I don't claim any special knowledge or correctness, but I thought I would throw this out for discussion. The way I have it listed is largely in accord with the account of Mahala Bray Brown, but I do have an extra generation (an extra Edward) listed. The extra generation takes care of the unlikely (in my opinion) age of death of 113 years for Henry Bray. I have no less than 14 Henry Brays in my database. So I have numbered them for the purposes of this discussion. There is no intrinsic meaning to the numbers (Henry #1 is not necessarily related to Henry #2 for example). > Henry BRAY, the father of our house of BRAYs, was born in England 1683. I have this Henry listed as Henry #3 (see below), son of Henry #2 and Mary Herbert. He with his younger brother Edward, came to the country in >the year 1701 the their Uncle Thomas on Church business I have this Thomas listed as "#librarian Thomas" (see below), and I do have him listed as the uncle of Henry #3 and brother of Henry #2. > Henry was married in Maryland. The surname of his wife is not know for >certain <sic>, but it is supposed to be JONES. From Maryland he I have her name listed as Elizabeth Jones. >went to what is now known as South Carolina and thence to Chatham Co. NC. >when he died at the ripe age of 113 years. I very much doubt this part of the story. I have Henry #4 listed as dying in Chatham County, North Carolina in 1794. I have Henry #4 listed as the nephew of Henry #3. I believe that Henry #3 and Henry #4 must have become merged in Mahala Bray Brown's story. If the version I am presenting is correct, then we don't know that Henry #3 died in Chatham County and we don't really know when he died. > Henry begot two sons, the elder being in our line of descent and Henry by >name. This Henry married Miss Sarah YOKLEY and lived and died in Chatham >County at the age of 70 years. He was a farmer and merchant and to him >and Sarah, his wife, were born eleven children, nine sons and two >daughters. The third child's name was William and is next in line of our >descent." I have the Henry who married Sarah Yokley listed as Henry #5, son of Henry #4. This much is totally in accord with Mahala Bray Brown's story. Again, the discrepancy is that her story seems to merge my Henry #3 and my Henry #4. Also, I have Edward Bray who married Sarah Maynard listed a the son of Henry #4 and as the brother of Henry #5. Again, this is in accord with Mahala Bray Brown's story except for the merger (or not!) of Henry #3 and Henry #4. So here's what I have. Please offer constructive criticism. (My line is Edward Bray and Sarah Maynard to John Bray and Jane to Edward Payne Bray and Anna F. Messamore.) Jerry Bryan 1-Richard Bray b: 28 May 1614 in St. Catherine, London, England sp-Mary Nicholes b: 1617 m: 9 Feb 1634 in Lampert, Hampton, England 2-Richard Bray b: abt 1636 in Morton, Shopshire, England 2-#2 Henry Bray b: 16 Dec 1648 in Saint Giles, Cripplegate, London, England d: 31 Aug 1723 in Pasquotank County, North Carolina sp-Mary Herbert b: 1638 in Morton, Shapshire, England d: 1724 3-#3 Henry Bray b: 22 Jul 1683 in St. Sepulchre, London, England sp-Elizabeth Jones b: abt 1685 in of London, England m: in Maryland d: in England 3-Edward Bray b: abt 1685 in of London County, Middlesex, England d: in North Carolina sp-unknown 4-#4 Henry Bray b: 1715 in London, England d: 11 Feb 1794 in Chatham County, North Carolina sp-Mary Wilson b: abt 1717 in Chatham County, North Carolina m: abt 1731 in Monocacy Hundred, Prince George County, Maryland d: abt 1790 in Chatham County, North Carolina 5-Sarah Bray b: 31 Mar 1732 in Frederick County, Maryland sp-Adam Ramsour 5-Anna Maria Bray