Her is some guidance in the process of determining what the future value might be with an assumed rate of growth. [1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_value -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [BRE] Calculator for comparison of wealth Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 19:32:22 -0500 From: Richard [2]<[email protected]> To: [3][email protected] Try this site. You may need to do a little background research of the terms used. [4]http://www.uic.edu/classes/actg/actg500/pfvatutor.htm R. W. Brock On 6/29/2011 5:54 PM, David Myers wrote: Does anyone on the list know of a place where I can find a good calculator for comparison of wealth? I am interested in doing comparisons between one year and another. For instance, the expansion of the Germantown Church of the Brethren was completed for $10,000 but it's probably hard for most people to get a feel for how much that is in 2011 dollars. Can anyone direct me to a good website, book, etc.? Thanks. David Myers ____________________________________________________________ 57 Year Old Mom Looks 27! Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! [5]http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e0bae93c3b1b5bf8m07vuc ------------------------ Search the Archives at [6]http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams [7]mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [8][email protected] web.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the b ody of the message References 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_value 2. mailto:[email protected] 3. mailto:[email protected] 4. http://www.uic.edu/classes/actg/actg500/pfvatutor.htm 5. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e0bae93c3b1b5bf8m07vuc 6. http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN 7. mailto:[email protected] 8. mailto:[email protected]

Try this site. You may need to do a little background research of the terms used. [1]http://www.uic.edu/classes/actg/actg500/pfvatutor.htm R. W. Brock On 6/29/2011 5:54 PM, David Myers wrote: Does anyone on the list know of a place where I can find a good calculator for comparison of wealth? I am interested in doing comparisons between one year and another. For instance, the expansion of the Germantown Church of the Brethren was completed for $10,000 but it's probably hard for most people to get a feel for how much that is in 2011 dollars. Can anyone direct me to a good website, book, etc.? Thanks. David Myers ____________________________________________________________ 57 Year Old Mom Looks 27! Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! [2]http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e0bae93c3b1b5bf8m07vuc ------------------------ Search the Archives at [3]http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams [4]mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [5][email protected] web.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the b ody of the message References 1. http://www.uic.edu/classes/actg/actg500/pfvatutor.htm 2. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e0bae93c3b1b5bf8m07vuc 3. http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN 4. mailto:[email protected] 5. mailto:[email protected]

David, try _www.measuringwealth.com/calculators_ (http://www.measuringwealth.com/calculators) . Sherry Petry In a message dated 6/29/2011 7:02:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Does anyone on the list know of a place where I can find a good calculator for comparison of wealth? I am interested in doing comparisons between one year and another. For instance, the expansion of the Germantown Church of the Brethren was completed for $10,000 but it's probably hard for most people to get a feel for how much that is in 2011 dollars. Can anyone direct me to a good website, book, etc.? Thanks. David Myers -------------------------------

Does anyone on the list know of a place where I can find a good calculator for comparison of wealth? I am interested in doing comparisons between one year and another. For instance, the expansion of the Germantown Church of the Brethren was completed for $10,000 but it's probably hard for most people to get a feel for how much that is in 2011 dollars. Can anyone direct me to a good website, book, etc.? Thanks. David Myers ____________________________________________________________ 57 Year Old Mom Looks 27! Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e0bae93c3b1b5bf8m07vuc

I also am curious as to whether the wife of Jacob Z. Davis, Elizabeth (McGregor) Davis, has an obit in a Brethren magazine. Wayne Webb let me have access to an article on the expansion of the Germantown Church of the Brethren, and the article mentioned that Mrs. Davis was very regretful that she wasn't going to be able to live long enough to see the expansion of the church building take place. Her family was Presbyterian but, by this time, she may not have been. She died 16 Sep 1896 in San Francisco, CA. Thanks. David Myers ____________________________________________________________ 57 Year Old Mom Looks 27! Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e0bae93d23655bf9m07vuc

I want to thank the people who weighed in on the issue of Brethren doctrine and Free Masonry. I was afraid that there wouldn't be a definitive conclusion to the question and it turns out that I was right. I do I have a few more arrows in my quiver for establishing the religion of Jacob Z. Davis. I'm curious if anyone on the list has access to an obit for Jacob Z. Davis, who died 28 Oct 1896 at the Continental Hotel in Philadelphia, PA. He was in Philadelphia to see to the process that he had started to build an expansion of the Germantown Church of the Brethren. Because of this, his death might have been listed in a Brethren magazine purely for that reason. The writer of the obit might have mentioned whether he was a member of the church or not. Just an idea. Thanks. David Myers ____________________________________________________________ 57 Year Old Mom Looks 27! Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e0bae93d367e5bfam07vuc

