"Scots on the Chesapeake." By David Dobson, page 9 Beatty, Francis, Jacobite, tr. 29 June 1716, fr. Liverpool to Va. or Jamaica,on Elizabeth and Anne, Arr. Va. (Calendar of State Papers Colonial Americas and West Indies-1716.310) (Calendar of Treasury Books, London 1904.31.208) (Virginia State Papers.1.185) Beattie, William, merchant, res. Dumfries, Dumfriesshire, sett. Va. pre 1749 (Scottish Records Office.CS.1.81) Laurel Baty, L252

In a message dated 7/24/07 12:11:21 AM, [email protected] writes: > I've always been curious about the naming of the little settlement of Paoli > To tell you the truth, I've been curious, too -- because the name "Paoli" is Italian, and I doubt whether there was a substantial number of Italians in either Pennsylvania or Kentucky in Colonial times. It's a derivative of the given name Paolo, translated "Paul." The only connection that I can think of is the fact that Italian culture was big with the upper class of Englishmen during the 1700s. Doris Stanford (L-130B) ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

If we take the 1830 Montgomery Co., Missouri census as the correct one, we must come up with two more daughters (or other girls) living in the home at that time. The young sons could be George and James, but who would be the second daughter under five (besides Mary), and the second daughter age 5-10 (besides Syrena)? Since Andrew and Jane were married in April of 1821, six children in nine years is certainly not impossible, but given the only method of birth control during those days as the nursing period, it seems likely that only four children were born in those nine years. However, it seems that both those extra daughters also show up on the 1840 census. Mind-boggling, isn't it? Do we have any idea what the names of these daughters might have been? My only other thought on this would be--Why did they choose Montgomery Co., Missouri? I am really getting confused. I still lean toward the 1830 Saline Co. family as mine. If I could find George Mattox/Maddox on the 1830 census, that might give a clue, but none of the Georges I find seem to fit the birth pattern of the children. I guess it's a matter of getting to Saline Co. to see if I can find a deed with Andrew and his wife's name on it. I will do that as soon as I can. Right now, I am busy running to Lincoln to see my mother who is in the nursing home there. She has been in the hospital for the last four days and will leave tomorrow, so I will have to take a couple of days to see that she is settled in again. She is 93 and in good mental health, but her body is giving out. She is able to walk with a walker, and is up and around most of the time. Sorry to stir up a hornet's nest. By the way, does anyone know anything about those Beatys in Chariton Co., Missouri--John, William and Alexander? Also, Samuel of Cooper Co. in 1830. I give up for tonight. HELP!!! Teresa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna VanZandt" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [BP2000] Teresa's L9 & Andrew Beaty > Are you certain. I thought this was L-9. > > 1830 Montgomery co., MO pg. 213 Upper Loutre > Andrew Beaty: 1 m und 5, 1 m 5-10, 1 m 30-40, 2 f und 5, 2 f 5-10, 1 f > 20-30 > > 3 households later > James Beaty: 1 m und 5, 1 m 5-10, 1 m 40-50, 2 f und 5, 1 f 5-10, 2 f > 10-15, 1 f 30-40 > > Next family (L-9 Elizabeth Harriet Beaty wife of Joseph Conley) > Joseph Conley: 2 m und 5, 1 m 30-40, 1 f 20-30 > > pg. 214 (first family > Joseph Beaty: 1 m und 5, 1 m 40-50, 1 f und 5, 2 f 5-10, 1 f 30-40 > ------------------------------------------------------------ > 1840 Cooper co., MO Unknown pg. 126 > Andrew Beatty: 1 m 5-10, 1 m 10-15, 1 m 15-20, 1 m 40-50, 3 f und 5, 1 f > 5-10, 2 f 10-15, 2 f 15-20, 1 f 30-40, > > 1850 Morgan co., MO > Osage twp. > Pg. 250-251 > James Beaty 20 farmer 300 MO > Elizabeth 20 MO > Martha 6/12 MO > Mary Lisle 38 MO > Catherine 15 MO > > Osage twp. > Pg. 251 > Andrew Beaty 54 farmer 100 KY > Jane 47 VA > James 20 laborer MO > Robert 18 laborer MO > Lucinda 16 MO > Francis Ann 14 (f) MO > Dorrcus 12 MO > Elizabeth 10 MO > Andrew 2 MO > > > Osage twp. > Pg. 251 Next household > James Birdsong 30 farmer KY > Mary 24 KY > Louisa 9 MO > Sarah 8 MO > Winneford 1 MO > George Beaty 28 laborer KY > (Birdsong, James - Beatty, Mary-Dec 1, 1844-Morgan) > ------------------------------------------ > 1860 Moniteau co., MO pg. 770 twp. 45 Rg. 15 > Jane Baty 63 -40 VA > Elizabeth 20 MO > A. W. 12 (m) MO > > pg. 783 twp. 45 rg. 14 > Robert Baty 28 farmer 50 MO > Louisa J. 26 MO > Frances E. 10 (f) MO > J. H. 5 (m) MO > A. V. 2 (m) MO > Samuel Lyn 39 farm labor PA > -------------------------------------------------- > 1880-Walker, Moniteau, Missouri > Source: FHL Film 1254704 National Archives Film T9-0704 Page 478D > Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace > Jane BEATTY Self F W W 78 VA > Occ: Keeping House Fa: VA Mo: VA > Robert BEATTY Son M S W 48 MO > Occ: Farming Fa: KY Mo: VA > Louiza J. BEATTY Wife F M W 46 MO > Occ: Keeping House Fa: KY Mo: KY > Sarah S. BEATTY Dau F S W 14 MO > Fa: MO Mo: MO > Barthena H. BEATTY Dau F S W 11 MO > Fa: MO Mo: MO > W. H. L. BEATTY Son M S W 9 MO > Fa: MO Mo: MO > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marlene" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 12:57 PM > Subject: [BP2000] Teresa's L9 & Andrew Beaty > > > Hi Teresa, > > When I first read your msg.....thought that the 1830 Saline Co. MO Andrew > B. > was probably L2D -Andrew Beaty - son of Wm. and a bro. to my > gggrandfather, > Joseph R. Beaty...as Wm and his grown children came to Saline Co. before > 1830...Probably 5 sons and 4 dgts. > > I've had the census records in my files for years...but guess I never did > the simple math on ages before...No excuse for that..just too busy > searching > for all those siblings, I guess. But, I believe you are right that it is > Andrew Beaty L9 ? - sure doesn't fit the L2D Andrew. > > According to records, L2D Andrew m. Julia Ann Martin Dec. 1825 in > Lafayette > Co. MO. > he - was born abt 1800 in KY...and Juliann b. 1808 in KY. > They had ll children. male b. 1826 (in Lafayette Co) Females born 1830 , > 1832,1834, & 1837...then 2 males b. 1839 and 1841...(3 more by 1850 > census) > Inc. a son, Joseph L., b. in 1843 or '44....the time my gggrandfath. > Joseph > R. died. > Andrew and Juliann are in the 1840 Saline Co. Census and also > 1850...appear > to lived there all their lives..the BPlist put his obit in some time > ago...but don't find it now...I can't find Andrew & Juliann in anywhere in > 1830 census...might have been living with relatives. > > How or if these Beaty lines are connected , still to be determined....The > DNA tests indicate many of those tested had a common origin > (ancestor)..sometime back in time. > > Guess I would have gone on with my wrong assumption, had you not sent your > info...so Thanks, cousin. > > Marlene L2D > > When replying to a digest message, quote only the specific message to > which > you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Also, > remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the > message subject to which you are replying. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > When replying to a digest message, quote only the specific message to > which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. > Also, remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides > with the message subject to which you are replying. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

