This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: karyng01 Surnames: Brashears, Thompson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.brashears/434/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, Does anyone know if Mary Ann Brashears and Eleazer Thompson (married 07 Oct. 1796 in Nelson County, KY) had any children? Thanks, Karyn Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Novbabies2 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.brashears/425.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Sorry, I got that all wrong! She was still the sister of my ancestor Luther Roddy! :-) She must have been the daughter of William and Charlotte Peters Roddy? Somehow she's a half sister! Do you have pics of William Roddy? I know where he is buried and have a pic of his gravestone. I guess the story I confused is that William Roddy was married before Charlotte to Martha Carson and it is speculated that Martha was married before him and brought two daughters to their marriage. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Novbabies2 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.brashears/425.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Becky, I would love info on Ida Bell Roddy. She was the sister of my ancestor, Luther Roddy. It has been speculated that she was only a half sister and that her father is unknown, perhaps with the last name of Thomas? Her mother was Martha Carson. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: nicolettemarie3 Surnames: Trice, Brashear Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.brashears/393.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello I am also doing some family research on the surnames Trice and Brashear. I would like to share with you the information that i have and was hoping you would be able to do the same. Please get back to me when you get this. Thank you. -Nicole Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. <br>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dsegelquist Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.brashears/232.5.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I can't help you this time around, Sorry. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dmerlyn Surnames: Brashears Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.brashears/232.5/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am researching family of Enoch and Louisa Brashears. I do not know in which Brashear family Enoch belongs. He is not listed as the families arrive in Indian Territory in 1832 so I'm assuming he was born in the Indian Territory, but I find there were 3 families, Benjamin, Lewis and Vaughn Brashears. My great grandmother, Isabel is listed as a 1/2 Choctaw and was born in Indian Territory. I am trying to learn which Brashear family we are connected from Mississippi. Any help would be appreciated. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Christine_Benya Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.brashears/55.58.63.68/mb.ashx Message Board Post: y grandmother was Estelle Ermine Brashears,Her fathrr was William Jackson Brashears and was married to Laura M. Smith. My tree is not public as I have not completed enrering what I have. My information comes from my family and Boble records. I will be glad to share with you. My E-mail address is cbenya@wadsnet.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: redneckinit Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.brashears/392.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you! I will take a look at the link to that book! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: redneckinit Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.brashears/392.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My mother is M. LaVerne Logue. Her mother was Bessie Jane Finks, daughter of Patsy. Mom told me that her grand-mother's name was Christine Harrison (related to the Harrison Presidents)too, but all I can find is the Eliza Christine Shulse connection that you mentioned. A number of other relatives of ours show Shulse. I have tried to research the Harrison angle, but to no avail. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: conniejacks168 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.brashears/392.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks for the response, my connection to Patsy Christine Brashear, father William Brashear, is through my mother Bobbie Ringgold, whose mother is Ettie Mae Finks Branom, whose mother was Etta Christine Brashear Finks whose mother was Patsy. Mom thought Patsy's mother's maiden name was Christine Harrison, but I found a book on the internet (huge book) that said her mothers name was Eliza Christine Schulze. Does this correspond to your information? My tree is the Jacks Family tree (my maiden name) Wish someone out there had pictures, I continue to look. My mom wondered who your connection was, let us know, always good to find family members. Connie Jacks Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi Patsy Brashear's great granddaughter You didn't give your email, or name, or the realitionship of lynda, so I can't contact you. It may not matter, since I put everything I know in the books, and am now on other projects. Cheers, Charlie -- Charles Brashear 1940 Neotomas Ave Santa Rosa, CA 95405 www.charlesbrashear.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: redneckinit Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.brashears/392.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I'm not sure if you are still a member, but if so, and you are still searching for names of children of Christian and William, please send me an email. I am Patsy Brashear's great granddaughter. Lynda email is: punkies (@) sbcglobal (dot) net --of course all of that is grouped together! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Sorry it's been so long! I had a hard time with Paul's passing......so back to genealogy! In all the confusion of moving

Hi, Charles, Sorry to send this personal note to the list, but couldn't get it to any other way!! Long time no talk, as my Indian ancestors would probably say. I haven't around the computer since Paul died, and someone stole my address book. New address: 5000 Fawn Meadow Apt. #219 San Antonio, TX 78240 Same phone: 210-657-1671 I'll have to go on your web site because I will have to replace your books I bought. They didn't make the journey to my new home. I live in an Independent Senior Community. It is called Patroit Heights. I can't get into my FTM to continue my research. I don't remember where we left off with my Brashear, so will be ordering new books!! Mary Anne Cartwright Giamona

Hello Brashear(s) cousins and researchers. Repeat after me: "Just because it's on the internet or in a book, doesn't mean it's true. You need documentation." I've learned this in 42 years of researching. Ask the most experienced researcher you know! Charles Brashears' two posts today (in my opinion) finish off the interesting BUT NOT OURS nobility nonsense about the de Brassier connection, and the Elizabeth Fowke connection. He has found NO documentation for either. So interesting, yes -- but not ours. Charlie seems too modest to mention the nine books he has published on Benois Brassieur, his ancestors and descendants. (Yes, he gives his documentation.) At his website, www.charlesbrashear.com, look in the text (not publications lists) for "A Brashear(s) Family History." Click for titles of the nine volumes and ordering information. Cheers, Dolly in Maryland ====

HI all, Some question has come up recently about Elizabeth Fowke being the wife of Robert Brasseur/Brashear. I hope the following will end such rumors. I notice that the indentation system is screwy. You have to follow the Alphabetic-numbers to follow the generations. *Captain Zachariah Brazier’s first marriage ** South Carolina Marriages, 1688-1799*, comp. Brent H. Holcomb, 1983: *Zacheriah Brazier* & *Mary Ann Fairfax*, 7 Apr 1740, P. License, St. Phillip's. * Ships Registers in the SC Archives, 1734-1780*, all Charleston, SC: 29 May 1745, Zechariah Brazier, Master of Schooner "Friendship" 30 Oct 1746, Zachariah Brasier, Owner of Schooner "Molley" 18 May 1748, Zachariah Braisier, Master of Schooner "Banjo" 25 May 1749, Zachariah Brazier, Master of Brigantine "Dolphin" * The Papers of Henry Laurens*, v.1, p.43: "For some days past, a Small Privateer has infested our coast, drove one of the Winyaw Pettiaugas aground & then plunder'd her, but the People escaped to shore & afterward got her off again." This is apparently the same incident reported in the *Gazette*, of Aug 24, 1747, per footnote in Laurens Papers: "Capt *Brazier* sailed from hence to Winyaw, and was chased soon after he got over this bar by a Spanish Privateer; but, being well acquainted with the Coast, he ran his vessel ashore, and retired with his crew unseen by the Enemy; Saw the privateer's boat come on board his Schooner, and (upon a hard Gale of Wind coming on) go off again, upon which he immediately re-took possession, got her off and sailed her into Bull's-Head inlet, off which place he was again chased." * Captain Zachariah Brazier and **Elizabeth Fowke * Several genealogies, including John Bennett Boddie’s, *Historical Southern Families,* show that Robert Offley, of London, England, m. Anne Osborne, d/o Sir Edward Osborne, Lord Mayor of London, and had (at least) daughters Ann and Sarah. a-1. Ann Offley, m. Robert Hays, b. c1601, came to Lower Norfolk, VA, 1637 b-1. Alexander Hays, b-2. Nathaniel Hays, moved to Prince George Co, VA b-3. Adam Hays, m. Susan Ivy, moved to Prince George Co, VA NOTE: a John Hays was first owner of a mill located on Hays Creek in Augusta Co, VA, 1742 a-2. Sarah Offley; m. Capt. Adam Thoroughgood, b-1. Elizabeth Thoroughgood, m. Capt. John Michael, b-2. Ann Thoroughgood, b. c1632; m.1. Job Chandler, m.2. c1661 (2nd wife of) *Col. **Gerard Fowke*, sixth son of Roger and Mary Fowke of Gunston Hall, Staffordshire, England; Gentleman of the Bed Chamber to Charles I and Col. in Royal Army; he escaped to VA in 1651 after the battle of Worcester. He was a Burgess of Westmoreland Co, VA in 1663, merchant and planter; owned "Geneston," "Cedar Hill," "Hill Top," in VA and "Port Tobacco" in Charles Co, MD; d. 1669, MD. Children of Col. Gerard Fowke and Ann Thoroughgood, per "M.H.M. XVI--No.1, March, 1921," cited in a note in *Across the Years in Prince George's County *, p.136: c-1. Adam Fowke, d. young c-2. Elizabeth Fowke, m. William Dent, c-3. Gerard Fowke Jr, m. 1686, Sarah Burdett, of Charles Co, MD Children of Gerard Fowke and Sarah Burdett, per *Across the Years*: d-1. Gerard Fowke, died single d-2. *Capt. Chandler Fowke, m. Mary Tassaker, of VA d-3. Roger Fowke, m. Ann Stone, d-4. Anne Fowke, m. Roger Alexander, founder of Alexandria, VA d-5. Frances Fowke, m. Dr. Gustavus Brown, of Charles Co, MD e-5. Anne Brown, m. Rev. Samuel Claggett, father (by his first wife, Elizabeth Gantt) of Rev. Thomas John Claggett, first Bishop of the Protestant Episcopal Church in America, consecrated 1792. d-6. Catherine Fowke, m. Ellsworth Bayne, d-7. * Elizabeth Fowke, m. Col. William Philips. c-4. Mary Fowke, m. her cousin, George Mason, s/o Col. George Mason, progenitor of "Gunston Hall," VA, and author of the Virginia Bill of Rights (per *Dinwiddie Papers*, p.xiii; also listed in *Across the Years*). I've put another generation in here (over what Boddie has), based on Philips and Fowke family records, which are corroborated by Brown and Claggett family records and the record in *Across the Years*. A son born between 1661 when Col. Gerard Fowke married Mrs. Ann (Thoroughgood) Chandler, and 1669, when he died, would be 47-54 years old when Capt. Chandler Fowke married Mary Tassaker in 1716. Considering that Chandler and Mary had 12 children, that's getting started awfully late. We need a Gerard Fowke Jr, s/o Col. Gerard Fowke and Ann Thoroughgood, to be parents of the Gerard Fowke, who m. Sarah Burdett and was father of the Capt. Chandler Fowke who m. Ann Tassaker and the Elizabeth Fowke, who m. Col. William Philips. This portion of an old [1857] genealogy confuses the first Gerard Fowke in this country with the Gerard Fowke, Esq, of King George Co, VA, who m. Sarah Burdett and/or Elizabeth Dinwiddie. "Col. Gerard Fowke was the first of his name who came to this country. He was Colonel in the British Army, and Gentleman of the Privy Chamber to Charles I. He came to Virginia about the time that his unfortunate monarch was beheaded. One of his sons settled in Maryland. His son, Chandler Fowke, Esq, settled in King George Co, VA. He had three sons--Chander, Gerard, and Richard. Chandler married a Miss Harrison, Gerard married a Miss Dinwiddie, and Richard married a Miss Bumbary. Their sister, Elizabeth Fowke, married a Mr. Z. Brazier, (son of Robert Brazier, of Isle of Thanet, Kent Co, Eng). [Overwharton Parish records in Brown Family records, see below, say Gerard, 1718; Elizabeth, 1727; Chandler, 1732, and Richard, 1741, were children Capt. Chandler Fowke and Mary Tassaker, who m. 1716 in Stafford Co, VA. There *has* to be another generation in here! The Philips family records also require another generation.] Chandler, the eldest of the children [he wasn't eldest], had three sons-- William, John, and Thomas. William married his first cousin, Jenny Fowke, of Maryland, and John went south with his sister, Jenny. "Mr. Gerard Fowke (the second brother) had issue also-- Chandler and Roger, who went south; Gerard; William (m. a Miss Bronaugh); Robert Dinwiddie (m. a Miss Peachy); Elizabeth (m. Col William Philips of Stafford; error: he's a generation off); and another dau (who m. Mr. Johnston and resided in KY). " Richard Fowke, Esq, died in the Army. He also left a family." (ref: *Old Churches, Ministers, and Families of VA*, by Bishop Wm. Meade, Gen. Publ Co, orig: 1857, reprint: 1978, pp.482-3). d-2. Capt. Chandler Fowke, of Virginia, son of Gerard Fowke Jr, Esq, and Sarah Burdett, m. c1716, Mary Tassaker, eldest d/o Col. Richard Tassaker, Stafford Co, VA, who settled in King George Co, VA, having inherited "Pasipatanzy," later removed to "Gunston Hall," Stafford Co, where he died. Capt. Chandler Fowke, of Gunston Hall, in Stafford Co, d. 10 Feb 1745 (ref. Parish Registers of St. Paul, King George Co, and Aquia and Overwharton Parishes, Stafford Co, as given in *VA Genealogies*, "Brown Family," p.157; FHL fiche #6046678). Chandler and Mary (Tassaker) Fowke had 12 children, of whom Gerard, Chandler, Richard, and Elizabeth had children, which may be why Bishop Meade thought they only had three sons and a daughter: e-1. Chandler Fowke Jr, b. 7 Nov 1717; d. young? name re-used e-2. Gerard Fowke, b. c1718, d. 1781; m. Elizabeth Dinwiddie, d/o Lawrence Dinwiddie, Provost of Glasgow, Scotland, and niece of Robert Dinwiddie, Gov. of VA. f-1. Chandler Fowke, went south f-2. Roger Fowke, went south f-3. William Fowke, m. Miss Bronaugh f-4. Robert Dinwiddie Fowke, m. Miss Peachy f-5. Elizabeth Fowke, f-6. __dau__ Fowke, m. Mr. Johnson, res. in KY e-3. William Chandler Fowke, b. Sept 1723, d. young? name re-used. e-4. John Fowke, b. 17 Jan 1724/5, d. 16 Apr 1740 e-5. *Elizabeth Fowke*, b. 27 Apr 1727 (Overwharton Parish Records); m.1. Richard Buckner; m.2. 12 Nov 1759 (St. Paul Parish Records; see also pre-nuptial agreement below), *Capt. **Zachariah Brazier*, 1715-1797 (Stafford & Prince Co, VA), son of Robert Brazier of Isle of Thanet, Kent Co, England... one child. f-1. *Sarah Harrison Brazier*, m. Jonathan Cannon, s/o Luke Cannon of Ireland and had children: g-1. Grandison Cannon, d. bef. 1857 g-2. Elizabeth Cannon, d. bef. 1857 g-3. John Cannon, g-4. Sarah Edith Cannon, d. bef. 1857; m. 14 May1817, her cousin, Col. William Fowke Phillips Sr, b. 1795, s/o her aunt d7. Elizabeth (Fowke) Philips. See below. e-6. Ann Fowke, b. 6 Feb 1729, d. 8 Dec 1732; name re-used e-7. Chandler Fowke, "youngest son of Chandler and Mary Fowkes," b. 3 May 1732, d. 18 Feb 1810; m. Mary Harrison f-1. William Fowke, m. his first cousin, Jenny Fowke, of MD f-2. John Fowke, went south with his sister, Jenny f-3. Thomas Fowke, f-4. Jenny Fowke, e-8. Sarah Fowke, b. 10 Aug 1734, d. 14 Oct 1739 e-9. Ann Fowke, "youngest daughter of Chandler and Mary Fowke," b. 4 Apr 1737; m. ?Hooe e-10. Susanna Fowke, b. 27 Oct 1739; m. 15 Mar 17__, Henry Payton e-11. Richard Fowke, b. 11 Dec 1741; m. 16 Mar 1760, Anne Bunbury; Richard died in the Army, but left a family also. e-12. William Fowke, b. 31 May 1743, d. 2 Dec 1743 d-7. Elizabeth Fowke, d/o Gerard Fowke Jr and Sarah Burdett, m. Col. William Philips, b. c1746, Stafford Co, VA, s/o James Philips of South Wales and a Miss Griffin of Stafford Co. William Philips was High-Sheriff of Stafford, and died about 1797. Col. William Philips and Elizabeth Fowke had twelve children, "six of whom are now living [Bishop Meade, 1857]", including: e-1. __dau__ Philips, b. c1774 (83 in 1857), "the eldest," m. _____ Jones e-12. Col. William Fowke Philips Sr, b. c1795 (62 in 1857, "the youngest"; m. his cousin Sarah Edith Cannon (gd/o *Zachariah Brazier*), of Prince William County, VA, by whom he had seven children: f-1. Laura Philips, f-2. Mary Caroline Philips, f-3. William Fowke Philips Jr, f-4. Laura E.S. Philips, m. Wm. B. Carr of London Co, VA, f-5. *Dinwiddie Brazier* Philips, m. Miss Nannie F. Walden, d/o William Walden of Rapp Co, VA, f-6. Virginia Edith Philips, f-7. Roberta Gustavia Philips. Much the same data on Zachariah is given in *The Dinwiddie Papers*, v.1. p.xxiii, where he is referred to as Zachariah Brazier. * Their Pre-Nuptial Arrangements * Capt. Zachariah Brazier and Mrs. Elizabeth (Fowke) Buckner, widow, married when he was 44 and she was 32, which seems to have been of some concern to the parties: *Stafford Co, VA*, Deed Bk P, p.241-3: This indenture tripartite made 5th November 1759, between Capt ZACHARIAS BRAZIER of the one part, and Mrs. ELIZABETH BUCKNER, of County of Stafford, Widow, of second part, and GERARD FOOKE & CHANDLER FOWKE, of sd County, Gent, and JAMES BOWIE, of Town of Port Royal, Merchant, of third part, Whereas a Marriage by God is shortly to be had between the sd Zacharia & Elizabeth, and Elizabeth is now possessed in her own right of a number of Negroe slaves, among them the following (6 named, but not in the copy I have)... Now, this indenture witnesseth that Elizabeth in consideration of the Intended Marriage and with consent of said Zacharias that a suitable and comfortable provision may be made for her in case she survives him, doth grant to said Gerard Fooke, Chandler Fooke, and James Bowie, the said Negroes upon the Trusts and to purposes mentioned, That is to say, that ...