I am puzzled about some of this information. I had thought that the Benjamin Breedlove who married Mary Watkins was the son of Thomas Breedlove and Sarah Broaddus. I have also been given information, which may or may not be true, that lists the wife of Benjamin and Mary's son John Watkins Breedlove as Sarah Nesbitt. What John Watkins married twice? Ed Broadus On Sat, 31 Oct 1998, MR THOMAS S JONES wrote: > Guys, > > Below is a note from Dorothy Avery, a one-time subscriber. > > Tom > > > --[ FORWARDED PRIVATE MESSAGE ]-------- > > To: VSVE92A > From: "Dorthy M. Avery" <dottiea@epix.net> > Subject: BREEDLOVES > Date: 10/29/98 09:41 PM > > Hi; > my name is Dorothy M Croteaau Avery, dau of Henry Wm > Croteau(Cabadian-French) and wife Nannie Laura Breedlove, dau of Daniel > Michael Breedlove & Willie Christie Ham. Daniel is the son of William > Jackson Breedlove & Laura E Funderburgh. William Jackson Breedlove is > the son of Wilkins Jackson Breedlove & Mary B Taylor. Wilkins Jackson > Breedlove is the son John Watkins Breedlove & Nancy Parker. John Watkins > Breedlove is the son Benjamin Breedlove & Mary Watkins and Benjamin is > the brother of your John Breedlove who marries Elizabeth Watkins. This > also makes Elizabeth & Mary sisters. I do not know if you had gotten > this far or not but perhaps we may be able to help each other out. > Benjamin & John are the sons of James Breedlove & Lucrecy (WATKINS ?) > but here the needed proof stops. Can you prove this? I had made friends > with Hope Pery BREEDLOVE who is in your string and he helped me very > much. I had corresponded with him for several years and had been to his > home in Stone Mountain, Georgia. He was a very determined man and loved > working on his Breedlove family. > I will look forward to hearing from you. > Dorothy M Avery 445 Route 23 Claverack, New York 12513-5145 > >

Guys, Below is a note from Dorothy Avery, a one-time subscriber. Tom --[ FORWARDED PRIVATE MESSAGE ]-------- To: VSVE92A From: "Dorthy M. Avery" <dottiea@epix.net> Subject: BREEDLOVES Date: 10/29/98 09:41 PM Hi; my name is Dorothy M Croteaau Avery, dau of Henry Wm Croteau(Cabadian-French) and wife Nannie Laura Breedlove, dau of Daniel Michael Breedlove & Willie Christie Ham. Daniel is the son of William Jackson Breedlove & Laura E Funderburgh. William Jackson Breedlove is the son of Wilkins Jackson Breedlove & Mary B Taylor. Wilkins Jackson Breedlove is the son John Watkins Breedlove & Nancy Parker. John Watkins Breedlove is the son Benjamin Breedlove & Mary Watkins and Benjamin is the brother of your John Breedlove who marries Elizabeth Watkins. This also makes Elizabeth & Mary sisters. I do not know if you had gotten this far or not but perhaps we may be able to help each other out. Benjamin & John are the sons of James Breedlove & Lucrecy (WATKINS ?) but here the needed proof stops. Can you prove this? I had made friends with Hope Pery BREEDLOVE who is in your string and he helped me very much. I had corresponded with him for several years and had been to his home in Stone Mountain, Georgia. He was a very determined man and loved working on his Breedlove family. I will look forward to hearing from you. Dorothy M Avery 445 Route 23 Claverack, New York 12513-5145

Tinda and the group, I'm sorry, I should have said somewhere that it is Lebanon, Laclede County, Missouri that we are talking about. Carole --[ ORIGINAL MESSAGE ]----------------- Hi, I tried really hard to figure this one out on my own, but is the Lebanon your referring to, in Ohio or Kentucky? They both have a Lebanon. Sorry for coming in on the tail end of this conversation. Thank you, Tinda -----Original Message----- From: MS CAROLE L COLQUEHOUN <JDPQ40A@prodigy.com> To: BOWLES-L@rootsweb.com <BOWLES-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 7:00 PM Subject: Bolles Cemetery >I can't remember when (or who) someone asked where the Bolles Cemetery is >in Lebanon. > >I am pretty sure Ellen Byrne probably answered the question, since the >answer is in her book. However, just in case........... > >Pg 30 of Ellen Byrne Book > >>From Homer Breedlove > >..... >The Upper bolles Cemetery, about 3 mi west of Lebanon on Hway 64, is on >high ground, the older folks are buried in the Lower Bolles Cemetery, in a >valley. I heard my Dad mention, his Dad, (John M. Sr) came from Ky, and >his mother from Tenn. Doxie told me Jack Breedlove married here, but i >think she is mistaken (Note from Ellen Byrne- think they prob. were married >in Mo. as Thos Lowry's 1st land rec, 1838, his dau Bett m. Jack Breedlove). >... > >:-) >Carole > >______________________________

Hi, I decided to put my two cents into this one. I have an MA in Archaeology and my Master's Thesis was on a form of rock art called petroglyphs. Petroglyphs are pictures etched into stone by chipping away the outer, darker surface of patina to get to the lighter rock underneath. I also recorded a cemetery as an archaeologist, as part of a site survey for an environmental report. It was a cemetery attached to one of the California missions. Those photographs came out great. Compared to the petroglyphs, it was a piece of cake. Dealing with recording rock art is exactly the same as dealing with recording tombstones, in my opinion. It has been a lot of years since I worked in archaeology, and even more since I photographed petroglyphs. But, I will try to remember what I learned about it. I can tell you that the photography suggestions on the list were really great, in my opinion. Black and white film, the most contrast you can get, etc. was right on, with the minor exception that sunlight is any kind of help. It isn't, since it cannot be controlled. Since petroglyphs were usually carved into patinated stones, the lighter inner surface stood out when they were first done. Gradually, however, patina once again would cover the drawing. Then, the contrast is no longer there, making it very difficult to see or photograph. Not that I could afford any special equipment as a graduate student, but I read at the time that using a polarizing filter on the camera might have helped. I remember we tried to photograph the glyphs during the afternoon, when the shadows were longer. When that didn't help, I would put up a shade to keep the sunlight off the stone while photographing it (sometimes lining people up to block out the sun). Then I would try reflecting light onto the drawing, or shoot from an angle to get some contrast. I took a lot of pictures of the same picture from different angles, and always ended up with something I could use. Though a polaroid camera does not use black and white film, it can come in handy, because it can give the photographer some sort of idea how the other pictures will come out. As to cleaning the stones. The most I would ever use was canned air (like photographers use to clean their lenses) to dust the drawings off. As an archaeologist, I would never chalk a drawing. I would never even use water on them, why should I help the erosion process? Rubbings, in my opinion, are just as damaging as chalking, washing, etc. unless the stone is very stable and the rubbing is done very lightly. As I said, just my two cents. Recently, in Denmark, I tried to photograph my ancestors' headstones, and wasn't very successful. My excuse is that it had been a lot of years since doing anything like that. Also, I wasn't used to dealing with the reflection from snow on the ground and didn't have black and white film with me, either. I do have a good excuse for not being prepared. I had expected to find only official records of my ancestors in Denmark, if that. But, not only did I find plenty of records, a distant relative who had already done work on my direct line and showed me where they had lived and died, and second cousins who also showed me where the bodies were buried. =/:-) Carole

Gang, I've received two error messages in the last two days from somebody named Virginia who is trying to contact a Jan Breedlove. If you are that Jan Breedlove, please contact this person at the address below and inform her that your contact address is not the distribution address for this mailing list. This person named Virginia is not a subscriber, so her notes are dropping into my error bin. Thanks for your help! Apologies to all the people this does not apply to. Tom [listowner, BREEDLOVE-L] --[ FORWARDED PRIVATE MESSAGE ]-------- To: VSVE92A From: Ben Regon <ginhart@telapex.com> Subject: PERRYVILLE CEMETERY AND E-MAIL ADDRESS Date: 10/28/98 10:17 AM <text deleted>