b: 15 Apr 1733 in Frederick County, Maryland sp-Johnson sp-Johnson 5-Susannah Bray b: 10 Mar 1735 in Frederick County, Maryland d: bef 1794 5-Catherine Bray b: 16 Apr 1737 in Chatham County, North Carolina sp-Jones sp-Jones 5-Elizabeth Bray b: 3 Nov 1739 in Frederick County, Maryland sp-William Leakey b: abt 1728 in Prince George County, Maryland m: 1750 in Frederick County, Maryland sp-William Poe 5-#5 Henry Bray Jr b: 1742 in Orange County, North Carolina d: 7 Jan 1812 in Chatham County, North Carolina sp-Sarah Yokley b: 1743 in Virginia or Maryland m: abt 1762 in North Carolina d: Feb 1818 in Chatham County, North Carolina 5-Edward Bray b: abt 1744 in Maryland 4-Jane Bray b: abt 1719 in North Carolina 4-Edward Bray b: 5 Jan 1719 in Chatham County, North Carolina d: 5 Jan 1760 in Orange County, North Carolina sp-Sarah Maynard b: bet 1720 and 1725 in Virginia m: 1742 in Fairfax Friends, Waterford, Fairfax County, Virginia d: 15 Mar 1803 in Deep Creek, Chatham County, North Carolina 5-Richard Bray b: 1742 sp-Molly McGuire m: 17 Oct 1808 in Surry County, North Carolina 5-Susannah Bray b: abt 1744 sp-McDaniel 5-Rachel Bray b: abt 1746 sp-McDaniel m: abt 5 Nov 1785 5-Elizabeth Bray b: abt 1748 sp-Smith 5-Sarah (Sally) Bray b: abt 1750 sp-Morrison 5-Edward Bray b: bet 1752 and 1760 in Virginia sp-Nancy Anna Dowdy b: abt 1765 in <Chatham County, North Carolina> m: bef 1796 in Chatham County, North Carolina 5-#6 Henry Bray Sr b: 29 Aug 1755 in Fairfax County, Virginia d: 27 Aug 1838 in Mooresville, Morgan County, Indiana sp-Keziah Huff Jones b: 19 Mar 1761 in Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania m: 2 Feb 1778 in New Garden Mm, Guilford County, North Carolina d: 15 Aug 1836 in White Lick Mm, Morgan County, Indiana 5-James Bray b: abt 1756 5-Mary Jane (Polly) Bray b: abt 1757 in Chatham County, North Carolina sp-Isaac Carter m: bef 1795 5-John Bray b: bet 1758 and 1760 in Orange County, North Carolina d: bet 1840 and 1851 in <Anderson County, Tennessee> sp-Jane b: abt 1790 in Virginia m: abt 1808 d: abt 1851 in Anderson County, Tennessee 5-Joseph Bray b: abt 1760 sp-unknown sp-Elizabeth Lindsey\Kindsey m: 20 May 1798 in Knox County, Tennessee 4-William C. Bray b: abt 1721 in North Carolina 2-#librarian Thomas Bray b: in Marton, Shropshire, England d: 15 Feb 1729 _________________________________________________________________ Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work and yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx
Ok Jerry you wanted constructive criticism I think you have done well and are trying to do your own verification o f your data that says to me that you are always searching and not satisfied to rest on someone elses laurels . I have one exception to your facts there is not one iota of proof ,and much to the contrary that Elizabeth Bray daughter of Old Henry ever married a lackey in fact there are documents signed by William and Elizabeth Poe that take place in the time period she is supposedly married to leaky . I have questioned Lackey researchers in debth and they don't have any evidence to support this other than it is what they have always believed . that means nothing . It is I suppose possible that he was married to a different Elizabeth Bray , but this is rampant guesswork at best ., and there is no reason to believe he married any Elizabeth Bray this was speculation on the part of Leaky researchers initially they simply had /Elizabeth married to Leacky , however when it was pointed out that Old Henrys will was very specific written in 1790 and named her as Elizabeth Poe they tried to change the facts to make her married twice they had her