry Neff. A Henry Neff was a member of the Conestoga Congregation, and Christian Carver is said to have been a German Baptist per Garber info I have (not part of the more famous German Baptist Garber family). John also had a married daughter Margaret that the Orphan Court records states is the widow of a John Graff. Looking at the numerous Graff families, I believe John is the son of immigrant Hans Graff and Susanna Kendig, who lived in Earl Township. A Hans Graff was also part of the Conestoga Congregation. John had property in Strasburg Township that is listed in the Orphan Court Records. Warrants and survey maps show this was property he inherited from his father John, who died in 1738. This property was adjacent property of Casper Bowman (his brother). I believe John who died in 1755 is the John who also had warrants on Cocalico Creek, near warrants of Henry and Jacob Bowman (likely his brothers). I have found three early Lancaster County Bowman families. The first is Wynant Bowman, who immigrated in 1707. The next is Wendle, who immigrated in 1710 on the ship Maria Hope. The last is Hans Bowman who immigrated on the so-called 'Three ships' in 1717. I believe this is the John who died in 1738. All of these families were Mennonite. I suspect the Henry who had property on Cocalico Creek is the Henry who is later found in Lebanon Township, and who was listed as a non-associator in 1759. I believe Jacob Bowman who also had property along Cocalico Creek is the Jacob Bowman who died in Earl Township in 1753. Emmert Bittinger did an extensive article on the German Baptist Bowman family of Rockingham County, VA, noting that its patriarch, Jacob Bowman, once owned property in Lebanon Township. Jacob may be a son of Henry Bowman, or the Jacob Bowman of Earl Township (although he is not listed in his will, Jacob was also no longer living in Pennsylvania at that time). It is noteworthy that one of the Rockingham Bowman's married into a German Baptist Thomas family in VA. There was also a Thomas family associated with Ephrata. Do any of you Bowman/Graff researchers have any comment on this info?? I find the internet genealogies on the Bowman and Graff families to be an ocean of misinformation. Bill Thomas

    03/01/2011 02:30:07
    1. Re: [BRE] Why Mrs. Schmucker wasn't in Somerset County
    2. William Thomas

    3. Suzy: A light just went off in my brain. I think I now why Jacob Schmucker's wife had her baby in Carlisle in 1779. Many of the residents of then Bedford County left the area between 1778 & 1779 due to Indian uprisings. Carlisle was the evacuation point for many of the refugee's. They were escaping the infamous Simon Girty and his Indian warriors. Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Suzy Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names?...tax list Yes, Bill, I know, not necessarily, but some 20 year old kid wasn't in a position to speculate like Benj Chew and others. Plus, he didn't outright own the property, not then anyway, if I'm reading my history books the right way. I think he got the property though some legislation that happened in 1792. Squatter's Rights is what I call it, but Tomahawk Claim is what they euphemistically call it in the books. This is totally off the subject of the list, but my current theory -- and I say that without really knowing how it all worked -- is that Jacob Schmucker, and possibly others, thought he'd better hightail it to Cumberland/Bedford Co to get his claim in before the land was all gone, but then he couldn't leave it for fear somebody would come along and take it. ?? That's the only thing I can think of because I doubt he had a place in the hills to spend the summer ala Geo Bush to Kennebunkport. :) My guess is Jacob's wife didn't join him until after the birth of their s! on in 1779, although she might have originally been there, and then left again, temporarily, to have her baby in civilization - I know that's what I would do!!! Really, I am just trying to make sense of the clues I've been given which amounts to his grandson, John Schmucker Jr's, hand written history as it appeared in a mug biography of his great grandson, G.F. Schmucker. I just can't see him laying claim and leaving his property, but then maybe my idea of what was going on back then with regard to land claims isn't quite right. I would love to hear how it worked when somebody laid their claim (or at least paid taxes) in 1776 but didn't purchase it until 1792. Suzy -----Original Message----- From: William Thomas <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, Feb 26, 2011 2:29 pm Subject: Re: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names?...tax list Being on the tax lists doesn't correlate to residency. It only means you owned property. A number of the names on the Bedford County list owned property but were not residents (some were land speculators like Benjamin Chew). Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Suzy Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names? Thank for your answers, Bill, N. H. and Gale. I have perused the listings on the COB site, and the other lists, but am still combing through the Ephrata book which I had never seen before. I only have a small window of perhaps 8 years: 1768-1776 the time when ha was a semi-adult (probably on his own, but it's not certain) but before he was present and accounted for in Somerset Co (Bedford at the time). The only thing I really have is that his wife was in or near Carlisle in 1779 when his son John was born. (Jacob is in Somerset as early as 1776 when he was on a tax list, so I am not sure how that happened.) I know other Schmucker researchers have combed though things long before this, but I keep hoping his name will magically appear. ;) Thaks of rht e replies, though. It's very interesting. Suzy Smucker Wert Indianapolis -----Original Message----- From: gale honeyman <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:40 pm Subject: Re: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names? The URL for the Church of the Brethren network containing Brethren history and genealogy is http://www.cob-net.org/genchurch.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Thomas" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names? > Susy: > > There is the Ephrata Death Register on the COB website. You can also > download the Chronicon Ephratense (a detailed history on the cloister). I > believe the book Pennsylvania Vital Statistics also includes Ephrata > records. > > Bill Thomas ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/01/2011 09:23:47
    1. [BRE] Bowman/Graff/Ephrata
    2. William Thomas

