Martha, thanks for taking the time to study the possibilities with me. I am the first to admit that the thread in this fabric is pretty thin. Let me see if I can respond to some of your comments: Martha said: "The Lucy Watkins could be William Watkins' granddaughter, Lucy, the daughter William and Mary Osborne Watkins. Lucy married Col. Thomas Spencer on 5 Apr 1781, just days after the will was written. " I agree. My observation regarding the Wm Watkins will of 1781 is that he mentions several relationships: sons, sons-in-law, grandsons in quite a bit of detail. The Lucy who married Col Thomas Spencer would not be mentioned in the will since her father William is. Certainly, she could sign as a witness, but an older Lucy such as a sister of William, Sr might be just as likely to be a witness. Martha said: "Robert Breedlove first appears on a Lunenburg County, VA Tithe List with James Breedlove in 1751. If a male is tithable when he is 16, this would mean that Robert was born in about 1735. It would also mean that Robert was 29 in 1764 when James died. I have never understood why he was not mentioned in any way when his father's estate was settled. Why was James' estate settled in Essex County when he lived in Lunenburg County? Is it really the same James? " I think it is real easy to mix up all of the James and Roberts that may be around. That Robert may have been born about 1735 and been about 29 when James, Sr died in 1764 makes sense. I think the records in Lunenburg Co strongly suggest that this Robert and James,Jr are brothers. James, Jr has a wife Mary in records until at least 1773, and this Jame,Jr dies before 1797. Robert and niece Sina are mentioned several times. Robert is mentioned almost exclusively as witness to land sales, and does not appear to own much land himself. He appears to be a professional juror as much as anything. He also gets into trouble, once appearing in court for shooting someone's mare. A wife was not mentioned. I am not sure that James,Sr and Lucretia ever lived in Lunenburg Co, VA, but their children may have. From Lucretia's estate in Essex Co, VA in 1772, she obviously has close relationships with Tribles and Constance (Parr) Edmondson in Essex Co. I am picking up on Hope Perry Breedlove's comment on p.15 of his book that the Breedloves in Lunenburg and Charlotte counties are probably closely connected. There is little other than Hope's logic that John/Benjamin have much association with Robert/James,Jr. And, that John/Benjamin/Robert/James,Jr are children of James,Sr and Lucretia is only a guess based on the proliferation of Kindness names in this family line. That Charles and Spencer were probably children of James,Sr and Lucretia was suggested by Hope on p.15 also. My information is that Charles Breedlove married Sally Fletcher in Essex Co, VA in 1774. With Fletchers and Parrs in Caswell Co, NC where we find Charles and Spencer before entering the Revolutionary War, there seems to be a suggestion that there was some migration from Essex Co, VA to Caswell Co, NC and that might include Lunenburg/Charlotte counties on the way. To me, these periferal relationships suggest Charles and Spencer had parentage in Essex Co, VA, but geography might also suggest brothers and sisters in Lunenburg/Charlotte counties. I am obviously looking for help here! By the way, other than Hope's reference, I do not have the benefit of the detail of James Breedlove, Sr's estate settlement in Essex Co, in 1764. Are other Breedlove's beside Nathan mentioned? Can you provide this detail? Martha said: "Another thought about Robert, in the 1790 Charlotte County VA Census, he is listed as having 3 white people and 6 black people living in his house. If he had no wife and that is a good assumption, who were the 3 white people? Sally Almond mentioned in Robert's will may be of the Alleman family and a distant cousin." Robert's lifestyle is hard to figure at all; especially as he mentions his sister Isabel Johnson Breedlove in his will of 1791 as well. Bill