reply to brian. as i have stated before i ran across james 1655, va. as the earliest breedlove listed at salt lake city archives..(kindness)..in hope's book they were trying to connect the james's and kindness.. it had already been established that charles and mary had the 7 children i listed. one of which was james so. lucretia. onr sister was kindness breedlove. thomas 1690, and cornelius 1692 were also established at slc records, with family's. you might want to search this yourself. as my msg earlier today stated."this is the sequence i worked on".. ibelieve bill breedlove on line has something of record ehere he is explaing his findings regarding james's,kindness,etc. my reply today was jumping in on the previous msg's earlier last year . i added that a reply to the england firm would be in order (at this time) that perhaps could clarify all our questions..inclusively..should anyone be interested. i realize earlier submissions to slc required contact with the submiters personally. at the time (last summer) i did not have my own computer at home. i have just now began to tap into what has been submitted online..before i continued with my research.also hoping someone out there had rstablished in this years time missing links. i have made a few breakthroughs..sorry if you did not get the trend of my message before. i was not trying to shake the family tree,but i guess i did. it was a beginning point for me, of what my findings had been not necessarily to show documentations of at this point . i wanted to establish my descendancy (from hope's book) for the colaboration aspect.(and i believe you are on the mary watkins end of it..you did not give much info. when i asked you.. i like to know who i am talking to (from what lineage).. i notice there are some seasoned players here..many know where i'm coming from which makes it easier to reply..as i have said i am new at this. hope this is a satisfactory answer for you. catch you later.