Some of the Harter family were also among the early Wabash County Brethren. Joseph Harter (m. Elizabeth Brower) moved there from Preble County, Ohio, in 1836 and was the first pastor of the North Manchester church. A year later Joseph's nephew, Israel Harter, joined him and in 1851 succeeded him as presiding elder of the church. There were a couple of marriages to Millers within these two families, but I have not pursued their possible connection to the family being discussed. Bob Harter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Merle Rummel" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [BRE] Parke County Millers .......> > The migration from the Four Mile to "Wabash Country" (Parke Co and north) > started > about 1820 (when Indian lands opened across the southern part of the > state of Indiana). Tobias Miller, son of Potter John, was one of hte > early ones. Several more of the Miller family went in 1823. > .......

Could someone please provide the correct birth/death dates for John William Cripe (Sr.) and also his parents. Thank you! Pat J.

Merle, I think I've figured out the major problem with the Miller/Capper marriage. You have stated that this marriage info came from Gertrude Mann, VA historian. But while another very old msg of yours speaks of Gertrude sending you a copy of the marriage record for Barbara Lybrook and Jacob Kingery, there has been no mention that she sent you a document for Col John and Nancy. Familysearch.org, the site I've referred to, contains the abstracted records [from original documents] from the LDS library in Salt Lake City. On this site I find the Barbara Lybrook/Jacob Kinsey [note misspelling] marriage of 2-12-1801. From this information I could easily order a copy of the original doc. With early marriage recs, I will often find up to 3 documents for a single marriage - the marriage bond, a marriage consent if the bride or groom is a minor, and the marriage license. If you check the Statistics page from our site http://hatcherfamilyassn.com/browsetrees.php you will note I've uploaded 1300+ original documents and nearly 3600 tombstone photos used to verify our family data. Documentation is the primary goal of our Hatcher researchers and we work very hard at it. This morning I did another search on ancestry and found a marriage reference for a John Miller and Nancy Capper. But this reference came from the <http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=7836&enc=1> /U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900 /collection, a source not considered primary documentation by professional genealogists because of the secondary sources used to collect this information as shown below. * Source Information:* Yates Publishing. /U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900/ [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004. Original data: This unique collection of records was extracted from a variety of sources including family group sheets and electronic databases. Originally, the information was derived from an array of materials including pedigree charts, family history articles, etc. Here is the info for Nancy and John from this dbase. Nancy Capper Female [bn] 1777 Ir [md] 1800 John Miller [bn] 1778 MD Notice that no county or state is provided for this marriage and the results for VA marriages compiled from official marriages do not include this marriage. It would appear that someone upon finding this information has decided this marriage must have occurred in Franklin, VA, even tho no evidence of this marriage has been found in the VA county/state archives. In short, family group sheets and family histories can't be considered as reliable sources but should only be considered as a clue. Going back to the census recs, the recs for the only person who could be Col John shows he had children born before 1800. And that also conflicts with this 1800 marriage. So that's why I can't rule out Col John as father of my Wm. But you are quite correct that internet data can be confusing and conflicting, particularly with a common name like Miller and the number of people so willing to simply copy someone else's garbage that compounds the problem. At the same time the genealogy community has been blessed with more and more state and county archives uploading original records online. No one has done a better job than the LVA but also TN, NC, SC, MO, IN, KY, and now the LDS. So, yes, some very fine research can now be done on the net but without question there will always be those times when it is necessary to go directly to these archives to get access to important records. Nel HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm ... Digging up the Dead ... .. Irritating the Living .. ... It's what I do best! ... On 5/29/2011 8:25 PM, Merle Rummel wrote: > > First, I would like to ask a quick question of everyone. I'm interested > in hearing from anyone who had family in 1840 WashingtonCo, IN. > Washington Co may be my key to solving my mystery. > --------------------- > I've done a study of the Brethren Churches of far southern Indiana - > included in my Kentucky Study - yes, there was one in Washington Co IN, > south of Salem on the Blue River. The Wright families there were leaders > in the formation of the Church of Christ (recorded as originally Brethren > Preachers from Carolina). The Brethren Churches (5-6 of them near the > Buffalo Trace - to near Bedford IN) The Adam Miller Family (1791 married > Hannah Sheets - son of Casper) came there in 1824 from Rowan Co NC. Adam's > son William (1806-1884) married first Elizabeth Winkler (1833) then Acenith > Sill (1847). He remained in Washington Co IN - he ran a wagon freight line > down to Louisville. > > One that might apply is the David Miller family (son of Peter Muller). > David was a Brethren minister, came from Washington Co PA to Shelby Co KY > (Brashear creek) about 1795, and moved up to Clark Co IN in 1814. David > had a son William, born 1801, and I have nothing more on him (have on all > the rest of the children). Washington Co was formed from Clark Co - and > some of these families were there at the change. Also, the "Buffalo Trace" > from Louisville to Vincennes (General Clark's Army route) went almost > directly from the Brethren church area in Clark Co (south of New > Washington), past the Brethren families in Washington Co as it went west. > > The Brethren Families in Washington Co IN that I have identified include > Nathan Buchanan (minister, m. Rebecca Wright); David Colglazier (m. Cynthia > May); Philip Copple (m. Anna Wrigt); Daniel Hardman (m. Elizabeth > Leatherman); Adam Miller (m. Hannah Sheets); Adam Ribble (wife unknown); > son John Ribble (minister, wife Margaret Streit); Joseph Ribble (m. > Catherine Philips); William Ribble (m. Elizabeth Berkey); Amos Wright > (minister of Revival, 1/m Elizabeth Lowe, 2/m Margaret Davis); John Wright > (minister of Revival, 1/m Peggy Wolfescale, 2/m Nancy Perlee); Levi Wright > (minister, m. Nancy Ross); Peter Wright (minister, 1/m Rachel Wood, 2/m > Margaret Moore); Philberd Wright (minister of Revival, 1/m Mary Sears, 2/m > Elizabeth Devan); Andrew Sheets (m. Sarah Stutzman); Most of these came > from the Carolinas to Kentucky and up to Indiana. These were the families > I identified as Brethren, there were connected families that I have not > included. I have visited down that area - and done some research there. > > *********************** > You wrote: > "Col John MIller married Nancy Capper - 1 Jan 1800 in Franklin Co VA - > from family informations they had 6 children: Martin (1802); John > (1805); Thomas (1807); Elizabeth (1808); Mary 1811); and Benjamin (1815). > " > > This "marriage" is a major problem for me. I have searched several > reliable dbases [familysearch, ancestry, etc] and can find no source for > this marriage anywhere. > ------------------- > I obtained the information on Col John Miller from our Union Co Records at > the Library at Liberty IN and from one main member of the family. I will > verify that it was accurate, and that the sources agreed with one another. > I have been to Col John's house,and those of his children who lived here. > Let me add, that Nancy Capper was born in Ireland, came to Virginia, to > Franklin Co VA. The marriage was in Franklin Co VA records, that I > verified with Gertrude Mann.(local historian there, now deceased). > > Most of my research was NOT from the internet - was done long before it > existed. I was in direct correspondence with (even visited) Gertrude Mann, > a major authority there in Franklin Co VA. She and I frequently compared > information that she found, that was connected to these families that came > to the Four Mile. I had papers and information from her and a number of > other sources - 30-40 years ago - when I was working on my wife's families, > which devolved into researching the origins of the Four Mile Church because > of the normal "problem" we Brethren had, repeated intermarriages in the > church families (and so often they were kin).. Much of this information I > doubt if I can now find. Some might still be in my filing cabinet. > > *********************** > > There are 4 John Millers md in FranklinCo, VA - to Phebe McClure 1792, > Hester Brower 1798, Margaret Turpin 1789 and Susannah Scott 1789. > --------------------- > George Chapman Miller (a cousin of Potter John, who lived back in Virginia) > stated that there were 5 Miller brothers, all brethren ministers, who came > down the valley to Franklin Co (Patricia Johnson "Elder Jacob Miller") - > those known are: Elder Jacob, Tobias (m. Barbara Brower) and Baltzer. > research in Franklin Co seems to indicate that the other two were Daniel > and Isaac. (Baltzer's Will includes a sister: Catherine.) > > "Potter" John Miller married Phoebe McClure. She was the daughter of > Halbert McClure and Mary Henderson, full sister to Isabella McClure, who > married William Crawford (Potter John's best friend - they lived about a > mile south, almost to Col John's place) and half sister to Sarah Henderson > (dau of Samuel Henderson and Mary (Henderson) McClure) who married Potter > John's brother Tobias Miller, and lived a half mile west of Potter John) - > all here in then Franklin Co IN (now Union Co). > > I have done little to trace the brothers of Elder Jacob Miller. Only two > of Tobias Miller's children have records, and they followed the Franklin > County families on the Kanawha Trace coming this way, but went only to near > Gallipolis OH, did not come on out here. The possible Daniel Miller and > Isaac Miller both went to Tennessee, if I understand correctly. > > Might I point out, that there is considerable confusions on the various > internet data. I have used it only during the last couple years (the > Kentucky Book) - I have mostly gone to original research (and I do know how > to do it - I have 2 Master's degrees and actually completed a third (an > error in interdepartment correspondence lost it), some 5 years of Graduate > Studies - in Bible, History and Physics). > > Merle C Rummel > Church Historian > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3667 - Release Date: 05/29/11 06:34:00 >