Good Morning! Just as info, just did a search of Marshall Co IL Deaths ... found something interesting? Geo Wise, Sr. supposedly died Oct 9, 1872, at Wenona, aged 80 years ... burial on Oct. 17, 1872. Unable to get a cemetery name. No mention of his wife's burial. However, their search engine states: Marshall County Obituaries and Death Notices: He has been a resident of this county for 13 years. George WISE, Sr. Oct 17, Wenona, Oct. 9, George Wise, Sr., aged 80 years ... He was married to Margarent Henslee of Licking county ..." A second marriage to a woman with the same first name? Wouldn't be the first time! Guess that only adds to the confusion ... Mary Jo (Ulrey) Vepley Gurnee, Lake Co, IL On Jun 29, 2011, at 7:58 AM, Ruth Hoese wrote: > Judy, > It was David wise, son of Adam Wise, Jr. Three of his sons, Adam, > David > and John, became ministers in the Brethren Church, and if I remember > correctly all became Church of the Brethren when that split happened. > In my notes I have that two of his grandsons were also. I also > know that > in my children's generation there is one Methodist minister, a son > of my > older brother. Probably a lot of them out there. > I have a lot of other information on this family if you write me > privately I > can attach it. However getting it together will take some time, I am > planning on a visit from my great grandbabies over the 4th. A 20 > month old > and twins 5 months old. We will be busy. > > Descendants of Adam Wise, Jr. > > 1 Adam Wise, Jr. b: Feb 24, 1763 in Maryland d: Jul > 15, 1842 > in Washington County, Penn > . +Barbara Zollars b: Abt. 1759 in Washington County, > Penn d: > Sep 29, 1852 in Washington County, Penn > ....... 2 Elizabeth Wise b: May 8, 1785 in Washington > County, > Penn d: Unknown in Washington County, Penn > ........... +Jacob Shidler, Jr. b: Abt. 1780 in Washington > County, > Penn d: Unknown in Washington County, Penn > ................ 3 George B. Shidler b: Aft. 1800 > ................ 3 Adam Wise Shidler b: 1818 in West > Bethlehem, > Washington Co, Penn > .................... +Mary Ann Kelley > ................ 3 Joseph Shidler b: Aft. 1800 > ................ 3 Andrew J. Shidler b: Aft. 1810 > ................ 3 Samuel B. Shidler b: Aft. 1818 > ....... 2 David Wise b: Mar 8, 1787 in West Bethlehem, > Washington > Co, Penn d: Jul 9, 1858 in West Bethlehem, Washington Co, Penn > ........... +Esther Shidler b: Abt. 1790 in probably > Washington > Co, PA d: Aft. Sep 11, 1824 in West Bethlehem, Washington Co, Penn > ................ 3 Adam Wise b: Feb 10, 1809 in West > Bethlehem, > Washington Co, Penn d: Jan 19, 1897 in Quiet Dell Cemetery, Aleppo, > Greene Co, PA > .................... +Cynthia Hupp b: Nov 3, 1812 d: > Apr 13, > 1848 in West Bethlehem, Washington Co, Penn > ................ *2nd Wife of Adam Wise: > .................... +Elizabeth Bennington b: 1812 > ................ 3 Barbara Wise b: Jul 17, 1810 in West > Bethlehem, Washington Co, Penn d: Nov 8, 1858 > .................... +John Gayman b: Dec 25, 1806 d: > Nov 22, > 1884 > ................ 3 Hannah Wise b: Dec 21, 1811 > ................ 3 George Wise b: Oct 28, 1813 d: in > near > Moundsville, W VA > .................... +Nancy Keys b: Abt. 1820 > ................ *2nd Wife of George Wise: > .................... +Minerva White b: Abt. 1820 in Greene > Co, PA > d: in California > ................ 3 Elizabeth Wise b: Oct 19, 1815 in West > Bethlehem, Washington Co, Penn d: in Washington County, Penn > .................... +Neal Garber b: Abt. 1815 in West > Bethlehem, > Washington Co, Penn d: in Washington County, Penn > ................ 3 David Wise, Jr. b: Apr 17, 1817 in > Washington > County, Penn d: Apr 28, 1900 in Egbert Cemetery, Tiffin, OH > .................... +Charlotte Ross b: 1819 d: 1906 in > Egbert > Cemetery, Tiffin, OH > ................ 3 Anne Wise b: Nov 13, 1818 in West > Bethlehem, > Washington Co, Penn d: in Fairview Church, near Masontown, PA > .................... +John Cover b: Abt. 1818 > ................ 3 Henry Wise b: Jul 13, 1820 in West > Bethlehem, > Washington Co, Penn > .................... +Jane Holder b: Abt. 1820 > ................ 3 John Wise b: May 18, 1822 in West > Bethlehem, > Washington Co, Penn d: Jun 26, 1909 in Conway Springs, Kansas > .................... +Nancy Grable b: Apr 12, 1826 in West > Bethlehem, Washington Co, Penn d: Feb 22, 1901 in Conway Springs, > Kansas > ................ 3 Benjamin Wise b: Sep 11, 1824 in West > Bethlehem, Washington Co, Penn > .................... +Nancy Anne Keller > ....... *2nd Wife of David Wise: > ........... +Rachel Garrett b: Abt. 1800 in probably > Washington > Co, PA d: in probably Washington Co, PA > ................ 3 Amos Wise b: Apr 27, 1831 in West > Bethlehem, > Washington Co, Penn d: in Lone Pine, Washington CO, PA > .................... +"Miss" Grandee b: Abt. 1831 d: in > Washington County, Penn > ................ *2nd Wife of Amos Wise: > .................... +"Miss" Mc Clelland b: Abt. 1840 > d: in > Lone Pine, Washington CO, PA > ................ 3 Mary J. Wise b: Jul 22, 1832 in West > Bethlehem, Washington Co, Penn d: in Buckingham Cemetery, Sandy > Plains, > PA > .................... +Edward Piper b: Abt. 1832 > ................ 3 Lida Wise b: Dec 29, 1834 > .................... +John Young b: Abt. 1830 > ................ 3 Nicholas Wise b: Nov 13, 1836 > ................ 3 Maria Wise b: Mar 16, 1839 d: in Horn > Cemetery, near Zollarsville, PA > ................ 3 Isabelle Wise b: Oct 27, 1840 > ................ 3 Jacob Wise b: Feb 23, 1843 d: in West > Newton, PA > .................... +"Miss" Zollars b: Abt. 1845 d: in > West > Newton, PA > ................ 3 Isaac Wise b: Jan 6, 1845 > ....... 2 Samuel Wise b: Aug 10, 1789 in Washington > County, Penn > d: Unknown in Knox Co. Ohio > ........... +Elizabeth Shidler b: Abt. 1792 in Washington > Co, PA > d: Aft. 1824 in Knox Co. Ohio > ....... 2 George Wise b: Nov 1791 in Washington County, > Penn > d: Unknown in Marshall Co. Ill > ........... +Margaret Christian Ullery b: Dec 6, 1796 d: > Unknown in Marshall Co. Ill > ................ 3 Maria Wise b: Feb 16, 1816 in > Wahington Co, Pa > d: Aug 8, 1895 in Lincoln, Nebraska > .................... +Abraham (Abner?) Hoge b: Abt. 1816 in > probably Washington Co, PA d: Feb 26, 1890 in LaSalle Co, IL > ................ 3 Elizabeth Wise b: Jun 20, 1818 in > Wahington > Co, Pa d: Jan 20, 1909 in Wenona, IL > .................... +John Grim b: Abt. 1785 d: Sep 14, > 1860 in > Greene Co, PA > ................ 3 Stephen Ulery Wise b: Aug 29, 1820 in > Ruff's > Creek, Greene Co, PA d: Oct 1, 1860 in Kansas > .................... +Maria Wiley b: Abt. 1785 d: > Unknown in > Kansas > ................ 3 [2] Hannah Wise b: Oct 22, 1822 in > Ruff's > Creek, Greene Co, PA d: Nov 15, 1905 in Kansas > .................... +[1] Solomon B. Wise b: Abt. 1820 > d: Oct > 6, 1910 in Kansas > ................ *2nd Husband of [2] Hannah Wise: > .................... +[1] Solomon B. Wise b: Abt. 1820 > d: Oct > 6, 1910 in Kansas > ................ 3 Jackson Wise b: 1824 d: Jun 18, > 1853 in > Ruff's Creek, Greene Co, PA > .................... +Elizabeth Whitelatch b: Abt. 1824 > ................ 3 Isabella Wise b: Abt. 1835 in Ruff's > Creek, > Greene Co, PA d: Unknown in Iowa > .................... +Spouse of Isabella Wise > ................ 3 Morgan Wise b: 1828 in Ruff's Creek, > Greene > Co, PA d: Apr 15, 1896 in Iowas > .................... +Jane Hoge b: Abt. 1785 d: Unknown > in Iowa > ................ 3 George Adam Wise b: Sep 17, 1833 in > Ruff's > Creek, Greene Co, PA d: Unknown in Ill. > .................... +Lydia Gantz b: Abt. 1785 d: > Unknown in > Ill. > ................ *2nd Wife of George Adam Wise: > .................... +Eliza Seine > ................ 3 Margaret Christian Wise b: Jun 28, > 1836 in > Ruff's Creek, Greene Co, PA d: Dec 14, 1876 in Iowa > .................... +Washington Irving Colvin b: Abt. > 1830 d: > Unknown in Iowa > ................ 3 Matilda Wise b: Jun 1839 in Greene Co, > PA > .................... +Samuel A. Clark b: Abt. 1839 > ....... 2 Frederick Wise b: Abt. 1793 in West Bethlehem, > Washington Co, Penn d: Feb 14, 1876 in Wise Cemetery, Washington > Co. Penn > ........... +Elizabeth Burson b: Jan 26, 1799 in > Clarksville, Pa > d: Dec 23, 1879 in Washington County, Penn > ................ 3 Adam Wise b: Abt. 1820 d: Abt. 1825 > ................ 3 Emmeline Wise b: Nov 28, 1820 in > Greene Co, > Penn d: in Green Co. Pa > .................... +Richard Hawkins b: Abt. 1820 d: > in Green > Co. Pa > ................ 3 Margaret Wise b: Oct 2, 1818 d: Jan > 15, > 1892 in Washington County, Penn > .................... +James C. Hawkins b: Oct 9, 1808 in > West > Bethlehem, Washington Co, Penn d: Mar 24, 1836 in Washington > County, Penn > ................ 3 Joseph B. Wise b: May 29, 1833 in > Washington > County, Penn d: in Bentlyville Cemetery, Washington Co, PA > .................... +Sarah V. Stockdale b: Abt. 1830 in > Morris > Twp, Greene Co, Penn d: in Bentlyville Cemetery, Washington Co, PA > ....... 2 Rebecca Wise b: Nov 20, 1795 in Washington > County, Penn > d: Unknown in Knox Co ,Ohio > ........... +Peter Crumrine b: Abt. 1795 in Greene Co, > PA d: > Unknown in Knox Co ,Ohio > ....... 2 Joseph Wise, Sr. b: May 22, 1797 in West > Bethlehem, > Washington Co, Penn d: Apr 20, 1863 in Washington County, Penn > ........... +Permelia Barnard b: Abt. 1780 in Washington > County, > Penn d: Apr 20, 1863 in Washington County, Penn > ................ 3 [1] Solomon B. Wise b: Abt. 1820 d: > Oct 6, > 1910 in Kansas > .................... +[2] Hannah Wise b: Oct 22, 1822 in > Ruff's > Creek, Greene Co, PA d: Nov 15, 1905 in Kansas > ................ *2nd Wife of [1] Solomon B. Wise: > .................... +[2] Hannah Wise b: Oct 22, 1822 in > Ruff's > Creek, Greene Co, PA d: Nov 15, 1905 in Kansas > ................ 3 Morgan Wise b: Abt. 1820 > .................... +Kate Hook b: Abt. 1820 > ................ 3 Mary Wise b: Abt. 1820 > .................... +J. Miller Day b: Abt. 1820 > ................ 3 Rebecca Wise b: Abt. 1820 > ................ 3 Maria Wise b: Abt. 1820 > .................... +Josiah Scott b: Abt. 1820 > ................ 3 Joseph Wise, Jr. b: Abt. 1820 > .................... +Mary Reynolds > ................ 3 Emily Wise b: Abt. 1820 > ................ 3 Barbara Wise b: Abt. 1820 > ....... 2 Solomon Wise b: May 16, 1799 in Washington > County, Penn > d: Unknown in probably in Ohio > ........... +Harriet Alexander b: Abt. 1800 in Washington > County, > Penn d: Abt. 1825 in Washington County, Penn > ................ 3 Sarah Jane Wise b: Abt. 1820 > ................ 3 Alexander Wise b: Abt. 1820 > ................ 3 Adam T. Wise b: Abt. 1825 > ....... *2nd Wife of Solomon Wise: > ........... +Jane Alexander b: Abt. 1800 in Washington > County, > Penn d: Unknown in Ohio? > ................ 3 Harriet Wise b: Abt. 1830 > ................ 3 Emma Wise b: Abt. 1830 > ................ 3 Leonidas Wise b: Abt. 1830 > ................ 3 Hamlin Wise b: Abt. 1830 > > -----Original Message----- > From: J.A. Florian > Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 9:13 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BRE] Brethren "significance" and national significance > > YES! Thank you, Ruth, for providing the family details. Who were the > parents of Elder John Wise, born 1822? > > Judy > > On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Ruth Hoese <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The Adam Wise family was in the Ten Mile area beginning in at least >> 1770. >> According to Joseph B. Wise in the book The Wise Family,"Adam Wise >> and his >> family carried on the business of milling and distillation of wine in >> Germany, as well as in Maryland and Pennsylvania," pg. 14. It goes >> on to >> say, the land was originally in Westmoreland County and was a >> tomahawk >> improvement....... The land was patented by Peter Wise in 1788 as >> "The >> Fishery." >> >> The house still standing there was built around 1790. >> >> Adam Wise's youngest daughter, Judith, married "Rev" John Spohn son >> of >> Martin and Mary Magdalena (Leatherman) Spohn. > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams > mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams > mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

