thats ok tom you can rain on my parade. yes, charles did appear as a witness later but that is not his date of birth evidently i know you are bent on documented evidence which makes you a valuable source. but surely you began somewhere at some point. the fact remains we are all still interested in certain proofs to establish credibility of our own findings..yes, it does get frustrating at times. but consider the number of years that has already gone into these researchs and still no real satisfaction for many of us at some point enough is enough..and a certified professional has to help i did send out an email to the firm in england ,should reply soon. by the way going through my files of the virginians in the revolution p.91 i noticed a breedlove sur name "of Rockingham,E.????might be interesting to check up on. catch you later. willette. also, i have been in contact with family of the watkins and herndons waiting for a reply.