Jerry, You may have already unsubscribed by now (I think that's what you meant by "Unscrible"). You may not have realized that the discussions of DNA test results occur on GenMatch, not on BP-2000. Since it does not appear that you ever joined GenMatch, I can understand why you feel that "no one can really explain the test results of the groups in BP2000." Messages on GenMatch contain copious explanations of test results. But, all of that may be irrelevant to you. Good luck with your other research. Les Beaty, L-20

Extracts from some publications by David Dobson [Available on Ancestry.com] "Original Scots Colonists: Supplement 1607 -1707" by David Dobson, p. 12 BEATTY, ADAM, born 1684, imported from Scotland to Pennsylvania by the Trents, indentured for 8 years before the Court of Quarter Session, Chester County, Pennsylvania, 14.7.1697. [Scottish Genealogist Series, Edinburgh.29.1.12] Beattie, James, Crossdykes, a Covenanter, transported from Glasgow to the American Plantations on the Merchant of Glasgow 12.1670 [Register of the Privy Council.3.679] Beatty, John, Ayrshire, settled in Ulster County, New York, ca. 1691 [Burke's American Families, London] "Scots in the Mid-Atlantic States, 1783-1883", by David Dobson page 9 Beattie, James C., born in 1825, from Kells, Kirkcudbrightshire, died in NY on 11 Nov. 1857 [Dumfries & Galloway Courier, series:11.12.1857] Beattie, Lizzie, youngest daughter of P. C. Beattie in Edinburgh, married M. Jenkinson, in NY 3 Sept. 1870 [Scotsman, series#8470] Beattie, Nicholas Arbuthnott Dun, youngest daughter of William Beattie in Edinburgh, married William M. Gow, in NY 18 June 1869 [Scotsman, series #8088] Beattie, Walter, born in 1789, from Ruthwell, Dumfries-shire died in Iruxton, Cortland County, NY on 23 Feb. 1863 [Annandale Observer series] Laurel Baty, L252

Laurel: And yet, all whiskies in the world spell their concoction "whiskey", except for Scotch, which is spelled "Whisky". It is said, perhaps humorously, that the Scots printers were too cheap to waste a small-case "e" if they could avoid it. Jim Patrick L-048 Great-Grandson of Franklin and Cora Beatty Patrick Jennings and Jackson Counties, Indiana ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

It is very strange but very true of Scottish spelling--even in the Old Parish records available on Scotland's people the "Y" is rarely used. I was told that Scots don't like to use the "Y"--perhaps someone else has a more educated explanation! Laurel ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [BP2000] Beatties in the Covenantor Index > Laurel, > > This is fascinating. The surnames on the list from the mid 1600s are > Batie, > Beatie, Beattie, Betie, and Bettie. Why is there no Beatty, Beaty, Baty, > etc.? Is it because whoever compiled the orignal lists employed the 'ie' > ending as a matter of policy. Or, by 1650, were all the 'y's already > shipped to Northern Ireland, etc.? Inquiring minds want to know. > > Les Beaty, L-20 > > > > > When replying to a digest message, quote only the specific message to > which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. > Also, remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides > with the message subject to which you are replying. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

