Friends, The reason this sometimes happens is because the default setting when replying to messages on the Brethren List is to send your new message to the List. If one wishes to send a private message, one needs to change the address in the "to" line. The decision was made quite a long while ago that this setting would be best for our List, since that would help to keep discussions of general interest on the List. It seems to serve us well in most instances. And it's OK if once in a while a message like this comes through, because it helps us all to understand how fragile that thread of communication really is, and how important it is that we keep it alive. James Shuman, co-moderator jshuman@telis.org --- Spetry2@aol.com wrote: So sorry, List. I didn't mean for my note to Valerie Metzler to go to the whole list.

Dear Sherry, I did, in fact, not get your message. Thank you for trying again to reach me! I will take this opportunity to mention to the list that I have been getting complaints recently that messages to me have not been answered. Something is wrong with my email and I am investigating it. Yes, Sherry, I am a professional archivist and historian and much of my work is genealogical research. I will write to you at your personal email address to fully answer your question but just wanted to try this way also since I am having communication problems. Please watch for another message from me. For the record, I worked as a consultant to advise both the Franklin county courthouse archives and the Kittatinny Historical Society (Franklin county historical society) about organizing their archives. Sincerely, ................................ Valerie A. Metzler, M. A., C. A. Valerie Metzler Archivist/Historian 114 Ruskin Drive Altoona, Pennsylvania 16602 814 932 1740 vmah@keyconn.net On 14 juil. 2013, at 15:24, Spetry2@aol.com wrote: > Hello Valerie. A few weeks ago I wrote to you, but received no reply, so > I assume you did not get my message as I have still noticed your > participation on the Brethren list. This was the gist of my message: > > > I have noticed your participation on the Brethren Roots mailing list over > time and also noticed that you are in Altoona. May I ask whether you are in > business as a genealogist and how you charge for your services? > > I am interested in a mysterious court case that occurred in Chambersburg in > 1931 for which I have little information. The Franklin County Court took > my $15.00 and searched for one name to no avail, but could go no further > because of my scant information. I'm itching to look at the records myself. > > I wonder if I should consider hiring a researcher to investigate for me. I > wouldn't pursue it except that I have seen your postings on the mailing > list and thought I would just ask about your work. > > > Sherry Petry > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

So sorry, List. I didn't mean for my note to Valerie Metzler to go to the whole list. Sherry Petry

Hello Valerie. A few weeks ago I wrote to you, but received no reply, so I assume you did not get my message as I have still noticed your participation on the Brethren list. This was the gist of my message: I have noticed your participation on the Brethren Roots mailing list over time and also noticed that you are in Altoona. May I ask whether you are in business as a genealogist and how you charge for your services? I am interested in a mysterious court case that occurred in Chambersburg in 1931 for which I have little information. The Franklin County Court took my $15.00 and searched for one name to no avail, but could go no further because of my scant information. I'm itching to look at the records myself. I wonder if I should consider hiring a researcher to investigate for me. I wouldn't pursue it except that I have seen your postings on the mailing list and thought I would just ask about your work. Sherry Petry

For FOBG members unable to attend the annual business meeting and others interested in the work of the Fellowship of Brethren Genealogists, a video of this year's meeting in Charlotte NC is posted to the Fellowship's Facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/groups/61371092040/ The video is also available at drive.google.com and can be found using the url shortener, http://bit.ly/2013fobg Also, a summary and photos of the meeting and the exhibit booth at the Church of the Brethren's Annual Conference is posted at: http://bit.ly/fobgmeeting

http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/revolutionary_war_m ilitia_overview/4125#Revwarmilhistorical -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Harriet Zierer Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 5:30 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRE] Brethren Archives Could you resend the link for the Pennsylvania Archives? Harriet Zierer hjzierer@sbcglobal.net ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

 Could you resend the link for the Pennsylvania Archives?       Harriet Zierer  hjzierer@sbcglobal.net