[Zacharias] will permitt the said Elizabeth and her assigns to hold said Negroes and take the rent and profits thereof to her own proper use untell the said Marriage shall take effect and after solumnized ... [Elizabeth] will permit said Zacharias and his assigns to enjoy the same and take the rent and profits during his natural life [and?] after death of Zacharias will permit Elizabeth and her assigns to possess so long as she shall live and upon [death] Trustees ... shall devide among all and every the Sons and Daughters of sd Zacharias and Elizabeth - if they leave any such issue, provided if Elizabeth should happen to survive Zacharias without leaving any issue of this Marriage, that then the Negroes with their increase remain to said Elizabeth and her heirs, as if sd Marriage had never taken effect. /s/ Zachr. Brazier /s/ Elizabeth Buckner Presence Wm. Stuart, Zachr. Taliaferro, Mary Taliaferro, Susanne Fooke At Court held for Stafford County, 13th November 1759, Deed of Contract admitted to record. Zachariah's and Elizabeth's dates look exactly a century too late to be part of the Brasseur/Brashear family: Zachariah and Elizabeth (Fowke) Brazier would need to be born c1627, not 1715 and/or 1727, to be related to our Robert Brasseur of Isle of Thanet. * Brazier Family of Kent Co, England * Now, second think: there *was*, since ancient times, a *Brazier* family in Kent. "The southern side of Leavesgreen (the remainder of which is in Keston) is within this parish [Cowdham], where there is an old mansion called *"Old Court"* or *"Old House"*, which was for many generations, and till lately, the residence of the Braziers; it is now [1797] called Leavesgreen farm, and belongs to the widow of George Butler, esq. There is much coppice wood dispersed over several parts of it." (Vol.2, p.60 of *History and Topographical Survey of the County of Kent*, by Edward Hasted, 12 Vols, publ Canterbury, 1797-1801; repr. E.P.Publ, Ltd, 1972). "Cowdham is within the ecclesiastical jurisdiction of the diocese of Rochester, and deanry of Dartford. The Church is dedicated to St. Peter and St. Paul ... In this church ... are ... monuments and inscriptions ... for the family of Brazier, of "Old House," in this parish ... (same ref. Vol.2, p.74-5). Zachariah seems to me to be from an altogether different family. -- Charles Brashear 1940 Neotomas Ave Santa Rosa, CA 95405 www.charlesbrashear.com

Hi all, I think I can prove that the Brassier family and the Brasseur/Brashear family are TWO distinct families. Here is some of my research: *The Brassier de Jocas Family * compiled by Charles Brashear 1940 Neotomas Ave Santa Rosa, CA 95405 <brashear@mail.sdsu.edu> January 15, 2005 A good number of researchers have tried for quite a long time to link our Brasseur/Brashear family to the Brassier de Jocas family of Pernes-la-Fontaine and Carpentras, some 20-25 miles east of Avignon in southern France. I spent several months in France in 2003, and (amid my sight seeing) I did some genealogical research. Here is some of what I found on the Brassier de Jocas Family. References: 1. *Histoire de la Noblesse du Comté-Venaissin*, pp. 185-190; 2. *Essai Généalogiques Sur la Noblesse du Comté-Vanaissin, et de la Ville d-Avignon*, Vol 1, printed in Carpentras in 1782 by Dominique-Gaspard Quenin, Imprimeur de la Province (Printer for the province), pp. 235-238; 3. *Histoire de la Noblesse du Comté-Venaissin*, by Jean-Antoine Pithon-Curt, Lafitte Reprints, Marseille, 1970, vol 1, pp. 522-523, vol 2, pp. 129, 163, vol. 3, pp. 379, 509, vol 4, pp. 71-72; 4. "Généalogie de la Famille Brassier, Marquis de Jocas, Seigneurs de Saint-Simon de la Plane, du Pin, de Camboulan, de Vallade, etc," in *Revue historique de la Noblesse* (a journal, "Historical Review of the Nobility," on which I could not find a date or volume number), pp. 233-254; 5. and, of course, the source that Peter Brashear brought back to the U.S. in 1926: *Noblaire Universel Racueil General des Genealogies Historiques et Veridiques des Maison Nobles de L’Europe*, published by M. Le Vicomte de Magny. (Most of what I say below is from ref #1, which most of the others follow. Refs #4 and #5 are the only ones that follow the Rouergue Branch of the family.) * Laurence Brassier, of Reims * #1. *Laurence Brassier* was a gentleman of the City of Reims, province of Champagne, France. (Reims is in northern France, a couple hours’ drive northeast of Paris.) Laurence Brassier is mentioned in a military document in 1408 as the "recently deceased" father of Jean Brassier. Jean Brassier was a volunteer and apparently a leader (Lt. at first; Capt. later) in the militia formed about 1408 by Geoffrey le Maingre-Boussicaud to besiege the Anti-Pope, Benoit (Benedict) XIII, at Avignon. Reference #2. notes that one finds in the domestic papers of the noble Jean Brassier a deed that names Jean Brassier as a son of Laurence Brassier, of Reims. (I have not seen this deed.) >From these records, I infer two things: 1. Jean Brassier was NOT the eldest son. The laws of primogeniture at the time insured that the entire estate of the deceased went to the eldest son. It was customary for younger sons to go into the priesthood or the army. It was also common for a generous father to "buy" the younger sons a place in the church or the army. (Generous donations can bend the rules.) It looks like Laurence bought Jean Brassier a commission in the forces of Geoffrey le Maingre-Boussicaud. (His descendants can be proud that Jean Brassier apparently did his job well, even if he was so young.) >From these records we can also infer, 2. that Laurence Brassier was a well-to-do man. He is referred to as "Gentleman" (Chevalier) in one record and as "noble" in another. I went to the Municipal Archives of Reims, at 7 Rue Cardinal Lorraine, a few miles south of Reims (phone: 011 (the international access number) + 33 (the country number for France) + 03.26.47.67.06 - the number for the archives), but I found no land record pertaining to Laurence Brassier. The land records on file simply do not go back far enough. Nor do the official vital statistics— births, marriages, deaths. We can only hope that some other source refers to the land or holdings or family of Laurence Brassier, which is not impossible. Some history of the region, some genealogy, some legal document we don’t know about may mention him and his family. Eventually, Jean Brassier (Jean de Brassier, Jean Brassier de Jocas) came to be recognized as a member of the nobility in Comté-Venaissin, the ancient province that lay between the Rhone River and the mountains to the east, in the vicinity of Avignon, in southern France. Jean Brassier was written up in several genealogies of the nobility. (See list of references.) These genealogies agree on the three marriages of Jean Brassier, but disagree on the number and names of his children. Jean Brassier’s descendants established four different, noble branches of the family: (1) the Lords and Marquises de Jocas, residing at Carpentras, a few miles north of Pernes; (2) the branch of Brassier de La Plane, direct issue in the second degree, who settled at Rouergue and became extinct with Bernard Brassier, a Knight of the Order of the Holy Ghost of Montpellier, in 1696; (3) the first branch of Brassier de Saint-Simon, descendants in the fourth degree, who settled in Germany; and (4) the second branch of Brassier de Saint-Simon, descendants in the seventh degree of the previous one, who "actually domiciled in the ancient Provence of Le Rouergue." * Jean Brassier, of Pernes-le-fontaine, etc * #2. *Jean Brassier* must have been a very young man in 1408. He lived until 1477. Assuming that he was at least 18 years old at the time of his commission, he would have been born c1390. That would have made him about 87 when he died— a very long life at that time, indeed! Geoffrey’s militia was apparently moderately successful. He confiscated the lands of the Anti-Pope, which included Pernes, Chateauneuf, Bouléne, and Bédarrides, in the province then called Comté-Venaissin, just east of Avignon. He seems to have had the idea of dividing the lands among his followers, perhaps to pay them for their