This entry is from David Dobson's book "Scots in the Carolinas", page 8--the entire book is available on Ancestry.com and is searchable. The only Beattie of any spelling: Beattie, Francis 22. Farmer. Dumfries-shire. Emigrated from Greenock, Renfrewshire, to Charleston, SC, on the Countess, R. Eason, in October 1774. [Public Record Office, London/ T47.12] Laurel Baty, L252

We heard a lot about the Covenantors on our recent Beattie DNA Tour to Scotland. I thought I would post this index (available on Ancestry.com) in honor of our trip. See the notes at the bottom of the message for an explanation of who the Covenantors were. --Laurel Baty, L252 Name Birth Date Birthplace Notes BATIE, Janet Abt 1655 in Mellimtaeheed, Scotland bk 23, vol 9 pg. 649 BATIE, John Abt 1655 in Kirkbanke, Scotland bk 23; vol 9 pg. 647 BATIE, John Abt 1655 in Blaikefuird, Scotland bk 23; vol 9 pg. 649 BATIE, Margaret Abt 1655 in Kettlim, Scotland bk 23; vol 9 pg. 647 BATIE, William Abt 1655 in Blaikefuird, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 649 BEATIE, Andrew Abt 1655 in Birrenlies, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 620 BEATIE, David Abt 1655 in Nether Woodhouse, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 621 BEATIE, Francis Abt 1655 in Birrenlies, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 620 BEATIE, Grizel Abt 1655 in Crawthittis, Scotland bk 23; vol 9 pg. 394 BEATIE, Helen Abt 1655 in Birrenlies, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 620, 624 BEATIE, Janet Abt 1655 in Midgbrea, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 393 BEATIE, Margaret Abt 1655 in Cragehousesteeds, Scotland bk 23; vol 9 pg. 393 BEATIE, Thomas Sir Abt 1655 Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 135 BEATIE, William Abt 1650 in Ceeresmiln, Scotland bk 23; vol 6, pg. 648; residenter in Fife BEATTIE (BEATIE), J Abt 1650 of Crosdykes, Scotland bk 23; vol 3, pg. 669, BEATTIE (BEATIE), J Abt 1650 of Crosdykes, Scotland bk 23; vol 3, pg. 669, 679 BEATTIE, Agnes Abt 1655 in Benga, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 594; (Batie, Betie, Bettie) BEATTIE, Andrew Abt 1655 in Birrenlies, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 620 BEATTIE, Bessie Abt 1655 in Birrenlies, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 620 BEATTIE, Bessie Abt 1655 Scotland bk 23; vol 9 pg. 497 BEATTIE, Blench Abt 1655 in Craigshawes, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 620 BEATTIE, David Abt 1655 in Weyshie, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 621, 624 BEATTIE, Francis Abt 1650 in Peebles, Scotland bk 23; vol 5, pg. 656 BEATTIE, Francis Abt 1655 in Locherbie, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 591 BEATTIE, George Abt 1655 in Ravencleughs, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 562 BEATTIE, George Abt 1655 in Burnhead, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 395 BEATTIE, George Abt 1655 in Benga, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 594 BEATTIE, Grizel Abt 1655 in Crauthittis, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 394 BEATTIE, Grizell Abt 1655 in Benga, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 594 BEATTIE, Helen Abt 1655 in Burnfoot, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 620 BEATTIE, Helen Abt 1655 in Wadieshill, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 485, 675 BEATTIE, Helen Abt 1655 in Caplefitt, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 393 BEATTIE, Helen Abt 1655 in Birrenlies, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 620 BEATTIE, Hugh Abt 1655 in Milnetoune, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 562 BEATTIE, Isobel Abt 1655 in Midgbrea, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 393 BEATTIE, Ja. Abt 1655 in Birrenlies, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 620 BEATTIE, James Abt 1655 in Bogue, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 564 BEATTIE, Jane Abt 1655 Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 592 BEATTIE, Janet Abt 1655 Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 594 BEATTIE, Janet Abt 1655 in Brea, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 394 BEATTIE, Janet Abt 1655 in Glenyier, Scotland bk 23; vol 9; pg. 471 BEATTIE, Janet Abt 1655 in Mellimtaeheed, Scotland bk 23 BEATTIE, Janet Abt 1655 in Benga, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 594 BEATTIE, Janet Abt 1655 in Midgbrea, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 393 BEATTIE, Janet Abt 1655 in Birrenlies, Scotland bk 23, vol 9, pg. 620 BEATTIE, Jean Abt 1655 in Torquie, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 471, 497 BEATTIE, Jean Abt 1655 in Castlehill, Scotland bk 23, vol 9; pg. 395 BEATTIE, Jean Abt 1655 in Sprinkell, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 620; servant to the Laird of Sprinkell BEATTIE, Jean Abt 1655 in Byers, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 621 BEATTIE, Jean Abt 1655 in Glenhier, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 490, 497 BEATTIE, Jean Abt 1655 of Craauthittis, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 393 BEATTIE, Jo. Abt 1655 of Sprinkell, Scotland bk 23, vol 9, pg. 620; servant to the Laird of Sprinkell BEATTIE, Jo. Abt 1655 in Woolcoates, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 596 BEATTIE, John Abt 1650 of Kirsleitts, Scotland bk 23; vol 3, pg. 185 BEATTIE, John Younger Abt 1655 in Blaikefuird, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 649 BEATTIE, John Abt 1655 in Kirkbanke, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 647 BEATTIE, John Abt 1655 in Ginglenwalls, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 471, 490, 496 BEATTIE, John Abt 1655 in Dorkun, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 673 BEATTIE, John Abt 1655 in Blaikefuird, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 649 BEATTIE, John Abt 1655 in Torquhie, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 471, 490, 497 BEATTIE, John Younger Abt 1655 in Benga, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 594 BEATTIE, John Abt 1655 of Crauthittis, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 394 BEATTIE, John Abt 1655 in Ragartsyk, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 629 BEATTIE, Margaret Abt 1655 in Locherbie, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 591 BEATTIE, Margaret Abt 1655 in Burnfitt, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 393 BEATTIE, Margaret Abt 1655 in Kettlim, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 647 BEATTIE, Margaret Abt 1655 in Crosdailes, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 597 BEATTIE, Marion Abt 1655 Wales bk23; vol 9, pg. 401 BEATTIE, Marion Abt 1655 in Denholme, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 471, 490, 496 BEATTIE, Rose Abt 1655 in Byers, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 621 BEATTIE, Sarah Abt 1655 in