Tom King, Ellen Byrne, and all interested listers, I got Joni's CD last night and sat down until 1:30 in the morning (trying to ignore the election) searching through it electronically to get all the wording from it on Mary Webster Webb and her father John Webster. This was in an attempt to look at the wording and see if I could see anything in it that might have been overlooked. Here is the text: The following text comes from "Breedlove Genealogical History" by Hope Perry Breedlove (1965) transcribed from original (to CD) by Joni Lyn (Harris) Breedlove (1999) OLDEST RECORDS IN THE U.S. (VIRGINIA) CONCERNING BREEDLOVES These are the oldest official records found to-date. From these records it would seem that at least one of the original Breedlove immigrants came to the area of Rappahanock and Gloucester (Essex formed from part of these) counties of Virginia, sometime in the late 1600s or early 1700s. Charles Breedlove, Sr. was apparently one of the original. (Research done by Ann Waller Ready (Genealogist) in April, 1956 for Miss Eula Haskew. Records from Old Rappahannock by Wilkinson and from Essex County, Virginia.) Deed and Will Book 11, page 123 - September 8, 1701 - Essex County, Virginia. "Will of John WEBSTER- to Mary Broughton, wife of James Broughton, 1 gold ring, value at 20 shillings. The rest of the estate to daughter Mary WEBSTER and her heirs forever. Daughter Mary WEBSTER and James Broughton, Sr., Executorsof will - proved December 10, 1703." Old Rappahannock, by Wilkinson: Deed and Will Book 10, page 70, dated June 10, 1701. "Will of Phillip Parr names daughters Judith, Mary and Constant. To oldest daughter Judith Parr all the land in Middlesex County left her by her grandfather Allman. To daughter Mary Parr (married Breedlove) my Manor Plantation. To daughter Constant Parr and wife Judith all the rest of my land." Essex County - "In a suit before the General Court, Williamsburg, it is stated that 'Thomas Allaman' who died Gloucester County, Va., March 9, 1706, married twice - had daughter Judith by first marriage, who in turn married an Edmondson and had sons John and Thomas, both of whom were living in 1753". Essex County Deed Book 13, page 147, dated September 9, 1708 - "shows Charles Breedlove as a witness" (Note: This is the earliest written record of Breedloves in the U.S. that has been found to-date.) Essex County Order Book #4, page 274, date July 11, 1710 - "shows Charles Breedlove made a payment to Edward Mosby". Essex County, Deed Book 14, page 322, dated May 2, 1724 - "shows Thomas Edmondson and Constance Edmondson, his wife; Charles Breedlove and Mary Breedlove, his wife, sell to Thomas Fitzjefferies a parcel of land lying in Essex County, containing 50 acres of wooded ground, it being and now doth by right belong to said Constant Edmondson and Mary Breedlove as heirs from Mary Webb, deceased, daughter of the deceased John WEBSTER will all houses, etc." Old Rappanhannock Records, page 93 - "shows James Edmondson married Judith (relect' (widow) of Phillip Parr." [page] --13-- Old Rappahannock Records - "shows that Judith Edmondsons' will dated March 6, 1763 names daughters (1) Constant Edmondson (nee Constant Parr, daughter of Judith and Phillip Parr) (she evidently married an Edmondson as did her mother at second marriage); (2) Mary Breedlove; (3) Judith Faulkner; the following children by her marriage to James Edmondson (4) Eliza, (5) Thomas and (6) John Edmondson and her brother (7) William Allman (half brother). Judith Edmondson was an only child of Thomas Allman by his first wife. Just who Thomas Allman's first wife was has not been determined, she could have been a sister of John WEBSTER and cousin of Mary WEBSTER(Webb). If Mary WEBSTER(Webb) married, she evidently did not have any children and outlived her husband, this being the reason Constant Edmondson and Mary Breedlove inherited land by right, that was part of a patent of 189-acres formerly granted to John WEBSTER. They would of necessity have had to be blood relatives in order to inherit 'by right', however just what relationship they had to either John WEBSTER or Mary WEBSTER (Webb) has not been proved. This should however disprove the thought that Constant Edmondson, Mary Breedlove or Judith Faulkner were daughters of Mary WEBSTER (Webb). ==================================================== As you can know, we still have many more questions than answers, and no one that I have spoken to has solved this. Do you have any information to add to it? Has anyone disproved the theory that Thomas Allman's first wife was a sister of John Webster? ("Just who Thomas Allman's first wife was has not been determined, she could have been a sister of John WEBSTER and cousin of Mary WEBSTER(Webb).") Actually, the odds are, it seems, that Mary was a cousin and that is why she ended up willing property to Constant Edmondson and Mary Breedlove. Does anyone know who this John Webster might have been, and if he had a sister who could have married Thomas Allman? Thanks all. I am on the Webster list and have asked them the same question. Carole Calhoun, Strickland, Lowry, Mullicane, Breedlove, Allman, Carr genealogyresearch@prodigy.net This is just a name for my separate genealogy research mailbox. I am not a professional genealogist.