You wrote: "Col John MIller married Nancy Capper - 1 Jan 1800 in Franklin Co VA - from family informations they had 6 children: Martin (1802); John (1805); Thomas (1807); Elizabeth (1808); Mary 1811); and Benjamin (1815). " This "marriage" is a major problem for me. I have searched several reliable dbases [familysearch, ancestry, etc] and can find no source for this marriage anywhere. ------------------- This brings me to the one John I've found in Franklin/Union Co, IN, who I believe could be Wm's parents - the man called COL. JOHN MILLER. What I've seen so far is that he is assumed to be a cousin of Potter John Miller. No apparent proof that this is a correct assumption. His family does not seem to be clearly defined or complete. Several sites have him married to Nancy Capper with a specific 1800 date in FranklinCo, VA. I have been unable to confirm this date [or her maiden name] using several dbases. There is a family record in the old Union County history (c1885 - I forget the actual book name - I perused it repeatedly down at the Library in Liberty IN). Col John Miller was born 15 Apr 1778 in Washington Co MD (the Antietam Church there is where Elder Jacob Miller ws first put into the ministry - and there are still a large number of Miller families living there - I pastored out there, Frederick Co MD). He ws orphaned (I'm guessing probably around 10-12 years old - c1790 - father dying), and was "bound out" to Pennsylvania (since his brother, Martin, visited from Pennsylvania in 1839 - with son David - possibly he was "bound out" to an older married brother - after his father died?). He was married in Franklin Co VA to Nancy Capper, who was born 10 Jun 1777 (Nancy was nearly a year older than Col John). She was born in Ireland (per statement, location was possibly a family error - did the Capper family come from Ireland? - I have long imagined a red-headed Irish girl - I have a copy of the pictures of Col John and Nancy in my 200th Anniversary PowerPoint Presentation - at www.cob-net.org/docs/brethrenlife.htm). The migration to Franklin Co VA of 5 Miller brothers (probably Col John's uncles) - Col John then went there also, on reaching majority? - 21 yrs - 1799 - and married. Col John is very young to have a son William in 1795 (17 yrs). In 1809, Tobias Miller (brother of Potter John) came to Franklin Co IN (now Union Co) with Col John Miller, James Webster and James Guggs (Union Co History). Tobias Miller is identified in 1801 in Butler Co OH (just east, across the Ohio/Indiana state line - just where I didn't try to determine). Tobias lived on Indian Creek, just west of Potter John, and just north of the outcropping of Flint (constantly used by the Indians - Indian Village site). Tobias installed a Mill (sawmill, corn mill and tannery). [When Potter John came in 1805, it was Indiana Territory ("Indian Territory" - per the Greenville Treaty of 1797 - General Anthony Wayne) - this area beyond the Ohio State Line ws called "the Gore", now i 1809 it is Indiana a state.] The migration from the Four Mile to "Wabash Country" (Parke Co and north) started about 1820 (when Indian lands opened across the southern part of the state of Indiana). Tobias Miller, son of Potter John, was one of hte early ones. Several more of the Miller family went in 1823. Completely separate, my Kentucky research has found that George Boone and Squire Boone, brothers of Daniel Boone, were Baptist Brethren ministers in Kentucky (our name then) The Boone family (Squire Sr) had stopped in the Antietam Church area (north a little in Pennsylvania) - probably while some of the Miller families lived there. While the Boone family was originally Quaker - one or more of the Boone children had married into the Dunkers (our nickname) and the family was reprimanded, then ejected, by the Quaker Meeting. It looks suspiciously like the family went Brethren. They lived repeatedly in Brethren community areas - clear to MissouriAbraham and several brothers left PA and [for reasons unknown] moved to BlountCo, TN, where he married Nancy Hawkins [bn c1781 NC] in 1801. c1811 this family removed to FranklinCo, IN, where in Oct 1823 his daughter, Martha, married William MILLER. Abe and son-in-law William Miller then removed to ParkeCo, IN. A tiny but possibly relevant clue was a conversation with my cousin several years ago that her mother had mentioned that she had heard from family member[s] our William Miller "knew" Daniel Boone. I could come to no conclusion in attempting to confirm this "maybe" clue. Merle C Rummel

Merle and Nel, Since the Parke County Court House burned in 1833, I think you might find wills or probates for Tobias Miller, James Miller, Samuel Davis, and Rhuban Webster.  If Jacob Miller had a probate in the early days of the county, I don't think it would have survived.  There are numerous Websters buried at Mt Olivet Cemetery, which is located about where Raccoon, Florida, and Adams Twps come together. Sharon Col John MIller married Nancy Capper - 1 Jan 1800 in Franklin Co VA - from family informations they had 6 children:  Martin (1802); John (1805); Thomas (1807); Elizabeth (1808); Mary (1811); and Benjamin (1815).  Martin, John and Benjamin lived down here near their father (Contraras IN - just west of Oxford OH).  Thomas moved to Raccoon Creek, Putnam Co IN (1832) - where he was put in the ministry - then moved to Cedar Co MO (c1851) (where he was shot during the Civil War turmoil ("bloody Kansas") - and died a few years later near Scott KS.  Elizabeth never married - lived with her parents.  Mary married William Miller (grandson of Elder Jacob Miller, son of Tobias) - moved to South Bend IN - became a state legislator - his house is a historical renovation and where the Miller Letters were found (1833-1872). Potter John lived a half mile or so north of Col John - owning land on the IN/OH State Line.  Potter John Miller married Phoebe McClure - 19 Sep 1792 in Franklin Co VA.  Family informations list William as the first child - born 1793 - but no more information.  Other children:  Jacob (1795); Tobias (1796); Mary (1801); John (1803); Daniel (1803); James (1805); Barbara (1807); Abraham (1910).   Abraham stayed here, living later south of the Keffer Cemetery, south of Cottage Grove IN - close to his uncle: Tobias Miller.  Jacob was killed by a falling tree in 1823 - the same year as he took 80A land in Adams twp, Parke Co IN.  Tobias went to Parke Co in 1820, is buried at the Pleasant Valley Cemetery..  Mary (Polly) married Rhuban Webster, lived 3 miles below Bridgton on Raccoon Creek in Parke Co.  John S was bound out in 1821 to his brother Tobias for 1 year (till he turned 21).  He married Margaret Crooks (Peggy) in 1823.  Daniel was a minister and Elder here at the Four Mile Church, and was the home Potter John returned to.  Daniel with his uncle Elder Daniel MIller, of Raccoon Creek, led a migration to Monroe Co IA in 1854.  I have little on James, except wife Almirea and names and births of 7 children - they went to Parke Co and died in Chariton Co MO..  Barbara maried Samuel Davis in 1825 and that year moved to Parke Co.  He served on the Indiana Constitutional Convention and was a member of the Legislature. Daniel Miller, brother of Potter John, moved to the Raccoon Creek in 1830 - I have no exact information whether he lived in Parke or Putnam Cos.  The Harshbarger letter (c1848) says:  "Bro Daniel Miller is in Arkansas, he is considering moving there, he says the land is very good."  Instead he returned to the Raccoon Creek Church and in 1854 (with nephew, Elder Daniel Miller, of the Four Mile) led a migration to Monroe Co IA.  (the next year - 1855, Elder Philip Moss - Lybrook grandson - led a a migration to Butler Co IA - most of these families had already moved to "Wabash Country" - Carroll Co, Miami Co, Howard Co, Cass Co IN) You raise two names that I do not identify - Philip Lybrook married Anna Miller (older sister of Potter John) (my wife's line) - and were early settlers here on the Four Mile ("Upper" church - here just south of Boston IN -where I live, and the only existing Four Mile Congregation).    His sons John and Jacob came here with him in 1805 - and stayed, while Philip returned to Franklin Co VA and brought the rest of the family out the next year.  John married Fanny Toney in 1809 and lived next north of his father; Jacob married Elizabeth Crawford that same year and lived next north of John - buildings where IN227 crosses the state line.  I have a full listing of the Lybrook family, by a granddaughter - and have no Tobias.   There was a second Lybrook family to come here - Henry Lybrook (1/w - Sarah Burk - died 1795 in Franklin Co VA - I have no listing of children for this family) - 2/w -m. 1796, Hannah Hankey - 8 children: only son John b: 1799 - families moved to Cass Co MI -.1825.  Local traditions show no direct connections between the two families, possibly 2nd cousins.  One researcher says Philip and Henry were brothers - but possibly there was another Lybrook family here (Ohio side) - that I have no information on - there was another Lybrook family, unidentified, living farther south in early Indiana.. We had other families move to Raccoon Creek:  John Fosher - 1822;  Henry Moss and Francis Moss - 1826 and later.  There are missing young families who might have also gone this direction. I do not know the actual route they used to get there.  The Wetzel Trace went from south of the Lower Four Mile (near Laural IN) to near south side of now Indianapolis - White Water River there, but I do not know any way they would have gone on west.  There were plenty of Indian Paths.  The Fort Greenville (OH) - Fort Vincennes (IN) Road went across the state somewhere - but I really suspect it went much farther south. The original Raccoon Creek Church formed the basis of the 4 congregation Ladoga Churches. 