Thank you for the reference to the PA Archives. I did not find Martin Rinehart by name but did find a reference to Capt Brumback's company. It's a start. Debbie

I just wanted to comment on John McLeod's comment about John Slifer. He is also my ancestor. A few years ago I presented DAR with evidence that "our" John Slifer was not the soldier and the DAR has closed that line. In other words, no one can join DAR using our John Slifer. However, they will not remove the marker but didn't give a reason for it. I have visited the marker at the Pleasant View Church in Burkittsville, MD, it looks kind of out of place in the little churchyard. If anyone has any further questions about John Slifer, I have a lot information. Some of it came from John McLeod who was a big help. Thanks, John! Liz Walker On Jul 5, 2013, at 2:01 AM, brethren-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2013 14:48:34 -0500 > From: John McLeod <jm6@hubwest.com> > Subject: Re: [BRE] Martin Rinehart > To: brethren@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <51D5D192.50108@hubwest.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I admonish everyone involved in this debate to be very, very careful > about name confusion. A name on a list may not be who you think it is. > I have exactly that situation in my ancestry. John Slifer (1743-1822) > was very active in the leadership of the Broad Run COB and was heavily > fined for his refusal to support the Revolutionary War in any way, even > by paying a "War Tax." In spite of this, a stone honoring his service > of three years in the Continental Line has been placed beside his > tombstone by the DAR. The actual soldier was 13 years younger and a > member of a Reformed Church, which has no scruples about war service. > That memorial stone should actually be in Ohio. >

I wonder who you could contact to right that error? Tough job! With naming traditions, it's hard enough to find the 'right man' when he was alive, e.g. tax, deeds, etc. I gave up trying to correct a DAR App involving 3 separate families. I ended up posting online my breakdown/review of the errors so at least other researchers can find it. Maybe that will be the best you can do on behalf of Brethren John Slifer (1743-1822) and for Rev Soldier John Slifer. Post the proof on your website and link to other webs that list the 2 men. Judy On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 3:48 PM, John McLeod <jm6@hubwest.com> wrote: > I admonish everyone involved in this debate to be very, very careful > about name confusion. A name on a list may not be who you think it is. > I have exactly that situation in my ancestry. John Slifer (1743-1822) > was very active in the leadership of the Broad Run COB and was heavily > fined for his refusal to support the Revolutionary War in any way, even > by paying a "War Tax." In spite of this, a stone honoring his service > of three years in the Continental Line has been placed beside his > tombstone by the DAR. The actual soldier was 13 years younger and a > member of a Reformed Church, which has no scruples about war service. > That memorial stone should actually be in Ohio. > >

The PA Archives site has an explanation of what the PA militia rolls mean. It is under the 'historical background', under the 'Revolutionary War Militia Overview' link. Below are two excerpts. [The names of men in each company of each battalion were listed on a roll called "General Returns of the Battalion" together with the names of any substitutes that were provided. On these permanent billet rolls the men in each company were listed as being either part of the first class, second class, third class, etc. and were required to show up for their two months of active duty at the time and in the order that their class was called up. When several classes were called up for active duty, a separate roll for each company listed the names of the men who actually served, either in person or as substitutes. This active-duty roll was therefore a completely different roll from the permanent billet roll. These active duty rolls could be distinguished from the permanent billet rolls by the fact that instead of being listed by individual classes as they were in the permanent rolls, the names of the men were here listed under the name of the company captain. Under the provisions of the Militia Law, the men called up for active duty were automatically assigned to companies whose numbers were different from their own company numbers on the permanent billet rolls.] [When the classes were called up, each captain would deliver a notice to each man's dwelling or place of business. Under the provisions of the Militia Act, each individual summoned had the right to file an appeal asking that their service be delayed and some successfully avoided service by repeatedly filing appeals. The names of these individuals will be found on the appeal lists. The names of those who actually turned out for muster duty would then appear on company muster rolls listing the men in their new arrangement.] There are some Chester County rolls on the PAGENWEB site that include the 'class', so they are 'billet rolls' based on the above explanation. You need to make sure the militia list is the correct version, to determine if someone actually served. Otherwise, it is just an eligibility list, whose only value is that it tells you where someone lived at the time of the list. If you don't understand what you are looking at, you can draw false conclusions. Bill Thomas

