Marlene, Do you mean by "the same place" the same region, county, town or property? Sounds like you have quite a heritage, whatever the specifics. Your conclusions about the meaning of "Lowlands and Penn. Dutch" are probably right. Don't we wish we could ask them now? I have heard my grandfather say that we are "Scotch-Irish" and am pretty sure that I have also heard him use the name "Dutch-Irish." Now, I believe that he may have been referring in the later case to the fact that my grandmother was of German origen, but am not certain. I was too young to know to ask questions at the time. My earliest ancestor James Beaty 1752/53 seems to identify pretty closely with the Irishmen who served with him in the RW campaigns, and I believe it was because he had a recent ancestor who was Irish. It is commonly accepted that many Scots-Irish settled in the Appalachian area, and there is a strong Scots-Irish influence here on the Cumberland Plateau of TN where I live. Willie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marlene Beaty" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [BP2000] L2 and subgroups DNA > > > Willie, > When I was born (in 1934) my Beaty family had been living in the same > place for 100 yrs....so guess I didn't think much about European > origins...but have always remembered having this hazy memory(I was very > young), of asking my father , 'where the Beaty's came from'...--or who > their people were...anyway...the response was , "Lowlands and Penn. > dutch"...didn't know what either meant, but in later years , have thought > it must be lowland Scots and PA germans. > > Marlene Beaty L2D > > > > -----Original Message----- >>From: "Willie R. Beaty" <[email protected]> >>Sent: Jul 21, 2007 11:08 PM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: Re: [BP2000] L2 and subgroups DNA >> >>>By the way, in your own lineage, where do the "old folks" (grandparents, >>etc) say that you came to America from? I know mine claim Ireland more >>than >>any other, but some say we are "Scotch-Irish." >> >> >>Willie >> >> >> > When replying to a digest message, quote only the specific message to > which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. > Also, remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides > with the message subject to which you are replying. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Gerri, Your ISP (The company that you pay for on line service) gives you a email account it has a particular address in your case it is [email protected], right? well lets say something happens and you get a new account (different address) then the computer that runs this mailing list will not recognise this new address and it will bounce (return) your email as not being a member of the mailing list. You would have to unsub and resub... different case, lets say you don't like cox net (your isp) and got to a different one, (Earthlink.net) then before you had the old address turned off and after the new one is turned on you would need to unsub and resubscribe... You see your address is subscribed not you...so anything that changes your address will cause your emails to bounce. This message wasn't to tell anyone to change an ISP, it was because some people have done something(?) and they are not being able to write emails to the group. most reasons for this is a different email address... so we have to go throuh each problem to figure out what is wrong. when you have a problem you are supose to write your administrator, not a friend on the list... only the admin can get into the tools that run the list and fix the problem.... More questions? please write me off list [email protected] Regards Nelda Nelda's websites - http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ Duct tape is like 'The Force'. It has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together. _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507

I don't understand about changing accounts, since the old address is the same as the new but then I don't know much about computers. What is the reason for doing it? Gerri ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelda Percival" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 4:02 PM Subject: [BP2000] ADMIN NOTE - PLEASE READ > HI Everybody, > ARE YOU CHANGING YOU EMAIL ACCOUNTS? > > THere seems to have been problems knowing what to do... Well you > unsubsubscribe from the old address and resubscribe from the new > address... > > The first step is to unsubscribe from the old address: > to do this send an email to [email protected] with the word > UNSUBSCRIBE no other word, no signature block! a computer does this and > any > other word just confuses the computer, so your request fails... > > after you recieve your good bye letter > > you resubscribe from the new address. by sending an email to: > [email protected] with the word SUBSCRIBE again no other words > no > messages nothing else! > > And the computer will do it all for you! > > Now one last thing... say you forgot or did not know to unsubscribe from > your old addy and you no longer have it... then I have to become involved > you write and tell me via the admin address that you forgot/ didn't > know... > what ever and I will unsubscribe you, .... for you... > > But you need to rescribe yourself... Now if you have a disibility or real > problems with doing this I will help but a member should know how to do it > for them selves unless they really have problems..... > > I hope that helps, if you still need help please write via the admin addy > and I'll get write to it > > Nelda > > OH!!!!!!!! > > ALMOST EVERY EMAIL at the bottom has the email address used to subscribe > and > unsubscribe. See below.... > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > http://liveearth.msn.com > > When replying to a digest message, quote only the specific message to > which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. > Also, remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides > with the message subject to which you are replying. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

George Beattie and wife Ann McMillan (L340) live at Crofthead Street in Saltcoats, Ayrshire, Scotland. There is another family of Beatties living at Crofthead Street in Saltcoats. Could these Beatties be George Beattie's nieces and nephews? According to the Ardrossan Archivist, Crofthead Street no longer exists. The curator of the museum in Saltcoats stated it was never a street, just a series of cottages where people employed in the weaving trade lived. These cottages were near the present day Saltcoats museum. Sarah Beattie applied for Poor Relief; I hope to obtain a copy of her Poor Relief Record. According to the Ayrshire Poor Relief Index, she was born in Ireland, a widow and her maiden name was Robertson. I can not find a death record for Sarah Robertson Beattie. In 1871 Sarah Beattie is living with a Poe child. In the museum of Saltcoats there is a detailed tombstone of the Poe family that has been removed from the church yard; a legend next to the tombstone states that it chronicles Edgar Allen Poe's ancestors. I am unable to locate Benjamin Beattie in Scotland after 1851. A daughter of George Beattie (L340), Jessie Beattie, traveled to America around 1855 according to the 1900 Census (she married a man named John Smith, possibly in New York where her son John was born.) Perhaps Benjamin Beattie came to America at the same time. -Laurel Baty, L252 1851 Saltcoats, Ayrshire, Scotland, p. 6, Crofthead Street Sarah Beattie, born Portpatrick, Wigtonshire, 51 James Beattie, born Portpatrick, Wigtonshire, 25 son, carpenter apprentice Benjamin Beattie, born Portpatrick, Wigtonshire, 14 son, cotton weaver Jean Beattie, born Portpatrick, Wigtonshire, 12 daughter Sarah Beattie, born Portpatrick, Wigtonshire, 10 dau 1861 Ardrossan, Ayrshire, Scotland, p. 29 James Beattie 33 born Portpatrick, Wigtonshire, Carpenter Barbara Beattie, 29 wife, born Ayr, Ayrshire Margaret Beattie, 7 born Saltcoats, Ayrshire 1861 Saltcoats, Ardrossan, Ayrshire, p. 13, Manse Street Sarah Beattie, 61, stocking knitter, born Ireland Canie Poe, 2, boarder, born Saltcoats 1871 Ardrosan, Ayrshire, p. 19 Beattie, James 43 born Portpatrick, Wigtonshire, ship carpenter Beattie, Barbara 45 wife Jean Hunter 8 niece, born Saltcoats 1871 Saltcoats,, Ayrshire, Scotland, p. 13, Crofthead Sarah Beattie 76, annuitant, born Ireland Sarah Johnson, 5, granddaughter. 1881 Saltcoats, Ayrshire, p. 17 Barbara Beattie, ship carpenter's wife, 49 Sarah Beattie 85, born Portpatrick, Wigtonshire Old Parish Register Births: November 2, 1831, Easter Beatty born Portpatrick, Wigtonshire to Benjamine Beatty and Sarah Robinson January 19, 1834, Benjamine Beatty born Portpatrick, Wigtonshire to Benjamine Beatty & Sarah Robinson December 11, 1836, Jenny Beattie born Portpatrick, Wigtonshire to Benjamine Beattie & Sarah Robinson Marriage Records: Beattie, Sarah, Crofthead Street, Saltcoats, Old Ardrossan, Ayrshire, age 20, father James Beattie, farmer (deceased), mother Sarah Robertson to John Milne, age 26 of Saltcoats, father Joseph Milne, mother Ann Reese, married January 21, 1862 at Croft Head Street, Saltcoats. Beattie, Mary, Saltcoats, Stevenston Parish, widow (2nd marriage), age 32, daughter of Benjamin Beattie, soldier Royal West India Rangers (deceased) & Sarah Robertson married Andrew Johnstone, age 27, of Saltcoats, son of Alexander Johnstone and Elizabeth McAllister (both deceased). James Beattie is a witness. Birth Records: Beattie, Jane, born May 1, 1862, Old Ardrossan, Ayrshire, Crofthead Street, Saltcoats, illegitimate, mother Jane Beattie, domestic servant. Johnstone, James born June 4, 1864, Dockhead St., Saltcoats, Stevenston Parish, to Andrew Johnstone & Mary Beattie Death Records: Milne, Sarah, married to John Milne, aged 21 years, father James Beattie, farmer, deceased, mother Sarah Robertson, died Oct. 4, 1862, Crofthead Street, informant John Milne, widower. Beattie, James, 86, married to Barbara Hunter, died November 16, 1912, Manse St., Saltcoats, father Benjamin Beattie (deceased), mother Sarah Robertson (deceased), informant Margaret Auld, daughter

