Philip Nichter (1834-1913) & his wife Mary McNett Nichter (1824-1906) belonged to the Mill Creek Brethren Church & are buried in that church's cemetery. They had no children.  I have a book with a very poorly photocopied picture of them, but it doesn't tell the source of the picture.  Does anyone have an idea where the original might be, or how I could get a good copy? Thanks for any help.  Jeanne Webb 

I know our family established "Brethren" churches in Nebraska when they moved, so I assume that the church in Gentry County must have become "Baptist Baptist"  after they left.  I know our family who went to KS  are Brethren to this day.  The many ancestors who came to SD  failed to establish a Brethren Church, so many of them joined with  the Baptists here. -----Original Message----- From: "Ruth Hoese" <[email protected]> Sent 3/26/2011 2:18:20 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] Brethren, Gentry County MissouriMy dad referred to his Brethren forbears, and his mother, as hard shell Baptists. This is the only other reference I have seen to that term. Anyone? Ruth Hoese -----Original Message----- From: Dan Flyger Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:15 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [BRE] Brethren, Gentry County Missouri Does anyone know anything about the Long Branch Church and cemetery located SW of Darlington, MO? When was it organized? What became of it? The names in the cemetery of definately Brethren names: Hartman, Gish, Harris, Oyler, Funk, Snook . . . Our ancestors are buried there for a couple generations. We know that at least the Hartmans, Gishes and Harris families came from Roanoke, VA area. What became of this church? I visited with one old man in Albany, MO who was in his 70's and said he was raised in the Long Branch Church and that they were "hardshell Baptists" Our family left in the very early 1900's and went to SE Nebraska. Any information would be greatly appreciated, Dan Flyger Freeman, SD ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think many times people use the term "hardshell" to mean that they were "definately" Baptists, "Deep Water Baptists"  I like to call them, rather than the term being used as it is in some Baptist circles to imply  Primitive Hyper Calvinistic Baptists.    I really think many Brethren would have had a hard time accepting hypercalvinistic doctrine. As for Caney , KS.   There has been an American Baptist or as they used to be called, Northern Baptist  church there for ever.  The minister who married us was from that congregation. Dan Flyger Freeman, SD -----Original Message----- From: "Ruth Hoese" <[email protected]> Sent 3/26/2011 4:00:54 PM To: "Ginni Morgan" <[email protected]>, [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] Hardshell Baptists (was Re: Brethren, Gentry County Missouri)That is very interesting as we are descended from Elder John Wise of the Brethren church. He was married to a definitely Brethren Grable and had a Garber ancestor. Elder John Wise was one of three brothers who were Brethren ministers. So I think the term may be more generic than indicated in that. I do know that when my great grandmother died she was a member of the Nazarene Church. I do not believe there was a Brethren church in that little town of Caney, KS in the 1940's. I always thought as a girl, and knowing my grandmother, that he meant hard nosed, narrow minded! Maybe he did, kids do pick up on things. Who knows what my grandchildren might think of me, although I don't think it is that. Ruth -----Original Message----- From: Ginni Morgan Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BRE] Hardshell Baptists (was Re: Brethren, Gentry County Missouri) A very quick Google search seems to indicate that the term hardshell Baptist refers to the Primitive Baptists. I'm sure others will have more information on the connections between the Brethren and the Primitive Baptists. Catholic Encyclopedia: Baptists: Minor Baptist Bodies "(6) The Primitive Baptists, also called Old-School, Anti-Mission, and Hard-Shell, Baptists constitute a sect which is opposed to missions, Sunday schools, and in general to human religious institutions. They arose about 1835 (126,000 communicants)." Essay on Essential Baptist Principles™ (2002) Web