My grandfather, a Brethren elder, accepted his sons' service in WWI and WWII. He did make the admonition, though, in letters to them "Please keep your head down and do not fire your gun". Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth Hoese" <ruthjh@gmail.com> To: brethren@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 10:10:59 PM Subject: Re: [BRE] Martin Rinehart This is the most logical explanation I have seen. We should have thought of that earlier. I'm sure the parents didn't really like it but we know it happened. On 7/3/2013 4:57 PM, James Shuman wrote: > Here's a thought: > > When trying to understand the Brethren's position on the military in light of the fact that we rather frequently encounter someone who can be documented as having served in one of the wars, we need to understand the Brethren position on baptism/membership in the church. > > 1. Baptism was for believers, not infants or young children. Thus, it was not unusual for a person to be in their 20s, perhaps married, before requesting baptism. > > 2. Membership in the church did not occur until the time of baptism, even for children whose parents may have been leaders of the church. Such people were, of course, welcome to attend worship services and engage in many of the other social activities of those who were members of the church, but were not considered members either by themselves or their associates. > > 3. Choosing baptism included the idea of "repentance," which could include all sorts of previous behavior the church considered wrong. > > Thus, it is possible that some of those who we know to have been ministers in the church -- and who we also know to have actually served in the military -- did not become members of the church until after their military "career" was over. > > I know this to have been true in my own family in WW II, for example. > > > James Shuman > jshuman@telis.org > > > > On Jul 3, 2013, at 1:52 PM, Beverly Utz wrote: > >> Debbie, >> According to "The Brethren Encyclopedia", Volume 2, page 1094, Ulrich >> Reinhart had 9 sons. They were very involved in the Church of the Brethren. >> Three of his sons moved to Frederick County, Maryland. This line where I >> connect to them was very involved with several Church of the Brethren's >> according to my family and research. I, too, have a Rinehart listed as a >> Civil War veteran. I could never understand their involvement in the war. I >> am referring to Robert Rinehart who was actually wounded in the Civil War >> with mustered and discharged dates. >> >> Beverly >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of Debbie Fain >> Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 3:16 PM >> To: brethren@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [BRE] Martin Rinehart >> >> I have reason to believe that Martin Barnett Rinehart/Rhinehart (1757-1820) >> of Pennsylvania, son of Ulrich and 3rd wife Magdalena Jahnin may have served >> in the Revolutionary War. >> >> I have found a record of him in Captain Brumback's Company-4th Class in the >> Lower Coventry Township. >> >> This confuses me as he was a clergyman in the Church of the Brethren. Are >> there any other Rinehart descendants/researchers who have also found this >> information? >> >> Debbie >> >> >> ------------------------ Search the Archives >> at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> ------------------------ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------ >> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> ------------------------ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I admonish everyone involved in this debate to be very, very careful about name confusion. A name on a list may not be who you think it is. I have exactly that situation in my ancestry. John Slifer (1743-1822) was very active in the leadership of the Broad Run COB and was heavily fined for his refusal to support the Revolutionary War in any way, even by paying a "War Tax." In spite of this, a stone honoring his service of three years in the Continental Line has been placed beside his tombstone by the DAR. The actual soldier was 13 years younger and a member of a Reformed Church, which has no scruples about war service. That memorial stone should actually be in Ohio. On 7/3/2013 2:15 PM, Debbie Fain wrote: > I have reason to believe that Martin Barnett Rinehart/Rhinehart (1757-1820) of Pennsylvania, son of Ulrich and 3rd wife Magdalena Jahnin may have served in the Revolutionary War. > > I have found a record of him in Captain Brumback's Company-4th Class in the Lower Coventry Township. > > This confuses me as he was a clergyman in the Church of the Brethren. Are there any other Rinehart descendants/researchers who have also found this information? > > Debbie > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This explanation helps me understand how some of my ancestors may have identified as Brethren, yet served in the military. On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Ruth Hoese <ruthjh@gmail.com> wrote: > This is the most logical explanation I have seen. We should have > thought of that earlier. I'm sure the parents didn't really like it but > we know it happened. > > On 7/3/2013 4:57 PM, James Shuman wrote: > > Here's a thought: > > > > When trying to understand the Brethren's position on the military in > light of the fact that we rather frequently encounter someone who can be > documented as having served in one of the wars, we need to understand the > Brethren position on baptism/membership in the church. > > > > 1. Baptism was for believers, not infants or young children. Thus, it > was not unusual for a person to be in their 20s, perhaps married, before > requesting baptism. > > > > 2. Membership in the church did not occur until the time of baptism, > even for children whose parents may have been leaders of the church. Such > people were, of course, welcome to attend worship services and engage in > many of the other social activities of those who were members of the > church, but were not considered members either by themselves or their > associates. > > > > 3. Choosing baptism included the idea of "repentance," which could > include all sorts of previous behavior the church considered wrong. > > > > Thus, it is possible that some of those who we know to have been > ministers in the church -- and who we also know to have actually served in > the military -- did not become members of the church until after their > military "career" was over. > > > > I know this to have been true in my own family in WW II, for example. > > > > > > James Shuman > > jshuman@telis.org > > > > > > > >

