Donna and BP Listers, It is interesting that my great-aunt Hazel (Cowles) Beatty and my mother were convinced that this James Beatty (Below, Book O, page 238) was our James Beatty II, who went to Fayette County in 1790, and Hazel even found his grave, and made rubbings of the gravestone. I know Fayette County was formed in 1792, and according to our "Story," it was the father of our James IV who was born in Kentucky in 1791 a year after his parents settled in Fayette County. I have already been told by Ray that this James has been very well documented, so I am not trying to "Claim" him, but I still like to question and wonder. It seems that none of the Beattys in Lineage 134 ever went to Kentucky, but since we know nothing about the James we are going to be calling the grandfather of my James IV--except the "Story" that he came from Ireland when he was 2-4 years old and had four sons, Hugh, James, John, and Robert, not even his wife's name--then, any surprising story could develop. My James IV really does fit the description of their "Missing James," who was one of the 13-18 children of James with his first wife. Our James had listed all of the addresses where he lived during the years he was trying to get a pension, and they were the towns where, not only his children, but his siblings lived. Plus, a few of James' children and their spouses had written letters to the military to vouch for James' debilitating condition, and had signed their names on affidavits. He moved around and lived with his adult children for the last fourteen years of his life after his wife died in 1874. Now, it seems that my James' father who died in 1849, according to the family legend of Lineage 134, was born in Ireland and came here when he was 2-4 years old. We know nothing about the grandfather of my James. He and his wife, or maybe not a wife, brought the father of my James to this country after he was born in Ireland on 02 May 1782. who died in 1849. We might still be looking for a fourth James. There is the question of the birth date of my James Lewis Beatty. The 1813 date came from the 1880 census, but if he was born in 1813, he would have been 50 years old when he enlisted. His date of birth works out correctly to be 1819 knowing that he was 44 years old when he enlisted in 1863. However, one of the affidavits a had his age at 52 in 1864, a year after he enlisted, which would make his birth year 1812. I hate to bore everyone and keep going over this, but I am trying to understand a few more things, and I do intend to try to find out if anyone in our family has a birth record or a death record on James, and to ask how do we know that his middle name was Lewis, and how do we know that there were four with the same name? Just from the inquiring I have done on the internet, it seems impossible to get a birth record or a death record in the state of Ohio and in the state of Indiana, but I need to know how we got an exact birth and death date for our James Lewis Beatty. I do have a marriage record, and they were married in Mercer County, Ohio on 14 December 1840. The marriage record states that he was "of lawful age" when he married Ann Maria Wilcox. So if "Lawful Age" is 21 years, then that also makes his birth date 1819. The witnesses at their wedding were: Hallabuud or Hallabund H. Willcox (Spelled Hallaboo in the sentence that James L. Bea(t)y signed as having witnes! sed Hallabuud sign his name!). Under Hallabuud's name were the names Jennine or Jennie J. Willcox (sic), and Jane Willcox (sic). Back to Kentucky for a minute. My great-aunt Hazel (Cowles) Beatty copied these "Notes from the Editor," who must have been Mr. Coleman who wrote "Coleman's History," and he must have been the writer who covered the 100-year celebration, when ministers from all denominations met and had their pictures taken standing around outside the Meeting House. At the time of the centennial celebration, the original picture was hanging in an office of the Narcotics Hospital. The story was written using Rev. Asbury's Journal and Whatcoat's Journal. Hazel quotes Coleman: "Richard Masterson moved from Virginia to Fayette County, Kentucky about 1784(?) and erected the first Methodist Meeting House in the state. It was located five miles northwest of Lexington, near Greendale on the site now occupied by the U.S. Narcotic Hospital (Now a Federal Prison). The Federal Government gave the east portion to Lexington for a park, which part includes the site of the house. There is an Historical Marker set in concrete on the site with a wire fence around it. The cemetery is a short distance away. It contains James Beatty's grave among others. His is in the N.. West corner, 2nd from the west wall and beside the north wall." This is not the first time that I have noticed Louisville mentioned in connection with this James (below), whose daughter Barbara married Daniel Spurr. Louisville is a long distance from Lexington. Does anyone know for certain where this James (Below, Book O, page 238) is buried? Also, is this Robert (Will Book O, page 223) the brother of this James? It is difficult to find a map that shows exactly what Fayette County looked like in 1792. Did it encompass Louisville, as well as, Lexington? Now that our L-39 will be merging with L-134, we are looking for a Robert but the Robert below (Will Book O, page 223) has to be the generation before ours. Here is a surprising observation. Our James Lewis Beatty, who was born in Stark County, Ohio on 20 Nov. 1819 and died in South Bend, St. Joseph County, Indiana on 17 Oct. 1888, was examined by a Dr. William W. Dudley more than a few times during the 22 years that he was trying to get his pension, and James was in Field Hospitals in Lexington, Louisville, Alabama, Tennessee, Iowa, and Georgia. It could be that the two doctors were related, possibly brothers, but I understood that Dr. William W. Dudley was a military doctor from the "Pension House," as James L. Beatty had written in one of his letters. A very surprising thing happened a couple of days ago and I have e-mailed Sue Knost and Julie Miller about it. I remembered a Muskegon Beatty right here in our town and I searched for the 10-12 pages that he got from his father to give to