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    1. [BRAZELTON] T. Terry Brazelton
    2. Jim Jackson
    3. Anyone related to Dr. Terry Brazelton? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._Berry_Brazelton JIm

    02/12/2020 10:45:07
    1. [BRAZELTON] New Group at Groups.io
    2. Jim Jackson
    3. This is just a reminder that, if you have not already joined, we would love to see you come aboard. The easy way - go to brazelton@groups.io and click "Join the group". You may also send an email to Brazelton+subscribe@groups.io. Best wishes, Jim

    02/01/2020 12:56:59
    1. [BRAZELTON] Re: Group Invite
    2. Glenn Brazelton
    3. Yes, thanks Jim. Regards, Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Jim Jackson [mailto:ancestrynut@charter.net] Sent: Friday, January 17, 2020 6:52 AM To: brazelton@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRAZELTON] Group Invite Did the invitation to the Groups.io group arrive OK? Jim _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/brazelton@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    01/17/2020 06:21:08
    1. [BRAZELTON] Group Invite
    2. Jim Jackson
    3. Did the invitation to the Groups.io group arrive OK? Jim

    01/17/2020 04:52:05
    1. [BRAZELTON] Re: Notice about Rootsweb Lists
    2. Sue D
    3. I am interested in whatever needs to be done to keep this group ACTIVE. My Rachel Brazelton is likely a daughter of Sarah Brazelton who was unmarried. No one lists my Sarah in their Brazelton tree but the DNA is definitely there to place her inside a family unit with a set of parents. Sue -----Original Message----- From: Jim Jackson Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 9:45 AM To: brazelton@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRAZELTON] Re: Notice about Rootsweb Lists Is there interest here in migrating go groups.io? Please let us know. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Sue D [mailto:sodixey@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 5:01 AM To: brazelton@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRAZELTON] Re: Notice about Rootsweb Lists I would love to know what the plans are if any as an I do use these mailing lists. What opens do we have? Sue _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/brazelton@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    01/13/2020 10:31:01
    1. [BRAZELTON] Re: Notice about Rootsweb Lists
    2. Glenn Brazelton
    3. Jim Not really familiar with Google Groups but willing to try it if other interested. Thanks Glenn Brazelton -----Original Message----- From: Jim Jackson [mailto:ancestrynut@charter.net] Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 10:46 AM To: brazelton@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRAZELTON] Re: Notice about Rootsweb Lists Is there interest here in migrating go groups.io? Please let us know. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Sue D [mailto:sodixey@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 5:01 AM To: brazelton@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRAZELTON] Re: Notice about Rootsweb Lists I would love to know what the plans are if any as an I do use these mailing lists. What opens do we have? Sue _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/brazelton@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    01/13/2020 09:42:42
    1. [BRAZELTON] Re: Notice about Rootsweb Lists
    2. Jim Jackson
    3. Is there interest here in migrating go groups.io? Please let us know. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Sue D [mailto:sodixey@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 5:01 AM To: brazelton@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRAZELTON] Re: Notice about Rootsweb Lists I would love to know what the plans are if any as an I do use these mailing lists. What opens do we have? Sue

    01/13/2020 08:45:53
    1. [BRAZELTON] Re: Notice about Rootsweb Lists
    2. ann
    3. -----Original Message----- From: ann via BRAZELTON <brazelton@rootsweb.com> To: brazelton <brazelton@rootsweb.com> Cc: ann <herhiness2@aol.com> Sent: Mon, Jan 13, 2020 7:10 am Subject: [BRAZELTON] Re: Notice about Rootsweb Lists I have no idea, sorry I can't help you out. ann -----Original Message----- From: Sue D <sodixey@hotmail.com> To: brazelton@rootsweb.com <brazelton@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 12, 2020 4:01 am Subject: [BRAZELTON] Re: Notice about Rootsweb Lists I would love to know what the plans are if any as an I do use these mailing lists.  What opens do we have? Sue -----Original Message----- From: Jim Jackson Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 5:53 AM To: brazelton@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRAZELTON] Notice about Rootsweb Lists This has been received from the Rootsweb administration: Beginning March 2nd, 2020 the Mailing Lists functionality on RootsWeb will be discontinued. Users will no longer be able to send outgoing emails or accept incoming emails.  Additionally, administration tools will no longer be available to list administrators and mailing lists will be put into an archival state. Administrators may save the emails in their list prior to March 2nd. After that, mailing list archives will remain available and searchable on RootsWeb. As an alternative to RootsWeb Mailing Lists, Ancestry message boards are a great option to network with others in the genealogy community. Message boards are available for free with an Ancestry registered account. Thank you for being part of the RootsWeb family and contributing to this community. Sincerely, The RootsWeb team If anyone has an interest in finding alternative communication possibilities and/or suggestions for alternatives, please send a note to the list to that effect ASAP. With heavy hearts, Jim and Di _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/brazelton@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/brazelton@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/brazelton@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    01/13/2020 06:13:38
    1. [BRAZELTON] Re: Notice about Rootsweb Lists
    2. ann
    3. I have no idea, sorry I can't help you out. ann -----Original Message----- From: Sue D <sodixey@hotmail.com> To: brazelton@rootsweb.com <brazelton@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, Jan 12, 2020 4:01 am Subject: [BRAZELTON] Re: Notice about Rootsweb Lists I would love to know what the plans are if any as an I do use these mailing lists.  What opens do we have? Sue -----Original Message----- From: Jim Jackson Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 5:53 AM To: brazelton@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRAZELTON] Notice about Rootsweb Lists This has been received from the Rootsweb administration: Beginning March 2nd, 2020 the Mailing Lists functionality on RootsWeb will be discontinued. Users will no longer be able to send outgoing emails or accept incoming emails.  Additionally, administration tools will no longer be available to list administrators and mailing lists will be put into an archival state. Administrators may save the emails in their list prior to March 2nd. After that, mailing list archives will remain available and searchable on RootsWeb. As an alternative to RootsWeb Mailing Lists, Ancestry message boards are a great option to network with others in the genealogy community. Message boards are available for free with an Ancestry registered account. Thank you for being part of the RootsWeb family and contributing to this community. Sincerely, The RootsWeb team If anyone has an interest in finding alternative communication possibilities and/or suggestions for alternatives, please send a note to the list to that effect ASAP. With heavy hearts, Jim and Di _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/brazelton@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/brazelton@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    01/13/2020 06:07:23
    1. [BRAZELTON] Re: Notice about Rootsweb Lists
    2. Sue D
    3. I would love to know what the plans are if any as an I do use these mailing lists. What opens do we have? Sue -----Original Message----- From: Jim Jackson Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 5:53 AM To: brazelton@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRAZELTON] Notice about Rootsweb Lists This has been received from the Rootsweb administration: Beginning March 2nd, 2020 the Mailing Lists functionality on RootsWeb will be discontinued. Users will no longer be able to send outgoing emails or accept incoming emails. Additionally, administration tools will no longer be available to list administrators and mailing lists will be put into an archival state. Administrators may save the emails in their list prior to March 2nd. After that, mailing list archives will remain available and searchable on RootsWeb. As an alternative to RootsWeb Mailing Lists, Ancestry message boards are a great option to network with others in the genealogy community. Message boards are available for free with an Ancestry registered account. Thank you for being part of the RootsWeb family and contributing to this community. Sincerely, The RootsWeb team If anyone has an interest in finding alternative communication possibilities and/or suggestions for alternatives, please send a note to the list to that effect ASAP. With heavy hearts, Jim and Di _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/brazelton@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    01/12/2020 03:00:53