services. "Captain" Jean Brassier received a bounty grant near Pernes. In 1415, Jean Brassier, still a member of Geoffrey’s forces, was taken prisoner at the Battle of Agincourt. He and Geoffrey (and others?) were taken to England as prisoners of war. In 1421, Geoffrey’s powerful brother, Jean le Maingre, Marechal de France, died. Jean and Geoffrey were apparently released at this time and returned to France. Meanwhile, the Anti-Pope was trying to retrieve the lands which Geoffrey had taken by force and violence. In 1426, Geoffrey le Maingre and Jean Brassier were again near Avignon, negotiating with the Avignon Pope. With the Rector of Comté-Venaissin, Geoffrey reached an agreement as to areas to be returned and a satisfactory pay-off to Geoffrey. But the agreement was short-lived. Some of Geoffrey’s impatient, unruly troops began raiding local villages, pillaging and destroying. Geoffrey and some of his Captains (including Captain Jean de la Porte) were brought to trial and ex-communicated. Jean Brassier was NOT among those punished. He had apparently established himself on his bounty lands near Pernes. About 1440, Jean Brassier moved to the City of Pernes, where his name is on various acts (leases and acknowledgments), dated 14 Feb 1446 (this one witnessed by Barthelemy de Venasque, of a very old, noble family; he later witnessed Jean Brassier’s marriage), 15 Feb 1449, before Claude Cornetti, Notary at Pernes, and 8 Jan 1456, before Guilaume Pichoni, Notary at Pernes. On 11 Jun 1449, Humbert de Rota, notary of Avignon, in a document executed in the Castle of Boulbon in Provence, remitted revenues to Jean de Brassier, which he had collected from Jean de la Porte, Lord (Seigneur) de Champeroux, of the diocese of Bourges, an indication that Jean Brassier was at least moderately well-to-do. (An indication also that excommunication did not damage Jean de la Porte significantly.) Jean Brassier married, first, *Antoinette de Maulsang*, sister of Antoine de Maulsang who was witness for Jean Brassier several times. Through Antoinette, Jean Brassier inherited land, but had no children. Antoinette was allied with the d’Agoult family (I think her mother was a d’Agoult), who owned an estate in Comté-Venaissin called "Jocas," as these record indicate: Lord (Seigneur) Humbert d’Agoult, living in 993, 1005, 1006; m. Alix _______ or Adelayde _______ , and had sons: 1. Rostain d’Agoult, who continued the family (oldest son) 2. Guillaume d’Agoult, Prince of Apt in 1019 3. Alfant d’Argoult, Bishop of Apt (1053, 1055, 1056), who was famed for his knowledge and piety. "Il dona a son eglise Cathedrale les Eglises et les *Dixmes de Jocas*, et un Domaine dans the Terroir de Teurrettes, Juillet 1056" (He donated to his church-cathedral the church and the *"tenths" (the tithes from) of Jocas* and a domain in the territory of Teurettes, July, 1056; (There is some evidence that his father bought Alfant the Bishopric.) By a complicated process of inheritance and gifts, the d’Agoult "Jocas" became the Maulsang "Jocas," and, when Antoinette de Maulsang died, the estate passed to Jean Brassier. "Jocas" was what is called a "messuage," a dwelling, along with attendant outbuildings, barns, adjoining land, etc... what we today would call an estate. A messuage is distinguished from a "menage," the people who live on a messuage. Since it was customary at the time to append to a person’s name the messuage he was associated with, Jean Brassier became "Jean Brassier de Jocas," of the City of Pernes. Later, Francois d’Agoult, Lord of le Baume des Arnauds, witnessed the will of Jean Brassier, along with Antoine de Maulsang and Jean Raffier, 9 March 1477. Jean Brassier de Jocas married, second, *Hugette de Grignan*, from the City of Carpentras. Hugette was from a noted family dating back to the eleventh century and famous for their participation in the Crusades. She made her testament in the month of January, 1463, before Guillaume Pichoni, Notary at Pernes. Her heir was Rudolfe de Vulsiochia, her son by her first marriage to N_______ de Vulsiochia. She had no children by Jean Brassier. Hugette de Grignan was a daughter of Guillaume de Grignan, who was a son of Aimar Grigan, the second of the name. Hugette’s brother, Christophe was city manager of Carpentras several times (1450, 1458, 1464, 1470, 1477, 1481) and Consul of Carpentras several times (1481, 1482, 1489, 1499). This same Guillaume was a brother or cousin of Rollander de Grignan, who had established himself in Carpentras. Thus there were two lines of noble Grignans in Carpentras at the same time. Jean Brassier de Jocas married third, on 25 March 1465, *Isabelle de Ricci*, daughter of Baudet Ricci, of the City of Apt. The contract was signed before Guilaume Pichoni, Notary at Pernes and the witnesses were Bartheleme de Venasque of the City of Pernes; Etienne, Pierre, and Antoine Ricci, of the City of Apt (Isabelle’s brothers); Antoine d’Albertas; Pierre Corage; and Antoine de Maulsang. The contract included a clause to the effect that, should his widow remarry, their children were to be under the care of Etienne and Pierre de Riccis, his brothers-in-law. This has all the ear-marks of a very old, very wealthy man marrying a very young woman of some wealth and position. He died some 12 years later. She lived another 55 years, until about 1520; her son and grandson divided her estate in January, 1521. On 9 March 1477, Jean de Brassier de Jocas made his will before Guilaume Pichoni, Notary of Pernes, and he apparently died soon thereafter. The will was witnessed by Francois d’Agoult, Lord of le Baume des Arnauds; Antoine de Maulsang; and Jean Raffier. The will names four children, all born between 1465 and 1477: b-1. **Raimond Brassier* (or Raimonet Brassier), who died about 1494; married and had one son. See later. b-2. *Jean Brassier*, died without posterity. (Called "the other Jean" in the records. I suspect [no evidence] he was the first-born and was given his father’s name, but the child was "afflicted," e.g. Downs Syndrome or some such, and no one expected him to live. As soon as they perceived the defect, they named another child with his father’s name. But this is ALL speculation.) However, the kid lived until about 1520. Jean Brassier, II, and nephew Andre de Brassier (s/o Raimond Brassier) divided the estate of "the other Jean" in Jan 1521, along with the estate of Jean Brassier and Isabelle de Ricci. b-3. **Jean Brassier, II*, "the second of the name," who continued the posterity; b-4. *Catherine de Brassier*, m. 14 Oct 1485, *Jean de Sainte Marie*, of the City of Pernes. (If she was 13 at the time of her marriage, she would have been born c1472. The contract was witnessed by her brother, Raimonet, and her uncle, Pierre de Riccis) c-1. Claude de Sainte-Marie, heir of Andre de Brassier, son of Raimond Brassier. A descendant: Jean-Francois Ayme (jeanfrancois.ayme@chello.fr) Isabelle may have been pregnant when Jean Brassier made his will and died, for some of the genealogies of the nobility (refs #4, #5) add a fifth child: Maurice. He is mentioned as "living in 1520," which makes me suspect the was mentioned in the estate settlement of his mother. (I have not seen the papers.) b-5. *Maurice de Brassier*, who founded the branch of the Lords of la Plane of Saint-Simon; living in 1520; m. *Marie Judith de Hautvillar*, of Languedoc, who[se descendants] proved her nobility in 1669. See later for a discussion of Maurice de Brassier. * Raymond Brassier * b-1. *Raymond Brassier*, b. between 1465 & 1477, son of Jean Brassier de Jocas and Isabelle de Ricci; m. 1480 (says one of the genealogies [#2], which date would make him less than 15 years old at his marriage), *Suzanne de Laugier*, daughter of Baudouin Laugier of the City of Apt. They lived in Pernes. Suzanne’s will before Vincent Chipati, Notary of Pernes, dated 29 Jun 1494, at Pernes names two children: Dauphine and Andre. Raymond *may* have died before her. c-1. *Dauphine de Brassier*, d. unmarried. c-2. *Andre de Brassier*, d. 1562; m. *Alienor Boutin*, daughter of Bernard Boutin and Antoinette des Astouds. Andre de Brassier made a will 8 Oct 1562 before Charles de Saint Maurice, Notary at Pernes, devising his property to a cousin, Claude de Sainte-Marie, son of his Aunt Catherine (Brassier) de Saint-Marie. Ailenor de Brassier died in 1546 without male heirs, and disposed of her property in favor of her brother, Alexandre Boutin. Andre and Alienor had one natural daughter: d1. *Marie de Brassier * This line apparently went extinct with the death of Andre. * Jean Brassier, II * b-3. *Jean Brassier, II*, born between 1465 and 1477, son of Jean de Brassier de Jocas and Isabelle de Ricci, second child of the name, continued the posterity. He married by contract, 12 Feb 1495, before Martial Boneti, Notary at Carpentras, in the house of Perrin Bertrand, father of Etiene Bertrand, *Catherine de Bellesmanierres*, daughter of Thomas Bellesmanierres, Lord (Seigneur) d’Eiguines of the diocese