John: I am familiar with the Burkhart family of Allegheny Township, which my wife is a descendent. The patriarch of her family is Jacob Burkett who owned property near Brush and Wills Creeks. The 1816 map location is off a tad, if this is Jacob's property. I am unclear as to their religious denomination. My wife's ties to the Burkett's begin with her great grandmother, who was Roman Catholic. However, the cemetery where her great-great Burkett grandparents are buried is not Catholic. The New Baltimore area of Allegheny Township had a significant Roman Catholic population, but the area where Jacob lived had several Lutheran Churches in the 1876 Atlas. There also was a Burkett/Burkhart family that lived in Bedford County that was close to German Baptist areas. The nearest German Baptist community I am aware of near Allegheny Township where west of the mountain ridge along present Route 31, on the Stony Creek and Brothersvalley Township line. Bill Thomas

I'm a little slow today. I can't seem to find the location of these maps. Does anyone have a link they could submit. Would LOVE to see them! Thank you. Stephanie Wilson [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Elbocher <[email protected]> To: brethren <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, May 19, 2011 8:20 am Subject: Re: [BRE] Vintage Maps bill, do you have the address for the penna archives? thanks. eric blocher In a message dated 5/18/2011 10:37:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I am not sure if this was mentioned before, and if it was, I apologize. The website of the Pennsylvania Archives has 1816 vintage maps in PDF format that you can download. At first view, they look like maps showing only township boundaries and major towns. However, if you blow them up to 200% scale or greater, you will see that these maps have homestead locations, tributary names, and other landmarks of interest. They have maps for every County in Pennsylvania (at least those that existed in 1816), but the map index appears to cover the entire state. Bill Thomas ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pa Archive websites is: http://www.phmc.state.pa.us Maps titled: MELISH-WHITESIDE COUNTY MAPS Direct link is: http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/bah/dam/rg/di/r17-534WhitesideMaps/r017-534White sideMapInterface.htm Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 11:17 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] Vintage Maps bill, do you have the address for the penna archives? thanks. eric blocher In a message dated 5/18/2011 10:37:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I am not sure if this was mentioned before, and if it was, I apologize. The website of the Pennsylvania Archives has 1816 vintage maps in PDF format that you can download. At first view, they look like maps showing only township boundaries and major towns. However, if you blow them up to 200% scale or greater, you will see that these maps have homestead locations, tributary names, and other landmarks of interest. They have maps for every County in Pennsylvania (at least those that existed in 1816), but the map index appears to cover the entire state. Bill Thomas ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

bill, do you have the address for the penna archives? thanks. eric blocher In a message dated 5/18/2011 10:37:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I am not sure if this was mentioned before, and if it was, I apologize. The website of the Pennsylvania Archives has 1816 vintage maps in PDF format that you can download. At first view, they look like maps showing only township boundaries and major towns. However, if you blow them up to 200% scale or greater, you will see that these maps have homestead locations, tributary names, and other landmarks of interest. They have maps for every County in Pennsylvania (at least those that existed in 1816), but the map index appears to cover the entire state. Bill Thomas ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am not sure if this was mentioned before, and if it was, I apologize. The website of the Pennsylvania Archives has 1816 vintage maps in PDF format that you can download. At first view, they look like maps showing only township boundaries and major towns. However, if you blow them up to 200% scale or greater, you will see that these maps have homestead locations, tributary names, and other landmarks of interest. They have maps for every County in Pennsylvania (at least those that existed in 1816), but the map index appears to cover the entire state. Bill Thomas

Neither do I have anything on these two daughters. Don Bowman descends from one of the daughters who married a Pfoutz. Gale ************* Here's what I have gathered on the children of Elder Martin Gaby - #2 - Susan (Susanna) Gaby (1767-1855) married Peter Pfoutz - lived in Montgomery Co OH (Don's line?) (4 children - 3 [Mary, Jacob, Susan] remained in Montgomery Co - one [Martin] came to Indiana - where?) #8 - Esther Gaby (1777-1849) married John (Johannes) Pfoutz - they lived in Maryland - Esther was buried at Union Bridge MD (Carroll Co), Johannes died at Johnsville MD (Frederick Co) (4 miles away), which would be the Beaver Dam Church (half way in between) -. (sons of Jacob Pfoutz/Mary Bach) ************ #4 - Isaac Gaby (1771- ) - m. Magdalena Frantz - to Botetourt Co VA - to Washington Co TN - 3 ch #5 - Jacob Gaby (1772-1826) - m. Lydia Bashore - lived Berks Co PA - 7 ch #7 - Daniel Gaby (1776-1855) - m. Susanna Schneider - lived Berks Co PA #10 - Salome Gaby (1781-1867) - m. Daniel Fiant - to Indiana Territory - to Fayette Co IN I do not have much information on: #1 - Catherine (1766-1855) married a Stump #3 - Abraham (1769-1830) - 1/m - Elizabeth Schneider 2/m Catherine Rauts #6 - Mary (1774- #9 - Martin Jr (1779 married Susan Traut #11 - Elizabeth (1783- #13 - Solomon (1787- married Elizabeth Price - a note on the #12 John Gaby (1785-c1835) - married Hannah - came to Indiana - lived near #10 Salome Gaby Fiant - in 1816 record - lived west of Brownsville His only child on whom I have information was Susannah - (1st ch?) born 9 June 1802 - in Maryland John was born 15 Mar 1785 - which would make him just 17 years old when Susannah was born also, he was not living up in Berks Co PA, but down in Frederick Co/Carroll Co MD at the time. (with or near his sister Esther?) John's wife - Hannah - is somewhat older than he (1820 Census - born between 1770 and 1780) - or the decade older than John. I really would like to know who she was - I suggest that we investigate the marriages in Frederick Co MD - about 1802, when John got married - probably there. Now - why was he with his sister, instead of up at his home? An answer - could be why my ancestress - gr gr grandmother and her twin sister were living with an aunt - 50 miles from home - when each of them had a baby (at 16 - out of wedlock). Back then, family shipped a "problem" to another community (family connection) to avoid too much gossip. (my mother's aunt told her to tell me - to "shut my mouth!" - when I asked) And John's father was Elder Michael Gaby! just cogitating - need info Merle