Author: VCrawf@aol.com at mime Date: 10/3/98 8:32 AM Listers on the Cook county Illinois (Chicago) list have recently been trading tips on making the most of quick trips to genealogical destinations. Everyone wants to visit his or her ancestors' resting places for information - but copying inscriptions can be madly time-consuming - and it is a challenge to take photographs that capture readable text. Of course, no one wants to damage the stones. This led to detailed discussions on method. After much backing and forthing on this issue, a lister sent the material that appears below, and for the good of the order I am forwarding it, with thanks to the listers who sent it in and to the Internet Genie Society for the information itself. I hope some of you will find this useful. Regards to all - Ginny Crawford on the Monterey Peninsula in California (VCrawf@aol.com) Subj: Gravestone Care 101 Date: 10/3/98 8:44:54 AM Central Daylight Time From: Czaplewska@aol.com To: COOK-CO-IL-L@rootsweb.com I found this in regards to the dicussions on "to rub or not to rub" gravestones....answered most of my questions! Anne >From "The SIGNAL" Newsletter of The United States Internet Genealogical Society (October 1, 1998) at http://www.usigs.org/signal/98-10-1.htm#stones --John Tombstone Inscriptions Revisited To cream or not to cream, That is the question. Whether 'tis nobler to be environmentally safe Or to slather shaving cream on tombstones Or to choose some other method -- To cream, to read, Aye, there's the rub -- But is the rub better? Or is snapping a photo or a video, bouncing light, washing with a specially prepared solution? The whole purpose is to read the inscription and to transcribe it for future generations in a graveyard that fast is coming under the heels of vandals, of bulldozers, and of an acidic atmosphere that is eating up the stones of time. After one writer-genealogist outlined what he considered his tried and true methods of deciphering epitaphs in a recent issue of The Signal (see What do flour, shaving cream, tracing paper, and chalk have in common?), the editors were inundated under a flow of protests, suggestions, questions. Genealogy mail lists across Cyberspace pounced on the thread, and the stream of suggestions became a tidal wave of advice. In only one respect was there agreement -- on the necessity of recording these epitaphs in a secure place now before even more vandals, bulldozers, acid rain, and time obliterate the fading, chalking letters beyond redemption. Over and over readers offered that refrain - Whatever we do, let us do it now, soon! Keep the tombstones intact so long as possible, but don't let them disintegrate. Even hastening the demise is better than letting an old tombstone just die away out in a lonely pasture somewhere. Having offered that little tidbit of encouragement, however, we hasten to look at what may be both environmentally safe, as well as effective in obtaining vital records for the family root searcher. [On cemetery visits, a hand-held recorder of some sort is essential for quick capture of information about the stone, its location, its condition, its neighbors, its inscription, etc. Unless you have a recorder, you will have to write all this in your notebooks, as see below.] What to use on the inscriptions: Spraying shaving cream on the faint lettering long has been a method of choice, but many shudder at its continued use. The white foam will make the letters stand out, but chemicals in the foam are bad for the stone itself, say many. Not so, counters one correspondent who claim shaving cream has had a bad rap. Everything is either acidic or caustic, he points out, and one is as bad for the stone as the other. He claims to have checked with five manufacturers of tombstones and all say shaving cream will not hurt the tombstone if the stone is washed down afterwards. One suggested using dishwashing soap and a soft brush to wash the stone. Another suggested using a weak vinegar solution (an acid) or a bleach (a caustic) to kill the moss which may be encrusting the stone. This correspondent says he takes a two gallon container of water with a spray attachment with him and "It works well." I checked with the management of a large, privately owned cemetery and mortuary in my area, and he seconded these recommendations. "We do not object to shaving cream on our old stones if you want to wash them afterwards," he said. Besides taking plenty of fresh, cool water and a light brush to the cemetery, other readers suggested taking along everything from aluminium reflectors, cameras, cardboard, chalk, rubbing paper, mirrors, flashlights, tape recorders, notebooks, bug spray, chigger repellent, lunch -- in short, virtually everything but a dead cat at midnight! And one person