    3. I have been researching various Thomas families of eastern, PA for a number of years, and recently was digging into a John Jacob Thoman of York County, who is said to have been married to a Susanna Bowman. Susanna is supposedly from Cocalico Township. I believe an Austin Jacob Thomas did much of the research on this family. I used wills, articles, orphan court records and warrants to try to locate Susanna's family. This information pointed to the Ephrata area. Looking at the Ephrata death register, I saw a number of Bowman's, including a Susanna Bowman (although that may be a married name). A John Bowman is also listed as having died in 1755, but is listed as 'young brother Johannes Bauman'. The existing records point to Susanna being the daughter of John Bowman, who died about 1755 per Orphan Court records. Susanna is listed with a number of siblings, including two minor children. One of these minor children was given to Christian Carver as a guardian, and another to Henry Neff. A Henry Neff was a member of the Conestoga Congregation, and Christian Carver is said to have been a German Baptist per Garber info I have (not part of the more famous German Baptist Garber family). John also had a married daughter Margaret that the Orphan Court records states is the widow of a John Graff. Looking at the numerous Graff families, I believe John is the son of immigrant Hans Graff and Susanna Kendig, who lived in Earl Township. A Hans Graff was also part of the Conestoga Congregation. John had property in Strasburg Township that is listed in the Orphan Court Records. Warrants and survey maps show this was property he inherited from his father John, who died in 1738. This property was adjacent property of Casper Bowman (his brother). I believe John who died in 1755 is the John who also had warrants on Cocalico Creek, near warrants of Henry and Jacob Bowman (likely his brothers). I have found three early Lancaster County Bowman families. The first is Wynant Bowman, who immigrated in 1707. The next is Wendle, who immigrated in 1710 on the ship Maria Hope. The last is Hans Bowman who immigrated on the so-called 'Three ships' in 1717. I believe this is the John who died in 1738. All of these families were Mennonite. I suspect the Henry who had property on Cocalico Creek is the Henry who is later found in Lebanon Township, and who was listed as a non-associator in 1759. I believe Jacob Bowman who also had property along Cocalico Creek is the Jacob Bowman who died in Earl Township in 1753. Emmert Bittinger did an extensive article on the German Baptist Bowman family of Rockingham County, VA, noting that its patriarch, Jacob Bowman, once owned property in Lebanon Township. Jacob may be a son of Henry Bowman, or the Jacob Bowman of Earl Township (although he is not listed in his will, Jacob was also no longer living in Pennsylvania at that time). It is noteworthy that one of the Rockingham Bowman's married into a German Baptist Thomas family in VA. There was also a Thomas family associated with Ephrata. Do any of you Bowman/Graff researchers have any comment on this info?? I find the internet genealogies on the Bowman and Graff families to be an ocean of misinformation. Bill Thomas

    03/01/2011 08:28:01
    1. Re: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names?...tax list
    2. William Thomas