Nel, Always enjoy your letters about the tangle of L2's in Clinton Co. KY. I've always been curious about the naming of the little settlement of Paoli (now spelled Peola, I believe) It existed at the time of the 1810 Census of Cumberland Co. KY and possibly before.( it was a post office and later contender for county seat) A few years ago I found on Ancestry.com a map of the N.J and Philadelphia campaigns of 1776 -1778 . and saw the battle site of "Paoli", in Chester Co, -just southof Valley Forge,- Big massacre of Continental soldiers occured there in 1777 - over 50 killed. It is such an unusual place name (only found one other, in southern Indiana) It makes one wonder if the early settlers in Cumberland Co.Ky might have had a connection to that place in Chester Co. PA. Marlene L2D

Hi Nelda, Can you remind everyone how to subscribe or unsubscribe from the list? Thanks, Laurel Baty, L252 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelda Percival" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [BP2000] New Email Addres for Steve Beaty of L364 > Laurel, > He needs to unsubscribe from his old and resubscribe from his new! > Nelda > > > > Nelda's websites - > http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ > Duct tape is like 'The Force'. It has a light side and a dark side, and it > holds the universe together. > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Laurel Baty" <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: [BP2000] New Email Addres for Steve Beaty of L364 > Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:24:09 -0400 > > Steve Beaty of L364 notes that he has a new email address and is trying to > transition to it: > [email protected] > > Laurel Baty, L252 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Laurel Baty" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 2:55 PM > Subject: [BP2000] Obituary of Henry Beatty, L364 > > > > This obituary was sent to me by Steve Beaty of L364--Henry Beatty died > > in > > Moultrie, Georgia. He notes "Notice that he died at the home of his > > father in law, John J. Vickers, who is the son of Reverend, or Elder > > John > > "Jack" Vickers, who founded Hebron church....John Vickers daughter > > Martha > > "Mattie" Van Vickers was the wife of Henry Clay Beatty/Beaty .....He > would > > be my grandfather....He died when my father was only 3 years old....S. > > Beaty....." > > When replying to a digest message, quote only the specific message to > which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. > Also, remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides > with > the message subject to which you are replying. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one > place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69&FORM=MGAC01 > > When replying to a digest message, quote only the specific message to > which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. > Also, remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides > with the message subject to which you are replying. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Steve Beaty of L364 notes that he has a new email address and is trying to transition to it: [email protected] Laurel Baty, L252 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurel Baty" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 2:55 PM Subject: [BP2000] Obituary of Henry Beatty, L364 > This obituary was sent to me by Steve Beaty of L364--Henry Beatty died in > Moultrie, Georgia. He notes "Notice that he died at the home of his > father in law, John J. Vickers, who is the son of Reverend, or Elder John > "Jack" Vickers, who founded Hebron church....John Vickers daughter Martha > "Mattie" Van Vickers was the wife of Henry Clay Beatty/Beaty .....He would > be my grandfather....He died when my father was only 3 years old....S. > Beaty....."

HI Everybody, ARE YOU CHANGING YOU EMAIL ACCOUNTS? THere seems to have been problems knowing what to do... Well you unsubsubscribe from the old address and resubscribe from the new address... The first step is to unsubscribe from the old address: to do this send an email to [email protected] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE no other word, no signature block! a computer does this and any other word just confuses the computer, so your request fails... after you recieve your good bye letter you resubscribe from the new address. by sending an email to: [email protected] with the word SUBSCRIBE again no other words no messages nothing else! And the computer will do it all for you! Now one last thing... say you forgot or did not know to unsubscribe from your old addy and you no longer have it... then I have to become involved you write and tell me via the admin address that you forgot/ didn't know... what ever and I will unsubscribe you, .... for you... But you need to rescribe yourself... Now if you have a disibility or real problems with doing this I will help but a member should know how to do it for them selves unless they really have problems..... I hope that helps, if you still need help please write via the admin addy and I'll get write to it Nelda OH!!!!!!!! ALMOST EVERY EMAIL at the bottom has the email address used to subscribe and unsubscribe. See below.... > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ http://liveearth.msn.com

This obituary was sent to me by Steve Beaty of L364--Henry Beatty died in Moultrie, Georgia. He notes "Notice that he died at the home of his father in law, John J. Vickers, who is the son of Reverend, or Elder John "Jack" Vickers, who founded Hebron church....John Vickers daughter Martha "Mattie" Van Vickers was the wife of Henry Clay Beatty/Beaty .....He would be my grandfather....He died when my father was only 3 years old....S. Beaty....." HENRY BEATTY DEAD [Handwritten dates on newspaper clipping: 1 18-1878, 3-15-1908] He Passed Away Yesterday afternoon At 3 o'clock (From Monday's Daily) Mr. Henry Beatty died yesterday afternoon about three o'clock at the home of Mr. J. J. Vickers, his father-in-law. Mr. Beatty has been in poor health for several months. A few weeks ago he moved to a farm near Pavo, thinking his health might be improved. Some days ago he came to Moultrie for medical treatment and was forced to take his bed while at the home of his father-in-law, Mr. Vickers. He grew worse from day to day and there had been little prospects for his recovery two or three days prior to his death. The deceased is survived by a wife and two children. The funeral occurred this afternoon in the city cemetery Revs. Carl Minor and J. G. Venable conducting the ceremonies. The pall bearers were: W. H. Murphy, J. H. Harrell, F. O. Heard, J. H. Shivers, A. H. Groover and A. Huber. [The current version of L364 shown on BP2000 does not include Steve Beaty [[email protected]].--L. Baty, L252]

Laurel, He needs to unsubscribe from his old and resubscribe from his new! Nelda Nelda's websites - http://freepages.folklore.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ Duct tape is like 'The Force'. It has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Laurel Baty" <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] To: <[email protected]> Subject: [BP2000] New Email Addres for Steve Beaty of L364 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:24:09 -0400 Steve Beaty of L364 notes that he has a new email address and is trying to transition to it: [email protected] Laurel Baty, L252 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurel Baty" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 2:55 PM Subject: [BP2000] Obituary of Henry Beatty, L364 > This obituary was sent to me by Steve Beaty of L364--Henry Beatty died in > Moultrie, Georgia. He notes "Notice that he died at the home of his > father in law, John J. Vickers, who is the son of Reverend, or Elder John > "Jack" Vickers, who founded Hebron church....John Vickers daughter Martha > "Mattie" Van Vickers was the wife of Henry Clay Beatty/Beaty .....He would > be my grandfather....He died when my father was only 3 years old....S. > Beaty....." When replying to a digest message, quote only the specific message to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Also, remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69&FORM=MGAC01

