What area of Va did your Angelica and James Bray live . I think one needs to study the names surrounding the families to do a complete job on ones family tree for example I am interested in the Bray family as it connects to my Poe family . I have Elizabeth Bray daughter of Henry Bray , lived in the Chatham and Surry Co NC she married William Poe this is from Henrys will and census records etc . I think that this marriage took place about 1758 probably in Va as this is where William Poes family seems to have been from (Culpepper Co )So obviously the Bray family must have lived near them they had to meet somewhere . If the Bray family came from Md did they go to Va first before NC , the Bradford family also seems to be connected to the Poe family in Va and NC Patricia Caviness Perkins ----- Original Message ----- From: <galtsglutch@alltel.net> To: <BRAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 2:38 PM Subject: [BRAY-L] Re: Origin of Bray's > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: Bray, Bradford, Whitaker, Cantey, Wiggins, Crowell > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/5gF.2ACIB/1256.1 > > Message Board Post: > > Glenn - Are your Bray's Haplotype "I"? Have just begun tracing my grandmothers MATERNAL line and have come to ANGELICA who married JAMES BRAY, 1600's VA. Is this the Henry line? Any help would be appreciated. This is the Mitochondrial line I will be dealing with: > 1. ANGELICA ? m. James Bray, VA > 2. ANGELICA BRAY m. Henry Baker, VA > 3. CATHERINE BAKER m. John Wiggins, VA>NC > 4. CATHERINE WIGGINS m. William Whitaker VA>NC>SC > 5. MARTHA WHITAKER m. James Cantey SC>GA > 6. SARAH CATHERINE CANTEY m. Henry Bradford Crowell SC>GA>AL > 7. MARY EMMA CROWELL m. James A. Whitaker FL>GA>AL > 8. MARTHA ELIZABETH WHITAKER m. Robert Fort Bradford FL>AL > 9. ELIZABETH FORT BRADFORD m. Frank Jeter Bickerstaff > website: www.bradfordgenealogy.org Not all info is up yet but interesting that this Bradford line is haplotype "I". You Bray's should jump on this Genetic Genealogy wagon, combining it with your traditional paper research and have a grand ride! Any help with the ancestors of Angelica/James Bray would be greatly appreciated. (By the way all direct female descendants of Angelica will have the same mtDNA signature, just hard to track through so many different surnames over 250+ years, descendants will number in the thousands.) Regards, Becky Mosely > > > ==== BRAY Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5gF.2ACIB/1256.1.1 Message Board Post: Haplogroup I1a seems to be closest match, although this science is changing literally every day. A book that you find in the library or bookstore is immediately obsolete on this subject. In order to find current information, one needs to read University reports or find a professor who takes the time to participate in DNA web sites. According to the folks listed above, the I1a group is the mark/description normally associated with the Angles who came to England and Scotland just after the Romans left in AD 410 and is historically now referred to as Anglo-Saxons. These folks were responsible for the name of England "Angle-land" and resided in Northumbria "Bernicia" which means "country of the Braes". Braes are found in the lowland rolling hills where there are many rivers and streams. The word Brae means "hill slope" usually just above a stream. Our ancestors would have taken the name from where they lived, near or on the brae area. The name is of Old Norse origins. Not our surname, rather the name for the area above a stream. The area in Scotland where the Brays would have come from is now called the Lothians, counties just to the north of the English border and where the border reevers were active in disrupting the local peasantry. I looked in my paper records for James Bray and did not find one listed in our family that is from your time frame. Our line is reported to have immigrated in 1652 to Virginia but that is not confirmed either. Our line is not proven earlier than the names listed in my first posting. In addition, the part about Oliver Cromwell and Ireland is somewhat subjective since the only documents we have, infers Brays of our line were with the Brays from another known line of descendants. (Immigrant Pierce Bray, early Presbyterian Elder in Maryland). The names of other folk who were with the Brays from Tipperary Ireland also showed up with our Brays in Maryland and North Carolina a few generations later. (Robert Wilson, Ephraim and Thomas Wilson, Thomas Jones, Polk, Knox, and Bray were found as Presbyterian families who were in Somerset County prior to 1700. These names would all be Scotch-Irish in origins. Polk and Knox are known to have direct Scottish origins. Ephraim Wilson a! nd Thomas Wilson were the sons of Rev. Thomas Wilson who was the first pastor of Manokin Presbyterian Congregation.) This is somewhat sloppy but it is all we have at present and at best gives us a direction for paper investigation. The Haplogroup identification was a result of testing my Y Chromosome which FTDNA performed. Glenn

