Hi Nelda, Perhaps you are referring to my mention of "Scotch House" which was near Harrods in Knightsbridge, central London, and which was for many decades was the most famous Scottish traditional outfitters, bespoke and off the peg, outside Scotland and an upmarket department store for all things Scottish including an enormous range of tartan cloth. But it is now no more, having been finally taken over by Burberrys in the last 10 years. It was indeed an irony that it used the name 'Scotch', given that - as you point out - its only approved usage is as a generic name for whisky distilled in Scotland. However, there is also a chain of restaurants in London called the Scotch Steak House (not highly rated!). And of course we shouldn't forget 'Scotch eggs' - for the uninitiated, these are shelled hard-boiled eggs wrapped in sausage-meat, rolled in breadcrumbs, deep fried, cut in half and served cold for picnics and summer buffets, originally invented by a London department store in the 18th century - and an acquired taste. "Scott" with double-t is always either a first/Christian name or surname and never used in the spelling of Scotsman or Scotswoman to define a person from Scotland, though both are now more usually referred to as 'a Scot' / 'the Scots', which conveniently gets round the gender issue without recourse to such a hideous, politically-correct hybrid as a 'Scotsperson'! Diana (from Aberdeen) On 16 Oct 2010, at 08:00, bp2000-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 17:07:56 -0500 > From: Nelda Percival <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [BP2000] BP2000 Digest, Vol 5, Issue 114 > To: <bp2000@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <COL116-W39D16C14F1A2668AD3F00AE4570@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Hi, there is no such thing as a scotchman, unless your talking about a man who drinks Scotch. It is Scotsman. Can't remember if it is single or double T.. Scots or Scotts. I was very sternly letured by a Native Scotsman I corresponded with. > > If you want factual information about Scotland's Heraldy /Clans / Tertans and who can use them.... use this link: > > This is the Kingdom Herald > The Court of the Lord Lyon - the official heraldry office for Scotland > The Court of the Lord Lyon is the heraldic authority for Scotland and deals with all matters relating to Scottish Heraldry and Coats of Arms and maintains the Scottish Public Registers of Arms and Genealogies. > WEBSITE: > The Court of The Lord Lyon: > http://www.lyon-court.com/lordlyon/CCC_FirstPage.jsp > > Nelda > > ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o > Nelda L. Percival > SSGT, E6, US ARMY ret. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ > ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 18:38:42 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Thomas M. Beatty" <tkbpop@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [BP2000] BP2000 Digest, Vol 5, Issue 114 > To: bp2000@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <127245.18857.qm@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Thanks for the link, Nelda. I will try it with my question. Hey, who said > "Scotchman?" I do not recall that I did as I have long know that Scotch is what > you drink. A Scot or Scott is what you may be. > tomb > > >

Correction: Scotch as a name for whisky isn't is "only approved usage", but for anyone who may be interested see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotch :-D Begin forwarded message: > From: Diana Daly <diana.daly@btinternet.com> > Date: 16 October 2010 11:47:06 GMT+01:00 > To: bp2000@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: BP2000 Digest, Vol 5, Issue 115 > > Hi Nelda, > > Perhaps you are referring to my mention of "Scotch House" which was near Harrods in Knightsbridge, central London, and which was for many decades was the most famous Scottish traditional outfitters, bespoke and off the peg, outside Scotland and an upmarket department store for all things Scottish including an enormous range of tartan cloth. But it is now no more, having been finally taken over by Burberrys in the last 10 years. It was indeed an irony that it used the name 'Scotch', given that - as you point out - its only approved usage is as a generic name for whisky distilled in Scotland. > > However, there is also a chain of restaurants in London called the Scotch Steak House (not highly rated!). And of course we shouldn't forget 'Scotch eggs' - for the uninitiated, these are shelled hard-boiled eggs wrapped in sausage-meat, rolled in breadcrumbs, deep fried, cut in half and served cold for picnics and summer buffets, originally invented by a London department store in the 18th century - and an acquired taste. > > "Scott" with double-t is always either a first/Christian name or surname and never used in the spelling of Scotsman or Scotswoman to define a person from Scotland, though both are now more usually referred to as 'a Scot' / 'the Scots', which conveniently gets round the gender issue without recourse to such a hideous, politically-correct hybrid as a 'Scotsperson'! > > Diana (from Aberdeen) > > > > > On 16 Oct 2010, at 08:00, bp2000-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 17:07:56 -0500 >> From: Nelda Percival <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [BP2000] BP2000 Digest, Vol 5, Issue 114 >> To: <bp2000@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <COL116-W39D16C14F1A2668AD3F00AE4570@phx.gbl> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> Hi, there is no such thing as a scotchman, unless your talking about a man who drinks Scotch. It is Scotsman. Can't remember if it is single or double T.. Scots or Scotts. I was very sternly letured by a Native Scotsman I corresponded with. >> >> If you want factual information about Scotland's Heraldy /Clans / Tertans and who can use them.... use this link: >> >> This is the Kingdom Herald >> The Court of the Lord Lyon - the official heraldry office for Scotland >> The Court of the Lord Lyon is the heraldic authority for Scotland and deals with all matters relating to Scottish Heraldry and Coats of Arms and maintains the Scottish Public Registers of Arms and Genealogies. >> WEBSITE: >> The Court of The Lord Lyon: >> http://www.lyon-court.com/lordlyon/CCC_FirstPage.jsp >> >> Nelda >> >> ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o >> Nelda L. Percival >> SSGT, E6, US ARMY ret. >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ >> ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 18:38:42 -0700 (PDT) >> From: "Thomas M. Beatty" <tkbpop@yahoo.com> >> Subject: Re: [BP2000] BP2000 Digest, Vol 5, Issue 114 >> To: bp2000@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <127245.18857.qm@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Thanks for the link, Nelda. I will try it with my question. Hey, who said >> "Scotchman?" I do not recall that I did as I have long know that Scotch is what >> you drink. A Scot or Scott is what you may be. >> tomb >> >> >> >

