Hi Betty, Normally Mike Allen assigns new lineage numbers. Did he assign yours? I would have hoped you were part of L-05 - mine, guess that's not our genetic connection. Nelda ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o Nelda L. Percival SSGT, E6, US ARMY ret. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o

Have received a letter from The Court of the Lord Lyon claiming authority on the subject and stating with regards to clans citing Frank Adam's Clans, Septs & Regiments of the Scottish Highlands, "I can find no reference therein to the surname Beatty, however spelt." He further notes that "Beattys" usually linked to the Borders would be unlikely to be considered a Sept of a Highland clan. Although he notes that some claim Beatty to be linked to the surname Bartholomew, a Sept of either MacFarlanes or Lelies----both Highland clans or Northeast Scotland surnames. He furthers states that he can find no reference to anyone who has been recognized as Chief of the surname Beatty, thus no crest, badge, nor coat of arms has descended to later generations. I will post the complete letter if any think it is worth the effort. Thomas M. Beatty, Line 199

Hello! I'm new to the Beatty Project, and apparently I have a Beatty in my past who doesn't seem to have a Beatty family to fit into. I'm hoping one (or more) of you might have her lurking somewhere in your family tree... Here's what I know: Martha BATY or BEATTY, b abt 1796/97, Greenbrier, VA. Mother's maiden name *may* have been Burns. Moved to Ohio around 1817 and married, in 1821, John MARTIN (b 1797, VA, died 1849 Jackson Co. OH). Lived in Jackson Co., Ohio. Had at least 9 children (listed below). Died 5 Sep 1864, and is buried in Jackson Furnace Cemetary. Her children include: Sarah MARTIN b 22 Nov 1821 d 14 Nov 1895, m 1839 Patrick BEARS James W MARTIN b 1823 d 7 Mar 1882, m 1853 Elizabeth SLAUGHTER John MARTIN b 1824/25, m 1853 Hannah Jane BUTLER Nancy MARTIN b 9 Oct 1832 d 13 Apr 1910, m 1856 George BAKER Everly MARTIN b Feb 1835, m 1857 Eunice MEAD Benjamin Franklin MARTIN b18 Aug 1838 d 26 Nov 1893, m 1865 Frances CANTER Tryus J. MARTIN b 18 Feb 1840 d 16 May 1903, m 1866/67 Louise LOUDERBACK Jared MARTIN b 17 Jun 1843 d 12 Feb 1919, m 1871/72 Sarah REED Martha Jane MARTIN b 8 Jul 1847 d 5 Sep 1864 John Frederick Cartan's Family Tree, found at http://www.cartania.com/history/ancestors.html contains the following: Martha J. Baty or Beatty (1797 - 1864). My mother's mother's mother's mother's mother. Born July 6, 1797 in Greenbrier County, Virginia. Mother's maiden name may have been Burns. Reportedly came to Ohio in 1817. Raised eleven children. Died September 5, 1864 in Jackson County, Ohio. Buried in Jackson Furnace Cemetery (inscription faded). The 1850 Ohio Census states that she was 53 and was born in Virginia. Thanks for whatever help you can give! Betty Becker

Now why would I want to unsubscribe? -----Original Message----- From: beaty@mailaka.net To: bp2000@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, Oct 17, 2010 8:43 pm Subject: Re: [BP2000] Subscribe and unsubscribe notifications & why were youunsubscribed? pleasetranfermynameonmailing list to fbeaty@att.net To: bp2000@rootsweb.com Subject: [BP2000] Subscribe and unsubscribe notifications & why were youunsubscribed? Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 13:22:08 -0500 > > >Hi, >There have been some automatic unsubscribes lately. >WHY? >1. your ISP is returning rootsweb.com mail due to black listing.. >2. your mail box gets full > >If either of these happen 4 times the computer unsubs you... >Those happen without any action from me... > >I unsub a person for only one reason, Flaming another individual. > >Most discussions of rules are done off list for privacy, but,if I >thinkothers need the knowledge I will notofy the entire mailing list. > >If you find yourself unsubbed check your junk folder/ check your >account.. is it full, then check your ISP and ask if roots has been >black listed and inform them that you want the listing removed. > >Nelda > >~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o >Nelda L. Percival >SSGT, E6, US ARMY ret. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ >~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o >Remember - To remove un-needed email text from your replys >********************* >Visit Project website at: >http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bp2000/ >~~~~~~~~~~~ >Visit Beatty Y-DNA Project at: http://www.beattydna.org/ >********************* >Mailing List's Archives at: >http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/surname/b/bp2000.html > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >BP2000-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message Remember - To remove un-needed email text from your replys ********************* Visit Project website at: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bp2000/ ~~~~~~~~~~~ Visit Beatty Y-DNA Project at: http://www.beattydna.org/ ********************* Mailing List's Archives at: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/surname/b/bp2000.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BP2000-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