of Uzés, and Dauphine Audigier. Jean Brassier entered a legal process against his brother-in-law, Louis de Bellesmanieres, for the payment of 350 écus of gold, legacy from his mother-in-law, Dauphine Audigier. Jean Ferrier, Archbishop of Arles and independent Lord of Montdragon passed his judgement on the issue, 3 August 1513, and ordered Lambert Gressier to carry it out. On 2 Jan 1521, before Isnard Jay, Notary at Pernes, Jean Brassier II divided with his nephew, Andre Brassier, the property (*titre & beins*) accruing from the succession of his father and mother, Jean Brassier and Isabelle de Ricci, and his brother, the "other" Jean Brassier. He made his will 28 Jun 1537, before Pierre Corneti, Notary at Pernes, in which he made his oldest sons (*fils ainé*), Antoine and Barthelemy, universal legatees. Does that "oldest sons" phrase mean that he had other son(s), who were being disinherited? See discussion later. c-1. *Antoine de Brassier*, a Priest, who was legatee of his father. In addition, Antoine received a patrimony, 28 Jan 1524. c-2. *Barthelemy Brassier de Jocas*, b. c1515, Pernes, France, d. c1556; m. 1548, *Esprit Choicelat*, daughter of Thomas Choicelat and Jeanne de Avignon. Barthelemy was the first to join "de Jocas" as part of the surname, rather than an identification of residence, and passed it to the posterity. On 22 Dec 1556, Barthelemy made a will before Gaspar Anglézi, Notary at Pernes, naming an only son, Esprit, whose guardianship was refused by the widow and by cousin, Andre (on grounds of very old age). On 23 March 1557, the magistrates called a procedural conference to inventory the holdings (*titres & biens*) of the Brassier de Jocas family, and did so on the following 28 September. d-1. *Esprit Brassier de Jocas*, b. c1550, Pernes, France; d. c1592, Pernes; married by contract before Boniface Grossi, Notary at Pernes, 25 Nov 1574*, Francoise de Jarente de Maulsang* , b. c1553, Pernes, daughter of Francois Jarente de Maulsang and Anne de Cabassole, of the City of Pernes. Francois was a son of Antoine de Maulsang, and a nephew of Antoinette de Maulsang, first wife of Jean Brassier de Jocas. On 3 February 1576, Esprit received 2801 florins, a gift from his mother, at le chateau de Marsan, before Pierre Arnaud, Notary of Pernes. He made his testament at the Cloister de Chanoines Réguliers de Notre-Dame du Grez, at Carpentras, before Pierre Arnaud, Notary of Pernes, 28 February 1592. e-1. **Allemand Brassier de Jocas*, whose line follows, below. e-2. *Francois Brassier de Jocas*, called Knight (Sieur) of the Sauvage, married by contract, 14 Oct 1602, *Anne d’Ambrun*, daughter of Jean d’Ambrun and Gabrielle Joaniss, of Caromb, diocese of Carpentras, by whom he had only one dau. f-1. *Catherine Brassier*, m. about 1620, Guillaume de Blégiers, Lord (Seigneur de) Pierre-Grosse of the City of Vaison. Guillaume de Blégiers was a grand-nephew of Hugette de Grignan, second wife of Jean Brassier de Jocas. e-3. *Gaspard Brassier de Jocas*, Canon of the metropolis of Avignon, who made a will 10 April 1638, before Etiene Mazellie, Notary of Avignon, naming a nephew, Pierre Brassier de Jocas (s/o Allemand Brassier de Jocas), his heir. e-4. *Thomas Brassier de Jocas*, d. without posterity. e-5*. Marquerite Brassier de Jocas*, married 20 June 1601, *Théodore de Sainte-Marie*. * Allemand Brassier de Jocas * e-1. *Allemand Brassier de Jocas*, b. c1575, Pernes, d. c1623 at Pernes; married by contract, 18 Jun 1594, before Pierre Arnaud, Notary at Pernes, *Madeléne de Cheilus*, b. Pernes, daughter of Jean de Cheilus, of Pernes, and Louise Allemand de Chateauneuf. Gaspar de Fourgasse, Seigneur (Lord) de Grugieres and Louise d’Allemand, his wife, made some admission or confession about a house in Pernes, before Jean Giberti, Notary of Pernes, on 18 February 1611. Louise d’Allemand had married Gaspar de Fourgasse, after the death of Jean de Cheilus. The French of this transaction totally baffled me. But I understand that one can look it up, even get a copy, via the name of the Notary and the date. Then you would have even more baffling French. I leave it to someone who knows. Allemand Brassier de Jocas made his testament before Benoît Perroqueti, Notary at Pernes, on 12 Sept 1623, naming the five children below. I’m guessing that he began having children c1595, the year after he was married and they were spaced out by two or three years, with some gaps for still-born children and infant deaths. f-1. *Francois Brassier de Jocas*, probably born about 1595, killed Sept 1621, at seige of Montauban, where he fought as a volunteer in the company of Marquis de Thor. f-2. **Pierre Brassier de Jocas*, born about? 1597-98 (I’m guessing), who continued the posterity, f-3. *Catherine Brassier de Jocas*, m. 1621 *Gaspar du Pont du Bourg de Thor *, in Comté-Venaissin f-4. *Catherine-Marie Brassier de Jocas*, nun in the monastery of Saint George, in Avignon, in 1615. f-5. *Marguerite Brassier de Jocas*, nun in Order of Bernardines, Abbey of La Madeléne at Carpentras, in 1633. * Pierre Brassier de Jocas * f-2. *Pierre Brassier de Jocas*, son of Allemand Brassier de Jocas and Madeléne de Cheilus, born about? 1597-98 (I’m guessing), married by contract17 Nov 1649, before Felix d’Elbéne, Notary at Avignon, *Marguerite Teste*, daughter of Gabriel Teste and Marguerite Silvestre de Marignagne. Pierre Brassier de Jocas made his testament 14 May 1652, before Benoît Perroqueti, Notary at Pernes; he names four children. NOTE and QUESTION: There must be something wrong with the dates. Would he wait until he was past 50 to marry and then have four children between Nov 1649 and May 1652? Maybe he was married earlier to the mother of his children? g-1. **Gabriel Brassier de Jocas*, who follows later; g-2. *Louise Brassier de Jocas*; married in the presence of her bother, 28 Jan 1678, *Louis Francois des Henriques*, of an old family from Venaissin. g-3. *Catherine Brassier de Jocas*; m. 1681, *Barthelemy de Gardane*. g-4. *Marguerite Brassier de Jocas*, an Ursuline nun at Pernes. Up to this point (the generation of Pierre Brassier de Jocas), with the exception of the phantom "younger sons" of Jean Brassier, II and Catherine de Bellesmanierres, there has been only one male heir per generation. That is, those "younger sons" are the only chance for a branch or corollary family to have descendants. There are no other families of de Brassier unaccounted for, who could have furnished a renegade, Huguenot Brasseur. In some charts, Allemand Brassier de Jocas is listed as a possible parent of Benois Brasseur (our Huguenot ancestor in America), but we can now document that Benois’ father was named Robert Brasseur, who was born about the same time as Pierre Brassier de Jocas, Allemand’s son. Robert and Benois Brasseur arrived in Virginia about 1635, when Robert had seven children, the oldest being Benois. Within a generation Brasseur had become Brashear. One could be relatively sure that Allemand, with a brother who was Canon of Avignon, two daughters who were nuns, and a son who died in a religious war, would not recognize any Huguenot (i.e. Protestant) children— if he had any. I continue to think these are two, quite distinct families and that Peter Brashear was simply lying when he changed the names in American records from Brasseur to de Brassier. The names that run in the Brasseur family— Benois (Benjamin), Robert, John (Jean), Samuel— are a quite different set of names from what run in the de Brassier de Jocas family. However, there is one name (other than Jean) that the two families share, and that is Maurice. See discussion later. But, suppose some "younger son" had embraced Calvinism— that is, became a Huguenot. He would surely have been disinherited, and maybe even erased from the records. I understand that the Church did, in fact, engage in this kind of expurgation. Not long after Martin Luther started the Protestant Reformation in 1517, reform churches had become common. Ulrich Zwingli is said to have preached reformation in Zurich, even before Luther got his idea. John Calvin gained many followers in Switzerland and France. Bezanson Hugues and his "Eigots" (a Germanic word meaning "confederates") were soon nick-named "Hugues Eigots," which was soon corrupted to Huguenot. By the mid 1500s, Huguenots and other reform movements had become fairly strong. Though Protestantism was rather structured and strict, it was still much more lenient than the Catholic Church of the time. On 29 Jan 1536, the Catholic Church pushed the government into issuing a General Edict, urging the extermination of all heretics, as reformist were called. The first Huguenot Church was formed at Strasbourg in 1538. The Reform Church in France encouraged its members to take part in the affairs of their time: in politics, in business, in art, etc, in strong contrast to the isolation and "puritanism" advocated by some Calvinist sects in Switzerland (the Ahmish, Mennonites, Brethren, etc). French Protestants