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Nel, One thing I can tell you that explains the difference in dates:  the sales documents were signed by the President of the US early on, and each President got behind with a huge stack awaiting signatures.  Eventually others were allowed to sign for the President, speeding up the process.  I don't know if the BLM database has ever entered the early credit purchases (money down with balance later) or Military Land Warrants.  You won't get a complete picture until they do.  Some early credit purchasers took out several parcels then learned they couldn't pay for all of them, giving some back for other people to claim.  Military land warrants were often sold at auction, with purchasers having no military service in  their background.  The Indiana State Archives may still have a more complete records of original purchasers and changes to those purchases. Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: "nelhatch" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 9:07:29 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Parke County Millers Sharon, No, not at all unreasonable to think that northern and southern families in a county are related but it can also be a BIG mistake if a connection is made only because they are in the same county. I've seen that mistake made with my Hatcher surname which is far less common than is Miller - two families, one being the "Wm Hatcher" family and the other being from the Quaker Hatchers. It took DNA testing to prove out these 2 different families. But here is something else the History of Parke tells me - Abe Timberman was scouting out the land in what would become Liberty Twp as early as 1821.  [I see both the Terre Haute and Crawfordville Land Offices were authorized Apr 1820.]  It is believed Abe built a home for his family and planted a crop before returning to FranklinCo for his family in 1823. Now his first BLM grant is dated Dec 1823 [survey date?] and the document is dated 5-1825. It sounds to me as if these land grants are not just tossing out random land but is surveying land already chosen by the grantee. CO = Crawfordville THO = Terre Haute Abe and son-in-law Wm Miller were both in Twp 17N, R 9W, Sec 2.  {All CO] The other Millers in that rough time frame are: Tobias - 2 grants dated 2-1822, Twp 14N, R 7W, Sec 13. [THO] John --- 3 grants dated 9-1823. Twp 15N, R 6W, Sec 7, 19 and 29. [THO] Jacob---1 grant  dated 9-1823,  Twp 15N, R 6W, Sec 7. [A son next to daddy?] [THO] Tobias & Jacob Lybrook - 1 grant dated 1-1824, Twp 16N, R 6W, Sec 21 [THO] Jacob -- 2 grants dated 3-1824 & 4-1824, Twp 15N, R 7W, Sec 26 [THO] The next Miller grant is Daniel but not until 1829. He is also in 15N, R7W, Sec 12 [CO] It is around 1829 and after that all grants are coming out of the Crawfordville Office. The remaining grants are in T15N in the John/Jacob area and the others are my Wm and his son, John in T17N. FWIW, none of these Millers make any attempt to stray into the other's "territory." Something that I found in Merle's online history and something he mentioned in the first post is  - Potter John and Phoebe went in 1823, but returned about 1848 to Union Co IN. That may well be true but I believe Col. John never left UnionCo and that he's still looking like a good shot for being Wm's father. There is an assumption that Col. John was a cousin of Potter John but if that's not true, it could explain why there is no natural "blending" of related families in ParkeCo - because they weren't related or, at least, not closely. Nel HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm ... Digging up the Dead ... .. Irritating the Living .. ... It's what I do best! ... On 5/28/2011 4:59 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > I suppose it's not unreasonable to find that a Miller in Liberty Twp is related to a Miller in Raccoon.  The only difficulty I see is that the Ten O'Clock line, one of the Indian boundaries, crosses the county at an angle from northwest to southeast.  Folks in the south part of the county bought land that was available before the land in the northern part.    I think you can see the division on the Genweb site.  Two land offices, at least, were involved in land purchases in Parke County; these were Vincennes and Crawfordsville.  If parties arrived at the same time, you would think they would try to locate together and would go to the same land office. > > > > On the other hand, when some of my Brethren ancestors went to Delaware County, a few from Miami Co OH ended up in Howard County for a while.  Perhaps it was a case of buying what was readily available . > > > > Sharon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "nelhatch"<[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 1:34:46 PM > Subject: Re: [BRE] Parke County Millers > > If you use this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parke_County,_Indiana > and scroll down to Townships, you can click on the townships to see them > on a county map. > > My William, using his BLM land grants, lived in Liberty Twp but the > northern half of his property was in FountainCo. He is in ParkeCo in > 1830 but FountainCo thru 1860. I don't know if he died in FountainCo or > went to IA with his sons. > > On the map you'll see that Liberty and Raccon Twnshps are about as far > as you can get from each other. > > Nel > > > HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com > HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm > > ... Digging up the Dead ... > .. Irritating the Living .. > ... It's what I do best! ... > > On 5/28/2011 10:15 AM, [email protected] wrote: >> There is an on-going project to abstract the Parke County probate boxes, so that researchers can know where to find information about individuals.  At the same time all the information in each file is being photographed.   It's a multi-year project, and the results, including the images, will likely end up on the Parke County genweb page. >> >> >> >> Information being abstracted includes name of decedent, heirs and widow where named, administrator of estate, appraisers of estate, date of the file, and notes of interest.   Other court cases are occasionally found in these boxes. >> >> >> >> I volunteer only once a month, so I only get a sketchy view of files; however,  I have noted the Miller surname mentioned in the receipts of a Raccoon Twp. estate from the 1830's-40's era. >> >> >> >> Sharon Mills >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "nelhatch"<[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Cc: [email protected] >> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 9:23:52 AM >> Subject: Re: [BRE] William Miller >> >> Merle and all, >> >> My file is on WorldConnect. This will take you to Abraham Timberman. >> http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=nelmiller&id=I98 >> >> His dau, Martha, will take you to William Miller. >> >> Nel >> >> HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com >> HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm >> >> ... Digging up the Dead ... >> .. Irritating the Living .. >> ... It's what I do best! ... >> >> On 5/28/2011 6:08 AM, Merle Rummel wrote: >>> ---------------------------------------- >>> would you give me information on your William Miller - John Miller - and >>> related family? >>> >>> dates and spouse's name would help me match up information - to families i >>> have information on - >>> >>> I have traced the Four Mile Families - including all the children of Elder >>> Jacob Miller - which is my wife's ancestry - I started on that 30-40 years >>> ago - I would have to hunt to find some of my sources.  The Four Mile >>> Churches were on the Indiana side of the State Line - but families did move >>> on - I know I do not have information on all the Millers in this area of >>> Indiana - >>> >>> Also, we know that birthdate reports did change.  My ancestor down in >>> Clermont Co OH reported himself as 97 years old ("an active farmer") in the >>> 1870 Census - research finds he was actually 10 years older (Revolutionary >>> War records - and the birth of his first child) >>> >>> I have Miller Families in the Kentucky study - there was migration from >>> some of the Kentucky church areas and the Ohio River area up to Vermillion >>> and Putnam Cos IN (some going on to Illinois and west).  I do not >>> specifically remember any families going to Parke Co, but I do not have >>> complete information on every individual in these families - so related >>> information may help identify people. >>> >>> Merle >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3663 - Release Date: 05/27/11 06:34:00 >>> >>   >>                                  ------------------------ >> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >>                                  ------------------------ >>                           Support Our Sponsoring Agency >>               The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) >> For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] >>                                  ------------------------ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>                                  ------------------------ >> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >>                                  ------------------------ >>                           Support Our Sponsoring Agency >>               The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) >> For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] >>                                  ------------------------ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - 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First, I would like to ask a quick question of everyone. I'm interested in hearing from anyone who had family in 1840 WashingtonCo, IN. Washington Co may be my key to solving my mystery. --------------------- I've done a study of the Brethren Churches of far southern Indiana - included in my Kentucky Study - yes, there was one in Washington Co IN, south of Salem on the Blue River. The Wright families there were leaders in the formation of the Church of Christ (recorded as originally Brethren Preachers from Carolina). The Brethren Churches (5-6 of them near the Buffalo Trace - to near Bedford IN) The Adam Miller Family (1791 married Hannah Sheets - son of Casper) came there in 1824 from Rowan Co NC. Adam's son William (1806-1884) married