pleasetranfermynameonmailing list to fbeaty@att.net To: bp2000@rootsweb.com Subject: [BP2000] Subscribe and unsubscribe notifications & why were youunsubscribed? Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 13:22:08 -0500 > > >Hi, >There have been some automatic unsubscribes lately. >WHY? >1. your ISP is returning rootsweb.com mail due to black listing.. >2. your mail box gets full > >If either of these happen 4 times the computer unsubs you... >Those happen without any action from me... > >I unsub a person for only one reason, Flaming another individual. > >Most discussions of rules are done off list for privacy, but,if I >thinkothers need the knowledge I will notofy the entire mailing list. > >If you find yourself unsubbed check your junk folder/ check your >account.. is it full, then check your ISP and ask if roots has been >black listed and inform them that you want the listing removed. > >Nelda > >~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o >Nelda L. Percival >SSGT, E6, US ARMY ret. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ >~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o >Remember - To remove un-needed email text from your replys >********************* >Visit Project website at: >http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bp2000/ >~~~~~~~~~~~ >Visit Beatty Y-DNA Project at: http://www.beattydna.org/ >********************* >Mailing List's Archives at: >http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/surname/b/bp2000.html > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >BP2000-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, There have been some automatic unsubscribes lately. WHY? 1. your ISP is returning rootsweb.com mail due to black listing.. 2. your mail box gets full If either of these happen 4 times the computer unsubs you... Those happen without any action from me... I unsub a person for only one reason, Flaming another individual. Most discussions of rules are done off list for privacy, but,if I thinkothers need the knowledge I will notofy the entire mailing list. If you find yourself unsubbed check your junk folder/ check your account.. is it full, then check your ISP and ask if roots has been black listed and inform them that you want the listing removed. Nelda ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o Nelda L. Percival SSGT, E6, US ARMY ret. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o

Correction: Scotch as a name for whisky isn't is "only approved usage", but for anyone who may be interested see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotch :-D Begin forwarded message: > From: Diana Daly <diana.daly@btinternet.com> > Date: 16 October 2010 11:47:06 GMT+01:00 > To: bp2000@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: BP2000 Digest, Vol 5, Issue 115 > > Hi Nelda, > > Perhaps you are referring to my mention of "Scotch House" which was near Harrods in Knightsbridge, central London, and which was for many decades was the most famous Scottish traditional outfitters, bespoke and off the peg, outside Scotland and an upmarket department store for all things Scottish including an enormous range of tartan cloth. But it is now no more, having been finally taken over by Burberrys in the last 10 years. It was indeed an irony that it used the name 'Scotch', given that - as you point out - its only approved usage is as a generic name for whisky distilled in Scotland. > > However, there is also a chain of restaurants in London called the Scotch Steak House (not highly rated!). And of course we shouldn't forget 'Scotch eggs' - for the uninitiated, these are shelled hard-boiled eggs wrapped in sausage-meat, rolled in breadcrumbs, deep fried, cut in half and served cold for picnics and summer buffets, originally invented by a London department store in the 18th century - and an acquired taste. > > "Scott" with double-t is always either a first/Christian name or surname and never used in the spelling of Scotsman or Scotswoman to define a person from Scotland, though both are now more usually referred to as 'a Scot' / 'the Scots', which conveniently gets round the gender issue without recourse to such a hideous, politically-correct hybrid as a 'Scotsperson'! > > Diana (from Aberdeen) > > > > > On 16 Oct 2010, at 08:00, bp2000-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 17:07:56 -0500 >> From: Nelda Percival <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [BP2000] BP2000 Digest, Vol 5, Issue 114 >> To: <bp2000@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <COL116-W39D16C14F1A2668AD3F00AE4570@phx.gbl> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> Hi, there is no such thing as a scotchman, unless your talking about a man who drinks Scotch. It is Scotsman. Can't remember if it is single or double T.. Scots or Scotts. I was very sternly letured by a Native Scotsman I corresponded with. >> >> If you want factual information about Scotland's Heraldy /Clans / Tertans and who can use them.... use this link: >> >> This is the Kingdom Herald >> The Court of the Lord Lyon - the official heraldry office for Scotland >> The Court of the Lord Lyon is the heraldic authority for Scotland and deals with all matters relating to Scottish Heraldry and Coats of Arms and maintains the Scottish Public Registers of Arms and Genealogies. >> WEBSITE: >> The Court of The Lord Lyon: >> http://www.lyon-court.com/lordlyon/CCC_FirstPage.jsp >> >> Nelda >> >> ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o >> Nelda L. Percival >> SSGT, E6, US ARMY ret. >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ >> ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 18:38:42 -0700 (PDT) >> From: "Thomas M. Beatty" <tkbpop@yahoo.com> >> Subject: Re: [BP2000] BP2000 Digest, Vol 5, Issue 114 >> To: bp2000@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <127245.18857.qm@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Thanks for the link, Nelda. I will try it with my question. Hey, who said >> "Scotchman?" I do not recall that I did as I have long know that Scotch is what >> you drink. A Scot or Scott is what you may be. >> tomb >> >> >> >

