Thankyou Tom.....If there is anymore information out there from other BREEDLOVE'S please feel to reply..... Suzie

Any information on JORDAN BREEDLOVE or ELISHA BREEDLOVE and JACOB BREEDLOVE would be great. "Anything"........Thankyou. Suzie

Marquel, and Others: I am sorry you are offended by my hardball argument with Tom. See my recent and followup messages if you doubt my appreciation of Tom King and his wealth of background and information. Yes, it is embarrassing to APPEAR to be wrong on a national bulletin board. Hard research requires some tough challenges of the information and it's sources. If I were not very interested in obtaining an ultimate truth, I would not ask difficult questions myself, or challenge Tom's version with my own convictions. We may or may not agree when the dust settles. I appreciate the opportunity to engage. Tom will confirm that I purposely directed my questions to the BREEDLOVE-L list rather than use a personal e-mail to Tom, expecting his replies to be returned in the same way. I take full responsibility for the hard discussion you witnessed. My information and research is for all to see and share. I am blessed by the success I have had in researching my family line and I owe a great deal to this forum. Sincerely, Bill Breedlove Las Cruces, NM

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Bill & Jan Breedlove wrote: > Your arguments are compelling, and I appreciate your energies. Yes, > someone has misread the original documents, perhaps me, but I plan > to get further resolution of this question. Regarding the File 476 > contents versus the version of the 1850 census taker, I guess I will choose to accept the birth place of Charles as NC mainly because of his sibling relationships that I regard as compelling. I would tend to agree on that basis since we do not know what happened to James and Nancy after 1820. I have sent two request for lookups in the early Greene County Tax and Land Records to see if we can figure out just when each of the Breedlove's got there. > Reviewing William Breedlove, Sr's estate settlement again, Webster Co, > MO File 1723, the list of heirs by William Jr reads in part " -- Charles, Ransom & Nancy Breedlove." If we agree that this Charles is > apparently deceased by final settlement in 1871, who do you think are > the parents of Ransom and Nancy Breedlove? Do you know if this > Charles is the father or brother of Ransom and Nancy? The settlement payout for Ransom and Nancy is not at the level of heirs, but at a second level such as for grandchildren. Bill, this is intriguing. Charles, Ransom, Nancy and Amarillies who died in 1856, are the children of John Breedlove by his first wife Sarah Ann ??? These are all listed on the 1850 Green census. It is this Charles W. Breedlove who died in the Civil War on 3 Jan 1864 in Little Rock, AR. Why would children of John be heirs of William is the quesion. Could it be that Sarah Ann was a daughter of William? John was William's nephew and very much alive but his wife had died and he had remarried to Rebecca Wilkison. That would appear to be the case, that is that William devised to the children of his deceased daughter Sarah Ann, which would make them grandchildren, rather than to her husband who had children by a second wife by the time William made out his will. I can think of no other reason for only these particular children to be named and not any of John's other children. Granted that the normal way would be to specifically say they were his deceased daughter's children, but such things are forgotten sometimes in death bed wills, since everyone present knows exactly who the testator is talking about. The total of these children's shares should equal the amount for each of William's other childen so that the share that would have gone to Sarah Ann as a daughter would be split eqully amoung her chldren. This would explain the mixup over two Charles Breedlove's. The only adult Charles in 1850 would be the one on the census who died in 1852. The one mentioned in William's will in 1858 was his grandson. Given this, I would say the preponderance of evidence would make the first Charles the son of James & Nancy Simmons Breedlove. Now we have to find out who the other two daughters were that are listed on the 1820 census. Tom

Tom, Your arguments are compelling, and I appreciate your energies. Yes, someone has misread the original documents, perhaps me, but I plan to get further resolution of this question. Regarding the File 476 contents versus the version of the 1850 census taker, I guess I will choose to accept the birth place of Charles as NC mainly because of his sibling relationships that I regard as compelling. Reviewing William Breedlove, Sr's estate settlement again, Webster Co, MO File 1723, the list of heirs by William Jr reads in part " -- Charles, Ransom & Nancy Breedlove." If we agree that this Charles is apparently deceased by final settlement in 1871, who do you think are the parents of Ransom and Nancy Breedlove? Do you know if this Charles is the father or brother of Ransom and Nancy? The settlement payout for Ransom and Nancy is not at the level of heirs, but at a second level such as for grandchildren. Bill