soon became well-to-do and dominated a number of useful trades, notably the cloth trade in southern France. Their liberalism, strict as it was, tempted many a Catholic to defect. On 1 March 1562, war broke out and some 1200 Huguenots were slain at Vassey, igniting a civil war that lasted for more than two hundred years. On Sunday, 24 August 1572 (Saint Bartholomew’s Day), about 4000 Huguenots were slaughtered in Paris, and the frenzy soon spread to the provinces. Some estimates claim that as many as 50,000 Huguenots were killed before that craze was controlled. The reign of Henry IV and the Edict of Nantes, 13 April 1598, brought some relief for a few years, but murder, war, massacres soon broke out again. Still, in spite of the dangers, the Huguenot population grew rapidly. By the end of the century, they were in the majority in at least 75 towns all over France and strong minorities in most others. For the most part, these defections were silent, leaving no record. But a few did leave paper tracks. For instance, Giraud d’Agoult, son of Francois d’Agoult (Jean Brassier’s witness), was disinherited by his father for having "embraced Calvinism" (ref #3, v.2, p.129) after Francois had made his will in 1545. Giraud d’Agoult married well in 1540 and continued the posterity as Seigneur (Lord) of Chatelar & du Pinet en Provence, a province further south. But Thomas d’Agoult, Giraud’s youngest brother (who may also have become a Huguenot), only gets the line in the genealogy "j’ignore la destinée" (I ignore his fate). Another of their brothers, Jean d’Agoult, "gave himself to the church." If we are going to find a connection between the Brassier de Jocas family and the Brasseur/Brashear family, we need some evidence of "younger sons" of Jean Brassier, II, or sons of Allemand Brassier de Jocas, marrying and having families. Or through Maurice, who moved to Rouergue. We need some renegade son(s) whose destiny was ignored by the church and state, but who had families that could be ours. But I don’t know how to find that evidence. The rest of the Brassier family (with the possible exception of Maurice Brassier) were born too late to be connected with our Robert Brasseur who arrived in Virginia c1635 with seven children. Nevertheless, the Brassier de Jocas family history continues: g-1. *Gabriel Brassier de Jocas*, son of Pierre Brassier de Jocas and Marguerite Teste, married by contract, 20 Oct 1687, before Benoît Perroqueti, Notary at Pernes, *Francoise-Therese de Buissy*, only daughter and heiress of Charles de Buissy and Dauphine de Rapallis, of City of L’Isle, in Venaissin. Gabriel Brassier de Jocas made his will at Pernes, 7 Jan 1716, before Jean Rigoard, Notary at Pernes, in which he made his oldest son his heir. Their children: h-1. **Joseph Brassier de Jocas*, Gentleman (Chevalier) and Lord de Jocas (ref #2); continued the posterity. h-2. *Jean-Baptiste Brassier de Jocas*, Lt. in Walloon Regiment of Bourgogne, in service of King of Spain, and died at Gironne, 27 Feb 1723; h-3. *Gabriel Brassier de Jocas*, who entered religious Orders and did not marry; h-4. *Pierre-Ignace Brassier de Jocas*, Captain in the Regiment of Infantry of Anjou; Chevalier de Saint Louis; called "Baron de Brassier" in record #2. h-5. *Catherine Brassier de Jocas*, married 1717, *Gabriel d’Astoaud*, titulary lord of Cheminades in Gévaudan and co-Lord de la Fare au Bailliage du Buix en Dauphiné, with whom she lived in Pernes in 1736. h-6. *Anne Brassier de Jocas*, sister in Order of Saint Francis at L’Isle in Venaissin; h-7. *Gabrielle Brassier de Jocas*, sister in Order of Saint Francis at L’Isle in Venaissin; h-8. *Louise Brassier de Jocas*, Ursuline nun at Pernes. h-1. *Joseph Brassier de Jocas*, Gentleman (Chevalier) and Lord de Jocas (ref #2); married 17 June 1726 by contract, before Jean Rigoard, Notary at Pernes, Thérese d’Anselme de Grugieres, daughter of Joseph Francois d’Anselme, called de Fougasse Seigneur (lord) de Grugieres, and Anne de Cheilus-de Propiac, of the City of Pernes. They had one son and two daughters (ref #2 adds a fourth): i-1. *Gabriel-Joseph Brassier de Jocas*, Marquis de Jocas (ref. #2), married by contract 8 Oct 1764, before Joseph Bressi and Jean-Joseph Castan, Notaries at Pernes, the noble Marie-Susanne-Catherine de Bernardi (ref #2). They had five children: j-1. *Pierre-Ignance-Xavier-Isidore de Brassier de Jocas*, born 1773; j-2. *Joseph-Theophile-Calixte de Brassier*, born 1775; still a student in 1782; j-3. *Auguste-Simphorien-Joseph de Brassier*, under age in 1782; j-4. *Susanne-Marie-Therese de Brassier*; j-5. *Sylvie-Anne de Brassier*, the last two "young ladies" in 1782. i-2. *Francoise-Thérese Brassier de Jocas*, i-3. *Marie-Anne Brassier de Jocas*, who was living in 1736. i-4. *Agathe de Brassier de Jocas*, young lady (demoiselle) of Pernes; does that mean she never married, or was just a child in 1782, the date of the genealogy? Peter Brashear visited with Marcel, le Marquis de Jocas in 1926 and extended this line, after a long gap from 1782 to 1926 m-x.(?) *_______ de Brassier de Jocas*. (Peter was not too exact on filling in the blanks), probably born about 1850, and was the father of at least two sons: n-1. *Marcel de Brassier de Jocas*, Marquis de Jocas , probably born about 1870. Marcel was married twice. A son by the first marriage, probably born about 1895, was a Captain and was killed in World War I. Marcel married, second, in 1918, *Isaure de Richard d’Ivry*. They had no children. Both were living in 1926 and expected the title of Marquis to pass to Marcel’s brother, Regis, and his sons. In 1926, Marcel lived in his "Hotel" in Carpentras, having sold his chateau nearby the year before. n-2. *Regis de Brassier de Jocas*, Count de Jocas, married *Alice Rigause*. Regis lived in 1926 at Chateau des Taillades, in Bedarrides, a few miles east of Avignon. They had several children: o-1. *Joseph de Brassier de Jocas*, married *Marie Antoinette de Tauriac*. In 1926, Joseph lived in a chateau near Carpentras and had children, p-1. *Louis de Brassier de Jocas*, p-2. *Guy de Brassier de Jocas*, who was born in 1926 a few days before Peter’s visit. o-2. *Aime Marie de Brassier de Jocas*, o-3. *Bernard de Brassier de Jocas*, o-4. *Jacqueline de Brassier de Jocas*, o-5. *Elizabeth de Brassier de Jocas*, o-6. *Regis de Brassier de Jocas, II*, On 4 Oct 1926, Peter Brashear wrote Henry Sinclair Brashear a description of his visit to the "Hotel" of le Marquis de Brassier de Jocas, and Henry Sinclair Brashear printed the letter in his "Brashear-Brashears Family, 1449-1929." Peter wrote, in part: "We drove down an old world street with sidewalks on each side about two feet wide, the street was so narrow that two cars could not pass excepting one of them ran up on the sidewalk. "Upon arriving at the correct number, we found wide double doors trimmed in polished brass with a triangle bell pull at the side. Upon pulling the bell, which we could hear ring inside, the doors were opened by a very up-to-date maid. We stepped into a very beautiful court yard and were ushered up a short flight of broad steps into a palatial residence. Le Marquis and La Marquise were there to receive us.... [the "Hotel"] would fascinate any antiquarian in the extreme: large rooms, high ceilings, room after room filled with treasures, furniture fittings and china, rows of family portraits, some of them so old they do not know the names, down to the more recent monarchies when court dress and powdered hair were the vogue." Peter envied them those portraits, thought fancifully that he would like to acquire some of them and even ventured a wish after the fact that he would like to have purchased the country chateau that had been sold the year before. When I visited the area in 2003, I found a descendant of one of the early female lines (Catherine Brassier and Jean de Sainte-Marie), but no male descendants. I was told there are none. * Maurice de Brassier de la Plane * Maurice de Brassier is not mentioned in the will of Jean Brassier de Jocas, dated 9 March 1477, in Pernes. Perhaps Jean had made his will before Maurice was born; perhaps Isabelle was pregnant when Jean died and the child was born post-humously. We have only(?) his word and the two genealogies that he was a son of Jean Brassier de Jocas and Isabelle de Ricci. My hesitation is caused by that note in the genealogies that says he was living in 1520, which means that he was mentioned in some document. The best candidate for that document is the estate proceedings of Isabelle de Ricci, his mother. (I have not seen these documents.) Maurice would have to have been born in 1477 or very near it. He and his posterity are a chance that our Brashear family could possibly descend from the de Brassier de Jocas Family. About 1500 Maurice de Brassier moved to Rouérgue in southwestern central France, where descendants live even today. In 1667, a descendant of Maurice de Brassier, M. Bernard de Brassier, Knight, Lord of La