Hi Nelda, Perhaps you are referring to my mention of "Scotch House" which was near Harrods in Knightsbridge, central London, and which was for many decades was the most famous Scottish traditional outfitters, bespoke and off the peg, outside Scotland and an upmarket department store for all things Scottish including an enormous range of tartan cloth. But it is now no more, having been finally taken over by Burberrys in the last 10 years. It was indeed an irony that it used the name 'Scotch', given that - as you point out - its only approved usage is as a generic name for whisky distilled in Scotland. However, there is also a chain of restaurants in London called the Scotch Steak House (not highly rated!). And of course we shouldn't forget 'Scotch eggs' - for the uninitiated, these are shelled hard-boiled eggs wrapped in sausage-meat, rolled in breadcrumbs, deep fried, cut in half and served cold for picnics and summer buffets, originally invented by a London department store in the 18th century - and an acquired taste. "Scott" with double-t is always either a first/Christian name or surname and never used in the spelling of Scotsman or Scotswoman to define a person from Scotland, though both are now more usually referred to as 'a Scot' / 'the Scots', which conveniently gets round the gender issue without recourse to such a hideous, politically-correct hybrid as a 'Scotsperson'! Diana (from Aberdeen) On 16 Oct 2010, at 08:00, bp2000-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 17:07:56 -0500 > From: Nelda Percival <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [BP2000] BP2000 Digest, Vol 5, Issue 114 > To: <bp2000@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <COL116-W39D16C14F1A2668AD3F00AE4570@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Hi, there is no such thing as a scotchman, unless your talking about a man who drinks Scotch. It is Scotsman. Can't remember if it is single or double T.. Scots or Scotts. I was very sternly letured by a Native Scotsman I corresponded with. > > If you want factual information about Scotland's Heraldy /Clans / Tertans and who can use them.... use this link: > > This is the Kingdom Herald > The Court of the Lord Lyon - the official heraldry office for Scotland > The Court of the Lord Lyon is the heraldic authority for Scotland and deals with all matters relating to Scottish Heraldry and Coats of Arms and maintains the Scottish Public Registers of Arms and Genealogies. > WEBSITE: > The Court of The Lord Lyon: > http://www.lyon-court.com/lordlyon/CCC_FirstPage.jsp > > Nelda > > ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o > Nelda L. Percival > SSGT, E6, US ARMY ret. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ > ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 18:38:42 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Thomas M. Beatty" <tkbpop@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [BP2000] BP2000 Digest, Vol 5, Issue 114 > To: bp2000@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <127245.18857.qm@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Thanks for the link, Nelda. I will try it with my question. Hey, who said > "Scotchman?" I do not recall that I did as I have long know that Scotch is what > you drink. A Scot or Scott is what you may be. > tomb > > >

Hi Diana, LOL.. do you think possibly the use of Scotch in those names of places, may have been for us Citzens of the USA. Who, most until corrected use / used Scotch for a person? (Just kidding of course.) If you descend a female line are you still entitled to the connection to a Highland clan? and do /did Lowlanders ever belong to clans, if not I wonder why? Scotish surnames I descend from: Elspeth Scot - before 1687 Dron, Perth Co., Scotland (Lowlander?or?) Margrat Walker - Dron, Perth Co., Scotland (Lowlander?or?) Sarah Brown - Dron, Perth Co., Scotland (Lowlander?or?) All married into Gillock - Gilloch ~~~~ John Beatty - 1587 Ayrshire, Scotland Margaret Thompson date? unk. wife if John Jane Ross - before 1664 Ayrshire, Scotland ~~~~~~~ Don't think I have any other known Scots in my lineage. I'd never use Scotsperson. Can you get to poltically correct?.. ECK! Nelda ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o Nelda L. Percival SSGT, E6, US ARMY ret. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o ---------------------------------------- > From: diana.daly@btinternet.com > Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 11:56:46 +0100 > To: bp2000@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BP2000] Fwd: BP2000 Digest, Vol 5, Issue 115 > > Correction: Scotch as a name for whisky isn't is "only approved usage", but for anyone who may be interested see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotch > > :-D > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: Diana Daly > > Date: 16 October 2010 11:47:06 GMT+01:00 > > To: bp2000@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: BP2000 Digest, Vol 5, Issue 115 > > > > Hi Nelda, > > > > Perhaps you are referring to my mention of "Scotch House" which was near Harrods in Knightsbridge, central London, and which was for many decades was the most famous Scottish traditional outfitters, bespoke and off the peg, outside Scotland and an upmarket department store for all things Scottish including an enormous range of tartan cloth. But it is now no more, having been finally taken over by Burberrys in the last 10 years. It was indeed an irony that it used the name 'Scotch', given that - as you point out - its only approved usage is as a generic name for whisky distilled in Scotland. > > > > However, there is also a chain of restaurants in London called the Scotch Steak House (not highly rated!). And of course we shouldn't forget 'Scotch eggs' - for the uninitiated, these are shelled hard-boiled eggs wrapped in sausage-meat, rolled in breadcrumbs, deep fried, cut in half and served cold for picnics and summer buffets, originally invented by a London department store in the 18th century - and an acquired taste. > > > > "Scott" with double-t is always either a first/Christian name or surname and never used in the spelling of Scotsman or Scotswoman to define a person from Scotland, though both are now more usually referred to as 'a Scot' / 'the Scots', which conveniently gets round the gender issue without recourse to such a hideous, politically-correct hybrid as a 'Scotsperson'! > > > > Diana (from Aberdeen) > > > > > > > > > > On 16 Oct 2010, at 08:00, bp2000-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > >> > >> Message: 2 > >> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 17:07:56 -0500 > >> From: Nelda Percival > >> Subject: Re: [BP2000] BP2000 Digest, Vol 5, Issue 114 > >> To: > >> Message-ID: > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >> > >> > >> Hi, there is no such thing as a scotchman, unless your talking about a man who drinks Scotch. It is Scotsman. Can't remember if it is single or double T.. Scots or Scotts. I was very sternly letured by a Native Scotsman I corresponded with. > >> > >> If you want factual information about Scotland's Heraldy /Clans / Tertans and who can use them.... use this link: > >> > >> This is the Kingdom Herald > >> The Court of the Lord Lyon - the official heraldry office for Scotland > >> The Court of the Lord Lyon is the heraldic authority for Scotland and deals with all matters relating to Scottish Heraldry and Coats of Arms and maintains the Scottish Public Registers of Arms and Genealogies. > >> WEBSITE: > >> The Court of The Lord Lyon: > >> http://www.lyon-court.com/lordlyon/CCC_FirstPage.jsp > >> > >> Nelda > >> > >> ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o > >> Nelda L. Percival > >> SSGT, E6, US ARMY ret. > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ > >> ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 4 > >> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 18:38:42 -0700 (PDT) > >> From: "Thomas M. Beatty" > >> Subject: Re: [BP2000] BP2000 Digest, Vol 5, Issue 114 > >> To: bp2000@rootsweb.com > >> Message-ID: <127245.18857.qm@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >> > >> Thanks for the link, Nelda. I will try it with my question. Hey, who said > >> "Scotchman?" I do not recall that I did as I have long know that Scotch is what > >> you drink. A Scot or Scott is what you may be. > >> tomb > >> > >> > >> > > > > Remember - To remove un-needed email text from your replys > ********************* > Visit Project website at: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bp2000/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~ > Visit Beatty Y-DNA Project at: http://www.beattydna.org/ > ********************* > Mailing List's Archives at: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/surname/b/bp2000.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BP2000-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Hi Do