first Elizabeth Winkler (1833) then Acenith Sill (1847). He remained in Washington Co IN - he ran a wagon freight line down to Louisville. One that might apply is the David Miller family (son of Peter Muller). David was a Brethren minister, came from Washington Co PA to Shelby Co KY (Brashear creek) about 1795, and moved up to Clark Co IN in 1814. David had a son William, born 1801, and I have nothing more on him (have on all the rest of the children). Washington Co was formed from Clark Co - and some of these families were there at the change. Also, the "Buffalo Trace" from Louisville to Vincennes (General Clark's Army route) went almost directly from the Brethren church area in Clark Co (south of New Washington), past the Brethren families in Washington Co as it went west. The Brethren Families in Washington Co IN that I have identified include Nathan Buchanan (minister, m. Rebecca Wright); David Colglazier (m. Cynthia May); Philip Copple (m. Anna Wrigt); Daniel Hardman (m. Elizabeth Leatherman); Adam Miller (m. Hannah Sheets); Adam Ribble (wife unknown); son John Ribble (minister, wife Margaret Streit); Joseph Ribble (m. Catherine Philips); William Ribble (m. Elizabeth Berkey); Amos Wright (minister of Revival, 1/m Elizabeth Lowe, 2/m Margaret Davis); John Wright (minister of Revival, 1/m Peggy Wolfescale, 2/m Nancy Perlee); Levi Wright (minister, m. Nancy Ross); Peter Wright (minister, 1/m Rachel Wood, 2/m Margaret Moore); Philberd Wright (minister of Revival, 1/m Mary Sears, 2/m Elizabeth Devan); Andrew Sheets (m. Sarah Stutzman); Most of these came from the Carolinas to Kentucky and up to Indiana. These were the families I identified as Brethren, there were connected families that I have not included. I have visited down that area - and done some research there. *********************** You wrote: "Col John MIller married Nancy Capper - 1 Jan 1800 in Franklin Co VA - from family informations they had 6 children: Martin (1802); John (1805); Thomas (1807); Elizabeth (1808); Mary 1811); and Benjamin (1815). " This "marriage" is a major problem for me. I have searched several reliable dbases [familysearch, ancestry, etc] and can find no source for this marriage anywhere. ------------------- I obtained the information on Col John Miller from our Union Co Records at the Library at Liberty IN and from one main member of the family. I will verify that it was accurate, and that the sources agreed with one another. I have been to Col John's house,and those of his children who lived here. Let me add, that Nancy Capper was born in Ireland, came to Virginia, to Franklin Co VA. The marriage was in Franklin Co VA records, that I verified with Gertrude Mann.(local historian there, now deceased). Most of my research was NOT from the internet - was done long before it existed. I was in direct correspondence with (even visited) Gertrude Mann, a major authority there in Franklin Co VA. She and I frequently compared information that she found, that was connected to these families that came to the Four Mile. I had papers and information from her and a number of other sources - 30-40 years ago - when I was working on my wife's families, which devolved into researching the origins of the Four Mile Church because of the normal "problem" we Brethren had, repeated intermarriages in the church families (and so often they were kin).. Much of this information I doubt if I can now find. Some might still be in my filing cabinet. *********************** There are 4 John Millers md in FranklinCo, VA - to Phebe McClure 1792, Hester Brower 1798, Margaret Turpin 1789 and Susannah Scott 1789. --------------------- George Chapman Miller (a cousin of Potter John, who lived back in Virginia) stated that there were 5 Miller brothers, all brethren ministers, who came down the valley to Franklin Co (Patricia Johnson "Elder Jacob Miller") - those known are: Elder Jacob, Tobias (m. Barbara Brower) and Baltzer. research in Franklin Co seems to indicate that the other two were Daniel and Isaac. (Baltzer's Will includes a sister: Catherine.) "Potter" John Miller married Phoebe McClure. She was the daughter of Halbert McClure and Mary Henderson, full sister to Isabella McClure, who married William Crawford (Potter John's best friend - they lived about a mile south, almost to Col John's place) and half sister to Sarah Henderson (dau of Samuel Henderson and Mary (Henderson) McClure) who married Potter John's brother Tobias Miller, and lived a half mile west of Potter John) - all here in then Franklin Co IN (now Union Co). I have done little to trace the brothers of Elder Jacob Miller. Only two of Tobias Miller's children have records, and they followed the Franklin County families on the Kanawha Trace coming this way, but went only to near Gallipolis OH, did not come on out here. The possible Daniel Miller and Isaac Miller both went to Tennessee, if I understand correctly. Might I point out, that there is considerable confusions on the various internet data. I have used it only during the last couple years (the Kentucky Book) - I have mostly gone to original research (and I do know how to do it - I have 2 Master's degrees and actually completed a third (an error in interdepartment correspondence lost it), some 5 years of Graduate Studies - in Bible, History and Physics). Merle C Rummel Church Historian

Try another spelling, like Kepper. This "marriage" is a major problem for me. I have searched several reliable dbases [familysearch, ancestry, etc] and can find no source for this marriage anywhere. There are 3 recorded marriages for the Caper/Capper family in FranklinCo - Margaret md 1799, Thomas md 1799 and Samuel md 1806.

I'm going to take a small detour and ask if anyone is familiar with the Urmey family, particularly Jacob from BotetourtCo, VA Nel HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm ... Digging up the Dead ... .. Irritating the Living .. ... It's what I do best! ... On 5/29/2011 4:25 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > Nel, > > > > One thing I can tell you that explains the difference in dates: the sales documents were signed by the President of the US early on, and each President got behind with a huge stack awaiting signatures. Eventually others were allowed to sign for the President, speeding up the process. > > > > I don't know if the BLM database has ever entered the early credit purchases (money down with balance later) or Military Land Warrants. You won't get a complete picture until they do. Some early credit purchasers took out several parcels then learned they couldn't pay for all of them, giving some back for other people to claim. Military land warrants were often sold at auction, with purchasers having no military service in their background. The Indiana State Archives may still have a more complete records of original purchasers and changes to those purchases. > > > > Sharon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "nelhatch"<[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 9:07:29 PM > Subject: Re: [BRE] Parke County Millers > > Sharon, > > No, not at all unreasonable to think that northern and southern families > in a county are related but it can also be a BIG mistake if a connection > is made only because they are in the same county. I've seen that mistake > made with my Hatcher surname which is far less common than is Miller - > two families, one being the "Wm Hatcher" family and the other being from > the Quaker Hatchers. It took DNA testing to prove out these 2 different > families. > > But here is something else the History of Parke tells me - Abe Timberman > was scouting out the land in what would become Liberty Twp as early as > 1821. [I see both the Terre Haute and Crawfordville Land Offices were > authorized Apr 1820.] It is believed Abe built a home for his family > and planted a crop before returning to FranklinCo for his family in > 1823. Now his first BLM grant is dated Dec 1823 [survey date?] and the > document is dated 5-1825. It sounds to me as if these land grants are > not just tossing out random land but is surveying land already chosen by > the grantee. > > CO = Crawfordville > THO = Terre Haute > > Abe and son-in-law Wm Miller were both in Twp 17N, R 9W, Sec 2. {All CO] > > The other Millers in that rough time frame are: > > Tobias - 2 grants dated 2-1822, Twp 14N, R 7W, Sec 13. [THO] > John --- 3 grants dated 9-1823. Twp 15N, R 6W, Sec 7, 19 and 29. [THO] > Jacob---1 grant dated 9-1823, Twp 15N, R 6W, Sec 7. [A son next to > daddy?] [THO] > Tobias& Jacob Lybrook - 1 grant dated 1-1824, Twp 16N, R 6W, Sec 21 [THO] > Jacob -- 2 grants dated 3-1824& 4-1824, Twp 15N, R 7W, Sec 26 [THO] > > The next Miller grant is Daniel but not until 1829. He is also in 15N, > R7W, Sec 12 [CO] > > It is around 1829 and after that all grants are coming out of the > Crawfordville Office. > > The remaining grants are in T15N in the John/Jacob area and the others > are my Wm and his son, John in T17N. > > FWIW, none of these Millers make any attempt to stray into the other's > "territory." > > Something that I found in Merle's online history and something he > mentioned in the first post is - Potter John and Phoebe went in 1823, > but returned about 1848 to Union Co IN. > > That may well be true but I believe Col. John never left UnionCo and > that he's still looking like a good shot for being Wm's father. There is > an assumption that Col. John was a cousin of Potter John but if that's > not true, it could explain why there is no natural "blending" of related > families in ParkeCo - because they weren't related or, at least, not > closely. > > Nel > > > HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com > HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm > > ... Digging up the Dead ... > .. Irritating the Living .. > ... It's what I do best! ... > > On 5/28/2011 4:59 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> I suppose it's not unreasonable to find that a Miller in Liberty Twp is related to a Miller in Raccoon. The only difficulty I see is that the Ten O'Clock line, one of the Indian boundaries, crosses the county at an angle from northwest to southeast. Folks in the south part of the county bought land that was available before the land in the northern part. I think you can see the division on the Genweb site. Two land offices, at least, were involved in land purchases in Parke County; these were Vincennes and Crawfordsville. If parties arrived at the same time, you would think they would try to locate together and would go to the same land office. >> >> >> >> On the other hand, when some of my Brethren ancestors went to Delaware County, a few from Miami Co OH ended up in Howard County for a while. Perhaps it was a case of buying what was readily available . >> >> >> >> Sharon >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "nelhatch"<[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 1:34:46 PM >> Subject: Re: [BRE] Parke County Millers >> >> If you use this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parke_County,_Indiana >> and scroll down to Townships, you can click on the townships to see them >> on a county map. >> >> My William, using his BLM land grants, lived in Liberty Twp but the >> northern half of his property was in FountainCo. He is in ParkeCo in >> 1830 but FountainCo thru 1860. I don't know if he died in FountainCo or >> went to IA with his sons. >> >> On the map you'll see that Liberty and Raccon Twnshps are about as far >> as you can get from each other. >> >> Nel >> >> >> HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com >> HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm >> >> ... Digging up the Dead ... >> .. Irritating the Living .. >> ... It's what I do best! ... >> >> On 5/28/2011 10:15 AM, [email protected] wrote: >>> There is an on-going project to abstract the Parke County probate boxes, so that researchers can know where to find information about individuals. At the same time all the information in each file is being photographed. It's a multi-year project, and the results, including the images, will likely end up on the Parke County genweb page. >>> >>> >>> >>> Information being abstracted includes name of decedent, heirs and widow where named, administrator of estate, appraisers of estate, date of the file, and notes of interest. Other court cases are occasionally found in these boxes. >>> >>> >>> >>> I volunteer only once a month, so I only get a sketchy view of files; however, I have noted the Miller surname mentioned in the receipts of a Raccoon Twp. estate from the 1830's-40's era. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sharon Mills >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "nelhatch"<[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Cc: [email protected] >>> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 9:23:52 AM >>> Subject: Re: [BRE] William Miller >>> >>> Merle and all, >>> >>> My file is on WorldConnect. This will take you to Abraham Timberman. >>> http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=nelmiller&id=I98 >>> >>> His dau, Martha, will take you to William Miller. >>> >>> Nel >>> >>> HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com >>> HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm >>> >>> ... Digging up the Dead ... >>> .. Irritating the Living .. >>> ... It's what I do best! ... >>> >>> On 5/28/2011 6:08 AM, Merle Rummel wrote: >>>> ---------------------------------------- >>>> would you give me information on your William Miller - John Miller - and >>>> related family? >>>> >>>> dates and spouse's name would help me match up information - to families i >>>> have information on - >>>> >>>> I have traced the Four Mile Families - including all the children of Elder >>>> Jacob Miller - which is my wife's ancestry - I started on that 30-40 years >>>> ago - I would have to hunt to find some of my sources. The Four Mile >>>> Churches were on the Indiana side of the State Line - but families did move >>>> on - I know I do not have information on all the Millers in this area of >>>> Indiana - >>>> >>>> Also, we know that birthdate reports did change. My ancestor down in >>>> Clermont Co OH reported himself as 97 years old ("an active farmer") in the >>>> 1870 Census - research finds he was actually 10 years older (Revolutionary >>>> War records - and the birth of his first child) >>>> >>>> I have Miller Families in the Kentucky study - there was migration from >>>> some of the Kentucky church areas and the Ohio River area up to Vermillion >>>> and Putnam Cos IN (some going on to Illinois and west). I do not >>>> specifically remember any families going to Parke Co, but I do not have >>>> complete information on every individual in these families - so related >>>> information may help identify people. >>>> >>>> Merle >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3663 - Release Date: 05/27/11 06:34:00 >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------ >>> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >>> ------------------------ >>> Support Our Sponsoring Agency >>> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) >>> For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] >>> ------------------------ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> ------------------------ >>> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >>> ------------------------ >>> Support Our Sponsoring Agency >>> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) >>> For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] >>> ------------------------ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3665 - Release Date: 05/28/11 06:34:00 >>> >> >> ------------------------ >> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> ------------------------ >> Support Our Sponsoring Agency >> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) >> For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] >> ------------------------ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------ >> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> ------------------------ >> Support Our Sponsoring Agency >> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) >> For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] >> ------------------------ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3665 - Release Date: 05/28/11 06:34:00 >> > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3667 - Release Date: 05/29/11 06:34:00 >

First, I would like to ask a quick question of everyone. I'm interested in hearing from anyone who had family in 1840 WashingtonCo, IN. WashingtonCo may be my key to solving my mystery. Merle, I first need to clear up some confusion....... Tobias& Jacob Lybrook - 1 grant dated 1-1824, Twp 16N, R 6W, Sec 21 [THO] I was listing all the Millers who had land grants so the above means Tobias MILLER & Jacob Lybrook were granted land in partnership. You wrote: "Col John MIller married Nancy Capper - 1 Jan 1800 in Franklin Co VA - from family informations they had 6 children: Martin (1802); John (1805); Thomas (1807); Elizabeth (1808); Mary 1811); and Benjamin (1815). " This "marriage" is a major problem for me. I have searched several reliable dbases [familysearch, ancestry, etc] and can find no source for this marriage anywhere. There are 3 recorded marriages for the Caper/Capper family in FranklinCo - Margaret md 1799, Thomas md 1799 and Samuel md 1806. There are 4 John Millers md in FranklinCo, VA - to Phebe McClure 1792, Hester Brower 1798, Margaret Turpin 1789 and Susannah Scott 1789. Perhaps someone found the Samuel Capper in the 1830 Franklin, IN census and made an assumption he was the Samuel of Franklin, VA. But he wasn't. Samuel in IN was born 1790-1800 and had 4 kids under 10. Samuel of VA had to be born before 1786 [md 1806] and would likely have had many kids over 10. In 1840 Sam is in ParkeCo and he's still 30-40, born 1800-1810. This implies he was a cusp baby and born c1800. More evidence he's not Sam of VA. So unless someone can provide a reliable source for this marriage, it is [to me] just an error on someone's part that has been accepted as fact over time. If I'm correct, Col. John can no longer be tied to Franklin, VA or any part of VA. The best evidence I have so far is that Col. John was born in MD [his 1850 census] or perhaps PA. From one of Merle's pages comes the following: "The 1839 letter by Elizabeth, daughter of Col. John, says that a brother of her father, "Uncle Martin and his son David", were come visiting from Pennsylvania. [I don't believe the rest of the paragraph as follows was part of Elizabeth's letter] Col. John was bound out to someone in Pennsylvania while still a minor. (The Martin Miller family of Penn Valley, Center Co PA, needs to be investigated further. The Center Co History says they moved there soon following the Revolutionary War. John Miller, presumeably of this family, came to the Bullskin Church, Clermont Co OH, about 1800.)" I agree with Merle's list of Col. John's kids. I simply believe he had more [older] kids based on the following censi: 1820 United States Federal Census Name: John Millar Township: Bath County: Franklin State: Indiana Enumeration Date: August 7, 1820 Free White Males - Under 10: 1 [Benjamin] Free White Males - 10 thru 15: 2 [John and Martin] Free White Males - 16 thru 25: 1 [who???? - my William?] Free White Males - 45 and over: 1 [Col John bn bef 1775] Free White Females - Under 10: 1 [Elizabeth] Free White Females - 10 thru 15: 1 Free White Females - 16 thru 25: 1 [bn 1795-1804] Free White Females - 26 thru 44: 1 [bn 1776-1794] Free White Females - 45 and over: 1 [Nancy bn bef 1775] Number of Persons - Engaged in Agriculture: 1 Free White Persons - Under 16: 5 Free White Persons - Over 25: 3 Total Free White Persons: 10 Total All Persons - White, Slaves, Colored, Other: 10 1830 United States Federal Census Name: John Miller Senior [image does not show Senr. It is clearly Col.] Home in 1830: , Union, Indiana Free White Persons - Males - 10 thru 14: 1 [Benjamin] Free White Persons - Males - 50 thru 59: 1 [Col John] Free White Persons - Females - 15 thru 19: 1 [one of these daus is Elizabeth] Free White Persons - Females - 20 thru 29: 1 Free White Persons - Females - 50 thru 59: 1 [Nancy] Free White Persons - Under 20: 2 Free White Persons - 20 thru 49: 1 Total Free White Persons: 5 Total - All Persons (Free White, Slaves, Free Colored): 5 John and Nancy continue to be found in UnionCo in 1840 and 50 with Ben and Martin living next to him in 1840. Enough for now! Nel HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm ... Digging up the Dead ... .. Irritating the Living .. ... It's what I do best! ... On 5/29/2011 6:28 AM, Merle Rummel wrote: > Col John MIller married Nancy Capper - 1 Jan 1800 in Franklin Co VA - from > family informations they had 6 children: Martin (1802); John (1805); > Thomas (1807); Elizabeth (1808); Mary (1811); and Benjamin (1815).