me back in 1991 or 1992. I had seen a newspaper article about him, and later, I met his wife. The names on the pages he gave me did not mean much to me back then, but I know now, that the great-great-grandfather of his father was a brother of my great-great-grandfather, James Lewis Beatty! He had the death date (1849) of my James' father, and his John was born in Massillon, Stark Co., OH and died in 1877. Supposedly, there were 18 children, which is what L-134 believed, but there seems to be only 13 children, 8 by James' first wife, Anne Kehl, and 5 with his second wife, Anna Clayman. Possibly some died young, and, possibly a few children were in the other household during a census enumeration, and researchers picked up a few more chil! dren that way. The local family has a copy of a biography published in the "City of Massillon," and "H. Beatty," born 16 Dec. 1816, was the subject of the article. Henry was he 5th in a family of 8 children of James and Mary (Kate) Beatty. The next sentence in this biography is "James was born in the north of Ireland, and settled in Baltimore, having four sons - James, John, Robert, and Hugh." Lineage 134 must have always had the same "City of Massillon" biography of H. Beatty. I guess Anne Marie (Kehl) and Mary (Kate) could be one and the same woman, and she could have had nicknames of "Polly, Molly, or Kate." Our family has grabbed onto the given names of Clinton, Clements, Martin, and Lewis, thinking that they could be maiden names, but when I look at all of the "BATES" Families in the book "HISTORY and GENEALOGY of the Families of Chesterfield, Massachusetts, 1762-1962 by Ruth A. Baker, pages 37-42, there were three generations before Solomon Bates, who was born 13 Aprl 1706, and these were given names of the generations before : > Joshua > Joseph > Clement, so the name Clement has nothing to do with our politics. There was also an early Clinton. There are families with the surname LEWIS in Ohio, but the name Lewis could, it seems that everyone has a few, just like the name "Jesse James." We have more than a few of those, so the "Story" gets started that we are related to the infamous Jesse James. I have saved a few online trees with the two surnames JAMES and BEATTY in them. One more thing bothering me. Since my James Lewis Beatty's name has not been seen on any legal document spelled that way, should I change his name to just James L. Beaty, or James L. Beaty III, until we find out if there is a fourth James L. Beaty? Or do I just let him be James Lewie Beatty IV until further notice? Lois Kortering ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna VanZandt" <donavan@netins.net> To: <BP2000-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 11:43 AM Subject: [BP2000] Fayette co., KY Will > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Fayette co., KY > Will Book O- Oct. 1838-Feb. 1841 > Will Book O pg. 223 Robert Beatty Will > > Being Low in health but of sound and disposing mind and calling to mind the > uncertainty of life and the certainty of death. I do make and ordain this > my last will and testament as followeth. First, I will and direct that my > body be buried as my wife shall direct. Secondly, I direct that all my just > debts shall be paid. I will and devise my whole estate of every description > to my beloved wife, Margaret Beatty and I do hereby constitute and appoint > my said wife executrix to this my will and should I hereafter acquire, my > estate real or personal of which I may be possessed or to which I may have > claim. I will and devise, also, all such estate as I may die possessed of > so after acquired. The true intent and meaning of this my will being to > give all my estate of every description and all interest in such estate as I > may die possessed of or in any wise entitled to, to my said wife during her > life. And it is my will that Dr. Benjamin W. Dudley who has been our friend > for the last twenty years shall continue his friendship and protection to my > wife with a view to secure her comfort and independence, and at her death > that he shall inherit all the property both real and personal that may > belong to the estate. In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and > seal this 29th day of January AD 1836. > > Robert Beatty > > Signed, Sealed and delivered in the Presence of: > John Henry > A. Gebney > Geo. W. Dozier > > Fayette County, to wit, September Court 1839 > > This writing purporting to be the last will and testament of Robt. Beatty, > deceased was produced in court and fully proved by John Henry, A. Gebney, > and Geo. W. Dozier, the subscribing witnesses thereto and ordered to be > recorded which is truly done in my office. > > AH JC Rodes, Clk. > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Book O pg. 238 (L-1) (excerpts) > > The estate of James Beatty, deceased in acct. with William Potts, exor. and > Richard J. Spurr, admr. of Daniel Spurr, executor of said James Beatty, > deceased. > > List of debts: > Shroud, casket, etc. taxes due in 1820, head & foot stone, > (few of interest): > Traveling expenses to Paris > Traveling expenses to Winchester > Bourbon co. clerk's fee > Fayette clerk's fee > Clerk Louisville court > Paid James Beatty legacy $1500 >(2 pages) > Verified correct-22 July 1839 > > Dan Bradford > Jer'h Kertley > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Donna L-3