Thanks for the link, Nelda. I will try it with my question. Hey, who said "Scotchman?" I do not recall that I did as I have long know that Scotch is what you drink. A Scot or Scott is what you may be. tomb ________________________________ From: Nelda Percival <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> To: bp2000@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, October 15, 2010 6:07:56 PM Subject: Re: [BP2000] BP2000 Digest, Vol 5, Issue 114 Hi, there is no such thing as a scotchman, unless your talking about a man who drinks Scotch. It is Scotsman. Can't remember if it is single or double T.. Scots or Scotts. I was very sternly letured by a Native Scotsman I corresponded with. If you want factual information about Scotland's Heraldy /Clans / Tertans and who can use them.... use this link: This is the Kingdom Herald The Court of the Lord Lyon - the official heraldry office for Scotland The Court of the Lord Lyon is the heraldic authority for Scotland and deals with all matters relating to Scottish Heraldry and Coats of Arms and maintains the Scottish Public Registers of Arms and Genealogies. WEBSITE: The Court of The Lord Lyon: http://www.lyon-court.com/lordlyon/CCC_FirstPage.jsp Nelda ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o Nelda L. Percival SSGT, E6, US ARMY ret. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o Remember - To remove un-needed email text from your replys ********************* Visit Project website at: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bp2000/ ~~~~~~~~~~~ Visit Beatty Y-DNA Project at: http://www.beattydna.org/ ********************* Mailing List's Archives at: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/surname/b/bp2000.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BP2000-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Anyone recognise these two? That's all I have for now, trying to get dates/places from the person... Nelda ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o Nelda L. Percival SSGT, E6, US ARMY ret. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o

Hi Tom, As lowlanders originally the Beatties/Beattys would not have had their own tartan. However, the family spread out across Scotland over the centuries and as I understand the customs of the time, anyone who pledged allegiance to a particular Highland clan chieftain was entitled to wear the tartan, as ell of course as any inter-marriage. This may explain why there appears to be a plethora of conflicting information on the internet about which tartan to use. Years ago I was advised by Scotch House in London to use the MacBeth tartan, which I duly did, but now I see that that connection is in doubt and the Beattie name is linked to MacBain, MacFarlane, MacDonald and others - very confusing! However, new tartans continue to be developed and I see that there is one specifically in the name of Beatty and registered with The Scottish Register of Tartans (part of the official Archives of Scotland), which seems to be a variation of the McBeth tartan: http://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/tartanDetails.aspx?ref=236 My own Beattie/Betie/Bedie ancestors (baptism records depended on the literacy standards of the respective local church minister!) came from Northeast Scotland around Aberdeen, though they appear to have migrated there in the mid-17th century, possibly from the Lothians (around Edinburgh) judging by similarities in the Christian names of their children (usually named after parents, uncles, aunts or grandparents). Hope it helps! Diana (no line number as yet!) On 15 Oct 2010, at 08:00, bp2000-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Clan(s) (Thomas M. Beatty) > 2. Re: Clan(s) (Nelda Percival) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 19:11:25 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Thomas M. Beatty" <tkbpop@yahoo.com> > Subject: [BP2000] Clan(s) > To: bp2000@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <14857.67336.qm@web65509.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I am viewing the DVD set "The Clans of Scotland" and wondering if it is known > with which clan or clans the Beatty name is associated. > Tom Beatty, 199 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 21:44:01 -0500 > From: Nelda Percival <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [BP2000] Clan(s) > To: <bp2000@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <COL116-W13A34D4405BC81FE8F3F14E4570@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Hi, > The only one I can speak about is McBeth, which indicates that the Beatty spelling is a derivative of McBeth. Being my line BP-05 has no match with other BP lineages,and they are from Ayrshire, Scotland about 100 + miles north of the major contingence of Beattys along the boarder. T can't prove it yet, but I think my Beattys are part of the McBeth clan. > > I don't believe, the boarder Beattys are members of a Clan. > > to find out of a clan honors the Beattyname you have to go to the website and see the surnames connected to that clan. > > Nelda > > > ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o > Nelda L. Percival > SSGT, E6, US ARMY ret. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ > ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the BP2000 list administrator, send an email to > BP2000-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the BP2000 mailing list, send an email to BP2000@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BP2000-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of BP2000 Digest, Vol 5, Issue 114 > **************************************