    1. [BRAZELTON] Notice about Rootsweb Lists
    2. Jim Jackson
    3. This has been received from the Rootsweb administration: Beginning March 2nd, 2020 the Mailing Lists functionality on RootsWeb will be discontinued. Users will no longer be able to send outgoing emails or accept incoming emails. Additionally, administration tools will no longer be available to list administrators and mailing lists will be put into an archival state. Administrators may save the emails in their list prior to March 2nd. After that, mailing list archives will remain available and searchable on RootsWeb. As an alternative to RootsWeb Mailing Lists, Ancestry message boards are a great option to network with others in the genealogy community. Message boards are available for free with an Ancestry registered account. Thank you for being part of the RootsWeb family and contributing to this community. Sincerely, The RootsWeb team If anyone has an interest in finding alternative communication possibilities and/or suggestions for alternatives, please send a note to the list to that effect ASAP. With heavy hearts, Jim and Di

    01/11/2020 04:53:34
    1. [BRAZELTON] Re: John Brazelton who married Sarah Justice
    2. William Lindsey
    3. Thanks, Glenn. Hope you are enjoying your travels, too. I had thought I was replying directly to Sue, and apologize for sending that conversation to the whole mailing list. William D. Lindsey On Thursday, August 8, 2019, 10:18:24 AM CDT, Glenn's Email <gbraze@cox.net> wrote: No real new clues, but there is another tool that Sue showed me that helps analyze larger amounts of DNA data.  I just need to figure out how to move my Y-67 DNA into that tool. Cheers Glenn Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 8, 2019, at 3:54 PM, William Lindsey <wdlindsy@swbell.net> wrote: > > Interesting, Sue. I wonder if Glenn has found some new DNA clues. > William D. Lindsey > > >    On Wednesday, August 7, 2019, 2:10:45 PM CDT, Glenn's Email <gbraze@cox.net> wrote:  > > Sue > When I get back from Sweden circa 17 August I need to call you.  I have FTDNA data that I need to figure out how to move to GEN??? > Will explain when I get home. > Regards > Glenn > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 7, 2019, at 4:40 PM, Sue D <sodixey@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> Starting out with a fresh post.  To make a very long story short between family diaries, family tree building, marriage and census records and with solid DNA analysis, I have been able to create how I fit into a Brazelton Family who would descend from John Brazelton the immigrant. With the recent activity on this list, I don’t know if my pedigree got lost.  I am reaching out in hopes of finding others who descend from this specific couple. >> >> My Rachel Brazelton b. abt. 1797 was conceived by a son of John Brazelton and Sarah Justice.  They had from all accounts at least 5 daughters and one son John, who married Sarah Bradley.  That part of the research is solid. >> >> Depending on the tree that you look at some report an Edward William and a William as additional sons.  Edward William b. abt 1770 seems to have a wife Theresa whom he married in 1825 but I  find no children of their union.  Since he did not die until later I ruled him out as a husband of Sarah since Sarah is supposed to be a young widow after the death of her husband. >> >> A William is listed and there is no further info as to whom he might have married, where he moved to, nor died.  There are no further details about him, so I call him my best potential subject.  There is a William with same YOB who descends from another Brazelton line and some trees attach a death record for him in 1810, so I don’t know what is fact or fiction. >> >> The John/Sarah Bradley children are well documented.  We know the mother of Rachel is Sarah but her maiden name is not yet known.  When Sarah’s husband/father of Rachel died, Sarah then married William Ford in Guilford in Oct 1800.  We know Jonathan Armfield signed the marriage board for their marriage. William Ford signed a bond for the marriage of Jonathan Armfield.  I will have to research who he married as is he is not in my tree as I have not connected the Armfield’s via DNA. >> >> Lastly MY William Ford was the bondsman for the marriage of Margaret Brazelton who married Maskill/Maskell Jester.  Margaret is a daughter of the couple in my pedigree John Brazelton and Sarah Justice.  This connects the Brazeltons in a 2nd way to William Ford, husband of Sarah and stepfather to my Rachel.  Rachel married William Viser. >> >> If you have DNA tested, especially at Ancestry, if you have a match to ANYONE in their tree with the name Viser then we are likely related even though you have yet to build your tree that far.  All known Visers nowdays descend from our Andrew Viser the Immigrant from France.  You enter the name Viser when you pull up your matches and hit the green search button.  If you have none, than likely perhaps not, but if you have at least it is something worth exploring.  I have solid DNA matches some of those who seem to descend from John B the Immigrant. >> >> My email address is sodixey@hotmail.com<mailto:sodixey@hotmail.com>.  I respond to all inquires I can. >> >> Sye >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/brazelton@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/brazelton@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/brazelton@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/brazelton@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    08/08/2019 10:11:51
    1. [BRAZELTON] Re: John Brazelton who married Sarah Justice
    2. Glenn's Email
    3. No real new clues, but there is another tool that Sue showed me that helps analyze larger amounts of DNA data. I just need to figure out how to move my Y-67 DNA into that tool. Cheers Glenn Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 8, 2019, at 3:54 PM, William Lindsey <wdlindsy@swbell.net> wrote: > > Interesting, Sue. I wonder if Glenn has found some new DNA clues. > William D. Lindsey > > > On Wednesday, August 7, 2019, 2:10:45 PM CDT, Glenn's Email <gbraze@cox.net> wrote: > > Sue > When I get back from Sweden circa 17 August I need to call you. I have FTDNA data that I need to figure out how to move to GEN??? > Will explain when I get home. > Regards > Glenn > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 7, 2019, at 4:40 PM, Sue D <sodixey@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> Starting out with a fresh post. To make a very long story short between family diaries, family tree building, marriage and census records and with solid DNA analysis, I have been able to create how I fit into a Brazelton Family who would descend from John Brazelton the immigrant. With the recent activity on this list, I don’t know if my pedigree got lost. I am reaching out in hopes of finding others who descend from this specific couple. >> >> My Rachel Brazelton b. abt. 1797 was conceived by a son of John Brazelton and Sarah Justice. They had from all accounts at least 5 daughters and one son John, who married Sarah Bradley. That part of the research is solid. >> >> Depending on the tree that you look at some report an Edward William and a William as additional sons. Edward William b. abt 1770 seems to have a wife Theresa whom he married in 1825 but I find no children of their union. Since he did not die until later I ruled him out as a husband of Sarah since Sarah is supposed to be a young widow after the death of her husband. >> >> A William is listed and there is no further info as to whom he might have married, where he moved to, nor died. There are no further details about him, so I call him my best potential subject. There is a William with same YOB who descends from another Brazelton line and some trees attach a death record for him in 1810, so I don’t know what is fact or fiction. >> >> The John/Sarah Bradley children are well documented. We know the mother of Rachel is Sarah but her maiden name is not yet known. When Sarah’s husband/father of Rachel died, Sarah then married William Ford in Guilford in Oct 1800. We know Jonathan Armfield signed the marriage board for their marriage. William Ford signed a bond for the marriage of Jonathan Armfield. I will have to research who he married as is he is not in my tree as I have not connected the Armfield’s via DNA. >> >> Lastly MY William Ford was the bondsman for the marriage of Margaret Brazelton who married Maskill/Maskell Jester. Margaret is a daughter of the couple in my pedigree John Brazelton and Sarah Justice. This connects the Brazeltons in a 2nd way to William Ford, husband of Sarah and stepfather to my Rachel. Rachel married William Viser. >> >> If you have DNA tested, especially at Ancestry, if you have a match to ANYONE in their tree with the name Viser then we are likely related even though you have yet to build your tree that far. All known Visers nowdays descend from our Andrew Viser the Immigrant from France. You enter the name Viser when you pull up your matches and hit the green search button. If you have none, than likely perhaps not, but if you have at least it is something worth exploring. I have solid DNA matches some of those who seem to descend from John B the Immigrant. >> >> My email address is sodixey@hotmail.com<mailto:sodixey@hotmail.com>. I respond to all inquires I can. >> >> Sye >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/brazelton@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/brazelton@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/brazelton@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    08/08/2019 08:51:09