Joseph Beattie in Scotland Marriages from Old Parish Records Dec. 19, 1851 Beatt Joseph to Jean Boyd, Dundee Parish, Angus Dec. 25, 1845 Beattie, Joseph to Margaret Desson, Kinnethmont, Aberdeen Mar 14, 1848 Beattie, Joseph to Catherine Ramsay or Thomas, Edinburgh Parish, Midlothian April 10, 1853 Beattie, Joseph to Elisabeth McLarne, Haddington, East Lothian Births From Old Parish Records Sept. 29, 1824 Barty Joseph to James Barty & Janet Miller, Dundee, Angus June 30, 1800 Batie Joseph to John Batie & ____, Caerlaverock, Dumfries November 14, 1813 Battley Joseph to Stewart Battley & Mary Scott, Errol, Perth May 8, 1825 Beath, Joseph to William Beath & Margt. Simson, Arbroath, Angus June 4, 1811 Beattie, Joseph to Jonathan Beattie & __ Dumfries, Dumfries June 28, 1820 Beattie, Joseph to Walter Beattie & Margaret Thomson, North Berwick, East Lothian July 21, 1822 Beattie, Joseph to George Beattie & Helen Turnbull, Stow, Midlothian Dec. 14, 1824 Beattie, Joseph to Joseph Beattie & Elizabeth Anderson, Aberdeen. Aberdeen Mar. 20, 1827 Beattie, Joseph to Thomas Beattie & Elizabeth Philips, St. Vigeans, Angus Feb. 6, 1829 Beattie, Joseph to Joseph Beattie & Ann Mitchell, Glenbervie, Kincardine July 13, 1833 Beattie, Joseph to Willm. Beattie & Ann Cameron, Fordoun, Kincardine Mar 22, 1839 Beattie, Joseph to Andrew Beattie & Margaret Sellar, Old Machar, Aberdeen Nov. 14, 1845 Beattie, Joseph to William Beattie & Elizabeth Bryden, Annan, Dumfries Feb. 8, 1846 Beattie, Joseph to James Beattie & Eleanor Richardson, Gretna, Dumfries Feb 19, 1846 Beattie, Joseph to James Beattie & Helen Richardson, Gretna, Dumfries Sept. 13, 1851 Beattie, Joseph to Joseph Beattie, Kinnethmont, Aberdeen Mar. 12, 1853 Beattie, Joseph to Francis Beattie & Elizabeth Hope, Annan, Dumfries July 10, 1842 Beattie, Joseph Nicholson to John Beattie & Janet Moffat, Cummertrees, Dumfries Aug. 2, 1813 Beaty, Joseph to Robert Beaty & Ann Cameron, Kirkcudbright, Kirkcudbright Nov. 8, 1730 Love, Rose to Neill Love & Helen Bannantine, Campbeltown, Argyll May 8, 1785 Love, Rose to John Love & Jean Fulton, Lochwinnoch, Renfrew Sept. 18, 1842 Love, Rose to James Love & Margaret Barr, Lochwinnoch, Renfrew (still unmarried in 1861 census) Feb. 26, 1827 Love, Rosean to John Love & Jean Herron, Girvan, Ayr [could not find in 1841 census; there are a family of Beatties in 1841, Girvan, Ayr-no Joseph] Children born to Joseph Beattie 1840 - 1854 May 12, 1854 Beatie, James to Joseph Beatie & Feathy Elliot, Kilbarchan, Renfrew [have don a previous post on this family] May 12, 1854 Beatie, William to Joseph Beatie & Feathy Elliot, Kilbarchan, Renfrew Jan. 17, 1840 Beattie, ___ to Joseph Beattie & Anne Mitchell, Durris, Kincardine June 12, 1849 Beattie, Anne to Joseph Beattie & ___, Kinnethmont, Aberdeen June 15, 1848 Beattie, Elizabeth to Joseph Beattie & ___, Kinnethmont, Aberdeen Sept. 13, 1851 Beattie, Joseph to Joseph Beattie & ___, Kinnethmont, Aberdeen Oct. 1, 1846 Beattie, Margaret to Joseph Beattie & ___, Kinnethmont, Aberdeen Aug. 3, 1848 Beattie, Mary to Joseph Beattie & Margaret Brown, New Cumnock, Ayr Sept. 3, 1848 Beattie, Mary Brown to Joseph Beattie & Margaret Brown, Crawfordjohn, Lanark If you would like me to try and do census for any of the above Joseph Beatties let me know. Here are 2 Census for the Joseph Beattie marriages above: 1851 Edinburgh, Midlothian [Still residing in Edinburgh in 1861] Joseph Beattie, 73 born Edinburgh, tailor Catherine Beattie 37 wife, born Midlothian 1851 Kinnethmont, Aberdeen [Joseph is not in the 1861 Census, but his wife, Margaret is with everal children] Joseph Beattie 59 born Rhymie, Aberdeen, farmer Margaret 39 born Aberdeen, wife Ann 1, daughter Margaret Beathe 4, daughter Allen Gibb, 9, stepdaughter Laurel Baty, L252

