Hello Group, Just in the last week or so, I have come in contact with Vivien Ann Beattie Parry that is the daughter of a Robert Beattie Family. My Wife, Donna, and I visited Robert and his wife in North Ireland at their home a number of years ago. At the time we only new that Robert Beattie had a daughter and that was it. Recently Vivien was given some of her deceased Father’s Genealogy Records that included my E-mail address and she very quickly contacted me. Vivien is a native of County Down, North Ireland and still lives there in Moneyreagh and would like to determined how her family relates to those in America. I have told her about our DNA program and she is anxious to locate a male family member that is willing to provide a test sample. I have added Vivien’s FamilyTree below. Barry Hubert Beattie, L – 98. San Marcos, San Diego Co., CA She wrote: Hi Barry Yes’ I do mean Ballykeel ,Edengonnell, Hillsborough. Approx 10 kilometers from where I’m sitting at this moment--sorry I really should write the whole address---its just that these places are so familiar to me I forget that half a world away you need the whole address; and I do mean Ayrshire Scotland (I was actually in Stranraer in Dumfries and Galloway just south of Ayrshire in Scotland on a visit to one of Mums (step mum) niece's less than a month ago. From here in Moneyreagh (5/6 kilometeres outside Belfast and 7 kilometers from Newtownards) it is only a 30 minute car drive and a 2 hour ferry (approx20 kilometers) to Stranrear Scotland; then less than one hours drive has you well inside the County of Ayrshire Scotland.( as 'the crow flies' Hillsborough Northern Ireland and Ayrshire Scotland are only about 30/40 kilometers apart) Descendant List of James BEATTY, b. abt 1670 (This part is Undocumented & in Work as of 2-Nov-10) 1-James BEATTY (abt 1670-) from County of Ayrshire, Scotland, d. at Edenagonnell, Hillsborough Parish in County Down, North Ireland +Agnes UNKNOWN (-) .. 2-John BEATTY (abt 1722-1765) born Edenagonnell, Hillsborough Parish in County Down, North Ireland, d. 1765 .. +Jane SWAN (abt 1727-1817) born Edenagonnell, Hillsborough Parish in County Down, North Ireland, d. 1817 .... 3-David BEATTY (abt 1742-) .... 3-Jane Jean BEATTY (abt 1744-) .... 3-Thomas BEATTY (abt 1747-1817) …. 3-Samuel BEATTY (abt 1751-1833) .... 3-William BEATTY (abt 1756-1828) .... 3-James BEATTY (abt 1761-1843) born Edenagonnell, Hillsborough Parish in County Down, North Ireland, d. 1843 (This part is Documented) ......4-Robert BEATTY (abt 1800-) born Ballykeel, Edengonnell or Comber, Newtownards area of Co Down Northern Ireland ......+Agnes? RANDALS? (-) ........5-James BEATTIE (abt 1839-11 Dec 1896) born Comber or Newtownards areas Co Down, North Ireland ........+Mary POTTS (1834-23 Nov 1907) ..........6-Liza BEATTIE (-) ..........6-Robert James BEATTIE (30 Jun 1864-13 Mar 1930) born Newtownards Co Down Northern Ireland ..........+Mary MACKAY (29 Jan 1865-) ............7-John BEATTIE (11 Apr 1897-21 Apr 1981) born Mill Street or Frederick Street Newtownards Co Down Northern Ireland ............+Lillian SEXTON (23 Feb 1900-15 Jan 1973) born Liverpool ..............8-Robert BEATTIE (23 Dec 1926-21 Nov 1988) born 136 Hyndford Street, Belfast, North Ireland ..............+Muriel BEGGS (31 Aug 1929-) born Belfast, Co., Down, North Ireland ................9-Vivien Ann BEATTIE (27 Sep 1956-) born Mater Hospital, Belfast, Co. Down, North Ireland Note - 1. Vivien Ann Beattie Parry’s Current looking for a DNA Donor from her family line. 2. Vivien Ann Beattie Parry E-mail Address, Vivien Parry parryvivien@yahoo.co.uk 3. Vivien Ann Beattie Parry has lived all her life in County Down, North Ireland

Dear Cousins, In the genealogy listed in the email A New Beattie Family Line from Ballykeel, Edengonnell Hillsborough, County Down, North Ireland I note that the birth and death dates for Thomas Beatty match very closely with those of my great, great, great grandfather Thomas Beaty who is listed in a book on the history of Washington County Pennsylvania as having been "born in Ireland". Thomas is the progenitor of BP lineage 044, and we know his yDNA. Also, several of the names of his siblings match names of his children (He had 12). Could we correspond and share more information? Marvin Beatty

The progenitor of line 69 William M Beatty was from Hillsborough County Down. I have also seen the names Ballykeel and I believe Edengonnell associated with him. If I am reading the DNA tables correctly, and I am not sure I am, there is only one variation of difference between line 44 shown in group 2 and line 69 shown in group Jock > Sandle. It would be interesting to look for other sons of James b abt 1670 that might have had a William b 1750. -----Original Message----- From: bp2000-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bp2000-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marvin Beatty Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 9:26 PM To: bp2000@rootsweb.com; Julie Beatty Subject: Re: [BP2000] A New Beattie Family Line from Ballykeel , Edengonnell, Hillsborough, County Down, North Ireland Dear Cousins, In the genealogy listed in the email A New Beattie Family Line from Ballykeel, Edengonnell Hillsborough, County Down, North Ireland I note that the birth and death dates for Thomas Beatty match very closely with those of my great, great, great grandfather Thomas Beaty who is listed in a book on the history of Washington County Pennsylvania as having been "born in Ireland". Thomas is the progenitor of BP lineage 044, and we know his yDNA. Also, several of the names of his siblings match names of his children (He had 12). Could we correspond and share more information? Marvin Beatty Remember - To remove un-needed email text from your replys ********************* Visit Project website at: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bp2000/ ~~~~~~~~~~~ Visit Beatty Y-DNA Project at: http://www.beattydna.org/ ********************* Mailing List's Archives at: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/surname/b/bp2000.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BP2000-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Alan, reading Y-DNA results is fairly easy. You compare each individual marker to the other person's marker. So if you were looking at marker DYS 393 and Man "A" was DYS393=12 and Man "B" was DYS393=14, these two men would be 2 TWO steps of difference from each other. Steps of difference are accumulative. Normally it is that simple you look and count the differences. But, there are times when it isn't that easy... and you would need to ask advise. It is believed that all men living today descend from one common ancestor. Haplogroup Adam.. from there all haplogroups developed... (remember haplogroups are SNP markers) this took hundreds of thousands of years... A match between two men must start with matching haplogroups; after that you look at your haplotype. (STR markers) That is where you get the steps of differences. Different admins may use a lower or higher number of differences...for a match; but it is about 3-5 depending on which markers are mutated. So if I am (a Man) and I'm say 3 steps of difference from you at 37 markers then we are related with in the time frame of the use of surnames. It could be close timewise or 20 - 30 generations away. Where the mutations happened, and how they changed can help the admin deterime these answers. Hope that helps Nelda ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o Nelda L. Percival SSGT, E6, US ARMY ret. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o

Alan, You wrote: <<If I am reading the DNA tables correctly, and I am not sure I am, there is only one variation of difference between line 44 shown in group 2 and line 69 shown in group Jock > Sandle.>> You are not reading the tables correctly. In the lower table, the Jock/Sandie subgroup is part of Group 01 (our Adam group) which has one reference haplotype. Group 2 (which contains Lineage 44) has a different reference haplotype. The reason L-44 is in a separate group is because Group 2 is a genetic distance of 15 from Group 1. In other words, they are not genetically related. Regarding the term "genetically related," if one subscribes to the hypothesis that all humans are descended from a common ancestor, say 350,000 years ago, then sure, all humans are genetically related. But, that is a huge span of time to try to draw conclusions. I leave that to others. Ordinarily, we carry on these discussions on GenMatch, which was created for this purpose. But, since this thread was started here, I thought it appropriate to comment on BP-2000. Les Beaty, L-20

Hello Alan Beattey & Marvin Beatty, To date Vivien Ann Beattie Parry has not joined this group mainly because she did not know that there were so many in America that were interested. I am forwarding your messages to her in hopes that she will soon join our group. She is very busy right now searching for a documented male in her family line that will participate with a DNA sample to determine how close our American family lineages are to hers. I have listed her E-mail address so that you may contact her directly for now. Vivien Parry <parryvivien@yahoo.co.uk>. May we find a Beaty, Beatty, Beattie Ireland connection soon. Barry Hubert Beattie, L – 98. ---- Marvin Beatty <mtbeatty@wisc.edu> wrote: > Dear Cousins, > In the genealogy listed in the email A New Beattie Family Line from > Ballykeel, Edengonnell Hillsborough, County Down, North Ireland I note > that the birth and death dates for Thomas Beatty match very closely with > those of my great, great, great grandfather Thomas Beaty who is listed > in a book on the history of Washington County Pennsylvania as having > been "born in Ireland". Thomas is the progenitor of BP lineage 044, and > we know his yDNA. Also, several of the names of his siblings match > names of his children (He had 12). Could we correspond and share more > information? > Marvin Beatty > Remember - To remove un-needed email text from your replys > ********************* > Visit Project website at: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bp2000/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~ > Visit Beatty Y-DNA Project at: http://www.beattydna.org/ > ********************* > Mailing List's Archives at: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/surname/b/bp2000.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BP2000-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message