Hi, there is no such thing as a scotchman, unless your talking about a man who drinks Scotch. It is Scotsman. Can't remember if it is single or double T.. Scots or Scotts. I was very sternly letured by a Native Scotsman I corresponded with. If you want factual information about Scotland's Heraldy /Clans / Tertans and who can use them.... use this link: This is the Kingdom Herald The Court of the Lord Lyon - the official heraldry office for Scotland The Court of the Lord Lyon is the heraldic authority for Scotland and deals with all matters relating to Scottish Heraldry and Coats of Arms and maintains the Scottish Public Registers of Arms and Genealogies. WEBSITE: The Court of The Lord Lyon: http://www.lyon-court.com/lordlyon/CCC_FirstPage.jsp Nelda ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o Nelda L. Percival SSGT, E6, US ARMY ret. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o

Hi, The only one I can speak about is McBeth, which indicates that the Beatty spelling is a derivative of McBeth. Being my line BP-05 has no match with other BP lineages,and they are from Ayrshire, Scotland about 100 + miles north of the major contingence of Beattys along the boarder. T can't prove it yet, but I think my Beattys are part of the McBeth clan. I don't believe, the boarder Beattys are members of a Clan. to find out of a clan honors the Beattyname you have to go to the website and see the surnames connected to that clan. Nelda ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o Nelda L. Percival SSGT, E6, US ARMY ret. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o

I am viewing the DVD set "The Clans of Scotland" and wondering if it is known with which clan or clans the Beatty name is associated. Tom Beatty, 199