Hi, Just thought it would help a little since I am still looking for the Joseph Beattie/Beatty that married Rose Love after his first wife died [ she is still unknown] but the one you posted below was married to Isabella Leckey/Leckie/Lackie in 1854 in Banbridge, Co. Down, Ireland according to a Record a lady sent to me trying to help me find my Joseph Beattie. I didn't ask her where she got the information, I guess I was overwhelmed about the info and sometimes I KRS. OLD age sets in sometimes. Births: Beattie, John, born April 23, 1856, Saltcoats, Ardrossan, father Joseph Beattie, mother Isabella Lackie Here are a few more that she sent to me from Co. Down, Ireland: 1853 Joseph BEATTY, Eliza Ann RUTHERFORD, Lisburn Down 1850 Joseph BEATTY, Abigail WILSON, Lisburn Antrim / Down 1845 Joseph BEATTY, Mary WRIGHT, Newry Down [This one might be a possible for my Joseph Beattie's first wife as I have Wright's in my family of Beattie's also, [L392], only because the lady that was helping me found my great great grandfather William WRIGHT married to my gg grandmother Mary GRAHAM in Newry, Co. Down, Ireland. Type Civil Marriages Date Of Marriage 04/01/1853 Husband First name WILLIAM [My great great grandfather] Husband Surname WRIGHT Husband Townland / Street ALTNAVEAGH Husband Occupation LABOURER Husband Age FA Husband Denomination Presbyterian Husband Marital Status Bachelor (Previously unmarried) Husband Father First name ROBERT [My 3rd. great grandfather] Husband Father Surname WRIGHT Husband Father Occupation LABOURER Husband Mother First name Husband Mother Surname Husband Witness First name JOHN Husband Witness Surname MCAULEY Wife First name MARY Wife Surname GRAHAM Wife Townland / Street CLOUGHSKELL Wife Occupation Wife Age FA Wife Denomination Presbyterian Wife Marital Status Spinster (Previously unmarried) Wife Father First name WILLIAM [My 3rd. great grandfather] Wife Father Surname GRAHAM Wife Father Occupation FARMER Wife Mother First name Wife Mother Surname Wife Witness First name JOHN [ ? brother to my 2nd great grandmother] Wife Witness Surname GRAHAM Denomination Comment BY LICENSE REV J DODD. Street DOWNSHIRE ROAD Presbyterian Town NEWRY & MOURNE Area NEWRY County CO DOWN This is the marriage record for my great grandmother Eliza BEATTIE: Value Type: Civil Marriage Record Date Of Marriage: 01:11:1878 Husband First name: ROBERT [My great grandfather] Husband Surname: WRIGHT Husband Townland: SHRIGLEY [Note: Village of Shrigley, Killyleagh, Co. Down, Ireland] Husband Occupation: SORTER Husband Father First name: WILLIAM [My great great grandfather] Husband Father Surname : WRIGHT Husband Father Occupation: FARMER Husband Witness: HENRY J MORROW Wife First name: ELIZA [My great grandmother] Wife Surname: BEATTIE Wife Townland: SHRIGLEY Wife Father First name: JOSEPH [My great great grandfather] Wife Father Surname: BEATTIE Wife Father Occupation: LABOURER Wife Witness: ALICE REA Comment: Minister/Priest: RAY RICHARD. St John the Evangelist Church of Ireland [I sent a e-mail to this place but haven't heard from them yet] Town: Killyleagh Area: Killyleagh County: Down This was also found: Birth record for Eliza & Robert Wright's 1st. daughter: http://www.ulsterancestry.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=5103#5103 Lakemba Joined: 09 Jul 2007 Posts: 4 Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 6:24 pm Post subject: IGI shows Mary Wright born 27 July 1880 Tullyveery, Down, Ireland, daughter of Robert Wright & Eliza Geattie <----probably a mistake. I don't have the money for subscriptions to the different paid sites or the money for any thing right now I have to rely on RAOK or SKS for my information. Kind Regards, Cheryl Myers [L392] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurel Baty" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 7:41 PM Subject: [BP2000] Post 1854 Deaths Marriages and births from AyrshireScotland Post 1854 Ayrshire Marriages, Births and Deaths [This is a summary of the different Marriage and death records that I have viewed from Ayrshire, Scotland. This is not a complete index of available deaths or marriages. Originals can be viewed on http://www.Scotlandspeople.gov.uk] Marriages: Beattie, David of Gorebridge (preacher), age 29, born Alloa, son of James Beattie & Catherine Briggs to Agnes Jamison of New Miles, age 26, daughter of Andrew Jamieson & Margaret Hamilton Loudoun Parish, Ayrshire; April 3, 1855. Beattie, David, Ardrossan, age 27, engine driver, widower, 2nd marriage, father Samuel Beattie, mother Ann McMillan (deceased) to Mary McMillan, age 27 of Saltcoats, father John McMillan, seaman (deceased), mother Elizabeth Shaw, married November 9, 1858 at Kirkroad, Saltcoats Beattie, Sarah, Crofthead Street, Saltcoats, Old Ardrossan, Ayrshire, age 20, father James Beattie, farmer (deceased), mother Sarah Robertson to John Milne, age 26 of Saltcoats, father Joseph Milne, mother Ann Reese, married January 21, 1862 at Croft Head Street, Saltcoats. Beattie, William of Dockhead St., Saltcoats, age 24, son of Robert Beattie & Isabella Thomson to Martha Hughes, 22, daughter of James Hughes & Janet Neil, Old Ardrossan, Ayrshire, October 13, 1873 Births: Beattie, Ann, born February 4, 1855, Ardrossan, father David Beattie born Riccarton, 26 years old, married at Ardrossan in 1852, 1 boy living, mother Isabella Beattie, 23 years old, her second child Beattie, John, born April 23, 1856, Saltcoats, Ardrossan, father Joseph Beattie, mother Isabella Lackie Beattie, John, born November 18, 1859, Ardrossan, Ayrshire, father David Beattie (engine driver), mother Margaret McMillan Beattie, Mary Eliza, born November 17, 1861, father David Beattie, engine driver; mother Mary McMillan; married November 9, 1858, Saltcoats. Beattie, Jane, born May 1, 1862, Old Ardrossan, Ayrshire, Crofthead Street, Saltcoats, illegitimate, mother Jane Beattie, domestic servant. Beattie, David, born April 17, 1865, New Ardrossan, Ayrshire; father David Beattie, engine driver; mother Mary McMillan. Beattie, Annie, born January 16, 1873, Raise Street, Saltcoats, illegitimate; father William Beattie, mother Martha Hughes Deaths: Beattie, Catherine, 96 years old, single, Daughter of Thomas Beattie and Jane Dawson, both deceased; died May 16, 1856 St. Quivox Parish, Ayrshire Beattie, Robert, 2 days old, illegitimate, died April 24, 1857, Kilmarnock, Ayrshire, mother Margaret Beattie, buried Ardrossan Burying Ground; informant, Mary Beattie, grandmother. Beattie, Isabella, wife of David Beattie, engine driver, died November 17, 1857 Ardrossan, Ayrshire, 31 years old, father Peter MacKenzie, mother Catherine Bell; buried Ardrossan churchyard, Saltcoats; David Beattie, husband, informant. Beattie, Martha, age 70, widow of a Coalminer, daughter of Robert Hart and Mary McComb, died June 18, 1859, St. Quivox Parish Beattie, Thomas, aged 71, single, son of Thomas Beattie, huntsman & Jane Dawson (both deceased) died November 28, 1859 in St. Quivox Parish. Beattie, Samuel (shoemaker), aged 85, died February 17, 1861 Kilbirnie, Ayrshire; his parents names are not listed Beattie, Allan, aged 79, a weaver, son of David Beattie (weaver) & ____ Templeton, widower of Janet Richmond, died Sept. 26, 1861, Kilmarnock, Scotland. Son Matthew Beattie is informant. Beattie, David, aged 5 ½ years, father David Beattie, engine driver, mother Isabella McKenzie (deceased), died June 17, 1862, Ardrossan, informant Hugh McKenzie, uncle. Beattie, Hugh, aged 10 years, died September 8, 1862, New Ardrossan, Ayrshire, father David Beattie, mother Isabella McKenzie; grandfather Robt McKenzie is informant. Beattie, James, aged 54 years and a farm servant, married to Margaret Barclay, son of James Beattie and Mary ___, both deceased, died April 15, 1863, Ayr Parish, Ayrshire Beattie, Margaret, died Sept. 8, 1867, age 80, single, pauper; father David Beattie a muslin weaver and Margaret Templeton (both deceased); informant, Matthew Beattie, nephew. Beattie, William, 44 years old, died August 10, 1867, Kilmarnock, Scotland; widower of Margaret Develin; father James Beattie (farmer), mother Margaret Allen; informant Robert Beattie, brother. Beattie, Mary, aged 42, wife of David Beattie, daughter of John McMillan and Elizabeth Shaw (both deceased), died September 6, 1870, Barr Lane, Ardrossan; David Beattie, husband was the informant. Beattie, Andrew, died January 10, 1876, New Cumnock, Ayrshire, aged 82, married to Agnes Findley; father Andrew Beattie, farmer, now deceased & mother Mary Graham, deceased; informant Andrew Beattie, grandson. Beattie, Peter, died August 17, 1876, age 24 years and 6 months, Stevenston Parish, Ayrshire, father George Beattie, mother Janet Allan; informant father George Beattie Beattie, George, aged 86 years, married to Ann McMillan, died March 11, 1877, Crofthead Street, Saltcoats, Old Ardrossan, Ayrshire. His father's name was Robert Beattie and his mother's name was Elizabeth Lamb (both are deceased); the informant is Ann Beattie, widow. Beattie, Joseph, aged 56, retired master Gunner, Royal Artillery, widower of Jane Montgomery; died January 5, 1880, Canal Street, Saltcoats. His father was Joseph Beattie, a farmer (deceased) and his mother was Jane Beattie, maiden name Jamison Beattie, Robert, died August 21, 1880, Kilmarnock, Ayrshire; Railway Surface man, married to Ann Jane Templeton, age 61, father John Beattie (dead); mother not given; informant Robert Beattie, son Beattie, James, 59 years old, died October 29, 1894, St. Quivox, Ayr Parish, widower of Jane Frew; father James Beattie, farm servant (deceased); mother Margaret Barclay (deceased); Mary Frew, "occupier of house" was informant. Beattie, Hugh, 16 years old 88 Raise St., Saltcoats, father William Beattie, mother Jane Williamson; died May 29, 1895, Saltcoats Beattie, George, 82 years old, widower of Jane Ure, died September 30, 1904, Kirmichael Village, Ayrshire, parents names not given, informant Colin C. Beattie, grandson (resident of Glasgow) Beattie, Thomas, 53 years old, died June 1, 1906, New Ardrossan, Ayrshire, seaman, Father Thomas Beattie, mother Susan Bryson (both deceased); informant Jennie Beattie, daughter. Beattie, William, 60 years old, died Feb. 16, 1909, Old Ardrossan, Ayrshire, resides Raise St., Saltcoats; father William Beattie, Ploughman, mother Agnes Templeton; William Beattie, son of Raise St. Saltcoats, is informant. Laurel Baty, L252

