Curt, Before breakfast this morning I was studying the maps of Kentucky, Pennsylvania, and Ohio in our huge Atlas. I always suspected but now I know that all three states have counties of the same name, and of course, they have cities and townships with the same name. I understood that, even before I got into our family history, I guess, because I am curious by nature! Lo and behold, there is a Louisville in Stark County, Ohio! Therefore, sometimes when we are reading old, old letters from relatives, and they mention a trip they took or mention a city, unless we understand exactly which state and which county they are referring to in the letter, it would be easy to misunderstand where those people were living way back then. The Kentucky map you sent the link for is really helpful, and I have a similar map for Ohio that I have studied many times. I think it is called Ross County, since Ross was the earliest, largest county at one time, covering almost the entire state. It is in my Favorites someplace, but I recently sorted my Favorites list into folders so that I can find them easily enough. All of you people who have been on the Internet more than the three short years that I have been, probably do not even need to keep Internet URLs, because they can find anything they need on the Internet. Thanks, Curt! Lois K. (L-39 & L-134) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Beatty" <c.beatty@earthlink.net> To: <BP2000-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [BP2000] Fayette co., KY Will > KY county formation maps from 1776 to 1939 can be viewed here, sequentially > or otherwise. > > http://www.segenealogy.com/kentucky/ky_maps/ky_cf.htm > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lois" <lekort@comcast.net> > To: <BP2000-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 5:35 PM > Subject: Re: [BP2000] Fayette co., KY Will > > > > Donna and BP Listers, > > > > It is interesting that my great-aunt Hazel (Cowles) Beatty and my mother > were convinced that this James Beatty (Below, Book O, page 238) was our > James Beatty II, who went to Fayette County in 1790, and Hazel even found > his grave, and made rubbings of the gravestone. I know Fayette County was > formed in 1792, and according to our "Story," it was the father of our James > IV who was born in Kentucky in 1791 a year after his parents settled in > Fayette County. I have already been told by Ray that this James has been > very well documented, so I am not trying to "Claim" him, but I still like to > question and wonder. > > > > It seems that none of the Beattys in Lineage 134 ever went to Kentucky, > but since we know nothing about the James we are going to be calling the > grandfather of my James IV--except the "Story" that he came from Ireland > when he was 2-4 years old and had four sons, Hugh, James, John, and Robert, > not even his wife's name--then, any surprising story could develop. My > James IV really does fit the description of their "Missing James," who was > one of the 13-18 children of James with his first wife. Our James had > listed all of the addresses where he lived during the years he was trying to > get a pension, and they were the towns where, not only his children, but his > siblings lived. Plus, a few of James' children and their spouses had > written letters to the military to vouch for James' debilitating condition, > and had signed their names on affidavits. He moved around and lived with > his adult children for the last fourteen years of his life after his wife > died in 1874. > > > > Now, it seems that my James' father who died in 1849, according to the > family legend of Lineage 134, was born in Ireland and came here when he was > 2-4 years old. We know nothing about the grandfather of my James. He and > his wife, or maybe not a wife, brought the father of my James to this > country after he was born in Ireland on 02 May 1782. who died in 1849. We > might still be looking for a fourth James. > > > > There is the question of the birth date of my James Lewis Beatty. The > 1813 date came from the 1880 census, but if he was born in 1813, he would > have been 50 years old when he enlisted. His date of birth works out > correctly to be 1819 knowing that he was 44 years old when he enlisted in > 1863. However, one of the affidavits a had his age at 52 in 1864, a year > after he enlisted, which would make his birth year 1812. > > > > I hate to bore everyone and keep going over this, but I am trying to > understand a few more things, and I do intend to try to find out if anyone > in our family has a birth record or a death record on James, and to ask how > do we know that his middle name was Lewis, and how do we know that there > were four with the same name? Just from the inquiring I have done on the > internet, it seems impossible to get a birth record or a death