TOM & ALL: BACK to my Breedlove connection.... havent heard from folks (I don't THINK) who are desc. from the same Breedlove as my Breedlove connection (which marr. into my Stembridge line from Crawford Co.GA late 1800s, then they res. Bibb Co.,Macon, on 1900 Census). FRANK BREEDLOVE m. ANNIE VERNELIA STEMBRIDGE (d/o Joseph B.& Sarah Amelia Patterson Stembridge, who res. Crawford Co.,GA early to late 1800s)..... I am trying to find descendants of this FRANK BREEDLOVE's family ....dont know who his parents or sibs are ... do you?? (FRANK & ANNIE had dtr named Laura and dtr or gr'daughter named Katie Breedlove...marr. a Gibson I believe, and went to Nashville, TN.... does this ring any bells? Believe there was a gr'son named Wm. Gibson in TN???) Don't know if he was from Dawson, GA ... or Crawford Co.(Knoxville) as my Stembridge line was. My grandfather, Benjamin "Frank"lin STEMBRIDGE was the younger brother of Annie V. Stembridge Breedlove. That's where my Breedlove interest comes in. Anyone know of these folks, and if you are from this Frank Breedlove's family? * THANKS TO ALL * ** TINA/CA ** - TINA@TCSN.NET -

Tom, It has taken me a while to reply to your response about Isaac Breedlove. Who is this John Breedlove RWS(?)? and Margaret Vawter? I thought this Isaac Breedlove, who went to Ohio, was the son of Nathan, the son of Charles and Mary Parr. Nathan mentions an Isaac in his will. Martha

Bill & Jan Breedlove wrote: > Your "Au, contraire" rebuttal of my Breedloves and Damerons > presentation is an interesting massage of existing data, but I am > unable to recognize any new facts or distinguishing proof. In spite of or rather more convincing is your new evidence that there is only one adult Charles Breedlove in Greene Countty, Missouri in 1850 and he is the one on the census. > I have introduced new evidence; i.e. the File 476 Green Co, MO estate > file of Charles Breedlove, deceased May 03, 1852 and the file 1895 > Webster Co, MO estate file of James K. Dameron, deceased Dec 10, 1885. > Without considering this new and enlightening detail, I fear your > argument is incomplete. There is not one shred of evidence in either of these files that gives any information concerning Charles' parents, age or place of birth. Abstracts of both of these have been long published and so have the WFT Vol 7, Families #505 and 2100, and Vol 11, Family #934 that lists all of the James K. Dameron family. There wasn't anything new in the complete files that I didn't already know, though there were some interestingg details, but nothing new in the way of proof of relationships. > Your confusion is from your reluctance to consider that in 1852 there > are two adult Charles Breedloves and two adult James Breedloves, (and > perhaps more than one Amelia). I have never said there weren't two James breedlove's just that the older one was not there in Green in 1850. Possibly he's the J. Breedlove age 27 born NC in Taney Co., MO. The only other Charles that is mentioned in Green that early is the son of William, but there is no evidence that this son ever lived in Green County. The probate of William's estate does not say where this son Charles was living or received his payments or even if he actually received any payments. All of the documents you sent had the signatures of all the other heirs receiving their portions, but none for the son Charles, which would indicate that he is dead and payments were made to his heirs. > The Charles and James from NC are probably the children of James and > Nancy Simmons Breedlove of NC (no evidence of their living in TN), > with other children being Spencer, John, and Eliza. One could argue > it's an easy fit, but the ages of Spencer, John, James, and Eliza in > MO do not violate the 1820 census for James Breedlove in Rutherford > Co, NC. Nowhere is there any proof that there was a son Charles, period! There were four sons as shown on the 1820 census of Rutherford, and I will agree that James, Spencer and John are three of them and that Eliza is one of the three daughters. > The Charles and James from TN are the children of William and > Amy Breedlove. I will agree that the James from Tennessee is he son of William, but I am not positive about the Charles from Tennessee according to the 1850 census, see below. > That the wife of Charles Breedlove (deceased in 1852) is from NC is > supported by her father James K. Dameron, Administrator, also from NC > and the 1840 Caswell Co, NC census for James K. Dameron is an exact > fit for the Dameron children on your family group sheet. Charles and > Amelia Breedlove on the 1850 Greene Co, MO census are both from TN. That is not necessarily true and is probably in error. The census taker might have asked where they came from and they said Tennessee, which they probably did stop in on the way from North Carolina. They might have asked the two White siblings if Charles and Amelia weren't home and because they were from Tennessee and had heard Charles talk about family in Tennessee, they assumed they were from there and told the census taker that the Breedloves were from Tennessee. That is only one reason birth places given on these early censuses are highly suspect. Those for Spencer's children are wrong, too. > Finally, File 476 Greene Co, MO probate for Charles Breedlove estate, > deceased May 03, 1852, contains a note by John Breedlove for Eliza > Breedlove with Charles Breedlove and Spencer Breedlove as security and > dated on Sep 06, 1837, repeat Sep 06, 1837. In 1856 James Breedlove > signs a similar note for Eliza with John Breedlove as security. This > is the considerate, responsible conduct of brothers and sisters. Your entire argument falls on this one note that is ACTUALLY DATED SEP 6, 1851, NOT 1837!!!!! This is file #134 in the Guardian Bond Book. Those for #132 and 133, the two just before it are dated Sep 4 and Sep 6, 1851 respectively. The copy of the note in the estate file is either a forgery or someone changed the date on it or you are not reading it correctly. Granted that is the conduct of brothers wanting to insure for their sister's future, there is nothing that says that any of these brothers were living in Green County, nor is there any requirement in law, that they should be residents of the county. Only the principal guardian John must be a resident. Spencer was still in Tennessee in 1837 through at least 1840 when he was on the census here. The birth place of most of his children given on the 1850 census of North Carolina is most likely wrong and should be Tennessee. He was married in Roane in 1834 and is there in 1840 so I doubt seriously if he kept going back to NC to have his children. > However, the Charles Breedlove on the 1850 census (age 28) would have > been only age 15 in 1837 and hardly eligible to be security on a legal > note for guardianship. These are two distinctly different Charles > Breedloves, and probably cousins. This fails in the face of the actual date of the guardian note. This Charles was living closer to Spencer and John in 1850 than he was to William and his sons James and William, but that too is inconclusive without a study of the deed records. Did you happen to copy the index to deeds for any Breedlove transactions? The names and ages of this Charles, his wife and daughter all fit exactly with the Charles who died in 1852, including all of the estate records for James K. Dameron. I stand on my original statement, that the Charles Breedlove on the 1850 census of Green County is the same Charles Breedlove who died in 1852. Whether he was born in NC or TN is debatable. If he was born in NC then he most likely is the son of James & Nancy Simmons Breedlove. if he was born in Tennessee, then he could still be James and Nancy''s or he could be William and Amy's. The odds of finding another Charles Breedlove in Green county matching the one who died in 1852 on the 1850 census is highly unlikely. I have scanned each page of that census for any Charles and only one had a wife Milly and 4 kids, two Charles that had daughters named Mary born in PA or IL. Same results with the printed version. What hasn't been looked at are the Tax records to see if there are two separate listings for that time for a Charles Breedlove. Tom