Lois and all "of lawful age" in Ohio in the 1800's - was that really age 21? Where do we find that sort of info out? It seems that farm children where treated as adults at a much younger age than we impose now on children. I also had a similar conversation with someone about early wars and the age that one could enlist - I seem to remember that there were a lot of "minor" that ran off to join the war referring both to the Civil and Independence - how do we know just because they are listed that they were at least 18? I guess I would have to argue against changing the b-dates etc... unless you have something more concrete or more than one something that corroborates. On the subject of James -- there are tons and poor documentation for many I would not be quick to assume anything with this group (smile) Oh, and my Bettie family did marry into my Lewis family -- just much later generationally than you are looking for Bobbie > -----Original Message----- > From: Lois [mailto:lekort@comcast.net] > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 2:36 PM > To: BP2000-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BP2000] Fayette co., KY Will > > Donna and BP Listers, > > It is interesting that my great-aunt Hazel (Cowles) Beatty and my mother > were convinced that this James Beatty (Below, Book O, page 238) was our > James Beatty II, who went to Fayette County in 1790, and Hazel even found > his grave, and made rubbings of the gravestone. I know Fayette County was > formed in 1792, and according to our "Story," it was the father of our > James IV who was born in Kentucky in 1791 a year after his parents settled > in Fayette County. I have already been told by Ray that this James has > been very well documented, so I am not trying to "Claim" him, but I still > like to question and wonder. > > It seems that none of the Beattys in Lineage 134 ever went to Kentucky, > but since we know nothing about the James we are going to be calling the > grandfather of my James IV--except the "Story" that he came from Ireland > when he was 2-4 years old and had four sons, Hugh, James, John, and > Robert, not even his wife's name--then, any surprising story could > develop. My James IV really does fit the description of their "Missing > James," who was one of the 13-18 children of James with his first wife. > Our James had listed all of the addresses where he lived during the years > he was trying to get a pension, and they were the towns where, not only > his children, but his siblings lived. Plus, a few of James' children and > their spouses had written letters to the military to vouch for James' > debilitating condition, and had signed their names on affidavits. He > moved around and lived with his adult children for the last fourteen years > of his life after his wife died in 1874. > > Now, it seems that my James' father who died in 1849, according to the > family legend of Lineage 134, was born in Ireland and came here when he > was 2-4 years old. We know nothing about the grandfather of my James. He > and his wife, or maybe not a wife, brought the father of my James to this > country after he was born in Ireland on 02 May 1782. who died in 1849. We > might still be looking for a fourth James. > > There is the question of the birth date of my James Lewis Beatty. The > 1813 date came from the 1880 census, but if he was born in 1813, he would > have been 50 years old when he enlisted. His date of birth works out > correctly to be 1819 knowing that he was 44 years old when he enlisted in > 1863. However, one of the affidavits a had his age at 52 in 1864, a year > after he enlisted, which would make his birth year 1812. > > I hate to bore everyone and keep going over this, but I am trying to > understand a few more things, and I do intend to try to find out if anyone > in our family has a birth record or a death record on James, and to ask > how do we know that his middle name was Lewis, and how do we know that > there were four with the same name? Just from the inquiring I have done > on the internet, it seems impossible to get a birth record or a death > record in the state of Ohio and in the state of Indiana, but I need to > know how we got an exact birth and death date for our James Lewis Beatty. > I do have a marriage record, and they were married in Mercer County, Ohio > on 14 December 1840. The marriage record states that he was "of lawful > age" when he married Ann Maria Wilcox. So if "Lawful Age" is 21 years, > then that also makes his birth date 1819. The witnesses at their wedding > were: Hallabuud or Hallabund H. Willcox (Spelled Hallaboo in the sentence > that James L. Bea(t)y signed as having witnes! > sed Hallabuud sign his name!). Under Hallabuud's name were the names > Jennine or Jennie J. Willcox (sic), and Jane Willcox (sic). > > Back to Kentucky for a minute. My great-aunt Hazel (Cowles) Beatty copied > these "Notes from the Editor," who must have been Mr. Coleman who wrote > "Coleman's History," and he must have been the writer who covered the 100- > year celebration, when ministers from all denominations met and had their > pictures taken standing around outside the Meeting House. At the time of > the centennial celebration, the original picture was hanging in an office > of the Narcotics Hospital. The story was written using Rev. Asbury's > Journal and Whatcoat's Journal. > > Hazel quotes Coleman: > "Richard Masterson moved from Virginia to Fayette County, Kentucky about > 1784(?) and erected the first Methodist Meeting House in the state. It > was located five miles northwest of Lexington, near Greendale on the site > now occupied by the U.S. Narcotic Hospital (Now a Federal Prison). The > Federal Government gave the east portion to Lexington for a park, which > part includes the site of the house. There is an Historical Marker set in > concrete on the site with a wire fence around it. The cemetery is a short > distance away. It contains James Beatty's grave among others. His is in > the N.. West corner, 2nd from the west wall and beside the north wall." > > This is not the first time that I have noticed Louisville mentioned in > connection with this James (below), whose daughter Barbara married Daniel > Spurr. Louisville is a long distance from Lexington. Does anyone know > for certain where this James (Below, Book O, page 238) is buried? Also, > is this Robert (Will Book O, page 223) the brother of this James? It is > difficult to find a map that shows exactly what Fayette County looked like > in 1792. Did it encompass Louisville, as well as, Lexington? > > Now that our L-39 will be merging with L-134, we are looking for a Robert > but the Robert below (Will Book O, page 223) has to be the generation > before ours. > > Here is a surprising observation. Our James Lewis Beatty, who was born in > Stark County, Ohio on 20 Nov. 1819 and died in South Bend, St. Joseph > County, Indiana on 17 Oct. 1888, was examined by a Dr. William W. Dudley > more than a few times during the 22 years that he was trying to get his > pension, and James was in Field Hospitals in