    3. Suzy: I believe the Schmucker family of Somerset County was originally Amish, immigrating in 1752 on the St. Andrew. The patriarch of the family was Christian Schmucker, married to Catherine Hesster, and they lived in Earl Township, Lancaster County. His son John was married to Barbara Stoltzfus and lived in Berks County, in what is now part of West Reading. The son of John & Barbara was Christian Schmucker, the second husband of Veronica Livengood, whose family was German Baptist and lived in Somerset County. Your Jacob is likely the brother of John, and if so was married to Ann (??). Jacob is in the 1783 Quemahoning Township tax, and is noted in the History of Bedford & Somerset Counties as part of a 1797 committee that included Jacob Hochstetler, to review the layout of the Old Cumberland Road (Route 160). Jacob Hochstetler was Amish and maybe turned German Baptist, since all his children were German Baptist. If Jacob Schmucker is in early tax listings, he may have been part of a significant Amish migration from Eastern PA to Somerset County, which began about 1771, and included the Livengood family. Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Suzy Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names?...tax list Yes, Bill, I know, not necessarily, but some 20 year old kid wasn't in a position to speculate like Benj Chew and others. Plus, he didn't outright own the property, not then anyway, if I'm reading my history books the right way. I think he got the property though some legislation that happened in 1792. Squatter's Rights is what I call it, but Tomahawk Claim is what they euphemistically call it in the books. This is totally off the subject of the list, but my current theory -- and I say that without really knowing how it all worked -- is that Jacob Schmucker, and possibly others, thought he'd better hightail it to Cumberland/Bedford Co to get his claim in before the land was all gone, but then he couldn't leave it for fear somebody would come along and take it. ?? That's the only thing I can think of because I doubt he had a place in the hills to spend the summer ala Geo Bush to Kennebunkport. :) My guess is Jacob's wife didn't join him until after the birth of their s! on in 1779, although she might have originally been there, and then left again, temporarily, to have her baby in civilization - I know that's what I would do!!! Really, I am just trying to make sense of the clues I've been given which amounts to his grandson, John Schmucker Jr's, hand written history as it appeared in a mug biography of his great grandson, G.F. Schmucker. I just can't see him laying claim and leaving his property, but then maybe my idea of what was going on back then with regard to land claims isn't quite right. I would love to hear how it worked when somebody laid their claim (or at least paid taxes) in 1776 but didn't purchase it until 1792. Suzy -----Original Message----- From: William Thomas <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, Feb 26, 2011 2:29 pm Subject: Re: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names?...tax list Being on the tax lists doesn't correlate to residency. It only means you owned property. A number of the names on the Bedford County list owned property but were not residents (some were land speculators like Benjamin Chew). Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Suzy Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names? Thank for your answers, Bill, N. H. and Gale. I have perused the listings on the COB site, and the other lists, but am still combing through the Ephrata book which I had never seen before. I only have a small window of perhaps 8 years: 1768-1776 the time when ha was a semi-adult (probably on his own, but it's not certain) but before he was present and accounted for in Somerset Co (Bedford at the time). The only thing I really have is that his wife was in or near Carlisle in 1779 when his son John was born. (Jacob is in Somerset as early as 1776 when he was on a tax list, so I am not sure how that happened.) I know other Schmucker researchers have combed though things long before this, but I keep hoping his name will magically appear. ;) Thaks of rht e replies, though. It's very interesting. Suzy Smucker Wert Indianapolis -----Original Message----- From: gale honeyman <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:40 pm Subject: Re: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names? The URL for the Church of the Brethren network containing Brethren history and genealogy is http://www.cob-net.org/genchurch.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Thomas" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names? > Susy: > > There is the Ephrata Death Register on the COB website. You can also > download the Chronicon Ephratense (a detailed history on the cloister). I > believe the book Pennsylvania Vital Statistics also includes Ephrata > records. > > Bill Thomas ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/01/2011 07:19:20
    1. Re: [BRE] The Brethren Evangelist - Offering #106
    2. Wanda Barrett