Tom, Your "Au, contraire" rebuttal of my Breedloves and Damerons presentation is an interesting massage of existing data, but I am unable to recognize any new facts or distinguishing proof. I have introduced new evidence; i.e. the File 476 Green Co, MO estate file of Charles Breedlove, deceased May 03, 1852 and the file 1895 Webster Co, MO estate file of James K. Dameron, deceased Dec 10, 1885. Without considering this new and enlightening detail, I fear your argument is incomplete. Your confusion is from your reluctance to consider that in 1852 there are two adult Charles Breedloves and two adult James Breedloves, (and perhaps more than one Amelia). One each from NC. One each from TN. The Charles and James from NC are probably the children of James and Nancy Simmons Breedlove of NC (no evidence of their living in TN), with other children being Spencer, John, and Eliza. One could argue it's an easy fit, but the ages of Spencer, John, James, and Eliza in MO do not violate the 1820 census for James Breedlove in Rutherford Co, NC. The Charles and James from TN are the children of William and Amy Breedlove. The two James Breedloves are easy to distinguish using the 1870 MO census. One (age 57) lives with John Breedlove household. One (age 45) lives with wife Cynthia. An age difference of 12 years and two separate households. That the wife of Charles Breedlove (deceased in 1852) is from NC is supported by her father James K. Dameron, Administrator, also from NC and the 1840 Caswell Co, NC census for James K. Dameron is an exact fit for the Dameron children on your family group sheet. Charles and Amelia Breedlove on the 1850 Greene Co, MO census are both from TN. Finally, File 476 Greene Co, MO probate for Charles Breedlove estate, deceased May 03, 1852, contains a note by John Breedlove for Eliza Breedlove with Charles Breedlove and Spencer Breedlove as security and dated on Sep 06, 1837, repeat Sep 06, 1837. In 1856 James Breedlove signs a similar note for Eliza with John Breedlove as security. This is the considerate, responsible conduct of brothers and sisters. However, the Charles Breedlove on the 1850 census (age 28) would have been only age 15 in 1837 and hardly eligible to be security on a legal note for guardianship. These are two distinctly different Charles Breedloves, and probably cousins. We may have to simply and respectfully disagree. Bill Breedlove