Bob, Here is what I have found on this Adam Miller: >In c1759 Adam Muller married Anna Margareth widow of George Schweinhardt. >She was born c1691 and died 5/19/1776 >Per 1760 deed (No. 919) George Swineyard estate, references Adam Miller and >wife Margaret, formerly wife of George Swineyard. >In 1764 Adam Miller, mason, sold to Henry Peckener two tracts, one tanyard. >Wife Margaret released dower. >Per 1766 deed Adam Miller sold 432 acres, Miller's Chance (Choice?), part >of Resurvey of Welsh Cabbin, to Abraham (son of Adam) and Jacob Muller. >Adam's wife Margaret released dower. The sale of Miller's Chance is very confusing to me because Abraham Miller who died in 1754 owned 1289 acres called Resurvey of Miller's Chance on Fishing Creek a branch of Monocacy. I don't know if the 432 acres Adam Miller sold was part of Abraham Miller's tract. Or, if they were related. Art Miller, Louisville -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bob Harter" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 6:21 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BRE] Brethren Millers > two questions: > Do you know who this mentioned Adam Miller would have been? Jacob Petry > Jr. > married Magdelena Miller, whose father was an Adam Miller. So far I have > been able to find any information on him. > Do you find any Harters in the non-enroller list? Three brothers (without > looking it up I believe it was Christian, Adam, and Frantz) were brought > before the court for not enrolling and pleaded innocence - Adam married > Anthony Hardman's daughter and moved to Washington Co. PA with or after > the > Hardman family. > > Bob Harter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Thomas" <[email protected]> > To: "'Art Miller'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 3:52 PM > Subject: Re: [BRE] Brethren Millers > > >> Art: >> >> I have a copy of the 1776 non-enrollers list for Washington County, MD, >> that >> lists "Dunkars & Menonist" fines. The list includes Abraham Miller, >> David >> Miller, and David Miller son of Philip. It goes onto list an appraisal >> of >> guns (what ever that means) in 1777 and includes a Henry Miller. >> >> Point being there were several Miller's in Washington County, some of who >> were Dunkers or Mennonites, a name common to both denominations. >> >> If you move to the 1776 non-enroller list for Frederick County, MD, which >> includes Anthony Hardman and Nicholas Leatherman (I believe Daniel's >> brother), you have even more Millers. You have Jacob Miller, Jacob >> Miller >> s/o Adam, Abraham Miller, Peter Miller, Stephen Miller, Solomon Miller, >> Robert Miller, Henry Miller, Philip Miller, David Miller and Daniel >> Miller, >> all fined, and implying a Dunker/Mennonite/Quaker religious affiliation. >> So >> you have a lot of potential Millers your ancestor could be affiliated >> with. >> >> In case you are not familiar with the non-enroller listing, these are >> people >> who refused to show up for militia musters. They may have done this for >> religious reasons or they were loyalists. >> >> Having Amish Miller's in my family, it becomes quite challenging trying >> separate one Miller from another. >> >> Bill Thomas >> >> >> >> ------------------------ >> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> ------------------------ >> Support Our Sponsoring Agency >> The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) >> For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] >> ------------------------ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Judy, It was David wise, son of Adam Wise, Jr. Three of his sons, Adam, David and John, became ministers in the Brethren Church, and if I remember correctly all became Church of the Brethren when that split happened. In my notes I have that two of his grandsons were also. I also know that in my children's generation there is one Methodist minister, a son of my older brother. Probably a lot of them out there. I have a lot of other information on this family if you write me privately I can attach it. However getting it together will take some time, I am planning on a visit from my great grandbabies over the 4th. A 20 month old and twins 5 months old. We will be busy. Descendants of Adam Wise, Jr. 1 Adam Wise, Jr. b: Feb 24, 1763 in Maryland d: Jul 15, 1842 in Washington County, Penn . +Barbara Zollars b: Abt. 1759 in Washington County, Penn d: Sep 29, 1852 in Washington County, Penn ....... 2 Elizabeth Wise b: May 8, 1785 in Washington County, Penn d: Unknown in Washington County, Penn ........... +Jacob Shidler, Jr. b: Abt. 1780 in Washington County, Penn d: Unknown in Washington County, Penn ................ 3 George B. Shidler b: Aft. 1800 ................ 3 Adam Wise Shidler b: 1818 in West Bethlehem, Washington Co, Penn .................... +Mary Ann Kelley ................ 3 Joseph Shidler b: Aft. 1800 ................ 3 Andrew J. Shidler b: Aft. 1810 ................ 3 Samuel B. Shidler b: Aft. 1818 ....... 2 David Wise b: Mar 8, 1787 in West Bethlehem, Washington Co, Penn d: Jul 9, 1858 in West Bethlehem, Washington Co, Penn ........... +Esther Shidler b: Abt. 1790 in probably Washington Co, PA d: Aft. Sep 11, 1824 in West Bethlehem, Washington Co, Penn ................ 3 Adam Wise b: Feb 10, 1809 in West Bethlehem, Washington Co, Penn d: Jan 19, 1897 in Quiet Dell Cemetery, Aleppo, Greene Co, PA .................... +Cynthia Hupp b: Nov 3, 1812 d: Apr 13, 1848 in West Bethlehem, Washington Co, Penn ................ *2nd Wife of Adam Wise: .................... +Elizabeth Bennington b: 1812 ................ 3 Barbara Wise b: Jul 17, 1810 in West Bethlehem, Washington Co, Penn d: Nov 8, 1858 .................... +John Gayman b: Dec 25, 1806 d: Nov 22, 1884 ................ 3 Hannah Wise b: Dec 21, 1811 ................ 3 George Wise b: Oct 28, 1813 d: in near Moundsville, W VA .................... +Nancy Keys b: Abt. 1820 ................ *2nd Wife of George Wise: .................... +Minerva White b: Abt. 1820 in Greene Co, PA d: in California ................ 3 Elizabeth Wise b: Oct 19, 1815 in West Bethlehem, Washington Co, Penn d: in Washington County, Penn .................... +Neal Garber b: Abt. 1815 in West Bethlehem, Washington Co, Penn d: in Washington County, Penn ................ 3 David Wise, Jr. b: Apr 17, 1817 in Washington County, Penn d: Apr 28, 1900 in Egbert Cemetery, Tiffin, OH .................... +Charlotte Ross b: 1819 d: 1906 in Egbert Cemetery, Tiffin, OH ................ 3 Anne Wise b: Nov 13, 1818 in West Bethlehem, Washington Co, Penn d: in Fairview Church, near Masontown, PA .................... +John Cover b: Abt. 1818 ................ 3 Henry Wise b: Jul 13, 1820 in West Bethlehem, Washington Co, Penn .................... +Jane Holder b: Abt. 1820 ................ 3 John Wise b: May 18, 1822 in West Bethlehem, Washington Co, Penn d: Jun 26, 1909 in Conway Springs, Kansas .................... +Nancy Grable b: Apr 12, 1826 in West Bethlehem, Washington Co, Penn d: Feb 22, 1901 in Conway Springs, Kansas ................ 3 Benjamin Wise b: Sep 11, 1824 in West Bethlehem, Washington Co, Penn .................... +Nancy Anne Keller ....... *2nd Wife of David Wise: ........... +Rachel Garrett b: Abt. 1800 in probably Washington Co, PA d: in probably Washington Co, PA ................ 