Turnmoor, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 593 BEATTIE, Simon Abt 1635 in Midgbrea, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 393 BEATTIE, Simon Abt 1655 in Midgbrea, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 393(2) BEATTIE, Susanne Abt 1655 in Castlemilktoun, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 649 BEATTIE, Thomas Abt 1655 in Castlehill, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 395 BEATTIE, Thomas Abt 1655 in Benga, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 594 BEATTIE, Walter Abt 1650 of Kirsleitts, Scotland bk 23; vol 3, pg. 185 BEATTIE, Walter Abt 1655 in Blaikefuird, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 649 BEATTIE, Will Abt 1655 in Hairgils, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 596 BEATTIE, William Abt 1655 in Benga, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 594(2) BEATTIE, William Abt 1655 in Blackshow, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 267 BEATTIE, William Abt 1655 in Midgbrea, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 393 BEATTIE, William Abt 1655 in Blaikefuird, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 649 BEATTIE, William Abt 1655 in New Orchard, Scotland bk 23; vol 9, pg. 595 BETIE, Agnes Abt 1655 in Benga, Scotland bk 23 vol 9, pg. 594(2) BETIE, James Abt 1655 Scotland bk 23 vol 9 pg. 594 BETIE, Jane Abt 1655 in Benga, Scotland bk 23 vol 9 pg. 593 BETIE, Janet Abt 1655 in Benga, Scotland bk 23 vol 9, pg. 594 BETIE, Janet Abt 1655 Scotland bk 23 vol 9 pg. 594 BETIE, Margaret Abt 1655 in Lockerbie, Scotland bk 23 vol 9 pg. 591 BETIE, Sarah Abt 1655 in Turnmoor, Scotland bk 23 vol 9 pg. 593 BETIE, Thomas Abt 1655 in Benga, Scotland bk 23 vol 9 pg. 594 BETIE, William Abt 1655 in Benga, Scotland bk 23 vol 9, pg. 594 BETTIE, Janet Abt 1690 Kilpatrick Juxta, Scotland bk 20, pg. 36 BETTIE, Janet Abt 1655 in Benga, Scotland bk 23 vol 9, pg. 594 BETTIE, John Abt 1655 in Benga, Scotland bk 23 vol 9, pg. 594 BETTIE, Margaret Abt 1655 in Crosdailes, Scotland bk 23 vol 9, pg. 597 Source Information: Drown, Isabelle McLean, comp.. Scottish Covenanters Index [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2003. Original data: See bibliography listed in Description. Description: About Scottish Covenanters Index In the 17th century conflict arose between Church and State in Scotland. Those who remained steadfast in their Presbyterian beliefs and refused to take an oath to the king saying that he was the head of the church became known as Covenanters. They believed that Christ was the head of the church and were punished for this belief. Many were forced to pay the ultimate price for this by laying down their lives. The Royalists and Dragoons, who were seeking their lives, chased the Covenanters from glen to glen, especially in the Lowlands. If anyone was found hiding them, they suffered imprisonment and/or death as well. This punishment was not just reserved for the strong and healthy -- children and the elderly were subjected to the cruelty as well. This database is an index, compiled by Isabelle Drown, to the Covenanters whose names are found in books recording their history between 1660 and 1690. The index provides the Covenanter's name, a birth or christening date, a birth or christening place, and a reference to the passage in which information on the individual is found. This reference includes book, volume, and page numbers. The book number indicates which book in the bibliography (listed below) the information was taken from. Two of the largest repositories of Covenanter books are Vancouver School of Theology in Vancouver, British Columbia, and University of Guelph in Guelph, Ontario. These are not the only repositories in which Covenanter books may be found though. Please check with your local libraries and use interlibrary loan if they are not locally available to you. A glossary of Celtic place names and explanations of certain words and phrases used in the index are available from Isabelle. Questions and comments about this index may be e-mailed to Isabelle at the following address: [email protected] . COVENANTER INDEX BIBLIOGRAPHY 1) THE MARTYR GRAVES OF SCOTLAND By J. H. Thomson Published by Oliphant, Anderson & Ferrier. Edinburgh & London 2) MEN OF THE COVENANT By Alexander Smellie Published by London: Andrew Melrose, 1911 3) SCOTS WORTHIES By John Howie of Lochguin Published by McGregor, Pulson & Company MDCCCXLVI 4) LADIES OF THE COVENANT, MEMOIRS By Rev. James Anderson 5) LIVES OF THE SCOTTISH COVENANTERS By W.R. McPhun Published by Glasgow and London: 1862 6) SONS OF ADAM 7) MARTYRS, HEROES AND BARDS OF THE SCOTTISH CONVENANT By George Gilfillan Publishers - Albert Cockshaw, 41 Ludgate Hill, 1853 8) A REGIMENTAL HISTORY OF THE COVENANTING ARMIES Family History Library, Salt Lake City 9) THE MAKERS OF THE KIRK By Barnett 10) THE SCOTS PEERAGE - A HISTORY OF THE NOBLE FAMILIES OF SCOTLAND; VOLUME I Published by T & A Constable London - Simkin, Marshall, Hamilton, Kent & Co. Limited. Cambridge - MacMillan & Bowes Glasgow - James MacLenose & Sons 11) COVENANTERS FROM SCOTLAND TO NEW JERSEY BETWEEN 1683 - 1685 - ship passenger list for the Henry and Francis 12) A CLOUD OF WITNESSES Illustrated editon by The Rev. John H. Thomson Published - Johnstone, Hunter and Company - 1871 U.B.C. call number BX9082 C6 13) THE COVENANTERS OF AYRSHIRE: Historical and Biographical By Rev. R. Lawson Published by J. and R. Parlane, Paisley - 1887 14) FAIR SUNSHINE By Jock Purves Published by The Banner of Truth Trust - 1968 (The material in this volume consists of two works: Sweet Believing - 1948 and Fair Sunshine - 1957) 15) FATHERS OF THE KIRK By Ronald Selby Wright Oxford University Press, 1960 Edited by Wright Manse of the Cannnongate, Edinburgh U.B.C. call number BX9099 F38 16) MAKERS OF THE SCOTTISH CHURCH AT THE REFORM'TION By Kirkwood Hewat Published by - McNiven and Wallace - 1920 17) LIGHT OF THE NORTH By Jay D. Douglas Published : William B Eerdmans - 1964 18) SCOTTISH COVENANTERS - bibliography only By James Taylor Published - Hodder and Stoughton MDCCCXCIV 19) MINUTE BOOK KEPT BY THE WAR COMMITTEE OF THE COVENANTERS IN THE STEWARTRY OF KIRKCUDBRIGHT IN THE YEARS 1640 AND 1641 Published - F. Nicholson MDCCCIV Family History Library, LDS Church 20) REGISTER OF THE REVERAND JOHN MACMILLAN Published - 1706 - 1751 (This is available on film at the Family History Library, LDS Church) 21) THE COVENANTERS By David Stevenson - The Covenanters: The National Covenant And Scotland 1988 - Koerner Library - U.B.C. call number BX9081 578 22) THE SCOTTISH COVENANTERS 1660 - 88 By Ian B. Cowan, 1976 U.B.C. - Koerner Library call number BX 9081 C68 23) REGISTER OF THE PRIVY COUNCIL OF SCOTLAND Volumes for the years1661 - 1689 U.B.C. National Library of Scotland, Edinburgh 24) THE COVENANTERS By James King Hewison Published Glasgow: John Smith and Son - 2 volumes, 1908 U.B.C. - Koerner Library call number BX 9081 145