Here is a bit more on David and Mary. Evidently his first wife died in Ireland and he married Mary in Washington co., NY. In the Civil War pension for his wife and himself filed on their son David their marriage date is listed as 1838. The older children say born NY so that is a puzzle. Donna L-3 From: "Laurel Baty" <laurelbaty@comcast.net> To: <BP2000-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: [BP2000] David Battie, mother Mary Battie, father David Battie, OH, MICH, NY, Canada, Ireland Date: Sunday, January 16, 2005 12:09 PM David Battie, Co. "D" 55 Ohio Infantry; mother Mary Battie (Certificate # 144,680) and Father David Battie (Certificate # 220,957) On September 21, 1868 Mary Battie, aged 50 and a resident of Huron Co., Ohio filed a Mother's claim for pension. She was the mother of David Battie who enlisted in Co. "D" 55th Ohio Infantry and who died at Clairsville Hospital in Maryland on July 2, 1862. Josephine Cartwright and Cynthia Firby, both residents of Norwalk, Huron County Ohio state that David Battie was the son of Mary and David Battie and that both of David Battie's parents are still living. On August 12, 1869 John Hunter of Huron County, Ohio states that David Battie "immediately prior to his enlistment in said Company, was in the employ of the affiant at monthly wages; that he the affiant paid some of said wages in provisions and some in money; that said wages were paid into the family of Mary Battie, and for her benefit and that of her family, by the direction of said David. The applicant says further that he is and for many years has been well acquainted with David Battie the husband of said Mary and father of said David, Privates as aforesaid; that at the time of the enlistment of said last names David, his said father was and for a long time before that had been, infirm, being quite old, and unable to fully supply his said family consisting of his said wife and five other children." On July 10, 1885 David Battie, aged 86 and a resident of Huron Co., Ohio filed a claim for a Father's pension. He states that he married Mary Battie, mother of David Battie, Jr. at Fort Ann, Washington Co., New York on December 25, 1838. Mary Battie died at Detroit, Michigan on January 26, 1885. He states that Mary Battie was receiving a pension at her death, certificate # 144,680. On July 14, 1885, Mrs. Mary Hill, aged 44 and a resident of Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan and Mrs. Elizabeth Sullabank, aged 42 and a resident of Detroit, Wayne County state "That said Mary Battie died at Detroit in the State of Michigan on the 26th day of January A D. 1885. We were both present when she died on above date at the home of deponent above given, viz. Mrs. Sullabank, and both attended her funeral on Jany 28, 1885 in Detroit." On August 22, 1885 Frederick W. Graves, aged 72, and Col. J. H. Sprague, aged 40, both residents of Huron County, Ohio state "they have lived for 16 years near neighbors to them[David and Mary Battie], and have been intimate with them as friends and neighbors for 16 years...That the said David Battie, Sr., the husband and surviving parent of said deceased soldier is still living and at present is with one of his daughters, a widow lady Mrs. F. Casper, in Norwalk, Ohio, but that he lives with a son of his at Bellevue, Huron Co., Ohio named Charles Battie who has a wife and child of his own to support, and in fact he has not means of his own to more than support his own family." David Battie, Sr. was dropped form the pension rolls due to his death April 3, 1893. He was last paid at the rate of $12.00 per month to March 4, 1893. 1860 Norwalk, Huron Co., Ohio p. 229 David Beaty 50 Ireland Mary 43 NY Charles 24 NY Mary 21 NY Elizabeth 19 Lower Canada Rebecca 17 Lower Canada David 14 Lower Canada Eveline 10 Lower Canada John 6 Ohio Phoebe A. S. 5 Ohio 1870 Norwalk, Huron Co., Ohio p.398 Baity, David 65 IRE Mary 50 NY Rebecca 26 Canada Margaret 22 Canada Eveline 20 Canada John 17 Ohio Annie 14 Ohio Burton 1 Ohio 1880 Norwalk, Huron Co., Ohio p. 156B Battie, David 78 IRE, IRE, IRE Mary 60 wife NY, NY, VT L. Baty, L252 Ohio Obituary Index, 1830s-2009, Rutherford B. Hayes Presidential Center about David Beattie Name: David Beattie Birth Date: abt 1799 Death Date: 3 Apr 1893 Age at Death: 94 Death Place: Bellevue Spouse: Mary Baxter Snyde Newspaper: Bellevue News, Bellevue, Ohio Newspaper Date: 8 Apr 1893 Newspaper Page: p. 3, col. 6 Years Indexed: 1891-1905 Newspaper Repository: Hayes Presidential Library - Fremont, Oh; Hayes Presidential Library - Fremont, Oh Notes: 1st Wife Died In Ireland; 2Nd Wife Mary Baxter Snyde This one???? Ohio Obituary Index, 1830s-2009, Rutherford B. Hayes Presidential Center about Charles Beatly Name: Charles Beatly Death Date: 31 Mar 1887 Death Place: Davenport, Iowa Newspaper: Norwalk Daily Reflector, Norwalk, Ohio Newspaper Date: 1 Apr 1887 Newspaper Page: p. 4, col. 2 Years Indexed: 1882-1892 Newspaper Repository: Hayes Presidential Library - Fremont, Oh; Hayes Presidential Library - Fremont, Oh Notes: Former Norwalk Resident son Charles? 1880: Bellevue, Huron, Ohio Source: FHL Film 1255035 National Archives Film T9-1035 Page 105C Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Charles BEATIE Self M M W 38 CAN Occ: Cooper Fa: CAN Mo: CAN Sarah E. BEATIE Wife F M W 34 OH Occ: Keeps House Fa: CAN Mo: OH Charles BEATIE Son M S W 11 OH Occ: At School Fa: CAN Mo: OH Rosy N. BEATIE Dau F S W 7 OH Fa: CAN Mo: OH dau Mary???? Beattie maiden name from ancestry. Rowe-Shaner Family Tree Owner: ramm5050 http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/19071317/person/813417760 1870 United States Federal Census about Edward Beatty Name: Edward Beatty Birth Year: abt 1863 Age in 1870: 7 Birthplace: Ohio Home in 1870: Townsend, Huron, Ohio Race: White Gender: Male Value of real estate: View image Post Office: East Townsend Household Members: Name Age Silas Hill 30 farm 6300-1230 OH Mary Hill 29 NY (nee Beatty) Joseph Hill 25 farm labor OH Edward Beatty 7 OH **************************** 1880 United States Federal Census about Silas Hill Name: Silas Hill Home in 1880: Norwalk, Huron, Ohio Age: 40 Estimated birth year: abt 1840 Birthplace: Ohio Relation to Head of Household: Self (Head) Spouse's name: Mary Hill Father's birthplace: New York Mother's birthplace: New York Occupation: Carpenter Marital Status: Married Race: White Gender: Male Household Members: Name Age Silas Hill 40 carpenter OH NY NY Mary Hill 39 wife NY Irel NY Cortland Hill 9 son OH OH NY 1900 United States Federal Census about Salus Hill Name: Salus Hill Home in 1900: Cleveland Ward 29, Cuyahoga, Ohio Age: 60 Birth Date: Aug 1839 Birthplace: Ohio Race: White Gender: Male Relationship to Head of House: Head Father's Birthplace: New York Mother's Birthplace: New York Spouse's name: Mary Hill Marriage Year: 1865 Marital Status: Married Years Married: 35 Occupation: View on Image Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Salus Hill 60 head aug 1839 mar 35 ys OH NY NY carpenter Mary Hill 61 wife dec 1838 mar 35 ys 1 ch 1 ch Canada (English) Irel NY (1860-40ys) Irene Hill 5 grdau dec 1894 OH OH (not legible) Cortland Hill 28 son jun 1871 mar 6 ys OH OH Can(Eng) salesman grocer