---------------------------------------- I should have included Elder William Rose Smith - founding Elder of the Ladoga Chuches - preaching companion of Elder Jacob Miller back in Franklin Co VA, who came first to the Four Mile (maybe as early as 1816), then in 1825-26 moved on to Putnam Co, Raccoon Creek. He obtained his land through the Vincennes Land Office. In that period of disputes with the Annual Meeting Elders (out east) and their decisions, he was removed from office about 1830. He died there in 1839. Merle C Rummel

---------------------------------------- From: "nelhatch" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 9:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] Parke County Millers Sharon, No, not at all unreasonable to think that northern and southern families in a county are related but it can also be a BIG mistake if a connection is made only because they are in the same county. I've seen that mistake made with my Hatcher surname which is far less common than is Miller - two families, one being the "Wm Hatcher" family and the other being from the Quaker Hatchers. It took DNA testing to prove out these 2 different families. But here is something else the History of Parke tells me - Abe Timberman was scouting out the land in what would become Liberty Twp as early as 1821. [I see both the Terre Haute and Crawfordville Land Offices were authorized Apr 1820.] It is believed Abe built a home for his family and planted a crop before returning to FranklinCo for his family in 1823. Now his first BLM grant is dated Dec 1823 [survey date?] and the document is dated 5-1825. It sounds to me as if these land grants are not just tossing out random land but is surveying land already chosen by the grantee. CO = Crawfordville THO = Terre Haute Abe and son-in-law Wm Miller were both in Twp 17N, R 9W, Sec 2. {All CO] The other Millers in that rough time frame are: Tobias - 2 grants dated 2-1822, Twp 14N, R 7W, Sec 13. [THO] John --- 3 grants dated 9-1823. Twp 15N, R 6W, Sec 7, 19 and 29. [THO] Jacob---1 grant dated 9-1823, Twp 15N, R 6W, Sec 7. [A son next to daddy?] [THO] Tobias & Jacob Lybrook - 1 grant dated 1-1824, Twp 16N, R 6W, Sec 21 [THO] Jacob -- 2 grants dated 3-1824 & 4-1824, Twp 15N, R 7W, Sec 26 [THO] The next Miller grant is Daniel but not until 1829. He is also in 15N, R7W, Sec 12 [CO] It is around 1829 and after that all grants are coming out of the Crawfordville Office. The remaining grants are in T15N in the John/Jacob area and the others are my Wm and his son, John in T17N. FWIW, none of these Millers make any attempt to stray into the other's "territory." Something that I found in Merle's online history and something he mentioned in the first post is - Potter John and Phoebe went in 1823, but returned about 1848 to Union Co IN. That may well be true but I believe Col. John never left UnionCo and that he's still looking like a good shot for being Wm's father. There is an assumption that Col. John was a cousin of Potter John but if that's not true, it could explain why there is no natural "blending" of related families in ParkeCo - because they weren't related or, at least, not closely. Nel Col John MIller married Nancy Capper - 1 Jan 1800 in Franklin Co VA - from family informations they had 6 children: Martin (1802); John (1805); Thomas (1807); Elizabeth (1808); Mary (1811); and Benjamin (1815). Martin, John and Benjamin lived down here near their father (Contraras IN - just west of Oxford OH). Thomas moved to Raccoon Creek, Putnam Co IN (1832) - where he was put in the ministry - then moved to Cedar Co MO (c1851) (where he was shot during the Civil War turmoil ("bloody Kansas") - and died a few years later near Scott KS. Elizabeth never married - lived with her parents. Mary married William Miller (grandson of Elder Jacob Miller, son of Tobias) - moved to South Bend IN - became a state legislator - his house is a historical renovation and where the Miller Letters were found (1833-1872). Potter John lived a half mile or so north of Col John - owning land on the IN/OH State Line. Potter John Miller married Phoebe McClure - 19 Sep 1792 in Franklin Co VA. Family informations list William as the first child - born 1793 - but no more information. Other children: Jacob (1795); Tobias (1796); Mary (1801); John (1803); Daniel (1803); James (1805); Barbara (1807); Abraham (1910). Abraham stayed here, living later south of the Keffer Cemetery, south of Cottage Grove IN - close to his uncle: Tobias Miller. Jacob was killed by a falling tree in 1823 - the same year as he took 80A land in Adams twp, Parke Co IN. Tobias went to Parke Co in 1820, is buried at the Pleasant Valley Cemetery.. Mary (Polly) married Rhuban Webster, lived 3 miles below Bridgton on Raccoon Creek in Parke Co. John S was bound out in 1821 to his brother Tobias for 1 year (till he turned 21). He married Margaret Crooks (Peggy) in 1823. Daniel was a minister and Elder here at the Four Mile Church, and was the home Potter John returned to. Daniel with his uncle Elder Daniel MIller, of Raccoon Creek, led a migration to Monroe Co IA in 1854. I have little on James, except wife Almirea and names and births of 7 children - they went to Parke Co and died in Chariton Co MO.. Barbara maried Samuel Davis in 1825 and that year moved to Parke Co. He served on the Indiana Constitutional Convention and was a member of the Legislature. Daniel Miller, brother of Potter John, moved to the Raccoon Creek in 1830 - I have no exact information whether he lived in Parke or Putnam Cos. The Harshbarger letter (c1848) says: "Bro Daniel Miller is in Arkansas, he is considering moving there, he says the land is very good." Instead he returned to the Raccoon Creek Church and in 1854 (with nephew, Elder Daniel Miller, of the Four Mile) led a migration to Monroe Co IA. (the next year - 1855, Elder Philip Moss - Lybrook grandson - led a a migration to Butler Co IA - most of these families had already moved to "Wabash Country" - Carroll Co, Miami Co, Howard Co, Cass Co IN) You raise two names that I do not identify - Philip Lybrook married Anna Miller (older sister of Potter John) (my wife's line) - and were early settlers here on the Four Mile ("Upper" church - here just south of Boston IN -where I live, and the only existing Four Mile Congregation). His sons John and Jacob came here with him in 1805 - and stayed, while Philip returned to Franklin Co VA and brought the rest of the family out the next year. John married Fanny Toney in 1809 and lived next north of his father; Jacob married Elizabeth Crawford that same year and lived next north of John - buildings where IN227 crosses the state line. I have a full listing of the Lybrook family, by a granddaughter - and have no Tobias. There was a second Lybrook family to come here - Henry Lybrook (1/w - Sarah Burk - died 1795 in Franklin Co VA - I have no listing of children for this family) - 2/w -m. 1796, Hannah Hankey - 8 children: only son John b: 1799 - families moved to Cass Co MI -.1825. Local traditions show no direct connections between the two families, possibly 2nd cousins. One researcher says Philip and Henry were brothers - but possibly there was another Lybrook family here (Ohio side) - that I have no information on - there was another Lybrook family, unidentified, living farther south in early Indiana.. We had other families move to Raccoon Creek: John Fosher - 1822; Henry Moss and Francis Moss - 1826 and later. There are missing young families who might have also gone this direction. I do not know the actual route they used to get there. The Wetzel Trace went from south of the Lower Four Mile (near Laural IN) to near south side of now Indianapolis - White Water River there, but I do not know any way they would have gone on west. There were plenty of Indian Paths. The Fort Greenville (OH) - Fort Vincennes (IN) Road went across the state somewhere - but I really suspect it went much farther south. The original Raccoon Creek Church formed the basis of the 4 congregation Ladoga Churches. Merle C Rummel

I suppose it's not unreasonable to find that a Miller in Liberty Twp is related to a Miller in Raccoon.  The only difficulty I see is that the Ten O'Clock line, one of the Indian boundaries, crosses the county at an angle from northwest to southeast.  Folks in the south part of the county bought land that was available before the land in the northern part.    I think you can see the division on the Genweb site.  Two land offices, at least, were involved in land purchases in Parke County; these were Vincennes and Crawfordsville.  If parties arrived at the same time, you would think they would try to locate together and would go to the same land office. On the other hand, when some of my Brethren ancestors went to Delaware County, a few from Miami Co OH ended up in Howard County for a while.  Perhaps it was a case of buying what was readily available . Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: "nelhatch" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 1:34:46 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Parke County Millers If you use this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parke_County,_Indiana and scroll down to Townships, you can click on the townships to see them on a county map. My William, using his BLM land grants, lived in Liberty Twp but the northern half of his property was in FountainCo. He is in ParkeCo in 1830 but FountainCo thru 1860. I don't know if he died in FountainCo or went to IA with his sons. On the map you'll see that Liberty and Raccon Twnshps are about as far as you can get from each other. Nel HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm ... Digging up the Dead ... .. Irritating the Living .. ... It's what I do best! ... On 5/28/2011 10:15 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > There is an on-going project to abstract the Parke County probate boxes, so that researchers can know where to find information about individuals.  At the same time all the information in each file is being photographed.   It's a multi-year project, and the results, including the images, will likely end up on the Parke County genweb page. > > > > Information being abstracted includes name of decedent, heirs and widow where named, administrator of estate, appraisers of estate, date of the file, and notes of interest.   Other court cases are occasionally found in these boxes. > > > > I volunteer only once a month, so I only get a sketchy view of files; however,  I have noted the Miller surname mentioned in the receipts of a Raccoon Twp. estate from the 1830's-40's era. > > > > Sharon Mills > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "nelhatch"<[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 9:23:52 AM > Subject: Re: [BRE] William Miller > > Merle and all, > > My file is on WorldConnect. This will take you to Abraham Timberman. > http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=nelmiller&id=I98 > > His dau, Martha, will take you to William Miller. > > Nel > > HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com > HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm > > ... Digging up the Dead ... > .. Irritating the Living .. > ... It's what I do best! ... > > On 5/28/2011 6:08 AM, Merle Rummel wrote: >> ---------------------------------------- >> would you give me information on your William Miller - John Miller - and >> related family? >> >> dates and spouse's name would help me match up information - to families i >> have information on - >> >> I have traced the Four Mile Families - including all the children of Elder >> Jacob Miller - which is my wife's ancestry - I started on that 30-40 years >> ago - I would have to hunt to find some of my sources.  The Four Mile >> Churches were on the Indiana side of the State Line - but families did move >> on - I know I do not have information on all the Millers in this area of >> Indiana - >> >> Also, we know that birthdate reports did change.  