Agreed Les,But, that is the DNA website. I think the BP2000 website should/could have a page that listed by lineage number whether or not a lineage had DNA tested. that page could then refer enquiring minds to your DNA website for the actual data. Just as some people use mailing lists and others use message boards I believe haveing the fact they were tested at the BP2000 website might help produce interest in testing. I'd even be willing to produce the list, then all that would be needed is to add it to the website. That way at a glance, your'd (not you... general person) know if a lineage had tested. nelda ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o Nelda L. Percival SSGT, E6, US ARMY ret. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o ---------------------------------------- > From: lbeaty@q.com > To: bp2000@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 10:55:22 -0700 > Subject: Re: [BP2000] Genealogy website and Y-DNA > > Nelda, et. al. > > We already have some such information available at: > > http://www.beattydna.org/BP2000_Lineages_Tested__2010-09-04.htm > > And, the data tables are available at: > > http://www.beattydna.org/Table_I_10-07-10.htm > > and > > http://www.beattydna.org/Table_II_10-07-10.htm > > Now, these specific URLs change each time I update the tables. But, they > are always accessible via our DNA Project Website: > http://www.beattydna.org/ > > So, help me understand what more you'd like to see. > > Les > > Remember - To remove un-needed email text from your replys > ********************* > Visit Project website at: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bp2000/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~ > Visit Beatty Y-DNA Project at: http://www.beattydna.org/ > ********************* > Mailing List's Archives at: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/surname/b/bp2000.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BP2000-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nelda, et. al. We already have some such information available at: http://www.beattydna.org/BP2000_Lineages_Tested__2010-09-04.htm And, the data tables are available at: http://www.beattydna.org/Table_I_10-07-10.htm and http://www.beattydna.org/Table_II_10-07-10.htm Now, these specific URLs change each time I update the tables. But, they are always accessible via our DNA Project Website: http://www.beattydna.org/ So, help me understand what more you'd like to see. Les

The list page would be more convenient as there are so many lineages to go through but it would be good to have it both places (a list and after the lineage number). RaNelle Parker L-324 & L-405 ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelda Percival<mailto:nelda_percival@hotmail.com> To: bp2000@rootsweb.com<mailto:bp2000@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 10:28 AM Subject: [BP2000] Genealogy website and Y-DNA Les, Ray and Mike and all others, I was wondering your opinions On: listing which BP2000 lineages had Y-DNA tested. On the BP2000 website at: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bp2000/lineages.htm<http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bp2000/lineages.htm> primarily at each individual lineage. http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bp2000/summaries1.htm<http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bp2000/summaries1.htm> Say something like: LINEAGE 1. Y-DNA tested R1b1b2c Or just a list on a new page with a link to the DNA project: 1. Lineage 1 tested 2. Lineage 2 not tested 3. Lineage 2a tested Then the person enquiring could go to the Y-DNA webpage and enquire about the lineage... It would be some work, but it would be helpful for some of us. Nelda ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o Nelda L. Percival SSGT, E6, US ARMY ret. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/<http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/> ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o Remember - To remove un-needed email text from your replys ********************* Visit Project website at: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bp2000/<http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bp2000/> ~~~~~~~~~~~ Visit Beatty Y-DNA Project at: http://www.beattydna.org/<http://www.beattydna.org/> ********************* Mailing List's Archives at: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/surname/b/bp2000.html<http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/surname/b/bp2000.html> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BP2000-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:BP2000-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Les, Ray and Mike and all others, I was wondering your opinions On: listing which BP2000 lineages had Y-DNA tested. On the BP2000 website at: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bp2000/lineages.htm primarily at each individual lineage. http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bp2000/summaries1.htm Say something like: LINEAGE 1. Y-DNA tested R1b1b2c Or just a list on a new page with a link to the DNA project: 1. Lineage 1 tested 2. Lineage 2 not tested 3. Lineage 2a tested Then the person enquiring could go to the Y-DNA webpage and enquire about the lineage... It would be some work, but it would be helpful for some of us. Nelda ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o Nelda L. Percival SSGT, E6, US ARMY ret. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o

Nelda, That would be a GREAT idea...... Julie Miller, L.39

Kathy, Do you know any living male Beatty/Beattie descendants of Lineage 43? If so, you might consider participating in our BeattyDNA Project. You might make a connection that way. Les Beaty, L20