record in the > state of Ohio and in the state of Indiana, but I need to know how we got an > exact birth and death date for our James Lewis Beatty. I do have a marriage > record, and they were married in Mercer County, Ohio on 14 December 1840. > The marriage record states that he was "of lawful age" when he married Ann > Maria Wilcox. So if "Lawful Age" is 21 years, then that also makes his > birth date 1819. The witnesses at their wedding were: Hallabuud or > Hallabund H. Willcox (Spelled Hallaboo in the sentence that James L. Bea(t)y > signed as having witnes! > > sed Hallabuud sign his name!). Under Hallabuud's name were the names > Jennine or Jennie J. Willcox (sic), and Jane Willcox (sic). > > > > Back to Kentucky for a minute. My great-aunt Hazel (Cowles) Beatty copied > these "Notes from the Editor," who must have been Mr. Coleman who wrote "Col > eman's History," and he must have been the writer who covered the 100-year > celebration, when ministers from all denominations met and had their > pictures taken standing around outside the Meeting House. At the time of > the centennial celebration, the original picture was hanging in an office > of the Narcotics Hospital. The story was written using Rev. Asbury's > Journal and Whatcoat's Journal. > > > > Hazel quotes Coleman: > > "Richard Masterson moved from Virginia to Fayette County, Kentucky about > 1784(?) and erected the first Methodist Meeting House in the state. It was > located five miles northwest of Lexington, near Greendale on the site now > occupied by the U.S. Narcotic Hospital (Now a Federal Prison). The Federal > Government gave the east portion to Lexington for a park, which part > includes the site of the house. There is an Historical Marker set in > concrete on the site with a wire fence around it. The cemetery is a short > distance away. It contains James Beatty's grave among others. His is in > the N.. West corner, 2nd from the west wall and beside the north wall." > > > > This is not the first time that I have noticed Louisville mentioned in > connection with this James (below), whose daughter Barbara married Daniel > Spurr. Louisville is a long distance from Lexington. Does anyone know for > certain where this James (Below, Book O, page 238) is buried? Also, is this > Robert (Will Book O, page 223) the brother of this James? It is difficult > to find a map that shows exactly what Fayette County looked like in 1792. > Did it encompass Louisville, as well as, Lexington? > > > > Now that our L-39 will be merging with L-134, we are looking for a Robert > but the Robert below (Will Book O, page 223) has to be the generation before > ours. > > > > Here is a surprising observation. Our James Lewis Beatty, who was born in > Stark County, Ohio on 20 Nov. 1819 and died in South Bend, St. Joseph > County, Indiana on 17 Oct. 1888, was examined by a Dr. William W. Dudley > more than a few times during the 22 years that he was trying to get his > pension, and James was in Field Hospitals in Lexington, Louisville, Alabama, > Tennessee, Iowa, and Georgia. It could be that the two doctors were > related, possibly brothers, but I understood that Dr. William W. Dudley was > a military doctor from the "Pension House," as James L. Beatty had written > in one of his letters. > > > > A very surprising thing happened a couple of days ago and I have e-mailed > Sue Knost and Julie Miller about it. I remembered a Muskegon Beatty right > here in our town and I searched for the 10-12 pages that he got from his > father to give to me back in 1991 or 1992. I had seen a newspaper article > about him, and later, I met his wife. The names on the pages he gave me did > not mean much to me back then, but I know now, that the > great-great-grandfather of his father was a brother of my > great-great-grandfather, James Lewis Beatty! He had the death date (1849) > of my James' father, and his John was born in Massillon, Stark Co., OH and > died in 1877. Supposedly, there were 18 children, which is what L-134 > believed, but there seems to be only 13 children, 8 by James' first wife, > Anne Kehl, and 5 with his second wife, Anna Clayman. Possibly some died > young, and, possibly a few children were in the other household during a > census enumeration, and researchers picked up a few more chil! > > dren that way. > > > > The local family has a copy of a biography published in the "City of > Massillon," and "H. Beatty," born 16 Dec. 1816, was the subject of the > article. Henry was he 5th in a family of 8 children of James and Mary > (Kate) Beatty. The next sentence in this biography is "James was born in > the north of Ireland, and settled in Baltimore, having four sons - James, > John, Robert, and Hugh." Lineage 134 must have always had the same "City of > Massillon" biography of H. Beatty. I guess Anne Marie (Kehl) and Mary > (Kate) could