Dennis Roth in compiling an obituary index from the Gospel Visitor discovered 77 obits of fallen Brethren boys in that great conflict, some of whom were ministers sons. One not included is a younger brother of my 2nd great grandfather Oliver Spitler. The story handed down in our family is Solomon wanted to join the forces. His parents, John and Esther (Warner) Spitler, members of the then Georgetown Fraternity of German Baptists [now Potsdam Church of the Brethren] discouraged him, so with one of his friends, he went to Dayton, Ohio and enlisted against their wishes. He fell on August 9, 1864 at Marietta, GA. Apparently he had not collected any pay for his service, which was afterword forwarded to his father. Grief-stricken, John decided the best way to spend the money was to buy each of his remaining 11 children a large family Bible in memory of their brother. There was still money left, so each child was also given $10.00. James Shuman's explanation of who non-members were looked upon was well worded and to my knowledge quite accurate. Gale Honeyman

Richard, Your questions are nearing the edge of doctrine and theology, topics that we try not to discuss very much on the list, since it encompasses quite a number of different present-day denominations. I think you are pretty close to what many of us personally believe. But the important question here is what did the Brethren believe in the past. Let's be careful to keep our discussion framed in that way. Until fairly recently -- and perhaps in some cases, even yet -- baptism was synonymous with being born into both the family of God and a specific church denomination. And yes, of course, the sins one had committed prior to that baptism were washed away by that act. Those who had been baptized according to the Brethren beliefs considered the act of killing another human being to be wrong, whether it was in warfare or at any other time, so they did not think of making a distinction between God's will and the church organization's will. The Bible said it was wrong. Period. As to "accounting sins," the Brethren left that business to God, although they would have felt that it didn't matter to God whether one had been baptized or not: a sin was still a sin. So we might think of them as "church rules," but this view of baptism was actually more widespread than any one denomination. James Shuman jshuman@telis.org On Jul 3, 2013, at 8:07 PM, Richard wrote: > I would appreciate learning of whether we are tending to God's will, or the church organization's will. Is the killing in war not accounted to one who isn't baptised (age not of consequence). Are any other sins not accounted to one who is not baptised? > > "Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name." Certainly indicates the hearer had sins that needed washed away. > > And isn't baptism the process of being born into the family of God, hence we come into that Father and sibling fellowship, some folk call the church. Are there 'church' rules in addition to that? > Richard Brock > On 7/3/2013 4:57 PM, James Shuman wrote: >> Here's a thought: >> >> When trying to understand the Brethren's position on the military in light of the fact that we rather frequently encounter someone who can be documented as having served in one of the wars, we need to understand the Brethren position on baptism/membership in the church. >> >> 1. Baptism was for believers, not infants or young children. Thus, it was not unusual for a person to be in their 20s, perhaps married, before requesting baptism. >> >> 2. Membership in the church did not occur until the time of baptism, even for children whose parents may have been leaders of the church. Such people were, of course, welcome to attend worship services and engage in many of the other social activities of those who were members of the church, but were not considered members either by themselves or their associates. >> >> 3. Choosing baptism included the idea of "repentance," which could include all sorts of previous behavior the church considered wrong. >> >> Thus, it is possible that some of those who we know to have been ministers in the church -- and who we also know to have actually served in the military -- did not become members of the church until after their military "career" was over. >> >> I know this to have been true in my own family in WW II, for example. >> >> >> James Shuman >> jshuman@telis.org >>