---------------------------------------- The names and birth dates of Elder Martin & Susanna (Price) Gaby Sr.'s children was published in Brethren Roots, summer issue 2004, p 40. In order they were Catharine, Susan, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob Mary, Daniel, Esther, Martin Jr., Salome, Elizabeth, John and Solomon born between 1766 and 1787. Gale *************** Thanks Gale - I pulled my copy out of file - I had some information previously - from various sources, including the internet - it did mean re-arranging the order of the children - it eliminated a Peter that someone had added - it added a Mary and Elizabeth - of whom I have no information for me - it gives solution to the John Gaby problem - John Gaby, son of Elder Michael Gaby came out here to Indiana Territory - - Salome Gaby, dau of Elder Michael Gaby, married Daniel Fiant came out here to Indiana Territory - about 1802 - or just after they were married - brother and sister - with families - probably came out together John Gaby first lived a little west of now Brownsville IN - just west of the Whitewater River or likely on the path from Dayton OH to the John Conner Trading Post (now Connersville IN) Daniel and Salome (Gaby) Fiant - settled on the Delaware Indian Road - "Fiant's Ford" - crossing of the Whitewater River - north of Brownsville, at Yankeetown IN both moved west to near Springerville, Fayette Co IN - Daniel Fiant's farm was about 1 mile north of Springerville, and the next mile west ....Daniel and Salome were buried on the hill on the SE corner of the farm - stones are still there the New Bethel Brethren Church was at the crossroads, NW corner of their property (recently burnt down) it was served from the Four Mile Church - monthly services - Elder Carey Toney/Elder Cornelius Petry ....I found a picture of it - is included in my 200th Anniversary of the Four Mile Church (www.cobnet.org) [on wonder - with two main families - children of Elder Martin Gaby - Oley Church] the 1820 Census (I'll have to look up - whether I got it from Wayne Co IN or Franklin Co IN) gave John Gaby as born between 1780 and 1790 - the letter gives 15 Mar 1785 it gave his wife Hannah as the next decade older than John it gave 1 son and 7 daughters I had found 3 of the daughters Susannah GABY......m. 25 Sep 1825......Richard STRONG (MD) b. 9 Jun 1802 MD....................................b. 15 Jun 1790 VA d. 19 Nov 1883 Faayette Co IN.............d. 15 Feb 1848 Fayette Co IN bur: Stong Cemetery/family farm............bur: Strong Cemetery f. John Gaby m. Hannah ..................................m. Union Co IN ch: (14 ch - youngest -Nancy -born 3 weeks after Richard's death) Hannah Gaby lived with Susannah, after death of John lived: Lyons Station, Waterloo twp, Fayette Co IN - east of Fiants (I have family information on these children) Lydia GABY.........m. 1821.......................David STEVENSON b.....1804 d......1912 no more information - cannot locate Rachel GABY......m. 1829........................Henry HUBBARD b......1808 d.......1885 no more information - cannot locate I have now gotten some information from a descendent family of an eighth daughter (still exploring) Ada GABY...........m. 1844.......................William SIMPSON 2/w b........1822 d........1886 lived Springerville IN (or a mile or so south of the Strong Farm. [this family contacted me - are real interested in the family - no idea of our Brethren history] still 4 daughters and a son to find - Merle C Rummel

Merle, The names and birth dates of Elder Martin & Susanna (Price) Gaby Sr.'s children was published in Brethren Roots, summer issue 2004, p 40. In order they were Catharine, Susan, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob Mary, Daniel, Esther, Martin Jr., Salome, Elizabeth, John and Solomon born between 1766 and 1787. Gale ----- Original Message ----- From: "Merle Rummel" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 6:46 AM Subject: [BRE] Martin Gaby Jr > I've am looking for information on sons of Elder Martin Gaby - Martin > Gaby > Jr and John- > > The Four Mile Church had two early settlers on the Whitewater river, on > the > west edge of the "Gore" of Indiana Territory... > > One was Daniel Fiant (wife: Salome Gaby - youngest daughter of Elder > Martin > Gaby) - who settled where the Delaware Indian Road, near now Yankeetown. > > Another was John Gaby (wife: Hannah) - south of Daniel Fiant. > > both families moved west into Fayette Co IN about 1834, after the 20 Mile > Purchase - near Springerville IN. > > John has been suggested as son of Martin Gaby Jr - but if my dates are > near > correct - this is not probable: > > Martin GABY Jr................m......................Susan TRAUT > b........c1768- > > John GABY......(c1781-c1835)...m.................Hannah... > > the suggested birth dates of John and Martin are only 13 years apart > > Is John Gaby - here - the son of Elder Martin Gaby? > > Merle C Rummel