3 Amos Wise b: Apr 27, 1831 in West Bethlehem, Washington Co, Penn d: in Lone Pine, Washington CO, PA .................... +"Miss" Grandee b: Abt. 1831 d: in Washington County, Penn ................ *2nd Wife of Amos Wise: .................... +"Miss" Mc Clelland b: Abt. 1840 d: in Lone Pine, Washington CO, PA ................ 3 Mary J. Wise b: Jul 22, 1832 in West Bethlehem, Washington Co, Penn d: in Buckingham Cemetery, Sandy Plains, PA .................... +Edward Piper b: Abt. 1832 ................ 3 Lida Wise b: Dec 29, 1834 .................... +John Young b: Abt. 1830 ................ 3 Nicholas Wise b: Nov 13, 1836 ................ 3 Maria Wise b: Mar 16, 1839 d: in Horn Cemetery, near Zollarsville, PA ................ 3 Isabelle Wise b: Oct 27, 1840 ................ 3 Jacob Wise b: Feb 23, 1843 d: in West Newton, PA .................... +"Miss" Zollars b: Abt. 1845 d: in West Newton, PA ................ 3 Isaac Wise b: Jan 6, 1845 ....... 2 Samuel Wise b: Aug 10, 1789 in Washington County, Penn d: Unknown in Knox Co. Ohio ........... +Elizabeth Shidler b: Abt. 1792 in Washington Co, PA d: Aft. 1824 in Knox Co. Ohio ....... 2 George Wise b: Nov 1791 in Washington County, Penn d: Unknown in Marshall Co. Ill ........... +Margaret Christian Ullery b: Dec 6, 1796 d: Unknown in Marshall Co. Ill ................ 3 Maria Wise b: Feb 16, 1816 in Wahington Co, Pa d: Aug 8, 1895 in Lincoln, Nebraska .................... +Abraham (Abner?) Hoge b: Abt. 1816 in probably Washington Co, PA d: Feb 26, 1890 in LaSalle Co, IL ................ 3 Elizabeth Wise b: Jun 20, 1818 in Wahington Co, Pa d: Jan 20, 1909 in Wenona, IL .................... +John Grim b: Abt. 1785 d: Sep 14, 1860 in Greene Co, PA ................ 3 Stephen Ulery Wise b: Aug 29, 1820 in Ruff's Creek, Greene Co, PA d: Oct 1, 1860 in Kansas .................... +Maria Wiley b: Abt. 1785 d: Unknown in Kansas ................ 3 [2] Hannah Wise b: Oct 22, 1822 in Ruff's Creek, Greene Co, PA d: Nov 15, 1905 in Kansas .................... +[1] Solomon B. Wise b: Abt. 1820 d: Oct 6, 1910 in Kansas ................ *2nd Husband of [2] Hannah Wise: .................... +[1] Solomon B. Wise b: Abt. 1820 d: Oct 6, 1910 in Kansas ................ 3 Jackson Wise b: 1824 d: Jun 18, 1853 in Ruff's Creek, Greene Co, PA .................... +Elizabeth Whitelatch b: Abt. 1824 ................ 3 Isabella Wise b: Abt. 1835 in Ruff's Creek, Greene Co, PA d: Unknown in Iowa .................... +Spouse of Isabella Wise ................ 3 Morgan Wise b: 1828 in Ruff's Creek, Greene Co, PA d: Apr 15, 1896 in Iowas .................... +Jane Hoge b: Abt. 1785 d: Unknown in Iowa ................ 3 George Adam Wise b: Sep 17, 1833 in Ruff's Creek, Greene Co, PA d: Unknown in Ill. .................... +Lydia Gantz b: Abt. 1785 d: Unknown in Ill. ................ *2nd Wife of George Adam Wise: .................... +Eliza Seine ................ 3 Margaret Christian Wise b: Jun 28, 1836 in Ruff's Creek, Greene Co, PA d: Dec 14, 1876 in Iowa .................... +Washington Irving Colvin b: Abt. 1830 d: Unknown in Iowa ................ 3 Matilda Wise b: Jun 1839 in Greene Co, PA .................... +Samuel A. Clark b: Abt. 1839 ....... 2 Frederick Wise b: Abt. 1793 in West Bethlehem, Washington Co, Penn d: Feb 14, 1876 in Wise Cemetery, Washington Co. Penn ........... +Elizabeth Burson b: Jan 26, 1799 in Clarksville, Pa d: Dec 23, 1879 in Washington County, Penn ................ 3 Adam Wise b: Abt. 1820 d: Abt. 1825 ................ 3 Emmeline Wise b: Nov 28, 1820 in Greene Co, Penn d: in Green Co. Pa .................... +Richard Hawkins b: Abt. 1820 d: in Green Co. Pa ................ 3 Margaret Wise b: Oct 2, 1818 d: Jan 15, 1892 in Washington County, Penn .................... +James C. Hawkins b: Oct 9, 1808 in West Bethlehem, Washington Co, Penn d: Mar 24, 1836 in Washington County, Penn ................ 3 Joseph B. Wise b: May 29, 1833 in Washington County, Penn d: in Bentlyville Cemetery, Washington Co, PA .................... +Sarah V. Stockdale b: Abt. 1830 in Morris Twp, Greene Co, Penn d: in Bentlyville Cemetery, Washington Co, PA ....... 2 Rebecca Wise b: Nov 20, 1795 in Washington County, Penn d: Unknown in Knox Co ,Ohio ........... +Peter Crumrine b: Abt. 1795 in Greene Co, PA d: Unknown in Knox Co ,Ohio ....... 2 Joseph Wise, Sr. b: May 22, 1797 in West Bethlehem, Washington Co, Penn d: Apr 20, 1863 in Washington County, Penn ........... +Permelia Barnard b: Abt. 1780 in Washington County, Penn d: Apr 20, 1863 in Washington County, Penn ................ 3 [1] Solomon B. Wise b: Abt. 1820 d: Oct 6, 1910 in Kansas .................... +[2] Hannah Wise b: Oct 22, 1822 in Ruff's Creek, Greene Co, PA d: Nov 15, 1905 in Kansas ................ *2nd Wife of [1] Solomon B. Wise: .................... +[2] Hannah Wise b: Oct 22, 1822 in Ruff's Creek, Greene Co, PA d: Nov 15, 1905 in Kansas ................ 3 Morgan Wise b: Abt. 1820 .................... +Kate Hook b: Abt. 1820 ................ 3 Mary Wise b: Abt. 1820 .................... +J. Miller Day b: Abt. 1820 ................ 3 Rebecca Wise b: Abt. 1820 ................ 3 Maria Wise b: Abt. 1820 .................... +Josiah Scott b: Abt. 1820 ................ 3 Joseph Wise, Jr. b: Abt. 1820 .................... +Mary Reynolds ................ 3 Emily Wise b: Abt. 1820 ................ 3 Barbara Wise b: Abt. 1820 ....... 2 Solomon Wise b: May 16, 1799 in Washington County, Penn d: Unknown in probably in Ohio ........... +Harriet Alexander b: Abt. 1800 in Washington County, Penn d: Abt. 1825 in Washington County, Penn ................ 3 Sarah Jane Wise b: Abt. 1820 ................ 3 Alexander Wise b: Abt. 1820 ................ 3 Adam T. Wise b: Abt. 1825 ....... *2nd Wife of Solomon Wise: ........... +Jane Alexander b: Abt. 1800 in Washington County, Penn d: Unknown in Ohio? ................ 3 Harriet Wise b: Abt. 1830 ................ 3 Emma Wise b: Abt. 1830 ................ 3 Leonidas Wise b: Abt. 1830 ................ 3 Hamlin Wise b: Abt. 1830 -----Original Message----- From: J.A. Florian Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 9:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] Brethren "significance" and national significance YES! Thank you, Ruth, for providing the family details. Who were the parents of Elder John Wise, born 1822? Judy On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Ruth Hoese <[email protected]> wrote: > The Adam Wise family was in the Ten Mile area beginning in at least 1770. > According to Joseph B. Wise in the book The Wise Family,"Adam Wise and his > family carried on the business of milling and distillation of wine in > Germany, as well as in Maryland and Pennsylvania," pg. 14. It goes on to > say, the land was originally in Westmoreland County and was a tomahawk > improvement....... The land was patented by Peter Wise in 1788 as "The > Fishery." > > The house still standing there was built around 1790. > > Adam Wise's youngest daughter, Judith, married "Rev" John Spohn son of > Martin and Mary Magdalena (Leatherman) Spohn. ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