www.essentialbaptistprinciples.org Editor : Elder Claude Mckee 1497 Bailee Way S. W. Jacksonville, Alabama 36265 "Since the early 1800’s the only group of Baptists in America which have held to the doctrines and practices of the Apostles have been called Primitive Baptists. This came about because of the great departure from the truth by many Baptists in the early 1800’s. Those that opposed the departures were labeled hardshell or Primitive Baptists" From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia "Primitive Baptists are a group of Baptists that grew out of the missionary / anti-missionary controversy that divided Baptists of America in the early part of the 19th century, with Primitive Baptists following the anti-missionary position.[1] Those currently denominated Primitive Baptists consist of descendants of churches and ministers that opposed the Baptist Board of Foreign Missions (organized in 1814).[citation needed] Primitive Baptist churches are characterized by "intense conservatism".[2] Since arising in the 19th Century, the influence of Primitive Baptists has waned as "Missionary Baptists became the mainstream".[1] Primitive Baptist churches are found in their greatest numbers in the southeastern United States.[2]" Ginni Morgan -----Original Message----- >From: Dan Flyger <[email protected]> >Sent: Mar 26, 2011 8:15 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [BRE] Brethren, Gentry County Missouri > >Does anyone know anything about the Long Branch Church and cemetery located >SW of Darlington, MO? >When was it organized? What became of it? >The names in the cemetery of definately Brethren names: Hartman, Gish, >Harris, Oyler, Funk, Snook . . . >Our ancestors are buried there for a couple generations. We know that at >least the Hartmans, Gishes and Harris families came from Roanoke, VA area. >What became of this church? I visited with one old man in Albany, MO who >was in his 70's and said he was raised in the Long Branch Church and that >they were "hardshell Baptists" >Our family left in the very early 1900's and went to SE Nebraska. >Any information would be greatly appreciated, >Dan Flyger >Freeman, SD > > ------------------------ >Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) >For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Among other things, I work with the history of the Brethren in Missouri from 1795 to present. I was glad to see some interest in the Brethren in Gentry County. Interest in the Brethren in northern Missouri dates to the 1920's when an early history was begun on the Missouri Brethren. Never finished, E. R. Vanderau of Plattsburg, MO (Clinton County) gathered all he could locate for a thesis in 1945 on the Brethren in the Northern District of Missouri. The Gentry congregation takes up very little space in this thesis. Gentry Congregation: Much of the material on this group has been written by Elder W. B. Sell who kept a notebook of happenings within the churches over which he was elder; Gentry was one of these congregations. It was organized in late 1878 or 1879 with 8 charter members. Among those listed as members include W. B. Sell and wife, S. S. Garman and wife, Serenius Garman and wife, James Miller and wife, Epaphirus Garman and wife, and a Brother Whitestine and wife. Salathiel Garman was called to deaconship. Congregational name was Gentry after the county in which it was located. By 1881/2 the congregation had grown to 23 members with no church building. It is doubtful it ever had a building as it disappears from the records by late 1890's. W. B. Sell moved to Ettieville, located 7 miles southwest of Albany in 1879 and held the Love Feast at his home Oct 4-5. 1879. He was also present when the congregation was organized along with Daniel Glick of the Whitesville congregation. A Green Ridge is also mentioned but I am not sure this was a known community. In caring for this congregation and the Long Branch congregation earlier, Sell moved from Martinsville, Harrison County to Ettieville, Gentry County. He also had oversight of the Honey Creek and White Cloud congregations (Nodaway County) and the Whitesville congregation (Andrew County). Earlier, he had been involved with the Hamilton congregation in Caldwell and Daviess Counties, MO. He eventually moved to southeastern Kansas. Jane Davis.