I've am looking for information on sons of Elder Martin Gaby - Martin Gaby Jr and John- The Four Mile Church had two early settlers on the Whitewater river, on the west edge of the "Gore" of Indiana Territory... One was Daniel Fiant (wife: Salome Gaby - youngest daughter of Elder Martin Gaby) - who settled where the Delaware Indian Road, near now Yankeetown. Another was John Gaby (wife: Hannah) - south of Daniel Fiant. both families moved west into Fayette Co IN about 1834, after the 20 Mile Purchase - near Springerville IN. John has been suggested as son of Martin Gaby Jr - but if my dates are near correct - this is not probable: Martin GABY Jr................m......................Susan TRAUT b........c1768- John GABY......(c1781-c1835)...m.................Hannah... the suggested birth dates of John and Martin are only 13 years apart Is John Gaby - here - the son of Elder Martin Gaby? Merle C Rummel

Thank You !!! Thank You !!! Linda...... !!!! I have been an avid family tombstone collector for many, many years.... have been going back through many years of photos scanning & posting at several different spots.... AGAIN .... Thank You... Jan Sanford, Fort Calhoun, Nebraska ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Houyouse" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 8:26 AM Subject: [BRE] Stump tombstones > Pictures of Adam and Lydia Stump's tombstones and several other stones > were added to Ohiogravestones.org last evening. I have been using this > format instead of Findagrave because a larger file size is allowed and > you can print a larger picture. Right click on the picture and save it > to your hard drive (in My Documents or whereever you want). They > approve each submission so they may not appear online until the > beginning of next week. You would select Columbiana County and Moultrie > Cemetery. Linda Houyouse > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1375 / Virus Database: 1500/3637 - Release Date: 05/14/11 >

Pictures of Adam and Lydia Stump's tombstones and several other stones were added to Ohiogravestones.org last evening. I have been using this format instead of Findagrave because a larger file size is allowed and you can print a larger picture. Right click on the picture and save it to your hard drive (in My Documents or whereever you want). They approve each submission so they may not appear online until the beginning of next week. You would select Columbiana County and Moultrie Cemetery. Linda Houyouse

Jan, I'm not familiar with the procedures for Find A Grave, so I am not a contributor to that website. Maybe someday, but not yet. David On Fri, 13 May 2011 07:35:41 -0500 "Jan Sanford" <[email protected]> writes: > How about putting the stone photo up on findagrave,com....????? so > everyone > may see it ??? > Thanks, Jan Sanford > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Myers" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 10:38 PM > Subject: [BRE] Adam Stump (1818-1896) > > > > The question about the birth and death dates for Adam Stump has > been > > resolved. Linda Houyouse was kind enough to send me a photo of > the > > headstone for Adam Stump. The following is the transcription. > > > > > > Adam > > Stump > > Died > > May 16, 1896 > > Aged > > 78 Y. 2 M. 13 D. > > > > > > This translates to a birth date of 3 Mar 1818, which is the date > listed > > in the family bible and in "Alexander Mack the Tunker and > Descendants" -- > > Rev. Freeman Ankrum (1943). > > > > David Myers ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210

Merle, I believe that I can resolve most of your questions. 1. The Stump family bible (photo via Linda Houyouse e-mail) says, "Adam Son of Benjamin and Mary Stump." This may be new information for you. 2. The birth date you have for Catharine (Stump) Longanecker most likely is wrong. "Alexander Mack the Tunker and Descendants" -- Rev. Freeman Ankrum (1943) has the dates as Nov. 7, 1815 and Nov. 15, 1879. Her age in the census isn't consistent but it fits better with a birth year of 1815 than with a birth year of 1818. 3. Lydia Longanecker (m. Adam Stump) and Samuel Longanecker (m. Catharine Stump) were gr-gr-grandchildren of Alexander Mack (1679-1735), through their mother, Sarah (Mack) Longanecker. David Myers On Fri, 13 May 2011 07:45:11 -0400 "Merle Rummel" <[email protected]> writes: > > Adam > Stump > Died > May 16, 1896 > Aged > 78 Y. 2 M. 13 D. > > This translates to a birth date of 3 Mar 1818, which is the date > listed > in the family bible and in "Alexander Mack the Tunker and > Descendants" -- > Rev. Freeman Ankrum (1943). > > ************* > > This means that I need better information on Adam Stump (admitted, > this is > not my direct line) - but is a collateral line here in Northern > Indiana. > > My information gave an unidentified first wife for Benjamin - but > this date > gives conflict to his sister, Catherine (born 28 Oct 1818, York Co > PA) and > places him as a son of the former "second" wife - Anna Spatz. (Adam > and > Catherine married brother and sister - Samuel and Lydia > Longenecker) > > Also, I am interested in the connection to Alexander Mack. Both of > this > line, and that of the minister, Francis Stump, who died in > Muhlenberg Co > KY. (I'm aware of Freeman Ankrum, but not of this book.) > > Merle C Rummel ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210

Adam Stump Died May 16, 1896 Aged 78 Y. 2 M. 13 D. This translates to a birth date of 3 Mar 1818, which is the date listed in the family bible and in "Alexander Mack the Tunker and Descendants" -- Rev. Freeman Ankrum (1943). ************* This means that I need better information on Adam Stump (admitted, this is not my direct line) - but is a collateral line here in Northern Indiana. My information gave an unidentified first wife for Benjamin - but this date gives conflict to his sister, Catherine (born 28 Oct 1818, York Co PA) and places him as a son of the former "second" wife - Anna Spatz. (Adam and Catherine married brother and sister - Samuel and Lydia Longenecker) Also, I am interested in the connection to Alexander Mack. Both of this line, and that of the minister, Francis Stump, who died in Muhlenberg Co KY. (I'm aware of Freeman Ankrum, but not of this book.) Merle C Rummel