    3. Wayne, I really do enjoy the postings from  the Brethren publications. I've found news from an ancestor -- J.L. Gillen; he was in Iowa at the time, but eventually he became a president of Ashland College for awhile. Seems he wasn't too popular, from what I've  read.  He, his son, and grandson were prlific authors as well. I've been reading the History of the Church of the Brethren online -- by a Blough. Very interesting. A whole book, but I've learned more about the people in my neck of the woods of Pennsylvania. So many familiar names who were pastors and laymen. Some were relatives on several sides of my family. I tried a long time ago to get into the archives that requires password; unable, so never tried again. (I have a hard time keeping track of passwords -- I really shy away from sites requiring them. From that book mentioned above, I'm trying to compile a chapter for my family history book I'm writing -- really is a challenge, as it covers about 200 years (including updated after that book) of about 3-4 Brethren churches. Thank you kindly for all your time you spend; I enjoy all you put in the website. Cordially, Wanda   ________________________________ From: A. Wayne Webb <[email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 10:50:23 PM Subject: [BRE] The Brethren Evangelist - Offering #106 Evening Fellow List Members, A little misadventure with the various sites I maintain first, and then on to other things.  I have successfully logged on to the Brethren Almanacs web site a number of people in the past month.  None of them took the time to read the log in e-mail sent to them and follow the directions within it.  In essence it asks that the recipient send a reply to the e-mail denoting their success in logging in so that it is known they were successful.  Common courtesy seems to be lacking and I suspect that a thank you for all the hard work that went into the site, or other sites, would have definitely been too difficult. Along the same lines it has been duly noted that as of this evening there have been 1,694 visits to the Brethren Newspapers Offering site.  An additional 2,200 visits have been made to the Montgomery county, Ohio web site.  On each site this number is viewable at the bottom side of each home page.  It makes me glad to see that people are enjoying what is available and are using the sites.  At 8:00 A.M. this morning as I finished up a full night of uploading images to the Montgomery site and doing additional coding, I found that not only was I on the site, but an additional 12 others were at the same time.  People have time to surf freely offered sites done by small groups or individuals for their love of history and yet none can take three or four minutes to send a simple thank you.  Let alone volunteer a smidgen of their time to the site!  It truly is a sad day in Muddville! 'Nuff said! I know somewhat the tribulations of a moderator's existence.  Thank you Mr. Shuman for all that you have done over the years for the Brethren List. Also, a thank you for the moderators, past and present, of the Montgomery county, Ohio and Bedford county, Pennsylvania list servers is in order. Now on to happier tidings in Muddville.  In the past several weeks I have been able to upload to the Montgomery county, Ohio site 363 fully indexed pages of the marriages from 1803 to 1837, Dockets A-1 and B-1.  I have also uploaded to the same site the estate papers, some color some not, of the following individuals:  Henry Moyer (d. 1804), Josiah Smith (d. 1805), Philemon Plummer (d. 1807), Joseph Blickenstaff (d. 1818), John Murray (d. 1820), Henry Hart (d. 1820), Mary 'Ulrich' Puterbaugh (d. 1842), George Swank (d. 1844), George Shank (d. 1871). Additionally I uploaded the guardianship of the heirs of John Murray (d. 1820).  All-in-all this was ten sets of estate and guardianship papers totaling in excess of 440 items.  It is all there but presently locked out until at such time as I can teach myself the intricacies of coding membership modules.  I will be uploading from my other hundred or so estates and guardianships over the next several weeks to better flesh out the online collection. I must admit that it was intriguing seeing Internet "pings" on the estate and guardianship section of the site.  I had to chuckle knowing that there was material not yet available to view. <g>  The first item of each online set is viewable without a membership and people continue to think that because it is on the Internet that it is there for the taking.  Please enjoy the marriage index for Docket A-2 which is almost indexed completely.  There is only one letter remaining, R, and that should be available within the next three or four days. Mr. Jesse Davis has graciously donated his time and efforts and has aided greatly in bringing this aspect of the Montgomery county, Ohio site, the index to Docket A-2, to fruition for your enjoyment.  He and I have worked well together and I am sorry to say that he must needs move on to other things.  Thank you Mr. Davis and your assistance as the only person who stepped up to the plate will be sorely missed.  If there is anything from my bag of tricks you would like please feel to ask as I always take care of those who assist me.  Honor does still exist on the Internet.  This marriage index can be viewed by visiting http://montgomery.brethrenarchives.com/index.php?option=com_content <http://montgomery.brethrenarchives.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=se ction&id=6&Itemid=54> &view=section&id=6&Itemid=54. And yet somehow I have found the time to continue the research and coding of a site dedicated to the various ministers and congregations of the German Baptist Brethren church thru the splits.  There is far more now known than was previously known about the majority of the ministers and some interesting facts have come to light regarding the splinter groups and the congregations.  It is a lot of work but is actually enjoyable being aware that, for a time, you are the only one who knows.  It makes the work actually worth it. The last thing I have done in the past several weeks is to prepare a site for the Brethren Church Archives of Ashland, Ohio.  The archivist, Mr. David Roepke, has been desirous of a properly set up site for some time now and I graciously offered my assistance.  We have a little test vehicle up and running for him to learn on and in the near future we will be working to load to it a selection of his material.  In the future we hope to post audio and video tapes after they have been prepared as well the catalog collections of the archives.  I am glad to share in my expertise, such as it is, and hope that others will see value to the site.  More anon. This latest Offering took me the better part of all day and was intriguing. It established one Brethren church some 70 years before it was supposedly established in 1967 and shed more light on a lesser known minister. Interesting little article too!  You can view the latest Brethren Newspaper Offering by visiting http://offering.brethrenarchives.com/index.php?option=com_content <http://offering.brethrenarchives.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=arti cle&id=628:the-brethren-evengelist-offering-106&catid=38:2011&Itemid=57> &view=article&id=628:the-brethren-evengelist-offering-106&catid=38:2011&Item id=57.  Enjoy them while they last. And fifty-one years ago was a special day in Muddville. With Brethren Love, A. Wayne Webb                               ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN                               ------------------------                         Support Our Sponsoring Agency             The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected]                               ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/01/2011 05:20:28
    1. [BRE] Montgomery County, Ohio Marriage Index - A-2
    2. A. Wayne Webb