Jerry and Marlene, I would like to hear Earl Beaty's comments on the possible relationship between L1, L3, L2B, L2D, and L2F. I would like to also include L2E David Beaty, who has a descendant who has been tested to 37 markers, and I thought was going to be upgraded to 67 markers, but haven't seen any results yet. This L2E donor, ID56 is an exact match with L2F ID55, who is my brother. I'm going to copy Earl on this and hope to encourage him to get in on our musings with his more experienced input. Paper trail-wise, we have not been able to find any connection of any L2 subgroup with L1 or L3, but DNA seems to indicate a connection. Willie ----- Original Message ----- From: "JERRY SCOTT" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 3:35 PM Subject: [BP2000] DNA TESTING > Marlene and Willie, I ask my cousin Jerry Baker to look at ID 31 and > this is his email and > wanted to share this with the group. > > Jerry Scott > L2D > > Jerry S., > > I have reviewed Tables I, II, III, & IV for the Beatty/Beaty DNA Project > relative to ID #31 and L2B, L2D, & L2F. Looks like there are 115 Beaty > testers. > > Table I > I could not tell much from looking at Table I but it did have a link to > some information on the lineages for L2B, L2D, & L2F. Your Beaty must be > represented in L2D, since you are listed as a contact for that lineage and > it includes a bunch of Scott names. > > Table II (Group A is R1b1c) > Your questions relate to Group A. It appears that three tester IDs 19, > 65, & 75 are listed for 2B; only ID 31 for 2D and only 55 for 2F. ID 75 > only has 25 markers. As obvious from the tables, Lineage 2B is 4 markers > off from the standard with 2 of them being fast moving markers. Lineage > 2F is 3 markers off from the standard with 2 of them being fast moving > markers. > > Table III > This table is interesting, but does not tell you much. It shows how much > each of the Groups varies from the other groups. The closest potential > connection between the various groups is Group A (R1b1c) and Group P (ID > 68 - R1b - Line 379) which has 5 markers off from each other (two of which > are fast moving markers). It is listed in the Table as 4 markers off, > probably because 2 of the 5 differences are fast moving markers. Group P > has only 25 markers completed. > > Table IV > It appears that Table IV has an error. Table IV lists ID 31 line as 2C > while Tables I & II list ID 31 line as 2D. I believe the 2C is in error > and should read 2D, since your Beatys are represented in Lineage 2D. > IDs 19 (2B), 31 (2D), & 55 (2F) each have 67 markers. ID 65 has 37 > markers and ID 75 has 25 markers. > > Two new marker differences from the R1b standard show up at markers 51 & > 60 for IDs 31 (2D) , 55 (2F) , & 19 (2B), but all three IDs have these > differences, thus all three IDs show no differences in markers 38 thru 67 > when compared to the R1b standard and the Adam (Group A) standard. > > Conclusions: > > I would guess that ID numbers 19, 31, & 55 have very high percentages for > their common most distant ancestors being in a recent period of time. I > would recommending asking IDs 65 & 75 to expand their tests to 67 markers > to add to the data baseline. > > Also, I would recommend asking ID #68 (Group P - Lineage 379) to expand > from 25 markers to 67 markers and would research lineage 379 for a > connection (unless I am missing something about this close 4 markers off > comparison). > > > > I am only an amateur at DNA. If you have a specific question I might be > able to help get the answer by asking others, but I do not know very much > about DNA on my own. > > Jerry Baker > > When replying to a digest message, quote only the specific message to > which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. > Also, remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides > with the message subject to which you are replying. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Post 1854 Ayrshire Marriages, Births and Deaths [This is a summary of the different Marriage and death records that I have viewed from Ayrshire, Scotland. This is not a complete index of available deaths or marriages. Originals can be viewed on http://www.Scotlandspeople.gov.uk] Marriages: Beattie, David of Gorebridge (preacher), age 29, born Alloa, son of James Beattie & Catherine Briggs to Agnes Jamison of New Miles, age 26, daughter of Andrew Jamieson & Margaret Hamilton Loudoun Parish, Ayrshire; April 3, 1855. Beattie, David, Ardrossan, age 27, engine driver, widower, 2nd marriage, father Samuel Beattie, mother Ann McMillan (deceased) to Mary McMillan, age 27 of Saltcoats, father John McMillan, seaman (deceased), mother Elizabeth Shaw, married November 9, 1858 at Kirkroad, Saltcoats Beattie, Sarah, Crofthead Street, Saltcoats, Old Ardrossan, Ayrshire, age 20, father James Beattie, farmer (deceased), mother Sarah Robertson to John Milne, age 26 of Saltcoats, father Joseph Milne, mother Ann Reese, married January 21, 1862 at Croft Head Street, Saltcoats. Beattie, William of Dockhead St., Saltcoats, age 24, son of Robert Beattie & Isabella Thomson to Martha Hughes, 22, daughter of James Hughes & Janet Neil, Old Ardrossan, Ayrshire, October 13, 1873 Births: Beattie, Ann, born February 4, 1855, Ardrossan, father David Beattie born Riccarton, 26 years old, married at Ardrossan in 1852, 1 boy living, mother Isabella Beattie, 23 years old, her second child Beattie, John, born April 23, 1856, Saltcoats, Ardrossan, father Joseph Beattie, mother Isabella Lackie Beattie, John, born November 18, 1859, Ardrossan, Ayrshire, father David Beattie (engine driver), mother Margaret McMillan Beattie, Mary Eliza, born November 17, 1861, father David Beattie, engine driver; mother Mary McMillan; married November 9, 1858, Saltcoats. Beattie, Jane, born May 1, 1862, Old Ardrossan, Ayrshire, Crofthead Street, Saltcoats, illegitimate, mother Jane Beattie, domestic servant. Beattie, David, born April 17, 1865, New Ardrossan, Ayrshire; father David Beattie, engine driver; mother Mary McMillan. Beattie, Annie, born January 16, 1873, Raise Street, Saltcoats, illegitimate; father William Beattie, mother Martha Hughes Deaths: Beattie, Catherine, 96 years old, single, Daughter of Thomas Beattie and Jane Dawson, both deceased; died May 16, 1856 St. Quivox Parish, Ayrshire Beattie, Robert, 2 days old, illegitimate, died April 24, 1857, Kilmarnock, Ayrshire, mother Margaret Beattie, buried Ardrossan Burying Ground; informant, Mary Beattie, grandmother. Beattie, Isabella, wife of David Beattie, engine driver, died November 17, 1857 Ardrossan, Ayrshire, 31 years old, father Peter MacKenzie, mother Catherine Bell; buried Ardrossan churchyard, Saltcoats; David Beattie, husband, informant. Beattie, Martha, age 70, widow of a Coalminer, daughter of Robert Hart and Mary McComb, died June 18, 1859, St. Quivox Parish Beattie, Thomas, aged 71, single, son of Thomas Beattie, huntsman & Jane Dawson (both deceased) died November 28, 1859 in St. Quivox Parish. Beattie, Samuel (shoemaker), aged 85, died February 17, 1861 Kilbirnie, Ayrshire; his parents names are not listed Beattie, Allan, aged 79, a weaver, son of David Beattie (weaver) & ____ Templeton, widower of Janet Richmond, died Sept. 26, 1861, Kilmarnock, Scotland. Son Matthew Beattie is informant. Beattie, David, aged 5 ½ years, father David Beattie, engine driver, mother Isabella McKenzie (deceased), died June 17, 1862, Ardrossan, informant Hugh McKenzie, uncle. Beattie, Hugh, aged 10 years, died September 8, 1862, New Ardrossan, Ayrshire, father David Beattie, mother Isabella McKenzie; grandfather Robt McKenzie is informant. Beattie, James, aged 54 years and a farm servant, married to Margaret Barclay, son of James Beattie and Mary ___, both deceased, died April 15, 1863, Ayr Parish, Ayrshire Beattie, Margaret, died Sept. 8, 1867, age 80, single, pauper; father David Beattie a muslin weaver and Margaret Templeton (both deceased); informant, Matthew Beattie, nephew. Beattie, William, 44 years old, died August 10, 1867, Kilmarnock, Scotland; widower of Margaret Develin; father James Beattie (farmer), mother Margaret Allen; informant Robert Beattie, brother. Beattie, Mary, aged 42, wife of David Beattie, daughter of John McMillan and Elizabeth Shaw (both deceased), died September 6, 1870, Barr Lane, Ardrossan; David Beattie, husband was the informant. Beattie, Andrew, died January 10, 1876, New Cumnock, Ayrshire, aged 82, married to Agnes Findley; father Andrew Beattie, farmer, now deceased & mother Mary Graham, deceased; informant Andrew Beattie, grandson. Beattie, Peter, died August 17, 1876, age 24 years and 6 months, Stevenston Parish, Ayrshire, father George Beattie, mother Janet Allan; informant father George Beattie Beattie, George, aged 86 years, married to Ann McMillan, died March 11, 1877, Crofthead Street, Saltcoats, Old Ardrossan, Ayrshire. His father's name was Robert Beattie and his mother's name was Elizabeth Lamb (both are deceased); the informant is Ann Beattie, widow. Beattie, Joseph, aged 56, retired master Gunner, Royal Artillery, widower of Jane Montgomery; died January 5, 1880, Canal Street, Saltcoats. His father was Joseph Beattie, a farmer (deceased) and his mother was Jane Beattie, maiden name Jamison Beattie, Robert, died August 21, 1880, Kilmarnock, Ayrshire; Railway Surface man, married to Ann Jane Templeton, age 61, father John Beattie (dead); mother not given; informant Robert Beattie, son Beattie, James, 59 years old, died October 29, 1894, St. Quivox, Ayr Parish, widower of Jane Frew; father James Beattie, farm servant (deceased); mother Margaret Barclay (deceased); Mary Frew, "occupier of house" was informant. Beattie, Hugh, 16 years old 88 Raise St., Saltcoats, father William Beattie, mother Jane Williamson; died May 29, 1895, Saltcoats Beattie, George, 82 years old, widower of Jane Ure, died September 30, 1904, Kirmichael Village, Ayrshire, parents names not given, informant Colin C. Beattie, grandson (resident of Glasgow) Beattie, Thomas, 53 years old, died June 1, 1906, New Ardrossan, Ayrshire, seaman, Father Thomas Beattie, mother Susan Bryson (both deceased); informant Jennie Beattie, daughter. Beattie, William, 60 years old, died Feb. 16, 1909, Old Ardrossan, Ayrshire, resides Raise St., Saltcoats; father William Beattie, Ploughman, mother Agnes Templeton; William Beattie, son of Raise St. Saltcoats, is informant. Laurel Baty, L252

I am Teresa Walker, descendant of L9 Beat(t)ys I have kept up my "lurking" on this debate. I have a thought that the Andrew on the 1830 census in Saline Co., is my Andrew Beat(t)y who moved to Cooper Co. and then to Morgan Co. Perhaps he was a cousin of the other Beaty lines in Saline Co. I do know that many of my family had dealings in Saline Co. and Syrena Beaty who married my ggreat-grandfather, Jacob Vaught, died and is buried in Saline Co., as well as several of her children. Here are my notes on my Andrew Beaty (some from BP2000 members) from L9. I am not stating flatly that this is my Andrew, but would like to have some opinions and evidence to the contrary. Right now I am just hoping for some proof, as I have had great difficulty in tracking down the various Beaty lines in Kentucky. I have done a great deal of researching in Morgan and Moniteau Co. for these Beatys, as well as some in Floyd Co., Kentucky. I will be happy to share this lineage and information with anyone interested. MY NOTES-- I believe he is found on the 1830 census for Arrow Rock Twp., Saline Co., Missouri, Page 232, as follows: Andrew Beatty - one male under five (George); two males 20-30 (Andrew and unknown); two females under five (Syrena and Mary); one female 20-30 (Jane). (He may have had a brother living with him.) They are found on the 1840 Cooper co., Missouri, unlisted twp., pg. 126, as follows: Andrew Beatty: 1 m 5-10 (Robert), 1 m 10-15 (James), 1 m 15-20 (George), 1 m 40-50 (himself), 3 females under 5 (Lucinda, Darcus and Elizabeth); 1 f 5-10 (Frances), 2 f 10-15 (Mary and unknown), 2 f 15-20 (Syrena and unknown), 1 f 30-40 (wife Jane). (James was born ca 1830, probably after the 1830 census was taken.) He is found on the 1850 census for Mill Creek Twp., Morgan Co., Missouri, Family 437, as follows: ANDREW BEATY, age 54, born Kentucky; Jane Beaty, age 47, born Virginia; James Beaty, age 20, born Missouri; Robert Beaty, age 18, born Missouri; Lucinda Beaty, age 16, born Missouri; Frances Ann Beaty, age 14, born Missouri; Darcus Beaty, age 12, born Missouri; Elizabeth Beaty, age 10, born Missouri; Andrew Beaty, age 2, born Missouri. 16 Oct 1858, in Moniteau Co., Missouri, Jane Beaty (Baty/Batty) purchased 60 acres in Walker Twp. from Nicholas and Francis Birdsong. The description is as follows: NE1/4 of the SE1/4 and W1/2 of the NE1/4 of the SE1/4 of Section 12, Twp. 45, Range 15. Since she purchased this property in her sole name, it is assumed her husband was deceased. Their marriage took place in Floyd Co., Kentucky. Taken from a book of Kentucky Vital Statistics by Annie Walker Burns, there are only two Beatty families shown in the 1810 Floyd Co. census, both headed by a Daniel Beatty. It is possible they are the same family and were recorded twice by Ms. Burns because she was unsure of the numbers shown. The first record shows Daniel Beattey, 2 males 10-16, 1 male 16-26, 1 male over 45, 1 female 26-45. The second family shows Daniel Beatty, 2 males 10-16, 4 males 16-26, 1 male over 45, 1 female 26-45. There is a David Beaty shown on the 1820 census for Floyd Co., Kentucky, with the following statistics: Males 30010; females 00100, no slaves. *********************************** From: BP2000 Vol. 4, No. 275 >From "Annals of Floyd County, Kentucky 1800-1826" by Charles C. Wells, Gateway Press, 1983: Page 224 January Term: Monday the 23rd day of January, 1826: Thomas Witten is appointed Surveyor in the place of Robert Brown, Removed. David BEATY is appointed Surveyor in place of Isaac Preston, resigned. Page 239 13, April 1821: Indenture from Samuel Brown to James BEATY of Cabell County, Va. in the amount of $150 for a 160 acre tract in the Territory of Illinois. (Teresa's note: I have been to Cabell Co., and was unable to find anything regarding the Beatys, other than this transaction.) Page 260 Bond dated 3, April 1821 by Andrew Batty and Daniel Adams for a marriage shortly to be had between Andrew Batty and Jean Maddox. April 2nd, 1821: This is to sertify that George Maddox of the County of Floyd and the State of Kentucky, has given leaf from under his hand to said Mayo, Clerk of the said County, to give Andrew BEATY licenses to mary my daughter Jane Maddox. [Spelling as in book-LB] Laurel Baty, L252 ******************************************* >From the pension application of Sarah Beaty. George Beatty married Sarah ___. In Loudoun County Virginia, February 5, 1786 and he died in Montgomery County, Kentucky, November 1798 or 1799. George and Sarah Beatty had the following children: Thomas born November 24, 178?; James born February 5, 1788; Milly born April 12, 1791; Robearte born September 6, 1793; Andrew born February 12, 1796; one other the youngest, whose name and date of birth are not stated. Said Sarah married her brother in law, John Beatty in Montgomery County, Kentucky, July 16, 1801. He died in said county June 9, 1839. John and Sarah Beatty had the following children: Daniel born July 11, 1802; George born December 1, 1803; Elizabeth born May 26, 1806; Cyrene born December 23, 1808. John Beatty was allowed pension on an application executed September 11, 1819, while a resident of Montgomery County, Kentucky, aged sixty three years. Sarah Beatty was allowed pension as the widow of George, on her application executed October 18, 1843, which a resident of Montgomery County, Kentucky, aged seventy four years. Very truly yours, AD Hiller; Assistant to Administator XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX There's a secondary source someplace that states George was married to an Indian woman before marrying Sarah..... xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Montgomery Co., KY Deeds Microfilm # 0252350 Deeds 1814-1817 This George Beaty is L-9 Vol. 7 pg. 287 Morgan to George Beatty's Heirs This indenture made 26 Oct. 1815 between Ralph Morgan and Mary his wife of Montgomery co., KY and James Beaty, Malinda Beaty, Robert Beaty, Andrew Beaty & John Beaty heirs and devisees of George Beaty, deceased of the state and county aforesaid of the other part. For one hundred and fifty two and one half dollars a parcel of land containing one hundred and eleven acres and 19 poles, part of 5,000 acre survey patented to Jacob Myers on the waters of Slate Creek beginning at the corner of Ralph Rabourn on original line at two sugar trees and hickory thence with original line south 7 degrees 18 minutesE 102 p to a stake a corner to Daniel Beaty thence with his line N 89 degrees E 163 to 3 sugar trees a corner of Daniel Beaty thence N one degree W 65 p & 7 links to an ash sugartree & buckeye thence W 7 p to a stake between two black ash stumps a corner to Evans thence with said Evans line N 2 degrees 16 min. 58 p to said Rabourn's corner a buckeye and 2 sugar trees thence with said Raburn's line S 88 degrees 30 min W 165 p to the beginning containing 111 acres 19 p. Ralph Morgan By Joseph Young his Attorney in Fact. Wit: J. Young, Jr. Montgomery Co., KY clerk's office Oct. 26, 1815 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Proof of the heirs of Geo. Beaty........ Montgomery Co., KY Deeds(excerpts-DVZ,RB) Microfilm # 0252351 Deeds 1818-1825 This indenture the 8 April 1824 between the heirs of George Beatty, deceased (to wit) John, James, Robert, Andrew Batey, Mathew and Malinda Adams of the county of Montgomery and state of Kentucky of the one part and Reuben McDonald of the same county and state aforesaid of the other part. Witnesseth, for and in consideration of a compromise this day made of the claims of sd. McDonald and the claims of the said Beatys and in further consideration of a deed of release executed by the sd. McDonald to the sd. Beatys of the first part bearing date even herewith, the parties of the first part doth hereby surrender unto the said Reuben McDaniel the following tract of land situate, lying and being on Spencer Creek Waters in the sd. county of Montgomery & contained in the following boundary: (Viz) Beginning at the line of Daniel Beaty at a stone corner between the claims of sd. George Beaty's heirs said Daniel Beaty thence N11West to a stone or corner on or near the line between Ralph Rabourn and the said heirs thence west with said Rabourn's line to Jacob Myers original line of 5000 acres thence south with said Myers line to Daniel Beatys line thence east with said D Beatys line to the beginning and said heirs parties of the first part doth hereby release and surrender unto the said Reuben McDaniel his heirs and assigns forever the said tract of land and all their claim title or interest to the same and in testimony whereof they have hereunto set their hands and affixws their seals this day and date first above written. John Beaty James Beaty Andrew Beaty Robert Beaty Mathew Adams Malinda Adams In the presence of: John Rabourn Chs. Ellis Lewis/Tenis Ford ----- Original Message ----- From: "JERRY SCOTT" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 7:28 AM Subject: [BP2000] DNA TESTING > Marlene , Willie and Group, > > I am not ready to accept these results as fact and that Andrew and > Alexander are not the > brothers of William of Saline Co. Mo.. > > Do we know that the descendants of L1, L3, L133, L438 and L39 who did > the DNA test are well documented research. > > It seem to me that there is some circumstantial evidence that would > lead us to believe that Andrew > Alexander and William are brothers , and James of Rutherford Co. Tn. > James did sell land to William's son Robert before Robert migarted to > Saline Co. > > David Beaty who also migrated to Hioward Co. and then to Saline Co. has > to been related to William Beaty of Saline Co. Was William his Uncle? > > . Unless some evidences proofs me wrong abt my theory on William, Andrew > and Alexander I will not be contented about my research and will keep > looking for > that one Source that will proves me RIGHT OR WRONG. > > > Jerry W.Scott > L2D > > > > > > > > > When replying to a digest message, quote only the specific message to > which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. > Also, remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides > with the message subject to which you are replying. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

So if I am reading the tables correctly on L-3 we have no exact matches yet. I guess if someone joins with an exact match we will know where to look. Donna L-3

I suspect this is probably L-3 James Madison Beatty son of Robert and Eusebia Brandon. His sister Anna Beatty Downs died at Red Willow co., NE also 8 Feb. 1893. Fayette co., IN Marriages Record Book F James M. Beatty to Aletha Moffett 9 Mar 1854 Is this the same James? 1860 IN - DELAWARE CO- MONROE 297 280 BATY JAMES M age 36 born IN-farmer ALETHA-F-27-IN.; MARY E-F-4-IN.; CHARLES W-M-2-IN. This is James with his father Robert of L-3 in 1850. In 1860 he is gone. Are they the same James? He married in Fayette co., IN. 1870 United States Federal Census about J M Botz Name: J M Botz Estimated birth year: abt 1825 Age in 1870: 45 Birthplace: Indiana Home in 1870: Lafayette, Madison, Indiana Family and neighbors: View Results Race: White Gender: Male Value of real estate: View image Post Office: Anderson J, M. Batz 45 farm 1800-875 IN Elitha 38 IN ME 13 IN C W 12 Wm 10 Laura/Laurisa/Louisa 5 or 7 Robt 5 Samantha 10/12 August IN 1880-Lafayette, Madison, Indiana Source: FHL Film 1254293 National Archives Film T9-0293 Page 137B Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace James M. BATY Self M M W 56 IN Occ: Farmer Fa: VA Mo: OH Aletha BATY Wife F M W 48 IN Occ: Keeping House Fa: TN Mo: IN Charles BATY Son M S W 22 IN Occ: Works On Farm Fa: IN Mo: IN William BATY Son M S W 20 IN Occ: Works On Farm Fa: IN Mo: IN Emma BATY Dau F S W 24 IN Occ: Teaching School Fa: IN Mo: IN Laura BATY Dau F S W 17 IN Occ: Teaching School Fa: IN Mo: IN Robert BATY Son M S W 12 IN Occ: At Home Fa: IN Mo: IN Lottie BATY Dau F S W 10 IN Fa: IN Mo: IN Pearl BATY Dau F S W 2 IN Fa: IN Mo: IN 1900 United States Federal Census about Robert Beatty Name: Robert Beatty Home in 1900: Liberty, Richardson, Nebraska Age: 35 Estimated birth year: abt 1865 Birthplace: Indiana Relationship to head-of-house: Son Parent's Name: Aletha Race: White Occupation: View image Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Aletha Beatty 67 head Apr 1833 wd with married 45 ys crossed out 7 ch 7 ch IN Irel IN Emma Beatty 41 dau March 1859 single IN IN IN William Beatty 36 son July 1863 single IN IN IN Robert Beatty 35 son feb 1865 single IN IN IN Lottie Beatty 26 dau sep 1873 single IN IN IN Pearl Beatty 23 dau oct 1876 single IN IN IN 1910 United States Federal Census about Charles Beatty Name: Charles Beatty Age in 1910: 50 Estimated birth year: abt 1860 Birthplace: Indiana Relation to Head of House: Head Father's Birth Place: Indiana Mother's Birth Place: Indiana Spouse's name: Suella M Home in 1910: Ohio, Richardson, Nebraska Marital Status: Married Race: White Gender: Male Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Charles Beatty 50 Suella M Beatty 32 Earl W Beatty 15 1910 United States Federal Census about Robert Beatty Name: Robert Beatty [Robert Beally] Age in 1910: 44 Estimated birth year: abt 1866 Birthplace: Indiana Relation to Head of House: Head Father's Birth Place: Indiana Mother's Birth Place: Indiana Spouse's name: Susie K Home in 1910: Willow Grove, Red Willow, Nebraska Marital Status: Married Race: White Gender: Male Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Robert Beatty 44 Susie K Beatty 25 Grace K Beatty 2 1910 United States Federal Census about William P Beattey Name: William P Beattey Age in 1910: 48 Estimated birth year: abt 1862 Birthplace: Indiana Relation to Head of House: Head Father's Birth Place: Indiana Mother's Birth Place: Indiana Home in 1910: McCook Ward 2, Red Willow, Nebraska Marital Status: Single Race: White Gender: Male Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age William P Beattey 48 Emma M Beattey 50 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Nebraska STATE GAZATTEER Business Directory and Farmer List for 1890-1891 Omaha: J.M.Wolfe & Co., Publishers, 509-510 Paxton Block 1890 Entered according to Act of Congress in the year of 1890, by J.M. Wolfe & Co, in the Office of the Librarian of Congress, at Washington, D.C. Richardson County Farmer List Beaty C W, Falls City. Beaty J M, Falls City. Beaty Robt, Falls City. Beaty W P, Falls City. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 1880-1898 GRADUATES OF FALLS CITY HIGH SCHOOL, RICHARDSON COUNTY 1897: Meda ANDERSON, Pearl BEATTY, Anna CROOK, Thomas ELSON, Elfie FOSTER, Clare FOSTER, Frankie FOX, Edward HOLDBROOK, Margaret HOLDBROOK, Nelle HOLDBROOK, Maud JUSSEN, Kathleen RYAN, Carrie STETLER, Maud WYLIE, Nellie YUTZY. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx This is probably Almira, another daughter. She probably married a Bush not a Buch. 1870 United States Federal Census about George W Bush Name: George W Bush Estimated birth year: abt 1867 Age in 1870: 3 Birthplace: Indiana Home in 1870: Harrison, Fayette, Indiana Family and neighbors: View Results Race: White Gender: Male Value of real estate: View image Post Office: Harrisburg Robert Baty 80 farm 8000-100 VA Mary 22 IN same household different family John Bush 35 farm NY Elmira 36 IN William 9 IN George W. 3 IN 1880-Marion, Boone, Indiana Source: FHL Film 1254266 National Archives Film T9-0266 Page 21A Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace John A. BUSH Self M M W 45 NY Occ: Farmer Fa: NY Mo: NY Elmyra BUSH Wife F M W 44 IN Occ: Keeping House Fa: VA Mo: OH William M. BUSH Son M S W 18 IN Occ: Helps On Farm Fa: NY Mo: IN George W. BUSH Son M S W 11 IN Occ: Helps On Farm Fa: NY Mo: IN

Marlene and Willie, I ask my cousin Jerry Baker to look at ID 31 and this is his email and wanted to share this with the group. Jerry Scott L2D Jerry S., I have reviewed Tables I, II, III, & IV for the Beatty/Beaty DNA Project relative to ID #31 and L2B, L2D, & L2F. Looks like there are 115 Beaty testers. Table I I could not tell much from looking at Table I but it did have a link to some information on the lineages for L2B, L2D, & L2F. Your Beaty must be represented in L2D, since you are listed as a contact for that lineage and it includes a bunch of Scott names. Table II (Group A is R1b1c) Your questions relate to Group A. It appears that three tester IDs 19, 65, & 75 are listed for 2B; only ID 31 for 2D and only 55 for 2F. ID 75 only has 25 markers. As obvious from the tables, Lineage 2B is 4 markers off from the standard with 2 of them being fast moving markers. Lineage 2F is 3 markers off from the standard with 2 of them being fast moving markers. Table III This table is interesting, but does not tell you much. It shows how much each of the Groups varies from the other groups. The closest potential connection between the various groups is Group A (R1b1c) and Group P (ID 68 - R1b - Line 379) which has 5 markers off from each other (two of which are fast moving markers). It is listed in the Table as 4 markers off, probably because 2 of the 5 differences are fast moving markers. Group P has only 25 markers completed. Table IV It appears that Table IV has an error. Table IV lists ID 31 line as 2C while Tables I & II list ID 31 line as 2D. I believe the 2C is in error and should read 2D, since your Beatys are represented in Lineage 2D. IDs 19 (2B), 31 (2D), & 55 (2F) each have 67 markers. ID 65 has 37 markers and ID 75 has 25 markers. Two new marker differences from the R1b standard show up at markers 51 & 60 for IDs 31 (2D) , 55 (2F) , & 19 (2B), but all three IDs have these differences, thus all three IDs show no differences in markers 38 thru 67 when compared to the R1b standard and the Adam (Group A) standard. Conclusions: I would guess that ID numbers 19, 31, & 55 have very high percentages for their common most distant ancestors being in a recent period of time. I would recommending asking IDs 65 & 75 to expand their tests to 67 markers to add to the data baseline. Also, I would recommend asking ID #68 (Group P - Lineage 379) to expand from 25 markers to 67 markers and would research lineage 379 for a connection (unless I am missing something about this close 4 markers off comparison). I am only an amateur at DNA. If you have a specific question I might be able to help get the answer by asking others, but I do not know very much about DNA on my own. Jerry Baker

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Willie, When I was born (in 1934) my Beaty family had been living in the same place for 100 yrs....so guess I didn't think much about European origins...but have always remembered having this hazy memory(I was very young), of asking my father , 'where the Beaty's came from'...--or who their people were...anyway...the response was , "Lowlands and Penn. dutch"...didn't know what either meant, but in later years , have thought it must be lowland Scots and PA germans. Marlene Beaty L2D -----Original Message----- >From: "Willie R. Beaty" <[email protected]> >Sent: Jul 21, 2007 11:08 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [BP2000] L2 and subgroups DNA > >>By the way, in your own lineage, where do the "old folks" (grandparents, >etc) say that you came to America from? I know mine claim Ireland more than >any other, but some say we are "Scotch-Irish." > > >Willie > > >