My ancestor down in >> Clermont Co OH reported himself as 97 years old ("an active farmer") in the >> 1870 Census - research finds he was actually 10 years older (Revolutionary >> War records - and the birth of his first child) >> >> I have Miller Families in the Kentucky study - there was migration from >> some of the Kentucky church areas and the Ohio River area up to Vermillion >> and Putnam Cos IN (some going on to Illinois and west).  I do not >> specifically remember any families going to Parke Co, but I do not have >> complete information on every individual in these families - so related >> information may help identify people. >> >> Merle >> >> >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3663 - Release Date: 05/27/11 06:34:00 >> >   >                                 ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >                                 ------------------------ >                          Support Our Sponsoring Agency >              The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] >                                 ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >                                 ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >                                 ------------------------ >                          Support Our Sponsoring Agency >              The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] >                                 ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3665 - Release Date: 05/28/11 06:34:00 >                                  ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN                                ------------------------                         Support Our Sponsoring Agency             The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected]                                ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sharon, No, not at all unreasonable to think that northern and southern families in a county are related but it can also be a BIG mistake if a connection is made only because they are in the same county. I've seen that mistake made with my Hatcher surname which is far less common than is Miller - two families, one being the "Wm Hatcher" family and the other being from the Quaker Hatchers. It took DNA testing to prove out these 2 different families. But here is something else the History of Parke tells me - Abe Timberman was scouting out the land in what would become Liberty Twp as early as 1821. [I see both the Terre Haute and Crawfordville Land Offices were authorized Apr 1820.] It is believed Abe built a home for his family and planted a crop before returning to FranklinCo for his family in 1823. Now his first BLM grant is dated Dec 1823 [survey date?] and the document is dated 5-1825. It sounds to me as if these land grants are not just tossing out random land but is surveying land already chosen by the grantee. CO = Crawfordville THO = Terre Haute Abe and son-in-law Wm Miller were both in Twp 17N, R 9W, Sec 2. {All CO] The other Millers in that rough time frame are: Tobias - 2 grants dated 2-1822, Twp 14N, R 7W, Sec 13. [THO] John --- 3 grants dated 9-1823. Twp 15N, R 6W, Sec 7, 19 and 29. [THO] Jacob---1 grant dated 9-1823, Twp 15N, R 6W, Sec 7. [A son next to daddy?] [THO] Tobias & Jacob Lybrook - 1 grant dated 1-1824, Twp 16N, R 6W, Sec 21 [THO] Jacob -- 2 grants dated 3-1824 & 4-1824, Twp 15N, R 7W, Sec 26 [THO] The next Miller grant is Daniel but not until 1829. He is also in 15N, R7W, Sec 12 [CO] It is around 1829 and after that all grants are coming out of the Crawfordville Office. The remaining grants are in T15N in the John/Jacob area and the others are my Wm and his son, John in T17N. FWIW, none of these Millers make any attempt to stray into the other's "territory." Something that I found in Merle's online history and something he mentioned in the first post is - Potter John and Phoebe went in 1823, but returned about 1848 to Union Co IN. That may well be true but I believe Col. John never left UnionCo and that he's still looking like a good shot for being Wm's father. There is an assumption that Col. John was a cousin of Potter John but if that's not true, it could explain why there is no natural "blending" of related families in ParkeCo - because they weren't related or, at least, not closely. Nel HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm ... Digging up the Dead ... .. Irritating the Living .. ... It's what I do best! ... On 5/28/2011 4:59 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > I suppose it's not unreasonable to find that a Miller in Liberty Twp is related to a Miller in Raccoon. The only difficulty I see is that the Ten O'Clock line, one of the Indian boundaries, crosses the county at an angle from northwest to southeast. Folks in the south part of the county bought land that was available before the land in the northern part. I think you can see the division on the Genweb site. Two land offices, at least, were involved in land purchases in Parke County; these were Vincennes and Crawfordsville. If parties arrived at the same time, you would think they would try to locate together and would go to the same land office. > > > > On the other hand, when some of my Brethren ancestors went to Delaware County, a few from Miami Co OH ended up in Howard County for a while. Perhaps it was a case of buying what was readily available . > > > > Sharon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "nelhatch"<[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 1:34:46 PM > Subject: Re: [BRE] Parke County Millers > > If you use this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parke_County,_Indiana > and scroll down to Townships, you can click on the townships to see them > on a county map. > > My William, using his BLM land grants, lived in Liberty Twp but the > northern half of his property was in FountainCo. He is in ParkeCo in > 1830 but FountainCo thru 1860. I don't know if he died in FountainCo or > went to IA with his sons. > > On the map you'll see that Liberty and Raccon Twnshps are about as far > as you can get from each other. > > Nel > > > HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com > HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm > > ... Digging up the Dead ... > .. Irritating the Living .. > ... It's what I do best! ... > > On 5/28/2011 10:15 AM, [email protected] wrote: >> There is an on-going project to abstract the Parke County probate boxes, so that researchers can know where to find information about individuals. At the same time all the information in each file is being photographed. It's a multi-year project, and the results, including the images, will likely end up on the Parke County genweb page. >> >> >> >> Information being abstracted includes name of decedent, heirs and widow where named, administrator of estate, appraisers of estate, date of the file, and notes of interest. Other court cases are occasionally found in these boxes. >> >> >> >> I volunteer only once a month, so I only get a sketchy view of files; however, I have noted the Miller surname mentioned in the receipts of a Raccoon Twp. estate from the 1830's-40's era. >> >> >> >> Sharon Mills >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "nelhatch"<[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Cc: [email protected] >> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 9:23:52 AM >> Subject: Re: [BRE] William Miller >> >> Merle and all, >> >> My file is on WorldConnect. This will take you to Abraham Timberman. >> http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=nelmiller&id=I98 >> >> His dau, Martha, will take you to William Miller. >> >> Nel >> >> HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com >> HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm >> >> ... Digging up the Dead ... >> .. Irritating the Living .. >> ... It's what I do best! ... >> >> On 5/28/2011 6:08 AM, Merle Rummel wrote: >>> ---------------------------------------- >>> would you give me information on your William Miller - John Miller - and >>> related family? >>> >>> dates and spouse's name would help me match up information - to families i >>> have information on - >>> >>> I have traced the Four Mile Families - including all the children of Elder >>> Jacob Miller - which is my wife's ancestry - I started on that 30-40 years >>> ago - I would have to hunt to find some of my sources. The Four Mile >>> Churches were on the Indiana side of the State Line - but families did move >>> on - I know I do not have information on all the Millers in this area of >>> Indiana - >>> >>> Also, we know that birthdate reports did change. My ancestor down in >>> Clermont Co OH reported himself as 97 years old ("an active farmer") in the >>> 1870 Census - research finds he was actually 10 years older (Revolutionary >>> War records - and the birth of his first child) >>> >>> I have Miller Families in the Kentucky study - there was migration from >>> some of the Kentucky church areas and the Ohio River area up to Vermillion >>> and Putnam Cos IN (some going on to Illinois and west). I do not >>> specifically remember any families going to Parke Co, but I do not have >>> complete information on every individual in these families - so related >>> information may help identify people. >>> >>> Merle >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3663 - Release Date: 05/27/11 06:34:00 >>> >> >> ------------------------ >> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> ------------------------ >> Support Our Sponsoring Agency >> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) >> For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] >> ------------------------ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------ >> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> ------------------------ >> Support Our Sponsoring Agency >> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) >> For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] >> ------------------------ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3665 - Release Date: 05/28/11 06:34:00 >> > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3665 - Release Date: 05/28/11 06:34:00 >

There is an on-going project to abstract the Parke County probate boxes, so that researchers can know where to find information about individuals.  At the same time all the information in each file is being photographed.   It's a multi-year project, and the results, including the images, will likely end up on the Parke County genweb page.  Information being abstracted includes name of decedent, heirs and widow where named, administrator of estate, appraisers of estate, date of the file, and notes of interest.   Other court cases are occasionally found in these boxes. I volunteer only once a month, so I only get a sketchy view of files; however,  I have noted the Miller surname mentioned in the receipts of a Raccoon Twp. estate from the 1830's-40's era. Sharon Mills ----- Original Message ----- From: "nelhatch" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 9:23:52 AM Subject: Re: [BRE] William Miller Merle and all, My file is on WorldConnect. This will take you to Abraham Timberman. http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=nelmiller&id=I98 His dau, Martha, will take you to William Miller. Nel HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm ... Digging up the Dead ... .. Irritating the Living .. ... It's what I do best! ... On 5/28/2011 6:08 AM, Merle Rummel wrote: > > ---------------------------------------- > would you give me information on your William Miller - John Miller - and > related family? > > dates and spouse's name would help me match up information - to families i > have information on - > > I have traced the Four Mile Families - including all the children of Elder > Jacob Miller - which is my wife's ancestry - I started on that 30-40 years > ago - I would have to hunt to find some of my sources.  The Four Mile > Churches were on the Indiana side of the State Line - but families did move > on - I know I do not have information on all the Millers in this area of > Indiana - > > Also, we know that birthdate reports did change.  