    1. [BRAZELTON] Re: John Brazelton who married Sarah Justice
    2. William Lindsey
    3. Interesting, Sue. I wonder if Glenn has found some new DNA clues. William D. Lindsey On Wednesday, August 7, 2019, 2:10:45 PM CDT, Glenn's Email <gbraze@cox.net> wrote: Sue When I get back from Sweden circa 17 August I need to call you.  I have FTDNA data that I need to figure out how to move to GEN??? Will explain when I get home. Regards Glenn Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 7, 2019, at 4:40 PM, Sue D <sodixey@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hi All, > > Starting out with a fresh post.  To make a very long story short between family diaries, family tree building, marriage and census records and with solid DNA analysis, I have been able to create how I fit into a Brazelton Family who would descend from John Brazelton the immigrant. With the recent activity on this list, I don’t know if my pedigree got lost.  I am reaching out in hopes of finding others who descend from this specific couple. > > My Rachel Brazelton b. abt. 1797 was conceived by a son of John Brazelton and Sarah Justice.  They had from all accounts at least 5 daughters and one son John, who married Sarah Bradley.  That part of the research is solid. > > Depending on the tree that you look at some report an Edward William and a William as additional sons.  Edward William b. abt 1770 seems to have a wife Theresa whom he married in 1825 but I  find no children of their union.  Since he did not die until later I ruled him out as a husband of Sarah since Sarah is supposed to be a young widow after the death of her husband. > > A William is listed and there is no further info as to whom he might have married, where he moved to, nor died.  There are no further details about him, so I call him my best potential subject.  There is a William with same YOB who descends from another Brazelton line and some trees attach a death record for him in 1810, so I don’t know what is fact or fiction. > > The John/Sarah Bradley children are well documented.  We know the mother of Rachel is Sarah but her maiden name is not yet known.  When Sarah’s husband/father of Rachel died, Sarah then married William Ford in Guilford in Oct 1800.  We know Jonathan Armfield signed the marriage board for their marriage. William Ford signed a bond for the marriage of Jonathan Armfield.  I will have to research who he married as is he is not in my tree as I have not connected the Armfield’s via DNA. > > Lastly MY William Ford was the bondsman for the marriage of Margaret Brazelton who married Maskill/Maskell Jester.  Margaret is a daughter of the couple in my pedigree John Brazelton and Sarah Justice.  This connects the Brazeltons in a 2nd way to William Ford, husband of Sarah and stepfather to my Rachel.  Rachel married William Viser. > > If you have DNA tested, especially at Ancestry, if you have a match to ANYONE in their tree with the name Viser then we are likely related even though you have yet to build your tree that far.  All known Visers nowdays descend from our Andrew Viser the Immigrant from France.  You enter the name Viser when you pull up your matches and hit the green search button.  If you have none, than likely perhaps not, but if you have at least it is something worth exploring.  I have solid DNA matches some of those who seem to descend from John B the Immigrant. > > My email address is sodixey@hotmail.com<mailto:sodixey@hotmail.com>.  I respond to all inquires I can. > > Sye > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/brazelton@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/brazelton@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    08/08/2019 07:54:49
    1. [BRAZELTON] Re: John Brazelton who married Sarah Justice
    2. Glenn's Email
    3. Sue When I get back from Sweden circa 17 August I need to call you. I have FTDNA data that I need to figure out how to move to GEN??? Will explain when I get home. Regards Glenn Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 7, 2019, at 4:40 PM, Sue D <sodixey@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hi All, > > Starting out with a fresh post. To make a very long story short between family diaries, family tree building, marriage and census records and with solid DNA analysis, I have been able to create how I fit into a Brazelton Family who would descend from John Brazelton the immigrant. With the recent activity on this list, I don’t know if my pedigree got lost. I am reaching out in hopes of finding others who descend from this specific couple. > > My Rachel Brazelton b. abt. 1797 was conceived by a son of John Brazelton and Sarah Justice. They had from all accounts at least 5 daughters and one son John, who married Sarah Bradley. That part of the research is solid. > > Depending on the tree that you look at some report an Edward William and a William as additional sons. Edward William b. abt 1770 seems to have a wife Theresa whom he married in 1825 but I find no children of their union. Since he did not die until later I ruled him out as a husband of Sarah since Sarah is supposed to be a young widow after the death of her husband. > > A William is listed and there is no further info as to whom he might have married, where he moved to, nor died. There are no further details about him, so I call him my best potential subject. There is a William with same YOB who descends from another Brazelton line and some trees attach a death record for him in 1810, so I don’t know what is fact or fiction. > > The John/Sarah Bradley children are well documented. We know the mother of Rachel is Sarah but her maiden name is not yet known. When Sarah’s husband/father of Rachel died, Sarah then married William Ford in Guilford in Oct 1800. We know Jonathan Armfield signed the marriage board for their marriage. William Ford signed a bond for the marriage of Jonathan Armfield. I will have to research who he married as is he is not in my tree as I have not connected the Armfield’s via DNA. > > Lastly MY William Ford was the bondsman for the marriage of Margaret Brazelton who married Maskill/Maskell Jester. Margaret is a daughter of the couple in my pedigree John Brazelton and Sarah Justice. This connects the Brazeltons in a 2nd way to William Ford, husband of Sarah and stepfather to my Rachel. Rachel married William Viser. > > If you have DNA tested, especially at Ancestry, if you have a match to ANYONE in their tree with the name Viser then we are likely related even though you have yet to build your tree that far. All known Visers nowdays descend from our Andrew Viser the Immigrant from France. You enter the name Viser when you pull up your matches and hit the green search button. If you have none, than likely perhaps not, but if you have at least it is something worth exploring. I have solid DNA matches some of those who seem to descend from John B the Immigrant. > > My email address is sodixey@hotmail.com<mailto:sodixey@hotmail.com>. I respond to all inquires I can. > > Sye > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/brazelton@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    08/07/2019 01:07:23
    1. [BRAZELTON] John Brazelton who married Sarah Justice
    2. Sue D
