I just checked my copy of the orginal records and the death date is correct. Edward who m. Sarah Maynard b. 1720 d. 1-5-1760 Henry son of Edward. b. 8-22-1755 d. 8-27-1838 Henry C. Bray who married Mary Wilson was born ca 1681, and died 1794 According to New Garden MM records, but it was noted that no real birthdate was ever given for Henry C. it was "believed". I find it hard to believe, no real birth records where kept in NC until 1704. After looking through many of my records I find nothing on his truely birth record, only that notation in the MM records. However when I have more time, I'll check the Va. records. This line links into my through David Bray Glee

Wittness at the marriage of Henry and Kezia Bray Hannah Mills Ann Huff Jemima Jones Sarah brooks Sarah Pike Ann Elmore David Brooks Aaron Mills William Walker Nathan Pike Ashley Johnson Richard Jones

Thank you for sharing I would love to see the list of witnesses as I am researching several folks in Chatham . My questionis you show Edward as the son of Henry and Mary wilson , yet he died in 1760 and yet in 1790 when Henry made his will he mentions son Edward ?? Patricia Caviness Perkins ----- Original Message ----- From: <GleeSyt@aol.com> To: <BRAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [BRAY-L] Henry & Edward BRAY > Let's see if I can add some information about Edward b. 1720 d. 1-5-1760and > Sarah Maynard Bray (dau. of Henry and Susanna Maynard) d.1803 > > Is this the right line??? according to the will of Joseph Bray son of Edward > and Sarah Bray > > > Mary (Polly) m. Isaac Carter > ch > Joseph, John, Joshua, Isaac Jr., Henry, Solomon, Edward, Hannah (who > m. Moses Brown.), Mary ( who m. Ralph Shaw) Rachael (who m. Carlton Hinshaw) > and Ruth. > > Richard m. Polly Mcguire in Surry Co. > Suana m a McDaniel > Rachael m. a McDaniel > Elizabeth m. a Smith > Sarah m. a Morrison > Henry 1755-1838b. Fairfax Co. Va. m. Kezia Jones Surry County > ch. > Jamimah, John Henry, Henry, Sarah, Edward, Mary, Richard, Joseph, > Abijah, Abijah, (listed twice), Kezia, Marchia (mussey). > James > John > Edward > Joseph m. Elizaeth Lindsey in Surry Col 1820. > > > This family was Quaker and according to the Quacker records the following was > taken from the Meeting records > > "Whereas Henry Bray, son of Edward Bray of Chatham Country, and Kezia Jones, > dau., of Richard Jones of Surry County, N.C., having decared their intentions > of marriage with each other before several Monthly Meetings of the people > called Quakers, held at the New Garden Monthly Meeting in Guilford County, > aforesaid; and nothing appearing to obstruct, were left to state their liberty to > accomplish their marriage according to good order. The which they did ye 2nd of > ye 2nd Mo, 1778, at Muddy Creek Meeting before many witnesses, thwelve of those > names are inserted to wit:" > > > I did not list the witness names. but if you need them let me know. > > found in the Meeting records, the following children and dates > > Jemima, b. 11-30-1778 m John Thomlinson, 1-25-1797 NC > John H. Bray b. 5-8-1780 m. Hannah Shelton > Henry b. 2-18-1782 > Sarah b. 1-26-1784 > Edward b. 1-18-1786 m. Elizabeth Shelton > Elizabeth. b. 10-17-1792 d. 5-11-1868 > Mary b. 5-23-1788 m. unknown Chamness > Richard b. 4-22-1790 m. Mary Shelton > Joseph b. 6-13-1792 > Abijah b. 3-12-1793 d. 1797 > Abijah b. 11-16-1797 > Messey (Marcia Bray b. 6-16-1805 m. Jcaob Hadley > Kezia > > > I show that Edward was the son of Henry C Bray b ca 1681 Chatham Co, NC d. > 1794 m. Mary Wilson of Chatham Co. Henry's will can be found in the probated > wills of 1790-1794 > > I don't have the will, this is not my line per say, it does link into my > further back. > > > ==== BRAY Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

You are correct in much of what you say I tend to agree that Henry Bray may be connected to Thomas Bray when I see two men close in age and in the same place I tend to connect them . however thinking it possible does not prove it . I do not know how old Henry Bray was I do not know when he was born , I do not believe he lived to be 113 . even in this day it is not likely if it happened there would have been much to do about it and it would noted in local history books etc . I know that it is easy to confuse the records of men with the same name , and while I am at it I always wondered how the name Mary Wilson was arrived at ? I realize Mary comes from the will where does the surname Wilson come from ,and were there others of her family near by in Chatham Co ? Patricia Caviness Perkins ----- Original Message ----- From: "james e. wall" <jewall@students.wisc.edu> To: <BRAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 2:47 PM Subject: [BRAY-L] Henry & Edward BRAY > > Thank you Pat & James for feedback on the earliest BRAY generations > posting (Southern branches of the family). > > Pat, while healthy skepticism is always a good thing, I would like to > point out that Mahala BRAY BROWN was of Henry BRAY & Marie WILSON's family > while the William Gilmer BRAY who served in the US Congress from > Indiana was of Edward BRAY married Sarah MAYNARDs line. Seems highly > improbable they knew one another yet both lines of the family end up > pointing to the same couple of BRAY men. And while a Congressman might > have some incentive to connect to famous BRAYs, there isn't anything in the > letter Mahala BRAY BROWN wrote that indicates she recalled the historical > import of Thomas BRAY other than he was a man of the Church. > > Plus, Mahala BRAY BROWN was the great-grand-daughter of Henry BRAY & Marie > WILSON and typically family memories go back to the g-g-grandparents before > the memories begin to dim. Mahala certainly did not put Thomas BRAY front > and center in her account either, highlighting his important activities in > America prior to his return to England. > > So, I for one am inclined to give the account the benefit of a doubt until > disproven. I realize these family stories can attract embellishments over > time, but the fact a detail here or there is off is not the same as saying > the entire story is hokem & hooey. People have lived to 113 in the > past. Is there evidence that Henry BRAY who married Marie WILSON died at a > younger age? It is one thing to dismiss a claim, it is quite another to > disprove it. Do you have any proof how old Henry BRAY who married Marie > WILSON was at the time of his death Pat? (or anyone else?) It seems to me > that the easiest way to fact test the story is to confirm Henry BRAY's > birth and death dates. > > I hope this discussion is of interest to the list. I find I typically > learn more from those I disagree, with than those who I do, so don't take > the fact my thoughts are different from anothers as a criticism of them. I > appreciate all interested researchers feedback :) > > james wall > > > ==== BRAY Mailing List ==== > Bray Family GenConnect Query Board at: > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Bray > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

Let's see if I can add some information about Edward b. 1720 d. 1-5-1760and Sarah Maynard Bray (dau. of Henry and Susanna Maynard) d.1803 Is this the right line??? according to the will of Joseph Bray son of Edward and Sarah Bray Mary (Polly) m. Isaac Carter ch Joseph, John, Joshua, Isaac Jr., Henry, Solomon, Edward, Hannah (who m. Moses Brown.), Mary ( who m. Ralph Shaw) Rachael (who m. Carlton Hinshaw) and Ruth. Richard m. Polly Mcguire in Surry Co. Suana m a McDaniel Rachael m. a McDaniel Elizabeth m. a Smith Sarah m. a Morrison Henry 1755-1838b. Fairfax Co. Va. m. Kezia Jones Surry County ch. Jamimah, John Henry, Henry, Sarah, Edward, Mary, Richard, Joseph, Abijah, Abijah, (listed twice), Kezia, Marchia (mussey). James John Edward Joseph m. Elizaeth Lindsey in Surry Col 1820. This family was Quaker and according to the Quacker records the following was taken from the Meeting records "Whereas Henry Bray, son of Edward Bray of Chatham Country, and Kezia Jones, dau., of Richard Jones of Surry County, N.C., having decared their intentions of marriage with each other before several Monthly Meetings of the people called Quakers, held at the New Garden Monthly Meeting in Guilford County, aforesaid; and nothing appearing to obstruct, were left to state their liberty to accomplish their marriage according to good order. The which they did ye 2nd of ye 2nd Mo, 1778, at Muddy Creek Meeting before many witnesses, thwelve of those names are inserted to wit:" I did not list the witness names. but if you need them let me know. found in the Meeting records, the following children and dates Jemima, b. 11-30-1778 m John Thomlinson, 1-25-1797 NC John H. Bray b. 5-8-1780 m. Hannah Shelton Henry b. 2-18-1782 Sarah b. 1-26-1784 Edward b. 1-18-1786 m. Elizabeth Shelton Elizabeth. b. 10-17-1792 d. 5-11-1868 Mary b. 5-23-1788 m. unknown Chamness Richard b. 4-22-1790 m. Mary Shelton Joseph b. 6-13-1792 Abijah b. 3-12-1793 d. 1797 Abijah b. 11-16-1797 Messey (Marcia Bray b. 6-16-1805 m. Jcaob Hadley Kezia I show that Edward was the son of Henry C Bray b ca 1681 Chatham Co, NC d. 1794 m. Mary Wilson of Chatham Co. Henry's will can be found in the probated wills of 1790-1794 I don't have the will, this is not my line per say, it does link into my further back.

Ok Jerry you wanted constructive criticism I think you have done well and are trying to do your own verification o f your data that says to me that you are always searching and not satisfied to rest on someone elses laurels . I have one exception to your facts there is not one iota of proof ,and much to the contrary that Elizabeth Bray daughter of Old Henry ever married a lackey in fact there are documents signed by William and Elizabeth Poe that take place in the time period she is supposedly married to leaky . I have questioned Lackey researchers in debth and they don't have any evidence to support this other than it is what they have always believed . that means nothing . It is I suppose possible that he was married to a different Elizabeth Bray , but this is rampant guesswork at best ., and there is no reason to believe he married any Elizabeth Bray this was speculation on the part of Leaky researchers initially they simply had /Elizabeth married to Leacky , however when it was pointed out that Old Henrys will was very specific written in 1790 and named her as Elizabeth Poe they tried to change the facts to make her married twice they had her married to leaky first then William Poe, like I said a deed in 1775 William and Elizabeth sold land to Henry Bray and signed the deed ,so were married at that time so she could not have been married to Leakey . at the same time . I believe that Elizabeth and William are found still in Surry Co NC in 1890 at least a William and Elizabeth Poe are, If Elizabeth Bray married ole William Leacky she whould have had to have married him at about age 12, she just wasn't married to him period Patricia Caviness Perkins ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Bryan" <c24m48@hotmail.com> To: <BRAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 11:04 AM Subject: RE: [BRAY-L] Henry & Edward BRAY > I don't claim any special knowledge or correctness, but I thought I would > throw this out for discussion. The way I have it listed is largely in > accord with the