My ancestor down in > Clermont Co OH reported himself as 97 years old ("an active farmer") in the > 1870 Census - research finds he was actually 10 years older (Revolutionary > War records - and the birth of his first child) > > I have Miller Families in the Kentucky study - there was migration from > some of the Kentucky church areas and the Ohio River area up to Vermillion > and Putnam Cos IN (some going on to Illinois and west).  I do not > specifically remember any families going to Parke Co, but I do not have > complete information on every individual in these families - so related > information may help identify people. > > Merle > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3663 - Release Date: 05/27/11 06:34:00 >                                  ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN                                ------------------------                         Support Our Sponsoring Agency             The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected]                                ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If you use this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parke_County,_Indiana and scroll down to Townships, you can click on the townships to see them on a county map. My William, using his BLM land grants, lived in Liberty Twp but the northern half of his property was in FountainCo. He is in ParkeCo in 1830 but FountainCo thru 1860. I don't know if he died in FountainCo or went to IA with his sons. On the map you'll see that Liberty and Raccon Twnshps are about as far as you can get from each other. Nel HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm ... Digging up the Dead ... .. Irritating the Living .. ... It's what I do best! ... On 5/28/2011 10:15 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > There is an on-going project to abstract the Parke County probate boxes, so that researchers can know where to find information about individuals. At the same time all the information in each file is being photographed. It's a multi-year project, and the results, including the images, will likely end up on the Parke County genweb page. > > > > Information being abstracted includes name of decedent, heirs and widow where named, administrator of estate, appraisers of estate, date of the file, and notes of interest. Other court cases are occasionally found in these boxes. > > > > I volunteer only once a month, so I only get a sketchy view of files; however, I have noted the Miller surname mentioned in the receipts of a Raccoon Twp. estate from the 1830's-40's era. > > > > Sharon Mills > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "nelhatch"<[email protected]> > To: c[email protected] > Cc: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 9:23:52 AM > Subject: Re: [BRE] William Miller > > Merle and all, > > My file is on WorldConnect. This will take you to Abraham Timberman. > http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=nelmiller&id=I98 > > His dau, Martha, will take you to William Miller. > > Nel > > HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com > HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm > > ... Digging up the Dead ... > .. Irritating the Living .. > ... It's what I do best! ... > > On 5/28/2011 6:08 AM, Merle Rummel wrote: >> ---------------------------------------- >> would you give me information on your William Miller - John Miller - and >> related family? >> >> dates and spouse's name would help me match up information - to families i >> have information on - >> >> I have traced the Four Mile Families - including all the children of Elder >> Jacob Miller - which is my wife's ancestry - I started on that 30-40 years >> ago - I would have to hunt to find some of my sources. The Four Mile >> Churches were on the Indiana side of the State Line - but families did move >> on - I know I do not have information on all the Millers in this area of >> Indiana - >> >> Also, we know that birthdate reports did change. My ancestor down in >> Clermont Co OH reported himself as 97 years old ("an active farmer") in the >> 1870 Census - research finds he was actually 10 years older (Revolutionary >> War records - and the birth of his first child) >> >> I have Miller Families in the Kentucky study - there was migration from >> some of the Kentucky church areas and the Ohio River area up to Vermillion >> and Putnam Cos IN (some going on to Illinois and west). I do not >> specifically remember any families going to Parke Co, but I do not have >> complete information on every individual in these families - so related >> information may help identify people. >> >> Merle >> >> >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3663 - Release Date: 05/27/11 06:34:00 >> > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3665 - Release Date: 05/28/11 06:34:00 >

---------------------------------------- would you give me information on your William Miller - John Miller - and related family? dates and spouse's name would help me match up information - to families i have information on - I have traced the Four Mile Families - including all the children of Elder Jacob Miller - which is my wife's ancestry - I started on that 30-40 years ago - I would have to hunt to find some of my sources. The Four Mile Churches were on the Indiana side of the State Line - but families did move on - I know I do not have information on all the Millers in this area of Indiana - Also, we know that birthdate reports did change. My ancestor down in Clermont Co OH reported himself as 97 years old ("an active farmer") in the 1870 Census - research finds he was actually 10 years older (Revolutionary War records - and the birth of his first child) I have Miller Families in the Kentucky study - there was migration from some of the Kentucky church areas and the Ohio River area up to Vermillion and Putnam Cos IN (some going on to Illinois and west). I do not specifically remember any families going to Parke Co, but I do not have complete information on every individual in these families - so related information may help identify people. Merle

Merle and all, My file is on WorldConnect. This will take you to Abraham Timberman. http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=nelmiller&id=I98 His dau, Martha, will take you to William Miller. Nel HATCHER website: http://hatcherfamilyassn.com HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm ... Digging up the Dead ... .. Irritating the Living .. ... It's what I do best! ... On 5/28/2011 6:08 AM, Merle Rummel wrote: > > ---------------------------------------- > would you give me information on your William Miller - John Miller - and > related family? > > dates and spouse's name would help me match up information - to families i > have information on - > > I have traced the Four Mile Families - including all the children of Elder > Jacob Miller - which is my wife's ancestry - I started on that 30-40 years > ago - I would have to hunt to find some of my sources. The Four Mile > Churches were on the Indiana side of the State Line - but families did move > on - I know I do not have information on all the Millers in this area of > Indiana - > > Also, we know that birthdate reports did change. My ancestor down in > Clermont Co OH reported himself as 97 years old ("an active farmer") in the > 1870 Census - research finds he was actually 10 years older (Revolutionary > War records - and the birth of his first child) > > I have Miller Families in the Kentucky study - there was migration from > some of the Kentucky church areas and the Ohio River area up to Vermillion > and Putnam Cos IN (some going on to Illinois and west). I do not > specifically remember any families going to Parke Co, but I do not have > complete information on every individual in these families - so related > information may help identify people. > > Merle > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3663 - Release Date: 05/27/11 06:34:00 >

Nel, If this helps any, Parke Co is the county northwest of Putnam Co in Indiana http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.accessgenealogy.com/indiana/incty.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.accessgenealogy.com/indiana/incty.htm&h=681&w=477&sz=32&tbnid=16JIxbCWhaurWM:&tbnh=139&tbnw=97&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dindiana%2Bcounties%2Bmap%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=indiana+counties+map&usg=__uOp95hBUTrggpqa-4u_GOKnxk50=&sa=X&ei=hh3gTaLkMNTogQfyzvDdCg&ved=0CDIQ9QEwCA It was very common for people to migrate between the 2 counties. Looks like you're on to something! Suzy -----Original Message----- From: Merle Rummel <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Sent: Fri, May 27, 2011 5:31 pm Subject: [BRE] William Miller On William Miller Then I came across Merle's series of posts on the Kentucky churches and realized I might have just found my first KY to IN connection. It seems even more likely that my William belonged to one of the Baptist churches who were booted out at the 1822 Annual Meeting with some of those families moving north into southern IN followed by William marrying in 1823. Here would be another clue. William seemed to have used the naming pattern of the times with his first 5 children named John, Abram, Nancy, Samuel and Mary. 1) John being Wm's father, 2) Abram being Martha's father, 3) Nancy being Martha's mother OR the name of BOTH their mothers, 5) Mary being Wm's mother. It is proven that 2 and 3 or correct, implying that Wm's father would be John and his mother Mary UNLESS she was also a Nancy. I've been trying to mow 200 acres of grass - in between the rains - and just now got to reading your message Potter John Miller (son of Elder Jacob Miller - wife Phoebe McClure) had an eldest son: William (b 1793) I have no other information on William BUT - all the rest of Potter John's children (except the youngest - Abraham) went to Park Co IN - 1818 and soon after - Potter John and Phoebe went in 1823, but returned about 1848 to Union Co IN. (Children were: Jacob; Tobias; Mary; John; Daniel; James; Barbara - and spouses) There were others from the Four Mile who went that way - the Raccoon Creek Church was formed among all of these - in northwester Putnam Co - which I do not know how close that would be to the Miller children. Merle ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On William Miller Then I came across Merle's series of posts on the Kentucky churches and realized I might have just found my first KY to IN connection. It seems even more likely that my William belonged to one of the Baptist churches who were booted out at the 1822 Annual Meeting with some of those families moving north into southern IN followed by William marrying in 1823. Here would be another clue. William seemed to have used the naming pattern of the times with his first 5 children named John, Abram, Nancy, Samuel and Mary. 1) John being Wm's father, 2) Abram being Martha's father, 3) Nancy being Martha's mother OR the name of BOTH their mothers, 5) Mary being Wm's mother. It is proven that 2 and 3 or correct, implying that Wm's father would be John and his mother Mary UNLESS she was also a Nancy. I've been trying to mow 200 acres of grass - in between the rains - and just now got to reading your message Potter John Miller (son of Elder Jacob Miller - wife Phoebe McClure) had an eldest son: William (b 1793) I have no other information on William BUT - all the rest of Potter John's children (except the youngest - Abraham) went to Park Co IN - 1818 and soon after - Potter John and Phoebe went in 1823, but returned about 1848 to Union Co IN. (Children were: Jacob; Tobias; Mary; John; Daniel; James; Barbara - and spouses) There were others from the Four Mile who went that way - the Raccoon Creek Church was formed among all of these - in northwester Putnam Co - which I do not know how close that would be to the Miller children. Merle