This is the most logical explanation I have seen. We should have thought of that earlier. I'm sure the parents didn't really like it but we know it happened. On 7/3/2013 4:57 PM, James Shuman wrote: > Here's a thought: > > When trying to understand the Brethren's position on the military in light of the fact that we rather frequently encounter someone who can be documented as having served in one of the wars, we need to understand the Brethren position on baptism/membership in the church. > > 1. Baptism was for believers, not infants or young children. Thus, it was not unusual for a person to be in their 20s, perhaps married, before requesting baptism. > > 2. Membership in the church did not occur until the time of baptism, even for children whose parents may have been leaders of the church. Such people were, of course, welcome to attend worship services and engage in many of the other social activities of those who were members of the church, but were not considered members either by themselves or their associates. > > 3. Choosing baptism included the idea of "repentance," which could include all sorts of previous behavior the church considered wrong. > > Thus, it is possible that some of those who we know to have been ministers in the church -- and who we also know to have actually served in the military -- did not become members of the church until after their military "career" was over. > > I know this to have been true in my own family in WW II, for example. > > > James Shuman > jshuman@telis.org > > > > On Jul 3, 2013, at 1:52 PM, Beverly Utz wrote: > >> Debbie, >> According to "The Brethren Encyclopedia", Volume 2, page 1094, Ulrich >> Reinhart had 9 sons. They were very involved in the Church of the Brethren. >> Three of his sons moved to Frederick County, Maryland. This line where I >> connect to them was very involved with several Church of the Brethren's >> according to my family and research. I, too, have a Rinehart listed as a >> Civil War veteran. I could never understand their involvement in the war. I >> am referring to Robert Rinehart who was actually wounded in the Civil War >> with mustered and discharged dates. >> >> Beverly >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of Debbie Fain >> Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 3:16 PM >> To: brethren@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [BRE] Martin Rinehart >> >> I have reason to believe that Martin Barnett Rinehart/Rhinehart (1757-1820) >> of Pennsylvania, son of Ulrich and 3rd wife Magdalena Jahnin may have served >> in the Revolutionary War. >> >> I have found a record of him in Captain Brumback's Company-4th Class in the >> Lower Coventry Township. >> >> This confuses me as he was a clergyman in the Church of the Brethren. Are >> there any other Rinehart descendants/researchers who have also found this >> information? >> >> Debbie >> >> >> ------------------------ Search the Archives >> at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> ------------------------ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------ >> Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN >> ------------------------ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My ancestor, Matthew Eshelman, served in the Civil War two times. You will find him and all his family all involved with the Church of the Brethren. Look his name up in the encyclopedia. Jane Summers ----- Original Message ----- From: James Shuman To: brethren@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 16:57:52 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [BRE] Martin Rinehart Here's a thought: When trying to understand the Brethren's position on the military in light of the fact that we rather frequently encounter someone who can be documented as having served in one of the wars, we need to understand the Brethren position on baptism/membership in the church. 1. Baptism was for believers, not infants or young children. Thus, it was not unusual for a person to be in their 20s, perhaps married, before requesting baptism. 2. Membership in the church did not occur until the time of baptism, even for children whose parents may have been leaders of the church. Such people were, of course, welcome to attend worship services and engage in many of the other social activities of those who were members of the church, but were not considered members either by themselves or their associates. 