The difficulty with this index is that it lists ID numbers, not page numbers. The original book about Alexander Mack and His Descendants by Freeman Ankrum does not use ID numbers. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [BRE] Alexander Mack book is on Heritage Quest but has NO index >I did a search (index Alexander Mack Ankrum) and found the following index > _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~thomasliby/ankrum/ankrumn > ameindex.html_ > (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~thomasliby/ankrum/ankrumnameindex.html) > > Good luck, > Dave > > > In a message dated 3/4/2011 1:43:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Richard, > > I don't believe that the Ankrum book has ever had an index. The book was > actually originally published in 1943, so you may be looking at a > republishing of the book. I believe that I saw an index of the book that > someone -- not Rev. Ankrum -- had compiled and placed on an Internet > website. My memory of this isn't too clear but I may see if I can find > it again. > > David Myers > > > On Thu, 3 Mar 2011 17:19:01 -0800 (PST) Richard Allen > <[email protected]> writes: >> The Alexander Mack book is on Heritage Quest. I found this out for >> myself. >> However, it does not appear to have an index, as originally >> published in 1985. I >> don't think it has been republished since. Maybe someone else on >> this list can >> inform if it has been since 1985, or whether the compiler is still >> living? Does >> anyone know if an index has ever been constructed for this work? In >> just >> randomly going through some pages I fell upon a photo of someone who >> I >> researched just last week, who married a relative of mine, and who >> was born way >> back in 1802. He had the middle name of Mack, but of course I'd have >> no way of >> knowing he was connected with the Mack family, because generally >> they did not >> use middle names or initials in those days. >> >> >> Richard > ____________________________________________________________ > Gov't Urges Homeowners to Refinance > If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Gov't Refi Programs > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d7131dc2b0808b233m07vuc > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Kim, I hope you'll take lots of photos and post them when you come back in a location where we can all enjoy them. I use Picassa but Flicker works well too. I would love to see where my ancestors traveled and lived. Roberta Estes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim D. Garrison" <[email protected]> To: "BRETHREN" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 4, 2011 11:22:13 PM Subject: [BRE] Schwarzenau, Bad Berleburg, Germany I have planned a trip to visit Germany in about 7 weeks. I am interested in visiting Schwarzenau, Bad Berleburg, Germany, the site where Alexander Mack baptized 8 people in the Eder. Does anyone know if a memorial stands marking the site? Was a Brethren church established in or near the area where I could attend the Sunday service? A couple of days will be spent in Hirzel, Zurich, Switzerland, visiting the site memorializing the execution of Hans Landis. I'd be very interested to learn of other historical, Anabaptist sites to visit, as well. Thanks. Kim Garrison Weyers Cave, VA ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Stan has identified my online name index of Ankrum's descendants of Alexander Mack here. And for those who are disappointed after looking at it, I apologize for not having an update posted. A new version adds a fifth column with the associated page numbers in Ankrum's 1943 work. The old version currently at freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~thomasliby lists the descendants who Ankrum records in his book (with a couple of my known errors). The ID number is helpful to find the page numbers only if you are using the printed copy I deposited years ago at the Brethren Historical Library and Archives in Elgin. I still have work to proof-read the new index before I upload it to the site. In the meantime, if anyone finds a name in the current online index and writes to me at my e-mail address, I will give you the page numbers. I do not always keep up with my mailing list subscriptions so do not expect a prompt reply by posting a query to this list. I have two other priorities in my list of genealogical projects and will not have the revised index posted anytime soon. (I promise by the end of Sunday 01 January 2012.) My disclaimer that should encourage you to read the book anyway is that only descendants are listed in the index. Ankrum mentions neighbors, land owners, business partners, ministers of weddings and funerals, parents of spouses who marry into the family, and others who may be of interest to those researching associated and allied families. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, Mar 4, 2011 11:22 pm Subject: BRETHREN Digest, Vol 6, Issue 75 Message: 6 Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 15:46:24 -0500 From: "Stan4 Follis" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BRE] Alexander Mack book is on Heritage Quest but has NO index - but there is one online! To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A Google search quickly finds "Ankrum's Descendants of Alexander Mack - I DoGenealogy*" by our very own Thomas Liby of the FOBG - Fellowship of BrethrenGenealogists. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~thomasliby/ankrum/ankrumindex.html He compiled his own index here: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~thomasliby/ankrum/ankrumnameindex.html Stan Follis
In the little town of Fankhaus which is south of Berne and Langnau and Trub, you will drive out to a farm called Hinter Hutten which is a museum in a home where Mennonites hid out from the Reformers. I was amazed to find a history of the Mennonites of the region in the barn and the story of persecution can be found on video and books for sale. Link: http://amishmennoniteineurope.blogspot.com/2008/07/hinter-hutten-another-anabaptist-hiding.html http://www.taeuferversteck.ch/ Plus it is a beautiful area. Regula Fankhauser is related to a number of Pennsylvania brethren. Ulric Zug came from this area and their next door neighbors are still Zaugg's. Museum of the Reformation in Geneva is good. Have fun. Ray Hoff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim D. Garrison" <[email protected]> To: "BRETHREN" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 4, 2011 11:22:13 PM Subject: [BRE] Schwarzenau, Bad Berleburg, Germany I have planned a trip to visit Germany in about 7 weeks. I am interested in visiting Schwarzenau, Bad Berleburg, Germany, the site where Alexander Mack baptized 8 people in the Eder. Does anyone know if a memorial stands marking the site? Was a Brethren church established in or near the area where I could attend the Sunday service? A couple of days will be spent in Hirzel, Zurich, Switzerland, visiting the site memorializing the execution of Hans Landis. I'd be very interested to learn of other historical, Anabaptist sites to visit, as well. Thanks. Kim Garrison Weyers Cave, VA ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
It was very helpful that Thomas Liby prepared the listing of names found within the Alexander Mack genealogy book. And thanks for providing the link. It will work if you put the entire link on one line, or copy it and place it in your browser. However, he did not list the page numbers the names were found within that book, so technically it is not an index... yet. The numbers next to the names are of some "ID" numbers, which aren't page numbers. Let me know if there is some formula to turn ID numbers into page numbers. Richard
I was in Schwarzenau in 2008 for the 300th Anniversary of the Church of the Brethren. I went with a "Kreider Friendship Tour" led by Dr. J. Kenneth & Carroll L. Kreider. It was great! There are occasionally tour groups organized to visit not only Schwarzenau, but other European sites related to the Pietist religious movement and Brethren history. On August 2 -3, 2008, there were at least 800 people attending the 300th anniversary in Schwarzenau. Ceremonies were held by the Eder River. If you go by yourself, you will find an Alexander Mack museum. As I remember, we saw the home of Alexander Mack, the Huttental ( Valley of Huts where Mack lived), the Alexander Mack School (no longer used), the site of Alexander Mack's mill, and, of course, the Eder River, where the eight charter members of what was to eventually become the Church of the Brethren were baptized. After Alexander Mack and his followers left, no Brethren church was ever established. Maxine Driscoll San Bruno, CA. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim D. Garrison" <[email protected]> To: "BRETHREN" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 8:22 PM Subject: [BRE] Schwarzenau, Bad Berleburg, Germany > > I have planned a trip to visit Germany in about 7 weeks. I am interested > in visiting Schwarzenau, Bad Berleburg, Germany, the site where Alexander > Mack baptized 8 people in the Eder. Does anyone know if a memorial stands > marking the site? Was a Brethren church established in or near the area > where I could attend the Sunday service? > > A couple of days will be spent in Hirzel, Zurich, Switzerland, visiting > the site memorializing the execution of Hans Landis. > > I'd be very interested to learn of other historical, Anabaptist sites to > visit, as well. Thanks. > > > > Kim Garrison > Weyers Cave, VA > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I have planned a trip to visit Germany in about 7 weeks. I am interested in visiting Schwarzenau, Bad Berleburg, Germany, the site where Alexander Mack baptized 8 people in the Eder. Does anyone know if a memorial stands marking the site? Was a Brethren church established in or near the area where I could attend the Sunday service? A couple of days will be spent in Hirzel, Zurich, Switzerland, visiting the site memorializing the execution of Hans Landis. I'd be very interested to learn of other historical, Anabaptist sites to visit, as well. Thanks. Kim Garrison Weyers Cave, VA
> Yes, I had to Google it to see where the Wyoming Valley was located. I had never heard of it! It wasn't (isn't) close, but I bet it made the western settlers very nervous! > it used to be in all the American History books Merle C Rummel
A Google search quickly finds "Ankrum's Descendants of Alexander Mack - I Do Genealogy*" by our very own Thomas Liby of the FOBG - Fellowship of Brethren Genealogists. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~thomasliby/ankrum/ankrumin dex.html He compiled his own index here: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~thomasliby/ankrum/ankrumna meindex.html Stan Follis -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Myers Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 1:38 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] Alexander Mack book is on Heritage Quest but has NO index Richard, I don't believe that the Ankrum book has ever had an index. The book was actually originally published in 1943, so you may be looking at a republishing of the book. I believe that I saw an index of the book that someone -- not Rev. Ankrum -- had compiled and placed on an Internet website. My memory of this isn't too clear but I may see if I can find it again. David Myers On Thu, 3 Mar 2011 17:19:01 -0800 (PST) Richard Allen <[email protected]> writes: > The Alexander Mack book is on Heritage Quest. I found this out for > myself. > However, it does not appear to have an index, as originally published > in 1985. I don't think it has been republished since. Maybe someone > else on this list can inform if it has been since 1985, or whether the > compiler is still living? Does anyone know if an index has ever been > constructed for this work? In just randomly going through some pages > I fell upon a photo of someone who I researched just last week, who > married a relative of mine, and who was born way back in 1802. He had > the middle name of Mack, but of course I'd have no way of knowing he > was connected with the Mack family, because generally they did not use > middle names or initials in those days. > > > Richard ____________________________________________________________ Gov't Urges Homeowners to Refinance If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Gov't Refi Programs http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d7131dc2b0808b233m07vuc
Hello, If you are researching a family of Wyoming Valley, PA you might also look at the three volume set called “Connecticut’s Pennsylvania Colony Vol 1-3” by Donna Bingham Munger. It is an index. Debbie Freeman Suzy wrote: Yes, I had to Google it to see where the Wyoming Valley was located. I had never heard of it! It wasn't (isn't) close, but I bet it made the western settlers very nervous! Thanks, Ron, Ronald J. Pancner wrote": On July 3, 1778 400 men left fort Jenkins to avenge the ambush of three members of the Harding family tending their fields. They ran into an army of Tories, British Rangers and Senecas three times their number and were killed in what was known as the Wyoming Massacre. After that many surviving settlers left the frontier and their property for safety. This took place in the Wyoming Valley of PA.