    3. I am happy to report that Mr. Jesse Davis last evening completed his indexing of the images of the third marriage docket for Montgomery county, Ohio. Thank you Mr. Davis. Courtesy of Mr. Davis' aid the entire set is now searchable. On any page that has a search block on it, generally at the top of the page, just click in it, type your search string and hit Enter on your keyboard. You can visit the applicable page by visiting http://montgomery.brethrenarchives.com/index.php?option=com_content <http://montgomery.brethrenarchives.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=se ction&id=6&Itemid=54> &view=section&id=6&Itemid=54. I am seriously looking for someone else to step up to the plate and help in indexing the fourth marriage docket. Will at least one person help? The first two marriage dockets are also available and searchable but not accessible at present. Cordially, Wayne Webb P.S. The index pages for this docket alone have as of this morning been visited 1,556 times. And since Sunday night the site has jumped from 2,200 hits on pages to over 2,550 hits. Interesting and at least I got one person to say thank you.

    03/01/2011 04:10:24
    1. Re: [BRE] Why weren't the Montgomery marriages included in the IGI Records
    2. A. Wayne Webb

    3. Richard, Not being a user of IGI records in regard to Montgomery county, Ohio I cannot state what is there or what is not. I much prefer looking at the original record so I can draw my own conclusions. This also gains me access to whom the officiant may have been as well as other facts that the IGI will never cover. It is an index, nothing more! Many, many years ago with the advent of the Internet I was assuaged of many requests for this or that marriage that I could not find in my scanned images. I have had the marriages from 1804 to 1837 of Montgomery county, Ohio in my computer since the late 1990s. Soon I hope to return to them for scanning in higher resolution and in color. I also have the existing marriage affidavits as well although those are not fully cataloged for searching, time is limited and there is too much for one person. Without fail the marriages I was being asked to locate had to do with families that could be documented to have lived in or near Jefferson township. A large portion, but not all, of the marriages were German Baptist Brethren and took place, roughly, from about 1812 to the late 1820s. These researchers even had Bible records to support that the marriage took place on this or that date. I know wish I had kept a record of these marriages. And then one day I was reading Beer's 1882 history of Montgomery county, Ohio for Jefferson township and noticed that there was a German Baptist Brethren minister by the name of Samuel Boltin listed. Asking someone whom I trust, the other respondent to your question, he discounted the statement in the book and also my conclusions that this was a "lost" minister of the church. Another, more senior, Brethren notable, even referred to my conclusions as star dust to put it nicely. I was later proven to be correct when it was discovered that several Brethren periodicals and county histories specifically listed this minister of the church. He had been omitted from the 1921 Southern District of Ohio Brethren church history on purpose (the only conclusion possible) most likely because his roots were English. Another reason was that there was no history of his children having been Brethren. In each and every case his children were Christian church members. To sweeten the pot even more Bro. Boltin had been for a while a resident of my much beloved Morrison's Cove of present day Bedford and Blair counties in Pennsylvania. He was even married to the daughter of the Cove's namesake. So, in closing I can state that if the marriage you are looking for falls between 1812 to the late 1820s in or near Jefferson township, Montgomery county, Ohio and the couple were German Baptist Brethren, or not, then it is Samuel Boltin (Bolton) to whom I would attribute the marriage to. For the other marriages of Montgomery county search at WorldCat.Org with my name as shown below as I have published two books on the marriages as well as other works. The books help support my endeavors and I am not allowed to go into that aspect any further because of Rootsweb rules. The link I sent in my previous e-mail to the lists contains the link to the marriages for 1837 to 1844. Cordially, A. Wayne Webb -----Original Message----- Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:02:04 -0800 (PST) From: Richard Allen <[email protected]> Subject: [BRE] Why weren't the Montgomery marriages included in the IGI records? To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Wayne (or anyone else knowledgable about the Ohio marriage records): Was Montgomery about the only county in Ohio whose early marriage records were never placed into the IGI?? It seems like I might have seen them on microfilm at the LDS branch, but it would seem strange that the LDS would not transcribe them into the IGI. It would seem that most the official county records they would have incorporated into this, unless they were not given permission in that county. Are there any other Ohio counties excluded from the IGI? Richard

    02/28/2011 09:03:31
    1. Re: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names?...tax list
    2. Suzy