    3. Hi All, Starting out with a fresh post. To make a very long story short between family diaries, family tree building, marriage and census records and with solid DNA analysis, I have been able to create how I fit into a Brazelton Family who would descend from John Brazelton the immigrant. With the recent activity on this list, I don’t know if my pedigree got lost. I am reaching out in hopes of finding others who descend from this specific couple. My Rachel Brazelton b. abt. 1797 was conceived by a son of John Brazelton and Sarah Justice. They had from all accounts at least 5 daughters and one son John, who married Sarah Bradley. That part of the research is solid. Depending on the tree that you look at some report an Edward William and a William as additional sons. Edward William b. abt 1770 seems to have a wife Theresa whom he married in 1825 but I find no children of their union. Since he did not die until later I ruled him out as a husband of Sarah since Sarah is supposed to be a young widow after the death of her husband. A William is listed and there is no further info as to whom he might have married, where he moved to, nor died. There are no further details about him, so I call him my best potential subject. There is a William with same YOB who descends from another Brazelton line and some trees attach a death record for him in 1810, so I don’t know what is fact or fiction. The John/Sarah Bradley children are well documented. We know the mother of Rachel is Sarah but her maiden name is not yet known. When Sarah’s husband/father of Rachel died, Sarah then married William Ford in Guilford in Oct 1800. We know Jonathan Armfield signed the marriage board for their marriage. William Ford signed a bond for the marriage of Jonathan Armfield. I will have to research who he married as is he is not in my tree as I have not connected the Armfield’s via DNA. Lastly MY William Ford was the bondsman for the marriage of Margaret Brazelton who married Maskill/Maskell Jester. Margaret is a daughter of the couple in my pedigree John Brazelton and Sarah Justice. This connects the Brazeltons in a 2nd way to William Ford, husband of Sarah and stepfather to my Rachel. Rachel married William Viser. If you have DNA tested, especially at Ancestry, if you have a match to ANYONE in their tree with the name Viser then we are likely related even though you have yet to build your tree that far. All known Visers nowdays descend from our Andrew Viser the Immigrant from France. You enter the name Viser when you pull up your matches and hit the green search button. If you have none, than likely perhaps not, but if you have at least it is something worth exploring. I have solid DNA matches some of those who seem to descend from John B the Immigrant. My email address is sodixey@hotmail.com<mailto:sodixey@hotmail.com>. I respond to all inquires I can. Sye

    08/07/2019 08:40:46
    1. [BRAZELTON] Question about Length of Postings to Group
    2. William Lindsey
    3. I'm unclear about who moderates this group (and apologize for being unclear), and so I'm going to address my question to the group as a whole. I apologize if I'm slighting the moderator in doing so, and will be grateful for further information from any group member about whom I should contact — or information from group members in response to my question. My question is if there are word or length limits for postings that I should be aware of. I haven't been aware of any such limits, and apologize if my postings to the group (especially the last one I sent) have been too long. My reason for asking this question is that I have had an email this afternoon stating, "Please cut out what isn’t needed post anymore as it won’t be posted as system doesn’t allow posts of more than 40GB." Because this email makes no reference to any group of context for the request — and the request itself is not clear to me — I am not absolutely certain it's a request about my last posting to this Brazelton group. I do see, in googling the email address of the person who sent the request, that she belongs to at least some Rootsweb groups, though I'm not sure she's part of this particular group. I apologize if I have posted material that's too long, due to my ignorance of restrictions about length of postings. I will certainly cut long postings into pieces, if needed — am happy to do that. I welcome any information that might help me understand all of this. William D. Lindsey

    08/04/2019 05:15:48
    1. [BRAZELTON] Notes about John Brazelton (1741-1781)
    2. William Lindsey
    3. The following are my notes for John Brazelton, son of John Brazelton, the immigrant to Frederick County, Maryland. Note that they often cite notes I have filed in other files. I will gladly share any and all of my information on the Brazelton/Braselton family with family members and researchers who want it. Here are my notes: John Brazelton's dates of birth (13 Apr 1741)  and death (14 Mar 1781) are from his tombstone in the Springfield Friends' Cemetery, Guilford Co., North Carolina.  I have visited the grave and have a picture of the tombstone, which reads, "John Brazelton was born April 13, 1741.  Died March 14, 1781."  In a personal interview on 31 May 1995 at the Springfield meeting house, Brenda Haworth, curator of the museum attached to the meeting house, told me that the present stone was placed sometime in the 20th century to replace the original stone. Ms. Haworth showed me the original, which is now stored under the museum. It is an old slate stone with very faint lettering, obviously hand carved. On this stone, the date of birth is partly worn away; it appears to be April 15th, 1741, but the 5 could easily be a 3. The original tombstone, which Brenda Haworth tells me John's family placed on his grave, spells his name as Brasselton, using the old double S spelling. At the time of John's birth, various records place his parents in Prince George (later Frederick) Co., MD.  Records cited below suggest that, at his death, he was living in Guilford Co., North Carolina.  At the time of JB's death, his brother William was also living in Guilford Co. 9th day 4th month: John appears in Fairfax Friends' monthly meeting minutes witnessing the marriage of Joseph Wright of Menallen, Pennsylvania, monthly meeting to Mary Farquhar of Pipe Creek meeting. The marriage was in the latter meeting. William and Isaac Brazelton, John's brothers, witnessed the same marriage. Prior to his move to North Carolina (via Virginia), John appears in a number of Frederick Co., Maryland, land records. On 22 June 1763, John Brazelton, Sr., and wife Bridget deeded parts of Black Oak Hill and Level Spring to son John, who then sold the land to Valentine Miers the same day (see file of John Brazelton, Sr., for details on this source). On 13 Apr. 1765, along with brother William, John sold his share of Level Spring on Black Oak Hill in Frederick Co. —evidently intending to move to Guilford Co. with brother Wm., though Frederick records place him in Frederick Co. as late as 1776. See file of William. Brazelton/Braselton Family Newsletter 8 (15 Oct. 1994), p. 21, has a photocopy of a 7 Nov. 1765 patent to John for a tract of land called Brazelton's Chance. In Brazelton/Braselton Family Newsletter 16 (25 Jan. 1998), Glenn Brazelton reports that a map of land tracts in Frederick Co., Maryland, prepared by George Horvath, shows Brazelton's Chance being immediately adjacent Stringer's Neglect, another tract owned by John. Both are just south of the German Baptist Church, also known as Ivy Church, and east of Beaver Dam Creek. On 28 Nov. 1769, John sold the tract of 17 acres called Brazelton's Chance to  Alexander Thomas, the deed being rec. acres in Frederick Co. on 2 Dec. (DB M, 612-3). On 20 August 1776, John and wife Sarah sold to John Miller a tract called Stringer's Neglect in Frederick Co. (Frederick Co. Land Record Bk. BD-2, pp. 325-8).  Brandner states that this land was on Little Pipe Creek in the northeastern part of Frederick Co. Note that previously Stringer's Neglect had been owned by John's father John and sold to William and Elizabeth Williams, the latter evidently JB's sister — see files of John, Sr., and of Elizabeth Williams. John appears in the Frederick Co. Land Office Proprietary Debt Book, 1753-1773, from 1769 to 1773 as the owner of part of Stringer's Neglect, and from 1768 to 1770 for Brazelton's Chance. On the Proprietary Debt Book, see file of John Brazelton, Sr. John, Jr.'s, 1768 listing in the debt book for Brazelton's Chance, a year before his father deeded the land to him, suggests to me that he married in this year, and had set himself up on this tract of land as his homeplace. John was definitely married by Aug., 1776, when he sold land with wife Sarah. John's spouse Sarah was evidently the daughter of John Justice; on this, see file of John's wife Sarah Justice. In an 11 March 1992 letter to me and others, Glenn Brazelton states that John paid 2 shillings and 7 pence in 1769 on Brazelton's Chance and part of Stringer's Neglect. In this letter, Glenn hypothesizes that, after selling Stringer's Neglect in Aug., 1776, John moved his family through the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia to North Carolina. The move from Frederick County apparently occurred after 27 Dec. 1775, when John's name appears with those of his brothers Isaac and Jacob in a list of Frederick Co. associators returned on that date; for the citation, see file of Isaac Brazelton. Glenn Brazelton's hypothesis alludes to a 4 Oct. 1776 Washington