made a point of suggesting a night-time visit as the best time to read the inscription with the aid of a flashlight, utilizing the contrast of light and shadow. "Be sure and clue in the local police," he cautioned. "You don't want to be taken as vandals!" E-mail, advice from the local mortuary, a listing of DOs and DON'Ts from the Association of Gravestone Studies and other sources have been compiled for further consideration. Picture taking, with or without a chemical bath, was among most popular suggestions. Spritzing with water first may help. Those who shudder at using shaving cream, dishwashing soap, vinegar, or bleach may use a little plain water to wash the stone. With a good lens, either a camera or camcorder does fine. Black and white film, which offers better contrast, may be preferable -- if you have access to a darkroom which will develop B&W these days. Using a mirror to position the light or to flash across the tombstone may be invaluable, suggested one reader, who says he never visits a cemetery without a mirror in his pocket. Aluminum foil, a large piece of white cardboard, or even a white notebook page can be used as a reflector to make the letters stand out. Taking care to direct the light source, either by sunlight or by reflectors, will make the letters stand out more. Light relected from an angle provides better relief and contrast than a head-on shot may. You may want to try both ways. A tape recorder is also handy for note taking, describing the grave itself, its position in the cemetery and nearby burial sites. Lacking a recorder, the researcher will want to make copious notes in his binder, leaving nothing to memory. Rubbing is a centuries-old method of preserving inscriptions along with the original lettering and other decoration on the tomb. Long before photography, family rooters were out rubbing, rubbing, rubbing. It has been turned into a fine art with many rubbings suggested as 'suitable for framing.' Rubbing in the field, however, offers different challenges from using black art paper and golden chalk in a place like Westminster Abbey. For one thing, the rubber does not want to use his bare hands on the tomb, warns one reader. "The mold and other things that grow on the stones will give you a rush you will remember long afterwards. It is not funny if you itch like crazy for a few days," he says. Rubbing may harm the stone in other ways, also. In order to make deep impression on the paper, the researcher may have to get into an awkward crouch position and push against an upright stone, which can cause it to tumble over. Even if the stone is a flat one in the ground, force of rubbing may crumble off the already deteriorating letters. Only infra-red was not suggested as a method of preserving. Probably that is only because at present it is inconvenient to carry an infra-red producing light source to the cemetery. Once a portable machine is practicable, watch out! Is there no way, then, to read the tombstone and not send it to its own grave faster? "Chalk the surface," says one reader. "Brush a little mud on," says another. "Splash with water," came other replies, over and over. We finally came up with this list below from the Association of Gravestone Studies http://www.berkshire.net/ags/ -or- http://www.oklahoma.net/caretom.txt Cleaning Stones Procedures to Avoid Avoid acidic cleaners on marble or limestone. Avoid sandblasting gravestones. Avoid high-pressure spraying. Do not attempt to clean any stone that is unstable. Do not attempt to clean stones without first receiving proper direction. Never use wire brushes or any metal instrument in cleaning stone. Do not substitute household cleaners for those listed here. Do not clean stones often. Even the most carefully cleaned stone loses stone particles with each cleaning. Do not plan to clean stones more often than once every several years, or longer. Avoid treating stones with "protective" coatings that are impermeable to water vapor. Tools for Stone Cleaning Plastic pails Goggles Rubber gloves Tampico (natural bristle) or plastic scrub brushes Toothbrushes Smooth wooden sticks such as ice-cream sticks or tongue depressors Q-tips Spray bottles Water source DOs and DON'Ts of Stone Rubbing 1.Remember -- reverence! No running or jumping on stones or in their vicinity. 2.Always supervise children, and consider not bringing children under 12 into the cemetery while you work. Some cemeteries forbid any children under the age of 10 from rubbing stones regardless of supervision. 3.Limit gravestone rubbing to sound stones only. Before proceeding, check each stone for stability. Do not work with any stone that appears fragile or unsound. 4.Limit the cleaning of a stone to dusting with a soft-bristled brush. Do not attempt to remove lichens or moss that may be growing on stones. Never use a wire brush on gravestones. 