account of Mahala Bray Brown, but I do have an extra > generation (an extra Edward) listed. The extra generation takes care of the > unlikely (in my opinion) age of death of 113 years for Henry Bray. I have > no less than 14 Henry Brays in my database. So I have numbered them for the > purposes of this discussion. There is no intrinsic meaning to the numbers > (Henry #1 is not necessarily related to Henry #2 for example). > > > Henry BRAY, the father of our house of BRAYs, was born in England 1683. > > I have this Henry listed as Henry #3 (see below), son of Henry #2 and Mary > Herbert. > > He with his younger brother Edward, came to the country in > >the year 1701 the their Uncle Thomas on Church business > > I have this Thomas listed as "#librarian Thomas" (see below), and I do have > him listed as the uncle of Henry #3 and brother of Henry #2. > > > Henry was married in Maryland. The surname of his wife is not know for > >certain <sic>, but it is supposed to be JONES. From Maryland he > > I have her name listed as Elizabeth Jones. > > >went to what is now known as South Carolina and thence to Chatham Co. NC. > >when he died at the ripe age of 113 years. > > I very much doubt this part of the story. I have Henry #4 listed as dying > in Chatham County, North Carolina in 1794. I have Henry #4 listed as the > nephew of Henry #3. I believe that Henry #3 and Henry #4 must have become > merged in Mahala Bray Brown's story. If the version I am presenting is > correct, then we don't know that Henry #3 died in Chatham County and we > don't really know when he died. > > > Henry begot two sons, the elder being in our line of descent and Henry by > >name. This Henry married Miss Sarah YOKLEY and lived and died in Chatham > >County at the age of 70 years. He was a farmer and merchant and to him > >and Sarah, his wife, were born eleven children, nine sons and two > >daughters. The third child's name was William and is next in line of our > >descent." > > I have the Henry who married Sarah Yokley listed as Henry #5, son of Henry > #4. This much is totally in accord with Mahala Bray Brown's story. Again, > the discrepancy is that her story seems to merge my Henry #3 and my Henry > #4. > > Also, I have Edward Bray who married Sarah Maynard listed a the son of Henry > #4 and as the brother of Henry #5. Again, this is in accord with Mahala > Bray Brown's story except for the merger (or not!) of Henry #3 and Henry #4. > > So here's what I have. Please offer constructive criticism. (My line is > Edward Bray and Sarah Maynard to John Bray and Jane to Edward Payne Bray and > Anna F. Messamore.) > > Jerry Bryan > > > > 1-Richard Bray > b: 28 May 1614 in St. Catherine, London, England > sp-Mary Nicholes > b: 1617 > m: 9 Feb 1634 in Lampert, Hampton, England > 2-Richard Bray > b: abt 1636 in Morton, Shopshire, England > 2-#2 Henry Bray > b: 16 Dec 1648 in Saint Giles, Cripplegate, London, England > d: 31 Aug 1723 in Pasquotank County, North Carolina > sp-Mary Herbert > b: 1638 in Morton, Shapshire, England > d: 1724 > 3-#3 Henry Bray > b: 22 Jul 1683 in St. Sepulchre, London, England > sp-Elizabeth Jones > b: abt 1685 in of London, England > m: in Maryland > d: in England > 3-Edward Bray > b: abt 1685 in of London County, Middlesex, England > d: in North Carolina > sp-unknown > 4-#4 Henry Bray > b: 1715 in London, England > d: 11 Feb 1794 in Chatham County, North Carolina > sp-Mary Wilson > b: abt 1717 in Chatham County, North Carolina > m: abt 1731 in Monocacy Hundred, Prince George County, > Maryland > d: abt 1790 in Chatham County, North Carolina > 5-Sarah Bray > b: 31 Mar 1732 in Frederick County, Maryland > sp-Adam Ramsour > 5-Anna Maria Bray > b: 15 Apr 1733 in Frederick County, Maryland > sp-Johnson > sp-Johnson > 5-Susannah Bray > b: 10 Mar 1735 in Frederick County, Maryland > d: bef 1794 > 5-Catherine Bray > b: 16 Apr 1737 in Chatham County, North Carolina > sp-Jones > sp-Jones > 5-Elizabeth Bray > b: 3 Nov 1739 in Frederick County, Maryland > sp-William Leakey > b: abt 1728 in Prince George County, Maryland > m: 1750 in Frederick County, Maryland > sp-William Poe > 5-#5 Henry Bray Jr > b: 1742 in Orange County, North Carolina > d: 7 Jan 1812 in Chatham County, North Carolina > sp-Sarah Yokley > b: 1743 in Virginia or Maryland > m: abt 1762 in North Carolina > d: Feb 1818 in Chatham County, North Carolina > 5-Edward Bray > b: abt 1744 in Maryland > 4-Jane Bray > b: abt 1719 in North Carolina > 4-Edward Bray > b: 5 Jan 1719 in Chatham County, North Carolina > d: 5 Jan 1760 in Orange County, North Carolina > sp-Sarah Maynard > b: bet 1720 and 1725 in Virginia > m: 1742 in Fairfax Friends, Waterford, Fairfax County, > Virginia > d: 15 Mar 1803 in Deep Creek, Chatham County, North > Carolina > 5-Richard Bray > b: 1742 > sp-Molly McGuire > m: 17 Oct 1808 in Surry County, North Carolina > 5-Susannah Bray > b: abt 1744 > sp-McDaniel > 5-Rachel Bray > b: abt 1746 > sp-McDaniel > m: abt 5 Nov 1785 > 5-Elizabeth Bray > b: abt 1748 > sp-Smith > 5-Sarah (Sally) Bray > b: abt 1750 > sp-Morrison > 5-Edward Bray > b: bet 1752 and 1760 in Virginia > sp-Nancy Anna Dowdy > b: abt 1765 in <Chatham County, North Carolina> > m: bef 1796 in Chatham County, North Carolina > 5-#6 Henry Bray Sr > b: 29 Aug 1755 in Fairfax County, Virginia > d: 27 Aug 1838 in Mooresville, Morgan County, > Indiana > sp-Keziah Huff Jones > b: 19 Mar 1761 in Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, > Pennsylvania > m: 2 Feb 1778 in New Garden Mm, Guilford County, > North Carolina > d: 15 Aug 1836 in White Lick Mm, Morgan County, > Indiana > 5-James Bray > b: abt 1756 > 5-Mary Jane (Polly) Bray > b: abt 1757 in Chatham County, North Carolina > sp-Isaac Carter > m: bef 1795 > 5-John Bray > b: bet 1758 and 1760 in Orange County, North > Carolina > d: bet 1840 and 1851 in <Anderson County, Tennessee> > sp-Jane > b: abt 1790 in Virginia > m: abt 1808 > d: abt 1851 in Anderson County, Tennessee > 5-Joseph Bray > b: abt 1760 > sp-unknown > sp-Elizabeth Lindsey\Kindsey > m: 20 May 1798 in Knox County, Tennessee > 4-William C. Bray > b: abt 1721 in North Carolina > 2-#librarian Thomas Bray > b: in Marton, Shropshire, England > d: 15 Feb 1729 > > _________________________________________________________________ > Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work - and > yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx > > > ==== BRAY Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Thank you Pat & James for feedback on the earliest BRAY generations posting (Southern branches of the family). Pat, while healthy skepticism is always a good thing, I would like to point out that Mahala BRAY BROWN was of Henry BRAY & Marie WILSON's family while the William Gilmer BRAY who served in the US Congress from Indiana was of Edward BRAY married Sarah MAYNARDs line. Seems highly improbable they knew one another yet both lines of the family end up pointing to the same couple of BRAY men. And while a Congressman might have some incentive to connect to famous BRAYs, there isn't anything in the letter Mahala BRAY BROWN wrote that indicates she recalled the historical import of Thomas BRAY other than he was a man of the Church. Plus, Mahala BRAY BROWN was the great-grand-daughter of Henry BRAY & Marie WILSON and typically family memories go back to the g-g-grandparents before the memories begin to dim. Mahala certainly did not put Thomas BRAY front and center in her account either, highlighting his important activities in America prior to his return to England. So, I for one am inclined to give the account the benefit of a doubt until disproven. I realize these family stories can attract embellishments over time, but the fact a detail here or there is off is not the same as saying the entire story is hokem & hooey. People have lived to 113 in the past. Is there evidence that Henry BRAY who married Marie WILSON died at a younger age? It is one thing to dismiss a claim, it is quite another to disprove it. Do you have any proof how old Henry BRAY who married Marie WILSON was at the time of his death Pat? (or anyone else?) It seems to me that the easiest way to fact test the story is to confirm Henry BRAY's birth and death dates. I hope this discussion is of interest to the list. I find I typically learn more from those I disagree, with than those who I do, so don't take the fact my thoughts are different from anothers as a criticism of them. I appreciate all interested researchers feedback :) james wall

I don't claim any special knowledge or correctness, but I thought I would throw this out for discussion. The way I have it listed is largely in accord with the account of Mahala Bray Brown, but I do have an extra generation (an extra Edward) listed. The extra generation takes care of the unlikely (in my opinion) age of death of 113 years for Henry Bray. I have no less than 14 Henry Brays in my database. So I have numbered them for the purposes of this discussion. There is no intrinsic meaning to the numbers (Henry #1 is not necessarily related to Henry #2 for example). > Henry BRAY, the father of our house of BRAYs, was born in England 1683. I have this Henry listed as Henry #3 (see below), son of Henry #2 and Mary Herbert. He with his younger brother Edward, came to the country in >the year 1701 the their Uncle Thomas on Church business I have this Thomas listed as "#librarian Thomas" (see below), and I do have him listed as the uncle of Henry #3 and brother of Henry #2. > Henry was married in Maryland. The surname of his wife is not know for >certain <sic>, but it is supposed to be JONES. From Maryland he I have her name listed as Elizabeth Jones. >went to what is now known as South Carolina and thence to Chatham Co. NC. >when he died at the ripe age of 113 years. I very much doubt this part of the story. I have Henry #4 listed as dying in Chatham County, North Carolina in 1794. I have Henry #4 listed as the nephew of Henry #3. I believe that Henry #3 and Henry #4 must have become merged in Mahala Bray Brown's story. If the version I am presenting is correct, then we don't know that Henry #3 died in Chatham County and we don't really know when he died. > Henry begot two sons, the elder being in our line of descent and Henry by >name. This Henry married Miss Sarah YOKLEY and lived and died in Chatham >County at the age of 70 years. He was a farmer and merchant and to him >and Sarah, his wife, were born eleven children, nine sons and two >daughters. The third child's name was William and is next in line of our >descent." I have the Henry who married Sarah Yokley listed as Henry #5, son of Henry #4. This much is totally in accord with Mahala Bray Brown's story. Again, the discrepancy is that her story seems to merge my Henry #3 and my Henry #4. Also, I have Edward Bray who married Sarah Maynard listed a the son of Henry #4 and as the brother of Henry #5. Again, this is in accord with Mahala Bray Brown's story except for the merger (or not!) of Henry #3 and Henry #4. So here's what I have. Please offer constructive criticism. (My line is Edward Bray and Sarah Maynard to John Bray and Jane to Edward Payne Bray and Anna F. Messamore.) Jerry Bryan 1-Richard Bray b: 28 May 1614 in St. Catherine, London, England sp-Mary Nicholes b: 1617 m: 9 Feb 1634 in Lampert, Hampton, England 2-Richard Bray b: abt 1636 in Morton, Shopshire, England 2-#2 