Co., Virginia, record in which John appears. On this date, he witnessed the will of William Todd Livingston in Washington Co., Virginia. Glenn Brazelton's letter cites Shelby Edwards, abs., Washington County, Virginia, Will Book 1, 1777-1792, p. 73. Other witnesses to the will included William Williams, Matthew Mayes, Andrew Cowan, and Isaac Shelby. For Glenn Brazelton's theory that William Williams was the husband of JB's sister Elizabeth, see files of Elizabeth Brazelton and (Isaac?) Williams. Glenn Brazelton's 11 March 1992 letter notes that another source entitled The Livingstons of Virginia T gives 4 Oct. 1778 as the date of William Todd Livingston's will, and indicates that Livingston had been in both Maryland and Rowan Co., North Carolina (from which Guilford Co. was taken). William C. Stewart, Gone to Georgia (Washington, DC: National Geneal. Soc., 1965), p. 166, gives the will's date as 4 Oct. 1776. A transcript of the will is in Brazelton/Braselton Newsletter test version 3 (15 July 1992), p. 3. In the past, there has been considerable confusion about the circumstances and place of John's death. Pearl Ghormley Ingle's "Brazelton Family" (ca. 1926; cited in file of John Brazelton the immigrant) states that John went from Maryland to Kentucky, and was killed by Indians at Bear Grass Creek. This statement was repeated in queries in William and Mary Quarterly 6, series 2 (1926), pp. 68-69; and in Boston Transcript (27 Dec. 1926), p. 4948.  The William and Mary query is by Elizabeth Gaylord Rathburn of Lincoln, Nebraska. I suspect that the Boston Transcript query was also placed by Elizabeth Rathburn. Both state that John emigrated from Maryland to Kentucky between 1774-8, and was killed by Indians at Bear Grass Creek near Harrodsburg, Kentucky. Both also identify this John as John, son of John the immigrant. In a 20 May 1991 letter to me, Dorothy Brandner that she has seen an 8 Sept. 1925 letter of Elizabeth Gaylord Rathburn which states that, when John was captured by Indians, he was so large that 3 Indian chiefs danced a war dance around his overcoat. However, as Dorothy points out, this story also assumes that John was son of John the immigrant, so it may not have a basis in fact. (I assume that the letter of Elizabeth Rathburn is in Lewis, Genealogy of Brazelton/Braselton Family; on this source, see file of Jacob, son of John the immigrant). Brazelton Newsletter 1,2 (1 Apr. 1990), p. 1 (published by Dorothy Dittmer, Akron, Ohio), attempts to discover the basis of the story regarding John's death. Dittmer notes that the story was clearly incorrect in assuming that the John Brazelton of Kentucky was son of John the immigrant, since John, son of John the immigrant, can be proven to have died on 14 Mar. 1781 in Guilford Co., NC. Dittmer's theory is that, somehow, the story of John Brazelton, son of John the immigrant, has been conflated with circumstances that pertain to the history of John's nephew John, son of Isaac, son of John the immigrant. Isaac's son John married Catherine, daughter of James Westerfield/Jacobus Westervelt. In Dittmer's view, the story of John Brazelton's killing by Indians probably refers to James Westerfield, rather than to John Brazelton, son of the immigrant, who clearly died in Guilford Co., N.C. In Brazelton/Braselton Family Newsletter test version 3 (15 July 1992), pp. 1-2, Glenn Brazelton discusses other legends pertaining to the death of John. According to Glenn, these are recounted by Fred Hughes in Guilford County, a Map Supplement (Jamestown, NC: Custom House, n.d.). Hughes states that John was a victim of Tory aggression during the American Revolution. According to this tradition, John fled a band of Tories and hid under hay in his barn in Guilford Co. When his pursuers prodded the hay with pitchforks, they discovered him and hanged him after a mock trial. Glenn says that Hughes lists John as a member of the Guilford Co. militia during the Revolution. Brazelton/Braselton Newsletter 8 (15 Oct. 1994), p. 21, has another version of the story of John's death. Here, Glenn Brazelton states that the Tories who hunted John down in a barn near the Springfield meeting house prodded the hay with pitchforks, then left. Afterwards, the body of John was found by Friends, who buried him in the Springfield cemetery. Yet another version of the story of John's death is in Blair Haworth, ed., Museum of Old Domestic Life (Springfield Friends Meeting: High Point, NC, 1976), p. 13. The source of this version of the story is oral history; Blair Haworth recorded stories his grandmother, Sarah Richardson Haworth (born 1896), told him as the two walked around the Springfield Friends' Museum. Re: the tombstone of JB, Sarah R. Haworth told her grandson the following: John was a musician in the Continental Army.Because he was a patriot, David Fanning's men pursued him into a barn not far from Springfield meeting house. John hid under a stack of hay, and was bayonetted by Fanning's men. They threw his body out and left it there, and Friends picked the body up and buried John in the Springfield Friends' cemetery. John's family put a marker over the grave some time after this, and this was the first marked grave in the cemetery. The Federal Writers' Project of the Federal Works Agency, North Carolina: The WPA Guide to the Old North State (Chapel Hill: Univ. of N.C., 1939), p. 389, has conflicting information about these matters. This source states that the Springfield cemetery contains the grave of John Brasleton, a British soldier fatally wounded in the Battle of Guilford Courthouse. Note that this battle occurred on 15 March 1781, the day following John's death.This makes me wonder whether, in fact, John's death was somehow associated with this Revolutionary battle. According to Burke Davis, Cowpens-Guilford Courthouse Campaign, Cornwallis and his British troops camped on 13 March 1781 at a Quaker meetinghouse between the forks of the Deep River (p. 144). Hugh F. Rankin, Greene and Cornwallis: The Campaign in the Carolinas (Raleigh: NC Dept. of Cultural Resources, 1976), identifies this Quaker meetinghouse as Deep River (p. 69). Note that Cornwallis' opponent, Gen. Nathaniel Greene of Rhode Island, was himself a Quaker, so that it might be possible that the Quaker community of Guilford Co. would have had sympathies with his forces, even if they tried to maintain their tradition Quaker pacifism. Note that in Oct. 1779, two Tories were captured by John's brother John and others at William Brazelton's house in Guilford Co. Could the death of John have been due to revenge for his brother's involvement in this capture of two Tories? According to various sources (see, e.g., Brazelton/Braselton Newsletter 1, 2 [1 Apr. 1990], p. 1), John was one of the first persons buried in the Springfield cemetery. Here, Dorothy Dittmer cites information provided by Mary Mellichampe of High Point, North Carolina, who also told Dittmer that, even though John is buried in a Quaker cemetery, he was not a Quaker. High Point Enterprise (High Point, North Carolina), 1 Jun 1942, Monday, page 10, has an article by Sara Richardson Haworth entitled “Springfield Friends Rededicate Church,” which contains information about John Brazelton’s death. This states that he was an American soldier hunted by Tories who hid under bales of hay in a barn, and was bayoneted to death. He was found by Friends and buried in Springfield meeting’s cemetery. The 1 Jan. 1788 will of JB's father John notes that John had died by the time the will was written. The will leaves 5 shillings to John's heirs. The North Carolina Archives does not have an estate file for JB. William D. Lindsey

    08/04/2019 03:56:34
    1. [BRAZELTON] Re: Rachel Brazelton(1797-1866), daughter of Sarah MNU 1780-1852 and William Brazelton 1777-1800
    2. William Lindsey