Lexington, Louisville, > Alabama, Tennessee, Iowa, and Georgia. It could be that the two doctors > were related, possibly brothers, but I understood that Dr. William W. > Dudley was a military doctor from the "Pension House," as James L. Beatty > had written in one of his letters. > > A very surprising thing happened a couple of days ago and I have e-mailed > Sue Knost and Julie Miller about it. I remembered a Muskegon Beatty right > here in our town and I searched for the 10-12 pages that he got from his > father to give to me back in 1991 or 1992. I had seen a newspaper article > about him, and later, I met his wife. The names on the pages he gave me > did not mean much to me back then, but I know now, that the great-great- > grandfather of his father was a brother of my great-great-grandfather, > James Lewis Beatty! He had the death date (1849) of my James' father, and > his John was born in Massillon, Stark Co., OH and died in 1877. > Supposedly, there were 18 children, which is what L-134 believed, but > there seems to be only 13 children, 8 by James' first wife, Anne Kehl, and > 5 with his second wife, Anna Clayman. Possibly some died young, and, > possibly a few children were in the other household during a census > enumeration, and researchers picked up a few more chil! > dren that way. > > The local family has a copy of a biography published in the "City of > Massillon," and "H. Beatty," born 16 Dec. 1816, was the subject of the > article. Henry was he 5th in a family of 8 children of James and Mary > (Kate) Beatty. The next sentence in this biography is "James was born in > the north of Ireland, and settled in Baltimore, having four sons - James, > John, Robert, and Hugh." Lineage 134 must have always had the same "City > of Massillon" biography of H. Beatty. I guess Anne Marie (Kehl) and Mary > (Kate) could be one and the same woman, and she could have had nicknames > of "Polly, Molly, or Kate." > > Our family has grabbed onto the given names of Clinton, Clements, Martin, > and Lewis, thinking that they could be maiden names, but when I look at > all of the "BATES" Families in the book "HISTORY and GENEALOGY of the > Families of Chesterfield, Massachusetts, 1762-1962 by Ruth A. Baker, pages > 37-42, there were three generations before Solomon Bates, who was born 13 > Aprl 1706, and these were given names of the generations before : > > Joshua > Joseph > Clement, so the name Clement has nothing to do with our > politics. There was also an early Clinton. There are families with the > surname LEWIS in Ohio, but the name Lewis could, it seems that everyone > has a few, just like the name "Jesse James." We have more than a few of > those, so the "Story" gets started that we are related to the infamous > Jesse James. I have saved a few online trees with the two surnames JAMES > and BEATTY in them. > > One more thing bothering me. Since my James Lewis Beatty's name has not > been seen on any legal document spelled that way, should I change his name > to just James L. Beaty, or James L. Beaty III, until we find out if there > is a fourth James L. Beaty? Or do I just let him be James Lewie Beatty IV > until further notice? > > Lois Kortering > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna VanZandt" <donavan@netins.net> > To: <BP2000-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 11:43 AM > Subject: [BP2000] Fayette co., KY Will > > > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Fayette co., KY > > Will Book O- Oct. 1838-Feb. 1841 > > Will Book O pg. 223 Robert Beatty Will > > > > Being Low in health but of sound and disposing mind and calling to mind > the > > uncertainty of life and the certainty of death. I do make and ordain > this > > my last will and testament as followeth. First, I will and direct that > my > > body be buried as my wife shall direct. Secondly, I direct that all my > just > > debts shall be paid. I will and devise my whole estate of every > description > > to my beloved wife, Margaret Beatty and I do hereby constitute and > appoint > > my said wife executrix to this my will and should I hereafter acquire, > my > > estate real or personal of which I may be possessed or to which I may > have > > claim. I will and devise, also, all such estate as I may die possessed > of > > so after acquired. The true intent and meaning of this my will being to > > give all my estate of every description and all interest in such estate > as I > > may die possessed of or in any wise entitled to, to my said wife during > her > > life. And it is my will that Dr. Benjamin W. Dudley who has been our > friend > > for the last twenty years shall continue his friendship and protection > to my > > wife with a view to secure her comfort and independence, and at her > death > > that he shall inherit all the property both real and personal that may > > belong to the estate. In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand > and > > seal this 29th day of January AD 1836. > > > > Robert Beatty > > > > Signed, Sealed and delivered in the Presence of: > > John Henry > > A. Gebney > > Geo. W. Dozier > > > > Fayette County, to wit, September Court 1839 > > > This writing purporting to be the last will and testament of Robt. > Beatty, > > deceased was produced in court and fully proved by John Henry, A. > Gebney, > > and Geo. W. Dozier, the subscribing witnesses thereto and ordered to be > > recorded which is truly done in my office. > > > > AH JC Rodes, Clk. > > > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Book O pg. 238 (L-1) (excerpts) > > > > The estate of James Beatty, deceased in acct. with William Potts, exor. > and > > Richard J. Spurr, admr. of Daniel Spurr, executor of said James Beatty, > > deceased. > > > > List of debts: > > Shroud, casket, etc. taxes due in 1820, head & foot stone, > > (few of interest): > > Traveling expenses to Paris > > Traveling expenses to Winchester > > Bourbon co. clerk's fee > > Fayette clerk's fee > > Clerk Louisville court > > Paid James Beatty legacy $1500 > >(2 pages) > > Verified correct-22 July 1839 > > > > Dan Bradford > > Jer'h Kertley > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > Donna L-3 > > > > > ==== BP2000 Mailing List ==== > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > The Threaded Mail List Archiver at RootsWeb > A powerful search engine.... Try it!