How about putting the stone photo up on findagrave,com....????? so everyone may see it ??? Thanks, Jan Sanford ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Myers" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 10:38 PM Subject: [BRE] Adam Stump (1818-1896) > The question about the birth and death dates for Adam Stump has been > resolved. Linda Houyouse was kind enough to send me a photo of the > headstone for Adam Stump. The following is the transcription. > > > Adam > Stump > Died > May 16, 1896 > Aged > 78 Y. 2 M. 13 D. > > > This translates to a birth date of 3 Mar 1818, which is the date listed > in the family bible and in "Alexander Mack the Tunker and Descendants" -- > Rev. Freeman Ankrum (1943). > > David Myers > ____________________________________________________________ > Penny Stock Jumping 3000% > Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4dccaa9e3ae454b1fcm07vuc > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1375 / Virus Database: 1500/3633 - Release Date: 05/12/11 >

The question about the birth and death dates for Adam Stump has been resolved. Linda Houyouse was kind enough to send me a photo of the headstone for Adam Stump. The following is the transcription. Adam Stump Died May 16, 1896 Aged 78 Y. 2 M. 13 D. This translates to a birth date of 3 Mar 1818, which is the date listed in the family bible and in "Alexander Mack the Tunker and Descendants" -- Rev. Freeman Ankrum (1943). David Myers ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Jumping 3000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4dccaa9e3ae454b1fcm07vuc

Thank you, Ruth, for your account of Franz Graff (Grove) of Grosswinternheim who immigrated in 1748. Are you familiar with the religion of this family after they immigrated? The Franz Graff family that I am studying is the one from Rafz, Canton of Zurich, Switzerland. Franz Graff (1734-1819) immigrated at age 10 with his mother Verena [Neukomm] and his siblings in 1744 and settled thereafter in Rapho Township, Lancaster County. Some of his children became members of the Conestoga Brethren Congregation. Franz's second wife was Eva Hamacher, Brethren, whose father, Adam Hamacher, was a minister at Great Swatara Creek in 1770. This Franz Graff family is one of five Graff families that I have found who came over as Mennonites, but who had family members who joined the Brethren after settling in Pennsylvania. The other four Graff families were descended from Mennonite Graff families of Bäretswil, Canton of Zurich, Switzerland. Three of these Graff families joined Beissel's Ephrata Community with some of the children subsequently joining the Conestoga Brethren. The fourth Graff family (Groh, Grove) had Brethren connections at Little Swatara Creek. I am writing a short article for this October's issue of Mennonite Family History on Graff emigrants whose immediate family members became Brethren and, so far, have only found five such families. There are no doubt others that I don't know about at this juncture. Dwayne Wrightsman -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ruth Hoese Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 3:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] Who was the father of John Groff of theBermudian Brethren? Also Wolf, Ostermann, Leymeister I have finally returned and looked up the information I promised. The first quote is from the Adam Wise Family book edited and published by Kathryn Swim Cummings and Rachel Jones Hayward , Salt Lake City, UT, 1998. The quote is a quote of a passage from the book Rhineland Emigrants -List of German Settlers in Colonial America, edited by Don Yoder and published by Genealogical Publishing Co., no date given. The next is church records from Grosswinterheim which I published in my Words to the Wise newsletter March 1995. Long, but it may help some of you. "Franz Graff, (Grove) with his wife and two children, Bartel Kramer with wife and five children, Adam Weiss with his wife, all of Grosswinternheim and Wilhelm Leymeister with wife and children from Schwabenheim, were permitted to emigrate on payment of the tithe (tenth penny) on March 9, 1748l On the same date the propertyless residents (Beissassen) Wolfgang Wolf and Hostermann (?) of Grosswinterheim, were manumitted gratis. They landed at Philadelphia - Franz Grove, Johann Wilhelm Leymeister, Wolfgang Wulff, Hans Jacob Ostermann, and Johan Adam Weiss - on the ship Hampshire, September 7, 1748 (Strassburger=Hinke List 118 A-C. List A gives Graff's age as 54, Wolf's as 36 and Ostermann's as 28" >From the Church records: (Note the first mention of Graff is 1747 with this 1747 6 Aug Marriage of Johann Adam Weiss & Maria Elizabetha Graff d/o of Franz Graff CHURCH NOTES FROM GROSS WINTERHEIM, RHEINISCH HESSEN, GERMANY Translated from LDS film #1475710 by DOROTHY AGRONICK, published in March 1995 Words to the Wise newsletter by Ruth J. Hoese, Editor. Dorothy sent me both the translated copy and a copy of the microfilm. How she did this without going blind I do not know! Dorothy what a magnificent work. Thanks for sharing it with us. 1663 28 Feb Apollonia d/o Johann Eckhart & Anna Margareta Weiss Sponsors: Johann Eckhard Linburg? & Apollonia 1665 8 Jan Elizabetha d/o Joh. Eckhart & Anna Margareta Weiss Sponsors: Elizabetha & Diet. Gerhard 1668 1 Jan Ana Christina d/o Joh. Eckhard & Anna Maria Weiss Sponsor: Margareta Schmitts 1669 1 Jan Ana Christina d/o Joh. Eckhard & Anna Maria Weiss Sponsors: Ana & Johann Gersters (?) 1671 22 Jan Johannes s/o Johann Eckhart & Anna Maria Weiss Sponsors: Johann Heid (s/o Andreas?) 1674 8 May Anna Barbara d/o Joh. Eckhard & Anna Maria Weiss Sponsors: Ana Barbara & John Sommers 1677 20 May Johann Peter s/o Joh. Eckhart and Anna Maria Weiss Sponsor: Johann Peter Schaub Note: in 1678 Joh. Eckhart & Anna Maria Weiss stood sponsors for Johann Eckhart Gerhard s/o Joh. Gerhard and Maria. 1678 28 Apr Joh. Jacob s/o Joh. Eckhart and Anna Maria Weiss Sponsor: Joh. Jacob Zilluff 1681 11 Jan Ana Barbara d/o Joh. Eckhart & Anna Maria Weiss Sponsor: Barbara Linburger? 1682 24 Sep Abraham s/o Joh. Eckhart & Anna Maria Weiss Sponsors: Abraham Hack? & Elizabeth Maria 1686 19 Jan Johann Frederich s/o Joh.Eckhart & Anna Maria Weiss Sponsor: Johann Pfeil? 1702 12 Jan Marriage of Abraham Weiss & Christina Margaretha Derst d/o Herman Derst 1703 21 Oct Johann Adreas s/o Abraham & Christina Weiss Sponsors: ?Englehard & Andreas Muller 1705 14 Jun Maria Birgitta d/o Abraham & Christina Weiss Sponsor: Maria Birgitta ? 1708 19 Apr Johann Jacob s/o Abraham & Christina Weiss Sponsors: Johann Jacob Faulhaber & Maria Catharina 1711 14 May Johanna Maria d/o Abraham & Christina Weiss Sponsors: Ana Maria & Andreas Schmitt 1713 13 Aug Anna Catharina d/o Abraham & Christina Weiss Sponsors: Anna Catharina & Johann Jacob Schmid 1717 27 Nov Johann George s/o Abraham & Christina Weiss Sponsor: Johann George Engelmann 1718 Confirmation of Maria Birgitta Weiss @ 14 1719 Confirmation of Adreas Weiss @ 14 1719 24 Oct Death of Anna Christina Margaretha Weiss @ 43 1/2 1720 1 Jan Death of Eckhard Weiss @ 85 1720 9 Jan Marriage of Abraham Weiss & Maria Juliana Gerhard 1720 13 Jan Death of Anna Maria Weiss w/o Eckhard @ 65 1721 19 Jan Johannes s/o Abraham & Maria Juliana Weiss Sponsor: Jeremias Ingelhem 1722 13 Jan Maria Salome d/o Abraham & Juliana Weiss Sponsor: Maria Salome Winterheimer 1724 20 Feb Johann Adam s/o Abraham & Maria Juliana Weiss Sponsor: Johann Adam Muller 1727 probable birth to Abraham & Maria Juliana Weiss Note: in 1727 Abraham & Maria Juliana Weiss stood sponsors for Juliana Muller d/o Johann Adam Muller & Anna Maria 1729 24 Oct Death of Anna Margareta d/o Abraham Weiss @1yr 10 mos. 1731 8 Feb Susanne d/o Abraham & Maria Juliana Weiss Sponsors: Paul Zilluff & Susanne 1733 Death of Abraham Weise- no age given 1733 24 Dec Johann Frederick s/o Abraham & Maria Juliana Weiss Sponsors: Johann Frederich Alsentz? & wife 1736 24 May Anna Christina d/o Abraham & Maria Juliana Weiss Sponsors: Joh. Valentine ?Airfind? & Anna Christina 1738 1 Sep Johann Balthasar s/o Abraham & Maria Juliana Weiss Sponsor: Johann Balthasar Gereth Note: In 1738 Abraham and Maria Juliana Weiss stood sponsors for Maria Juliana d/o Johann Balthasar and Anna Maria Gereth. 1739 18 Oct Anna Catharina d/o Abraham & Maria Julian Weiss Sponsor: Anna Catharina Weiss 1743 19 Jan Death of Anna Catharina d/o Abraham Weiss @3 1747 6 Aug Marriage of Johann Adam Weiss & Maria Elizabetha Graff d/o of Franz Graff 1748 7 May Andreas s/o Johann Adam Weiss ex uxor. Sponsor: Andreas Weiler et exor. 1750 16 Aug Death of Maria Salome Weiss @28 yrs 7 mos. 1753 30 Dec Death of Wilhem Weiss @8? yrs 1754 19 Mar Death of Johann Wilhelm Weiss @ 2 1754 6 Sep Death of Abraham Weiss @ 72 1758 1 Oct Death of Abraham Weiss's widow @ 63