Henry Bray b: 16 Dec 1648 in Saint Giles, Cripplegate, London, England d: 31 Aug 1723 in Pasquotank County, North Carolina sp-Mary Herbert b: 1638 in Morton, Shapshire, England d: 1724 3-#3 Henry Bray b: 22 Jul 1683 in St. Sepulchre, London, England sp-Elizabeth Jones b: abt 1685 in of London, England m: in Maryland d: in England 3-Edward Bray b: abt 1685 in of London County, Middlesex, England d: in North Carolina sp-unknown 4-#4 Henry Bray b: 1715 in London, England d: 11 Feb 1794 in Chatham County, North Carolina sp-Mary Wilson b: abt 1717 in Chatham County, North Carolina m: abt 1731 in Monocacy Hundred, Prince George County, Maryland d: abt 1790 in Chatham County, North Carolina 5-Sarah Bray b: 31 Mar 1732 in Frederick County, Maryland sp-Adam Ramsour 5-Anna Maria Bray b: 15 Apr 1733 in Frederick County, Maryland sp-Johnson sp-Johnson 5-Susannah Bray b: 10 Mar 1735 in Frederick County, Maryland d: bef 1794 5-Catherine Bray b: 16 Apr 1737 in Chatham County, North Carolina sp-Jones sp-Jones 5-Elizabeth Bray b: 3 Nov 1739 in Frederick County, Maryland sp-William Leakey b: abt 1728 in Prince George County, Maryland m: 1750 in Frederick County, Maryland sp-William Poe 5-#5 Henry Bray Jr b: 1742 in Orange County, North Carolina d: 7 Jan 1812 in Chatham County, North Carolina sp-Sarah Yokley b: 1743 in Virginia or Maryland m: abt 1762 in North Carolina d: Feb 1818 in Chatham County, North Carolina 5-Edward Bray b: abt 1744 in Maryland 4-Jane Bray b: abt 1719 in North Carolina 4-Edward Bray b: 5 Jan 1719 in Chatham County, North Carolina d: 5 Jan 1760 in Orange County, North Carolina sp-Sarah Maynard b: bet 1720 and 1725 in Virginia m: 1742 in Fairfax Friends, Waterford, Fairfax County, Virginia d: 15 Mar 1803 in Deep Creek, Chatham County, North Carolina 5-Richard Bray b: 1742 sp-Molly McGuire m: 17 Oct 1808 in Surry County, North Carolina 5-Susannah Bray b: abt 1744 sp-McDaniel 5-Rachel Bray b: abt 1746 sp-McDaniel m: abt 5 Nov 1785 5-Elizabeth Bray b: abt 1748 sp-Smith 5-Sarah (Sally) Bray b: abt 1750 sp-Morrison 5-Edward Bray b: bet 1752 and 1760 in Virginia sp-Nancy Anna Dowdy b: abt 1765 in <Chatham County, North Carolina> m: bef 1796 in Chatham County, North Carolina 5-#6 Henry Bray Sr b: 29 Aug 1755 in Fairfax County, Virginia d: 27 Aug 1838 in Mooresville, Morgan County, Indiana sp-Keziah Huff Jones b: 19 Mar 1761 in Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania m: 2 Feb 1778 in New Garden Mm, Guilford County, North Carolina d: 15 Aug 1836 in White Lick Mm, Morgan County, Indiana 5-James Bray b: abt 1756 5-Mary Jane (Polly) Bray b: abt 1757 in Chatham County, North Carolina sp-Isaac Carter m: bef 1795 5-John Bray b: bet 1758 and 1760 in Orange County, North Carolina d: bet 1840 and 1851 in <Anderson County, Tennessee> sp-Jane b: abt 1790 in Virginia m: abt 1808 d: abt 1851 in Anderson County, Tennessee 5-Joseph Bray b: abt 1760 sp-unknown sp-Elizabeth Lindsey\Kindsey m: 20 May 1798 in Knox County, Tennessee 4-William C. Bray b: abt 1721 in North Carolina 2-#librarian Thomas Bray b: in Marton, Shropshire, England d: 15 Feb 1729 _________________________________________________________________ Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work — and yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx

I don't think that this will be the final word on the Reverend Thomas Bray and his "relationship" with the descendents of Henry Bray, d. 1812, Chatham County, NC James W. Bray From "The Brayville Gazette", Vol.2, No.2, May, 1996 Written and edited by James W. Bray THOMAS BRAY GRAND UNCLE OF THE BRAYS? One of the enduring legends of the history of the Bray family of Chatham County, North Carolina is that of its connection to Reverend Thomas Bray, minister, Church of England, born in Salop County, England, 1658. Reverend Bray's goal in the late 1600s was to come to the American Colonies and establish a series of religious libraries on behalf of the Church of England. In a 1953 publication, Colonial and Revolutionary Lineages of America, The American Historical Company, Inc., New York, William G. Bray of Indiana is credited with providing research information that makes the link between Rev. Bray and Henry Bray of London, England. He goes on to contend that this Henry Bray, born circa 1684, is the father of Henry Bray who died, 1812, in Chatham County, North Carolina. It was William G. Bray's belief that this Henry Bray was the nephew of Dr. Bray. He apparently bases his belief on a short paragraph from the "Acts of the Assembly of Maryland," Vol. VI, p. 178: His Excellency is pleased to give to the Rev. Dr. Thomas Bray...(provided he comes to this province and the Act for marriage Lycenses pass)for the good services he has done in collecting Lyberarys, etc. for the money and tot. arising in marriage Lycenses since the 29th of June, 1697, His Excey having already given Dr. Payne for the maytenances of his Brother's child in the province what before accrued upon his account since his Excys Government. THE LIFE AND TIMES OF DR. BRAY The Reverend Bray arrived in Baltimore on March 12, 1700. He stayed in the Colonies for about six months. He is credited with having sent 34,000 books and tracts to America. Henry Bray, his nephew is said to have preceded his uncle to the Colony of Maryland by at least a year or so. Although not much is known about this Henry Bray and his early years in Maryland, Dr. Brays life and times are well documented. The following summary of some of the important events in his life were taken from the book "Thomas" Bray by H.P. Thompson, London, S.P.C.K., 1954. Thomas Bray was baptized on May 2, 1658 in the village of Chirbury, near Shrewsbury, Salop