YES! Thank you, Ruth, for providing the family details. Who were the parents of Elder John Wise, born 1822? Judy On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Ruth Hoese <[email protected]> wrote: > The Adam Wise family was in the Ten Mile area beginning in at least 1770. > According to Joseph B. Wise in the book The Wise Family,"Adam Wise and his > family carried on the business of milling and distillation of wine in > Germany, as well as in Maryland and Pennsylvania," pg. 14. It goes on to > say, the land was originally in Westmoreland County and was a tomahawk > improvement....... The land was patented by Peter Wise in 1788 as "The > Fishery." > > The house still standing there was built around 1790. > > Adam Wise's youngest daughter, Judith, married "Rev" John Spohn son of > Martin and Mary Magdalena (Leatherman) Spohn.

---------------------------------------- Adam married Anthony Hardman's daughter and moved to Washington Co. PA with or after the Hardman family. Bob I have that Anthony Hardman moved to Bethlehem twp, Washington Co PA in 1781, then in 1789 they moved to Jefferson Co VA (Shelby Co KY) I have that Esther Hardman and Adam Harter were married in 1788. - she was 25 yrs old (5 yrs older than Adam) Either Adam chased Esther to Washington Co - to get married, or she did not move west with her parents. Any information? Adam and Esther moved to Elkhart Co IN about 1830. The children were all married in Preble Co OH (1812-1830) - when did they leave Kentucky and come up to Preble Co OH? Or - am I missing some information? Merle C Rummel

No idea. I was just quoting a list of Millers in these two documents. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bob Harter Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 6:22 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] Brethren Millers two questions: Do you know who this mentioned Adam Miller would have been? Jacob Petry Jr. married Magdelena Miller, whose father was an Adam Miller. So far I have been able to find any information on him. Do you find any Harters in the non-enroller list? Three brothers (without looking it up I believe it was Christian, Adam, and Frantz) were brought before the court for not enrolling and pleaded innocence - Adam married Anthony Hardman's daughter and moved to Washington Co. PA with or after the Hardman family. Bob Harter ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Thomas" <[email protected]> To: "'Art Miller'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Brethren Millers > Art: > > I have a copy of the 1776 non-enrollers list for Washington County, MD, > that > lists "Dunkars & Menonist" fines. The list includes Abraham Miller, David > Miller, and David Miller son of Philip. It goes onto list an appraisal of > guns (what ever that means) in 1777 and includes a Henry Miller. > > Point being there were several Miller's in Washington County, some of who > were Dunkers or Mennonites, a name common to both denominations. > > If you move to the 1776 non-enroller list for Frederick County, MD, which > includes Anthony Hardman and Nicholas Leatherman (I believe Daniel's > brother), you have even more Millers. You have Jacob Miller, Jacob Miller > s/o Adam, Abraham Miller, Peter Miller, Stephen Miller, Solomon Miller, > Robert Miller, Henry Miller, Philip Miller, David Miller and Daniel > Miller, > all fined, and implying a Dunker/Mennonite/Quaker religious affiliation. > So > you have a lot of potential Millers your ancestor could be affiliated > with. > > In case you are not familiar with the non-enroller listing, these are > people > who refused to show up for militia musters. They may have done this for > religious reasons or they were loyalists. > > Having Amish Miller's in my family, it becomes quite challenging trying > separate one Miller from another. > > Bill Thomas > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

two questions: Do you know who this mentioned Adam Miller would have been? Jacob Petry Jr. married Magdelena Miller, whose father was an Adam Miller. So far I have been able to find any information on him. Do you find any Harters in the non-enroller list? Three brothers (without looking it up I believe it was Christian, Adam, and Frantz) were brought before the court for not enrolling and pleaded innocence - Adam married Anthony Hardman's daughter and moved to Washington Co. PA with or after the Hardman family. Bob Harter ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Thomas" <[email protected]> To: "'Art Miller'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Brethren Millers > Art: > > I have a copy of the 1776 non-enrollers list for Washington County, MD, > that > lists "Dunkars & Menonist" fines. The list includes Abraham Miller, David > Miller, and David Miller son of Philip. It goes onto list an appraisal of > guns (what ever that means) in 1777 and includes a Henry Miller. > > Point being there were several Miller's in Washington County, some of who > were Dunkers or Mennonites, a name common to both denominations. > > If you move to the 1776 non-enroller list for Frederick County, MD, which > includes Anthony Hardman and Nicholas Leatherman (I believe Daniel's > brother), you have even more Millers. You have Jacob Miller, Jacob Miller > s/o Adam, Abraham Miller, Peter Miller, Stephen Miller, Solomon Miller, > Robert Miller, Henry Miller, Philip Miller, David Miller and Daniel > Miller, > all fined, and implying a Dunker/Mennonite/Quaker religious affiliation. > So > you have a lot of potential Millers your ancestor could be affiliated > with. > > In case you are not familiar with the non-enroller listing, these are > people > who refused to show up for militia musters. They may have done this for > religious reasons or they were loyalists. > > Having Amish Miller's in my family, it becomes quite challenging trying > separate one Miller from another. > > Bill Thomas > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Here is the first three generations as I have them in my database on the Adam Wise,Sr. family. Notice there is a Miller marriage in the first generation. I do not have her parents. Descendants of Adam Wise, Sr. 1 Adam Wise, Sr. b: 1718 in Grosswinterheim, Rheinish Hess, Germany d: Jun 9, 1781 in Washington County, Penn . +Maria Elizabeta Graff b: Abt. 1730 d: 1763 in Maryland ....... 2 Andrew Wise b: Mar 4, 1747/48 in Grosswinterheim, Rheinish Hess, Germany d: Mar 4, 1840 in Washington County, Penn ........... +Zeruah Hartman b: Abt. 1750 in unknown ................ 3 Mary Wise b: Feb 18, 1777 in Washington Co, Pa d: Jul 19, 1856 in Cass Co., IN .................... +George Custer, Jr. b: Jul 30, 1776 in Maryland ....... 2 Frederick Wise b: Abt. 1755 ........... +Catherine ? ................ 3 Henry Wise b: Oct 15, 1784 in Fredericktown, PA .................... +Rebecca Coffman b: Abt. 1785 ................ 3 Catherine Wise b: Aft. 1785 .................... +Jesse Baumgarner ................ 3 Jacob Wise b: Aft. 1785 ....... 2 Peter Wise b: 1759 in Big Pipe Creek, Carrol Co, Maryland d: Mar 4, 1840 in Stark Co. OH ........... +Mary Magdalene Miller b: 1765 d: Unknown in Washington County, Penn ................ 3 Hannah Wise b: 1793 in Washington County, Penn d: Unknown in near Canton, Ohio .................... +Jacob Zollars b: Abt. 1800 in Washington County, Penn d: Unknown in near Canton, Ohio ................ 3 Andrew Wise b: 1786 in Washington County, Penn d: in near Canton, Starke Co. Ohio .................... +Hannah Leatherman b: Abt. 1785 in Wahington Co, Pa d: in near Canton, Ohio ................ 3 Adam Wise b: Abt. 1797 .................... +Phoebe Jane Stockton ................ *2nd Wife of Adam Wise: .................... +Harriet Alexander b: Abt. 1800 d: Abt. 1825 ................ 3 Abraham Wise b: Abt. 1800 .................... +Mary Polly Cox b: 1804 ................ 3 Daniel Wise b: 1784 d: in probably Canton, OH .................... +Elizabeth Tombaugh ................ 3 Peter Miller Wise b: Abt. 1794 ................ 3 Jacob Wise b: Abt. 1785 ................ 3 Susannah Wise b: Abt. 1790 in Washington County, Penn .................... +"Mr."Tombaugh b: Abt. 1780 ................ 3 Molly Wise b: Abt. 1780 d: in Canton, OH .................... +"Mr." Bricker ................ 3 Rebecca Wise b: Abt. 1780 ................ 3 Catherine Wise b: Abt. 1785 in Wahington Co, Pa d: Aft. 1817 in probably Wahington Co, Pa .................... +John Shidler b: Abt. 1743 in probably Frederick Co. MD d: Abt. 1817 in probably Washington County, Penn ....... 2 Henry Wise b: Abt. 1760 in Big Pipe Creek, Carroll Co, MD d: Bef. Sep 10, 1810 in Gallatin Co, KY ........... +Elizabeth Young b: Abt. 1760 ................ 3 Daniel Wise b: 1786 in Gallatin Co, KY .................... +Polly Burgett b: Abt. 1790 ................ 3 Elizabeth Wise b: 1790 in Gallatin Co, KY .................... +John Bargo ................ 3 Susannah Wise b: 1792 in Gallatin Co, KY .................... +Edward Williams b: Abt. 1790 ................ 3 Henry Wise b: 1794 .................... +Sally (??) Wise ................ *2nd Wife of Henry Wise: .................... +Hannah Dunn Wollery ................ 3 David Wise b: 1798 in Gallatin Co, KY ................ 3 James Wise b: Abt. 1796 ................ 3 Phillip Wise b: Mar 12, 1800 in Gallatin Co, KY .................... +Mary (Polly) Davis b: Abt. 1800 ................ 3 Isaac Wise b: Abt. 1801 in Gallatin Co, KY .................... +Sarah Hensley b: Abt. 1801 ................ 3 Nancy Wise b: Abt. 1802 in Gallatin Co, KY .................... +Henry Ball b: Abt. 1800 ................ 3 Milly Wise b: Abt. 1806 ................ 3 Phoebe Wise b: Abt. 1804 in Gallatin Co, KY .................... +Abner Bates b: Abt. 1800 ....... 2 Adam Wise, Jr. b: Feb 24, 1763 in Maryland d: Jul 15, 1842 in Washington County, Penn ........... +Barbara Zollars b: Abt. 1759 in Washington County, Penn d: Sep 29, 1852 in Washington County, Penn ................ 3 Elizabeth Wise b: May 8, 1785 in Washington County, Penn d: Unknown in Washington County, Penn .................... +Jacob Shidler, Jr. b: Abt. 1780 in Washington County, Penn d: Unknown in Washington County, Penn ................ 3 David Wise b: Mar 8, 1787 in West Bethlehem, Washington Co, Penn d: Jul 9, 1858 in West Bethlehem, Washington Co, Penn .................... +Esther Shidler b: Abt. 1790 in probably Washington Co, PA d: Aft. Sep 11, 1824 in West Bethlehem, Washington Co, Penn ................ *2nd Wife of David Wise: .................... +Rachel Garrett b: Abt. 1800 in probably Washington Co, PA d: in probably Washington Co, PA ................ 3 Samuel Wise b: Aug 10, 1789 in Washington County, Penn d: Unknown in Knox Co. Ohio .................... +Elizabeth Shidler b: Abt. 1792 in Washington Co, PA d: Aft. 1824 in Knox Co. Ohio ................ 3 George Wise b: Nov 1791 in Washington County, Penn d: Unknown in Marshall Co. Ill .................... +Margaret Christian Ullery b: Dec 6, 1796 d: Unknown in Marshall Co. Ill ................ 3 Frederick Wise b: Abt. 1793 in West Bethlehem, Washington Co, Penn d: Feb 14, 1876 in Wise Cemetery, Washington Co. Penn .................... +Elizabeth Burson b: Jan 26, 1799 in Clarksville, Pa d: Dec 23, 1879 in Washington County, Penn ................ 3 Rebecca Wise b: Nov 20, 1795 in Washington County, Penn d: Unknown in Knox Co ,Ohio .................... +Peter Crumrine b: Abt. 1795 in Greene Co, PA d: Unknown in Knox Co ,Ohio ................ 3 Joseph Wise, Sr. b: May 22, 1797 in West Bethlehem, Washington Co, Penn d: Apr 20, 1863 in Washington County, Penn .................... +Permelia Barnard b: Abt. 1780 in Washington County, Penn d: Apr 20, 1863 in Washington County, Penn ................ 3 Solomon Wise b: May 16, 1799 in Washington County, Penn d: Unknown in probably in Ohio .................... +Harriet Alexander b: Abt. 1800 in Washington County, Penn d: Abt. 1825 in Washington County, Penn ................ *2nd Wife of Solomon Wise: .................... +Jane Alexander b: Abt. 1800 in Washington County, Penn d: Unknown in Ohio? *2nd Wife of Adam Wise, Sr.: . +Catherine ? (Wise) b: in Maryland? ....... 2 Jacob Wise b: Abt. 1764 ....... 2 Daniel Wise b: Abt. 1765 ....... 2 Abraham Wise b: Abt. 1766 ....... 2 Mary Wise b: Abt. 1766 ....... 2 Mariam Wise b: Abt. 1767 ....... 2 Ulion Wise b: Abt. 1768 ....... 2 Judith Wise b: Abt. 1770 in MD or PA d: May 31, 1821 in PA ........... +John Jacob Spohn b: 1775 in Maryland d: Oct 5, 1857 in Marion Co, OH ................ 3 Catherine Spohn ................ 3 Elizabeth Spohn ................ 3 Solomon A.W. Spohn ................ 3 Mary Spohn b: 1799 ................ 3 John W. Spohn b: 1800 ................ 3 David Spohn b: 1801 ................ 3 Adam Spohn b: 1802 ................ 3 Rachel Spohn b: Apr 2, 1807 in Wahington Co, Pa .................... +Matthias Tombaugh b: Dec 26, 1792 in PA d: May 21, 1864 ................ 3 John J. Spohn b: Aug 11, 1809 ................ 3 Hannah Spohn b: 1818 ................ 3 Judith Spohn b: May 21, 1821 ....... 2 Tobias Wise b: Oct 21, 1777 in Washington Co, PA d: May 11, 1856 in Ohio Co, KY ........... +Mary Grigsby b: 1779 ................ 3 Rachel Wise b: 1796 ................ 3 Elizabeth "Catherine"Wise b: 1797 ................ 3 Delilah Frances Wise b: 1801 .................... +Richard McMahan Taylor b: 1798 ................ 3 Levi L. Wise b: 1804 in Ohio Co, KY .................... +Milly Fulkerson ................ *2nd Wife of Levi L. Wise: .................... +Elizabeth Smith ................ 3 William Bradford Wise b: 1805 ................ 3 James Wise b: 1808 ................ 3 Mary Wise b: 1812 ................ 3 Mille/Martha Wise b: 1815 ................ 3 Daniel Wise b: 1817 ................ 3 Nathaniel Grigsby Wise b: 1819 ................ 3 Henry P. Wise b: 1821 ................ 3 Phillip Wise b: 1825 -----Original Message----- From: Bob Harter Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 5:21 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] Brethren Millers two questions: Do you know who this mentioned Adam Miller would have been? Jacob Petry Jr. married Magdelena Miller, whose father was an Adam Miller. So far I have been able to find any information on him. Do you find any Harters in the non-enroller list? Three brothers (without looking it up I believe it was Christian, Adam, and Frantz) were brought before the court for not enrolling and pleaded innocence - Adam married Anthony Hardman's daughter and moved to Washington Co. PA with or after the Hardman family. Bob Harter ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Thomas" <[email protected]> To: "'Art Miller'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Brethren Millers > Art: > > I have a copy of the 1776 non-enrollers list for Washington County, MD, > that > lists "Dunkars & Menonist" fines. The list includes Abraham Miller, David > Miller, and David Miller son of Philip. It goes onto list an appraisal of > guns (what ever that means) in 1777 and includes a Henry Miller. > > Point being there were several Miller's in Washington County, some of who > were Dunkers or Mennonites, a name common to both denominations. > > If you move to the 1776 non-enroller list for Frederick County, MD, which > includes Anthony Hardman and Nicholas Leatherman (I believe Daniel's > brother), you have even more Millers. You have Jacob Miller, Jacob Miller > s/o Adam, Abraham Miller, Peter Miller, Stephen Miller, Solomon Miller, > Robert Miller, Henry Miller, Philip Miller, David Miller and Daniel > Miller, > all fined, and implying a Dunker/Mennonite/Quaker religious affiliation. > So > you have a lot of potential Millers your ancestor could be affiliated > with. > > In case you are not familiar with the non-enroller listing, these are > people > who refused to show up for militia musters. They may have done this for > religious reasons or they were loyalists. > > Having Amish Miller's in my family, it becomes quite challenging trying > separate one Miller from another. > > Bill Thomas > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > Support Our Sponsoring Agency > The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) > For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] > ------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Art: I have a copy of the 1776 non-enrollers list for Washington County, MD, that lists "Dunkars & Menonist" fines. The list includes Abraham Miller, David Miller, and David Miller son of Philip. It goes onto list an appraisal of guns (what ever that means) in 1777 and includes a Henry Miller. Point being there were several Miller's in Washington County, some of who were Dunkers or Mennonites, a name common to both denominations. If you move to the 1776 non-enroller list for Frederick County, MD, which includes Anthony Hardman and Nicholas Leatherman (I believe Daniel's brother), you have even more Millers. You have Jacob Miller, Jacob Miller s/o Adam, Abraham Miller, Peter Miller, Stephen Miller, Solomon Miller, Robert Miller, Henry Miller, Philip Miller, David Miller and Daniel Miller, all fined, and implying a Dunker/Mennonite/Quaker religious affiliation. So you have a lot of potential Millers your ancestor could be affiliated with. In case you are not familiar with the non-enroller listing, these are people who refused to show up for militia musters. They may have done this for religious reasons or they were loyalists. Having Amish Miller's in my family, it becomes quite challenging trying separate one Miller from another. Bill Thomas