    3. Sue, you're right: the ThruLines are not an instant solution to our complex genealogical problems — for the reason you state: in matching us to others who share our DNA and then reporting on why Ancestry thinks we match, Ancestry is often relying on misinformation others have submitted about their (and our) ancestry. It's necessary to be judicious in using that new tool and analyzing its results. To me, it looks as if you have done a very good job of putting together your own particular puzzle. I will look and see if I can find more to assist you, too.  A note about the Guilford College Quaker archives: their website is  here: LibGuides: Quaker Archives: Welcome | | | | LibGuides: Quaker Archives: Welcome Creating educational opportunities through Quaker and College documentary resources. Web page and introductory i... | | | On the page I just linked, if you click the link (left side of page) entitled "Quaker Records" and then, on the page that opens up after you click that link, click "Quaker Genealogy," you'll find a very good explanation of how "meetings" functioned in Quaker communities. There were several levels of meetings, from monthly to quarterly to yearly. These meetings can be very rich sources of genealogical information. Not only do they tell you, for instance, the names and dates of birth of children born to Quaker couples, dates of death and dates of marriage, but they also record why people were excluded from Quaker meetings, what they did to be excluded, etc. They also help pinpoint when someone or a family moved from one meeting to another, an important piece of information with the Braselton/Brazelton families who were Quakers, several of whom moved from Maryland down to Guilford County, North Carolina, and then went west to other Quaker meetings in western North Carolina and Tennessee and on into the Midwest. The problem with accessing these meeting records is that you have to make a visit to the archives, since I don't think most or any of them have been digitized. It has been some years since I did research on the Brazeltons in those records at the Guilford College Quaker Archives, and my memory is fuzzy about what kind of finding aids existed then — and others may be available now. I recall that I had some specific notes about members of the family of William Brazelton and Sarah Shepherd who had been excluded from their Quaker meeting, with dates attached, and so it wasn't very difficult to find the pages in the meeting records I needed to see. As I have mentioned previously, I don't think I did any research at that time regarding John Brazelton and Sarah Justice and their family, and I suspect the reason for that was that, at that point, I was accepting the claim of some of the historians of the Quaker communities in Guilford County that John was not a Quaker. Now I'm not so sure. I think the early Friends in Guilford County assumed John was not a Quaker because it appears he was serving in some local militia at the time he was killed, supposedly by local Tories. As you know, Quakers are supposed to be pacifists. But I've found some evidence that John's brother William, who was very definitely a Quaker and remained a Quaker to the end of his life, was assisting the Revolutionary cause in Guilford County, and was not entirely removed from the military campaign to overthrow British rule. This makes me think it's possible John actually was a Quaker, too. I know for sure most of his family members were. I'd love any and all information you'd like to share with me. In case it might help you or others, I'll post the bits and pieces of information I know about your John. I don't think they will solve your particular genealogical problem, but they may have clues that will help or interest you. William D. Lindsey On Friday, August 2, 2019, 12:50:35 PM CDT, Sue D <sodixey@hotmail.com> wrote: Thank you William.  I did realize you mentioned a Guilford College ( different from Guilford County).  I just mentioned I had exhausted what I was able to find online.  I failed to mentioned I was unaware there was a Guilford College and yes I will be pursing that next. Next to no one knows my Rachel exists.  There are multiple Rachel Brazeltons ( 3 inside the Fredrick/Guildford ones, all born mid to late 1790s) from this family and most trees attribute MY Rachel to the wrong set of parents. John and Sarah Bradley had a Rachel, my William and Sarah MNU had a Rachel. The Brazelton/Bradley family settled and died in Illinois.  My line settled in Texas and died there.  Geography alone would  sort out they are not one in the same family.  My Rachel is an only child, where as the other Rachel was one of 10/11 children she married a different man, had 3? children and died young. So my ThruLines are not perfect because of a lot of tree mixup issues.  I have to ignore the ones with the incorrect pedigree.  Convincing others my tree is the more accurate pedigree has pretty much gone nowhere.  But I persevere. I work with what I do have that I know is to be correct and dismiss the rest. Thanks again for your expertise and direction.  If you are interested in any of this family, I can clue you in, just a bit. Sue -----Original Message----- From: William Lindsey Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 11:40 AM To: brazelton@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRAZELTON] Re: Rachel Brazelton(1797-1866), daughter of Sarah MNU 1780-1852 and William Brazelton 1777-1800 Sue, thank you for the clarification. Yes, I had understood that you think it's very likely that Rachel is a daughter of John Brazelton and Sarah Justice. I think you've put the pieces of the puzzle together very convincingly, and understand why you'd also want to find further documented verification. It was the Quaker Archives at Guilford College I was recommending. I've found some very good information in them about the family of John's brother William — pieces of information I haven't found elsewhere. To the best of my recollection, I don't think I looked for information about the family of John Brazelton and Sarah Justice when I visited those archives in the past. I'm wondering if there might be information about the children of John and Sarah in those archives, especially in minutes from monthly meetings and quarterly meetings. William D. Lindsey     On Friday, August 2, 2019, 10:58:41 AM CDT, Sue D <sodixey@hotmail.com> wrote: William, Let me make sure I am crystal clear.  Through DNA testing and ThruLines it seems apparent and obvious to my eyes that either the mother or the father of my Rachel was biologically a child of a Brazelton.  I pondered if Sarah was a Brazelton by birth but inside the family of John and Sarah there really isnt a spot for her to fit in the birth order.  I did not automatically decide her dad was a Brazelton, I was open to either parent being the Brazelton source. The marriage record of Sarah Brazelton marrying William Ford leads me to think Sarah's name was Brazelton by marriage.  That further supports the claim in the family diary that Rachel's mother was Mrs. Ford who was a young widow when she married Mr. Ford.  Does one refer to a widow in referring to a woman who was not married at the time?? So what I am left with are bits and pieces.  What I feel fairly confident about is that Rachel's father is a son of John Brazelton and Sarah Justice. It seems they had children from 1770-1781, depending on the tree you look at could be as many as 8 if you include all 3 sons. My aunt has a 55cMs segment of DNA to match who descends from a daughter of John and Sarah.  So with that much DNA at the distance it would be, the DNA link is solid.  When I compare shared matches at Ancestry many of them with public trees take me to a "child" within the John B Sarah Justice family unit.  That is what convinced me I was in the right immediate family unit. So I feel confident I have a proper set of grandparents for Rachel, but I have yet to find the paper proof I would need to show it is a slam dunk. I did pursue what I could find online, in the Quaker records and came up empty.  I did look at the Guilford County website but since I don’t have a surname for Sarah I cant narrow down the field of possible surnames.    I have William as a placeholder in my tree for the time being.  I know I am in the ballpark for sure. I appreciate your assistance. -----Original Message----- From: William Lindsey Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 9:31 AM To: brazelton@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRAZELTON] Re: Rachel Brazelton(1797-1866), daughter of Sarah MNU 1780-1852 and William Brazelton 1777-1800 Sue, this is fascinating information. I wish I had some pieces of information to send you, but haven't done sufficient research on this family. I have visited the grave of John (1741-1781) at Springfield Friends' meeting house in Guilford County, and saw both the current gravestone marking his grave and the earlier one that was, when I went there, stored under the meeting house. A lady who was giving tours at that time kindly showed me the old stone under the meeting house. I don't seem to have a record of John's and Sarah's sons Edward and William, so you have material I don't have — you obviously know a lot more about that family than I do, I should say. One thought: there are really good archives at Guilford College. They have a lot of the old Quaker records (or copies of them) from that region. I wonder if more is to be found about William and his brothers in those records. My understanding is that the Quaker community in Guilford County has long thought John Brazelton was not a Quaker, but his children and wife Sarah surely do seem to have been — and John's brother William, who also moved from Frederick County, Maryland, to Guilford County, North Carolina, was definitely a Quaker and continued to be one up to the end of his life in Jefferson County, Tennessee. The records of the monthly and quarterly meetings often have valuable genealogical information in them — more than is transcribed in indexed like Hinshaw's index to Quaker records — and I'm wondering if you might find some more information about John and Sarah's sons in them. Just a thought. William D. Lindsey     On Thursday, August 1, 2019, 10:21:14 PM CDT, Sue D <sodixey@hotmail.com> wrote: Hi William and Brazelton researchers. I am going to toss my information out here while others are doing so also. My Rachel Brazelton was b. 1796/7 in NC she d. in TX in 1866.  