Plane, commissioned a Mr. Pellot to do a genealogy of his family. He later used this on the occasion of his installation as Knight in the order and militia of Saint Esprit de Montpellier, 1693. This genealogy is the one printed in the *Noblaire Universel Racueil General des* *Genealogies Historiques et Veridiques des Maison Nobles de L’Europe*, published by M. Le Vicomte de Magny (ref #5); it borrows generously from the earlier genealogies, but also goes to the Notarial records to verify some things. b-5. *Maurice de Brassier*, (?post-humous son of Jean Brassier de Jocas and Isabelle de Ricci?), born c1477, Pernes, France. He moved about 1500 to Rouergue and founded the branch of the Lords of laPlane of Saint-Simon; living in 1520; married *Marie Judith de Hautvillar*, of an old family of Languedoc, who proved her nobility, 14 January1669 (?really? A hundred, seventy years after her birth? Surely, it was some descendant who proved....). Marie de Hautvillar was a descendant of Claude de Hautvillar, who was living in 1490, and whose son Francois de Hautvillar married 26 August 1520, Marguerite de Vesc. Two sons of Maurice de Brassier formed "noble" lines: (He may have had more.) c-1. *Maurice Brassier, II*, who had children, but the line is not included in Henry Sinclair Brashear’s book, nor in any of the genealogies. Considering that Maurice (Morris) occurs twice in the Brashear Family, this line would have been of considerable interest to me. When I was in France in 2003, I located in a phone book a Maurice Brassier, living in the town of La Roquette, in the province of Tarn (two provinces south of Rouergue). His phone number: (011, the international access code) + (33, the code for France) + 05.63.68.01.09. I called him, asked him in my halting French a few questions, which he didn’t understand. Then I asked him if he understood English. He said NO and hung up. If someone who speaks French well wants to call him, please do, and get his family tree. I suspect he belongs here and is about our only chance of being connected to the de Brassier family. c-2. *Sigismond Brassier*; married by contract 15 Jun 1545, *Anne de Caucavanne*, whose family was established in Guienne, where Jean-Pierre de Caucabanne, in 1698 (almost 150 years later) registered his coat of arms. M. Pellot, the genealogist, was a school administrator in Guienne. Sigismond and Anne had at least two sons: d-1. **Henri Brassier*, Knight of LaPlane, m. 10 Jan 1558, at Montauban, *Ann de Maniban*, and had one son d-2. **Jacques de Brassier*, founder of the first branch of Saint-Simon, Henri and Jacques both had families that lasted for generations. They were notable civil servants, some legislators, many high-ranking military men. However, their direct lines offer no possibilities, and the branches and corollary families are not given in the genealogies, which are only interested in the direct line of the "nobility." We need to know about those branches and corollary families. d-1. *Henri Brassier*, Knight of LaPlane, m. 10 Jan 1558 (??only four years after his parents married?? Surely, that is his birth date? Note that a son was born 26 years later), at Montauban, *Ann de Maniban*, and had one son. The de Maniban family had ancient roots in Languedoc and Guienne, having furnished a number of members and presidents of the parliament at Toulouse. e-1*. Jacob Brassier*, Knight of LaPlane; m. 24 Mar 1584 at Toulouse, *Phillippe de Pere* (or Peres), and had one son: f-1. *Jean Brassier*, Knight of LaPlane, m. 8 Sep 1604, before Guilharnet, Notary at Toulouse (Jean’s mother and father were witnesses)*, Marie Ann d’Espinas de Montblain*, and had 1 son: g-1. *Charles Brassier*, Knight of La Plane, married 15 Feb 1625 by contract before Bouquest, Notary at Rabasten, *Charlotte de Montron*, h-1. *Antoine Brassier*, Knight of La Plane, married by contract 3 May 1656, before Cazalle, Notary of Montabalin, Diocese of Montauban, a noble young lady, Marie Sequin, of an old noble family of Toulouse and Languedoc. Among other children, they had: i-1. *Bernard Brassier*, Lord of La Plane, b. 20 Jan 1654, baptized 1657, in the church of Notre-Dame de Rabastans. In 1683, he was Ensign in a regiment of marines, but transferred to the artillery in 1686. He was superintendent of artillery at the siege of Philisbourg, where he was wounded in the left arm by a fragment of a cannon ball. He received a pension of twenty "louis" of gold. The following year he was "Cornet" in the Regiment of Vandoeuvre, then Lieutenant under deLagny in 1689. He was wounded at Catalogne by a blow from a musket that took off the first two digits of his left hand. In 1693, he was made Gentleman of the Order and Militia of Saint-Esprit (the Holy Ghost) of Montpelier. Jacques Chevillard, genealogist to the King and the Order of Saint-Sprit de Montpellier, proved his descent from the Noble Henri Brassier, his fifth-degree grandfather. He apparently never married and died in 1696 without descendants. Thus the branch of Brassier de la Plane was extinguished. * The First Branch of le Brassier de Saint-Simon * d-2. *Jacques de Brassier*, son of Sigismond de Brassier and founder of the first branch of de Brassier de Saint-Simon. He married 12 Feb 1580, by contract, the noble young lady, *Marguerite d’Orty*, of a very old family of Rouergue. On the 19th December 1585, he became secretary to the queen, Marguerite de Valois, according to letters of appointment in the chancellerie. He had children, including e-1. *Maurice de Brassier*, Knight of Vallade, married, first, *Marie de Cledes*; married second, 18 Nov 1608, *Catherine de Barbotan*, from an ancient house of nobility. In his second marriage contract, he named his first wife and their two sons, Sigismond and Bernard; he had two sons by his second marriage. On 24 Dec 1641, he made a donation to his two sons, Bernard and Sigismond. f-1. *Sigismond Brassier*, living at Gabarrat in 1667, where he was elected "sénéchaussée de Mont-de-Marsan" upon proof of his nobility. f-2. *Bernard de Brassier*, living the 20th January 1654 f-3. **Louis de Brassier*, who continued the descendency. f-4. *Guillaume de Brassier*, living in 1681 f-3. *Louis de Brassier*, born c1610, Lord of Vallade and of Saint-Simon. He married, by contract, 2 June 1632, *Jeanne de Godieges*, and they had three children. He was "elected" "sénéchaussée de Nérac" 3 Nov 1639 and got a certificate of his nobility from the Prince of Condé, the sixth of the same month. On 12 June 1640, he was commissioned Sergeant Major of the Regiment of Montagnac and was given the task of raising a company of rifles, under M. De Gondrin, Governor of Armagnac. He made his testament 24 Dec 1684, naming three sons. g-1. **Bernard de Brassier de Saint-Simon*, born 20 Jan 1654, g-2. *Louis de Brassier de Saint-Simon*, living in 1681, unmarried. g-3. **Pierre de Brassier*, founder of the second branch of Brassier de Saint-Simon and Vallade. See later. g-1. **Bernard de Brassier de Saint-Simon*, Knight (Chevalier), born at Rabasten, 20 Jan 1654; married by contract 9 March 1681, before Jean Clavé, Notary at Mauvesin, *Marie-Diane de Sentes*, daughter of Francois de Sentes, lawyer for the parilament of Toulouse, and his wife, Marie de Peres. Bernard was a cadet in the school of artillery in 1687, "Cornette" in the light cavalry in 1689, Lieutenant in the Regiment of cavalry de Monsieur in 1694; Captain in the Regiment of dragoons of Artois in 1694; Knight (Chevalier) in the Royal Military Order of Saint-Louis and "chevalier de Justice" of Hospitaliers de Monpellier; finally commander of Lille in Jourdain, by an order in 1698. M. Le Gendre, superintendent of school at Montauban, proved his nobility on 6 May 1700, upon presentation of his certificates of title (*titres*), which showed his descent from Maurice de Brassier, the first of the name. He was made Colonel of the Regiment de Feuquieres in 1702, and he was made Lieutenant Colonel of the regiment of Brancas, when the Prince of Orange issued a diploma the 22nd of July, 1714, in appreciation of his services to his prince. Bernard and Marie-Diane had two sons: h-1. **Bernard de Brassier, II,* who continued the posterity h-2. *Antoine de Brassier*, student at the royal house of Saint-Cyr, diploma 12 March 1706. h-1. *Bernard de Brassier, II*, Lord of Pin in the Diocese of Lombez and Camboulan in Rouergue, born in Pouget, 18 Feb 1696. He became Page to The Duke d’Orleans, in 1710; then Lieutenant of cavalry in 1723, with his appointment to the Regiment of Orleans. He married by contract 1 June 1727 before Calom, royal Notary at Villemer, Miss *Jeanne de Fleyres de Camboulan *, daughter of the late Jean de Fleyres and his wife, the late Lady Ann de Clarac. Bernard made his testament in his Chateuu de Camboulan before Bonnet, royal Notary, 3 Dec 1758. i-1. **Antoine de Brassier-Saint-Simon*, who follows i-2. *Francois-Honore de Brassier*, Knight (Chevalier) de Brassier-Saint-Simon, and legatee of his father in 