    3. Yes, Bill, I know, not necessarily, but some 20 year old kid wasn't in a position to speculate like Benj Chew and others. Plus, he didn't outright own the property, not then anyway, if I'm reading my history books the right way. I think he got the property though some legislation that happened in 1792. Squatter's Rights is what I call it, but Tomahawk Claim is what they euphemistically call it in the books. This is totally off the subject of the list, but my current theory -- and I say that without really knowing how it all worked -- is that Jacob Schmucker, and possibly others, thought he'd better hightail it to Cumberland/Bedford Co to get his claim in before the land was all gone, but then he couldn't leave it for fear somebody would come along and take it. ?? That's the only thing I can think of because I doubt he had a place in the hills to spend the summer ala Geo Bush to Kennebunkport. :) My guess is Jacob's wife didn't join him until after the birth of their son in 1779, although she might have originally been there, and then left again, temporarily, to have her baby in civilization - I know that's what I would do!!! Really, I am just trying to make sense of the clues I've been given which amounts to his grandson, John Schmucker Jr's, hand written history as it appeared in a mug biography of his great grandson, G.F. Schmucker. I just can't see him laying claim and leaving his property, but then maybe my idea of what was going on back then with regard to land claims isn't quite right. I would love to hear how it worked when somebody laid their claim (or at least paid taxes) in 1776 but didn't purchase it until 1792. Suzy -----Original Message----- From: William Thomas <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, Feb 26, 2011 2:29 pm Subject: Re: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names?...tax list Being on the tax lists doesn't correlate to residency. It only means you owned property. A number of the names on the Bedford County list owned property but were not residents (some were land speculators like Benjamin Chew). Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Suzy Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 11:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names? Thank for your answers, Bill, N. H. and Gale. I have perused the listings on the COB site, and the other lists, but am still combing through the Ephrata book which I had never seen before. I only have a small window of perhaps 8 years: 1768-1776 the time when ha was a semi-adult (probably on his own, but it's not certain) but before he was present and accounted for in Somerset Co (Bedford at the time). The only thing I really have is that his wife was in or near Carlisle in 1779 when his son John was born. (Jacob is in Somerset as early as 1776 when he was on a tax list, so I am not sure how that happened.) I know other Schmucker researchers have combed though things long before this, but I keep hoping his name will magically appear. ;) Thaks of rht e replies, though. It's very interesting. Suzy Smucker Wert Indianapolis -----Original Message----- From: gale honeyman <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, Feb 24, 2011 9:40 pm Subject: Re: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names? The URL for the Church of the Brethren network containing Brethren history and genealogy is http://www.cob-net.org/genchurch.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Thomas" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] How does on reasearch Ephrata names? > Susy: > > There is the Ephrata Death Register on the COB website. You can also > download the Chronicon Ephratense (a detailed history on the cloister). I > believe the book Pennsylvania Vital Statistics also includes Ephrata > records. > > Bill Thomas ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    02/28/2011 03:59:01
    1. Re: [BRE] How does one research Ephrata names?
    2. Suzy

    3. Thanks, Merle, Sorry for the delay in answering- I spent the weekend at Allen Co Public Library. Not quite, but it seemed like it! I have seen that book (or possibly a selected transcription, or as you inferred, an index), and he's not on it...not only that, but there appears to be zero interaction between Jacob Schmucker + family and those Brethren once they settled in Cumberland/Bedford/Somerset. :( Suzy -----Original Message----- From: Merle C Rummel <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, Feb 26, 2011 5:38 am Subject: Re: [BRE] How does one research Ephrata names? On 2/25/2011 11:26 PM, Suzy wrote: > Thank for your answers, Bill, N. H. and Gale. I have perused the listings on the COB site, and the other lists, but am still combing through the Ephrata book which I had never seen before. > > I only have a small window of perhaps 8 years: 1768-1776 the time when ha was a semi-adult (probably on his own, but it's not certain) but before he was present and accounted for in Somerset Co (Bedford at the time). The only thing I really have is that his wife was in or near Carlisle in 1779 when his son John was born. (Jacob is in Somerset as early as 1776 when he was on a tax list, so I am not sure how that happened.) I know other Schmucker researchers have combed though things long before this, but I keep hoping his name will magically appear. ;) > > Thaks of rht e replies, though. It's very interesting. > > Suzy Smucker Wert > Indianapolis One other complication - The Chronicon normally does not use use actual names, the person would choose or be given a religious name - seemingly far different from their actual name. I'd have to check - but as I remember, Alexander Mack Jr was called "Brother Timotheus" A connected movement was that of Elder George Adam Martin. He had connections to Ephrata, but was somewhat separate. As I understand, he never was IN the Ephrata Cloisters. He was a leading Pietist, as opposed to the increasing Anabaptism of the Brethren Elders, probably was Sabbatarian. He had frequent disagreements with the Brethren Elders, they deemed him a serious problem. He was baptized in 1735 at the Conawago Church (Ephrata locale), was at the 1737 Great Swamp meeting with Conrad Biessel. as an Elder, he was sent by Elder Martin Urner, to Zinzendorf's Moravian Synod, as a/the Brethren Representative. In 1762 he was at the Bermudian Church. He helped found the Snow Hill Nunnery on the Antietam (a Seventh Day extension of Ephrata - only recently closed). In 1763 he and Elder Peter Miller went to Brothers Valley (Cumberland Co - later Bedford [1771]/Somerset [1795] PA). A migration of Brethren went there about that time (?followed him there?). I've only peripherally followed your correspondence - but have you checked Austin Cooper's 2 Centuries in Brohers Valley? - I do not have a name indexed copy (one of Austin's first printing). Merle C Rummel ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    02/28/2011 03:45:47
    1. Re: [BRE] Why weren't the Montgomery marriages included in the IGIrecords?
    2. gale honeyman