Can anyone help understand this Wise family's connection to Miller families in Maryland and Washington Co., Pa.? Specifically, >Peter Wise reportedly married Mary Magdalena Miller the daughter of Ludwig >Miller born 1740. Could this Ludwig Miller be the one who was naturalized >1762 in Maryland, with Daniel Leatherman and Anthony Hartman as witnesses? >It appears that this Ludwig Miller was member of their COB church >(Middletown Valley?). Of course, Daniel and Anthony also migrated to >Washington Co., Pa. Any idea who this Ludwig Miller was? Could he have >been connected to brothers Abraham Miller (died 1754), Jacob (died c1762) >and Isaac (died c1754) who lived on Monocacy? >An Elizabeth Wise born 1764 in Maryland married a David Miller born 1767. >They were in Shelby Co., Ky. by 1795 with Hartman and Leatherman families. >It appears that this David Miller was son of William Miller who died 1802 >in West Bethlehem Twp., Washington Co., Pa. I'm wondering if this >Elizabeth could have been Peter Wise's sister Maria Elizabeth born 1764 in >Carroll Co., Md.. >Where was the Wise family located in Westmoreland Co.? Certainly, these Wise and Miller families fit based on timing and location. But, I haven't been able to establish a definitive connection. Any insight would be appreciated. Art Miller, Louisville -------------------------------------------------- From: "Ruth Hoese" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 9:47 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BRE] Brethren "significance" and national significance > The Adam Wise family was in the Ten Mile area beginning in at least 1770. > According to Joseph B. Wise in the book The Wise Family,"Adam Wise and his > family carried on the business of milling and distillation of wine in > Germany, as well as in Maryland and Pennsylvania," pg. 14. It goes on to > say, the land was originally in Westmoreland County and was a tomahawk > improvement....... The land was patented by Peter Wise in 1788 as "The > Fishery." > > The house still standing there was built around 1790. > > Adam Wise's youngest daughter, Judith, married "Rev" John Spohn son of > Martin and Mary Magdalena (Leatherman) Spohn. > > Someone put this entire book online as their own work, although it wasn't. > I > do not know if it is still online. The book was compiled by Kathryn Swim > Cummings and Rachel Jones Hayward and published in 1998. > > I have a lot more information on this family although I have not done any > research for a long time. > Ruth Hoese