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It appears to me that 115 people spend 100-150 dollars to do the DNA TEST but no one can really explain the test results of the groups in BP2000. I think before we agree about Andrew Beaty in Saline Co. Mo. WE should do our homework if anyone has study and done the census records in Missouri they would not agree abt who waa in Saline Co,. Mo in 1830. and who was on the 1830 Census............... Be nagative and you get nowhere / Be POSITIVE and you get everything.............. I will Unscrible to BP20000 . I will accept my GGGG grandmother Margaret Beaty and her parents and end my Beaty research. Having taken myStansberry grandparents Bible in the early 1970 and seeing the name Swaim, Garrett Stansberry it send me on a great jounery of Family reseach which I have enjoyed so much and the Brick Wall have always came down When I though there was no way to every find the parents of my ggg grandmother Harriett Swain I WAS SEND A PICTURE OF HER FATHER from a Stansberry cousin and that traced her family back to the 1700. So Positive Works and the other you get no where...................................................I NOW HAVE 40000 DESCENDANTS IN MY Family TREE AND THAT WAS POSSIBLE BECAUSE OF HARD WORK TIME AND MONEY IT Ihas been SO GREAT............ But, It is NOW time to leave BP2000. AND DO OTHER RESEARCH.......... The Best to all Jerry W. Scott Jerry W. Scott

Laurel, This is fascinating. The surnames on the list from the mid 1600s are Batie, Beatie, Beattie, Betie, and Bettie. Why is there no Beatty, Beaty, Baty, etc.? Is it because whoever compiled the orignal lists employed the 'ie' ending as a matter of policy. Or, by 1650, were all the 'y's already shipped to Northern Ireland, etc.? Inquiring minds want to know. Les Beaty, L-20

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In a message dated 7/24/2007 4:46:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: >From "Directory of Scotts Banished to the American Plantations, 1650 -1775" available on Ancestry.com Only Beatties of any spelling: Beattie, James, Edinburgh, thief. Transported on the "Merchant of Glasgow" to the plantations Dec. 1670 Beatty, Francis, Jacobite captured at Preston. Transported on the "Elizabeth & Anne" master Edward Trafford from Liverpool to Virginia or Jamaica, 29 June 1716. Landed in Virginia-unindentured. Laurel Baty, L252 Do you have names other than Beattie who were banished during the earlier part of the book/record? Moody and Clarke for instance in the mid 1600s. Thanks. Don Beattie ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