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Bray, Bradford, Whitaker, Cantey, Wiggins, Crowell Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/5gF.2ACIB/1256.1 Message Board Post: Glenn - Are your Bray's Haplotype "I"? Have just begun tracing my grandmothers MATERNAL line and have come to ANGELICA who married JAMES BRAY, 1600's VA. Is this the Henry line? Any help would be appreciated. This is the Mitochondrial line I will be dealing with: 1. ANGELICA ? m. James Bray, VA 2. ANGELICA BRAY m. Henry Baker, VA 3. CATHERINE BAKER m. John Wiggins, VA>NC 4. CATHERINE WIGGINS m. William Whitaker VA>NC>SC 5. MARTHA WHITAKER m. James Cantey SC>GA 6. SARAH CATHERINE CANTEY m. Henry Bradford Crowell SC>GA>AL 7. MARY EMMA CROWELL m. James A. Whitaker FL>GA>AL 8. MARTHA ELIZABETH WHITAKER m. Robert Fort Bradford FL>AL 9. ELIZABETH FORT BRADFORD m. Frank Jeter Bickerstaff website: www.bradfordgenealogy.org Not all info is up yet but interesting that this Bradford line is haplotype "I". You Bray's should jump on this Genetic Genealogy wagon, combining it with your traditional paper research and have a grand ride! Any help with the ancestors of Angelica/James Bray would be greatly appreciated. (By the way all direct female descendants of Angelica will have the same mtDNA signature, just hard to track through so many different surnames over 250+ years, descendants will number in the thousands.) Regards, Becky Mosely

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Bray Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/5gF.2ACIB/1261 Message Board Post: I'm looking for information on my g.g.g.grandparents Ike and Nancy Bray, whose children included MD (Day), Elijah, Coe, Frank, John, Jim (killed in Civil War), Fannie, and Huldah Bray Rooks. They lived in Tennessee, and MD and Huldah both settled in Moran, Texas (Shackelford County.) Any information will be greatly appreciated!

Peter May, Thanks Peter for your info about Joseph Bray.I am not even sure my Joseph Bray was born in England or Ireland, and I have assumed he was English because he was a Sapper in the 10th Company, royal Engineers in Co. Cork (Spike Island) Ireland, My first info is when he applied to his C O for permission to marry in 1857. He then married Margaret Chapman there in 1858.. My Grandfather, Joseph Bray, (later known in Australia as Chapman, ) was born 1858 and a daughter Mary Jane was born in 1862. Mother Margaret died a few days later, probably as a result of childbirth. That is all I know althogh it is said he was sent to Canada as a Corporal and deserted ther in 1863. I am not sure if this is true though.I have been batleing the PRP (Nat. Arch.) site for over a month trying to find out more about him but find it a very frustating dite to navigate and have got niwhere. To make it harder I am now seriously site impaired in my old age so pardon my typing mistakes. It is also hard to resd the sites but I won't give up while I can still manage something. Regards, Lex Campbell, Sydney Australia.

OK! so here is an researcher of English BRAYs I am looking for any information of the family of my GGgrandfather Joseph BRAY born in Bradford Yorkshire in 1823 From the 1861 census I have this information Joseph Bray - Head of the family - age 38 - born in Bradford, Yorkshire, and a railway contractor Mary Bray - wife - age 34 - born in Scotland James - son - 11 - born in Harogate Mary - daughter - 10 - Harogate Josephine - daughter - 9 - born in the East Indies Edith - daughter - 7 - born in the East Indies Norman - son - 6 - Tonbridge, Kent Gertrude - daughter - 4 - East Indies Claude - son - 2 - Havering Theresa - daughter - 9 months Edith was my Ggrandmother. She died in 1881 in Bournemouth aged 29 Any information would be gratefully received Peter MAY in Yorkshire .> > > ==== BRAY Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Hello afain from Sydney Australia, It seems almost every query and comment on these sites relates to American Brat/Chapman familie. This of course is part of the function BUT where are the English and Irish researchers? Lex Campbell