> A very quick Google search seems to indicate that the term hardshell Baptist refers to the Primitive Baptists. I'm sure others will have more information on the connections between the Brethren and the Primitive Baptists. > Yes, the Primitive Baptists are often called "Hardshelled Baptists" - If you've been following my messages about the "Frontier Brethren" - the very early Brethren who went to Kentucky (and in far southern Indiana and Ohio), were basically Pietist - our origin, but we were also of Anabaptist tradition. We were the "Taufer Gemein" - the "Baptist Brethren" (long before we became the "German Baptist Brethren"). Following the 1820s action of Annual Meeting against the Frontier Brethren - because they refused the traditions (legalisms) that had developed in the Brethren through the Annual Meeting and the Elders, these Kentucky Brethren were "expelled" (their term).. The Annual Meeting Elders visited the Kentucky churches (probably all of them, but we have just a few records) - the Elders found "error" in the churches - one thing, or another, that did not agree with the "Ancient Traditions" developed by the Elders during and following the American Revolution. These Frontier Brethren formed the "Brethren Association" to hold the traditions that they had held (mostly) into the Carolinas and on to Kentucky. Part of this was a direct result of the "Great Revival" as it came to Kentucky, which lead many into the Disciples of Christ and Church of Christ (Campbellism). There were many who did Not go with the Revival. While some of these stayed with Pietism - and went Methodist, and others followed the Pietist tradition of Eternal Restoration - and became Universalists - many were Baptist - and in almost every Brethren church congregational area - there were those who stayed as Baptists. Some of these were "General Baptists" - who became part of the Southern Baptists - but even more frequently I find Brethren family names on the founding roles of early Primitive Baptist churches. A couple days ago, I mentioned the Drakes Creek Church (Simpson/Warren Co KY) where the Brethren Minister, William Lowe [after the Hendricks Families (Universalist) migration to MIssouri] is found preaching for the Trammels Creek General Baptist Church (Allen Co KY) and the Lick Creek Primitive Baptist Church (Simpson Co KY) (maybe 15 miles apart). The Lick Creek records have several of the known Brethren Names on its early membership role. Now, I've centered my research in Kentucky - but I've found these same trends down at the Obannon Church (Stonelick now - I pastored there for 15 years) - east side of Cincinnati - and especially among the Bullskin Church -down on the Ohio River. A Primitive Baptist church there washes feet and has a full meal at communion - from what I heard. Similar was true over in Adams-Highland Cos OH (where my dad pastored, and I taught school) - the old Brush Creek Church. - these churches were founded about 1800 - mostly coming up from Kentucky. It is even true here at the Four Mile Church (Union Co IN) - and I have my burial lot with "the family" at the Concord Church of Christ, in Preble Co OH - and I'm a Church of the Brethren minister and Elder. I know that as the Brethren children moved on west - up into Illinois - into Missouri (and I lived in MIssouri, when a child) - and Iowa - many of these families did not stay with the Brethren denomination - but are found among these same several other denominations. Merle C Rummel

That is very interesting as we are descended from Elder John Wise of the Brethren church. He was married to a definitely Brethren Grable and had a Garber ancestor. Elder John Wise was one of three brothers who were Brethren ministers. So I think the term may be more generic than indicated in that. I do know that when my great grandmother died she was a member of the Nazarene Church. I do not believe there was a Brethren church in that little town of Caney, KS in the 1940's. I always thought as a girl, and knowing my grandmother, that he meant hard nosed, narrow minded! Maybe he did, kids do pick up on things. Who knows what my grandchildren might think of me, although I don't think it is that. Ruth -----Original Message----- From: Ginni Morgan Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BRE] Hardshell Baptists (was Re: Brethren, Gentry County Missouri) A very quick Google search seems to indicate that the term hardshell Baptist refers to the Primitive Baptists. I'm sure others will have more information on the connections between the Brethren and the Primitive Baptists. Catholic Encyclopedia: Baptists: Minor Baptist Bodies "(6) The Primitive Baptists, also called Old-School, Anti-Mission, and Hard-Shell, Baptists constitute a sect which is opposed