KY county formation maps from 1776 to 1939 can be viewed here, sequentially or otherwise. http://www.segenealogy.com/kentucky/ky_maps/ky_cf.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois" <lekort@comcast.net> To: <BP2000-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [BP2000] Fayette co., KY Will > Donna and BP Listers, > > It is interesting that my great-aunt Hazel (Cowles) Beatty and my mother were convinced that this James Beatty (Below, Book O, page 238) was our James Beatty II, who went to Fayette County in 1790, and Hazel even found his grave, and made rubbings of the gravestone. I know Fayette County was formed in 1792, and according to our "Story," it was the father of our James IV who was born in Kentucky in 1791 a year after his parents settled in Fayette County. I have already been told by Ray that this James has been very well documented, so I am not trying to "Claim" him, but I still like to question and wonder. > > It seems that none of the Beattys in Lineage 134 ever went to Kentucky, but since we know nothing about the James we are going to be calling the grandfather of my James IV--except the "Story" that he came from Ireland when he was 2-4 years old and had four sons, Hugh, James, John, and Robert, not even his wife's name--then, any surprising story could develop. My James IV really does fit the description of their "Missing James," who was one of the 13-18 children of James with his first wife. Our James had listed all of the addresses where he lived during the years he was trying to get a pension, and they were the towns where, not only his children, but his siblings lived. Plus, a few of James' children and their spouses had written letters to the military to vouch for James' debilitating condition, and had signed their names on affidavits. He moved around and lived with his adult children for the last fourteen years of his life after his wife died in 1874. > > Now, it seems that my James' father who died in 1849, according to the family legend of Lineage 134, was born in Ireland and came here when he was 2-4 years old. We know nothing about the grandfather of my James. He and his wife, or maybe not a wife, brought the father of my James to this country after he was born in Ireland on 02 May 1782. who died in 1849. We might still be looking for a fourth James. > > There is the question of the birth date of my James Lewis Beatty. The 1813 date came from the 1880 census, but if he was born in 1813, he would have been 50 years old when he enlisted. His date of birth works out correctly to be 1819 knowing that he was 44 years old when he enlisted in 1863. However, one of the affidavits a had his age at 52 in 1864, a year after he enlisted, which would make his birth year 1812. > > I hate to bore everyone and keep going over this, but I am trying to understand a few more things, and I do intend to try to find out if anyone in our family has a birth record or a death record on James, and to ask how do we know that his middle name was Lewis, and how do we know that there were four with the same name? Just from the inquiring I have done on the internet, it seems impossible to get a birth record or a death record in the state of Ohio and in the state of Indiana, but I need to know how we got an exact birth and death date for our James Lewis Beatty. I do have a marriage record, and they were married in Mercer County, Ohio on 14 December 1840. The marriage record states that he was "of lawful age" when he married Ann Maria Wilcox. So if "Lawful Age" is 21 years, then that also makes his birth date 1819. The witnesses at their wedding were: Hallabuud or Hallabund H. Willcox (Spelled Hallaboo in the sentence that James L. Bea(t)y signed as having witnes! > sed Hallabuud sign his name!). Under Hallabuud's name were the names Jennine or Jennie J. Willcox (sic), and Jane Willcox (sic). > > Back to Kentucky for a minute. My great-aunt Hazel (Cowles) Beatty copied these "Notes from the Editor," who must have been Mr. Coleman who wrote "Col eman's History," and he must have been the writer who covered the 100-year celebration, when ministers from all denominations met and had their pictures taken standing around outside the Meeting House. At the time of the centennial celebration, the original picture was hanging in an office of the Narcotics Hospital. The story was written using Rev. Asbury's Journal and Whatcoat's Journal. > > Hazel quotes Coleman: > "Richard Masterson moved from Virginia to Fayette County, Kentucky about 1784(?) and erected the first Methodist Meeting House in the state. It was located five miles northwest of Lexington, near Greendale on the site now occupied by the U.S. Narcotic Hospital (Now a Federal Prison). The Federal Government gave the east portion to Lexington for a park, which part includes the site of the house. There is an Historical Marker set in concrete on the site with a wire fence around it. The cemetery is a short distance away. It contains James Beatty's grave among others. His is in the N.. West corner, 2nd from the west wall and beside the north wall." > > This is not the first time that I have noticed Louisville mentioned in connection with this James (below), whose daughter Barbara married Daniel Spurr. Louisville is a long distance from Lexington. Does anyone know for certain where this James (Below, Book O, page 238) is buried? Also, is this Robert (Will Book O, page 223) the brother of this James? It is difficult to find a map that shows exactly what Fayette County looked like in 1792. Did it encompass Louisville, as well as, Lexington? > > Now that our L-39 will be merging with L-134, we are looking for a Robert but the Robert below (Will Book O, page 223) has to be the generation before ours. > > Here is a surprising observation. Our James Lewis Beatty, who was born in Stark County, Ohio on 20 Nov. 1819 and died in South Bend, St. Joseph County, Indiana on 17 Oct. 1888, was examined by a Dr. William W. Dudley more than a few times during the 22 years that he was trying to get his pension, and James was in Field Hospitals in Lexington, Louisville, Alabama, Tennessee, Iowa, and