Tom, Please help me. If Francis and Nancy Ramey are Rebecca Wilkenson and Jacob Ramey's children, then, according to the 1850 Greene Co, Mo census, they would have to be Ramey's children, not Rebecca Wilkenson's. Also, Rebecca is listed as a NC birthplace. Rebecca (age 27) could not have been the birth mother of Francis and Nancy Ramey prior to having Emarillis and Nancy (about the same age) by John Breedlove. OR, are you saying Emarillis, Nancy, Charles W., and Ransom D are John's by a previous marriage? If so, by whom? If we believe the 1850 census about John and Rebecca, they/he could have been in NC as late as 1839 since their children are all born in MO. Interestingly, the note by John Breedlove for the care of Eliza is dated 1837, which may be about the time John moved from NC to MO. This would fit your Rebecca Wilkenson/Jacob Ramey marriage of Sep 20, 1838. Back to Rutherford Co, NC: Charles Breedlove exercised warrants for 600 acres of land in Rutherford Co, NC as follows: Mar 13, 1786 300 acres survedy with Lemuel and Joseph Moore as chainbearers. Mar 23, 1790 200 acres surveyed with James Breedlove as one of the chainbearers Oct 20, 1797 100 acres surveyed with James Breedlove as one of the chainbearers. Estimating James was about 12 +/- 2 yrs in 1790, his birth would be about 1778. This would be consistent with his marriage to Nancy Simmons in 1800. I fitted the Greene Co, MO (1850 census) Breedloves which might be children of James Breedlove of Rutherford Co, NC to your 1820 NC census with the following results: three males under 10 John(age 7), perhaps another James(Jr) one male 10-16 Spencer(age 12) one male 16-26 Charles(age 18 if born about 1802). This is the Charles who died in Greene Co, MO in 1852 obviously related to John and Spencer in providing support for Eliza. one female under 10 Eliza(age 5) I realize this fit in NECESSARY, but NOT SUFFICIENT I also think it is logical to expect James Breedlove to be very proud of his father Charles and uncle Spencer(deceased) who both served in the Revolutionary War that he might name his own sons after them. For me, the records of NC, AL, MO support this scenario until more factual information proves otherwise. All of this I hope to test against NC probate records during my spring 1999 trip to NC. Bill Breedlove