Bill & Jan Breedlove wrote: > When I left on my trip about a month ago, Tom King and I had just > concluded an exchange regarding James K. Dameron and his relationship > to the Charles Breedlove who died in Greene Co, MO on May 03, 1852. > My contention and argument, now my conviction, that this Charles > Breedlove (heirs Mildred Ann Breedlove, Mary and James Y. Breedlove) > was not the Charles Breedlove on the 1850 Greene Co, MO census is now > supported by these source facts after revisiting Greene and Webster > counties, MO. Au, contraire, I would bet any amount of money that this Charles is the one on the 1850 census. Mildred and Amelia are the same name, with Millie, Milly as pet forms. I had an Aunt Mildred (by her birth certificate) that was called both Amelia and Milly and her social security file is under Amelia. It's likely someone told the census taker her name was Milly and he wrote down Amelia when he could have just as easily wrote Mildred, either of which is correct for the nickname Milly. The daughter Mary E. is age two on the 1850 census which fits exactly with the daughter of Charles and Mildred/Amelia. James Yancey was born later in 1850 after the census was taken so he was not listed. There is not one doubt in my mind that the Charles that died in 1852 is the one on the 1850 census age 28 born in Tennessee. Did you get a copy of the actual marriage record for Charlea? All of the printed abstracts give her name as Millard M. Damons, so I'd be interested to see exactly what the original record shows. > There is no Amelia in the Dameron family. (I do not know the Amelia > family name who is married to the Charles Breedlove on the 1850 Greene > Co, MO census. This Charles, from TN and son of William Sr, I believe > dies about/after 1860, perhaps in the Civil War.) The Charles that died in the Civil War was the son of John & his first wife Sarah Ann ??. The Charles that died in 1869 in Webster was the son of Spencer. > > Webster Co, MO probate File 1895 yields the following heirs fitted to > Tom King's Family Group Sheet information. > CHILDREN OF BARSHEBA DAMERON: > 1. Mildred Ann Dameron. Spouse Charles Breedlove. > Greene Co File 476 refers to Mildred Ann Breedlove and Mildred Ann > Mcdonald by 1855. Webster Co File 1895 refers to Millie McDonald > deceased. Children are: > W.T. McDonald > R.L. McDonald > Mary E. Singleton (dau of Charles and Mildred Ann Breedlove) > Sarah A. Singleton > Rhonda Ann Summer > James Breedlove (son of Charles and Mildred Ann Breedlove, "J. Y." > signed on receipts for "James Yancy") That would be William Terrell McDonald 1855 Sarah Artelia McDonald 1860 Rhoda Ann McDonald 1863 Richard Lafayette McDonald 16 Aug 1864 Mary Elizabeth Breedlove 1848 James Yancy Breedlove 22 Oct 1850 > CHILDREN OF OLIVE ANN MOORE DAMERON as reasoned from 1840 Caswell Co, > NC census and (ages on 1860 Webster Co, MO census in parentheses): > 6. Jomanda Dameron (16). Spouse C. W. Brooks (receipt signature as > witness) > 7. Eliza J. Dameron (15). Spouse FNU Henslee. > 8. Anderson H. Dameron (12). Administrator of estate of James K. > Dameron. > 9. Laura E. Dameron (10). Spouse FNU Fisher. > 10. James A. Dameron (7) > 11. Yancy C. Dameron (3) Their children were: Jomada Stella 22 Jun 1843 Eliza Jane 21 Apr 1845 Anderson Haywood 7 Mar 1848 Laura E. 3 Feb 1850 James A. 23 Feb 1854 Yancy Clay 2 Aug 1856, died 10 Feb 1861 > The name "Yancy" given to Charles and Mildren Ann Bredlove's son James > Y, and to Yancy C. Dameron may have come from a very prominent judge. > "The History of Greene Co, MO 1883" (Greene County Archives Bulletin > Number Forty-Two) pp 228-230 describes a famous and respected Judge > Charles S. Yancey who presided over the first legal hanging in Greene > County on Aug 25, 1854. Yancey was also the name of a prominent politician back in Caswell Co., NC. > (Charles, John, James, and Eliza) apparently came to MO about the same > time form NC. Brother Spencer (on 1850 Greene Co, MO census) born in > NC was already in MO having lived with Uncle William, married his > cousin Sally and arriving via TN. Without having seen ALL of the payout records for the estate of William Breedlove to the son Charles (the ones you sent are inconclusive), I cannot rule out the one who died in 1852 as being his son. For the sake of argument if we rule out William as his father, and John and Spencer as their sons named Charles were in their households in 1850, that leaves only James & Nancy as the parents for this Charles. If that is true, then James and Nancy had to have moved to Tennessee before 1822 when this Charles was born there. This is entirely possible since we have no further record of them after the 1820 Census of Rutherford Co., NC. There are still other possiblities as the father of this Charles, namely the brother James, or the fourth unknown male shown in the 1820 Rutherford census. What is strange about the entire estate proceedlings is that not one Breedlove is involved, either as administator, bond guarantor or child guardian or in the sale of property. This would indicate to me that this Charles was an outcast or black sheep of the family. Could it be that he is another illegitimate son of Patsy and brother to Simpson???? Tom