be one and the same woman, and she could have had nicknames of > "Polly, Molly, or Kate." > > > > Our family has grabbed onto the given names of Clinton, Clements, Martin, > and Lewis, thinking that they could be maiden names, but when I look at all > of the "BATES" Families in the book "HISTORY and GENEALOGY of the Families > of Chesterfield, Massachusetts, 1762-1962 by Ruth A. Baker, pages 37-42, > there were three generations before Solomon Bates, who was born 13 Aprl > 1706, and these were given names of the generations before : > Joshua > > Joseph > Clement, so the name Clement has nothing to do with our politics. > There was also an early Clinton. There are families with the surname LEWIS > in Ohio, but the name Lewis could, it seems that everyone has a few, just > like the name "Jesse James." We have more than a few of those, so the > "Story" gets started that we are related to the infamous Jesse James. I > have saved a few online trees with the two surnames JAMES and BEATTY in > them. > > > > One more thing bothering me. Since my James Lewis Beatty's name has not > been seen on any legal document spelled that way, should I change his name > to just James L. Beaty, or James L. Beaty III, until we find out if there is > a fourth James L. Beaty? Or do I just let him be James Lewie Beatty IV > until further notice? > > > > Lois Kortering > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Donna VanZandt" <donavan@netins.net> > > To: <BP2000-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 11:43 AM > > Subject: [BP2000] Fayette co., KY Will > > > > > > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > Fayette co., KY > > > Will Book O- Oct. 1838-Feb. 1841 > > > Will Book O pg. 223 Robert Beatty Will > > > > > > Being Low in health but of sound and disposing mind and calling to mind > the > > > uncertainty of life and the certainty of death. I do make and ordain > this > > > my last will and testament as followeth. First, I will and direct that > my > > > body be buried as my wife shall direct. Secondly, I direct that all my > just > > > debts shall be paid. I will and devise my whole estate of every > description > > > to my beloved wife, Margaret Beatty and I do hereby constitute and > appoint > > > my said wife executrix to this my will and should I hereafter acquire, > my > > > estate real or personal of which I may be possessed or to which I may > have > > > claim. I will and devise, also, all such estate as I may die possessed > of > > > so after acquired. The true intent and meaning of this my will being to > > > give all my estate of every description and all interest in such estate > as I > > > may die possessed of or in any wise entitled to, to my said wife during > her > > > life. And it is my will that Dr. Benjamin W. Dudley who has been our > friend > > > for the last twenty years shall continue his friendship and protection > to my > > > wife with a view to secure her comfort and independence, and at her > death > > > that he shall inherit all the property both real and personal that may > > > belong to the estate. In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand > and > > > seal this 29th day of January AD 1836. > > > > > > Robert Beatty > > > > > > Signed, Sealed and delivered in the Presence of: > > > John Henry > > > A. Gebney > > > Geo. W. Dozier > > > > > > Fayette County, to wit, September Court 1839 > > > > This writing purporting to be the last will and testament of Robt. > Beatty, > > > deceased was produced in court and fully proved by John Henry, A. > Gebney, > > > and Geo. W. Dozier, the subscribing witnesses thereto and ordered to be > > > recorded which is truly done in my office. > > > > > > AH JC Rodes, Clk. > > > > > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Book O pg. 238 (L-1) (excerpts) > > > > > > The estate of James Beatty, deceased in acct. with William Potts, exor. > and > > > Richard J. Spurr, admr. of Daniel Spurr, executor of said James Beatty, > > > deceased. > > > > > > List of debts: > > > Shroud, casket, etc. taxes due in 1820, head & foot stone, > > > (few of interest): > > > Traveling expenses to Paris > > > Traveling expenses to Winchester > > > Bourbon co. clerk's fee > > > Fayette clerk's fee > > > Clerk Louisville court > > > Paid James Beatty legacy $1500 > > >(2 pages) > > > Verified correct-22 July 1839 > > > > > > Dan Bradford > > > Jer'h Kertley > > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > Donna L-3 > > > > > > > > > > ==== BP2000 Mailing List ==== > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > > The Threaded Mail List Archiver at RootsWeb > > A powerful search engine.... Try it! > > > > > > > ==== BP2000 Mailing List ==== > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > The Threaded Mail List Archiver at RootsWeb > A powerful search engine.... Try it! >