I'm sorry but I've never researched anything on the Graff family beyond this. Ruth -----Original Message----- From: Dwayne Wrightsman Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 7:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] Graff Family Brethren Thank you, Ruth, for your account of Franz Graff (Grove) of Grosswinternheim who immigrated in 1748. Are you familiar with the religion of this family after they immigrated? The Franz Graff family that I am studying is the one from Rafz, Canton of Zurich, Switzerland. Franz Graff (1734-1819) immigrated at age 10 with his mother Verena [Neukomm] and his siblings in 1744 and settled thereafter in Rapho Township, Lancaster County. Some of his children became members of the Conestoga Brethren Congregation. Franz's second wife was Eva Hamacher, Brethren, whose father, Adam Hamacher, was a minister at Great Swatara Creek in 1770. This Franz Graff family is one of five Graff families that I have found who came over as Mennonites, but who had family members who joined the Brethren after settling in Pennsylvania. The other four Graff families were descended from Mennonite Graff families of Bäretswil, Canton of Zurich, Switzerland. Three of these Graff families joined Beissel's Ephrata Community with some of the children subsequently joining the Conestoga Brethren. The fourth Graff family (Groh, Grove) had Brethren connections at Little Swatara Creek. I am writing a short article for this October's issue of Mennonite Family History on Graff emigrants whose immediate family members became Brethren and, so far, have only found five such families. There are no doubt others that I don't know about at this juncture. Dwayne Wrightsman -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ruth Hoese Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 3:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] Who was the father of John Groff of theBermudian Brethren? Also Wolf, Ostermann, Leymeister I have finally returned and looked up the information I promised. The first quote is from the Adam Wise Family book edited and published by Kathryn Swim Cummings and Rachel Jones Hayward , Salt Lake City, UT, 1998. The quote is a quote of a passage from the book Rhineland Emigrants -List of German Settlers in Colonial America, edited by Don Yoder and published by Genealogical Publishing Co., no date given. The next is church records from Grosswinterheim which I published in my Words to the Wise newsletter March 1995. Long, but it may help some of you. "Franz Graff, (Grove) with his wife and two children, Bartel Kramer with wife and five children, Adam Weiss with his wife, all of Grosswinternheim and Wilhelm Leymeister with wife and children from Schwabenheim, were permitted to emigrate on payment of the tithe (tenth penny) on March 9, 1748l On the same date the propertyless residents (Beissassen) Wolfgang Wolf and Hostermann (?) of Grosswinterheim, were manumitted gratis. They landed at Philadelphia - Franz Grove, Johann Wilhelm Leymeister, Wolfgang Wulff, Hans Jacob Ostermann, and Johan Adam Weiss - on the ship Hampshire, September 7, 1748 (Strassburger=Hinke List 118 A-C. List A gives Graff's age as 54, Wolf's as 36 and Ostermann's as 28" >From the Church records: (Note the first mention of Graff is 1747 with this 1747 6 Aug Marriage of Johann Adam Weiss & Maria Elizabetha Graff d/o of Franz Graff CHURCH NOTES FROM GROSS WINTERHEIM, RHEINISCH HESSEN, GERMANY Translated from LDS film #1475710 by DOROTHY AGRONICK, published in March 1995 Words to the Wise newsletter by Ruth J. Hoese, Editor. Dorothy sent me both the translated copy and a copy of the microfilm. How she did this without going blind I do not know! Dorothy what a magnificent work. Thanks for sharing it with us. 1663 28 Feb Apollonia d/o Johann Eckhart & Anna Margareta Weiss Sponsors: Johann Eckhard Linburg? & Apollonia 1665 8 Jan Elizabetha d/o Joh. Eckhart & Anna Margareta Weiss Sponsors: Elizabetha & Diet. Gerhard 1668 1 Jan Ana Christina d/o Joh. Eckhard & Anna Maria Weiss Sponsor: Margareta Schmitts 1669 1 Jan Ana Christina d/o Joh. Eckhard & Anna Maria Weiss Sponsors: Ana & Johann Gersters (?) 1671 22 Jan Johannes s/o Johann Eckhart & Anna Maria Weiss Sponsors: Johann Heid (s/o Andreas?) 