Hi Diana, LOL.. do you think possibly the use of Scotch in those names of places, may have been for us Citzens of the USA. Who, most until corrected use / used Scotch for a person? (Just kidding of course.) If you descend a female line are you still entitled to the connection to a Highland clan? and do /did Lowlanders ever belong to clans, if not I wonder why? Scotish surnames I descend from: Elspeth Scot - before 1687 Dron, Perth Co., Scotland (Lowlander?or?) Margrat Walker - Dron, Perth Co., Scotland (Lowlander?or?) Sarah Brown - Dron, Perth Co., Scotland (Lowlander?or?) All married into Gillock - Gilloch ~~~~ John Beatty - 1587 Ayrshire, Scotland Margaret Thompson date? unk. wife if John Jane Ross - before 1664 Ayrshire, Scotland ~~~~~~~ Don't think I have any other known Scots in my lineage. I'd never use Scotsperson. Can you get to poltically correct?.. ECK! Nelda ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o Nelda L. Percival SSGT, E6, US ARMY ret. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o ---------------------------------------- > From: diana.daly@btinternet.com > Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 11:56:46 +0100 > To: bp2000@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BP2000] Fwd: BP2000 Digest, Vol 5, Issue 115 > > Correction: Scotch as a name for whisky isn't is "only approved usage", but for anyone who may be interested see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotch > > :-D > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: Diana Daly > > Date: 16 October 2010 11:47:06 GMT+01:00 > > To: bp2000@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: BP2000 Digest, Vol 5, Issue 115 > > > > Hi Nelda, > > > > Perhaps you are referring to my mention of "Scotch House" which was near Harrods in Knightsbridge, central London, and which was for many decades was the most famous Scottish traditional outfitters, bespoke and off the peg, outside Scotland and an upmarket department store for all things Scottish including an enormous range of tartan cloth. But it is now no more, having been finally taken over by Burberrys in the last 10 years. It was indeed an irony that it used the name 'Scotch', given that - as you point out - its only approved usage is as a generic name for whisky distilled in Scotland. > > > > However, there is also a chain of restaurants in London called the Scotch Steak House (not highly rated!). And of course we shouldn't forget 'Scotch eggs' - for the uninitiated, these are shelled hard-boiled eggs wrapped in sausage-meat, rolled in breadcrumbs, deep fried, cut in half and served cold for picnics and summer buffets, originally invented by a London department store in the 18th century - and an acquired taste. > > > > "Scott" with double-t is always either a first/Christian name or surname and never used in the spelling of Scotsman or Scotswoman to define a person from Scotland, though both are now more usually referred to as 'a Scot' / 'the Scots', which conveniently gets round the gender issue without recourse to such a hideous, politically-correct hybrid as a 'Scotsperson'! > > > > Diana (from Aberdeen) > > > > > > > > > > On 16 Oct 2010, at 08:00, bp2000-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > >> > >> Message: 2 > >> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 17:07:56 -0500 > >> From: Nelda Percival > >> Subject: Re: [BP2000] BP2000 Digest, Vol 5, Issue 114 > >> To: > >> Message-ID: > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >> > >> > >> Hi, there is no such thing as a scotchman, unless your talking about a man who drinks Scotch. It is Scotsman. Can't remember if it is single or double T.. Scots or Scotts. I was very sternly letured by a Native Scotsman I corresponded with. > >> > >> If you want factual information about Scotland's Heraldy /Clans / Tertans and who can use them.... use this link: > >> > >> This is the Kingdom Herald > >> The Court of the Lord Lyon - the official heraldry office for Scotland > >> The Court of the Lord Lyon is the heraldic authority for Scotland and deals with all matters relating to Scottish Heraldry and Coats of Arms and maintains the Scottish Public Registers of Arms and Genealogies. > >> WEBSITE: > >> The Court of The Lord Lyon: > >> http://www.lyon-court.com/lordlyon/CCC_FirstPage.jsp > >> > >> Nelda > >> > >> ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o > >> Nelda L. Percival > >> SSGT, E6, US ARMY ret. > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ > >> ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 4 > >> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 18:38:42 -0700 (PDT) > >> From: "Thomas M. Beatty" > >> Subject: Re: [BP2000] BP2000 Digest, Vol 5, Issue 114 > >> To: bp2000@rootsweb.com > >> Message-ID: <127245.18857.qm@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >> > >> Thanks for the link, Nelda. I will try it with my question. Hey, who said > >> "Scotchman?" I do not recall that I did as I have long know that Scotch is what > >> you drink. A Scot or Scott is what you may be. > >> tomb > >> > >> > >> > > > > Remember - To remove un-needed email text from your replys > ********************* > Visit Project website at: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bp2000/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~ > Visit Beatty Y-DNA Project at: http://www.beattydna.org/ > ********************* > Mailing List's Archives at: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/surname/b/bp2000.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BP2000-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Hi Do