Georgia. It could be that the two doctors were related, possibly brothers, but I understood that Dr. William W. Dudley was a military doctor from the "Pension House," as James L. Beatty had written in one of his letters. > > A very surprising thing happened a couple of days ago and I have e-mailed Sue Knost and Julie Miller about it. I remembered a Muskegon Beatty right here in our town and I searched for the 10-12 pages that he got from his father to give to me back in 1991 or 1992. I had seen a newspaper article about him, and later, I met his wife. The names on the pages he gave me did not mean much to me back then, but I know now, that the great-great-grandfather of his father was a brother of my great-great-grandfather, James Lewis Beatty! He had the death date (1849) of my James' father, and his John was born in Massillon, Stark Co., OH and died in 1877. Supposedly, there were 18 children, which is what L-134 believed, but there seems to be only 13 children, 8 by James' first wife, Anne Kehl, and 5 with his second wife, Anna Clayman. Possibly some died young, and, possibly a few children were in the other household during a census enumeration, and researchers picked up a few more chil! > dren that way. > > The local family has a copy of a biography published in the "City of Massillon," and "H. Beatty," born 16 Dec. 1816, was the subject of the article. Henry was he 5th in a family of 8 children of James and Mary (Kate) Beatty. The next sentence in this biography is "James was born in the north of Ireland, and settled in Baltimore, having four sons - James, John, Robert, and Hugh." Lineage 134 must have always had the same "City of Massillon" biography of H. Beatty. I guess Anne Marie (Kehl) and Mary (Kate) could be one and the same woman, and she could have had nicknames of "Polly, Molly, or Kate." > > Our family has grabbed onto the given names of Clinton, Clements, Martin, and Lewis, thinking that they could be maiden names, but when I look at all of the "BATES" Families in the book "HISTORY and GENEALOGY of the Families of Chesterfield, Massachusetts, 1762-1962 by Ruth A. Baker, pages 37-42, there were three generations before Solomon Bates, who was born 13 Aprl 1706, and these were given names of the generations before : > Joshua > Joseph > Clement, so the name Clement has nothing to do with our politics. There was also an early Clinton. There are families with the surname LEWIS in Ohio, but the name Lewis could, it seems that everyone has a few, just like the name "Jesse James." We have more than a few of those, so the "Story" gets started that we are related to the infamous Jesse James. I have saved a few online trees with the two surnames JAMES and BEATTY in them. > > One more thing bothering me. Since my James Lewis Beatty's name has not been seen on any legal document spelled that way, should I change his name to just James L. Beaty, or James L. Beaty III, until we find out if there is a fourth James L. Beaty? Or do I just let him be James Lewie Beatty IV until further notice? > > Lois Kortering > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna VanZandt" <donavan@netins.net> > To: <BP2000-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 11:43 AM > Subject: [BP2000] Fayette co., KY Will > > > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Fayette co., KY > > Will Book O- Oct. 1838-Feb. 1841 > > Will Book O pg. 223 Robert Beatty Will > > > > Being Low in health but of sound and disposing mind and calling to mind the > > uncertainty of life and the certainty of death. I do make and ordain this > > my last will and testament as followeth. First, I will and direct that my > > body be buried as my wife shall direct. Secondly, I direct that all my just > > debts shall be paid. I will and devise my whole estate of every description > > to my beloved wife, Margaret Beatty and I do hereby constitute and appoint > > my said wife executrix to this my will and should I hereafter acquire, my > > estate real or personal of which I may be possessed or to which I may have > > claim. I will and devise, also, all such estate as I may die possessed of > > so after acquired. The true intent and meaning of this my will being to > > give all my estate of every description and all interest in such estate as I > > may die possessed of or in any wise entitled to, to my said wife during her > > life. And it is my will that Dr. Benjamin W. Dudley who has been our friend > > for the last twenty years shall continue his friendship and protection to my > > wife with a view to secure her comfort and independence, and at her death > > that he shall inherit all the property both real and personal that may > > belong to the estate. In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and > > seal this 29th day of January AD 1836. > > > > Robert Beatty > > > > Signed, Sealed and delivered in the Presence of: > > John Henry > > A. Gebney > > Geo. W. Dozier > > > > Fayette County, to wit, September Court 1839 > > > This writing purporting to be the last will and testament of Robt. Beatty, > > deceased was produced in court and fully proved by John Henry, A. Gebney, > > and Geo. W. Dozier, the subscribing witnesses thereto and ordered to be > > recorded which is truly done in my office. > > > > AH JC Rodes, Clk. > > > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Book O pg. 238 (L-1) (excerpts) > > > > The estate of James Beatty, deceased in acct. with William Potts, exor. and > > Richard J. Spurr, admr. of Daniel Spurr, executor of said James Beatty, > > deceased. > > > > List of debts: > > Shroud, casket, etc. taxes due in 1820, head & foot stone, > > (few of interest): > > Traveling expenses to Paris > > Traveling expenses to Winchester > > Bourbon co. clerk's fee > > Fayette clerk's fee > > Clerk Louisville court > > Paid James Beatty legacy $1500 > >(2 pages) > > Verified correct-22 July 1839 > > > > Dan Bradford > > Jer'h Kertley > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > Donna L-3 > > > > > ==== BP2000 Mailing List ==== > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > The Threaded Mail List Archiver at RootsWeb > A powerful search engine.... Try it! > >