I will keep note of this info in my files as L-432 could be a side line for my L-532.  We have alot of the same names and with your info on this David Batiie and family from Ireland to New York to Huron County, Ohio.  Huron County, Ohio is the next county east or southeast of Erie and Sandusky Counties, Ohio where my John Beatty settled from his journey from Ireland and marriage in Franklin County, New York.  The top person in L-432 is listed just as an Unknown Beattie and it is possible a sibling of his could be my John Beatty's father.  Only hypothecial right now but that is why I will keep an eye on this line.  Thanks. Ryan, L-532 ----- Original Message ---- From: Donna VanZandt <donavan@netwtc.net> To: BP2000 <BP2000-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, October 11, 2010 10:16:23 PM Subject: [BP2000] L-432 Here is a bit more on David and Mary.  Evidently his first wife died in Ireland and he married Mary in Washington co., NY.  In the Civil War pension for  his wife and himself filed on their son David their marriage date is listed as 1838.  The older children say born NY so that is a puzzle.  Donna L-3 From: "Laurel Baty" <laurelbaty@comcast.net> To: <BP2000-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: [BP2000] David Battie, mother Mary Battie, father David Battie, OH, MICH, NY, Canada, Ireland Date: Sunday, January 16, 2005 12:09 PM David Battie, Co. "D" 55 Ohio Infantry; mother Mary Battie (Certificate # 144,680) and Father David Battie (Certificate # 220,957) On September 21, 1868 Mary Battie, aged 50 and a resident of Huron Co., Ohio filed a Mother's claim for pension.  She was the mother of David Battie who enlisted in Co. "D" 55th Ohio Infantry and who died at Clairsville Hospital in Maryland on July 2, 1862.  Josephine Cartwright and Cynthia Firby, both residents of Norwalk, Huron County Ohio state that David Battie was the son of Mary and David Battie and that both of David Battie's parents are still living. On August 12, 1869 John Hunter of Huron County, Ohio states that David Battie "immediately prior to his enlistment in said Company, was in the employ of the affiant at monthly wages; that he the affiant paid some of said wages in provisions and some in money; that said wages were paid into the family of Mary Battie, and for her benefit and that of her family, by the direction of said David.  The applicant says further that he is and for many years has been well acquainted with David Battie the husband of said Mary and father of said David, Privates as aforesaid; that at the time of the enlistment of said last names David, his said father was and for a long time before that had been, infirm, being quite old, and unable to fully supply his said family consisting of his said wife and five other children." On July 10, 1885 David Battie, aged 86 and a resident of Huron Co., Ohio filed a claim for a Father's pension.  He states that he married Mary Battie, mother of David Battie, Jr. at Fort Ann, Washington Co., New York on December 25, 1838.  Mary Battie died at Detroit, Michigan on January 26, 1885.  He states that Mary Battie was receiving a pension at her death, certificate # 144,680. On July 14, 1885, Mrs. Mary Hill, aged 44 and a resident of Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan and Mrs. Elizabeth Sullabank, aged 42 and a resident of Detroit, Wayne County state "That said Mary Battie died at Detroit in the State of Michigan on the 26th day of January A D. 1885. We were both present when she died on above date at the home of deponent above given, viz. Mrs. Sullabank, and both attended her funeral on Jany 28, 1885 in Detroit." On August 22, 1885 Frederick W. Graves, aged 72, and Col. J. H. Sprague, aged 40, both residents of Huron County, Ohio state "they have lived for 16 years near neighbors to them[David and Mary Battie], and have been intimate with them as friends and neighbors for 16 years...That the said David Battie, Sr., the husband and surviving parent of said deceased soldier is still living and at present is with one of his daughters, a widow lady Mrs. F. Casper, in Norwalk, Ohio, but that he lives with a son of his at Bellevue, Huron Co., Ohio named Charles Battie who has a wife and child of his own to support, and in fact he has not means of his own to more than support his own family." David Battie, Sr. was dropped form the pension rolls due to his death April 3, 1893.  He was last paid at the rate of $12.00 per month to March 4, 1893. 1860 Norwalk, Huron Co., Ohio p. 229 David Beaty 50 Ireland Mary 43 NY Charles 24 NY Mary 21 NY Elizabeth 19 Lower Canada Rebecca 17 Lower Canada David 14 Lower Canada Eveline 10 Lower Canada John 6 Ohio Phoebe A. S. 5 Ohio 1870 Norwalk, Huron Co., Ohio p.398 Baity, David 65 IRE Mary 50 NY Rebecca 26 Canada Margaret 22 Canada Eveline 20 Canada John 17 Ohio Annie 14 Ohio Burton 1 Ohio 1880 Norwalk, Huron Co., Ohio p. 156B Battie, David 78 IRE, IRE, IRE Mary 60 wife NY, NY, VT L. Baty, L252 Ohio Obituary Index, 1830s-2009, Rutherford B. Hayes Presidential Center about David Beattie Name: David Beattie Birth Date: abt 1799 Death Date: 3 Apr 1893 Age at Death: 94 Death Place: Bellevue Spouse: Mary Baxter Snyde Newspaper: Bellevue News, Bellevue, Ohio Newspaper Date: 8 Apr 1893 Newspaper Page: p. 3, col. 6 Years Indexed: 1891-1905 Newspaper Repository: Hayes Presidential Library - Fremont, Oh; Hayes Presidential Library - Fremont, Oh Notes: 1st Wife Died In Ireland; 2Nd Wife Mary Baxter Snyde This one???? Ohio Obituary Index, 1830s-2009, Rutherford B. Hayes Presidential Center about Charles Beatly Name: Charles Beatly Death Date: 31 Mar 1887 Death Place: Davenport, Iowa Newspaper: Norwalk Daily Reflector, Norwalk, Ohio Newspaper Date: 1 Apr 1887 Newspaper Page: p. 4, col. 2 Years Indexed: 1882-1892 Newspaper Repository: Hayes Presidential Library - Fremont, Oh; Hayes Presidential Library - Fremont, Oh Notes: Former Norwalk Resident son Charles? 