When I left on my trip about a month ago, Tom King and I had just concluded an exchange regarding James K. Dameron and his relationship to the Charles Breedlove who died in Greene Co, MO on May 03, 1852. (Tom - your e-mail of Aug 20, 1998) My contention and argument, now my conviction, that this Charles Breedlove (heirs Mildred Ann Breedlove, Mary and James Y. Breedlove) was not the Charles Breedlove on the 1850 Greene Co, MO census is now supported by these source facts after revisiting Greene and Webster counties, MO. File 476, Greene Co, MO probate records contains the probate of the estate of Charles Breedlove deceased on 5-03-1852. File 1895, Webster Co, MO probate records contains the probate of the estate of James K. Dameron deceased 12-10-1885. The widow of Charles Breedlove was Mildred Ann Breedlove as verified by these two independent probate processes. This widow Mildred Ann Breedlove later marries Raleigh McDonald by Feb 14, 1855 (based on a series of receipt signatures). There is no Amelia in the Dameron family. (I do not know the Amelia family name who is married to the Charles Breedlove on the 1850 Greene Co, MO census. This Charles, from TN and son of William Sr, I believe dies about/after 1860, perhaps in the Civil War.) Webster Co, MO probate File 1895 yields the following heirs fitted to Tom King's Family Group Sheet information. CHILDREN OF BARSHEBA DAMERON: 1. Mildred Ann Dameron. Spouse Charles Breedlove. Greene Co File 476 refers to Mildred Ann Breedlove and Mildred Ann Mcdonald by 1855. Webster Co File 1895 refers to Millie McDonald deceased. Children are: W.T. McDonald R.L. McDonald Mary E. Singleton (dau of Charles and Mildred Ann Breedlove) Sarah A. Singleton Rhonda Ann Summer James Breedlove (son of Charles and Mildred Ann Breedlove, "J. Y." signed on receipts for "James Yancy") 2. Martha F. Dameron. Spouse Francis Bruton, deceased. Children are: Jesse R. Bruton Jesse T. Bruton curator (probably brother of Francis) Viola S. Bruton same Ottis S. Bruton same James E. Bruton Martha C. Stuckey Lucy A. Greenup Candis R. Coldwell 3. John S. Dameron. Children of John S. Dameron, deceased: Artelia Dameron, spouse George Garner Winnie Dameron, spouse W.M. Crump S. C. Dameron 4. Artelia S. Dameron. Spouse Richard Carden. Artelia Susan (sometimes Susan A. or S. Artelia) while an heir, she resided in Kansas and owed the estate more that she could repay and is therefore not entitled to settlement. 5. Barsheba Dameron. Spouse Jackson Slack. CHILDREN OF OLIVE ANN MOORE DAMERON as reasoned from 1840 Caswell Co, NC census and (ages on 1860 Webster Co, MO census in parentheses): 6. Jomanda Dameron (16). Spouse C. W. Brooks (receipt signature as witness) 7. Eliza J. Dameron (15). Spouse FNU Henslee. 8. Anderson H. Dameron (12). Administrator of estate of James K. Dameron. 9. Laura E. Dameron (10). Spouse FNU Fisher. 10. James A. Dameron (7) 11. Yancy C. Dameron (3) Artela S. Dameron Carden was an heir not entitled to settlement. Yancy C. was not named in any way as an heir and must have died without wife or children by Dec 10, 1885. The name "Yancy" given to Charles and Mildren Ann Bredlove's son James Y, and to Yancy C. Dameron may have come from a very prominent judge. "The History of Greene Co, MO 1883" (Greene County Archives Bulletin Number Forty-Two) pp 228-230 describes a famous and respected Judge Charles S. Yancey who presided over the first legal hanging in Greene County on Aug 25, 1854. James K. Dameron is found on the 1840 Caswell Co, NC census with no wife, James (30-40), 1M(5-10), 2F(under 5), 2F(5-10). James K. Dameron was the Administrator of the estate for Charles Breedlove who died May 03, 1852 in Greene Co, MO. The Damerons and the Breedloves (Charles, John, James, and Eliza) apparently came to MO about the same time form NC. Brother Spencer (on 1850 Greene Co, MO census) born in NC was already in MO having lived with Uncle William, married his cousin Sally and arriving via TN. Finally, let me compliment Mr. Robert Neumann, Supervisor of the Greene County Archives. Address: Greene County Archives & Records Center Office of the County Clerk 1126 Boonville Springfield, MO 65802 (417)868-4102 FAX (417)868-4816 Many bulletins such as the one referenced above are printed and available for only $2.00 each. The archives accepts phone or written requests and researches their indexes free of charge. Copies are 25 cents each. Your mailing costs will be much more than these folks charge for their products and services.. Webster Co, MO probate records are more difficult to access. The process is a typical court house storage of records by an overworked staff. Bill Breedlove