Yes, I had to Google it to see where the Wyoming Valley was located. I had never heard of it! It wasn't (isn't) close, but I bet it made the western settlers very nervous! Thanks, Ron, Suzy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, Mar 2, 2011 5:31 pm Subject: [BRE] Why Mrs. Schmucker was not in Somerset County PA On July3, 1778 400 men left fort Jenkins to avenge the ambush of three members of the Harding family tending their fields. They ran into an army of Tories, British Rangers and Senecas three times their number and were killed in what was known as the Wyoming Massacre. After that many surviving settlers left the frontier and their property for safety. This took place in the Wyoming Valley of PA. Ronald J. Pancner ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I did a search (index Alexander Mack Ankrum) and found the following index _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~thomasliby/ankrum/ankrumn ameindex.html_ (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~thomasliby/ankrum/ankrumnameindex.html) Good luck, Dave In a message dated 3/4/2011 1:43:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Richard, I don't believe that the Ankrum book has ever had an index. The book was actually originally published in 1943, so you may be looking at a republishing of the book. I believe that I saw an index of the book that someone -- not Rev. Ankrum -- had compiled and placed on an Internet website. My memory of this isn't too clear but I may see if I can find it again. David Myers On Thu, 3 Mar 2011 17:19:01 -0800 (PST) Richard Allen <[email protected]> writes: > The Alexander Mack book is on Heritage Quest. I found this out for > myself. > However, it does not appear to have an index, as originally > published in 1985. I > don't think it has been republished since. Maybe someone else on > this list can > inform if it has been since 1985, or whether the compiler is still > living? Does > anyone know if an index has ever been constructed for this work? In > just > randomly going through some pages I fell upon a photo of someone who > I > researched just last week, who married a relative of mine, and who > was born way > back in 1802. He had the middle name of Mack, but of course I'd have > no way of > knowing he was connected with the Mack family, because generally > they did not > use middle names or initials in those days. > > > Richard ____________________________________________________________ Gov't Urges Homeowners to Refinance If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Gov't Refi Programs http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d7131dc2b0808b233m07vuc ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Richard, I don't believe that the Ankrum book has ever had an index. The book was actually originally published in 1943, so you may be looking at a republishing of the book. I believe that I saw an index of the book that someone -- not Rev. Ankrum -- had compiled and placed on an Internet website. My memory of this isn't too clear but I may see if I can find it again. David Myers On Thu, 3 Mar 2011 17:19:01 -0800 (PST) Richard Allen <[email protected]> writes: > The Alexander Mack book is on Heritage Quest. I found this out for > myself. > However, it does not appear to have an index, as originally > published in 1985. I > don't think it has been republished since. Maybe someone else on > this list can > inform if it has been since 1985, or whether the compiler is still > living? Does > anyone know if an index has ever been constructed for this work? In > just > randomly going through some pages I fell upon a photo of someone who > I > researched just last week, who married a relative of mine, and who > was born way > back in 1802. He had the middle name of Mack, but of course I'd have > no way of > knowing he was connected with the Mack family, because generally > they did not > use middle names or initials in those days. > > > Richard ____________________________________________________________ Gov't Urges Homeowners to Refinance If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Gov't Refi Programs http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d7131dc2b0808b233m07vuc
Gale, You are probably pushing the alarm button a little early here. HeritageQuest is not the same type of company as Google. Google does have a reputation -- probably deserved -- of gobbling up books without being too concerned about their copyright status. HeritageQuest -- at least in my city -- is an on-line database that is one of many offered by our city library, so HeritageQuest isn't "on the Internet" in the way that most people think of when they hear that phrase. I strongly doubt that there are any books in the HeritageQuest database that were not acquired in the proper manner -- copyright respected, or not still in copyright, etc. David Myers On Thu, 3 Mar 2011 21:26:48 -0500 "gale honeyman" <[email protected]> writes: > Freeman Ankram died in 1972. If Heritage Quest has put his book on > the net, > they have violated copyright laws unless family members gave > permission. ____________________________________________________________ Gov't Urges Homeowners to Refinance If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Gov't Refi Programs http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d7131dc2b0718b232m07vuc
"Alexander Mack the Tunker and Descndants" by Freeman Ankrum was originally published in 1943. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Allen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 5:19 PM Subject: [BRE] Alexander Mack book is on Heritage Quest but has NO index The Alexander Mack book is on Heritage Quest. I found this out for myself. However, it does not appear to have an index, as originally published in 1985. I don't think it has been republished since. Maybe someone else on this list can inform if it has been since 1985, or whether the compiler is still living? Does anyone know if an index has ever been constructed for this work? In just randomly going through some pages I fell upon a photo of someone who I researched just last week, who married a relative of mine, and who was born way back in 1802. He had the middle name of Mack, but of course I'd have no way of knowing he was connected with the Mack family, because generally they did not use middle names or initials in those days. Richard ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I don't believe that "Alexander Mack the Tunker and Descendants" by Rev. Freeman Ankrum has ever been indexed. The way it is set up, you can do fruitful research - without an index. I purchased a spiral bound reprint of the book from Quintin publications. The print is a little larger than the original. No index. I also have a copy of the original that was signed by Freeman Ankrum and enscribed "Best wishes to Laird and Jean Ankrum." In the front is a photograph of Freeman Ankrum and his wife. There is also a business card of Laird Ankrum, with his address and telephone number in San Diergo, California. He was a Craftsman Member of the Piano Technicians Guild. I think I bought it on ebay - and I treasure it.
Freeman Ankram died in 1972. If Heritage Quest has put his book on the net, they have violated copyright laws unless family members gave permission. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Allen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 8:19 PM Subject: [BRE] Alexander Mack book is on Heritage Quest but has NO index The Alexander Mack book is on Heritage Quest. I found this out for myself. However, it does not appear to have an index, as originally published in 1985. I don't think it has been republished since. Maybe someone else on this list can inform if it has been since 1985, or whether the compiler is still living? Does anyone know if an index has ever been constructed for this work? In just randomly going through some pages I fell upon a photo of someone who I researched just last week, who married a relative of mine, and who was born way back in 1802. He had the middle name of Mack, but of course I'd have no way of knowing he was connected with the Mack family, because generally they did not use middle names or initials in those days. Richard
The Alexander Mack book is on Heritage Quest. I found this out for myself. However, it does not appear to have an index, as originally published in 1985. I don't think it has been republished since. Maybe someone else on this list can inform if it has been since 1985, or whether the compiler is still living? Does anyone know if an index has ever been constructed for this work? In just randomly going through some pages I fell upon a photo of someone who I researched just last week, who married a relative of mine, and who was born way back in 1802. He had the middle name of Mack, but of course I'd have no way of knowing he was connected with the Mack family, because generally they did not use middle names or initials in those days. Richard
Richard, What would you like to find out? I have a copy of the Freeman Ankrum book and the Longanecker descent is on pages 67-72. By the way, what relatives did the Longaneckers rent land to? Was it primarily Daniel's relatives or Sarah's? I ask because I have had a difficult time locating a couple of the sibs of Sarah (Mack) Langanecker (1775-1857). David Myers On Wed, 2 Mar 2011 12:21:00 -0800 (PST) Richard Allen <[email protected]> writes: > Wayne or anyone else: > > One group of people I am studying in Ohio were also from Morrison's > Cove, but > they didn't settled in Montgomery Co. in Ohio. They were the > Longeneckers, > descended on their mother's side from Alexander Mack. Do you know > if the > Alexander Mack genealogy is on-line anywhere? They are suppose to > have been > written up on the following pages. > > > > 1. Alexander Mack: the Tunker, and descendants > > Freeman Ankrum- 1943 - 352 pages - > I need pp 67 to 70, on the Longeneckers. > > I've found out that Daniel and Sarah (Mack) Longenecker purchased > numerous > parcels of land in various counties in Ohio, that they likely rented > out to > other relatives and Brethren people. They lived in both Stark Co. > and Columbiana > Co., but I've only found them in census records in Salem, Columbiana > Co. > > > > Richard > > [email protected] ____________________________________________________________ Gov't Urges Homeowners to Refinance If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Gov't Refi Programs http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d6f07d2c81c84ceam07vuc
On July3, 1778 400 men left fort Jenkins to avenge the ambush of three members of the Harding family tending their fields. They ran into an army of Tories, British Rangers and Senecas three times their number and were killed in what was known as the Wyoming Massacre. After that many surviving settlers left the frontier and their property for safety. This took place in the Wyoming Valley of PA. Ronald J. Pancner