Thank you Mike and Ray for the speedy reply. I'll get the info in the computer and send it along to you both. Co Antrim Beattie lineage 43 Kathy Brant Whipple Cleveland OH

Kathy, If you send your Beatty line in a GEDCOM format file to me (naturalsoft@ameritech.net), I will update our master database and the lineage summary on the net. ...Mike Allen -----Original Message----- From: bp2000-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bp2000-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathy Whipple Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 8:33 AM To: bp2000@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BP2000] Lineage 43 Good Morning fellow Beatty/Beattie researchers, I just got back from a wonderful trip in County Antrim and have several changes to my Lineage 43. When this was sumitted back in the 1990s the older generations were based on 'family oral history'. How do I go about updating this information? Over the years, so far, my line seems to not connect with any others. I do enjoy the list though and continue to hope someone else out there is from my line. :-) Thank you, Kathy Brant Whipple

Good Morning fellow Beatty/Beattie researchers, I just got back from a wonderful trip in County Antrim and have several changes to my Lineage 43. When this was sumitted back in the 1990s the older generations were based on 'family oral history'. How do I go about updating this information? Over the years, so far, my line seems to not connect with any others. I do enjoy the list though and continue to hope someone else out there is from my line. :-) Thank you, Kathy Brant Whipple

Here is a message that I had on file with the only JOHN R. BEATTY that I could find. Armond Beaty L-32 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna VanZandt" <donavan@netwtc.net> To: "BP2000" <BP2000-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: <JeanSnowowl@aol.com> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 5:02 AM Subject: [BP2000] L-75 Obit (wife of Thos. Duncan Beatty) > The Daily Courier Connellsville, PA-14 July 1921 (Fayette co., PA) > MRS. THOMAS BEATTY > The body of Mrs. Thomas Beatty will arrive here tonight from Baltimore and > will be removed by Funeral Director J. E. Sims to the home of Miss Nannie > Blackstone at Snydertown where funeral services will be held tomorrow > afternoon at 2 o'clock. > Interment in Hill Grove cemetery. > > The Daily Courier Connellsville, PA-21 July 1921 > MRS. MARGARET BEATTY > Mrs. Margaret Adeline Campbell Beatty, wife of Thos. D. Beatty of > Baltimore, > Md., formerly of Connellsville, died Tuesday afternoon at 2:30 o'clock at > her home in Baltimore. Mrs. Beatty had been ill for the past five weeks > and > a week ago returned to her home from a Baltimore hospital, where she > underwent an operation. Deceased was born at Normalville, a daughter of > the > late John Fletcher and Lyda Snyder Campbell. She came to Connellsville > with > her parents when she was a small child and continued to reside here until > leaving with her family about four years ago for Baltimore to reside. > Deceased was a member of the First Methodist Episcopal church of > Connellsville and had relatives and a wide circle of friends here. She is > survived by her husband, five children, Jean, Minerva, Louise, Oral and > Thomas, Jr., all at home, and three brothers, John and William Campbell of > Connellsville and Harry Campbell of Youngstown, O. Mrs. Beatty was a > niece > of George W. Campbell and a cousin of Miss Nannie Blackstone of this > place. > > 1870 Fayette co., PA > Connellsville Borough pg. 70 > John R. Beatty 26 RR car inspector 1500-200 PA > Manerva M. 25 keep house PA > George 3/12 March PA > > 1880: Connellsville, Fayette, Pennsylvania > Source: FHL Film 1255129 National Archives Film T9-1129 Page 95C > Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace > John R. BEATTY Self F M W 35 PA > Occ: Drayman Fa: PA Mo: PA > Menervia BEATTY Wife F M W 34 PA > Occ: Keeping House Fa: PA Mo: PA > George E. BEATTY Son M S W 10 PA > Fa: PA Mo: PA > Emma G. BEATTY Dau F S W 8 PA > Fa: PA Mo: PA > Thoma. D. BEATTY Son M S W 7 PA > Fa: PA Mo: PA > Eliza. DUNCAN MotherL F W W 66 PA > Fa: NJ Mo: PA > > 1900 United States Federal Census > about John R Beatty > Name: John R Beatty > Home in 1900: Connellsville, Fayette, Pennsylvania > Age: 56 > Estimated birth year: abt 1844 > Birthplace: Pennsylvania > Relationship to head-of-house: Head > Spouse's name: Minerva J > Race: White > Occupation: View image > Neighbors: View others on page > Household Members: Name Age > John R Beatty 56 head mar 1844-mar 33 ys PA PA PA merchant-?gents > furnishings? > Minerva J Beatty 55 wife aug 1844-4 ch 3 lvg- mar 33 ys PA PA PA > Thomas D Beatty 27 son january 1873 PA PA PA single shipping > clerk -Hurdevale? store > Everett H Beatty 7 grandson sept 1892 PA PA PA > > > 1910 United States Federal Census > about Thomas D Beatty > Name: Thomas D Beatty > Age in 1910: 37 > Estimated birth year: abt 1873 > Birthplace: Pennsylvania > Relation to Head of House: Head > Father's Birth Place: Pennsylvania > Mother's Birth Place: Pennsylvania > Spouse's name: Margret A > Home in 1910: Connellsville Ward 5, Fayette, Pennsylvania > Marital Status: Married > Race: White > Gender: Male > Neighbors: View others on page > Household Members: Name Age > Thomas D Beatty 37 head mar once for 8 ys PA PA PA (all) > pipefitter-electric power > Margret A Beatty 36 wife mar once for 8 ys 4 ch 3 lvg > Jean Beatty 6 dau > Minena L Beatty 2 dau > Eliza L Beatty 1/12 dau > > 1920 United States Federal Census > Name: Thos D Beatty > Home in 1920: Baltimore Ward 27, Baltimore (Independent City), Maryland > Age: 46 years > Estimated birth year: abt 1874 > Birthplace: Pennsylvania > Relation to Head of House: Head > Spouse's name: Margarite > Father's Birth Place: Pennsylvania > Mother's Birth Place: Pennsylvania > Marital Status: Married > Race: White > Sex: Male > Home owned: Own > Able to read: Yes > Able to Write: Yes > Image: 135 > Neighbors: View others on page > Household Members: Name Age > Thos D Beatty 46 head PA PA PA coppersmith-shop > Margarite Beatty 46 wife PA PA PA > Jean C Beatty 16 dau PA PA PA > Minerva D Beatty 12 dau PA PA PA > Louise C Beatty 9 dau PA PA PA > Oral S Beatty 6 dau PA PA PA > Thos D Beatty, Jr. 2 1/12 son MD PA PA > > 1930 United States Federal Census > about Thomas Beatty > Name: Thomas Beatty > Home in 1930: Baltimore, Baltimore (Independent City), Maryland > Age: 14 > Estimated birth year: abt 1916 > Relation to Head of House: Son > Father's name: Thomas > Mother's name: Lottie > Household Members: Name Age > Thomas Beatty 50 head mar at 47 PA US US -mechanic for railroad > Lottie Beatty 43 wife mar at 40 MD US US > Minerva Beatty 22 dau MD PA MD > Louise Beatty 19 dau MD PA MD > Thomas Beatty 14 son MD PA MD > > Donna L-3 > ----- Original Message ----- From: "mallen" <naturalsoft@ameritech.net> To: <bp2000@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 9:46 AM Subject: [BP2000] FW: John R. Beatty >I don't think Linda is a list subscriber, so if anyone has info, please >copy > her at lduncan57@gmail.com > > Thanks, > > ...Mike Allen > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > From: linda duncan [mailto:lduncan57@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:14 PM > To: naturalsoft@ameritech.net > Subject: Beatty > > > Hi > I have been trying without luck to bridge my Beatty family here in the > U.S. > to the ancesters in Ireland and Scotland. My grandfather Orvile Charles > Edward Beatty was born and died in Evansville Indiana, U.S.A. His father > Arthur was born in Indiana. Arthur's father, John R. Beatty, was born in > Ireland in 1847 and came to the U.S. around Dec 1863. The U.S census > indicates that John's parents were born in Scotland. I have searched high > and low but I can not find any documentation of John R Beatty (Beaty) > traveling from Ireland to the U.S. nor any link to his family in Scotland. > Can you help me? John R Beatty was married toi Louisa Hessig in Spencer > County Indiana. > > Can you point me in the right direction. My mother is 79 and she would > really like to know about her ancesters. > > Linda Duncan > lduncan57@gmail.com > -- > Linda Duncan > > Remember - To remove un-needed email text from your replys > ********************* > Visit Project website at: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bp2000/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~ > Visit Beatty Y-DNA Project at: http://www.beattydna.org/ > ********************* > Mailing List's Archives at: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/surname/b/bp2000.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BP2000-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