3. Choosing baptism included the idea of "repentance," which could include all sorts of previous behavior the church considered wrong. Thus, it is possible that some of those who we know to have been ministers in the church -- and who we also know to have actually served in the military -- did not become members of the church until after their military "career" was over. I know this to have been true in my own family in WW II, for example. James Shuman jshuman@telis.org On Jul 3, 2013, at 1:52 PM, Beverly Utz wrote: > Debbie, > According to "The Brethren Encyclopedia", Volume 2, page 1094, Ulrich > Reinhart had 9 sons. They were very involved in the Church of the Brethren. > Three of his sons moved to Frederick County, Maryland. This line where I > connect to them was very involved with several Church of the Brethren's > according to my family and research. I, too, have a Rinehart listed as a > Civil War veteran. I could never understand their involvement in the war. I > am referring to Robert Rinehart who was actually wounded in the Civil War > with mustered and discharged dates. > > Beverly > > -----Original Message----- > From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Debbie Fain > Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 3:16 PM > To: brethren@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BRE] Martin Rinehart > > I have reason to believe that Martin Barnett Rinehart/Rhinehart (1757-1820) > of Pennsylvania, son of Ulrich and 3rd wife Magdalena Jahnin may have served > in the Revolutionary War. > > I have found a record of him in Captain Brumback's Company-4th Class in the > Lower Coventry Township. > > This confuses me as he was a clergyman in the Church of the Brethren. Are > there any other Rinehart descendants/researchers who have also found this > information? > > Debbie > > > ------------------------ Search the Archives > at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------ > Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN > ------------------------ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Debbie, According to "The Brethren Encyclopedia", Volume 2, page 1094, Ulrich Reinhart had 9 sons. They were very involved in the Church of the Brethren. Three of his sons moved to Frederick County, Maryland. This line where I connect to them was very involved with several Church of the Brethren's according to my family and research. I, too, have a Rinehart listed as a Civil War veteran. I could never understand their involvement in the war. I am referring to Robert Rinehart who was actually wounded in the Civil War with mustered and discharged dates. Beverly -----Original Message----- From: brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brethren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Debbie Fain Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 3:16 PM To: brethren@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRE] Martin Rinehart I have reason to believe that Martin Barnett Rinehart/Rhinehart (1757-1820) of Pennsylvania, son of Ulrich and 3rd wife Magdalena Jahnin may have served in the Revolutionary War. I have found a record of him in Captain Brumback's Company-4th Class in the Lower Coventry Township. This confuses me as he was a clergyman in the Church of the Brethren. Are there any other Rinehart descendants/researchers who have also found this information? Debbie ------------------------ Search the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/BRETHREN ------------------------ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRETHREN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

All I was referring to was what the list itself was. Nothing more. ................................ Valerie A. Metzler, M. A., C. A. Valerie Metzler Archivist/Historian 114 Ruskin Drive Altoona, Pennsylvania 16602 814 932 1740 vmah@keyconn.net On 3 juil. 2013, at 16:03, "Dwayne Wrightsman" <dwayne55@comcast.net> wrote: > Valerie, wasn't it a little more than just being "eligible"? The way out of > "serving" was to pay fines, or to pay someone else to attend musters, etc. > The militias were not truly voluntary, but they had ways for dealing with