Has anyone seen the death notice/Biography of Henry Beatty on Ancestry.com in the newspaper section? {May 15, 1899, Massillion Indep.} There is a lot of interesting information in this bio. It states that he was born in Franklin Co, PA on Dec. 16, 1816 the fifth of 8 children. The family came west in 1818 locating first in KY but later moving across the river." I can transcribe this if anyone is interested. There are also about 10 or so other mentions of Henry in the same paper, different dates. Laurel Baty, L252 Lois wrote: > Donna and BP Listers, > > It is interesting that my great-aunt Hazel (Cowles) Beatty and my mother were convinced that this James Beatty (Below, Book O, page 238) was our James Beatty II, who went to Fayette County in 1790, and Hazel even found his grave, and made rubbings of the gravestone. I know Fayette County was formed in 1792, and according to our "Story," it was the father of our James IV who was born in Kentucky in 1791 a year after his parents settled in Fayette County. I have already been told by Ray that this James has been very well documented, so I am not trying to "Claim" him, but I still like to question and wonder. > > It seems that none of the Beattys in Lineage 134 ever went to Kentucky, but since we know nothing about the James we are going to be calling the grandfather of my James IV--except the "Story" that he came from Ireland when he was 2-4 years old and had four sons, Hugh, James, John, and Robert, not even his wife's name--then, any surprising story could develop. My James IV really does fit the description of their "Missing James," who was one of the 13-18 children of James with his first wife. Our James had listed all of the addresses where he lived during the years he was trying to get a pension, and they were the towns where, not only his children, but his siblings lived. Plus, a few of James' children and their spouses had written letters to the military to vouch for James' debilitating condition, and had signed their names on affidavits. He moved around and lived with his adult children for the last fourteen years of his life after his wife died in 1874. > > Now, it seems that my James' father who died in 1849, according to the family legend of Lineage 134, was born in Ireland and came here when he was 2-4 years old. We know nothing about the grandfather of my James. He and his wife, or maybe not a wife, brought the father of my James to this country after he was born in Ireland on 02 May 1782. who died in 1849. We might still be looking for a fourth James. > > There is the question of the birth date of my James Lewis Beatty. The 1813 date came from the 1880 census, but if he was born in 1813, he would have been 50 years old when he enlisted. His date of birth works out correctly to be 1819 knowing that he was 44 years old when he enlisted in 1863. However, one of the affidavits a had his age at 52 in 1864, a year after he enlisted, which would make his birth year 1812. > > I hate to bore everyone and keep going over this, but I am trying to understand a few more things, and I do intend to try to find out if anyone in our family has a birth record or a death record on James, and to ask how do we know that his middle name was Lewis, and how do we know that there were four with the same name? Just from the inquiring I have done on the internet, it seems impossible to get a birth record or a death record in the state of Ohio and in the state of Indiana, but I need to know how we got an exact birth and death date for our James Lewis Beatty. I do have a marriage record, and they were married in Mercer County, Ohio on 14 December 1840. The marriage record states that he was "of lawful age" when he married Ann Maria Wilcox. So if "Lawful Age" is 21 years, then that also makes his birth date 1819. The witnesses at their wedding were: Hallabuud or Hallabund H. Willcox (Spelled Hallaboo in the sentence that James L. Bea(t)y signed as having witn! es! > sed Hallabuud sign his name!). Under Hallabuud's name were the names Jennine or Jennie J. Willcox (sic), and Jane Willcox (sic). > > Back to Kentucky for a minute. My great-aunt Hazel (Cowles) Beatty copied these "Notes from the Editor," who must have been Mr. Coleman who wrote "Coleman's History," and he must have been the writer who covered the 100-year celebration, when ministers from all denominations met and had their pictures taken standing around outside the Meeting House. At the time of the centennial celebration, the original picture was hanging in an office of the Narcotics Hospital. The story was written using Rev. Asbury's Journal and Whatcoat's Journal. > > Hazel quotes Coleman: > "Richard Masterson moved from Virginia to Fayette County, Kentucky about 1784(?) and erected the first Methodist Meeting House in the state. It was located five miles northwest of Lexington, near Greendale on the site now occupied by the U.S. Narcotic Hospital (Now a Federal Prison). The Federal Government gave the east portion to Lexington for a park, which part includes the site of the house. There is an Historical Marker set in concrete on the site with a wire fence around it. The cemetery is a short distance away. It contains James Beatty's grave among others. His is in the N.. West corner, 2nd from the west wall and beside the north wall." > > This is not the first time that I have noticed Louisville mentioned in connection with this James (below), whose daughter Barbara married Daniel Spurr. Louisville is a long distance from Lexington. Does anyone know for certain where this James (Below, Book O, page 238) is buried? Also, is this Robert (Will Book O, page 223) the brother of this James? It is difficult to find a map that shows exactly what Fayette County looked like in 1792. Did it encompass Louisville, as well as, Lexington? > > Now that our L-39 will be merging with L-134, we are looking for a Robert but the Robert below (Will Book O, page 223) has to be the generation before ours. > > Here is a surprising observation. Our James Lewis Beatty, who was born in Stark County, Ohio on 20 Nov. 1819 and died in South Bend, St. Joseph County, Indiana on 17 Oct. 1888, was examined by a Dr. William W. Dudley more than a few times during the 22 years that he was trying to get his pension, and James was in Field