5.Use a heavy grade paper or pellon so ink does not bleed through onto the stone. 6.Cover the image amply with paper to avoid overrubbing onto the stone. Do not make any marks on the stone. 7.Attach paper with masking tape to the back of the stone. Be sure to remove all bits of tape from the stone and nearby ground before leaving. 8.Avoid rubbing deeply-carved stones. Such stones can be easily damaged and generally do not make good rubbings anyway. 9.Avoid rubbing marble or other stones with course-grained textures, as coloring agents may bleed through the paper onto the stones. 10.The best choice of stones for rubbing are slate stones in good condition with low-relief or incised carvings. These produce the best images on paper and are less easily damaged inadvertently. 11.Check the work site before leaving to be sure no tape, paper, or trash has been left behind. But whichever way you finally choose, please do this. Be careful, inscribe carefully, and preserve the notes you take. The tombstone you read today may not be there tomorrow, or next year, or in the next century. Their days may be numbered with ever-increasing speed. by Joan Rose- JRose10700@aol.com --Boundary_(ID_5wQVh5XNe7oiTy1w8J98PA) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT RFC-822-headers: Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mail.hac.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #26580) id <0F0900G01CX4ZG@mail.hac.com> for "debra l elliott"@mime.mail.hac.com; Sat, 3 Oct 1998 08:41:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from PROCESS-DAEMON by mail.hac.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #26580) id <0F0900G01CX3ZF@mail.hac.com> for "debra l elliott"@mime.mail.hac.com; Sat, 03 Oct 1998 08:41:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fw-tu05.hac.com by mail.hac.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #26580) with ESMTP id <0F09009GICX204@mail.hac.com> for "debra l elliott"@mime.mail.hac.com; Sat, 03 Oct 1998 08:41:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtiwgwc01.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.16]) by fw-tu05.hac.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id IAA22856 for <dlelliott@west.raytheon.com>; Sat, 03 Oct 1998 08:42:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from fp-1.rootsweb.com ([207.113.233.233]) by mtiwgwc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with ESMTP id <19981003154208.VHQI19406@fp-1.rootsweb.com>; Sat, 03 Oct 1998 15:42:08 +0000 Received: (from slist@localhost) by fp-1.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA14520; Sat, 03 Oct 1998 08:31:15 -0700 (PDT) Resent-date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 08:31:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 11:32:58 -0400 (EDT) Resent-from: GenConnecticut-L@rootsweb.com From: VCrawf@aol.com Subject: [GenConnecticut-L] Gravestone inscriptions Resent-sender: GenConnecticut-L-request@rootsweb.com Resent-message-id: <"e3UU8B.A.YiD.BNkF2"@fp-1.rootsweb.com> Message-id: <81bf179c.361643aa@aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: list Old-To: GENCONNECTICUT-L@rootsweb.com, HUNT-L@rootsweb.com, SWITZERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Old-Cc: OXFORDSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <GenConnecticut-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/1455 X-Loop: GenConnecticut-L@rootsweb.com --Boundary_(ID_5wQVh5XNe7oiTy1w8J98PA)-- --------- End forwarded message ---------- ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. 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The Act which authorized the issuance of marriage licenses or bonds in North Carolina was passed in 1741 and it remained the law until 1868, when the present form of marrige license was authorized. A second form of marriage allowed in North Carolina by the 1741 law was a marriage by "banns", for which no records were kept. Since marriage by "bann" was more convient and less expensive, it is probable that most of the marriages took place by that method, which lessens the chance of finding records which may have been preserved. Carol Pridgen Martoccia 903 East Fifth St. Greenville, NC 27858 PRIDGEN Homepage : http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/6297 PRIDGEN Archives: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl List manager for the Pridgen Family and for Wilson County, NC (NCWilson) --------- End forwarded message ---------- ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Have not had a posting from Breedlove-L since Oct. 18th. are you all asleep or just busy researching? Hope I didn''t somehow get dropped from the list.; Happy Halloween to all. Beth