In a message dated 7/24/2007 4:46:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: >From "Directory of Scotts Banished to the American Plantations, 1650 -1775" available on Ancestry.com Only Beatties of any spelling: Beattie, James, Edinburgh, thief. Transported on the "Merchant of Glasgow" to the plantations Dec. 1670 Beatty, Francis, Jacobite captured at Preston. Transported on the "Elizabeth & Anne" master Edward Trafford from Liverpool to Virginia or Jamaica, 29 June 1716. Landed in Virginia-unindentured. Laurel Baty, L252 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

>From "Directory of Scotts Banished to the American Plantations, 1650 -1775" available on Ancestry.com Only Beatties of any spelling: Beattie, James, Edinburgh, thief. Transported on the "Merchant of Glasgow" to the plantations Dec. 1670 Beatty, Francis, Jacobite captured at Preston. Transported on the "Elizabeth & Anne" master Edward Trafford from Liverpool to Virginia or Jamaica, 29 June 1716. Landed in Virginia-unindentured. Laurel Baty, L252

Hi Teresa, When I first read your msg.....thought that the 1830 Saline Co. MO Andrew B. was probably L2D -Andrew Beaty - son of Wm. and a bro. to my gggrandfather, Joseph R. Beaty...as Wm and his grown children came to Saline Co. before 1830...Probably 5 sons and 4 dgts. I've had the census records in my files for years...but guess I never did the simple math on ages before...No excuse for that..just too busy searching for all those siblings, I guess. But, I believe you are right that it is Andrew Beaty L9 ? - sure doesn't fit the L2D Andrew. According to records, L2D Andrew m. Julia Ann Martin Dec. 1825 in Lafayette Co. MO. he - was born abt 1800 in KY...and Juliann b. 1808 in KY. They had ll children. male b. 1826 (in Lafayette Co) Females born 1830 , 1832,1834, & 1837...then 2 males b. 1839 and 1841...(3 more by 1850 census) Inc. a son, Joseph L., b. in 1843 or '44....the time my gggrandfath. Joseph R. died. Andrew and Juliann are in the 1840 Saline Co. Census and also 1850...appear to lived there all their lives..the BPlist put his obit in some time ago...but don't find it now...I can't find Andrew & Juliann in anywhere in 1830 census...might have been living with relatives. How or if these Beaty lines are connected , still to be determined....The DNA tests indicate many of those tested had a common origin (ancestor)..sometime back in time. Guess I would have gone on with my wrong assumption, had you not sent your info...so Thanks, cousin. Marlene L2D