to missions, Sunday schools, and in general to human religious institutions. They arose about 1835 (126,000 communicants)." Essay on Essential Baptist Principles™ (2002) Web www.essentialbaptistprinciples.org Editor : Elder Claude Mckee 1497 Bailee Way S. W. Jacksonville, Alabama 36265 "Since the early 1800’s the only group of Baptists in America which have held to the doctrines and practices of the Apostles have been called Primitive Baptists. This came about because of the great departure from the truth by many Baptists in the early 1800’s. Those that opposed the departures were labeled hardshell or Primitive Baptists" >From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia "Primitive Baptists are a group of Baptists that grew out of the missionary / anti-missionary controversy that divided Baptists of America in the early part of the 19th century, with Primitive Baptists following the anti-missionary position.[1] Those currently denominated Primitive Baptists consist of descendants of churches and ministers that opposed the Baptist Board of Foreign Missions (organized in 1814).[citation needed] Primitive Baptist churches are characterized by "intense conservatism".[2] Since arising in the 19th Century, the influence of Primitive Baptists has waned as "Missionary Baptists became the mainstream".[1] Primitive Baptist churches are found in their greatest numbers in the southeastern United States.[2]" Ginni Morgan -----Original Message----- >From: Dan Flyger <[email protected]> >Sent: Mar 26, 2011 8:15 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [BRE] Brethren, Gentry County Missouri > >Does anyone know anything about the Long Branch Church and cemetery located >SW of Darlington, MO? >When was it organized? What became of it? >The names in the cemetery of definately Brethren names: Hartman, Gish, >Harris, Oyler, Funk, Snook . . . >Our ancestors are buried there for a couple generations. We know that at >least the Hartmans, Gishes and Harris families came from Roanoke, VA area. >What became of this church? I visited with one old man in Albany, MO who >was in his 70's and said he was raised in the Long Branch Church and that >they were "hardshell Baptists" >Our family left in the very early 1900's and went to SE Nebraska. >Any information would be greatly appreciated, >Dan Flyger >Freeman, SD > > ------------------------ >Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) >For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone know anything about the Long Branch Church and cemetery located SW of Darlington, MO? When was it organized?   What became of it? The names in the cemetery of definately Brethren names: Hartman, Gish, Harris, Oyler, Funk, Snook . . . Our ancestors are buried there for a couple generations.  We know that at least the Hartmans, Gishes and Harris families came from Roanoke, VA area. What became of this church?   I visited with one old man in Albany, MO who was in his 70's and said he was raised in the Long Branch Church and that they were "hardshell Baptists" Our family left in the very early 1900's and went to SE Nebraska. Any information would be greatly appreciated, Dan Flyger Freeman, SD

My Miller ancestors were hardshell Primitive baptists. They were baptized in Montgomery County Indiana in the 1820s, on Sugar Creek. In 1834 they formed the Edwards River Congregation in Mercer County, Illinois, and in 1847 went to Oregon en mass, after disbanding that congregation and joined the Little Bethel Church of Primitive (hardshell) Baptists in Albany Oregon. Jeff Scism

My dad referred to his Brethren forbears, and his mother, as hard shell Baptists. This is the only other reference I have seen to that term. Anyone? Ruth Hoese -----Original Message----- From: Dan Flyger Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:15 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [BRE] Brethren, Gentry County Missouri Does anyone know anything about the Long Branch Church and cemetery located SW of Darlington, MO? When was it organized? What became of it? The names in the cemetery of definately Brethren names: Hartman, Gish, Harris, Oyler, Funk, Snook . . . Our ancestors are buried there for a couple generations. We know that at least the Hartmans, Gishes and Harris families came from Roanoke, VA area. What became of this church? I visited with one old man in Albany, MO who was in his 70's and said he was raised in the Long Branch Church and that they were "hardshell Baptists" Our family left in the very early 1900's and went to SE Nebraska. Any information would be greatly appreciated, Dan Flyger Freeman, SD ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A very quick Google search seems to indicate that the term hardshell Baptist refers to the