Hi-Just thought this was interesting. My husband while reading the paper this am - said do you know who is the Chief of Police of Monterey, Tennessee--the answer was Bruce Breedlove. Havent checked the county yet. A lot of the Breedlove's were military people also. Hope Perry Breedlove was retired military and cant remember at the moment what his rank was when he retired, Major? Colonel? Ellen Byrne, dande@mail.tds.net

Hi-One of the Breedlove researchers asked about Giles/Jiles Breedlove who lived in Laclede Co Mo. I know he was related to Warren J. Breedlove who was from Ky and married Eliz (Betty) Breedlove dau of Thomas and Cinderilla Breedlove Lowery. Tradition was that several of the Breedlove's to Mo from Ky but lost track of each other...I dont seem to know who were the parents of Warren J. Breedlove..Does anyone out there know? Tom King, Marilyn, Patty Rich? He must have descended from William or Martin Breedlove? And Tom how do we know that the Martin Breedlove who died about 1840 in Camden Co Mo was the son of Martin? If he was-who was the Broadus Breedlove, a generation older who was living in the same county? Ellen, dande@mail.tds.net

The topics schedule for the next two weeks has been rearranged. Please make a note of the changes so you don't miss the ones that you want to be sure to attend. > > >Oct. 20 Tuesday Confederate Soldiers > >Oct. 23 Friday New York Ancestry > >Oct. 27 Tuesday The Carolinas > >Oct. 30 Friday English Ancestry > >Nov. 4 Wednesday Ships to the U.S. > > > >For those of you (too many) who have not been on Afternet lately OR visited the webpage: > > Afternet now has FIVE General Genealogy Channels!!!! > > #genealogie: For French Quebec genealogists > #Genealogy-Native: Hosted by our own Cheyanne and specializes in Native American genealogy. > #OntarioGenWeb: Hosted by the Hosts of the Ontario GenWeb sites of which our OWN Robinator is one! > #Gen-Community: The Meeting Place for Classes and Channel Op discussions. > AND, of course, #GenealogyForum!!! > > Afternet also has SEVEN Family Surname Genealogy Channels!!!! > > #HudFam: Hosted by rogerj for researchers working on the surname Hudnall. Thursdays, 9:30PM Eastern Time. > #Gen-Adams.....Hosted by Grandmary on Thursdays 7:00PM Eastern Time. > #Gen-Etheridge.Hosted by Belle on Wednesdays 9 PM Eastern Time. > #Gen-Gray......Hosted by JustMe2 on Thursdays 7:00PM Eastern Time. > #Gen-McCabe....Hosted by Conway on Thursdays 8:30 PM Eastern Time. > #Gen-Stillwell Hosted by gouger on Thursdays at 7:30PM Eastern Time. > #Gen-Wilson....Hosted temporarily by tex^mom on Thursdays at 9pm Eastern. (Anyone interested it Hosting this channel?) > >We would love to help you start your own surname channel! Come see us! > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/9101/ From #GenealogyForum IRC Channel on Afternet: http://www.rare.on.ca/users/genealogyforum/index.htm Contains Surnames of Channel Visitors