    3. You apparently are looking for a marriage that either was never recorded, yes there are some of those in Montgomery County, or the couple you are searching were married else where. As a test, I just used the LDS site https://www.familysearch.org/ for the 1866 marriage of my 2nd great grandparents David Flory & Elizabeth Sleppy's in Montgomery County OH and they are there, albeit Elizabeth's name has been misinterpreted as Deppy which is not the way it is recorded on their original marriage license. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Allen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 3:02 PM Subject: [BRE] Why weren't the Montgomery marriages included in the IGIrecords? Wayne (or anyone else knowledgable about the Ohio marriage records): Was Montgomery about the only county in Ohio whose early marriage records were never placed into the IGI? It seems like I might have seen them on microfilm at the LDS branch, but it would seem strange that the LDS would not transcribe them into the IGI. It would seem that most the official county records they would have incorporated into this, unless they were not given permission in that county. Are there any other Ohio counties excluded from the IGI? Richard

    02/28/2011 03:38:57
    1. Re: [BRE] Fronica Graff, d/o Jacob Graff Sr.

    3. Thank you for your reply Wayne. I believe I know where your information came from. Recently I have been looking at an article I copied back in the 1990s. The Mennonite Research Journal Vol. 14, # 3 from July 1973 has an interesting article on pages 27 thru 29, titled "Hans Groffs Aplenty." Based on what Dwayne has said it looks like part of the article may be true, but other parts mix up the relationships between people, etc. The main subject is Hans Graf who died in 1746. The record originally came from Levi W. Groff, a grgr grandson, written on July 4th 1876. It says Levi had a German Bible printed in 1580 "and other books and Relics brought to this country by Hans Graf, and which are yet in my possession." While the Bible may have had some dates in it, my opinion is that the other books and papers led to incorrect assumptions. Here is an example, later I will point out some of the known problems. Page 28 shows Hans Groff (1661-1746): 1696 immigrant, married Anna Bare. One child is shown, Jacob Groff, b Apr 2, 1699, d 1766, married Barbara Brackbill, Strasburg, PA and Maria Herr. A daughter Frances is listed, Willow Street, PA, b Mar 20, 1732, d Feb 5, 1826, m Wid. Christian Herr, Willow Street, PA, d May 18, 1772. According to Dwayne's research Jacob Graff was born on 2 Apr 1699, but died on 6 May 1776, not in 1766. The Fronica Graff we're discussing was married to Peter Eichenberg, not Christian Herr, and she died about 1805 in Franklin Co., VA, not in 1826. These are different sets of people. Martic Twp. is at the opposite side of Lancaster Co. from where Hans Graf lived. The article goes on to list Hans Groff's second marriage to Susanna Kendig (or Orendorf). The first name fits with what Dwayne has found, and the names of the children from this marriage match, even in the same order (with only two birth years listed). Levi W. Groff's link back to Hans Graf is given. On the front page of the periodical (also first page of the article) is a drawing of the land plat. It shows how the land was later divided over the years. I was able to locate the area using Map Quest, by locating the Groffdale Mennonite Church (where Hans Graf is buried), and a five point intersection to the north of it. The area is south east of Ephrata. The article mentions Hans' 1419 acres of land. Another piece of conflicting information is what I found in the January 1994 issue of Mennonite Family History, on page 9. It is an article by Richard Warren Davis, attempting to reconstruct ship lists for Mennonites arriving before September 1727. It conflicts with the Mennonite Research Journal article which says that Hans Graf arrived in 1696. Richard Warren Davis shows: 1704: Hans Graff b ca1675, came with his second wife and left his son, Jacob, in Germany. He first went to Germantown, PA, and lived there from 1704 to 1715. He moved to Lancaster Co., PA, in 1715. He died in 1746, Earl Twp., PA (Land Warrant in 1710 - signed warrant for land in Lancaster, PA, but did not take it up). Wife, Susanna, b ca1678; d after 1746, Lancaster, PA. I hope this clears up the question of the date of birth for Fronica Graff. There is an explanation for those who wondered about the abrupt ending of my previous post. As I was writing the phone rang and distracted me. Not wanting to lose what I had written I thought I was hitting the "send later" button, but accidentally hit the "send now" button. Sorry, I was almost finished anyway. Debby Bliss