The Adam Wise family was in the Ten Mile area beginning in at least 1770. According to Joseph B. Wise in the book The Wise Family,"Adam Wise and his family carried on the business of milling and distillation of wine in Germany, as well as in Maryland and Pennsylvania," pg. 14. It goes on to say, the land was originally in Westmoreland County and was a tomahawk improvement....... The land was patented by Peter Wise in 1788 as "The Fishery." The house still standing there was built around 1790. Adam Wise's youngest daughter, Judith, married "Rev" John Spohn son of Martin and Mary Magdalena (Leatherman) Spohn. Someone put this entire book online as their own work, although it wasn't. I do not know if it is still online. The book was compiled by Kathryn Swim Cummings and Rachel Jones Hayward and published in 1998. I have a lot more information on this family although I have not done any research for a long time. Ruth Hoese -----Original Message----- From: J.A. Florian Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 6:37 AM To: [email protected] ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [BRE] Brethren "significance" and national significance I didn't realize the Brethren used whiskey also. I know Washington County PA History books talk about in commerce, county farmers made whiskey to ship over the Allegheny Mountains because it was cheaper than to ship grain. I don't have my list in front of me but some names at Ten Mile Church of the Brethren, Marianna PA, are: Peter Eller & wife Moore Anthony - born 1800 Maryland Septer - born 1800 Maryland The Spohn Meetinghouse was the prior church. So Spohn - Shidler families. >From the Book of Names (1838-1901 I think): John Lane - came from Fred Co MD about 1809 Rev. Daniel Lane, son Moore - related to the Fayette Co PA Moores Flowers Knight Garber Zediker Arnold-Letherman couple were in Fayette Co PA, across the river from the main area where others later settled, as early as 1744 since their child was born that year (Dr. Bell's research). The families prominent in Frederick Co MD seemed to move, en mass or only some generations, to Washington Co PA. So most of the names we're familiar with in Frederick Co formed the Ten Mile congregation in SW PA. I wish the congregation had kept member lists before 1838. If they did make a list, it is long lost. Judy On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 6:01 AM, Merle Rummel <[email protected]> wrote: > > > The Whiskey Rebellion was prominent in this county. Is there a way I > could > talk about Brethren intolerance of alcohol but as well, whiskey was > cheaper > to ship east than was the grain? Or did Brethren report stills to the > authorties? > > Brethren, including ministers and Elders, had whiskey stills. Those that > did, normally had flour mills. The frontier miller would take half of the > grain as payment for milling, but since almost all families had farms and > grew their own grain, there was little sale for the excess grain (flour). > The common solution was to make it into whiskey, which had a large sale. > > There was little "shipping" of the whiskey, it was sold locally. Few > Brethren drank whiskey, they did believe in "Temperance" (which in that > time meant "not too much" - not total prohibition as it is now interpreted > as). The Brethren did use several Wines (Apple, Peach, etc) and hard > Cider > (2% alcohol - in order to preserve it for use over a whole year - > otherwise > it turned to Apple Cider Vinegar - I have found it normal for families to > use 10 barrels of Hard Cider a year). The "temperance movement" came some > years later -about 1850). The Brethren decided to eliminate wine from the > Communion Service some 30 years later. > > Migration to far western Pennsylvania (became Washington Co) began > following the French and Indian War. You would need to check the > families > (cemetery names) to find when they "came west". I have a number of > families who came on to Kentucky. I will now need to check the Wise name. > I did not include that family in my original research. I only recorded > the > marriage of Elizabeth Miller, daughter of Jacob Miller and Catherine > Minnick, to Henry Wise. They came to the Bullskin area of Clermont Co OH. > I did not check on the parentage of Henry. Could you give me some of the > other names? > > It was 1751 when the Eckerlin brothers moved from Dunker Bottom, on the > New > River, Virginia, and went to the Monongahela River (Dunker's Creek) on the > Virginia (West Virginia)-Pennsylvania border. They were taken captive to > Quebec. They were Ephrata Brethren, who objected to the Superintendant > Conrad Beisel, and traveled "400 miles toward the setting sun" in 1745, > moving on about the time of a Shawnee Indian incursion on the New River. > > .Merle C Rummel > ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ Support Our Sponsoring Agency The Fellowship Of Brethren Genealogists (FOBG) For further information contact Ron McAdams mailto:[email protected] ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I didn't realize the Brethren used whiskey also. I know Washington County PA History books talk about in commerce, county farmers made whiskey to ship over the Allegheny Mountains because it was cheaper than to ship grain. I don't have my list in front of me but some names at Ten Mile Church of the Brethren, Marianna PA, are: Peter Eller & wife Moore Anthony - born 1800 Maryland Septer - born 1800 Maryland The Spohn Meetinghouse was the prior church. So Spohn - Shidler families. >From the Book of Names (1838-1901 I think): John Lane - came from Fred Co MD about 1809 Rev. Daniel Lane, son Moore - related to the Fayette Co PA Moores Flowers Knight Garber Zediker Arnold-Letherman couple were in Fayette Co PA, across the river from the main area where others later settled, as early as 1744 since their child was born that year (Dr. Bell's research). The families prominent in Frederick Co MD seemed to move, en mass or only some generations, to Washington Co PA. So most of the names we're familiar with in Frederick Co formed the Ten Mile congregation in SW PA. I wish the congregation had kept member lists before 1838. If they did make a list, it is long lost. Judy On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 6:01 AM, Merle Rummel <[email protected]> wrote: > > > The Whiskey Rebellion was prominent in this county. Is there a way I > could > talk about Brethren intolerance of alcohol but as well, whiskey was > cheaper > to ship east than was the grain? Or did Brethren report stills to the > authorties? > > Brethren, including ministers and Elders, had whiskey stills. Those that > did, normally had flour mills. The frontier miller would take half of the > grain as payment for milling, but since almost all families had farms and > grew their own grain, there was little sale for the excess grain (flour). > The common solution was to make it into whiskey, which had a large sale. > > There was little "shipping" of the whiskey, it was sold locally. Few > Brethren drank whiskey, they did believe in "Temperance" (which in that > time meant "not too much" - not total prohibition as it is now interpreted > as). The Brethren did use several Wines (Apple, Peach, etc) and hard Cider > (2% alcohol - in order to preserve it for use over a whole year - otherwise > it turned to Apple Cider Vinegar - I have found it normal for families to > use 10 barrels of Hard Cider a year). The "temperance movement" came some > years later -about 1850). The Brethren decided to eliminate wine from the > Communion Service some 30 years later. > > Migration to far western Pennsylvania (became Washington Co) began > following the French and Indian War. You would need to check the families > (cemetery names) to find when they "came west". I have a number of > families who came on to Kentucky. I will now need to check the Wise name. > I did not include that family in my original research. I only recorded the > marriage of Elizabeth Miller, daughter of Jacob Miller and Catherine > Minnick, to Henry Wise. They came to the Bullskin area of Clermont Co OH. > I did not check on the parentage of Henry. Could you give me some of the > other names? > > It was 1751 when the Eckerlin brothers moved from Dunker Bottom, on the New > River, Virginia, and went to the Monongahela River (Dunker's Creek) on the > Virginia (West Virginia)-Pennsylvania border. They were taken captive to > Quebec. They were Ephrata Brethren, who objected to the Superintendant > Conrad Beisel, and traveled "400 miles toward the setting sun" in 1745, > moving on about the time of a Shawnee Indian incursion on the New River. > > .Merle C Rummel >

The Whiskey Rebellion was prominent in this county. Is there a way I could talk about Brethren intolerance of alcohol but as well, whiskey was cheaper to ship east than was the grain? Or did Brethren report stills to the authorties? Brethren, including ministers and Elders, had whiskey stills. Those that did, normally had flour mills. The frontier miller would take half of the grain as payment for milling, but since almost all families had farms and grew their own grain, there was little sale for the excess grain (flour). The common solution was to make it into whiskey, which had a large sale. There was little "shipping" of the whiskey, it was sold locally. Few Brethren drank whiskey, they did believe in "Temperance" (which in that time meant "not too much" - not total prohibition as it is now interpreted as). The Brethren did use several Wines (Apple, Peach, etc) and hard Cider (2% alcohol - in order to preserve it for use over a whole year - otherwise it turned to Apple Cider Vinegar - I have found it normal for families to use 10 barrels of Hard Cider a year). The "temperance movement" came some years later -about 1850). The Brethren decided to eliminate wine from the Communion Service some 30 years later. Migration to far western Pennsylvania (became Washington Co) began following the French and Indian War. You would need to check the families (cemetery names) to find when they "came west". I have a number of families who came on to Kentucky. I will now need to check the Wise name. I did not include that family in my original research. I only recorded the marriage of Elizabeth Miller, daughter of Jacob Miller and Catherine Minnick, to Henry Wise. They came to the Bullskin area of Clermont Co OH. I did not check on the parentage of Henry. Could you give me some of the other names? It was 1751 when the Eckerlin brothers moved from Dunker Bottom, on the New River, Virginia, and went to the Monongahela River (Dunker's Creek) on the Virginia (West Virginia)-Pennsylvania border. They were taken captive to Quebec. They were Ephrata Brethren, who objected to the Superintendant Conrad Beisel, and traveled "400 miles toward the setting sun" in 1745, moving on about the time of a Shawnee Indian incursion on the New River. .Merle C Rummel

Still doing the papers for historical preservation on the oldest brick church west of the Alleghenies. Two parts address "significance". 1. of the place itself AND / OR 2. of a person or persons associated with the place. Would it wash to talk about the Brethren being the first persons migrating to that county? They were there before any "towns" were formed. How their peaceful ways allowed them to befriend the Indians with little conflict, despite the conflicts that closed forts and forced other settlers back? How Washington Co PA was a gateway to the West and many Brethren went out to establish churches in other States over many decades? Would Elder John Wise be "significant" enough of a figure to include? Was Elder John Wise a significant figure in a "national" way? The Whiskey Rebellion was prominent in this county. Is there a way I could talk about Brethren intolerance of alcohol but as well, whiskey was cheaper to ship east than was the grain? Or did Brethren report stills to the authorties? There's at least one or two Civil War veterans outside in the Cemetery also. Would these points, taken together, be "significant" for preservation purposes? And, how could I discuss the issues about persecution during Rev War in Frederick Co MD that prompted many to move west? How can I make that a positive for this religious sect? Any ideas of what I can include on the subject of "significance" would be great. This is the first time I've tried to write this kind of Application. Judy