I don't think Linda is a list subscriber, so if anyone has info, please copy her at lduncan57@gmail.com Thanks, ...Mike Allen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From: linda duncan [mailto:lduncan57@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:14 PM To: naturalsoft@ameritech.net Subject: Beatty Hi I have been trying without luck to bridge my Beatty family here in the U.S. to the ancesters in Ireland and Scotland. My grandfather Orvile Charles Edward Beatty was born and died in Evansville Indiana, U.S.A. His father Arthur was born in Indiana. Arthur's father, John R. Beatty, was born in Ireland in 1847 and came to the U.S. around Dec 1863. The U.S census indicates that John's parents were born in Scotland. I have searched high and low but I can not find any documentation of John R Beatty (Beaty) traveling from Ireland to the U.S. nor any link to his family in Scotland. Can you help me? John R Beatty was married toi Louisa Hessig in Spencer County Indiana. Can you point me in the right direction. My mother is 79 and she would really like to know about her ancesters. Linda Duncan lduncan57@gmail.com -- Linda Duncan

I received results from DNA on Natt Batey at one time, I believe My e-mail has changed, how can I contact them again. DNA KIT #9040. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelda Percival" <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> To: <bp2000@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [BP2000] Daughters of the American Revolution L4 > > Hi > Sure, rootsweb.com keeps archives on every list unless when created it was > specified no archives. > > Normally you would go to the rootweb.com home page and in the top bar > click on mailing lists. then a new window will open: > see: > Looking for the old Mailing Lists home page? You can still find it by > selecting "Browse mailing lists" under the "Find a mailing list" search > box or by clicking here. > > I like the click here .... > This takes you to an index for all the mailing lists. Under surnames find > BP2000. > that takes you here: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/surname/b/bp2000.html > now at the bottom of the writeup....see: > Archives. You can search the archives for a specific message or browse > them, going from one message to another. Some list archives are not > available; if there is a link here to an archive but the link doesn't > work, it probably just means that no messages have been posted to that > list yet. > Search the BP2000 archives > Browse the BP2000 archives > Click on the one you want. > Nelda > > Do insure you search the list and not all of Rootsweb.com > > > ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o > Nelda L. Percival > SSGT, E6, US ARMY ret. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ > ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o > > Remember - To remove un-needed email text from your replys > ********************* > Visit Project website at: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bp2000/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~ > Visit Beatty Y-DNA Project at: http://www.beattydna.org/ > ********************* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BP2000-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3083 - Release Date: 08/20/10 01:35:00

Beverly, I checked Natt's page and it had no e-mail address at all. So I inserted the address you used for the message below. I think they may have put him in an inactive file. See if you can get in now. You will need his password. --Earl > -----Original Message----- > From: bp2000-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bp2000-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Beverly Batey > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 1:11 PM > To: bp2000@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BP2000] DNA CONTACT > > I received results from DNA on Natt Batey at one time, I believe My e-mail > has changed, how can I contact them again. DNA KIT #9040. > Thanks > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nelda Percival" <nelda_percival@hotmail.com> > To: <bp2000@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:42 PM > Subject: Re: [BP2000] Daughters of the American Revolution L4 > > > > > > Hi > > Sure, rootsweb.com keeps archives on every list unless when created it was > > specified no archives. > > > > Normally you would go to the rootweb.com home page and in the top bar > > click on mailing lists. then a new window will open: > > see: > > Looking for the old Mailing Lists home page? You can still find it by > > selecting "Browse mailing lists" under the "Find a mailing list" search > > box or by clicking here. > > > > I like the click here .... > > This takes you to an index for all the mailing lists. Under surnames find > > BP2000. > > that takes you here: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/surname/b/bp2000.html > > now at the bottom of the writeup....see: > > Archives. You can search the archives for a specific message or browse > > them, going from one message to another. Some list archives are not > > available; if there is a link here to an archive but the link doesn't > > work, it probably just means that no messages have been posted to that > > list yet. > > Search the BP2000 archives > > Browse the BP2000 archives > > Click on the one you want. > > Nelda > > > > Do insure you search the list and not all of Rootsweb.com > > > > > > ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o > > Nelda L. Percival > > SSGT, E6, US ARMY ret. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ > > ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o > > > > Remember - To remove un-needed email text from your replys > > ********************* > > Visit Project website at: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bp2000/ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Visit Beatty Y-DNA Project at: http://www.beattydna.org/ > > ********************* > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BP2000-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3083 - Release Date: 08/20/10 > 01:35:00 > > Remember - To remove un-needed email text from your replys > ********************* > Visit Project website at: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bp2000/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~ > Visit Beatty Y-DNA Project at: http://www.beattydna.org/ > ********************* > Mailing List's Archives at: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/surname/b/bp2000.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BP2000-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message

My grandfather is William Gunter (1904-1977) so I am in lineage 283. I assume there is a block at Josiah born in about 1802 as I have found no additional information. Is this true? I live in Lowndes County, MS where he died. On my mother's side of the family,I have also found Mary "Polly" Beatty born about 1700 or 1713 in Maryland or Virginia and Mary was married to either Richard Bennett III or Richard Bennett IV born about 1709 or 1713 in North Carolina. Richard and Mary had a daughter named Sarah Bennett born about 1737. Sarah Bennett is the mother of Laodicea "Dicey" Langston. I am wondering if due to Mary "Polly" I might be a part of of another Beatty lineage. This is my first time to post. Kathryn Beatty Goodwin

Les, are there any participants from L-198? Virginia Nuta ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Beaty" <lbeaty@q.com> To: <bp2000@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [BP2000] Y-DNA Studies > Nelda, > > <<Do we have every Beatty lineage Y-DNA tested, for every line we have a > living male for?>> > > Nope; not even close. I believe we have over 450 separate lineages > documented in BP-2000 (with more showing up all the time). To date, we > have > 167 participants in our BeattyDNA Project. Those participants represent > 100 > of the BP lineages. Some lineages are represented by more than one > participant. Some participants do not have BP-2000 lineage numbers > assigned. We're making progress, but have a long way to go. And yes, > 100% > is a wonderful goal! > > <<For those of us on the BP2000 mailing list who primarily do paper trail > genealogy, wouldn't it be wonderful to prove our paper work? That is what > Y-DNA testing does for you, it can also disprove your paper trail. Which > we > might not like but it is very important to be correct!>> > > Those brick walls we all encounter are the primary reason for starting the > BeattyDNA Project. It helps us get past those walls, suggests lineages > which are related, and shows us where lineage connections might exist. We > have had some notable successes thus far and expect more with additional > participants. > > <<Let me see if I understand your groupings.>> > > Yep, that's about it. Except that the ancestor timeline is a little > closer > than 2,000 - 3,000 years. Using the estimates of mutation rates, we > calculated that with 25 markers, the probability of 4 mutations within > 20-30 > generations is low, and the probability of 5 is very low. So, a rule > developed that if a participant had a genetic distance (gd) of 5 or less > from the Group 01 reference haplotype, he was included in Group 01. The > other groups were created based on their genetic distance from Group 01 > and > from one another. Since a generation is estimated to be about 25 years > (or > 20, or 30 depending on who you ask), 20-30 generations would be a 500 - > 750 > year time line. > > Presently, we have those 167 participants grouped into 36 groups based on > their individual 25-marker haplotypes. About 70% of those participants > fall > into Group 01. So, there is a high probability that the members of Group > 01 > share a common ancestor who lived 500-750 years ago. But, we will > probably > never know who he was. > > For the benefit of newcomers to BP-2000 -- we don't have these discussions > often on BP-2000. When we started the BeattyDNA Project in 2000, the > BP-2000 membership felt that the discussions arising from that project > should be conducted on a separate list server. So, we set up a Yahoo > eGroup > and named it GenMatch. If you are not now a member of GenMatch but would > like to follow the discussions there, just go to > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GenMatch/ and click on Join. > > Nelda includes the link to our DNA Project website on all BP-2000 > messages. > Just look at the bottom. It is http://www.beattydna.org/. > > Les Beaty, L-20 > > Remember - To remove un-needed email text from your replys > ********************* > Visit Project website at: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bp2000/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~ > Visit Beatty Y-DNA Project at: http://www.beattydna.org/ > ********************* > Mailing List's Archives at: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/surname/b/bp2000.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BP2000-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 5595 (20101105) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > >

Virginia, <<are there any participants from L-198?>> Not yet. Sorry. You need to find a living, male, Beatty descendant of that lineage and get him to participate. To see the lineages tested so far, go to http://www.beattydna.org/BP2000_Lineages_Tested__2010-09-04.htm Les Beaty, L-20

Les, thanks for the list of lineages that have been tested. I went through the list and got so excited as there was Lineage 311 and I thought, wow! there is a connection, but damn, it was our own Beatty entry. (--Something to do with my last birthday). I would love to find someone in our Beatty line that was connected to our line so I could convince them to take the DNA test. Anyone know a descendent of Admiral Beatty that we could get to have a DNA test as they are in our line. Jenny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Beaty" <lbeaty@q.com> To: <bp2000@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [BP2000] Y-DNA Studies > Virginia, > > <<are there any participants from L-198?>> > > Not yet. Sorry. You need to find a living, male, Beatty descendant of > that > lineage and get him to participate. > > To see the lineages tested so far, go to > > http://www.beattydna.org/BP2000_Lineages_Tested__2010-09-04.htm > > Les Beaty, L-20 > > Remember - To remove un-needed email text from your replys > ********************* > Visit Project website at: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bp2000/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~ > Visit Beatty Y-DNA Project at: http://www.beattydna.org/ > ********************* > Mailing List's Archives at: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/surname/b/bp2000.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BP2000-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.864 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3229 - Release Date: 10/31/10 00:33:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.864 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3229 - Release Date: 10/31/10 00:33:00

Nelda, <<Do we have every Beatty lineage Y-DNA tested, for every line we have a living male for?>> Nope; not even close. I believe we have over 450 separate lineages documented in BP-2000 (with more showing up all the time). To date, we have 167 participants in our BeattyDNA Project. Those participants represent 100 of the BP lineages. Some lineages are represented by more than one participant. Some participants do not have BP-2000 lineage numbers assigned. We're making progress, but have a long way to go. And yes, 100% is a wonderful goal! <<For those of us on the BP2000 mailing list who primarily do paper trail genealogy, wouldn't it be wonderful to prove our paper work? That is what Y-DNA testing does for you, it can also disprove your paper trail. Which we might not like but it is very important to be correct!>> Those brick walls we all encounter are the primary reason for starting the BeattyDNA Project. It helps us get past those walls, suggests lineages which are related, and shows us where lineage connections might exist. We have had some notable successes thus far and expect more with additional participants. <<Let me see if I understand your groupings.>> Yep, that's about it. Except that the ancestor timeline is a little closer than 2,000 - 3,000 years. Using the estimates of mutation rates, we calculated that with 25 markers, the probability of 4 mutations within 20-30 generations is low, and the probability of 5 is very low. So, a rule developed that if a participant had a genetic distance (gd) of 5 or less from the Group 01 reference haplotype, he was included in Group 01. The other groups were created based on their genetic distance from Group 01 and from one another. Since a generation is estimated to be about 25 years (or 20, or 30 depending on who you ask), 20-30 generations would be a 500 - 750 year time line. Presently, we have those 167 participants grouped into 36 groups based on their individual 25-marker haplotypes. About 70% of those participants fall into Group 01. So, there is a high probability that the members of Group 01 share a common ancestor who lived 500-750 years ago. But, we will probably never know who he was. For the benefit of newcomers to BP-2000 -- we don't have these discussions often on BP-2000. When we started the BeattyDNA Project in 2000, the BP-2000 membership felt that the discussions arising from that project should be conducted on a separate list server. So, we set up a Yahoo eGroup and named it GenMatch. If you are not now a member of GenMatch but would like to follow the discussions there, just go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GenMatch/ and click on Join. Nelda includes the link to our DNA Project website on all BP-2000 messages. Just look at the bottom. It is http://www.beattydna.org/. Les Beaty, L-20

Thank you, Les. I was mystified by Alan's conclusion re. Groups 1 and 2. Marv Lineage 44

Hi Les, Do we have every Beatty lineage Y-DNA tested, for every line we have a living male for? Wouldn't that be a wonderful goal? For those of us on the BP2000 mailing list who primarily do paper trail genealogy, wouldn't it be wonderful to prove our paper work? That is what Y-DNA testing does for you, it can also disprove your paper trail. Which we might not like but it is very important to be correct! Let me see if I understand your groupings. You estimate a common ancestor's haplotype from an assortment of related haplotypes. Then you figure out if the person your comparing could have developed these mutations with in the time frame of the use of surnames. If not they become a different grouping? You now do this for each grouping as new men are tested. A very good system for distingushing close family groupings (close being with in about 2000- 3000 years). Keep up the good work Les! Nelda ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o Nelda L. Percival SSGT, E6, US ARMY ret. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ ~o~o~o~o~o0o0o0o0o0o~o~o~o~o