    02/28/2011 11:12:47
    1. Re: [BRE] Fronica Graff, d/o Jacob Graff Sr.
    2. Stan4 Follis

    3. You might want to contact Wayne Lucore to find out where he found an exact birth date of 10 MAR 1731/32 in Willow St-Martic Twp, Lancaster Co, Pennsylvania on his World Connect Family Tree http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=lacor&id=I117467 I assumed it might be a baptism record somewhere, but haven't looked. If you find out, I'd like to know too since Fronica Graff and Peter Eikenberg/Eikenberry are my ancestors too. Stan Follis http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~sfollis/follis/eikenberry/ eikenberry_families.html -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 12:38 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] Fronica Graff, d/o Jacob Graff Sr. Dwayne, Thank you for your reply. It confirms what I thought, that Fronica was probably somewhere around 18 to 20 years when she was baptized. That would put her birth roughly about 1730 to 1732. That fits well with Peter Eichenberg's birth of 1731. Yes, I'm well aware that World Connect databases (and others also) can have good or bad information, depending on the compiler. I was only trying to get a rough idea. ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    02/28/2011 07:21:47
    1. Re: [BRE] Fronica Graff, d/o Jacob Graff Sr.
    2. Wayne Lucore

    3. My WorldConnect listings are not individually documented for several reasons, so I don't have an answer for Stan.  My tree has been developed over the last 40 plus years and originally was copied from hundreds of published and unpublished genealogies lent to me by an author of a Brethren family genealogy.   A 7th grtgrdmother of mine is a Groff and my wife was closely related to Eikenberry/Ikenberrys.   I note LDS shows Frances/Veronica/Fannie as born in March 1732-33, daughter of Jacob Graeff and Barbara Brackbill.   Wayne Lucore    Carmel, IN --- On Mon, 2/28/11, Stan4 Follis <[email protected]> wrote: From: Stan4 Follis <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BRE] Fronica Graff, d/o Jacob Graff Sr. To: [email protected] Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 12:21 PM You might want to contact Wayne Lucore to find out where he found an exact birth date of 10 MAR 1731/32 in Willow St-Martic Twp, Lancaster Co, Pennsylvania on his World Connect Family Tree http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=lacor&id=I117467 I assumed it might be a baptism record somewhere, but haven't looked.  If you find out, I'd like to know too since Fronica Graff and Peter Eikenberg/Eikenberry are my ancestors too. Stan Follis http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~sfollis/follis/eikenberry/ eikenberry_families.html -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 12:38 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] Fronica Graff, d/o Jacob Graff Sr. Dwayne, Thank you for your reply.  It confirms what I thought, that Fronica  was probably somewhere around 18 to 20 years when she was baptized.  That  would put her birth roughly about 1730 to 1732.  That fits well with Peter  Eichenberg's birth of 1731. Yes, I'm well aware that World Connect databases (and others also) can  have good or bad information, depending on the compiler.  I was only trying to get a rough idea.                                  

    02/28/2011 05:48:54
    1. Re: [BRE] Fronica Graff, d/o Jacob Graff Sr.

    3. Dwayne, Thank you for your reply. It confirms what I thought, that Fronica was probably somewhere around 18 to 20 years when she was baptized. That would put her birth roughly about 1730 to 1732. That fits well with Peter Eichenberg's birth of 1731. Yes, I'm well aware that World Connect databases (and others also) can have good or bad information, depending on the compiler. I was only trying to get a rough idea.

    02/28/2011 05:37:59
    1. [BRE] Why weren't the Montgomery marriages included in the IGI records?
    2. Richard Allen

    3. Wayne (or anyone else knowledgable about the Ohio marriage records): Was Montgomery about the only county in Ohio whose early marriage records were never placed into the IGI?  It seems like I might have seen them on microfilm at the LDS branch, but it would seem strange that the LDS would not transcribe them into the IGI. It would seem that most the official county records they would have incorporated into this, unless they were not given permission in that county. Are there any other Ohio counties excluded from the IGI? Richard

    02/28/2011 05:02:04