Primitive Baptists. I'm sure others will have more information on the connections between the Brethren and the Primitive Baptists. Catholic Encyclopedia: Baptists: Minor Baptist Bodies "(6) The Primitive Baptists, also called Old-School, Anti-Mission, and Hard-Shell, Baptists constitute a sect which is opposed to missions, Sunday schools, and in general to human religious institutions. They arose about 1835 (126,000 communicants)." Essay on Essential Baptist Principles™ (2002) Web www.essentialbaptistprinciples.org Editor : Elder Claude Mckee 1497 Bailee Way S. W. Jacksonville, Alabama 36265 "Since the early 1800’s the only group of Baptists in America which have held to the doctrines and practices of the Apostles have been called Primitive Baptists. This came about because of the great departure from the truth by many Baptists in the early 1800’s. Those that opposed the departures were labeled hardshell or Primitive Baptists" >From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia "Primitive Baptists are a group of Baptists that grew out of the missionary / anti-missionary controversy that divided Baptists of America in the early part of the 19th century, with Primitive Baptists following the anti-missionary position.[1] Those currently denominated Primitive Baptists consist of descendants of churches and ministers that opposed the Baptist Board of Foreign Missions (organized in 1814).[citation needed] Primitive Baptist churches are characterized by "intense conservatism".[2] Since arising in the 19th Century, the influence of Primitive Baptists has waned as "Missionary Baptists became the mainstream".[1] Primitive Baptist churches are found in their greatest numbers in the southeastern United States.[2]" Ginni Morgan -----Original Message----- >From: Dan Flyger <[email protected]> >Sent: Mar 26, 2011 8:15 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [BRE] Brethren, Gentry County Missouri > >Does anyone know anything about the Long Branch Church and cemetery located SW of Darlington, MO? >When was it organized?   What became of it? >The names in the cemetery of definately Brethren names: Hartman, Gish, Harris, Oyler, Funk, Snook . . . >Our ancestors are buried there for a couple generations.  We know that at least the Hartmans, Gishes and Harris families came from Roanoke, VA area. >What became of this church?   I visited with one old man in Albany, MO who was in his 70's and said he was raised in the Long Branch Church and that they were "hardshell Baptists" >Our family left in the very early 1900's and went to SE Nebraska. >Any information would be greatly appreciated, >Dan Flyger >Freeman, SD > > ------------------------ >Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) >For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> It is my belief that the Western Kentucky Brethren were active long before > Joseph Roland officially organized them. We know that the Muhlenberg > Brethren were there before 1814 when the "Muhlenberg County" church was > officially constituted by Roland, and before 1826 when the "Long Creek" > church was officially constituted, again by Roland. I'm going to have to go through my research materials - I remember finding several references to a general area that was not Muhlenberg Co or Drakes Creek, and seemed to not be as far distant as they - just, on the way there. It may include this church area. I forget its name now - but it seems it was called "Green Country" or "Green River Country". It was early - maybe even before 1800. It was unspecified where this was - I did not locate it to any particular Kentucky County. It might have been this group. I really am interested in these families - Merle

Merle, It is my belief that the Western Kentucky Brethren were active long before Joseph Roland officially organized them. We know that the Muhlenberg Brethren were there before 1814 when the "Muhlenberg County" church was officially constituted by Roland, and before 1826 when the "Long Creek" church was officially constituted, again by Roland. Some of the Long Creek members were packing up to leave Kentucky even before 1826. The Muhlenberg people started settling in the late 1700s and most of them came from Virginia and North Carolina soon after 1800. They were already Brethren even though they were not officially organized as such. So I would not make too much of the organizational dates in Roland's "Ancient Document" of 1830. I suspect that there really was a Grayson County Brethren church since Joseph Roland knew about it, organized it, and wrote about it. I suspect that we have leaned too much on David B. Eller who in his dissertation covered Drakes, Muhlenberg, and Long Creek, but said nothing about Grayson. So far I have placed some of the