County, England not far from the Welsh border. Thomas' parents were Richard and Mary Bray of Bray's Tenement in the hamlet of Marton. Many generations of Brays had lived in the Chirbury parish... "between 1650 and 1706 five Brays served Chirbury as churchwarden." At an early age Thomas was recognized for his intellect and was sent to the Grammar School at Oswestry. On March 12, 1675, at the age of 17, Thomas Bray matriculated at All Souls College, Oxford University. In 1678 he earned his B.A. degree. He was ordained a deacon in the Church of England in 1681. In approximately 1686 he married Elenor (last name unknown). Thomas and Elenor had two children: William born on October 25 in 1687 and baptized on November 15th, 1687 per the register in Over Whitacre. William's sister Goditha was born on January 2,1688-9 and baptized on January 13. Elenor died on March 9, 1688-9 a few months after the birth of her daughter. The Reverend Thomas Bray, after a long and productive life, died in England on February 15, 1730 at the age of 72. His will, witnessed by William Portman and John Allen, was written on January 31, 1730. WILL OF REVEREND BRAY In his will, Dr. Bray names William Belitha, Stephen Hales, and Samuel Smith as overseers of the will if his daughter Goditha Bray Martin declines the "burdensome duty". Samuel Smith is named as the executor. Beneficiaries named in Reverend Bray's will are: his son William; his daughter Goditha Martin Bray and her husband James Martin; Rev. Bray's servants, Margaret Harris, Sarah Walker, and John Vat; Thomas Grove the undertaker and his two daughters. In addition to naming beneficiaries, Thomas Bray spells out in detail the distribution of his books and manuscripts. The will does not mention any brothers, sisters, nieces, or nephews. In point of fact, according to the author H.P. Thompson, Thomas Bray, son of Richard and Mary Bray was an only child. This appears to rule out William G. Bray's assertion that a Henry Bray who arrived in Maryland at or around the time of the Reverend Bray's arrival in that colony was his nephew. This assertion seems to be made on the basis of the use of the word "nephew" in the above paragraph from the Acts of the Maryland Assembly. The question is: whose nephew? It does not however eliminate the possibility that this Henry Bray might have been a cousin or came from the same general area in Salop County, England. This needs further investigation and clarification to find out if Henry Bray (d.1794) of Chatham County may have been descended from the Brays of England in or near the city of Shrewsbury in the West of England near Wales. From "The Brayville Gazette, Vol., 3 No. 1, Sept. 1997: The Reverend Bray... Revisited The tradition that Henry Bray (d.1794) was the nephew of the Reverend Thomas Bray needs some clarification. I had previously written that the Rev. Bray was an only child. This may not be the case. I looked carefully at the Shropshire County, Chirbury parish records in the IGI (International Genealogical Index) for evidence of the birth of a brother to the Rev. Bray. It turns out that Richard and Mary Bray, parents of the Reverend Thomas Bray had a son, Richard born in 1660, two years after the birth the Rev. Bray. But, there was no information from the parish records that this Richard married there or had children named Edward and Henry. St. Botolph's Without.... However, in 1706 The Rev. Bray became the rector of the Church of England parish of St. Botolph's Without, Algate, London, England. The enclosed listing of "Brays of England by County" shows that Brays had a fairly extensive history in this parish. It's possible that the Reverend Bray was the parish minister to the ancestors of Henry Bray (d.1794) and hence the source of the family story of the Reverend Bray being the "uncle" of Edward and Henry Bray. An important note: The William G. Bray of Indiana as noted above was a U.S. Congressman and may have wanted the Reverend Bray as part of his illustrious ancestors. jb -----Original Message----- From: Pat Perkins [mailto:caviness@conninc.com] Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 6:29 AM To: BRAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRAY-L] Henry & Edward BRAY I thank you for sharing your family heritage story . however It is not likely that one would live to be especially in those days 113 .I just don't believe it happened .I think that you are all missing a generation here and confusing a Henry Sr with a Henry Jr as one Henry . There is also no evidence that Thomas Bray had any brothers .in order for thomas to have been the uncle of Henry Bray ,he would have had to had a brother none so far have been found . without proof thats what they remain stories . Stories sometimes over time can take on a life of their own, however one must continue to search and not compacently accept what has been handed down as truth .Its like when you were a kid and played telephone each whispering to another a sentence and by the time it got to the end of the row of kids the sentence retained little of its original content It is also possibly true that Henry is the nephew,or some relation of Thomas, and that not all facts have been found re family members .perhaps there was a brother who has not come to light there are other slightly different stories out there re this relationship it certainly warrents checking out . patricia perkins ==== BRAY Mailing List ==== Help keep free Genealogy on the Internet.. Join Rootsweb Genealogical Data Cooperative http://www.rootsweb.