I BEIEVE the James Bray and wife Mary I am looking for is, per 1860 census, Eastern Division, Pike Co., AL: James W bray, age 36, farmer, b. GA Mary A, wife, age 36, b. GA Permelia C, dtr, age 15 Martha E, dtr, age 11 Living next door: John Bray, age 42 Nancy, wife, age 33 Mary, age 16 William, age 18 Louisa, age 15 Melvina, age 12 Edith, age 11 Jasper, age 7 Frances, age 2 Julia, age 1 month My Mary's husband died and she remarried a Yarbrough. I am thinking perhaps he died during the War. She was listed in a census as living with ther daughter, Martha E and son-in-law Elie English. Martha ----- Original Message ----- From: "DixieMom" <southerncross@pgtc.com> To: <BRAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 3:50 PM Subject: [BRAY-L] James Bray and Mary > My great grandfather was William Harrison Bray who was born 1873 in Georgia. > On his death certificate it states that he was born in Athens, Ga. and his > parents are listed as Jim Bray and Mary Brown, both listed as born in Ga. > Because you mentioned a James Bray and wife Mary I thought I'd send this > information along. It is just this kind of clue that often leads us to > another connection! You never know. :) > > I haven't found any records of Jim(James?) and Mary so far and nothing about > any siblings of my great grandfather. > > Donna Schwieder > Arkansas > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <john3498@bellsouth.net> > To: <BRAY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 6:51 AM > Subject: Re: [BRAY-L] Chatham Co Bray family > > > > Does your line possibly migrate to Ga- AL - FL? I am looking for a Martha > > Ellen Bray, daughter, I believe, of a James Bray and Mary ?, b ca 1848 in > > GA, m. Eli English ca 1872 in Troy, AL. > > Martha English Johnson > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <Rvlatn23@aol.com> > > To: <BRAY-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 2:36 PM > > Subject: Re: [BRAY-L] Chatham Co Bray family > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a direct descendant of Chatham County Brays is there anything I can > > > help you with. I am glad to swap information > > > > > > Mel Ellis > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== BRAY Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > ==== BRAY Mailing List ==== > > Bray Family GenConnect Query Board at: > > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Bray > > > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== BRAY Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Hi This is also my line. My understand about Martha Scott was that her father was Abraham Scott of Phil. Pa. They where, as I have learn, black. Not native Americans. Our family story is that they where married in Phil. Pa and later moved to NC. Her father's will gave Martha a slave, which Peter later sold. Some thought that Abraham was a Quaker. However after many years of working with Quaker records (in my Dickson line) I have found no record of him. However Peter and Martha do show up in one entry in Hinshaw vol 1. Peter was thought to have been a short redhead preacher. I am currently working on his parents and feel sure I am close to nailing them down. Right now I am waiting for proof before I post it. But I have been working in the Sussex area of England. If he was indeed Quaker, there is little chance that we would ever find a record of him coming to the colonies. When people came from England, they had to take an Oath to the Crown. Quaker would not take the Oath, so they would get passage other ways. Case in point my Dickson ancestor worked on the ship that brought him over. Once here, he just walked off. I find this family so interesting...The spent several years in Pa, then Va. then later in NC. By the way, several of the children where born in Va. Little is know about their childhood. But, they left a good trail of land ownership. I have been to Littleberry's old land as well as a cabin that belonged to Henry C. Bray. One of my ancestor and the former treasurer of Surry Co. about the time of the Civil War. It was his son William that died at Gettsyburg and his other son Robert who was captured most of the time. Henry C. died shortly after his eldest son. Some say he upon hearing the news, he walked out of the cabin and right in the Yakin River. Not sure if that was true, but he did die shortly afterwards. sorry to go on like that.... Glee

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/5gF.2ACIB/264.453.462.466 Message Board Post: I'm writing in reply to your message found on ancestry.com in regard to Vellora Whorf Bray. She married my Uncle Bradford Bray in the early 1960s after the death on 14 May 1958 of his first wife, Charlotte Crockett. Vellora and her friend, Marion Goldbach, sold their property on Green's Island across the Reach from Vinalhaven to my brother on May 12, 1964. Vellora and Marion had purchased the property from our grandmother in 1936 so it returned to the Bray family. Vellora had no further use for the property after she married Uncle Brad and moved to his home on Vinalhaven. When Vellora could no longer manage the home on Vinalhaven, she moved to an assisted care facility in Rockland, Maine. I don't have an exact date of her death but I'm thinking it was either in the late 1970s or early 1980s. Her records would probably be at Rockland City Hall or Vinalhaven. She was cremated and her ashes strewn over the Reach in Vinalhaven. I attended the service which was beautiful! ly held aboard a lobster boat with people who knew her alongside in their skiffs. A wreath was thrown out and friends threw wildflowers they knew she loved over the water, also. It was a very lovely service. Hope this helps.

My great grandfather was William Harrison Bray who was born 1873 in Georgia. On his death certificate it states that he was born in Athens, Ga. and his parents are listed as Jim Bray and Mary Brown, both listed as born in Ga. Because you mentioned a James Bray and wife Mary I thought I'd send this information along. It is just this kind of clue that often leads us to another connection! You never know. :) I haven't found any records of Jim(James?) and Mary so far and nothing about any siblings of my great grandfather. Donna Schwieder Arkansas ----- Original Message ----- From: <john3498@bellsouth.net> To: <BRAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 6:51 AM Subject: Re: [BRAY-L] Chatham Co Bray family > Does your line possibly migrate to Ga- AL - FL? I am looking for a Martha > Ellen Bray, daughter, I believe, of a James Bray and Mary ?, b ca 1848 in > GA, m. Eli English ca 1872 in Troy, AL. > Martha English Johnson > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Rvlatn23@aol.com> > To: <BRAY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 2:36 PM > Subject: Re: [BRAY-L] Chatham Co Bray family > > > > > > > > I am a direct descendant of Chatham County Brays is there anything I can > > help you with. I am glad to swap information > > > > Mel Ellis > > > > > > > > ==== BRAY Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== BRAY Mailing List ==== > Bray Family GenConnect Query Board at: > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Bray > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Mel, have you come across any reference to a Peter Bray, b abt 1718? He married Martha Scott, b abt 1730, probably in Bertie or Northampton Co, NC about 1742. Martha's family were "free persons of color," but I do not know what combination of races, as that was a general title at the time for free persons of mixed White, Indian or Black ancestry. Peter's family settled in Surry Co, NC. His son, Littleberry Bray, was listed as early as 1774 on the Martin Armstrong District Tax List for Surry Co. Most of his land holding were on Bull Run River, a tributary of the Ararat River, and some on Cody's Creek and Fisher River. His brother, David Bray, b abt 1743, married Amy Pace, b abt 1755, and remained in Surry Co, NC. Other members of the family moved on to Hawkins and Clairborne Co, TN, and Knox/Pulaski Co, KY. My line was from Pulaski Co, KY. So far no researcher in our Brays has been able to locate any reference to Peter's parents. I have wondered if there is not a close connection to your line of Brays. Bob Bray Cincinnati, OH

I agree. I never put anything down as "for sure" unless I have documentations to back it. I have found cousins who are certain that they are right but will skip an entire generation --- a man can father a child when he is 60 or 70, but can a woman have a child at that age? As a result, my research is all very slow, because I want it to be correct. The internet resources certainly help. Martha ----- Original Message ----- From: <CABWEBB@aol.com> To: <BRAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [BRAY-L] Check out lostdove > Jim, > Thank you so much for the "tutorial" on genealogical sources. This was > certainly a good review for all of us. I agree that the internet has made us a > little "lazy" in our research, and I am one of those people. Before I had a > computer, I would spend hours at the library, the archives and the Family History > Centers. That was when I got the best and most "accurate" sources. Now, I see so > many "cousins" putting out information that we want to believe is a primary > source when actually it is only a secondary source. We tend to play "leap frog" > over the real documented facts because its too difficult to research the > "real" ones. But, on the other hand, some of us are "stuck" and won't budge an inch > to move forward. I hate to see our Brays give up "the ghost" (no pun > intended) just because we can't get to a certain source. Would it be possible for some > of the very experienced people (such as you) to throw out some questions to > the Bray group so that some of us can look for the answers and report back to > this site? I think if we really want to make some headway into finding our > Brays in Europe, we need to forge ahead and not give up. Teamwork is the way to do > it. For example, how about a "roll call" with everyone's name and how they > are related to the Chatham family group. Also, if we could just put a brief > address (city,county,state) we could see who is closest to which source. For > example, I have a National Archives very close to where I live in SoCA, but I can't > get to a cemetery in Chatham Co. Does any of this make sense? Let's "rally up > the bandwagon" and try to get some feedback! Anybody up for suggestions? > So much for my rantings. > Carol > > > ==== BRAY Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Does your line possibly migrate to Ga- AL - FL? I am looking for a Martha Ellen Bray, daughter, I believe, of a James Bray and Mary ?, b ca 1848 in GA, m. Eli English ca 1872 in Troy, AL. Martha English Johnson ----- Original Message ----- From: <Rvlatn23@aol.com> To: <BRAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [BRAY-L] Chatham Co Bray family > > > I am a direct descendant of Chatham County Brays is there anything I can > help you with. I am glad to swap information > > Mel Ellis > > > > ==== BRAY Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Bray Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/mbexec/msg/5538/5gF.2ACIB/1260 Message Board Post: George Bray(b1836) married Sophia.They had 10 children. Eliza Ann 1859 James 1861 Benjamin 1865 Walter 1865 Arthur 1871 George 1874 Charles 1876 Squire 1879 Frederick 1879 John William 1879 Georges parents were James and Ann.

any information that you are willing to contribute to this family Looking for Henry Bray wife Mary daughter Elizabeth Bray Poe ( also any Poe family that you have there ) dates of any marriages land records any information i s great that would help us establish this familys background thank you Patricia Caviness Perkins ----- Original Message ----- From: <CABWEBB@aol.com> To: <BRAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [BRAY-L] Bray, Old Henry (real old Henry) > I have a list of Brays who were living in Williamsburg, VA in the colonial > days. They had a family "bench" with their name on it at the village church. You > can still see the area where they lived and they were also well-known for > founding a school for black children. I always wondered if this is where the > Brays settled before they went to Chatham Co. > Let me know if you want these names. I know that the College of William and > Mary (down the road from the church) has tons of genealogical records on the > families of Williamsburg. There is also a wonderful Historical Group set up just > for the Williamsburg area. I have been meaning to contact them but wanted to > hear from other Brays who had data of "possible" VA>NC migrations. > Please advise. > Carol > > > ==== BRAY Mailing List ==== > Help keep free Genealogy on the Internet.. > Join Rootsweb Genealogical Data Cooperative > http://www.rootsweb.com > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

I have a list of Brays who were living in Williamsburg, VA in the colonial days. They had a family "bench" with their name on it at the village church. You can still see the area where they lived and they were also well-known for founding a school for black children. I always wondered if this is where the Brays settled before they went to Chatham Co. Let me know if you want these names. I know that the College of William and Mary (down the road from the church) has tons of genealogical records on the families of Williamsburg. There is also a wonderful Historical Group set up just for the Williamsburg area. I have been meaning to contact them but wanted to hear from other Brays who had data of "possible" VA>NC migrations. Please advise. Carol

Mel, Yes, that would be great. My great-grandfather, Edward Gamaliel Bray, son of Thomas Bray and Jane Welch, must have lived in the St.Louis area for awhile. He married my great-grandmother, Elizabeth Richards, daughter of James Richards and Sarah Moore, in St. Louis and on the night of their wedding rode the train to CA. My grandfather, John Briggs Bray, was born in Winters, Yolo Co. CA on 13 Dec. 1871. Do you have a Richard Bray in your line? He was my 3rd great-grandfather and came from Chatham Co. NC to settle in Monroe Co. KY and I think Knox Co. TN for awhile in the early 1800's. Thanks for your help. Carol

I have information as a direct descendant myself of the Brays of Chatham County as one of them moved to southeast Missouri. If you would like that please advise. Mel Ellis St. Louis MO

Hi all, I don't believe the 110 or 113 data either, but I did have a (g......) grandfather to make it to 106. So I suppose it's possible, but I agree with the person who said you gotta go with what the records tell us. If the records are primary records or bible information. Iam