children of Henry Rhoads in the Grayson County area, and now these Millers. Who knows who else may have been there? Dwayne Wrightsman -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Merle C Rummel Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 4:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] Samuel and Barbara [Kingery] Miller of Grayson County, KY On 3/25/2011 12:10 PM, Dwayne Wrightsman wrote: > > > Samuel Miller (b.1758) and his wife, Barbara Kingery (b.1764), moved from > Virginia (possibly Franklin County) to Grayson County, Kentucky, sometime > around the year 1800. Samuel was listed in both the 1810 and 1820 censuses > for Grayson County, KY. In the 1810 census, Samuel Miller and five other > Miller families were living close together. In the 1820 census, Samuel > Miller and 15 other Miller families were living close together. Samuel > Miller is said to have died about 1827. > > > > If Samuel and Barbara were members of the Miller and Kingery families of > Franklin County, VA, during the late 1700s, they were quite possibly > Brethren, and if their family (along with other Miller relations) were in > Grayson County during the 1810s and 1820s, they might have been associated > with the Grayson County Brethren church organized by Elder Joseph Roland. > > Who is this Samuel Miller? - was he connected to the "5 Miller Brothers - all Preachers" (Patricia Johnson, Elder Jacob Miller) - which included Elder Jacob Miller, in Franklin Co VA? I have tried to identified the "Five Miller Brothers" - Elder Jacob Miller, Tobias Miller and Baltzar Miller are connected. I have identified the presence of an Isaac Miller and a Daniel Miller - who might be the other brothers of the "Five". There were several families of Kingerys (Gingrich) there in Franklin Co VA - some daughers married sons of Elder Jacob Miller, and came to the Four Mile - here in Indiana. The Grayson County Church was started late (Joseph Roland - 1814), and I did little with those Kentucky Brethren churches that came in existance after 1800, but it is becoming very interesting! Merle C Rummel

On 3/25/2011 12:10 PM, Dwayne Wrightsman wrote: > > > Samuel Miller (b.1758) and his wife, Barbara Kingery (b.1764), moved from > Virginia (possibly Franklin County) to Grayson County, Kentucky, sometime > around the year 1800. Samuel was listed in both the 1810 and 1820 censuses > for Grayson County, KY. In the 1810 census, Samuel Miller and five other > Miller families were living close together. In the 1820 census, Samuel > Miller and 15 other Miller families were living close together. Samuel > Miller is said to have died about 1827. > > > > If Samuel and Barbara were members of the Miller and Kingery families of > Franklin County, VA, during the late 1700s, they were quite possibly > Brethren, and if their family (along with other Miller relations) were in > Grayson County during the 1810s and 1820s, they might have been associated > with the Grayson County Brethren church organized by Elder Joseph Roland. > > Who is this Samuel Miller? - was he connected to the "5 Miller Brothers - all Preachers" (Patricia Johnson, Elder Jacob Miller) - which included Elder Jacob Miller, in Franklin Co VA? I have tried to identified the "Five Miller Brothers" - Elder Jacob Miller, Tobias Miller and Baltzar Miller are connected. I have identified the presence of an Isaac Miller and a Daniel Miller - who might be the other brothers of the "Five". There were several families of Kingerys (Gingrich) there in Franklin Co VA - some daughers married sons of Elder Jacob Miller, and came to the Four Mile - here in Indiana. The Grayson County Church was started late (Joseph Roland - 1814), and I did little with those Kentucky Brethren churches that came in existance after 1800, but it is becoming very interesting! Merle C Rummel

I have a Gingerich Family Bible with some family tree info, (1880, Mennonite bible) On 3/25/2011 1:25 PM, Merle C Rummel wrote: > On 3/25/2011 12:10 PM, Dwayne Wrightsman wrote: >> >> Samuel Miller (b.1758) and his wife, Barbara Kingery (b.1764), moved from >> Virginia (possibly Franklin County) to Grayson County, Kentucky, sometime >> around the year 1800. Samuel was listed in both the 1810 and 1820 censuses >> for Grayson County, KY. In the 1810 census, Samuel Miller and five other >> Miller families were living close together. In the 1820 census, Samuel >> Miller and 15 other Miller families were living close together. Samuel >> Miller is said to have died about 1827. >> >> >> >> If Samuel and Barbara were members of the Miller and Kingery families of >> Franklin County, VA, during the late 1700s, they were quite possibly >> Brethren, and if their family (along with other Miller relations) were in >> Grayson County during the 1810s and 1820s, they might have been associated >> with the Grayson County Brethren church organized by Elder Joseph Roland. >> >> > Who is this Samuel Miller? - was he connected to the "5 Miller Brothers > - all Preachers" (Patricia Johnson, Elder Jacob Miller) - which included > Elder Jacob Miller, in Franklin Co VA? > > I have tried to identified the "Five Miller Brothers" - Elder Jacob > Miller, Tobias Miller and Baltzar Miller are connected. I have > identified the presence of an Isaac Miller and a Daniel Miller - who > might be the other brothers of the "Five". > > There were several families of Kingerys (Gingrich) there in Franklin Co > VA - some daughers married sons of Elder Jacob Miller, and came to the > Four Mile - here in Indiana. > > The Grayson County Church was started late (Joseph Roland - 1814), and I > did little with those Kentucky Brethren churches that came in existance > after 1800, but it is becoming very interesting! > > Merle C Rummel > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello, does anyone have access to a copy of this book, and be willing to do a lookup? I'm still trying to determine if Abraham Kintzinger/Kensinger was Mennonote or Brethren, and I'm researching his neighbors to see if there are any clues there. Abraham had land warranted in Lancaster county, but never had it patented. Thanks, Ken

This poses and interesting question I've often had. The Long Branch Congregation of Darlington, MO  was later known as the Long Branch Baptist Church, from what I've been told.   The cemetery is full of Brethren names:  Funk, Wertz, Hartman, Gish, Harris, Snook, Oyler.   Does anyone know anything about the history of this congregation.   From what I'm able to find, nearly all of them came from Roanoke VA area. DL Flyger -----Original Message----- From: "Merle C Rummel" <[email protected]> Sent 3/24/2011 5:40:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] The Henry Rhoads Family in Grayson County, Kentucky> I suspect that the Rhoads families of Grayson County might have been a part > of the Grayson County, KY, Brethren church of 1814 organized by Joseph > Roland. But if they were, they were not Brethren after they arrived in > Illinois. Jacob Rhoads was moderator and Henry Rhoads was clerk of the > five-member Baptist Church located in Medora, organized by them 21 April > 1832. If you have followed the transition that occurred following the 1820-1826 actions of Annual Meeting, and the Annual Meeting Elders - against the "Frontier Brethren", many brethren in Kentucky did become Primitive Baptists and General Baptists - in records that I found, frequently the family (those that remained "behind") can be traced to lists of founding members in local Baptist churches. The Brethren Association, reported as 16 congregations, of Kentucky and Indiana refused to accept the legalisms of Annual Meeting, and said that they were "expelled". All of the congregations that I studied - some 22-23 - did not remain in the Brethren denomination - and by 1830 and 1840 are definitely other denomination. I have found a few since the study - and they mostly became Baptist or Disciples of Christ. A large group of the Kentucky Brethren went with the "Great Revival" (or the "Reformation" as the Disciples called it). These were sometimes Disciples of Christ and other times Church of Christ - both Campbellite. Many Baptist churches were found in the locales where there originally were Brethren congregaitons (occasional there were early records that included Brethren family names in the Baptist Churches). As above stated - some were Primitive Baptist, some General Baptist - and at the Drakes Creek Church (where many Brethren had gone on to Missouri as Universalists) - the Brethren Minister William Lowe afterward served the Trammel's Creek General Baptist Church and the Lick Creek Primitive Baptist Church, both being areas in the original Drakes Creek Church. Lick Creek records included Brethren family names - I found no records on early Trammel's Creek. Asbury College/University had as a founding father, a grandson of Elder Jacob Rohrer, who had taken the Jessamine Creek Church to the Methodists, after being condemned by the Brethren Elders. Similar occured with the Shively Family, and the Parkview Methodist Church (earliest Methodist Church in Louisville) was originally Brethren with the Shively family at Shively KY. As mentioned above, many of the Pietist "Eternal Restorationists" of the Carolinas had gone to Kentucky. Mostly from the Drakes Creek Church, the connected Hendricks families (Roland, et al) moved on to Missouri, as Universalists. But I have found a similar trace among others of these early churches - including Miller families here at Four Mile (Union Co IN). I have found it interesting, in messages from some of you on the List, stating that you ancestor family was Brethren, but went Baptist or Methodist. Usually the date of change occurred about the time they lived in Kentucky. Merle C Rummel ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Samuel Miller (b.1758) and his wife, Barbara Kingery (b.1764), moved from Virginia (possibly Franklin County) to Grayson County, Kentucky, sometime around the year 1800. Samuel was listed in both the 1810 and 1820 censuses for Grayson County, KY. In the 1810 census, Samuel Miller and five other Miller families were living close together. In the 1820 census, Samuel Miller and 15 other Miller families were living close together. Samuel Miller is said to have died about 1827. If Samuel and Barbara were members of the Miller and Kingery families of Franklin County, VA, during the late 1700s, they were quite possibly Brethren, and if their family (along with other Miller relations) were in Grayson County during the 1810s and 1820s, they might have been associated with the Grayson County Brethren church organized by Elder Joseph Roland. Can anyone add to this? Dwayne Wrightsman

Hi Ken, Can you give me a township for Abraham Kintzinger in Lancaster county?? Eric Blocher

> I suspect that the Rhoads families of Grayson County might have been a part > of the Grayson County, KY, Brethren church of 1814 organized by Joseph > Roland. But if they were, they were not Brethren after they arrived in > Illinois. Jacob Rhoads was moderator and Henry Rhoads was clerk of the > five-member Baptist Church located in Medora, organized by them 21 April > 1832. If you have followed the transition that occurred following the 1820-1826 actions of Annual Meeting, and the Annual Meeting Elders - against the "Frontier Brethren", many brethren in Kentucky did become Primitive Baptists and General Baptists - in records that I found, frequently the family (those that remained "behind") can be traced to lists of founding members in local Baptist churches. The Brethren Association, reported as 16 congregations, of Kentucky and Indiana refused to accept the legalisms of Annual Meeting, and said that they were "expelled". All of the congregations that I studied - some 22-23 - did not remain in the Brethren denomination - and by 1830 and 1840 are definitely other denomination. I have found a few since the study - and they mostly became Baptist or Disciples of Christ. A large group of the Kentucky Brethren went with the "Great Revival" (or the "Reformation" as the Disciples called it). These were sometimes Disciples of Christ and other times Church of Christ - both Campbellite. Many Baptist churches were found in the locales where there originally were Brethren congregaitons (occasional there were early records that included Brethren family names in the Baptist Churches). As above stated - some were Primitive Baptist, some General Baptist - and at the Drakes Creek Church (where many Brethren had gone on to Missouri as Universalists) - the Brethren Minister William Lowe afterward served the Trammel's Creek General Baptist Church and the Lick Creek Primitive Baptist Church, both being areas in the original Drakes Creek Church. Lick Creek records included Brethren family names - I found no records on early Trammel's Creek. Asbury College/University had as a founding father, a grandson of Elder Jacob Rohrer, who had taken the Jessamine Creek Church to the Methodists, after being condemned by the Brethren Elders. Similar occured with the Shively Family, and the Parkview Methodist Church (earliest Methodist Church in Louisville) was originally Brethren with the Shively family at Shively KY. As mentioned above, many of the Pietist "Eternal Restorationists" of the Carolinas had gone to Kentucky. Mostly from the Drakes Creek Church, the connected Hendricks families (Roland, et al) moved on to Missouri, as Universalists. But I have found a similar trace among others of these early churches - including Miller families here at Four Mile (Union Co IN). I have found it interesting, in messages from some of you on the List, stating that you ancestor family was Brethren, but went Baptist or Methodist. Usually the date of change occurred about the time they lived in Kentucky. Merle C Rummel

--- On Wed, 3/23/11, Wayne Lucore <[email protected]> wrote: In looking at my tree, it appears the main family I find in Grayson Co, KY is Stovers, -?Joseph b 1803 VA, sons Albert b 1825 and Lewis b 1840.? These were descendants of Rev Wm Stover of Antietam and thus distant cousins of mine, probably Brethren. ? Wayne Lucore ============================ Would that Joseph Stover have married Elizabeth Yingst/Juengst b. 22 October 1798 in Lebanon Co, PA? Tom Stickler