1880: Bellevue, Huron, Ohio Source: FHL Film 1255035  National Archives Film T9-1035    Page 105C Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Charles BEATIE Self M M W 38 CAN Occ: Cooper Fa: CAN Mo: CAN Sarah E. BEATIE Wife F M W 34 OH Occ: Keeps House Fa: CAN Mo: OH Charles BEATIE Son M S W 11 OH Occ: At School Fa: CAN Mo: OH Rosy N. BEATIE Dau F S W 7 OH   Fa: CAN Mo: OH dau Mary???? Beattie maiden name from ancestry. Rowe-Shaner Family Tree Owner: ramm5050 http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/19071317/person/813417760 1870 United States Federal Census about Edward Beatty Name: Edward Beatty Birth Year: abt 1863 Age in 1870: 7 Birthplace: Ohio Home in 1870: Townsend, Huron, Ohio Race: White Gender: Male Value of real estate: View image Post Office: East Townsend Household Members: Name Age Silas Hill 30 farm 6300-1230 OH Mary Hill 29 NY (nee Beatty) Joseph Hill 25 farm labor OH Edward Beatty 7 OH **************************** 1880 United States Federal Census about Silas Hill Name: Silas Hill Home in 1880: Norwalk, Huron, Ohio Age: 40 Estimated birth year: abt 1840 Birthplace: Ohio Relation to Head of Household: Self (Head) Spouse's name: Mary Hill Father's birthplace: New York Mother's birthplace: New York Occupation: Carpenter Marital Status: Married Race: White Gender: Male Household Members: Name Age Silas Hill 40 carpenter OH NY NY Mary Hill 39 wife NY Irel NY Cortland Hill 9 son OH OH NY 1900 United States Federal Census about Salus Hill Name: Salus Hill Home in 1900: Cleveland Ward 29, Cuyahoga, Ohio Age: 60 Birth Date: Aug 1839 Birthplace: Ohio Race: White Gender: Male Relationship to Head of House: Head Father's Birthplace: New York Mother's Birthplace: New York Spouse's name: Mary Hill Marriage Year: 1865 Marital Status: Married Years Married: 35 Occupation: View on Image Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Salus Hill 60 head aug 1839 mar 35 ys OH NY NY carpenter Mary Hill 61 wife dec 1838 mar 35 ys 1 ch 1 ch Canada (English) Irel NY (1860-40ys) Irene Hill 5 grdau dec 1894 OH OH (not legible) Cortland Hill 28 son jun 1871 mar 6 ys OH OH Can(Eng) salesman grocer Remember - To remove un-needed email text from your replys ********************* Visit Project website at: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bp2000/ ~~~~~~~~~~~ Visit Beatty Y-DNA Project at: http://www.beattydna.org/ ********************* Mailing List's Archives at: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/surname/b/bp2000.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BP2000-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I was trying to find a Charles Beattie in Huron co., OH. I didn't find the correct one but did find this census which looks like L-432. The David & Mary of Huron co., OH evidently belong to that lineage also. They leave for OH cir 1860. Donna L-3 1851 Census Canada East (Quebec) > Missisquoi County > Dunham > age next birthday-born-religion-occupation Crofford Battie farm Ireland 43 (Presby all down to LaPlant Jane L. Irel 30 Sarah J. 11 (Canada B-all rest) Matilda M. 10 Crofford 8 John C. 6 Louisa 5 Rebecca 3 David farm Ireland 38 (in US for 1860 census) Mary United States 35 Charles laborer US 18 Mary US 15 Elizabeth Canada B 12 Rebecca 9 Canada B David 6 Canada B Margaret 4 Canada B Eveline 2 Canada B Francis Laplant farm Canada F 61 Meth Mary US 60 Meth Alvin laborer Canada F 20 Meth Elizabeth Habeaham Canada F 25 Meth William Battie farm Ireland 53 Epis-all rest Margret Ireland 52 Sarah Irel 22 William laborer Irel 20 Crofford laborer Irel 18 James laborer Irel 16 Margret 14 Irel Hannah Irel 12 John Irel 8 Mary Canada B 6 David farm Irel 21 James farm Ireland 37 Elizabeth A. Ireland 29 Hannah Canada B 15 Isabella A. Canada B 13 Jane 12 Canada B John laborer 7 Canada B George laborer 8 Canada B Rebecca 6 Canada B Sarah E. 3 Canada B Nancy A. 2 Canada B Charles Ireland aged 86 Hannah Ireland 80 Sophia Johson Canada B. 16

Family Tree Maker orders them that way even though, as you noted, the dates prove the opposite. Mary Betty is tagged as the "preferred spouse" in FTM. I don't know how to make the program show them correctly. ...Mike Allen -----Original Message----- From: bp2000-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bp2000-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Les Beaty Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 11:27 PM To: BP2000 Subject: [BP2000] L-64 I'm looking at L-64 and am a little confused regarding the wives of William (Capt.) Batey, b. 1760. It shows his wife as Anne Bass, m. 1798. Then, below, it shows his 2nd wife as Mary Betty, m. 1787. If those dates are correct, isn't his 2nd wife really his first wife and his first wife really his second wife? Les Beaty, L-20

I'm looking at L-64 and am a little confused regarding the wives of William (Capt.) Batey, b. 1760. It shows his wife as Anne Bass, m. 1798. Then, below, it shows his 2nd wife as Mary Betty, m. 1787. If those dates are correct, isn't his 2nd wife really his first wife and his first wife really his second wife? Les Beaty, L-20