CB10190.doc 26 Blackhorse Drive Kuraby QLD 4112 Brisbane Australia 30 January 2011 Dear Jim It is always the case. You can't find something so ask the whole list. I have just finished my lunch and was picking up some papers to sort when I found the list of people who meet at Betsy Johnson's in Fort Worth. It was good to meet you in Fort Worth. If I do not write this reply down as a letter I will quickly forget what I have told you. One of my roles as Chairman of the Historical Committee of the House of Boyd Society is to try to find Boyd families where ever they are in the World and include them in Clan Boyd of Scotland. This is an effort to build a Clan Boyd Pyramid of its descendants from pre 1,200. It will also add to the over 630 Boyd families that I have collected so far and make it much easier to make connections. During my recent trip to Britain, I have found over five hundred of new Boyd families. (i) In the paper you gave me on Larry Boyd's family from John Thomas Boyd, page 1, it says:- "John Thomas [12] Boyd (Adam [11], Adam [10], Adam [9], Andrew [8], Thomas [7], Robert Somerville [6], Robert [5], Alexander [4], Robert [3]; Thomas [2], Thomas [1] ..." (ii) If I understand this linkage in point (i) it should be these Boyd form the central stem of the family - in the reverse order:- G1 Sir Thomas Boyd, fourth Feudal Baron of Kilmarnock, b / /136x (Kilmarnock), d 7/7/1432 ( ), bu Kilmarnock, m / /141x (church, town, county, etc), Joanna Montgomery, said to be daughter of Sir John Montogomery of Ardrossan by his 2nd wife Margaret Maxwell who was dau of Robert Maxwell of Caerlaverock, b / /139x (Ardrossan), d / /14xx ( ), bu Kilmarnock, and had issue:- H1 Sir Thomas Boyd, fifth Feudal Baron of Kilmarnock, b / /140x ( ), k 9/7/1439 (Craignaught Hill, Renfrewshire), bu , m / /142x (church, town, county, etc), Lady Isobel ????, dau of and (nee ) ????, b / /141x ( ), d / /14xx ( ), bu , and had issue:- I1 Robert Boyd, first Lord Boyd, created before 18 July 1454, b / /143x ( ), d 148x (Alnwick, Northumberland), thought to have died in exile after Easter 1480-81 and before 14 October 1482, when the title and estates were restored to his grandson, bu , England?, m / /144x (church, town, county, etc), Mariota (or Janet), daughter of Sir John Maxwell of Calderwood, b / /143x ( ), d died after 25 June 1472, apparently early in 1473, ( ), bu and had issue:- J3 Alexander Boyd, b / /144x, d / /15xx ( ), died after 1508, the date of his death has not been ascertained, bu , mc / /1505, Janet Colville, sister of Sir William and daughter of Sir Robert Colville of Ochiltree, had a dispensation for the marriage already contracted between them and legitimising the children already born, 23 November 1505 (they were related within the third and third and fourth and fourth degrees of consanguinty) and had issue:- of whom presently K1 Robert Boyd, fourth Lord Boyd (title restored in 1536 by King James V), b before 1518, d between 29 July 1557 and 10 May 1558, m before 1518, Lady Helen Somerville, daughter of Sir John Somerville of Cambusnethan, m secondly before December 1542, Elizabeth Napier, widow of Humphrey Colquhoun of Luss and m thirdly before February 1548-49 Marion Colquhoun, daughter of Sir John Colquhoun of Luss, She survived him and was married, secondly to Captain Thomas Crawford of Jordanhill. L1 Robert Boyd, fifth Lord Boyd, bc 1517, d 3 January 1590,, bu in the Low Church of Kilmarnock, m 15xx, (contract dated 1535) his cousin-german, Lady Margaret Colquhoun, daughter and heiress of George Colquhoun, fourth of Glens, and Margaret Boyd, b 15xx, d August 1601, bu Metropolitan Church of Glasgow, and had issue:- M2 Thomas Boyd, sixth Lord Boyd, b 153x, before 1568, d June 1611 ( ), bu , m / /155x (church, town, county, etc), Lady Margaret Campbell, second daughter of Sir Matthew Campbell of Loudoun, b 15xx, d 15xx, living 1568 and had issue:- He would appear to have two other wives; m secondly 15xx, Jane Stockdale, youngest daughter of William Stockdale of Green Hamerton (living 1586) and m thirdly 15xx, Elizabeth Wallace who was living in 1622 N9 Andrew Boyd, natural son of sixth Lord Boyd, b 15xx, d 21 December 1636 aged 71 or 80, bu Dunoon, Argyllshire, m 15xx, Elizabeth Conyngham, daughter of Adam Conyngham b 15xx, d 16xx, living 1618 and had issue:- Then your first of the 3 Adam Boyd (iii) Other sources tell me that the first of these Adam Boyd's was a Captain in Munro Scottish Army of 1642 in Ireland. Last year I did find an Lt Adam Boyd in this army, but it is in one of the 32 folders that I have yet to Index, I can't say which Regiment he was with. (iv) On that first page, I am having some difficulty in following the footnotes. In the text for John Thomas Boyd, I can only see "1"'s after Scotland, PA, and Ireland but no "2" or "3". So who do I need to talk to help be understand where these footnotes "fit"? (v) I have what I currently know on Bishop Andrew Boyd's family set out in Chapter 8/411 in FILE W86588KB.doc which starts on my page 19 (A4 page size). I have their son Adam as the 6th child as O6, on page 29, but I do not have any children listed for him. (vi) You will also notice at the beginning of this family chapter I have 7 sources that provide information on this family. Under item B from History of the County of Ayr: with a Genealogical Account of the Families of Ayrshire, James Paterson, 1847, p 421, it says:- "2. Mr Adam Boyd. In 1619, he married Bessie Boyd, dau of Boyd of Portencross, and relict of Patrick Maxwell (son of John Maxwell of Auldhouse), merchant tailor, who died in 1623. He died in May 1649. No issue appeared (Wishaw, pp 119, 115)" You will not that it said that he had no issue. It also refers to him as "Mr" which I would ASSUME means that he was a Minister of religion like his elder brother Thomas. (vii) In my trip to Scotland in 2008, at the Mitchell Library in Glasgow I made some notes from a paper/booklet that was written by Alistair R. Hill, 1989, Address Law Moor, Bonnyton Moor Road, Eaglesham, Glasgow GT76 0PY "Boyd, Andrew c1566-1636, AGN 2157 (but did not write the Title of the Document). From 2008, Collections on the Life of Mr Andrew Boyd, Minister of Eaglesham and Bishop of Argyle, by Mr Robert Wodow?, Minister at Eastwood, Extended by Alister R Hill 1989." These notes I have included hear under source E, on page 21 - at the bottom - which goes onto say that Adam Boyd died in Glasgow in May 1649. [I would assume that his wife Bessie Boyd died in 1623, when he was about 24 years old. So why did he not remarry?] Other sources say that Captain Adam Boyd died in Ireland. I would assume in the fighting. viii) So this "evidence" would have me question if Bishop Andrew Boyd, as outlined in chapter 8/411, son Adam is the same person as Captain Adam Boyd who is said to be the Great Grandfather of John Thomas Boyd and Rev Adam Boyd. ix) I would certainly like to see the data that has been collected by Larry Boyd on John Thomas Boyd's ancestors. x) It seems quite unusual that John has two Christian names, when even the Head of the Clan only had the one name. xi) There are some other question about John Thomas Boyd descendants that I will have to ask at a later stage, when I compare it with the family I have outline for him in Chapter 4/208. But I notice that his son Thomas being born in County Armagh, Ireland. But you have his parents being married in 1715 at Philadelphia, PA. So is there (or was) a Armagh township in PA that these researches may have got confused with? (xii) Besides Bishop Andrew Boyd family chapter, 8/411, I also have two others that relate to Captain Adam Boyd's family. The first is on Chapter 4/208 - based on material that James T Curran sent to me about 1995 on this John Boyd and Rev Adam Boyd and the second is chapter 6/302 based on a tree structure - but with out much detail - on a second son of Capt Adam Boyd who seem to have finished up in York County, PA. I can send both of these to Larry and you if you would like them. Have you sent me your own Boyd family? I would like to make separate family Chapter for your Boyd family so it can be put this into a volume of Clan Boyd of Scotland. With you as the source of these details (or other family members). It will allow me to build onto it in the future. I would contribute that information to them, so any future researchers can contact them about it. It would help me to link future families into theirs. Clan Boyd of Scotland is a collection of Boyd families in a effort to build a pyramid of the Clan. The bases of these family chapters is to show a families origins; include the known details; sources of the information; any books/publications on the family and list known researchers or possible researchers (type of family Research Group). The third Edition of Clan Boyd of Scotland will be in linking those families that have finally made the connection to the Kilmarnock family. I think at present I only have 2 or 3 such families, so I might leave that task to someone else and just collect Boyd families. The information I would ideally like to be able to include are full names (including common name); date and place of birth, death and marriage (incl. church); place of burial; to whom married; spouses parents, children; and where they lived. This format also allows for a small history to be included on each individual. The initial draft need not have all this information and it is more important to list children and other descendants etc. The best way is to send it to me electronically as I am not the world's fastest typist. When you send that, I could then type it up and send it back to you to ensure that I have it correctly layout It is on Word processing in Word for Windows 2 so allows you to add what you like. Depending on your objective, it can be used as a research tool to record what you have done to find information about an individual; as an appendix to a family history or as I am doing just a straight genealogy and recording who were members of the Clan. My aim as said above is to build a pyramid of the Clan which will make it much easier for people to fit their family into the Clan. I think the above details for each Boyd descendant will help build the Clan Pyramid. I am currently working on Volumes 7 for County Antrim Boyd families; Volume 11 for County Down families; Volume 14 for rest of the World; Volume 15 for Scotland outside of Ayrshire Volume 16 for Ayrshire families I have filled up Volumes 1-6, 8-9 and 10 with Boyd families. Last year, I will create another 11 new Volumes for US east Coast States, so I can start to collect Boyd families from these States. I would like to get your full postal address please, so I can pass on your name to others when I think I might get an match. Are you aware of any other Boyd researchers who I might be able to include on my researcher's list as well please. The details I would like to include here are :- NAME OF RESEARCHER; ADDRESS; EARLIEST KNOWN DATE; EARLIEST KNOWN LOCATION; AND EARLIEST KNOWN NAME; The House of Boyd Society has been going since 1988. The House of Boyd society have our own:- - surname Net Group at BOYD@rootsweb.com - quarterly Newsletter called Dean Road (contact Kevin McLachlan - editor@clanboyd.org) - He is always searching for material - queries, photos or short articles - to go in future issues) - DNA Project and discussion group boyd-dna@rootsweb.com - the House of Boyd Society Website http://www.clanboyd.org - Historical Committee - family database - www.facebook.com group - for members only If you would like more details on these I can pass them along to you. You need to use the BOYD@rootsweb.com Net list to help you to find additional sources of information for your Boyd family. Both missing sections and earlier origins, etc. Posting what you know about this family and their children. Giving names, dates, locations and the spouses of the children, so that you can make links with other researchers. Hopefully these new researchers can give you additional information. It pays to advertise what you are looking for. Last year I went to the Stone Mountain Games in Atlanta, GA and was surprised to meet quite a few people from the SE of America. I understand that our Vice President, David Boyd, will be hosting the tent this year in October. I will be going to Las Vegas on 15 & 16 April 2011 for the Highland Games there and then plan to do a few weeks tour of the upper eastern mid west States like IN, OH, WVA, KY and TN. I may even have time to spend a day in lower Ontario. I have just posted to the Boyd list a very rough Tour plan to see if people can organise meeting for me in these States. On my return from the USA, I will be getting into Auckland on Thursday 12 May at 5.30 am. I plan to spend a day in Auckland so I can talk to Boyd families on Thursday night before going down to Christchurch on the Friday and home to Brisbane the following Monday. I look forward to hearing from you in the future concerning your Boyd family so it can be added to the Clan Boyd Pyramid. Kind regards ? Mike Boyd Chairman Historical Committee, HBS ? Jim Boyd 5017 Birchwood Dr. McKinney TX 75071 USA jboyd014@tx.nn.com ? Incl: W86588KB.doc ?I will copy the letter as an attachment so you both can read the footnotes for the Head of the Clan's tree [folder 10AF #6B]