married to leaky first then William Poe, like I said a deed in 1775 William and Elizabeth sold land to Henry Bray and signed the deed ,so were married at that time so she could not have been married to Leakey . at the same time . I believe that Elizabeth and William are found still in Surry Co NC in 1890 at least a William and Elizabeth Poe are, If Elizabeth Bray married ole William Leacky she whould have had to have married him at about age 12, she just wasn't married to him period Patricia Caviness Perkins ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Bryan" <c24m48@hotmail.com> To: <BRAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 11:04 AM Subject: RE: [BRAY-L] Henry & Edward BRAY > I don't claim any special knowledge or correctness, but I thought I would > throw this out for discussion. The way I have it listed is largely in > accord with the account of Mahala Bray Brown, but I do have an extra > generation (an extra Edward) listed. The extra generation takes care of the > unlikely (in my opinion) age of death of 113 years for Henry Bray. I have > no less than 14 Henry Brays in my database. So I have numbered them for the > purposes of this discussion. There is no intrinsic meaning to the numbers > (Henry #1 is not necessarily related to Henry #2 for example). > > > Henry BRAY, the father of our house of BRAYs, was born in England 1683. > > I have this Henry listed as Henry #3 (see below), son of Henry #2 and Mary > Herbert. > > He with his younger brother Edward, came to the country in > >the year 1701 the their Uncle Thomas on Church business > > I have this Thomas listed as "#librarian Thomas" (see below), and I do have > him listed as the uncle of Henry #3 and brother of Henry #2. > > > Henry was married in Maryland. The surname of his wife is not know for > >certain <sic>, but it is supposed to be JONES. From Maryland he > > I have her name listed as Elizabeth Jones. > > >went to what is now known as South Carolina and thence to Chatham Co. NC. > >when he died at the ripe age of 113 years. > > I very much doubt this part of the story. I have Henry #4 listed as dying > in Chatham County, North Carolina in 1794. I have Henry #4 listed as the > nephew of Henry #3. I believe that Henry #3 and Henry #4 must have become > merged in Mahala Bray Brown's story. If the version I am presenting is > correct, then we don't know that Henry #3 died in Chatham County and we > don't really know when he died. > > > Henry begot two sons, the elder being in our line of descent and Henry by > >name. This Henry married Miss Sarah YOKLEY and lived and died in Chatham > >County at the age of 70 years. He was a farmer and merchant and to him > >and Sarah, his wife, were born eleven children, nine sons and two > >daughters. The third child's name was William and is next in line of our > >descent." > > I have the Henry who married Sarah Yokley listed as Henry #5, son of Henry > #4. This much is totally in accord with Mahala Bray Brown's story. Again, > the discrepancy is that her story seems to merge my Henry #3 and my Henry > #4. > > Also, I have Edward Bray who married Sarah Maynard listed a the son of Henry > #4 and as the brother of Henry #5. Again, this is in accord with Mahala > Bray Brown's story except for the merger (or not!) of Henry #3 and Henry #4. > > So here's what I have. Please offer constructive criticism. (My line is > Edward Bray and Sarah Maynard to John Bray and Jane to Edward Payne Bray and > Anna F. Messamore.) > > Jerry Bryan > > > > 1-Richard Bray > b: 28 May 1614 in St. Catherine, London, England > sp-Mary Nicholes > b: 1617 > m: 9 Feb 1634 in Lampert, Hampton, England > 2-Richard