Her mother, Sarah is thought to have been born in abt. 1779/80 in NC.  Rachel marries William Viser, most likely in 1814/5, since most of the family was in MontgomeryCo, TN at the time, we presume there. From a family diary we 'believe' Sarah married a Mr. Brazelton, had Rachel, an only child, and then he died.  The family diary refers to Sarah being a young widowThen Mrs. Sarah Brazelton married a William Ford in Oct.1800. The marriage to Ford took place in GuilfordCo, NC.  A Jonathan Armfield signed the marriage bond with William Ford.  Ralph Gonnell also signed it but it seems he had GuilfordCo, NC elected position of some kind. Based on the DNA testing of several of my family members,who are immediate, 2nd cousins and 3rd cousins,  I have been able to determine that the father of Rachel Brazelton would be a son of John Brazelton b. 1741 d. 1781 and Sarah Justice b. 1752.  John died at the hands of the Torries at the Battle of Guilford House during the American Revolution.  John and Sarah had at least 8 children of which three were sons, Edward b. 1770, John b. 1776 and William b. 1777.  Edward may have married Thersa Adams and moved to KY?? John married Sarah Bradley ( daughter of William Bradley and Rachel Farmer) and moves to Vermillion, IL They have 10 children?.  Our best guess is William is the father of my Rachel.  He is the only male who is named in several trees and seems to just "disappear" off the radar.  Sarah then married Alexander Ferguson and likely had a son.  I have been provided a copy of a will for Sarah Justice Brazelton Ferguson. My brick wall is the wife of William Brazelton.  We know she is Sarah. There is no marriage record for William B. and Sarah.  After Sarah marries William Ford they move to TN, likely the DavidsonCo, TN area.  William Ford and other male relatives ( Visers and Fowlers)  are found in W. of 1812  in Bryans, Bradleys and Halls units.  William and Sarah have 4 Ford sons in TN before settling in TX where in 1852 Sarah dies. I am most interested in hearing from anyone who descends from the children of John Brazelton and Sarah Justice.  I have solid DNA matches to children of John and Sarah, siblings of John and siblings of Sarah.  That is how I am able to deduce I am in looking inside the proper family unit.  The are known to have only 3 sons. If John and Sarah Justice Brazelton are in your pedigree I welcome hearing from you, especially if you have any information that would be of help in my research. Sue -----Original Message----- From: William Lindsey Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 7:04 PM To: brazelton@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRAZELTON] Hannah Green, Wife of Jacob Braselton (1749-1835) My contribution to keeping the valuable Brazelton list alive: For a long time, it has been thought that Hannah Green, who married Jacob, son of John Brazelton, about 1773, was the daughter of Duff Green and Ann Willis of Virginia. My research on Hannah's origins has led me to conclude that she's very certainly the daughter of Henry Green and his wife Elizabeth of  Baltimore Co., Maryland, and Granville Co., North Carolina. Henry was born about 21 March 1729, the date of his baptism in St. Paul's Episcopal parish, Baltimore. He died in Granville County sometime before February 1810. Henry died testate, and his will does not name a daughter Hannah. Nor is a daughter Hannah among the children of Henry and Elizabeth who are recorded in St. Paul's parish in the 1750s and 1760s. However, there are other known children of Henry and Elizabeth who are also not in the St. Paul's baptismal register. There are a lot of very strong indicators that Hannah was Henry's daughter. Henry and Elizabeth had moved over to Frederick Co., Maryland, where the Brazeltons lived at the time when Jacob Brazelton and Hannah Green are thought to have married. Henry's parents were William Green and Hannah Haile, so it seems likely this is where Hannah Green Braselton's name came from. Jacob and Hannah moved to Granville Co., North Carolina, with Henry and his family, and there's much interaction between the two families in the records of Granville County. These folks left Maryland after Henry's son Job was imprisoned by the Committee of Safety in Maryland for using his ship to run goods through embargo lines — so it was alleged — to the British in the West Indies. Hannah's date of birth as recorded in Jacob Brazelton's bible — 8 April 1757 — fits right into the list of Henry and Elizabeth Green's known children, between Job, who was baptized 31 March 1755 in St. Paul's parish in Baltimore, and Nicholas, who was born about 1758. Jacob and Hannah Green Brazelton named their first son John, which was the name of Jacob's father. Their next child was a daughter whom they named Elizabeth. The third child was a son whom they named Henry. They named another of their sons Job Green Braselton. Ancestry's new ThruLines reports show me matching five proven descendants of Henry and Elizabeth Green's son William, who is named in Henry's will and also listed as a son of Henry and Elizabeth when he was baptized in St. Paul's parish in Baltimore on 20 April 1750. I think there's compelling reason to conclude that Jacob Braselton's wife Hannah Green was a daughter of Henry and Elizabeth Green of Baltimore Co., Maryland, and Granville Co., North Carolina. William D. Lindsey _______________________________________________ This list is adoptable. 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    08/04/2019 03:32:19
    1. [BRAZELTON] Re: Rachel Brazelton(1797-1866), daughter of Sarah MNU 1780-1852 and William Brazelton 1777-1800
    2. Sue D
    3. Thank you William. I did realize you mentioned a Guilford College ( different from Guilford County). I just mentioned I had exhausted what I was able to find online. I failed to mentioned I was unaware there was a Guilford College and yes I will be pursing that next. Next to no one knows my Rachel exists. There are multiple Rachel Brazeltons ( 3 inside the Fredrick/Guildford ones, all born mid to late 1790s) from this family and most trees attribute MY Rachel to the wrong set of parents. John and Sarah Bradley had a Rachel, my William and Sarah MNU had a Rachel. The Brazelton/Bradley family settled and died in Illinois. My line settled in Texas and died there. Geography alone would sort out they are not one in the same family. My Rachel is an only child, where as the other Rachel was one of 10/11 children she married a different man, had 3? children and died young. So my ThruLines are not perfect because of a lot of tree mixup issues. I have to ignore the ones with the incorrect pedigree. Convincing others my tree is the more accurate pedigree has pretty much gone nowhere. But I persevere. I work with what I do have that I know is to be correct and dismiss the rest. Thanks again for your expertise and direction. If you are interested in any of this family, I can clue you in, just a bit. Sue -----Original Message----- From: William Lindsey Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 11:40 AM To: brazelton@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRAZELTON] Re: Rachel Brazelton(1797-1866), daughter of Sarah MNU 1780-1852 and William Brazelton 1777-1800 Sue, thank you for the clarification. Yes, I had understood that you think it's very likely that Rachel is a daughter of John Brazelton and Sarah Justice. I think you've put the pieces of the puzzle together very convincingly, and understand why you'd also want to find further documented verification. It was the Quaker Archives at Guilford College I was recommending. I've found some very good information in them about the family of John's brother William — pieces of information I haven't found elsewhere. To the best of my recollection, I don't think I looked for information about the family of John Brazelton and Sarah Justice when I visited those archives in the past. I'm wondering if there might be information about the children of John and Sarah in those archives, especially in minutes from monthly meetings and quarterly meetings. William D. Lindsey On Friday, August 2, 2019, 10:58:41 AM CDT, Sue D <sodixey@hotmail.com> wrote: William, Let me make sure I am crystal clear. Through DNA testing and ThruLines it seems apparent and obvious to my eyes that either the mother or the father of my Rachel was biologically a child of a Brazelton. I pondered if Sarah was a Brazelton by birth but inside the family of John and Sarah there really isnt a spot for her to fit in the birth order. I did not automatically decide her dad was a Brazelton, I was open to either parent being the Brazelton source. The marriage record of Sarah Brazelton marrying William Ford leads me to think Sarah's