Betty Kirkland wrote: > Dear Martha, Tom, Carolyn, etal: > I have accepted Hope Breedlove's records concerning Nancy and John > Breedlove because they fit my Parker records - And all the research of > many years simply cannot place Nancy in Albemarle County, VA at the > time others say she married John Breedlove. As far as I can tell, my > Parkers were never in Albemarle. And, as far as I know, they never had > a connection with Breedloves until they met in Georgia. My Parkers > were in North Carolina as early as 1752 - and, before that, the part > of Virginia that became North Carolina. They began to move to GA. 1786 > and 1791. First off, you must NEVER rely on any other records, even those by Hope until you consult the original records to verify what has been printed. Hope made many errors and tried to pidgeon hole some families because the names and ages or places fit, without very much proof. A casual glance at census indexes shows there were Parker families in Albemarle and I have not seen any proof that Nancy Parker came from any North Carolina family. On several occasions I have pointed out that John was a Revolutionary War Soldier and that any marriage record might be shown in his pension record or in Nancy's application. Also I pointed out the estate probate in Montgomery Co., Alabama which also might show the widow's proof of marriage. I again suggest you send for John's pension record and his estate file or rent the films they are on and copy them. BTW the printed books on Albemarle County Marriages are spotty at best and are not all inclusive. There again you can rent the films of the original records for that date to see if the marriage record is there. Broderbund does list this marriage in 1787 in Albemarle on one of their marriage CD's so you can write them for their source, but don't hold your breath waiting for a reply. There is supposed to be an article on John in the Alabama Historical Quarterly, Vol. 6, no 4, pg 534. This particular number is missing from our set at the library. See also Pauline Gandrud's Alabama Records, Vol 135, Montgomery County, pgs 55-57, and Vol. 190, pgs 47-50. > Inspite of my assertion, if facts prove me wrong, I will gladly > acquiesce. I have asked for information regarding the marriage record > in Albemarle and for information regarding the records of John > Breedlove in Montgomery Co., Alabama. No reply as yet. > Please tell me where I am wrong! Betty, the primary task for us all is to document what we hope are facts, hopefully using primary sources. Maybe I'm a doubting Thomas and want to poke my fingers into all of the holes in this Breedlove tree, but I have learned long ago that anything typed or printed is suspect. Breedlove lineages given in DAR, SAR, Hope's book and Olive's Notes all have mistakes, though Olive mostly just gave the data and source without trying to make too many connections. Send for copies of the original records and see what they say. They may surprise you or, more than likely, will lead to a lot more quesions. It never ends. Tom King

Frieda: I am looking for Breedlove's in Morgan Co Tn and I found William & Cloie there. I have not looked in Morgan Co Al. Juanita At 10:51 AM 9/27/98 EDT, you wrote: >Did you try Morgan Co., Alabama. That is where I am looking for Breedloves > >Frieda >

Dear Martha, Tom, Carolyn, etal: I think I need to clarify my connection to Breedloves and Parkers. My ancestor was John Breedlove who married Elizabeth Watkins. Their son, William W. Breedlove (Sr.) married Sarah H. Foster and had (among eight children) Lucy Foster Breedlove. Lucy married Asa Hatley Parker, youngest son of Lewis Parker and the brother of Nancy Parker, who married John Breedlove. Lucy and Asa's son, James Anthony Parker, was my grandfather. I have accepted Hope Breedlove's records concerning Nancy and John Breedlove because they fit my Parker records - And all the research of many years simply cannot place Nancy in Albemarle County, VA at the time others say she married John Breedlove. As far as I can tell, my Parkers were never in Albemarle. And, as far as I know, they never had a connection with Breedloves until they met in Georgia. My Parkers were in North Carolina as early as 1752 - and, before that, the part of Virginia that became North Carolina. They began to move to GA. 1786 and 1791. Inspite of my assertion, if facts prove me wrong, I will gladly acquiesce. I have asked for information regarding the marriage record in Albemarle and for information regarding the records of John Breedlove in Montgomery Co., Alabama. No reply as yet. Please tell me where I am wrong! Betty P.S. Have some Parker information to share.

Does anyone know. . . Who is the I. D. Breedlove is that was an early attendee at the University of Texas? >From whom did Isaac M. Breedlove, b. 27 July 1772 in Culpeper Co., VA descend? Martha

The site information is from: http://www.mindspring.com/~jrstem/stem1.htm . See I knew I would find it! Laura