Bray > b: abt 1636 in Morton, Shopshire, England > 2-#2 Henry Bray > b: 16 Dec 1648 in Saint Giles, Cripplegate, London, England > d: 31 Aug 1723 in Pasquotank County, North Carolina > sp-Mary Herbert > b: 1638 in Morton, Shapshire, England > d: 1724 > 3-#3 Henry Bray > b: 22 Jul 1683 in St. Sepulchre, London, England > sp-Elizabeth Jones > b: abt 1685 in of London, England > m: in Maryland > d: in England > 3-Edward Bray > b: abt 1685 in of London County, Middlesex, England > d: in North Carolina > sp-unknown > 4-#4 Henry Bray > b: 1715 in London, England > d: 11 Feb 1794 in Chatham County, North Carolina > sp-Mary Wilson > b: abt 1717 in Chatham County, North Carolina > m: abt 1731 in Monocacy Hundred, Prince George County, > Maryland > d: abt 1790 in Chatham County, North Carolina > 5-Sarah Bray > b: 31 Mar 1732 in Frederick County, Maryland > sp-Adam Ramsour > 5-Anna Maria Bray > b: 15 Apr 1733 in Frederick County, Maryland > sp-Johnson > sp-Johnson > 5-Susannah Bray > b: 10 Mar 1735 in Frederick County, Maryland > d: bef 1794 > 5-Catherine Bray > b: 16 Apr 1737 in Chatham County, North Carolina > sp-Jones > sp-Jones > 5-Elizabeth Bray > b: 3 Nov 1739 in Frederick County, Maryland > sp-William Leakey > b: abt 1728 in Prince George County, Maryland > m: 1750 in Frederick County, Maryland > sp-William Poe > 5-#5 Henry Bray Jr > b: 1742 in Orange County, North Carolina > d: 7 Jan 1812 in Chatham County, North Carolina > sp-Sarah Yokley > b: 1743 in Virginia or Maryland > m: abt 1762 in North Carolina > d: Feb 1818 in Chatham County, North Carolina > 5-Edward Bray > b: abt 1744 in Maryland > 4-Jane Bray > b: abt 1719 in North Carolina > 4-Edward Bray > b: 5 Jan 1719 in Chatham County, North Carolina > d: 5 Jan 1760 in Orange County, North Carolina > sp-Sarah Maynard > b: bet 1720 and 1725 in Virginia > m: 1742 in Fairfax Friends, Waterford, Fairfax County, > Virginia > d: 15 Mar 1803 in Deep Creek, Chatham County, North > Carolina > 5-Richard Bray > b: 1742 > sp-Molly McGuire > m: 17 Oct 1808 in Surry County, North Carolina > 5-Susannah Bray > b: abt 1744 > sp-McDaniel > 5-Rachel Bray > b: abt 1746 > sp-McDaniel > m: abt 5 Nov 1785 > 5-Elizabeth Bray > b: abt 1748 > sp-Smith > 5-Sarah (Sally) Bray > b: abt 1750 > sp-Morrison > 5-Edward Bray > b: bet 1752 and 1760 in Virginia > sp-Nancy Anna Dowdy > b: abt 1765 in <Chatham County, North Carolina> > m: bef 1796 in Chatham County, North Carolina > 5-#6 Henry Bray Sr > b: 29 Aug 1755 in Fairfax County, Virginia > d: 27 Aug 1838 in Mooresville, Morgan County, > Indiana > sp-Keziah Huff Jones > b: 19 Mar 1761 in Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, > Pennsylvania > m: 2 Feb 1778 in New Garden Mm, Guilford County, > North Carolina > d: 15 Aug 1836 in White Lick Mm, Morgan County, > Indiana > 5-James Bray > b: abt 1756 > 5-Mary Jane (Polly) Bray > b: abt 1757 in Chatham County, North Carolina > sp-Isaac Carter > m: bef 1795 > 5-John Bray > b: bet 1758 and 1760 in Orange County, North > Carolina > d: bet 1840 and 1851 in <Anderson County, Tennessee> > sp-Jane > b: abt 1790 in Virginia > m: abt 1808 > d: abt 1851 in Anderson County, Tennessee > 5-Joseph Bray > b: abt 1760 > sp-unknown > sp-Elizabeth Lindsey\Kindsey > m: 20 May 1798 in Knox County, Tennessee > 4-William C. Bray > b: abt 1721 in North Carolina > 2-#librarian Thomas Bray > b: in Marton, Shropshire, England > d: 15 Feb 1729 > > _________________________________________________________________ > Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work - and > yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx > > > ==== BRAY Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >