________________________________ From: Lauren Boyd McLachlan [confido@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 2:23 PM To: Fluharty, Claire Subject: Re: Uncaught bounce notification Your post bounced as it was addressed to boyd-bounces@rootsweb.com<mailto:boyd-bounces@rootsweb.com> instead of the list address boyd@rootsweb.com<mailto:boyd@rootsweb.com> Please re-post to boyd@rootsweb.com<mailto:boyd@rootsweb.com> Yours Aye, Lauren Boyd List Admin On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 11:33 AM, <mailman-bounces@rootsweb.com<mailto:mailman-bounces@rootsweb.com>> wrote: The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce format was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted from it. This mailing list has been configured to send all unrecognized bounce messages to the list administrator(s). For more information see: http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/admin/boyd/bounce ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Fluharty, Claire" <cfluharty@mednet.ucla.edu<mailto:cfluharty@mednet.ucla.edu>> To: Nancy Neuman <neuman.nancy@gmail.com<mailto:neuman.nancy@gmail.com>>, "boyd-bounces@rootsweb.com<mailto:boyd-bounces@rootsweb.com>" <boyd-bounces@rootsweb.com<mailto:boyd-bounces@rootsweb.com>> Date: Mon, 30 May 2011 11:33:22 -0700 Subject: RE: [BOYD] John and Mary Boyd of Boyd's Choice Colin & Nancy, I can't help getting into this discussion. Yes, the Pilgrims (and associated groups) came to the New World in New England for religious freedom. Also, those coming into Virginia early and later to other colonies on the southern part of the Eastern Seaboard came more for an opportunity to have a better life. Of course, both groups have overlapping ideals for their new living style. But the Puritans were much more fixated on the religious freedom, and later settlers in the Appalachia etc were more interested in having a place to live and work. So, most protestants in the southern areas were happy to go to any church that resembled the Congregation/Presbyterian/Methodist etc. Even as late as the 1920s my family just chose whatever was around. Most denominations did not have churches in every little town. But, the movement west from New England had largely Congregational for some time, and it was stronger there than anywhere else. Most immigrants didn't go to the Church of England except in the very early days and then only in the states not committed to "religious freedom" such as the mid-Atlantic and Southern states. That's my opinion from reading about this for ages and from having ancestors in both groups. Claire Boyd Fluharty ________________________________________ From: boyd-bounces@rootsweb.com<mailto:boyd-bounces@rootsweb.com> [boyd-bounces@rootsweb.com<mailto:boyd-bounces@rootsweb.com>] On Behalf Of Nancy Neuman [neuman.nancy@gmail.com<mailto:neuman.nancy@gmail.com>] Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 11:18 AM To: BrooksGen4@aol.com<mailto:BrooksGen4@aol.com>; mikejboyd@bigpond.com<mailto:mikejboyd@bigpond.com>; BOYD-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:BOYD-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BOYD] John and Mary Boyd of Boyd's Choice Colin: I am confused. There were non-Anglicans in England, many of whom came to America for religious freedom. The term nonconformist has been used to distinguish them as non-Anglican. My New England ancestors were puritans who came to America from England in the early 1600s. Theirs became the Congregational Church. And there were Presbyterians as early as the 1630s in America (history.pcusa.org<http://history.pcusa.org>). Nancy Neuman -----Original Message----- From: boyd-bounces@rootsweb.com<mailto:boyd-bounces@rootsweb.com> [mailto:boyd-bounces@rootsweb.com<mailto:boyd-bounces@rootsweb.com>] On Behalf Of BrooksGen4@aol.com<mailto:BrooksGen4@aol.com> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 11:58 AM To: mikejboyd@bigpond.com<mailto:mikejboyd@bigpond.com>; BOYD-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:BOYD-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BOYD] John and Mary Boyd of Boyd's Choice Mike, Cant understand why you think they married in a Maryland. It clearly says "He tehn married Mary ------ and in 1670 came to Maryland." So he married in England and came to Maryland. Secondly, your making assumptions about the religion again based on English standards. IF he actually lived in England, then obviously the Anglican church was practically the sole option. However, when he came to America, he only had two- Catholic and Anglican. Presbyterian ministries, much less churchs, didn't even exist in America at this time. So where else was he gonna get married, get children baptized etc.? In the 1600's and 1700's in America, Scotch-Irish made their "church" choice based on only two factors. Where they lived and what churches where available where they lived. You could say a man was Quaker if he lived in Philadelphia and attended a Quaker church. You can NOT say the same thing about the same man if he lived in Chambersburg at the exact same time. There were NO Quaker establishments in that area. He went to the nearest church that had a theology as close to his own personal beliefs as possible. And this lasted for almost 200 years or more in America. Case in point- my Daniel Boyd was an elder of the Londonderry, NH Presbyterian church in 1860s. When he pioneered to Ocheyedan, Iowa he became an Elder in the 1st Methodist church of Ocheyedan. So which was he? If you read his scripture writings to his children he was clearly Presbyterian in theology BUT he had no other choice, and attending the "assembly of believers" is a Biblical mandate. So he not only went to that church, he became a leader in that church. In the early part of our countries religious history, you can define a man clearly as one-sided only when it comes to the "Catholic or not?" question. Almost all other religions are protestant and "appropriate" places to attend when you desperately want to be with a body of believers. My two cents, Colin Brooks The 1718 Project In a message dated 5/30/2011 1:42:35 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mikejboyd@bigpond.com<mailto:mikejboyd@bigpond.com> writes: According to the book Eldred E. Brown, His American Ancestors Descendants and siblings and Thirty-Tow allied Families, Edwin H. Brown, 1985, page 18, it says:- "John Boyd (1-1) was born in England in 1620. From the age of ten until he was forty, he was a sailor. He tehn married Mary ------ and in 1670 came to Maryland. In 1684 he settled on sixthy acres known as Boyd's Choice, which he patented from the Proprietary Government. This land was located on the Seven River, above Annapolis, in Anne Arundel County. In 1694 he removed to an estate of one thousand acres, just above the tidewater of the Patuxent River. This tract of land was granted to John Boyd by Charles, Third Lord Baltimore, on 16 September 1703, and was called Amphill Grange. This land was located in the new county of Prince George's, nine miles north of the county seat of Upper Marlboro. He operated the plantion, and an inn, at the old Queen Annie's Town nearby. John Boyd was a prominent man. He served on the Grand Jury, and is mentioned several times in the published Court records. John and Mary Boyd had six children: message ______________________________________ House of Boyd Society's (HBS) Annual General Meeting (AGM) & Gathering of the Clan 2012 will be held in Woodland,CA, USA in conjunction with the Sacramento Caledonian Club's 136th annual Sacramento Valley Scottish Games & Festival in April 2012 (unofficial date April 28th and 29th -- to be confirmed by the venue). Write AGM@clanboyd.org<mailto:AGM@clanboyd.org> if you would be interested in helping to plan it. ____________________________________________________ House of Boyd Society's (HBS) Annual General Meeting (AGM) & Gathering of the Clan 2011 was a great success in Las Vegas, Nevada, USA in conjunction with The Highland Games and Celtic Gathering April 16-17, 2011. _______________________________________ Support the Fellowship Activities of the Clan. Join the House of Boyd Society! http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/BOYD/2008-06/1212428046 ______________________________________ House of Boyd Society sends HUGE thank you to all of our volunteers. The Society would not be what it is without you! ______________________________________ Want to contribute an article or query to the Dean Road? Contact Kevin McLachlan, Editor at Editor@clanboyd.org<mailto:Editor@clanboyd.org> ==================== Visit the House of Boyd Society Website http://www.clanboyd.org ==================== For Officers and other Contacts, see http://www.clanboyd.org/officers.shtml ==================== Most replies should go to the list, not just the author of the post. Make sure to include the list address Boyd@rootsweb.com<mailto:Boyd@rootsweb.com> ==================== Need to contact the Admin? Write me off list at Boyd-admin@rootsweb.com<mailto:Boyd-admin@rootsweb.com> ==================== Can't recall what the beginning of a thread was? Subscribe mid-discussion? Visit the PUBLICLY VIEWABLE archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=boyd ==================== Got an issue that is beyond the purview of this list? Write the Help Desk for assistance http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/ Honor your fellow subscribers -- follow the Golden Rule! **************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOYD-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:BOYD-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com> Version: 10.0.1375 / Virus Database: 1509/3667 - Release Date: 05/29/11 ______________________________________ House of Boyd Society's (HBS) Annual General Meeting (AGM) & Gathering of the Clan 2012 will be held in Woodland,CA, USA in conjunction with the Sacramento Caledonian Club's 136th annual Sacramento Valley Scottish Games & Festival in April 2012 (unofficial date April 28th and 29th -- to be confirmed by the venue). Write AGM@clanboyd.org<mailto:AGM@clanboyd.org> if you would be interested in helping to plan it. ____________________________________________________ House of Boyd Society's (HBS) Annual General Meeting (AGM) & Gathering of the Clan 2011 was a great success in Las Vegas, Nevada, USA in conjunction with The Highland Games and Celtic Gathering April 16-17, 2011. _______________________________________ Support the Fellowship Activities of the Clan. Join the House of Boyd Society! http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/BOYD/2008-06/1212428046 ______________________________________ House of Boyd Society sends HUGE thank you to all of our volunteers. The Society would not be what it is without you! ______________________________________ Want to contribute an article or query to the Dean Road? Contact Kevin McLachlan, Editor at Editor@clanboyd.org<mailto:Editor@clanboyd.org> ==================== Visit the House of Boyd Society Website http://www.clanboyd.org ==================== For Officers and other Contacts, see http://www.clanboyd.org/officers.shtml ==================== Most replies should go to the list, not just the author of the post. Make sure to include the list address Boyd@rootsweb.com<mailto:Boyd@rootsweb.com> ==================== Need to contact the Admin? Write me off list at Boyd-admin@rootsweb.com<mailto:Boyd-admin@rootsweb.com> ==================== Can't recall what the beginning of a thread was? Subscribe mid-discussion? Visit the PUBLICLY VIEWABLE archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=boyd ==================== Got an issue that is beyond the purview of this list? Write the Help Desk for assistance http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/ Honor your fellow subscribers -- follow the Golden Rule! **************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BOYD-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:BOYD-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message IMPORTANT WARNING: This email (and any attachments) is only intended for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. You, the recipient, are obligated to maintain it in a safe, secure and confidential manner. Unauthorized redisclosure or failure to maintain confidentiality may subject you to federal and state penalties. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately notify us by return email, and delete this message from your computer. ________________________________ IMPORTANT WARNING: This email (and any attachments) is only intended for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. You, the recipient, are obligated to maintain it in a safe, secure and confidential manner. Unauthorized redisclosure or failure to maintain confidentiality may subject you to federal and state penalties. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately notify us by return email, and delete this message from your computer.