1674 8 May Anna Barbara d/o Joh. Eckhard & Anna Maria Weiss Sponsors: Ana Barbara & John Sommers 1677 20 May Johann Peter s/o Joh. Eckhart and Anna Maria Weiss Sponsor: Johann Peter Schaub Note: in 1678 Joh. Eckhart & Anna Maria Weiss stood sponsors for Johann Eckhart Gerhard s/o Joh. Gerhard and Maria. 1678 28 Apr Joh. Jacob s/o Joh. Eckhart and Anna Maria Weiss Sponsor: Joh. Jacob Zilluff 1681 11 Jan Ana Barbara d/o Joh. Eckhart & Anna Maria Weiss Sponsor: Barbara Linburger? 1682 24 Sep Abraham s/o Joh. Eckhart & Anna Maria Weiss Sponsors: Abraham Hack? & Elizabeth Maria 1686 19 Jan Johann Frederich s/o Joh.Eckhart & Anna Maria Weiss Sponsor: Johann Pfeil? 1702 12 Jan Marriage of Abraham Weiss & Christina Margaretha Derst d/o Herman Derst 1703 21 Oct Johann Adreas s/o Abraham & Christina Weiss Sponsors: ?Englehard & Andreas Muller 1705 14 Jun Maria Birgitta d/o Abraham & Christina Weiss Sponsor: Maria Birgitta ? 1708 19 Apr Johann Jacob s/o Abraham & Christina Weiss Sponsors: Johann Jacob Faulhaber & Maria Catharina 1711 14 May Johanna Maria d/o Abraham & Christina Weiss Sponsors: Ana Maria & Andreas Schmitt 1713 13 Aug Anna Catharina d/o Abraham & Christina Weiss Sponsors: Anna Catharina & Johann Jacob Schmid 1717 27 Nov Johann George s/o Abraham & Christina Weiss Sponsor: Johann George Engelmann 1718 Confirmation of Maria Birgitta Weiss @ 14 1719 Confirmation of Adreas Weiss @ 14 1719 24 Oct Death of Anna Christina Margaretha Weiss @ 43 1/2 1720 1 Jan Death of Eckhard Weiss @ 85 1720 9 Jan Marriage of Abraham Weiss & Maria Juliana Gerhard 1720 13 Jan Death of Anna Maria Weiss w/o Eckhard @ 65 1721 19 Jan Johannes s/o Abraham & Maria Juliana Weiss Sponsor: Jeremias Ingelhem 1722 13 Jan Maria Salome d/o Abraham & Juliana Weiss Sponsor: Maria Salome Winterheimer 1724 20 Feb Johann Adam s/o Abraham & Maria Juliana Weiss Sponsor: Johann Adam Muller 1727 probable birth to Abraham & Maria Juliana Weiss Note: in 1727 Abraham & Maria Juliana Weiss stood sponsors for Juliana Muller d/o Johann Adam Muller & Anna Maria 1729 24 Oct Death of Anna Margareta d/o Abraham Weiss @1yr 10 mos. 1731 8 Feb Susanne d/o Abraham & Maria Juliana Weiss Sponsors: Paul Zilluff & Susanne 1733 Death of Abraham Weise- no age given 1733 24 Dec Johann Frederick s/o Abraham & Maria Juliana Weiss Sponsors: Johann Frederich Alsentz? & wife 1736 24 May Anna Christina d/o Abraham & Maria Juliana Weiss Sponsors: Joh. Valentine ?Airfind? & Anna Christina 1738 1 Sep Johann Balthasar s/o Abraham & Maria Juliana Weiss Sponsor: Johann Balthasar Gereth Note: In 1738 Abraham and Maria Juliana Weiss stood sponsors for Maria Juliana d/o Johann Balthasar and Anna Maria Gereth. 1739 18 Oct Anna Catharina d/o Abraham & Maria Julian Weiss Sponsor: Anna Catharina Weiss 1743 19 Jan Death of Anna Catharina d/o Abraham Weiss @3 1747 6 Aug Marriage of Johann Adam Weiss & Maria Elizabetha Graff d/o of Franz Graff 1748 7 May Andreas s/o Johann Adam Weiss ex uxor. Sponsor: Andreas Weiler et exor. 1750 16 Aug Death of Maria Salome Weiss @28 yrs 7 mos. 1753 30 Dec Death of Wilhem Weiss @8? yrs 1754 19 Mar Death of Johann Wilhelm Weiss @ 2 1754 6 Sep Death of Abraham Weiss @ 72 1758 1 Oct Death of Abraham Weiss's widow @ 63 ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have finally returned and looked up the information I promised. The first quote is from the Adam Wise Family book edited and published by Kathryn Swim Cummings and Rachel Jones Hayward , Salt Lake City, UT, 1998. The quote is a quote of a passage from the book Rhineland Emigrants -List of German Settlers in Colonial America, edited by Don Yoder and published by Genealogical Publishing Co., no date given. The next is church records from Grosswinterheim which I published in my Words to the Wise newsletter March 1995. Long, but it may help some of you. "Franz Graff, (Grove) with his wife and two children, Bartel Kramer with wife and five children, Adam Weiss with his wife, all of Grosswinternheim and Wilhelm Leymeister with wife and children from Schwabenheim, were permitted to emingrate on payment of the tithe (tenth penny) on March 9, 1748l On the same date the propertyless residents (Beissassen) Wolfgang Wolf and Hostermann (?) of Grosswinterheim, were manumitted gratis. They landed at Philadelphia - Franz Grove, Johann Wilhelm Leymeister, Wolfgang Wulff, Hans Jacob Ostermann, and Johan Adam Weiss - on the ship Hampshire, September 7, 1748 (Strassburger=Hinke List 118 A-C. List A gives Graff's age as 54, Wolf's as 36 and Ostermann's as 28" >From the Church records: (Note the first mention of Graff is 1747 with this 1747 6 Aug Marriage of Johann Adam Weiss & Maria Elizabetha Graff d/o of Franz Graff CHURCH NOTES FROM GROSS WINTERHEIM, RHEINISCH HESSEN, GERMANY Translated from LDS film #1475710 by DOROTHY AGRONICK, published in March 1995 Words to the Wise newsletter by Ruth J. Hoese, Editor. Dorothy sent me both the translated copy and a copy of the microfilm. How she did this without going blind I do not know! Dorothy what a magnificent work. Thanks for sharing it with us. 1663 28 Feb Apollonia d/o Johann Eckhart & Anna Margareta Weiss Sponsors: Johann Eckhard Linburg? & Apollonia 1665 8 Jan Elizabetha d/o Joh. Eckhart & Anna Margareta Weiss Sponsors: Elizabetha & Diet. Gerhard 1668 1 Jan Ana Christina d/o Joh. Eckhard & Anna Maria Weiss Sponsor: Margareta Schmitts 1669 1 Jan Ana Christina d/o Joh. Eckhard & Anna Maria Weiss Sponsors: Ana & Johann Gersters (?) 1671 22 Jan Johannes s/o Johann Eckhart & Anna Maria Weiss Sponsors: Johann Heid (s/o Andreas?) 1674 8 May Anna Barbara d/o Joh. Eckhard & Anna Maria Weiss Sponsors: Ana Barbara & John Sommers 1677 20 May Johann Peter s/o Joh. Eckhart and Anna Maria Weiss Sponsor: Johann Peter Schaub Note: in 1678 Joh. Eckhart & Anna Maria Weiss stood sponsors for Johann Eckhart Gerhard s/o Joh. Gerhard and Maria. 1678 28 Apr Joh. Jacob s/o Joh. Eckhart and Anna Maria Weiss Sponsor: Joh. Jacob Zilluff 1681 11 Jan Ana Barbara d/o Joh. Eckhart & Anna Maria Weiss Sponsor: barbara Linburger? 1682 24 Sep Abraham s/o Joh. Eckhart & Anna Maria Weiss Sponsors: Abraham Hack? & Elizabeth Maria 1686 19 Jan Johann Frederich s/o Joh.Eckhart & Anna Maria Weiss Sponsor: Johann Pfeil? 1702 12 Jan Marriage of Abraham Weiss & Christina Margaretha Derst d/o Herman Derst 1703 21 Oct Johann Adreas s/o Abraham & Christina Weiss Sponsors: ?Englehard & Andreas Muller 1705 14 Jun Maria Birgitta d/o Abraham & Christina Weiss Sponsor: Maria Birgitta ? 1708 19 Apr Johann Jacob s/o Abraham & Christina Weiss Sponsors: Johann Jacob Faulhaber & Maria Catharina 1711 14 May Johanna Maria d/o Abraham & Christina Weiss Sponsors: Ana Maria & Andreas Schmitt 1713 13 Aug Anna Catharina d/o Abraham & Christina Weiss Sponsors: Anna Catharina & Johann Jacob Schmid 1717 27 Nov Johann George s/o Abraham & Christina Weiss Sponsor: Johann George Engelmann 1718 Confirmation of Maria Birgitta Weiss @ 14 1719 Confirmation of Adreas Weiss @ 14 1719 24 Oct Death of Anna Christina Margaretha Weiss @ 43 1/2 1720 1 Jan Death of Eckhard Weiss @ 85 1720 9 Jan Marriage of Abraham Weiss & Maria Juliana Gerhard 1720 13 Jan Death of Anna Maria Weiss w/o Eckhard @ 65 1721 19 Jan Johannes s/o Abraham & Maria Juliana Weiss Sponsor: Jeremias Ingelhem 1722 13 Jan Maria Salome d/o Abraham & Juliana Weiss Sponsor: Maria Salome Winterheimer 1724 20 Feb Johann Adam s/o Abraham & Maria Juliana Weiss Sponsor: Johann Adam Muller 1727 probable birth to Abraham & Maria Juliana Weiss Note: in 1727 Abraham & Maria Juliana Weiss stood sponsors for Juliana Muller d/o Johann Adam Muller & Anna Maria 1729 24 Oct Death of Anna Margareta d/o Abraham Weiss @1yr 10 mos. 1731 8 Feb Susanne d/o Abraham & Maria Juliana Weiss Sponsors: Paul Zilluff & Susanne 1733 Death of Abraham Weise- no age given 1733 24 Dec Johann Frederick s/o Abraham & Maria Juliana Weiss Sponsors: Johann Frederich Alsentz? & wife 1736 24 May Anna Christina d/o Abraham & Maria Juliana Weiss Sponsors: Joh. Valentine ?Airfind? & Anna Christina 1738 1 Sep Johann Balthasar s/o Abraham & Maria Juliana Weiss Sponsor: Johann Balthasar Gereth Note: In 1738 Abraham and Maria Juliana Weiss stood sponsors for Maria Juliana d/o Johann Balthasar and Anna Maria Gereth. 1739 18 Oct Anna Catharina d/o Abraham & Maria Julian Weiss Sponsor: Anna Catharina Weiss 1743 19 Jan Death of Anna Catharina d/o Abraham Weiss @3 1747 6 Aug Marriage of Johann Adam Weiss & Maria Elizabetha Graff d/o of Franz Graff 1748 7 May Andreas s/o Johann Adam Weiss ex uxor. Sponsor: Andreas Weiler et exor. 1750 16 Aug Death of Maria Salome Weiss @28 yrs 7 mos. 1753 30 Dec Death of Wilhem Weiss @8? yrs 1754 19 Mar Death of Johann Wilhelm Weiss @ 2 1754 6 Sep Death of Abraham Weiss @ 72 1758 1 Oct Death of Abraham Weiss's widow @ 63