Dear Tom, Judith Allaman did not have any siblings old enough to have married into the Young [or Covington] families. Her father, Thomas Allaman, did have a son & daughter by a second wife, but they weren't born until about the time that Philip Parr died. But you are correct, by extension, "brother-in-law" could include those relationships you mentioned. Marilyn

Marilyn A. Owen wrote: > Philip Parr called Richard Covington his "brother-in-law in his will. That designation had three meanings in those times, the first two of which we still use today. > 1. My wife's brother > 2. My sister's husband > 3. My step-brother Marilyn, you are forgetting a fourth possibility, that of my wife's brother-in-law. It is possible that Judith Alleman, wife of Phillip Parr , had a sister who married Richard Covington as his first wife before he married Ann Young. An even further possibility is that of brother-in-law of my wife's brothers, that is, a brother of one of the wives of Judith Alleman's brothers (or step-brothers as the case really is). Judith is assumed to be the only child of Thomas Alleman and Judith ???, but there are three sons known to a second unknown wife. Hope this doesn't confuse things even more than they already are! Tom

>Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:07:15 -0700 (PDT) >From: VSVE92A@prodigy.com (MR THOMAS S JONES) >Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:07:16, -0500 >Old-To: breedlove-l@rootsweb.com >Subject: [BREEDLOVE-L] Richard COVINGTON >Resent-Message-ID: <"tBPMBD.A.2eB.y4oJ2"@bl-14.rootsweb.com> >To: BREEDLOVE-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-From: BREEDLOVE-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailing-List: <BREEDLOVE-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/603 >X-Loop: BREEDLOVE-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-Sender: BREEDLOVE-L-request@rootsweb.com > >Gang, > >I received this message below. Can anybody who has done research on the >Parrs (Charles Breedlove of Essex Co. married Mary Parr) identify this >Richard Covington and the Parr whom he (apparently) married? After the >forwarded e-mail below follows the entry that she is probably referring to >-- it was from Olive Breedlove Smith and it's posted on my website. > >Thanks! > >Tom > > >--[ FORWARDED PRIVATE MESSAGE ]-------- > > To: VSVE92A > From: STOLERU@aol.com >Subject: RE: RICHARD COVINGTON > Date: 10/14/98 09:53 PM > >Hello, I found your site during an FTM search for my >7th.gr.grandfather,Richard COVINGTON.Your info has him listed as a >bro-in-law >of Phillip PARR,per Phillip's will of 30 Dec 1699. Have you possibly found >a >name for the sister of Phillip who married Richard,or was the term brother >in >law used in another context in this will? I have Ann YOUNG listed as wife >of >my Richard. That info found on the I G I ,so I am not sure if it is >correct. I >would greatly appreciate hearing from you with any info you care to share. >Looking forward to hearing from you. Regards,Sherill STOLERU@aol.com > ----[From Tom's website]-------- > >10 Jun3 1701 Will of Phillip Parr, dated 30 Dec 1699 Essex Co., VA to eldest >dau Judith Parr lands in Middlesex formerly given to her by her grandfather >Thomas Allaman. >to dau Mary Parr my ____ plantation >to dau Constance Parr and to wife Judith Parr all the rest of my land. >exec Father in Law Thomas Allaman, brother in law Richard Covington. Dear Tom et al, Yes, I think I can help. In the past I've done extensive research on William Breedlove's father-in-law, Philip PARR & family, although I haven't looked at this material for awhile, and I'm a bit rusty. ALL descendants of William and Mary Parr Breedlove, also descend from Philip Parr & his wife, Judith Allaman. Philip Parr called Richard Covington his "brother-in-law in his will. That designation had three meanings in those times, the first two of which we still use today. 1. My wife's brother 2. My sister's husband 3. My step-brother I belive that Richard was related to Philip by the #2 meaning of the term. We know that Richard Covington married Ann Young, daughter of William Young. I belive that William Young had married Philip Parr's mother, and that Ann Young was Philip Parr's half sister. I'd be glad to go deeper into these relationships with anyone who is interested, but it will take me awhile to dig out the records, which I haven't computerized as yet. Marilyn Owen