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi Glenna ! It has been so hectic I can't believe it's taken me this long to respond and I am heading out in a couple hours again for another week gone from home. Thank you very much for your note. Below is the information I have on the FRANCIS family in my line. Somehow or other there is a connection between a handful of families that runs from back east through Ohio and ends up in northeastern Iowa. These are the families; BRAY, FRANCIS, IVES, MARBLE, and MAGOON/MCGOON. We believe Levi and Abigail died in Ohio but some FRANCIS' went on to Iowa. Delila FRANCIS marries David MAGOON/MCGOON in Ohio but may have been married to an IVES before that. We believe David MAGOON/MCGOON was either married to a BRAY at one time or his mother was a BRAY. John and Samuel BRAY end up in the same area in Iowa. David and Delila actually name one of their kids John BRAY McGOON. Before ending up in Iowa they spent a short time in Sheybogan area of Wisconsin. Any information you or this listing may have on a possible connection would really be appreciated. Hopefully this brick wall will be crumbling down soon. Sincerely, Mike 1-Levi FRANCIS b: 31 Aug 1782 in CT sp-Abigail MARBLE b: abt 1790 in CT . . . . . 2-Aretus W. FRANCIS b: bef 1810 in NY . . . . . 2-Harriet FRANCIS b: abt 1815 in NY . . . . . 2-Delila FRANCIS b: 2 Mar 1819 in Phelps, Ontario Co, NY d: 12 Jan 1881 in Volney, Allamakee Co, IA (near) . . . . . 2-Lucy FRANCIS b: abt 1822 in Kirtland, Lake County, Ohio . . . . . 2-John Chester S. FRANCIS b: 1825 in Ohio d: 1900 in Ohio . . . . . 2-Susan FRANCIS b: abt 1835 . . . . . 2-Charles FRANCIS b: abt 1836 in Ohio ----- Original Message ----- From: <GleeSyt@aol.com> To: <BRAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [BRAY-L] Martha Francis Bray > Hi Mike > > > I have loads of history about this family. Martha Francis, also known as Fanny Bray, had a sister by the name of Francis, who married into the White family. I have this line back to 940 ad...no that isn't a mistake... It is work I have done for over 24 years. > > Yes, it is Martha that I can not find out about after the death of her son Edward (known as Eddy Bray). His son's settled around Walnut Cove, NC. > > My Martha Francis moved around alot following her son and his family as he was a farm work for many people during his life. So they never owned land. She would have been my gggrandmother. I do know that her sister Francis ended up in Winston Salem, but Martha did not live with her. > > Tell me about your Francis maybe I can make a link for you. > > Your cuz in time, > > Glenna >

I thank you for sharing your family heritage story . however It is not likely that one would live to be especially in those days 113 .I just don't believe it happened .I think that you are all missing a generation here and confusing a Henry Sr with a Henry Jr as one Henry . There is also no evidence that Thomas Bray had any brothers .in order for thomas to have been the uncle of Henry Bray ,he would have had to had a brother none so far have been found . without proof thats what they remain stories . Stories sometimes over time can take on a life of their own, however one must continue to search and not compacently accept what has been handed down as truth .Its like when you were a kid and played telephone each whispering to another a sentence and by the time it got to the end of the row of kids the sentence retained little of its original content It is also possibly true that Henry is the nephew,or some relation of Thomas, and that not all facts have been found re family members .perhaps there was a brother who has not come to light there are other slightly different stories out there re this relationship it certainly warrents checking out . patricia perkins

Hi BRAY Buddies! I located the BRAY reference I talked of before. BRAY NOSTALGIA Vol. 2 No 1 June 1986 Ed: Cheryl L. CLARK This was originally written by Eli BRAY (ca 1876-1880) in Missouri "When Aunt Mahala <Mahala BRAY BROWN widow of Ephraim BROWN> was at my house the last time before she died, she gave me the history of the BRAY as far back as she knew it, and I wrote the names in rotation as she gave them to me. She also game me the surnames of who they married. I will now give you a short outline of our descent from the time our ancestors came to this country. Henry BRAY, the father of our house of BRAYs, was born in England 1683. He with his younger brother Edward, came to the country in the year 1701 the their Uncle Thomas on Church business <COMMENT: this Thomas worked for the Archbishop of Canterbury and established the Maryland Library system so Mahala is accurately recalling this most distant generation even if she had no clue about his library building efforts. I knew about Thomas BRAY before I ever located this letter of Mahala's>. Henry was married in Maryland. The surname of his wife is not know for certain <sic>, but it is supposed to be JONES. From Maryland he went to what is now known as South Carolina and thence to Chatham Co. NC. when he died at the ripe age of 113 years. Henry begot two sons, the elder being in our line of descent and Henry by name. This Henry married Miss Sarah YOKLEY and lived and died in Chatham County at the age of 70 years. He was a farmer and merchant and to him and Sarah, his wife, were born eleven children, nine sons and two daughters. The third child's name was William and is next in line of our descent." There follows a long discourse on the family of William BRAY & Margaret BROOKS. This is Edward BRAY m. Sarah MAYNARD & Henry BRAY m. Marie WILSON being clearly listed as brothers. Can anyone prove Mahala & Eli BRAY wrong? This account fits the facts I have been able to locate. james wall

No problem. This is the "busiest" time of the year!