Are you certain. I thought this was L-9. 1830 Montgomery co., MO pg. 213 Upper Loutre Andrew Beaty: 1 m und 5, 1 m 5-10, 1 m 30-40, 2 f und 5, 2 f 5-10, 1 f 20-30 3 households later James Beaty: 1 m und 5, 1 m 5-10, 1 m 40-50, 2 f und 5, 1 f 5-10, 2 f 10-15, 1 f 30-40 Next family (L-9 Elizabeth Harriet Beaty wife of Joseph Conley) Joseph Conley: 2 m und 5, 1 m 30-40, 1 f 20-30 pg. 214 (first family Joseph Beaty: 1 m und 5, 1 m 40-50, 1 f und 5, 2 f 5-10, 1 f 30-40 ------------------------------------------------------------ 1840 Cooper co., MO Unknown pg. 126 Andrew Beatty: 1 m 5-10, 1 m 10-15, 1 m 15-20, 1 m 40-50, 3 f und 5, 1 f 5-10, 2 f 10-15, 2 f 15-20, 1 f 30-40, 1850 Morgan co., MO Osage twp. Pg. 250-251 James Beaty 20 farmer 300 MO Elizabeth 20 MO Martha 6/12 MO Mary Lisle 38 MO Catherine 15 MO Osage twp. Pg. 251 Andrew Beaty 54 farmer 100 KY Jane 47 VA James 20 laborer MO Robert 18 laborer MO Lucinda 16 MO Francis Ann 14 (f) MO Dorrcus 12 MO Elizabeth 10 MO Andrew 2 MO Osage twp. Pg. 251 Next household James Birdsong 30 farmer KY Mary 24 KY Louisa 9 MO Sarah 8 MO Winneford 1 MO George Beaty 28 laborer KY (Birdsong, James - Beatty, Mary-Dec 1, 1844-Morgan) ------------------------------------------ 1860 Moniteau co., MO pg. 770 twp. 45 Rg. 15 Jane Baty 63 -40 VA Elizabeth 20 MO A. W. 12 (m) MO pg. 783 twp. 45 rg. 14 Robert Baty 28 farmer 50 MO Louisa J. 26 MO Frances E. 10 (f) MO J. H. 5 (m) MO A. V. 2 (m) MO Samuel Lyn 39 farm labor PA -------------------------------------------------- 1880-Walker, Moniteau, Missouri Source: FHL Film 1254704 National Archives Film T9-0704 Page 478D Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Jane BEATTY Self F W W 78 VA Occ: Keeping House Fa: VA Mo: VA Robert BEATTY Son M S W 48 MO Occ: Farming Fa: KY Mo: VA Louiza J. BEATTY Wife F M W 46 MO Occ: Keeping House Fa: KY Mo: KY Sarah S. BEATTY Dau F S W 14 MO Fa: MO Mo: MO Barthena H. BEATTY Dau F S W 11 MO Fa: MO Mo: MO W. H. L. BEATTY Son M S W 9 MO Fa: MO Mo: MO --------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marlene" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 12:57 PM Subject: [BP2000] Teresa's L9 & Andrew Beaty Hi Teresa, When I first read your msg.....thought that the 1830 Saline Co. MO Andrew B. was probably L2D -Andrew Beaty - son of Wm. and a bro. to my gggrandfather, Joseph R. Beaty...as Wm and his grown children came to Saline Co. before 1830...Probably 5 sons and 4 dgts. I've had the census records in my files for years...but guess I never did the simple math on ages before...No excuse for that..just too busy searching for all those siblings, I guess. But, I believe you are right that it is Andrew Beaty L9 ? - sure doesn't fit the L2D Andrew. According to records, L2D Andrew m. Julia Ann Martin Dec. 1825 in Lafayette Co. MO. he - was born abt 1800 in KY...and Juliann b. 1808 in KY. They had ll children. male b. 1826 (in Lafayette Co) Females born 1830 , 1832,1834, & 1837...then 2 males b. 1839 and 1841...(3 more by 1850 census) Inc. a son, Joseph L., b. in 1843 or '44....the time my gggrandfath. Joseph R. died. Andrew and Juliann are in the 1840 Saline Co. Census and also 1850...appear to lived there all their lives..the BPlist put his obit in some time ago...but don't find it now...I can't find Andrew & Juliann in anywhere in 1830 census...might have been living with relatives. How or if these Beaty lines are connected , still to be determined....The DNA tests indicate many of those tested had a common origin (ancestor)..sometime back in time. Guess I would have gone on with my wrong assumption, had you not sent your info...so Thanks, cousin. Marlene L2D When replying to a digest message, quote only the specific message to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Also, remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry to be so slow about responding. I have been busy with other things. I wrote up a full analysis for Genmatch when we last received data. I need to start off by noting that I know next to nothing about L-2 genealogy. I have not looked at the records, and can only pass on what people tell me. The division of L-2 into 6 groups with letters is something which others have done. Of 15 members of L-2 who have been tested, 4 are not even in the R1b haplogroup, and good progress has been made in identifying when the NPE occurred for Family Group H. The other 11 are definitely in Group A, descendants of Adam. They, along with our representatives of L-1 and L-3 are also descendants of Charlton. That makes them genetically close and it will be difficult to use genetic testing to determine the fine details. We have two testees from L-3 and they are identical with two mutations which distinguish them from other descendants of Charlton. We don't know when these mutations occurred and they may not be representive of all of L-3. The one representative of L-1 has a mutation at DYS444 which distinguishes it from both L-2 and L-3. It is not a good idea to base important conclusions on the presence or absence of any single mutation. The concern is that the change might be very recent and not representative of a large group. Another concern is conclusions based on things happening at the two CDY markers. The best information now is that a mutation occurs at one of these at a rate of once in 28 generations. That is often enough to worry that any ancestral line might have two mutations, possibly in opposite directions. I think it prudent to examine how the ancestry is looking with those two ignored, then see how their presence modifies the conclusion. Even if one doesn't totally believe them, they can be good guides to where to look next. I recommend that the L-2 people pool their wisdom and create a descendancy chart for Charlton. I suggest taking Table IIc and deleting all the records except L-1, L-2, and L-3, and seeing what can be concluded about how that data fits into the chart. If that turns out to look reasonable it would be interesting to add in the rest of the Charlton Group. I think I wrote up for Genmatch an outline of how this chart would go. The genealogical information available to me suggests that Charlton probably lived in Ireland. L-2 probably had a common ancestor more recent than Charlton. --Earl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie R. Beaty" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: "Earl Beaty" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [BP2000] DNA TESTING > Jerry and Marlene, > > I would like to hear Earl Beaty's comments on the possible relationship > between L1, L3, L2B, L2D, and L2F. I would like to also include L2E David > Beaty, who has a descendant who has been tested to 37 markers, and I thought > was going to be upgraded to 67 markers, but haven't seen