Gang, I received this message below. Can anybody who has done research on the Parrs (Charles Breedlove of Essex Co. married Mary Parr) identify this Richard Covington and the Parr whom he (apparently) married? After the forwarded e-mail below follows the entry that she is probably referring to -- it was from Olive Breedlove Smith and it's posted on my website. Thanks! Tom --[ FORWARDED PRIVATE MESSAGE ]-------- To: VSVE92A From: STOLERU@aol.com Subject: RE: RICHARD COVINGTON Date: 10/14/98 09:53 PM Hello, I found your site during an FTM search for my 7th.gr.grandfather,Richard COVINGTON.Your info has him listed as a bro-in-law of Phillip PARR,per Phillip's will of 30 Dec 1699. Have you possibly found a name for the sister of Phillip who married Richard,or was the term brother in law used in another context in this will? I have Ann YOUNG listed as wife of my Richard. That info found on the I G I ,so I am not sure if it is correct. I would greatly appreciate hearing from you with any info you care to share. Looking forward to hearing from you. Regards,Sherill STOLERU@aol.com ----[From Tom's website]-------- 10 Jun3 1701 Will of Phillip Parr, dated 30 Dec 1699 Essex Co., VA to eldest dau Judith Parr lands in Middlesex formerly given to her by her grandfather Thomas Allaman. to dau Mary Parr my ____ plantation to dau Constance Parr and to wife Judith Parr all the rest of my land. exec Father in Law Thomas Allaman, brother in law Richard Covington.

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Hi-especially to Marilyn Owen and Tom King. I had a surprise today. The phone rang and it was Kay Breedlove Parnell who said she was 8 miles away and would like to visit. We had a nice visit with she and her husband. I reminded her that when I started genealogy about 1965 or so her mother helped me a great deal on the Breedlove line. Years later Kay wrote me a letter-saying she had seen one of my queries some place and thought I must be dead because I had corresponded with her Mother. Anyway think she still wasnt certain if Sarah Broadus was wife of thomas Breedlove Sr or Jr. It is always fun to meet someone for the first time that you have corresponded with. That has happened to me a few times. Later. Ellen, dande@mail.tds.net

Frieda said: >Hey I like this one I am looking for a Nancy (Breeding) Breedlove b. abt >1830 in that area. Married John Gilmore Amerson in 1856 or 57. Had two >little Boys on the 1860 Census John Breedlove Amerson and Benjamin Gilmore >Amerson. I know what happen to young John and Benjamin after 1865 but do not >know what happened to parents. I do not know much more about this Nancy in the William Breedlove,Sr estate settlement. She and Ransom separately signed for their respective payments in Oct 1871 at the settlement level of grandchildren. Bill

Tom, The listings for the "William Broadlofe" on the Roane Co, TN 1830 census are of interest to me because of David G. Scroggins also there, presumably with wife Patsy Breedlove and son Simpson Breedlove from Lawrence Co, AL. Spencer Breedlove who is married by 1840 census is also there. The "William Broadlofe" listing does not fit exactly with the William Sr estate settlement, deceased 1858, but consider: 2M(0-5) James and Columbus M(5-10) William (fit is a little stretch) M(20-30) Spencer? M(40-50) William Sr 2F(5-10) Penelope & another Breedlove daughter (unmarried? to account for Charles, Ransom, and Nancy Breedlove?) F(30-40) Amy F(60-70) Amy's mother? What do you think? Bill Breedlove

Gang, The robust discussion between Tom King and Bill is a blessing, even though the intensity might not suit some people. It's a reflection of the dedication of both of these gentlemen to their work. The tone of it is well within my guidelines. One thing I don't want to see, though, is a discussion developing about the discussion -- these I'd rather be done off-list (to me personally). In the spirit of this I'm going to cut this note short! Tom [listowner, BREEDLOVE-L]