1758. i-1. *Antoine de Brassier-Saint-Simon*, b. 1 April 1732, Lord (Seigneur) of Camboulan; married by contract before Canneis, Notary at Villefranche, 1 Jan 1761, Miss *Jeanne du Fau*, daughter of Jean Francois du Fau, lord of La Roque-Toirac and Saint-Affre in Quercy, and his wife, Marie d’Alary. They had four children: j-1. **Honore de Brassier de Saint-Simon*, who follows j-2. *Emmanuel de Brassier*, Knight (Chevalier) de Saint-Simon, born 13 Sept 1764. He became an officer in the Regiment of Bourgogne and he emigrated to Germany. He was Knight of Saint-Louis and retired with the rank of Commander of a Battalion in Germany "et n’a point pris d’alliance" (?Has nothing to do with this family?) j-3. *Marie-Marguerite de Brassier*, born 8 Feb 1763, became a nun at Sainte-Clair de Villefranche. j-4. *Francoise de Brassier*, born at Camboulan, 6 Feb 1767, not married. j-1. *Honore de Brassier de Saint-Simon*, Lord of Camboulan, born 3 Jan 1762. Old officer in the Regiment of Infantry of Vivarais. He emigrated in 1794, and his land in Camboulan was confiscated and sold by the Revolutionaries. He established himself at Villefranche. He retired with the rank of Commander of Squadron, and received the Cross of the Royal Order and Militia of Saint-Louis. He married and had one son. (But here ends the First Branch of Brassier de Saint-Simon in the genealogies. The text printed in Henry Sinclair Brashear’s book, "The Brashear-Brashears Family, 1449-1929," privately printed in 1929, extends the line somewhat.) After he emigrated, Honore served in the army of Conde, where he took part in all the campaigns of the army and distinguished himself by his conspicuous zeal and courage, as attested by a certificate of the Prince of Conde, delivered at his headquarters in Feistritz, 2 April 1801. He was made Chevalier (Knight) of Saint-Louis, 31 Jan 1816. That same year, he was Colonel of the National Guards of l’Aveyron and was made Chevalier de Lis, by order of 18 Feb 1818. He established his residence in VilleFranche, where he married on 25 Feb 1810, Lady *Phillippe de Fau*, by whom he had two sons: k-1. *Honore de Brassier de Saint-Simon*, who died young. k-2. *Gaspard Francois de Brassier de Saint-Simon*, born 11 Jan 1816; married 14 July 1846, Lady *Marie Louise Adrienne Leontine d’Ablane de Labouysse*. Their children included: l-1. *Georges de Brassier de Saint-Simon*, b. 14 May 1847, l-2. *Bernard de Brassier de Saint-Simon*, b. 31 May 1849, l-3. *Louis de Brassier de Saint-Simon*, b. 14 Jan 1852, * The Second Branch of Brassier de Saint-Simon * g-3. *Pierre de Brassier de Saint-Simon*, Lord (Seigneur) of Saint-Simon and of Vallade, son of Louis de Brassier and Jean de Godieges, married by contract 2 march 1684, *Henriette de Delmont*, daughter of Jacques de Delmont and Antoinette Boyer. They lived at Rabastens. He proved his nobility, in conjunction with his nephew, Sigismond de Brassier, on 4 May 1667, by judgement of M. Pellot, superintendent of schools in Guienne. Pierre compromised with his brother, Louis, on the subject of their inheritance from their parents on 1 April 1675. He had one son: h-3. *Bernard de Brassier de Saint-Simon*, Lord of Saint-Simon and Vallade, was born at Rabastens, 12 Jan 1637. He married at Altkirch (a city in present-day Allsace-Lorraine, on the German border; the area has been German and French at different times) on 20 March 1723, *Marie-Elizabeth de Nance*, born at Altkirch. Bernard died at Altkirch, 4 Dec 1742, leaving two sons: i-1. **Louis-Bernard de Brassier Saint-Simon*, who continued the posterity i-2. *Valentine-Desiderius de Brassier Saint-Simon*, who died young. i-1. *Bernard de Brassier Saint-Simon*, Lord (Seigneur) of Saint-Simon and Vallade, born at Altkirsh in Haute-Alsace, 14 April 1724. He spent some of his youth in Albigeois, near his forefathers of the old branch, according to a certificate from the city hall and consul of the City of Rabastens, dated 1 Sept 1747. Afterwards, he was inspector general of sales of "sels de Lorraine" (Lorraine salts), and he lived in Strasbourg. He married 22 Dec 1766, Miss *Madeliene Lorens*, daughter of Adam Lorens and Lady Therese de Remberger. This marriage produce seven children: j-1. **Marie-Louis-Joseph de Brassier de Saint-Simon-Vallade*, who continued the line. j-2. *Joseph de Brassier de Saint-Simon-Vallade,* who lived in the neighborhood of Strasbourg in 1790 and had several children. j-3. *Bernard de Brassier de Saint-Simon-Vallade*, Officer in the Royal Order of the Legion of Honor, in which he served in the armies of France, in Austria, and Spain. His home was in Strasbourg, where he lived in 1790. j-4. *Jean-Baptiste de Brassier de Saint-Simon-Vallade,* who died young. j-5. *Marie-Madeleine de Brassier de Saint-Simon-Vallade*, nun in the convent Dames de la Visitation, in Strasbourg, and later the convent in Nancy. j-6. *Henriette de Brassier de Saint-Simon-Vallade*, widow of *N. Charpentier*, Commander of Squadron and Knight (Chevalier) of the Legion of Honor, brother to Henri-Francois-Marie "Count" Charpentier, Lieutenant General in the armies of the King of France, commander in chief of the Legion of Honor. j-7. *Louise de Brassier de Saint-Simon-Vallade,* who married in Strasbourg. j-1. *Marie-Louis-Joseph de Brassier de Saint-Simon-Vallade*, born in Strasbourg, 11 June 1770; Doctor of Law at the University of Strasbourg, 13 Nov 1788; lawyer to the sovereign consul of Alsace. He entered the military service in the month of February 1792 in The Guards of the King’s Gate, the Company having been revived under the name of the Company of the Institution of Saint-Louis, by order of the Princes, brothers to the King. According to a certificate by Count Vergennes, captain-colonel of that company, dated at Utrecht, 1 Jan 1795, M. de Brassier had always served the King with honor and zeal, and with distinction until he was named Licentiate by order of the Princes. He married 4 March 1795, at Rastadt, Miss *Louise de Strampfer*, daughter of Frederic de Stampfer, Lieutenant-Colonel of the Royal and Military Order of Saint-Louis, and Lieutenant-Colonel of the Swiss Regiment of Epten, and his wife, lady Marguertie d’Anselme. They had four children: k-1. *Marie-Louis de Brassier de Saint-Simon-Vallade*, born at Henneberg, in the county of Fulde, 13 Jan 1797. He served as a Colonel in the military of Austria. k-2. **Marie-Joseph-Antoine de Brassier de Saint-Simon-Vallade*, who continued the posterity. k-3. *Marie-Jean-Louis-Guillaume de Brassier de Saint-Simon-Vallade*, born in Vienna, 23 Nov 1801, and served in the military of Austria as commander of a squadron. k-4. *Berthe-Louise-Marie-Aglae de Brassier de Saint-Simon-Vallade*, born in Vienna, 14 Oct 1804; married at Holstein in Silesia, Prussia, 3 Nov 1822, *Joseph Edouard*, baron Pino de Friedenthal, Chamberlain to the King of Austria and advisor to the government of Illyrie. k-2. *Marie-Joseph-Antoine de Brassier de Saint-Simon-Vallade*, born at Brixlegg in Tyrolia, 8 Aug 1798, became Doctor of Rights at the University of Heidelberg in 1821. He was Chamberlain to the King of Prussia, really his envoy extraordinaire and minister plenipotentiary in the courts of Sweden and Norway. He received the Grand Cross of the Order of the Savior of Greece; Knight (Chevalier) in the Order of the Red-Eagle, 2nd Class, of Prussia; and the Order of Saint-Anne, 2nd class, of Russia. He married in 1849, Lady *Marie de Ribeaupierre*, daughter of M. de Ribeaupierre, Chamberlian to the Emperor of Russia. And there end the printed genealogies. -- Charles Brashear 1940 Neotomas Ave Santa Rosa, CA 95405 www.charlesbrashear.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: brandipowell24 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.brashears/55.133.173/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Ahhhh that is my family :) I am the Great Granddaughter x16 of Jean De Brassier and Isabelle De Rics of France any one related to them?! I want to meet my other relatives of this line!! :) Thanks, Brandi Powell Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: brandipowell24 Surnames: Brassier/Brashear Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.brashears/55.79.105.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hey there!!! I am doing family research, it is a passion of mine! I love finding out about my Heritage! I am the Great Grand-daughter x16 of Jean De Brassier and Isabelle De Rics of France :) I am so excited about the research! My Mammaw is the daughter of Henry Stevens and Nelle Mae Brashier :) Our Brashier family is came to KY in the late 1830's but were from France on mammaw's mom's dad's side! anyways I was wondering if any of y'all are related to our Brassiers! I would love to meet some of our family! and were any of Jean De Brassier's family still left over in France?? Thanks, Brandi Powell Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

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