any results yet. > This L2E donor, ID56 is an exact match with L2F ID55, who is my brother. > > I'm going to copy Earl on this and hope to encourage him to get in on our > musings with his more experienced input. > > Paper trail-wise, we have not been able to find any connection of any L2 > subgroup with L1 or L3, but DNA seems to indicate a connection. > > Willie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JERRY SCOTT" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 3:35 PM > Subject: [BP2000] DNA TESTING > > > > Marlene and Willie, I ask my cousin Jerry Baker to look at ID 31 and > > this is his email and > > wanted to share this with the group. > > > > Jerry Scott > > L2D > > > > Jerry S., > > > > I have reviewed Tables I, II, III, & IV for the Beatty/Beaty DNA Project > > relative to ID #31 and L2B, L2D, & L2F. Looks like there are 115 Beaty > > testers. > > > > Table I > > I could not tell much from looking at Table I but it did have a link to > > some information on the lineages for L2B, L2D, & L2F. Your Beaty must be > > represented in L2D, since you are listed as a contact for that lineage and > > it includes a bunch of Scott names. > > > > Table II (Group A is R1b1c) > > Your questions relate to Group A. It appears that three tester IDs 19, > > 65, & 75 are listed for 2B; only ID 31 for 2D and only 55 for 2F. ID 75 > > only has 25 markers. As obvious from the tables, Lineage 2B is 4 markers > > off from the standard with 2 of them being fast moving markers. Lineage > > 2F is 3 markers off from the standard with 2 of them being fast moving > > markers. > > > > Table III > > This table is interesting, but does not tell you much. It shows how much > > each of the Groups varies from the other groups. The closest potential > > connection between the various groups is Group A (R1b1c) and Group P (ID > > 68 - R1b - Line 379) which has 5 markers off from each other (two of which > > are fast moving markers). It is listed in the Table as 4 markers off, > > probably because 2 of the 5 differences are fast moving markers. Group P > > has only 25 markers completed. > > > > Table IV > > It appears that Table IV has an error. Table IV lists ID 31 line as 2C > > while Tables I & II list ID 31 line as 2D. I believe the 2C is in error > > and should read 2D, since your Beatys are represented in Lineage 2D. > > IDs 19 (2B), 31 (2D), & 55 (2F) each have 67 markers. ID 65 has 37 > > markers and ID 75 has 25 markers. > > > > Two new marker differences from the R1b standard show up at markers 51 & > > 60 for IDs 31 (2D) , 55 (2F) , & 19 (2B), but all three IDs have these > > differences, thus all three IDs show no differences in markers 38 thru 67 > > when compared to the R1b standard and the Adam (Group A) standard. > > > > Conclusions: > > > > I would guess that ID numbers 19, 31, & 55 have very high percentages for > > their common most distant ancestors being in a recent period of time. I > > would recommending asking IDs 65 & 75 to expand their tests to 67 markers > > to add to the data baseline. > > > > Also, I would recommend asking ID #68 (Group P - Lineage 379) to expand > > from 25 markers to 67 markers and would research lineage 379 for a > > connection (unless I am missing something about this close 4 markers off > > comparison). > > > > > > > > I am only an amateur at DNA. If you have a specific question I might be > > able to help get the answer by asking others, but I do not know very much > > about DNA on my own. > > > > Jerry Baker > > > > When replying to a digest message, quote only the specific message to > > which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. > > Also, remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides > > with the message subject to which you are replying. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Can anyone explain to me why this land would be included in this book (Augusta co., VA). I know I am not understanding something. This is the father of L-103 Benjamin. According to L-78 the Walter of the will below is the father of Samuel. Could there be a reason Walter did not name his 7 yr old grandson, Benj. but just 3 granddau's? There is no doubt Samuel is the father of Benj. but just uncertain if Walter is the father of Samuel and why PA land would be included in VA land records. Could it just be a place of residence for Samuel? Donna L-3 Beaty, Samuel Date : May 25, 1771 Location : York Co., PA Record Type : Land Record ID : 34196 Description : Grantee Book-Page : 17-270 Remarks : £90. Property patented to grantor here, 12 May 1759. Delivered. This land record was originally published in "Chronicles of the Scotch-Irish Settlement in Virginia, 1745-1800. Extracted from the Original Court Records of Augusta County" by Lyman Chalkley Virginia Land, Marriage and Probate Records ------------------- History of Adams co., PA 1886 pg. 331 December 1798-January 1799 Assessment of Reading twp.(York co., PA and became Adams co., PA in 1800) A tax of 27 cents per $100 was collected by Christian Bushey and John Picking. The single men of the township denoted by letters S. M., were taxed $1 each. Benjamin Beatty 2,516 William Beatty 51 Samuel Beatty S. M. John Beatty 15 ------------------------------ York County, Pennsylvania Wills, 1749-1819 Book Page: Surname: Bety Given Name: Samuel Title: Description: Decedent Residence: Reading Township Date: 6 Apr 1795 - 1 Jan 1796 Prove Date: 1 Jan 1796 Remarks: Samuel Bety. Apr 6, 1795. Executors: Benjamin Bety and John Polk. Reading Township. Wife: Mary Bety. Children: Benjamin, William, Samuel, John, Jane, Elizabeth wife of George Smith, Susanna wife of Marmyduke Wilson, Esther wife of John Polk, Rachel wife of David Polk, Lilly wife of Ludwick Franks, Margaret wife of Thomas McFarland, and Sarah wife of William Laughlin. July 31, 1765 September 19, 1765 Wilson, William. Executors: Samuel and Walter Beaty. Reading Township. Wife: Susanna Wilson. Children: William, Elizabeth, Jean and (son-in-law) Robert Laughlin (wife's name not given). Grandchildren: Jean and Samuel Laughlin Adams? co., PA Wills????(should be York) Abstracts of Adams County, Pennsylvania Wills (1745-1800) by Randy J. Miller, publ. by Adams Co. Hist. Society 1994: #31 Walter Beaty B Reading Twp. A-65 Will written March 7, 1752, proven November 3, 1752. Sons-Samuel, William Daughters- Mary w/o William Lindsay, Esther w/o John McCay, Grandson-Henry McCay Granddaughters-Mary (by William), Martha (by Samuel), Witness-Thomas Mason, William Wilson, John Jamison Executor-Sons, William Lindsay. York co., PA Wills BETTY, Walter. Reign Township. March 7, 1752 November 3, 1752 Executors: William Betty, Samuel Betty and William Lindsey. Children: Samuel, William, Esther m. ---- McCoy, and Mary m. ---- Lindsey.