name was Brazelton by marriage. That further supports the claim in the family diary that Rachel's mother was Mrs. Ford who was a young widow when she married Mr. Ford. Does one refer to a widow in referring to a woman who was not married at the time?? So what I am left with are bits and pieces. What I feel fairly confident about is that Rachel's father is a son of John Brazelton and Sarah Justice. It seems they had children from 1770-1781, depending on the tree you look at could be as many as 8 if you include all 3 sons. My aunt has a 55cMs segment of DNA to match who descends from a daughter of John and Sarah. So with that much DNA at the distance it would be, the DNA link is solid. When I compare shared matches at Ancestry many of them with public trees take me to a "child" within the John B Sarah Justice family unit. That is what convinced me I was in the right immediate family unit. So I feel confident I have a proper set of grandparents for Rachel, but I have yet to find the paper proof I would need to show it is a slam dunk. I did pursue what I could find online, in the Quaker records and came up empty. I did look at the Guilford County website but since I don’t have a surname for Sarah I cant narrow down the field of possible surnames. I have William as a placeholder in my tree for the time being. I know I am in the ballpark for sure. I appreciate your assistance. -----Original Message----- From: William Lindsey Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 9:31 AM To: brazelton@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRAZELTON] Re: Rachel Brazelton(1797-1866), daughter of Sarah MNU 1780-1852 and William Brazelton 1777-1800 Sue, this is fascinating information. I wish I had some pieces of information to send you, but haven't done sufficient research on this family. I have visited the grave of John (1741-1781) at Springfield Friends' meeting house in Guilford County, and saw both the current gravestone marking his grave and the earlier one that was, when I went there, stored under the meeting house. A lady who was giving tours at that time kindly showed me the old stone under the meeting house. I don't seem to have a record of John's and Sarah's sons Edward and William, so you have material I don't have — you obviously know a lot more about that family than I do, I should say. One thought: there are really good archives at Guilford College. They have a lot of the old Quaker records (or copies of them) from that region. I wonder if more is to be found about William and his brothers in those records. My understanding is that the Quaker community in Guilford County has long thought John Brazelton was not a Quaker, but his children and wife Sarah surely do seem to have been — and John's brother William, who also moved from Frederick County, Maryland, to Guilford County, North Carolina, was definitely a Quaker and continued to be one up to the end of his life in Jefferson County, Tennessee. The records of the monthly and quarterly meetings often have valuable genealogical information in them — more than is transcribed in indexed like Hinshaw's index to Quaker records — and I'm wondering if you might find some more information about John and Sarah's sons in them. Just a thought. William D. Lindsey On Thursday, August 1, 2019, 10:21:14 PM CDT, Sue D <sodixey@hotmail.com> wrote: Hi William and Brazelton researchers. I am going to toss my information out here while others are doing so also. My Rachel Brazelton was b. 1796/7 in NC she d. in TX in 1866. Her mother, Sarah is thought to have been born in abt. 1779/80 in NC. Rachel marries William Viser, most likely in 1814/5, since most of the family was in MontgomeryCo, TN at the time, we presume there. From a family diary we 'believe' Sarah married a Mr. Brazelton, had Rachel, an only child, and then he died. The family diary refers to Sarah being a young widowThen Mrs. Sarah Brazelton married a William Ford in Oct.1800. The marriage to Ford took place in GuilfordCo, NC. A Jonathan Armfield signed the marriage bond with William Ford. Ralph Gonnell also signed it but it seems he had GuilfordCo, NC elected position of some kind. Based on the DNA testing of several of my family members,who are immediate, 2nd cousins and 3rd cousins, I have been able to determine that the father of Rachel Brazelton would be a son of John Brazelton b. 1741 d. 1781 and Sarah Justice b. 1752. John died at the hands of the Torries at the Battle of Guilford House during the American Revolution. John and Sarah had at least 8 children of which three were sons, Edward b. 1770, John b. 1776 and William b. 1777. Edward may have married Thersa Adams and moved to KY?? John married Sarah Bradley ( daughter of William Bradley and Rachel Farmer) and moves to Vermillion, IL They have 10 children?. Our best guess is William is the father of my Rachel. He is the only male who is named in several trees and seems to just "disappear" off the radar. Sarah then married Alexander Ferguson and likely had a son. I have been provided a copy of a will for Sarah Justice Brazelton Ferguson. My brick wall is the wife of William Brazelton. We know she is Sarah. There is no marriage record for William B. and Sarah. After Sarah marries William Ford they move to TN, likely the DavidsonCo, TN area. William Ford and other male relatives ( Visers and Fowlers) are found in W. of 1812 in Bryans, Bradleys and Halls units. William and Sarah have 4 Ford sons in TN before settling in TX where in 1852 Sarah dies. I am most interested in hearing from anyone who descends from the children of John Brazelton and Sarah Justice. I have solid DNA matches to children of John and Sarah, siblings of John and siblings of Sarah. That is how I am able to deduce I am in looking inside the proper family unit. The are known to have only 3 sons. If John and Sarah Justice Brazelton are in your pedigree I welcome hearing from you, especially if you have any information that would be of help in my research. Sue -----Original Message----- From: William Lindsey Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 7:04 PM To: brazelton@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRAZELTON] Hannah Green, Wife of Jacob Braselton (1749-1835) My contribution to keeping the valuable Brazelton list alive: For a long time, it has been thought that Hannah Green, who married Jacob, son of John Brazelton, about 1773, was the daughter of Duff Green and Ann Willis of Virginia. My research on Hannah's origins has led me to conclude that she's very certainly the daughter of Henry Green and his wife Elizabeth of Baltimore Co., Maryland, and Granville Co., North Carolina. Henry was born about 21 March 1729, the date of his baptism in St. Paul's Episcopal parish, Baltimore. He died in Granville County sometime before February 1810. Henry died testate, and his will does not name a daughter Hannah. Nor is a daughter Hannah among the children of Henry and Elizabeth who are recorded in St. Paul's parish in the 1750s and 1760s. However, there are other known children of Henry and Elizabeth who are also not in the St. Paul's baptismal register. There are a lot of very strong indicators that Hannah was Henry's daughter. Henry and Elizabeth had moved over to Frederick Co., Maryland, where the Brazeltons lived at the time when Jacob Brazelton and Hannah Green are thought to have married. Henry's parents were William Green and Hannah Haile, so it seems likely this is where Hannah Green Braselton's name came from. Jacob and Hannah moved to Granville Co., North Carolina, with Henry and his family, and there's much interaction between the two families in the records of Granville County. These folks left Maryland after Henry's son Job was imprisoned by the Committee of Safety in Maryland for using his ship to run goods through embargo lines — so it was alleged — to the British in the West Indies. Hannah's date of birth as recorded in Jacob Brazelton's bible — 8 April 1757 — fits right into the list of Henry and Elizabeth Green's known children, between Job, who was baptized 31 March 1755 in St. Paul's parish in Baltimore, and Nicholas, who was born about 1758. Jacob and Hannah Green Brazelton named their first son John, which was the name of Jacob's father. Their next child was a daughter whom they named Elizabeth. The third child was a son whom they named Henry. They named another of their sons Job Green Braselton. Ancestry's new ThruLines reports show me matching five proven descendants of Henry and Elizabeth Green's son William, who is named in Henry's will and also listed as a son of Henry and Elizabeth when he was baptized in St. Paul's parish in Baltimore on 20 April 1750. I think there's compelling reason to conclude that Jacob Braselton's wife Hannah Green was a daughter of Henry and Elizabeth Green of Baltimore Co., Maryland, and Granville Co., North Carolina. William D. Lindsey _______________________________________________ This list is adoptable. 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    08/02/2019 11:50:21