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Hi Carol Sorry I guess i chose the wrong weekend to promis anyting. I am sorry. I have one more really busy day and then off for 2 weeks. I will get info sent to you Please forgive Your cuz in time Glee

Ooops, I stand corrected; I DO have a Thomas in my info. Again, from info from Frank McClelland, (jump in any time Frank ;-)) Nathan, b. 1818 in Rockcastle Co., KY m. Mary BAKER, had a son named Thomas b. 1845. This Thomas married a Mary _??_ who died before 1878, and he died 23 Dec. 1828 in Fulton, Hanson Co., South Dakota. Nathan was s/o Benjamin, s/o Littleberry, Sr. s/o Peter and Martha Scott Bray. -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Cooper <miminbc@stx.rr.com> To: BRAY-L@rootsweb.com <BRAY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, December 21, 2003 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [BRAY-L] Re: Bray-- Knox Co.-TN & KY >Carol, (and All) >Does your Thomas go back before 1850? Or do you have dates for him, or who >he married? >My gggrandfather James was born in Hancock/Hawkins Co., TN in 1823, then >lived in Claiborne Co., TN and Knox Co., KY (yes, KY). But they are not >that far away, so was wondering if there could be any connection. I don't >have a Thomas in my info, but I'm searching for James' father. This is the >James that married Winny GOLDEN, and died from yellow fever in the Camp >Nelson Hospital during his Union service during the War Between the States. > >James' little sister, Nancy, b. 1836, married a William WEBB, abt. 1850 as >her daughter Paulina was b. 1851. (This last from Frank McClelland on the >List <Email contributed on BRAY-L mail list 14 Feb. 2000 by Frank McClelland >fmcclell@iland.net.>) > >I also am looking at a Larkin WEBB connection on a collateral line. would >be happy to compare and share. >Yours Tree-ly, >Nancy Bray Cooper >BRAY, STEVENSON, HOWERTON, GOLDEN, HELM >-----Original Message----- >From: CABWEBB@aol.com <CABWEBB@aol.com> >To: BRAY-L@rootsweb.com <BRAY-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Saturday, December 20, 2003 9:12 AM >Subject: Re: [BRAY-L] Re: Bray-Henderson Co/Madison Co. TN - HELP > > >>I have a Thomas Bray from Knox Co. TN. He would be my g-g-grandfather. I >have >>very little information on him and would like to know more. Please send any >>information you have to CABWEBB@aol.com. >>Thanks in advance! >>Carol > > > > >==== BRAY Mailing List ==== > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Carol, (and All) Does your Thomas go back before 1850? Or do you have dates for him, or who he married? My gggrandfather James was born in Hancock/Hawkins Co., TN in 1823, then lived in Claiborne Co., TN and Knox Co., KY (yes, KY). But they are not that far away, so was wondering if there could be any connection. I don't have a Thomas in my info, but I'm searching for James' father. This is the James that married Winny GOLDEN, and died from yellow fever in the Camp Nelson Hospital during his Union service during the War Between the States. James' little sister, Nancy, b. 1836, married a William WEBB, abt. 1850 as her daughter Paulina was b. 1851. (This last from Frank McClelland on the List <Email contributed on BRAY-L mail list 14 Feb. 2000 by Frank McClelland fmcclell@iland.net.>) I also am looking at a Larkin WEBB connection on a collateral line. would be happy to compare and share. Yours Tree-ly, Nancy Bray Cooper BRAY, STEVENSON, HOWERTON, GOLDEN, HELM -----Original Message----- From: CABWEBB@aol.com <CABWEBB@aol.com> To: BRAY-L@rootsweb.com <BRAY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, December 20, 2003 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [BRAY-L] Re: Bray-Henderson Co/Madison Co. TN - HELP >I have a Thomas Bray from Knox Co. TN. He would be my g-g-grandfather. I have >very little information on him and would like to know more. Please send any >information you have to CABWEBB@aol.com. >Thanks in advance! >Carol

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5gF.2ACIB/1195.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Teddy, Harriet FULLER Bray was born in old Lone Elm, Henderson Co TN. Lone Elm is now part of Chesterfield, Henderson Co. TN. Harriet was the daughter of James H. Fuller, who was a prominent citizen of Henderson Co. TN and former chairman of the circuit court of Henderson Co. TN. Harriet FULLER Bray's sister was Katherine "Kittie" FULLER Bray, who married FELIX RANDOLPH BRAY. Felix was former postmaster in Jackson, Madison Co. TN. The parents of Felix R. Bray were John and Minerva Bray of old Lone Elm, Henderson Co. TN. John Bray died in Decaturville, Decatur Co. TN and was buried in Henderson Co TN. Below is more information from family trees at www.rootsweb.com. Use family trees at www.rootsweb.com to obtain information on ancestry of JOHN BRAY. Hope this helps you. Linda >From family trees on www.rootsweb.com: ID: I32700 Name: Harriett F. FULLER Sex: F Birth: 6 OCT 1846 in Lone Elm, Henderson County, Tennessee Death: 28 JAN 1908 Burial: JAN 1908 Union Cemetery, Henderson County, Tennessee Father: James Hill FULLER Senior b: 22 OCT 1823 in Humphries County, Tennessee Mother: Eleanor MCCALL b: 21 AUG 1824 in Laurens County, South Carolina Marriage 1 William Martin BRAY b: 26 NOV 1843 in Henderson County, Tennessee Married: 6 JUL 1862 in Henderson County, Tennessee Children: James Priestly BRAY b: 4 DEC 1863 in Tennessee Victoria Jane BRAY b: 20 NOV 1865 Felix Josephus BRAY b: 22 AUG 1867 John Ernest BRAY b: 13 JUL 1869 Manley Warren BRAY b: 3 MAY 1871 Everett Franklin BRAY b: 23 JUL 1873 Henry Lee BRAY b: 27 DEC 1875 William Fuller BRAY b: 1 DEC 1877 George McCall BRAY b: 28 OCT 1881 Eleanor Harriet BRAY b: 8 AUG 1883 Eugene McCall BRAY b: 4 NOV 1884

One part of my puzzle is which family would the two Henrys fit ?if in 1800 Henry :Bray Jr and Susannah Poe who posting bond with Henry Bray Sr are approved as administrator and administrix of estate of William Poe. which family would they from and which family was the person with the last name Pascal connected to ? Patricia Caviness Perkins >