Hospitals in Lexington, Louisville, Alabama, Tennessee, Iowa, and Georgia. It could be that the two doctors were related, possibly brothers, but I understood that Dr. William W. Dudley was a military doctor from the "Pension House," as James L. Beatty had written in one of his letters. > > A very surprising thing happened a couple of days ago and I have e-mailed Sue Knost and Julie Miller about it. I remembered a Muskegon Beatty right here in our town and I searched for the 10-12 pages that he got from his father to give to me back in 1991 or 1992. I had seen a newspaper article about him, and later, I met his wife. The names on the pages he gave me did not mean much to me back then, but I know now, that the great-great-grandfather of his father was a brother of my great-great-grandfather, James Lewis Beatty! He had the death date (1849) of my James' father, and his John was born in Massillon, Stark Co., OH and died in 1877. Supposedly, there were 18 children, which is what L-134 believed, but there seems to be only 13 children, 8 by James' first wife, Anne Kehl, and 5 with his second wife, Anna Clayman. Possibly some died young, and, possibly a few children were in the other household during a census enumeration, and researchers picked up a few more ch! il! > dren that way. > > The local family has a copy of a biography published in the "City of Massillon," and "H. Beatty," born 16 Dec. 1816, was the subject of the article. Henry was he 5th in a family of 8 children of James and Mary (Kate) Beatty. The next sentence in this biography is "James was born in the north of Ireland, and settled in Baltimore, having four sons - James, John, Robert, and Hugh." Lineage 134 must have always had the same "City of Massillon" biography of H. Beatty. I guess Anne Marie (Kehl) and Mary (Kate) could be one and the same woman, and she could have had nicknames of "Polly, Molly, or Kate." > > Our family has grabbed onto the given names of Clinton, Clements, Martin, and Lewis, thinking that they could be maiden names, but when I look at all of the "BATES" Families in the book "HISTORY and GENEALOGY of the Families of Chesterfield, Massachusetts, 1762-1962 by Ruth A. Baker, pages 37-42, there were three generations before Solomon Bates, who was born 13 Aprl 1706, and these were given names of the generations before : > Joshua > Joseph > Clement, so the name Clement has nothing to do with our politics. There was also an early Clinton. There are families with the surname LEWIS in Ohio, but the name Lewis could, it seems that everyone has a few, just like the name "Jesse James." We have more than a few of those, so the "Story" gets started that we are related to the infamous Jesse James. I have saved a few online trees with the two surnames JAMES and BEATTY in them. > > One more thing bothering me. Since my James Lewis Beatty's name has not been seen on any legal document spelled that way, should I change his name to just James L. Beaty, or James L. Beaty III, until we find out if there is a fourth James L. Beaty? Or do I just let him be James Lewie Beatty IV until further notice? > > Lois Kortering > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna VanZandt" <donavan@netins.net> > To: <BP2000-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 11:43 AM > Subject: [BP2000] Fayette co., KY Will > > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Fayette co., KY > > Will Book O- Oct. 1838-Feb. 1841 > > Will Book O pg. 223 Robert Beatty Will > > > > Being Low in health but of sound and disposing mind and calling to mind the > > uncertainty of life and the certainty of death. I do make and ordain this > > my last will and testament as followeth. First, I will and direct that my > > body be buried as my wife shall direct. Secondly, I direct that all my just > > debts shall be paid. I will and devise my whole estate of every description > > to my beloved wife, Margaret Beatty and I do hereby constitute and appoint > > my said wife executrix to this my will and should I hereafter acquire, my > > estate real or personal of which I may be possessed or to which I may have > > claim. I will and devise, also, all such estate as I may die possessed of > > so after acquired. The true intent and meaning of this my will being to > > give all my estate of every description and all interest in such estate as I > > may die possessed of or in any wise entitled to, to my said wife during her > > life. And it is my will that Dr. Benjamin W. Dudley who has been our friend > > for the last twenty years shall continue his friendship and protection to my > > wife with a view to secure her comfort and independence, and at her death > > that he shall inherit all the property both real and personal that may > > belong to the estate. In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and > > seal this 29th day of January AD 1836. > > > > Robert Beatty > > > > Signed, Sealed and delivered in the Presence of: > > John Henry > > A. Gebney > > Geo. W. Dozier > > > > Fayette County, to wit, September Court 1839 > > > This writing purporting to be the last will and testament of Robt. Beatty, > > deceased was produced in court and fully proved by John Henry, A. Gebney, > > and Geo. W. Dozier, the subscribing witnesses thereto and ordered to be > > recorded which is truly done in my office. > > > > AH JC Rodes, Clk. > > > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Book O pg. 238 (L-1) (excerpts) > > > > The estate of James Beatty, deceased in acct. with William Potts, exor. and > > Richard J. Spurr, admr. of Daniel Spurr, executor of said James Beatty, > > deceased. > > > > List of debts: > > Shroud, casket, etc. taxes due in 1820, head & foot stone, > > (few of interest): > > Traveling expenses to Paris > > Traveling expenses to Winchester > > Bourbon co. clerk's fee > > Fayette clerk's fee > > Clerk Louisville court > > Paid James Beatty legacy $1500 > >(2 pages) > > Verified correct-22 July 1839 > > > > Dan Bradford > > Jer'h Kertley > > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > Donna L-3 > > ==== BP2000 Mailing List ==== > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > The Threaded Mail List Archiver at RootsWeb > A powerful search engine.... Try it!