Merle: I find this quite interesting. You have Maria Catherina married to Martin Guntrum. Most genealogies have her married to my ancestor Alexander Thomas. I do have records that show the name of Alexander's wife is Catherine (from deeds), and that her last name was Beshore (from her son's death certificate), but nothing that ties her to Johann Georg Boshaar. There were a number of Catherine Beshore's from this period. Do you recall the source of this information? I have found that much of the information on Alexander Thomas is as bogus as a three-dollar bill, and his wife's connection to Johann Georg may be another example. Bill Thomas -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Merle Rummel Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 6:46 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] Stump Beshore etc & Beeghley question My notes say that an article in Mennonite Family History dated October 2009 on p 202 discusses the family of Maria Catherina Stump Boshaar (c1719-aft 1785) and Johann Georg Boshaar (1716-c1786). I have that they married in 1742 in Tulpehocken, Lancaster Co., PA and had 8 children. I only have listed the name of one (John). ***************** I was waiting for someone in the family line to answer - this is not my direct line - I have taken this from other sources - so I cannot guarantee any data - Maria Catherine STUMP.......m. 1738.............Johann George BOSHAAR b...........1721 Schoharie Co NY....................... b. 17 Mar 1717 Schoharie Co NY d. 16 Mar 1785 Berks Co PA..........................d..............1786 Berks Co PA ....................................................................bur: Bethel twp, Berks Co PA f. Johan George Stump.....................................f. Hans Jacob Boshaar m. Elizabeth Reubling.......................................m. Anna Catherina Margaretha Bauman ch: ....Maria Catherina............................m. 1772, Martin Guntrum.......................Lancaster Co PA ....Maria Elizabeth....(..........-1824) ?nm ....Johan Jacob.........( 1740-1815) m. c1766, Christina Alderfer.................Berks Co PA ....Catherine Elizabeth..(c1742-d/inf) ....Johannes..............(1750-1778)....m. c1770, Elizabeth Swartz....killed by Indians, Northumberland Co PA ....Daniel...................( 1752-1822)...m. 1772, Anna Maria Wolfe ....Magdalena...........(1755- ....George.................(c1758- ....Michael................(1760-c1842)...m. 1785, Margaret Rettig......................Berkley Co (W)Va George Boshaar - Brethren Minister Johan Jacob Boshaar - Brethren Minister George Stump lived at Neu-Heesberg, Schoharie Valley in New York - after the 1709-10 migration. ....in 17 does someone have data to add to or correct mine? Merle C Rummel ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message