Hi, Here is what will help you. Found the lineage on the web, looking for the address. The gentleman that has this page covers William and his two brothers that came from England. Life is hectic here so give me a couple of days to send all the information. You will see that Kindness is Lucy's aunt. FYI FNU means first name unknown and Lnu means last name unknown Laura ps new grandmother of identical twin girls Descendants of William Stembridge Generation No. 1 1. WILLIAM1 STEMBRIDGE was born 1732 in Bridgeport, England, and died June 25, 1787 in Lunenburg Co, VA. He married FNU REESE 1754. More About WILLIAM STEMBRIDGE: Fact 2: July 12, 1787, Charlotte, VA Children of WILLIAM STEMBRIDGE and FNU REESE are: 2. i. JOHN2 STEMBRIDGE, b. 1758; d. 1811, Lebanon, Wilson Co, TN. 3. ii. THOMAS STEMBRIDGE, b. Baidport, England; d. 1837. iii. SALLY STEMBRIDGE, b. 1762, VA; m. JAMES SAMMON. iv. ELIZABETH STEMBRIDGE, b. 1764, VA; m. JOHN PAGE. v. MARY STEMBRIDGE. vi. MARTHA STEMBRIDGE. 4. vii. WILLIAM JR. STEMBRIDGE, b. 1760, VA; d. May 12, 1820. Generation No. 2 2. JOHN2 STEMBRIDGE (WILLIAM1) was born 1758, and died 1811 in Lebanon, Wilson Co, TN. He married MARY LNU. Child of JOHN STEMBRIDGE and MARY LNU is: i. ELIZABETH3 STEMBRIDGE, b. 1788, VA; m. CLEMENT SULLIVAN. 3. THOMAS2 STEMBRIDGE (WILLIAM1) was born in Baidport, England, and died 1837. He married SARAH LNU. Children of THOMAS STEMBRIDGE and SARAH LNU are: 5. i. LUCY R.3 STEMBRIDGE, b. June 06, 1795; d. February 17, 1852. 6. ii. JAMES W. STEMBRIDGE. iii. ANDERSON STEMBRIDGE, m. MARGARET SANDEFUR. iv. HENRY R. M. STEMBRIDGE. v. JOHN STEMBRIDGE. vi. WILLIAM STEMBRIDGE. vii. THOMAS L. STEMBRIDGE. 4. WILLIAM JR.2 STEMBRIDGE (WILLIAM1) was born 1760 in VA, and died May 12, 1820. He married KINDNESS BETSY BREEDLOVE January 22, 1785. Children of WILLIAM STEMBRIDGE and KINDNESS BREEDLOVE are: i. HENRY REESE3 STEMBRIDGE. ii. JENNY TEMPLE STEMBRIDGE. Generation No. 3 5. LUCY R.3 STEMBRIDGE (THOMAS2, WILLIAM1) was born June 06, 1795, and died February 17, 1852. She married (1) JAMES WARREN, son of JESSE WARREN and ELIZABETH LNU. She married (2) WILLIAM WATKINS BREEDLOVE1 March 06, 1821 in Hancock Co, GA1, son of WILLIAM BREEDLOVE and SARAH FOSTER. Notes for JAMES WARREN: Hancock Co. Wills & Estates: (vol. & p.) K 253 James Warren, deceased--Jeremiah Warren, administrator. 4 Jan. 1821 Children of LUCY STEMBRIDGE and JAMES WARREN are: i. WILLIAM S.4 WARREN, b. May 30, 1816, Hancock Co, GA; d. August 02, 1863, Tallapoosa Co, AL; m. HELEN MATT MOORE, December 13, 1837, Greene Co, GA. Notes for HELEN MATT MOORE: [] William and Helen migrated to Tallapoosa Co, AL, on 25 Oct 1838 from Hancock Co, GA. ii. MARTHA WARREN, b. Hancock Co, GA; m. ELIJAH CARTER, October 21, 1841, Tallapoosa Co, AL2. Children of LUCY STEMBRIDGE and WILLIAM BREEDLOVE are: iii. THOMAS WATSON4 BREEDLOVE, b. May 1822, GA; d. Aft. 1891, AR; m. SARAH BINGHAM, December 11, 1845, Tallapoosa Co, AL. Notes for THOMAS WATSON BREEDLOVE: Blacksmith per 1860 census iv. ROBERT FOSTER BREEDLOVE, b. December 1826, GA; d. Bef. 1900, AL; m. (1) FNU LNU, Abt. 1855, Tallapoosa Co, AL; m. (2) SICILY JANE NIX, November 03, 1866, Tallapoosa Co, AL. v. SARAH ELIZABETH BREEDLOVE, b. December 1826, GA; d. December 1889, TX; m. GREEN S. BINGHAM, December 29, 1844, Tallapoosa Co, AL. vi. JOHN FLETCHER BREEDLOVE, b. March 30, 1829, GA; d. Bef. 1900, AL; m. SUSAN JANE DUKE, May 12, 1850, Macon Co, AL. vii. CAROLINE BREEDLOVE, b. 1831, GA; m. ELISHA W. BAGGETT, January 11, 1849, Tallapoosa Co, AL. Notes for ELISHA W. BAGGETT: Blacksmith per 1860 census viii. ELIZA JANE BREEDLOVE, b. 1838, GA. 6. JAMES W.3 STEMBRIDGE (THOMAS2, WILLIAM1). He married MARTHA BRIMBERRY. Child of JAMES STEMBRIDGE and MARTHA BRIMBERRY is: i. JOSEPH B.4 STEMBRIDGE, m. SARAH AMELIA PATTERSON. Endnotes 1. Br�derbund Software, Inc., World Family Tree Vol. 10, Ed. 1, (Release date: May 6, 1997), "CD-ROM," Tree #4027, Date of Import: Mar 27, 1998. 2. Marriage Records, 1834-1863 of Tallapoosa Co, Volume 1, Martha Warren married Elijah Carter 10-21-1841, Marcus Haskins, bondsman, Isaac Smith, J.P. -----Original Message----- From: MNBKahn@aol.com <MNBKahn@aol.com> To: BREEDLOVE-L@rootsweb.com <BREEDLOVE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, September 28, 1998 5:37 AM Subject: Re: [BREEDLOVE-L] BREEDLOVE/STEMBRIDGE >Tina, > >If you discover that Lucy Stembridge, who was the dau of Thomas and Sarah from >Hancock, will you please post the rest of her Stembridge line on the list? I >am interested in connecting these Stembridges to the William and Kindness >Breedlove Stembridge who left VA and went to Hancock Co., GA before 1800. > >Martha >

Gang, If you'be been reading the periodic bulletins from Dr. Leverich, you'll already know that Rootsweb's computers became very buggy in the last week or so. Things are back up and running ok -- Unfortunately some mail was lost, so if you sent something to BREEDLOVE-L and it didn't echo back to you, send it again! More critically, three people who subscribed never were added to the distribution list. I found these, but perhaps there are others. Compounding matters was my vacation last week, so I didn't catch these errors as quickly as I could have. Sooooo, if anybody hears any complaints about not being able to subscribe, or to post, refer them to me and I'll try and fix things. happy posting! Tom

Tina, If you discover that Lucy Stembridge, who was the dau of Thomas and Sarah from Hancock, will you please post the rest of her Stembridge line on the list? I am interested in connecting these Stembridges to the William and Kindness Breedlove Stembridge who left VA and went to Hancock Co., GA before 1800. Martha